Russia eases citizenship rules for residents of Moldova’s breakaway region Transnistria

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Toldasaurasrex@reddit

Let’s worry about ending that 4+ year war with your neighbor before starting a new one.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

From my point of view, the armed forces take care of this every day, for four years now.

In any case, it's one decision and one war.

Zelenskyy and Sandu are also the same bosses. As are the instigators.

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re_carn@reddit

I realize you’ve probably forgotten by now, but Putin started the war. So it’s very strange to talk about instigators.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

In my view, the West provoked and started the war. My criticism of Putin is, rather, that he acted slowly and insufficiently, especially from 2014 to 2022.

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thenwhat@reddit

Russia started the war by invading Ukraine. It's pretty I'll insane to invade Ukraine over someone else supposedly provoking you 🤣

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sofixa11@reddit

In my view, the West provoked and started the war

Go to the Kremlin's official website and search for the article "on the historical unity of the Ukrainian and russian people". Check the author, check the date, then shut the fuck up with this nonsense.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I remember this article by Putin. It largely reflects my position.

What specifically don't you like about it?

When it was written, the conflict in Donbass had already lasted 7 years.

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thenwhat@reddit

Yes, Putin has been planning to slaughter Ukrainians for years. At least you admit it.

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sofixa11@reddit

It largely reflects my position.

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know I was speaking with a mentally challenged person.

Explain to us Taras Shevchenko then. Mid-19th century poet and author, Ukrainian nationalist part of a growing movement, exiled and banned by the Tsar.

How does his existence square with your worldview? How the fuck do you explain the existence of a Ukrainian national movement and national identity in the mid 19th century, under brutal russian rule and basically complete lack of literacy, if Ukraine is not a separate ethnic group? You can't without some Olympic level mental gymnastics.

Let's go even further, explain to us the proposed Polish-Lithuanian-Ruthenian Commonwealth. Look at the territories of the Duchy of Ruthenia.

What specifically don't you like about it?

Other than it being blatantly historically inaccurate? That it doesn't work with the argument "oh no we were provoked".

When it was written, the conflict in Donbass had already lasted 7 years. Ukraine was already being prepared for slaughter.

By russians. Like the ones that shot down MH17.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I recommend you read Shevchenko's biography. It's remarkable and will answer most of your questions.

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sofixa11@reddit

Shit cop out.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

No, enlightenment.

I'd like you to understand the biographies of those you're talking about.

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sofixa11@reddit

Come on then, enlighten us. Why was Taras Shevchenko writing in the Ukranian language and part of the Ukranian nationalist movement if Ukraine isn't real?

And you haven't addressed the Ruthenians.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Read his biography. You'll find out for yourself.

Taras Grigorievich's life is too interesting and revealing to be distilled into convenient themes. It's useful to know it as a whole, from birth to death. And preferably in more detail than Wikipedia provides. Then you'll understand the causes and consequences of his behavior.

I recommend using the work "Memories of Taras Shevchenko" by Academician Igor Aleksandrovich Dzeverin. It's a meticulous scholarly work, and I found it interesting.

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sofixa11@reddit

Yeah, shit cop out is shit.

Fact of the matter is, Shevchenko was a Ukrainian. The people of Ukranian are Ukrainian. They do not belong to Russia, and do not want to be a part of Russia. Various parts of them have been fighting for that for more than a century. Putin and other mentally challenged individuals such as yourself should just fuck off and go home.

I recommend using the work "Memories of Taras Shevchenko" by Academician Igor Aleksandrovich Dzeverin. It's a meticulous scholarly work, and I found it interesting.

Google turns up nothing, so that's nice.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Shevchenko was a subject of the Russian Empire, a serf. A talented serf. His Kyiv master sent him to Warsaw for an education. From there, he returned with a clear sense of direction.

But that's not the most interesting part of his life. You need to know everything there is to judge a person. An interesting fate.

https://imwerden.de/pdf/vospominaniya_o_tarase_shevchenko_1988__ocr.pdf

Here's a copy of the book. In Russian, of course. The Ukrainian branch of the Russian people understands common Russian perfectly well.

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sofixa11@reddit

Is that why Shevchenko was writing in Ukranian and was banned and exiled by the tsarist regime over it?

And again, you haven't addressed the Ruthenians a few centuries earlier.

And you still haven't addressed the massive cognitive dissonance needed to argue that Ukraine belongs to Russia while also arguing that Russia was provoked to attack. Which is it, pick a fucking lane.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

The royal family invested enormous sums to ransom Taras Grigorievich from his Kyiv master's serfdom. The entire city of St. Petersburg raised money for this, but the royal family actually invested a significant sum in securing his release.

I'm telling you, read his biography. He's a much more complex person than you think.

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Guaire1@reddit

Historically speaking. That little russia you speak of has spent most of its history outside russian control. And mind you, i am thinking about modern history here, not just the far past, if we were to include the far past, then the idea becomes even more ridiculous.

So yeah they are more tham happy to surrender it to non russians, they did it a million times already.

Its also delusional, of any country, to wish to spend decades trying to conquer a region, when the economy and demographic situation is in such a downward spiral. In a few decades much of russia's current 130 million people wont be alive anymore. And instead of trying to prevent it or slow it down, the government put itself in such a position that it only accelerated the collapse.

Chauvinism and revanchism has only ever brought suffering to the nations which seeked it, every example in history proves this.

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asey_69@reddit

Well, do enlighten me, which parts of Ukraine belong to Russia? And why?

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Думаю с тобой можно по нашему. Малороссия. Не принадлежит России. Неотъемлимая часть России.

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asey_69@reddit

Да, можно по вашему. Вы конечно извините, но я немного неуч, по истории не шарю - какие именно границы этой "Малороссии"? Почему претензии именно на этот регион? Почему по такой же логике Великобритания не имеет право вторгнуться и захватить США или Ирландию?

А, и ещё вопрос, почему стреляют по цивильных объектах? Неужели можно жертвовать жизнями невинных "россиян"?

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cmrd_msr@reddit

по нашему. Уже неплохо, не забыл язык предков.

Примерно то, что от русских земель перешло в украинские после 1917.

Британия может попытаться, но, у нее нет ни желания ни ресурса. У России после вашего госпереворота 2014 появилось желание и всегда был ресурс.

Стреляют туда, где враг. По мирнвм зданиям целенаправленно не стреляют. Но, у ваших ППО есть эффективный РЭБ, а ваши новые ляхи доют достаточно ракет. Потому герани и даже ракеты порой падают на ваши дома.

Жаль, но, это можно исправить. Могу дать тебе несколько каналов кула можно сбрасывать фото позиций ПВО. И Россия сделает так, чтобы они больше не могли ронять вам на головы наше железо. Заинтересован?

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asey_69@reddit

Хахахаха, звучит заманчиво. Не думал податься клоуном в цирк? Тут каждый абзац смешнее другого. Общаться дальше что-то отпало желание, может увидимся на фронте в третьей мировой)

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Я не принуждаю. Надеюсь в третьей мировой будем в одном окопе, братка.

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sofixa11@reddit

A significant part of modern Ukraine is part of Russia

You're almost as delusional as your supreme leader launching an invasion with Rosgvardia goons carrying parade gear and musical instruments.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I communicate with people from there on a daily basis. People who hate Russia and actively help Russia. But, of course, you know better.

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fretnbel@reddit

So don’t complain your country is a pariah

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Where did I complain about this? I don't give a damn.

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Azzagtot@reddit

Chad

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Chromber@reddit

Are you actually shizo?

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Luke-HW@reddit

I will agree with you that Putin was a fool for stopping at Crimea in 2014. Wasted his advantage by giving Ukraine 8 years to prepare for the second offensive. The war has become unwinnable for Russia; uncontested victory would demand the complete destruction of Ukraine. Russia can’t afford the human cost of total war, its barely tolerating the current partial mobilization. Very similar to the current war in Iran, where full deployment would be political suicide for Trump’s administration.

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re_carn@reddit

In my view, the West provoked and started the war.

You can believe whatever you want (or rather, repeat whatever you’ve been told), but Russia started the war.

My criticism of Putin is, rather, that he acted slowly and insufficiently, especially from 2014 to 2022.

Would you rather the war had lasted 12 years instead of 4? Indeed: patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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thenwhat@reddit

Instigator? Russia invaded Ukraine.

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alecsgz@reddit

A 4+ year war was always the plan.. ... the people who mock the 3 day military operation are delusuional!!!

Poor Russia someone always instigates

Russia and their love for human rights

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Toldasaurasrex@reddit

It’s really convenient that everyone else is the problem, wouldn’t you say?

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cmrd_msr@reddit

The Russian army is solving Russia's problems. Let others find out who's right and who's wrong.

And the fact that the instigators are the same is a fact. The same people are arming both Moldova and Ukraine.

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kapuh@reddit

The Russian army is solving Russia's problems.

You're right there.
Unemployed and uneducated Russians are being killed off by the Russian army solving some problems in Russia.
It makes Russia look like a retarded loser but since nobody in Russia cares about anything anymore...

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Toldasaurasrex@reddit

The people who armed Ukrainian separatists and Moldovan separatists are the same too, what a weird coincidence.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Why arm Transnistria? You're completely out of the loop, American.

They're literally sitting on huge warehouses of Soviet weapons.

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Toldasaurasrex@reddit

Oh I’m sorry, I forgot to explain. Rockets and explosives go bad after about a decade, bullets can last longer when stored correctly. Silly me, I thought you would have known better.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I know that FABs from the 70s explode perfectly. This has been empirically confirmed.

Perhaps in the market world you do things that require constant updating, but the USSR had other goals in mind.

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Toldasaurasrex@reddit

Are you telling me Russia doesn’t preform maintenance on their ordinance? Because I have empirical evidence that they do, which means that the bombs case may have been made in the 70’s, but everything else may have not. We are talking about transnistria here though, I wonder how their maintenance is.

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Valensre@reddit

Yeah it's crazy that Moldova and Ukraine would want weapons, can't imagine why!

Can't imagine why Cuba would want support either, no one would ever invade them right?

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hannes3120@reddit

Putin needs to start another war if there is going to be peace in Ukraine. The country is 100% transformed to be in a war-economy. Stopping that would be extremely painful for the people in Russia so starting another war immediately is his best shot to star the country from revolting

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thenwhat@reddit

Russia is in the 5th year of its 3 day SMO in Ukraine, LOL

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Prestigious_Task7175@reddit

What are you doing here, draft dodging?

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Stix147@reddit

Transnistria only exists because of two things, free Russian gas and Moldova's energy dependence, and both of these things are going away. Russia has ceased gas flow to the region last winter and now they actually have to pay for it from Moldova, and Moldova has deepened its energy ties with Romania and is no longer dependent on the Transnistrian power plant. Combined with more and more signals such as the "leaked" reintegration plan, all of this points towards Transnistria ceasing to exist as a so-called breakaway region in the near future.

I thought Russia was against "artificial countries"? Then surely they won't protest Moldova becoming whole again, and potentially reunifying with Romania too. The sooner this happens, the better.

And PS, Maia Sandu has dual citizenship, so she's both Romanian and Moldovan.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

This directly depends on whether Transnistria will have a land border with Russia through Odessa. And judging by the documents being distributed, this option is being actively considered.

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ColeslawConsumer@reddit

Y’all can’t make decent progress in the Donbas but somehow you’re gonna blitzkrieg Odessa? I wish I had some of what you’re smoking.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

One is directly dependent on the other.

It's a war of attrition. When those deployed against the Russian Armed Forces in Donbass are killed, they'll advance wherever they're ordered and stand their ground.

Odessa is a significantly more pro-Russian region than you're accustomed to believing. I'll get involved with their underground.

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Guaire1@reddit

I have been hearing this cope for years now. If it was half true it woulf have shown itself to be so already.

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Stix147@reddit

Do you think saying "land corridor" three times in a mirror wills it into existence? Good luck crossing the Dniper River after blowing up the bridge in Kherson, and good luck maintaining it with Ukrainian medium range drones attacking up to 100km inland nowadays. The land corridor was only considered in the beginning of the war, when Russia still had a navy in the Black Sea. And I'm sure opening up a new front with another country in this war will somehow benefit Russia. Somehow.

Also, this article is about Moldovan citizens obtaining Russian citizenship, thereby making then dual citizens. Do you think these people are stateless? If so I agree, they should renounce their Moldovan citizenship and just go live in Russia if they like Russia so much.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I don't consider Transnistrian citizens to be Moldovan citizens. And yes, I am strictly against dual citizenship, even for them. Having taken Russian citizenship, they should renounce any other citizenship.

As for the border, I see it as entirely realistic. It's a matter of political will on the part of the leadership.

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TrizzyG@reddit

You sound like a real patriot! I assume we will be seeing you on the front sometime soon?

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Azzagtot@reddit

How could you, sitting in Cabada?

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TrizzyG@reddit

Nice ESL pal

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Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit

Well maybe that was less of a pipedream before the stalemate.

You're 30 years of grinding war away from controlling the Donbas. A century or two before taking Odessa?

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Two or three serious strikes. With thousands of missiles. For which Russia has missiles.

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TrizzyG@reddit

Impeccable c*pe. Your people must be profoundly idiotic if they are largely supporting a country that could have ended this war as you said years ago but instead chooses to lead hundreds of thousands of its troops to slaughter all the while everyone supports it over your utopian alternative?

Or maybe, you're just imagining nonsense lol

Sucks to suck when your country bites off far more than it could chew (even though it should have been a relatively easy meal).

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Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit

If it were that simple, why hasn't it already happened?

Putin's been trying his hardest for 4 years; what could he possibly have that he hasn't already tried?

Unless you think it's going nuclear.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

This is the question that's already being asked quite loudly of the leadership.

Unlike Western experts, I have no idea what Putin thinks when he makes decisions. But the fact is that his method of waging war is unpopular and the people want more intensive work in the cities.

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Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit

I think Occam's razor provides an obvious solution: he doesn't actually have anything up his sleeve.

The alternative is that he had something really easy to win the war and just didn't use it? To the detriment of his own reputation, to the detriment of prolonged economic sanctions, to the detriment of losses to the Russian army.

It seems extremely clear that if he can win, winning as fast as possible is preferable in every way. So that, if he has a way of expediting the war, he would certainly have used it.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

He always has the ability to accelerate the war. Russia has enough strategic missiles. Without nuclear warheads. With conventional ones.

But, so far, anything of any significance has only been used twice. And even then, with dummy missiles instead of warheads.

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Czart@reddit

So, he has this ability to end the war near instantly all this time. Yet for some reason he choses to send moskals and their colonial subjects to die in trench warfare for years?

Ahahahahahaha oh my god. Incredible. So he's either stupid, incompetent or maliciously killing off an entire generation of his own people.

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Lower_Cockroach2432@reddit

Why haven't they done it if they're capable of doing it?

There must be an extremely compelling reason to not do it, if it's genuinely otherwise so easy to do.

I can't imagine this seriously being as good an option as it seems on paper.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I have no idea. It's a fact that they can. The missiles hit Dnipropetrovsk first, then Lviv. They landed well, accurately. But with tungsten blanks instead of warheads.

Russia has plenty of warheads. Why they haven't armed them is an open question. I don't know what's going on in Putin's head.

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sofixa11@reddit

But the fact is that his method of waging war is unpopular and the people want more intensive work in the ukrainian cities.

Are you all dumb.

You know that strategic bombing of population centers doesn't work, right? And we know this since WW2 at least.

What it does is stiffen civilian resistance and morale. There are economic hits because of a needed dispersal of manufacturing of basic consumer and military goods, but if there's an army well equipped to handle that, it's Ukraine. Its main weapons of choice, drones, already use heavily dispersed manufacturing, and a lot of its heavy weaponry is supplied by partners that can't be bombed.

So what you and other shit heads like you are calling for is just to murder more Ukrainians for the sake of it. Because that won't break the stalemate on the front.

As the Ukrainians said, in some aspects, thank fuck you're all so dumb.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Destroying energy (including substations that distribute energy from nuclear power plants) and administrative buildings will turn enemy settlements into a very interesting place.

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sofixa11@reddit

Destroying energy (including substations that distribute energy from nuclear power plants)

While this is a war crime and russia loves these, russia already did this. Remember? They attacked power infrastructure and heating infrastructure. To no measurable effect in the war. Your argument is that more terrorism and war crimes will work?

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NetworkLlama@reddit

Russia couldn't make it to Odesa, couldn't take Mykolaiv, and couldn't hold Kherson. There won't be a Russian border anywhere near Moldova.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

lets see

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Yrvaa@reddit

This directly depends on whether Transnistria will have a land border with Russia through Odessa.

It will not. Even if the war ends now, Russia does not control even the remotest part of Odessa.

But hey, keep going, maybe in 40 years and another 20 million dead you'll get there.

Or maybe Putin will die and whomever follows him will be smarter and end the war.

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sofixa11@reddit

This directly depends on whether Transnistria will have a land border with Russia through Odessa. And judging by the documents being distributed, this option is being actively considered

Lukashenko showed a map with a Moldovan invasion plan in 2022. Please do tell, how is the Russian army performing to get to Moldova? Slower than a literal snail? Losing the little they gained in the last 3 years? Fucking yikes. By the way things are going it will take until 2100 for russia to gain a border with Moldova.

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somethingbrite@reddit

I am all for giving everybody that wants Russian citizenship a Russian passport.... and then deporting them to Russia.

Russia can fuck off.

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fretnbel@reddit

This is why Russia can’t have friends

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cmrd_msr@reddit

I'd say our friends are much more reliable than Ukrainian ones.

At least, when Ukraine was attacked, Ukraine's friends didn't send in troops.

When Russia was attacked, Russia's friends sent in troops and helped. So, I like Russia's position in this situation.

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fretnbel@reddit

North Korea? Iran? Cuba? You’re just trolling now.

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cmrd_msr@reddit

Do you think you're any better than a Korean?

As far as I'm concerned, one company sent to help is worth a million European worries and concerns.

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fretnbel@reddit

Our entire f16 fleet is going to Ukraine. All little things help.

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KronusTempus@reddit

All 3 of them? The words “Belgian army” are an oxymoron.

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eelsandpeels@reddit

The Belgium put up a heroic fight in ww1. They delayed Germany and gave France and the UK the chance to mobilize. Brave little Belgium.

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KronusTempus@reddit

They delayed Germany

Right…so a speedbump….

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TrizzyG@reddit

What exactly would you be expecting? The country is a fraction of the size of Germany. I know the Ukrainian War makes it a lot easier to visualize a far larger nation rolling around in the mud against its far smaller and weaker opponent for 5 years, but it's not a common situation at all.

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Chromber@reddit

Because for Russian Human life is expandable. Go make your ancestors proud. I am sure this is what they fought for.

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CurbYourThusiasm@reddit

lmao, your only friends are tinpot dictatorships that is getting taken out one by one.

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zkrooky@reddit

When Russia was attacked

Last time Russia was attacked without provocation was in 1941. Who sent troops to the USSR to help them?

If you don't count URSS as Russia, then I assume you're talking about the 1904 Japanese surprise attack, or Napoleon's 1812 invasion?

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re_carn@reddit

I'd say our friends are much more reliable than Ukrainian ones.

Russia has no friends left - only allies by necessity.

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Staticn0ise@reddit

What Russia would have two sets of nuts drug across their face?

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Chroma_primus@reddit

I belive you have switched the roles a bit in who will attack who if russia ever gets aland border with moldova.

That is also one of the reasons so many moldovans wnt to join the EU because of the protection it provides.

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esjb11@reddit

EU doesnt provide much protection. Countries wants to join due to economic benefits

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Chroma_primus@reddit

Yeah but in the future we will have to because of the at best unreliable USA.

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esjb11@reddit

EU is already overstretghing their ability and support. There is a growing resistance already. Not sure they could actually pull it of in the somewhat near future without dividing the Union too much.

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Yrvaa@reddit

Greece was not broken at all. And while it did have some economical problems, it's recovering now. Slowly, but it is. Also Greece didn't join recently. It joined in a time where the joining process was less strict. To look at the modern process, we only need to look at Montenegro's bid to join. or Croatia's, since they were the last to enter.

As for broken countries, we have Cyprus, which is broken in two and Turkey claims half. Tell me, how many times was Cyprus invaded since joining the EU? None. I admit, the two halves are not all peace and happines, but it's still doing ok.

As for the EU itself, the EU is currently building its military capabilities. The resistance is not to a unified army, it's to EU's immigration policy.

Now, regarding Moldova and Ukraine:

- Moldova has its problems with Transnistria and Gagauzia but Gagauzia is like 9 villages and Transnistria is losing power due to lack of support from Russia. That pseudo-country was held strong by influx of cash from Russia. Cash is gone.

- Ukraine won't join until war is over. But once war ends... even if Russia takes a region or two, one of the main things in the EU joining phase is respecting the borders with neighbors, so basically it renounces its claims on regions Russia owns (which, don't get me wrong, sucks) to get into the biggest economic market (which will also have a proper army by then). Other countries have renounced their claims too to do that. Romania renounced its claims on Ukraine's regions and Moldova. Bulgaria renounced its claims on (Northern) Macedonia. Finland renounced its claims on Viipuri and some islands (with Russia btw) etc.

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esjb11@reddit

First of. I dident say that greece is broken. It was in a quite poor state but not even remotely close to the examples i gave as broken countries. But the state of Greece was enough to give EU a signficiant beating. Why will those actually broken countries do then. With broken I am obviously not reffering to split but its economic state. I dident want to call it third world countries since it has a different defintion.

Cyprus is a irrreveant country. One million citizens. They get around 100 million annually, but sure had some issues in the past.

EU countries are building up their military capacity. Not EU itself.

Yes the resistance to EU is specific to a common military, and has alot of its roots in anti immegration but also other factors such as subsides etc as previously mentioned. Said resistance is against the path of federalisation the Union is on. Alot of criticism and hostility towards EU is that and economy aswell.

The cost of bringing Moldova and Ukraine into EU is massive. EU countries and espically their population wont accept to pay the cost. Opposition is already growing.

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Yrvaa@reddit

During the economic crisis that started in 2009, several countries (not only Greece) fell. We only talk about Greece because it was the worst to fall.

Yet all those others recovered. Was it a bad time for the EU? Sure, but it was a bad time worldwide. Regarding Moldova and Ukraine, Moldova is small too. Ukraine is not, and propping it up will require significant funding, but we are already funding their defense. Once the war ends, the same money will go into their economy.

EU countries are building up their military capacity. Not EU itself.

Partially true. With the US threatening to leave NATO and trying to bully its allies... who is left in NATO? Europe and Canada. So basically, if the US leaves NATO, we already have a "EU" army (+ Canada, Turkey and UK). If they don't, the fact that they have been unreliable in the recent years led to several discussions right not regarding an EU army.

Maybe I am being naive, but I believe that, one way or another, we will have an EU army. Either as a proper EU army, or, if the US leaves NATO, as NATO, which will become the EU defense pact (+ Canada, Turkey and UK).

The cost of bringing Moldova and Ukraine into EU is massive. EU countries and espically their population wont accept to pay the cost. Opposition is already growing.

I will be honest. Ukraine won't be joining soon. Not because it doesn't want to, but because, even if the war ends tomorrow, it still has a lot of things to deal with. Moldova... might. It's already somewhat linked with Romania and Romania has been giving out ids to Moldavian citizens like candy and they supported them (which is quite interesting considering that Romania isn't doing great economically and Moldavians don't want a union). Basically Moldova is only a bit bigger Cyprus.

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esjb11@reddit

Yes greece was the worst at the time and kind of what pushed it over the edge. Hence its used as an example. They started a snowball.

Yes we recovered. Spent significant amount of money to save them and got back on our feet. Its however still a black for the Union and at least a significant part the beginning of the resistance towards it.

Moldova is small indeed. But the issue with such states is that due to its significant corruption it leaves an open door for the rest of the EU. They become a part of the free market and become a safe heaven for money laundwring within the EU. We saw such issues already with the Baltic states, but signficiantly less sincy they were in a signficiantly better place. Still alot of info came with the Panama leaks etc.

I doubt USA will leave Nato. If they do, even less reason for EU to have a united military. Yes that could theorerically happen which is another thing. Nato isnt becoming a federal state. Its a military Alliance.

Yes Ukraine wont join. Its dident before the war and wont after. At least not in the coming decades. They need to get their shit together. Even with big EU insight, an ongoing war etc, high ups stole money from the energy sector, got the info the flee the country etc. They need to fix their system. After the war there will be alot of job to build up the country again. That will slow down the rest of the job. Not speed it up.

Moldova wont either. Their situation is bassicly the same. Just at peace. I guess the most likely scenario where they join is if they actually join Romania and hence get a backdoor in but I dont see that happening.

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KronusTempus@reddit

economic benefits

Funny way to say Germany will subsidize you.

But now with the way that Germany is that’s coming to an end.

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Yrvaa@reddit

The way the EU works is that the rich countries support the poor ones. And the poor ones rise and, at some point, they reach a level closer to the rich ones. The more countries are rich, the easier it is to support when one poor country joins.

Case in point: Poland wasn't very rich when it joined. Now they are doing amazing.

The current economic crisis is not specific to Germany. It's a situation that it touching many nations, rich and poor.

But the main point of the EU is that we support eachother. Because together we are strong. Divided we are weak. Germany, on its own, might be a bit stronger economically than it is now, but it would be weaker on the world stage. Look at the UK. And the UK still has the Commonwealth to trade with. Germany would have nobody in particular.

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esjb11@reddit

Germany and the rest of the wealthy countries.

EU cant stop subsidizing its poorer countries. The economic differences would becom too big causing to big issues with cheap unbalanced labour and export etc. Would be the doom of the Union.

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