Expats in Germany: if you could warn yourself before moving to Germany, what would you say?
Posted by Accomplished_Art5880@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 53 comments
And what surprised you the most after arriving?
monchers@reddit
Best to not care about making change at work. Work culture is the least productive work culture you can imagine and your sanity is best kept by adapting and abusing the rules. Good luck if you need to manage them.
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
I feel this in my bones.
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
You haven’t seen cutthroat office politics until you’ve lived in Germany.
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Worse than somewhere else?
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
Definitely worse than the US.
Tinselfiend@reddit
Since i've seen and known Polizei for being very polite, I had never any problem with them. But then again, I ride motorcycles.
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
I said office politics. Not the police (polizei).
Tinselfiend@reddit
I'm Dutch, we're on par with the German government, so any official is similar in approach. Just be thorrough and come clean.
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
Office politics. As in I am working a corporate job and my coworkers are viciously competing with each other instead of working together towards a common goal.
There are no “officials” involved.
adafew@reddit
What do you mean? Why you say that politics at work is worse than other places like US?
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
I’ve seen some nasty politics in various corporate jobs but never close to the level I saw in Germany and which my German coworkers and other Germans I knew found normal. In the US you might see a lot of infighting but when it reaches the point it’s destructive to the company it generally gets squashed. In Germany that wasn’t even a factor. People would basically just go “I’m going to take so and so down” and then go off and do it and there were no repercussions. If a project tanked completely, if the customers didn’t get their deliverables, if the company lost money (shrug) well Person A won and Person B lost and that’s how it goes. You can imagine how destructive that gets when Person A and Person B are higher level managers and Person A destroys Person B’s entire department causing all their projects to implode and leaving a pile of employees in the rubble.
Germany has a very generous PTO culture. The company I worked for in Germany offered 6 weeks paid vacation and 6 weeks sick leave per year and my understanding is that was not uncommon. There were people I worked with who had not taken any time off for years because if you went on vacation you could return to find someone had stolen your projects, your credit, even dismantled your department while you were gone. I’ve worked places in the US where the employees were actively hostile but I’ve never worked anywhere that people were regularly afraid to take time off for fear of what their coworkers would do while they were gone.
It was a hell of an experience. I have no interest in doing it again.
I clearly have not worked every job in every country so this is based (obviously) on my experience and that of my partner as our discussions with the people we worked with and other Germans and expats we knew.
hey_hey_hey_nike@reddit
“BuT EuRoPe ReSpEcTs WoRk LiFe BaLanCe, PeOpLe DoNt LivE tO wOrK aNd bY LaW HaVe tO tAkE LoTs of VaCaTiOn!1!1!1”
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
Tbf you have the vacation available to you in Germany which you definitely don’t in the US. People chose not to take it. If you’re not that ambitious you can just take your vacation. I definitely did.
You can also leave work to go to a doctors appointment or attend to other business that couldn’t be done outside of work hours - which was a surprising amount because Germany. And people actually took their lunches instead of working through them.
The laws supported better work life balance. The work culture didn’t.
old_Spivey@reddit
I have noticed that Germans abroad (primarily on vacation) often sit and talk to each other about everyone around them. As if they are doing a voiceover while watching film footage. Surely, they aren't naive enough to think we can't understand them?
Emergency_Rooster664@reddit
If it’s Frankfurt just say no.
Bobzeub@reddit
Germans have no banter
oils-and-opioids@reddit
I'd tell my dumbass to stay the fuck home.
snbdmliss@reddit
"How ok are you with being alone all the time? This is what it will be, all the time."
Mysterious-Pie-5@reddit
I thought I was a homebody and kept to myself. I think anyone from a very social culture can tell themselves they're independent and okay with solitude because they're comparing themselves with the social butterflies of their home country. But you do not know what being alone is like and how much you will miss social interaction and pleasantries with strangers until you move to a German culture.
Original-Measurement@reddit
I'm confused. I visited Munich a few years ago for 4 days and in that time I had 3 long-ish conversations with strangers and exchanged numerous smaller pleasantries. I don't speak German. To be fair, they mostly happened at beer gardens and beer halls where you have to share tables, but anyone can go to those.
I'm just trying to figure out if my experience is abnormal or if other people's requirements for social interaction are just higher than mine? Like, I've been to dozens of countries and I would've rated Germany in the middle on the "social interactions with strangers" scale. It's not the US (who are the most extroverted people IMO), but it's not exactly Japan either.
Mysterious-Pie-5@reddit
Oh if I go and act like a tourist in a beer garden in a tourist spot of a metropolitan city I could probably find friendly people willing to chat if they've been drinking.
I'm talking about living here long-term. Every day life not in a tourist spot in a beer garden.
And 4 days of tourism there's not even a moment to feel lonely no matter where you are.
I don't think I felt the true solitude of my life here until at least 6 months after moving. It's a different kind of alone. A kind of alone you didn't know existed.
Original-Measurement@reddit
I understand if you're talking about making friends and having difficulty breaking into established social circles. That's definitely not something that tourists would need or consider.
I just don't understand the need for lots of interactions with strangers I guess. I don't talk to strangers most of the time in my life in my current country - I'm busy with work and family and friends. If you had friends, would you still feel the need for stranger interactions?
Mysterious-Pie-5@reddit
I have lots of friends and am content. I've created a very nice life for myself here. "Stranger interaction" it's okay, you don't get it. You don't live here. 4 days at a beer garden in Munich didn't give you any insight.
Big-Entertainer2074@reddit
I lived in Germany for 2 years and I wish I had taken my German lessons more seriously. If I had known more German and been sufficient at speaking then my experience would have been much different. I couldn’t connect with many people and I felt like I had lost so much joy by living there.
smellycat94@reddit
Get ready to experience some of the rudest people you’ve ever met. Not all, but a lot. Also people don’t mind their own business here so be prepared to be bashed when you make a mistake or do something wrong in public.
Odd_Foundation_5393@reddit
Don't move there
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Where would you want move if you can choose again?
Odd_Foundation_5393@reddit
Denmark
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Good choice, except the winter…
Neverland__@reddit
Winter is mild af it’s completely surrounded by water which regulates the temperature. Doesn’t get very cold
Rabkaohalla@reddit
Most racist country in Europe!
amircruz@reddit
Still a calm place and fairly clean, but economy is doing wrong so as its politics, and the people's behavior overall (non stop pissed off faces).
You see more a--e on public places, mocking, telling you trash and profiling. Plus, good luck with creating or building a real trustful and sustainable friendship-social circle, which can impact in my specific case, meeting women.
Slim to none, which is hard and sad at the same time. Intelligent people, are leaving this country or want to leave.
All the best to you, nice food, nice beer, beautiful country and ladies, with lots of castles and green everywhere c:
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Glad I am not alone to have this feeling… I feel the politicians are so far away from reality and just don’t want to wake up
amircruz@reddit
Basically this OP, not alone, and this feeling is across all population in this world. Do you research well before coming, learn the language properly, otherwise this can end up being a true "scam" of what you think now. Not scaring you, have the experience and your own opinion too, but this is how it was for me and it is replicated with many expats here too.
ElSuroGato247@reddit
Many EU countries have a trash economy…see Sweden, Finland, Spain…etc
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Thought Sweden is doing pretty well?
ElSuroGato247@reddit
No lol, Swedens unemployment rate is almost 10%.
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
What 😮 this is shocking
ElSuroGato247@reddit
One of the worst in the EU!
ConsiderationSad6271@reddit
For fucks sake pay ever bill when you get it. Sometimes the time you have to pay (by the time you get it) can be 3 weeks or under, and they won’t hesitate to send you to a collector who will super inflate it, or to the bailiff.
It’s not America where you’re generally safe with 1-2 notices… German firms will send a Mahnung after like a week.
Admirable_Safe_7551@reddit
The racism is worse than any discrimination Hungary throws at people. Get a schnitzel and leave.
Purple-Charge6445@reddit
As someone who lived in Germany for a couple of years and now lives in Hungary, I can tell you Hungarians on the whole are FAR more welcoming and accepting people. I'm so much happier here.
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Oh… I had experienced that mostly from teenagers and old volks
Admirable_Safe_7551@reddit
It's open for all ages. Just depends on how good your German comprehension is. The English-speaking Germans are also at it
hater4life22@reddit
It’s actually so crazy 😭
TBHICouldComplain@reddit
I remember the racism being off the charts.
Wise-Operation247@reddit
Achtung, Achtung, Achtung
hater4life22@reddit
Be prepared to be without Internet for like a month every time after you change apartments. Book all your doctors appointments immediately bc it’s gonna take months to get any.
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Oh yea, the German “efficiency” there…
edparadox@reddit
The Internet infrastructure for consumers is probably one of the worst of the whole continent.
Accomplished_Art5880@reddit (OP)
Totally agree! The “Bar Zahlung” mentality is killing me 😂
No_Accident8684@reddit
run!
gootchvootch@reddit
Learn to get your weekly shop done Monday thru Saturday or live to regret it!