New Hantavirus Case
Posted by Goofygrrrl@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 86 comments
New hantavirus case coming out of Canada.
The good news:
-it’s a cruise ship passenger
-stayed in isolation
-transported to Canada via private plane
-admitted to the hospital with mild symptoms
-partner has symptoms but thus far negative
The bad news
-this virus has an extended period of incubation of at least 42 days
-we are still seeing positives from the cruise ship and it’s gonna be awhile before we know if the plane passengers and hospital workers are testing positive
-3 out of four of the Canadian passengers from the cruise ship are currently in the hospital
-the original Canadian quarantine plan was that the passengers would isolate for 21 days, the highest risk portion of the viruses 42 day incubation period. They may reassess that plan and also it’s unclear if the isolating patient were still interacting with each other while in isolation and if so, does that reset the clock.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-update-hantavirus-update-bonnie-henry-may-16-9.7202396
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
Why would the isolation passengers have been interacting with each other during their supposed isolation? I swear to dog we are so freaking bad at this. This wasn't even something I would've thought of because I understand what isolation means.
spinningcolours@reddit
It's a 42 day incubation period. They got it weeks ago and only just tested positive. Weeks ago, they didn't know it was on board.
terikilani@reddit
I recently heard on NBC news that there was a new patient who tested positive for”mildly” positive. Isn’t positive/negative like being pregnant? You can’t be mildly pregnant!
bleepbloop1777@reddit
42 days is crazy!
Exact-Site9980@reddit
No more birdwatching in South American landfills, OK people?
Otherwise-Speed4373@reddit
I'm more concerned about the Dutch patient where the medical staff didn't wear any PPE handling urine and feces.
Perfect_Caregiver_90@reddit
The landfill exposure is being questioned.
https://www.reddit.com/r/birding/comments/1te2hb1/comment/om1raa3/
DoctorMicroDong@reddit
What if i live in a landfil in South America and accidentally hear birds? Do i just close my eyes or what?
PureLock33@reddit
North American landfills are fair game?
spinningcolours@reddit
It was probably not from the landfill, but rather, more likely from Patagonia where hantavirus is endemic.
How many tourists are currently in Patagonia?
I am not as worried about the cruise ship passengers — every little sneeze they make is now being monitored.
There are hundreds if not thousands of tourists in Patagonia right now, and they have full freedom of unmonitored travel a route world.
Pleasant-Yam6807@reddit
My daughter lived in Chile 20 years ago. She says that even then, there were signs all over Patagonia warning people about hantavirus.
whagon-wheel@reddit
Literally my only hobby
BigJSunshine@reddit
Can I recommend masturbation? Quicker, more fulfilling and less externally impactful than bird watching via South American landfill.
torquil@reddit
It doesn't have to be quicker...
TFielding38@reddit
Targeted ad I got on Facebook
zed_zen@reddit
That's funny bc I've not seen anyone demonizing them but I have seen people say they're stupid for going to Place That Is Rife With Disease-Carrying Creatures and being surprised they got Disease
cris34c@reddit
How else am I going to see the rare blue credted plaguewarbler?
simpleisideal@reddit
Doesn't matter; had tits
Digitalispurpurea2@reddit
Angry upvote
sciencesez@reddit
Not from the landfill. https://abc7.com/post/hantavirus-outbreaks-unknown-origins-addressed-medical-experts/19092361/
unknownpoltroon@reddit
Fuck you, its where the birds are.
Southern_Loquat_4450@reddit
Twitchers gotta Twitch.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
Hey does anyone know if the 2 Maryland cases are in quarantine?
StarsFaithful@reddit
Was that ever confirmed?
Fun_Description_385@reddit
"transported to Canada via private plane -admitted to the hospital with mild symptoms"
I don't believe these are good things.
They should have quarantined the ship and treated them on it.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
The biggest issue with quarantining them on the ship is that they'd all be sharing air so it would likely cause waaaaay more infections.
The quarantining facilities (when used correctly) allow them to not continue the spread and make sure they're in the best place possible if they need medical care
youcancallmeE@reddit
Why not a quarantine ship? Why spread the virus around to globe f? Have we learned nothing?!?
Goofygrrrl@reddit (OP)
While I agree I think it also brings up important issues for a global world. The choice to quarantine the ship begs the question of whether that would have been docked or not. If docked, what country takes it? Do non- docked countries have to pay for moorage costs based on the number of citizens involved? What if a country refuses to pay? If a patient decompensates and has to be evacuated, do they stay local or do they then get evacuated to their home country? Who pays for the host countries expenses if they then end up with an outbreak?
If the ship stays at sea you have same/similar questions. Who pays for, and facilitates resupplying the ship? What happens with rolling positives; I.e what happens if say on day 34 there’s a positive, does that restart the clock?
Again, these are questions to be figured out as a global community. And, as a reminder, the US withdrew from the WHO Jan 2026.
beouite@reddit
This can’t be the first time a ship has been quarantined, I would think maritime law might have some provision for it?
Pisces93@reddit
I’m very tired of shit being about money. How about humanity just locks tf in for once for the greater good? Istg humanity went straight to SHIT once money was invented.
Tigroon@reddit
Humanity has had its upsides and downsides even before money. Before money, it was ownership.
" This land, mine, this mango tree, mine. Go away, no touch. "
" Grug want mango. Grug want land. Grug kill you, den take mango and land, make Grugs. "
Money has simply streamlined the violence of ownership.
" G'day chap. I've got land, and a mango tree."
" G'day chum. I want that mango tree and land. "
" Well chap, it's not for sale. "
" Well chum, hope you have more money than me, because my Lawyers are going to really mess your day up otherwise for that mango tree and land. "
" Well gee golly chap, you've got me beat. Well, what going price are you thinking for it? "
" Going price, chum? I'll have it for practically free after all the paperwork goes through. "
The violence of taking has been replaced with the benality of taking. You'll no longer be dead once someone takes what yours, you'll just be left with no recourse. Unless it's oil. Then you'll just be dead so there is no threat of recourse.
There is no solid good fix, unless you can remove the inbaked urges of greed, envy, and anger within humans.
-no-one-important-@reddit
Trade and barter: Am I a joke to you?
All I’m saying is, we didn’t evolve by bashing each other over the head for a larger share of mangos. We used to work together in small groups for survival. Hunter gatherers or whatever. Then, this part is crazy, we developed tools and started trading what we made for what we needed among our community members. All without the threat of those members murdering you.
Now a better example would be: A group from the town over show up on your land one night looking to take your mangos and your land. Luckily, you already willingly traded some of the mangos to Grug for protection. You sleep soundly while Grug and his buddies use the force of your delicious mangos to vanquish the invaders.
qualmful@reddit
I'm really curious what happened during that hospital admission. I have a feeling either no masks or blue surgical masks.
XmasTwinFallsIdaho@reddit
I’m not super worried about this yet, but glad Canada is taking it seriously. Unfortunately…the US side isn’t going to quarantine anyone because the CDC is being run by imbeciles now. And unfortunately for the rest of the world, illnesses will travel anywhere their carriers travel. My apologies to everyone in advance.
MagicHugsforThee@reddit
I’m pretty sure they are quarantining US citizens in Nebraska? Some guy is in quarantine there and has been video blogging it.
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
The fact that they're not recommending quarantine or stay-at-home procedures for any of the US cases, and that they're essentially saying "We trust you will do the right thing," the US has a high potential of becoming a hotbed for the virus and subsequent mutations.
The only hope would be completely locking down the US from the outside until it's certain the virus won't spread far. That means total isolation of all US citizens from the rest of the world.
Which is impossible.
So if it gets worse, good luck to all.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
I'm just going to tell you right now that in the ridiculously unlikely even that officials agreed to isolate the US from the rest of the world... my fellow US citizens would try to swim to y'all if they had to. Anything to keep traveling incessantly. They'd be building their own planes and chartering hot air balloons. Scuba diving to other countries if they thought they could keep traveling.
It would be more embarrassing if it weren't so infuriating (it's both).
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
I'm also from the US, but I see what you mean.
The only way to discourage travel would likely be other nations issuing warnings. "If you fly towards us, we'll shoot you down" or "If we see you in our waters, we will shoot you."
But that presents the problem of US citizens calling their bluff. If they continue and aren't killed, then they'll keep coming.
It's a shitty situation all round.
randylush@reddit
Was this comment written by a 12 year old?
“My army man will shoot down your bad man”
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
You act like this is unthinkable.
World governments have killed for significantly less.
randylush@reddit
The premise started with Americans building their own hot air balloons so they can travel to other countries. It’s completely regarded
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
I'm not talking about hot air balloons. I'm talking about plane travel.
randylush@reddit
Oh, TIL airlines charter flights into hostile countries lol
HowManyEggs2Many@reddit
🙄
Malcolm_Morin@reddit
When you put idiots in charge of organizations dedicated to preventing outbreaks, and they remove all the safeguards and encourage people to be careless, don't be surprised when people start dying.
Ineedzthetube@reddit
I thought the Americans flew back on a State Department jet and were all quarantined in Nebraska, except for those currently being cared for in a hospital.
XmasTwinFallsIdaho@reddit
And yes…I guess I was being dramatic when I said they won’t quarantine anyone. They will. But it will be at will.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
At will is not quarantining. But you know any US citizens who are "forced" to "isolate" voluntarily will be telling everyone they were in cages for the next decade 🙄😒
XmasTwinFallsIdaho@reddit
Unfortunately I do know.
XmasTwinFallsIdaho@reddit
Some are, some aren’t, and it isn’t required but recommended.
skeletoooonnn@reddit
I googled “hantavirus” yesterday and the first result was about how our infectious disease policy doctor is a penis implant surgeon
Goofygrrrl@reddit (OP)
I also agree that I haven’t been that worried about it. I think the cruise ship aspect of it really facilitated flow. However given the unknowns with this virus, I’m also keeping an eye on it
simpleisideal@reddit
Same can be said for previous administrations.
https://www.thegauntlet.news/p/how-the-press-manufactured-consent
CDC = Center for Dictation of Capital
adamfowl@reddit
Are they ever repercussions for the people who start these things? Like a bunch a rich folks went to SA to birdwatch and potentially started a pandemic. That’s very clearly their fault sooo why do we not hold them responsible? People should be accountable for their actions, especially unnecessarily risky actions which endanger humanity as a whole.
Early-Series-2055@reddit
Ebola outbreak with no USAID in place is more, possibly horrific.
LockJaw987@reddit
The three ship passengers are in hospitals not due to symptoms, but as a form of quarantine. The positive case has very mild symptoms.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
A hospital is a terrible place to quarantine people unless it's specifically set up for that (negative air pressure, etc.)
Traditional-Emu-6344@reddit
As an RN who worked in Infectious Disease I can confirm that.
We had 2 negative air pressure rooms that we tried to fill last in case we needed them. More than once or twice we had a rule out TB patient and would have to move someone out of one of those rooms to move the other patient in.
Then there was the night we ran out of isolation gowns. On an infectious disease flood with multiple patients with c-diff.
burnerburnerg@reddit
Mild for now. Cases have shown the potential to deteriorate rapidly.
qualmful@reddit
I'm pretty sure for at least one person they had two phases, seemed to recover from the mild symptoms and then it came back worse.
gordojet@reddit
It’s OK y’all we’re gonna flatten the curve. Bonnie Henry’s got this time to revive that CANPASS app.
Hey-buuuddy@reddit
JFC why did they let everyone off the boat.
Wytch78@reddit
The contagion curiosity Reddit has good info on patients and timetables of infection.
I am NOT teaching/working in the public if we have another pandemic. I’M NOT.
I’m in Florida and although we didn’t finish the school year spring of 2020, we were in person that fall. I’ve had Covid at least three times. NOT DOING IT Y’ALL
spinningcolours@reddit
r/ContagionCuriosity
Goofygrrrl@reddit (OP)
Yes. Contagion curiosity has been wonderful. They are really helping cut through the noise and just deliver facts
techtornado@reddit
Source on a 42-day incubation?
No virus would ever want to wait that long as their only goal in life is to replicate as fast as possible, without mercy or quarter.
jbjhill@reddit
TB has entered the chat.
ak4338@reddit
TB is a bacterial infection.
jbjhill@reddit
I stand corrected. Thanks for the reminder
maeryclarity@reddit
I read an NIH article on the virus a few days ago that said that this was the case. It's not super well documented (the human to human varient) yet but the evidence suggests that it can be contracted from an asptomatic carrier anywhere for four days to eight weeks prior to showing symptoms and that although close contact is more risky that cases had been documented where the only conctact was passing in a hallway.
There's two good things about it:
One is that it doesn't seem to persist in an environment very well which is good. As bad as airborn contact is that's a lot easier to avoid than contaminated surfaces.
The second and this is brutal but there's not a lot that can be done for someone who is infected regarding their chances of survival. It kills by affecting the function of cardiac muscles so there's really no support to be given the way that COVID was, where things like ventilators and hospital care made huge differences.
This one will be more like stay home, good luck, bring out your dead.
IF we were to have a global or large regional outbreak.
And all the vaccine deniers can relax, Hantavirus is not novel like COVID and there's no effective vaccine so just try not to catch it.
The mortality is pretty feriocious and does not care if you are in good health or bad when you contract it. Just whether or not it stops your heart muscles.
Final good news I guess is probably not a horrifically awful disease to die of.
Oh and other animals can't catch it so hooray on that I suppose.
attilathehunn@reddit
HIV takes ~10 years to become AIDS symptoms
FlyOne6324@reddit
I thought certain virus could remain dormant for literal years, like rabies, no?
NoTerm3078@reddit
The source is the article the OP linked at the bottom of his post.
attilathehunn@reddit
Remember people, this hantavirus strain is airborne. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
That means you need to wear a N95/FFP3 respirator mask to not get it.
Watch this 1min video for how airborne transmission works and how to protect from it https://youtu.be/kX9t8jQ9-fM Made for covid but works for any airborne virus
FuzzyJuggernaut7455@reddit
A 6 years old article. Okay. Gotcha.
The wording of "That means you need to wear a N95/FFP3 respirator mask to not get it." is a bit much though mate.
Arguably, in certain settings, possibly.
But context please people.
I can go to the shops without my mask buddy.
charmingchangeling@reddit
It's literally the same strain. It doesn't evolve rapidly, it's also the same lineage as identified in 1996 that was the first confirmed human-human hantavirus event, and again in 2018 when airborne transmission was confirmed. Hantavirus does transmit via the air and does not require prolonged close contact. There has also been a lot of research in recent years that many respiratory pathogens that were thought to spread via close contact (i.e. coughing, sneezing) and surface transmission actually do transmit via the air. So yes, actually, an N95 /FFP3 is the correct precaution if hantavirus spreads.
This article is very comprehensive: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2026/05/16/ukmk-m16.html
Also, the covid pandemic is ongoing, and is still a consequential pathogen. Long covid cases continue to pile up. You can check the WHO for information.
FuzzyJuggernaut7455@reddit
1996 2018
If it had such a viable community airborne spread potential... we wouldn't be debating this right now.
Yes, transmissible airborne, correct.. but in context please dude. Close and prolonged proximity.
Not like covid, flu etc.
FuzzyJuggernaut7455@reddit
Would be interested to read actual words of why my comment was downvoted.
My tone, or do people really think we need to start wearing masks out and about again?
Don't get me wrong, I'm visiting a big city right now and have PPE in my bag and awareness, but the umbridge I took was the sentiment of 'we need to wear masks to not get it'.
Yeah, I need to wear a condom to mitigate conception, but only in certain and very specific situations.
Less hyperbole and more context peeps.
Front-Ro@reddit
And now a death in Colorado, completely unrelated.
MsCalendarsPlayaArt@reddit
To be clear for anyone reading, the hantavirus death in Colorado is from the Sin Nombe strain and really is completely unrelated. Colorado has had the Sin Nombre strain for long enough that it's endemic.
Silly_Lecture8917@reddit
This makes me want to play that plague inc game again to see just how badly things can go.
Silly_Lecture8917@reddit
Yeah just redownloaded it and played a round. We’re screwed.
GrinsNGiggles@reddit
Madagascar's going to be okay, though. Ports are probably already closed!
Pando5280@reddit
Cruise ships are basically just floating petri dishes and infectious disease nexus points with 3-7 day incubation periods before offloading a couple hundred potential patient zeros to scatter and spread whatever bug or disease happened to be on board that trip.
BigJSunshine@reddit
Thank you for sharing. I am immunocompromised, in California, and my husband had to travel via air in 2 weeks. Like most people he’s had covid fatigue for a couple years. I bought him N95 masks for his trip, but will have no way of knowing if he wears them.
I thought covid would be my only concern, and have my updated vaccinations, but this is something I personally cannot plan for. Every bit of information I get is critical to my health, and so I appreciate the intel.
Expensive-Swing-2601@reddit