Finally got an ebikes that matches my outfits lol
Posted by 4MadIslander@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 31 comments
I do a lot of outfit content and café hopping for Instagram/TikTok, so I’ve been using it to ride between coffee shops, parks, and little outdoor spots around home for shoots instead of driving everywhere.
I’m obsessed with the retro look. the brown seat with the black frame,also didn’t expect it to be this comfy to ride. the fat tires + suspension make city roads way less annoying, especially when i’m carrying a tote bag and camera gear around all day.
nobikeno@reddit
NOT AN E BIKE
BoringBob84@reddit
1,500 Watts, 35+ MPH.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Fast enough to go from one sidewalk to another over a short distance of road given the fact that infrastructure is designed to be hostile to light weight alternatives to preserve the profits of big oil which are directly linked to the inefficiency of heavy vehicles... Why advocate for better infrastructure which would make this choice perfectly safe with no need for stringent classification badgering? What is your point? That the way things are on account of big oil is just fine and can't be changed and we simply need to comply better? Wack
BoringBob84@reddit
Turning public opinion against safe and legal ebikes plays right into the agenda of the fossil fuel industry. It gives them the justification that they need to lobby for bans.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
... And public opinion is negative because? Some ebikes are capable? Or because the infrastructure has been systematically designed to limit alternatives to heavy vehicles... Again with refusing to just say what you mean. Are you saying this ebike doesn't look safe or legal? If so, why? Because of things inherent to it as a choice or the infrastructure available?
BoringBob84@reddit
... because non-motorized infrastructure was created to protect pedestrians and bicyclists from motorized vehicles and now that non-motorized infrastructure is being overrun with motorized vehicles like yours.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Psst. The issue with pedestrian vs equestrian goes back further than cars and has always been an issue of class warfare conducted by the elites to literally keep people downtrodden. The infrastructure was made for INEFFICIENT vehicles which are too heavy to be safe and then to promote that inefficient (and therefore profitable to big oil) infrastructure over alternative EFFICIENT choices the infrastructure for which you're allowed to use light weight vehicles was purposefully made dangerous and barely usable which is why any extra load on it bothers you. You're being kept on the edge of what's bearable and arguing to keep it as is cause we couldn't make it better things can only get worse... Sure thing pal.
BoringBob84@reddit
My argument is that pedestrians are the "downtrodden" (quite literally) from irresponsible people who ride motorcycles on non-motorized paths.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
The paths for non cars are made to be dangerous if you were to utilize them for light weight transportation so as to preserve the inefficiency of the weight required for the road due to how that drives oil profits.
What do you not get? The problem is how the paths were made to be dangerous if used this way so as to force the use of cars to feel safe. You're getting upset at the wrong people on behalf of the worst people.
BoringBob84@reddit
I am not sure what point you are making. Non-motorized users have fought hard for protected infrastructure. They will continue to fight hard to protect it from motorized vehicles.
I understand that ebikes blur the distinction, but laws have make the line clear. In the USA, Class 1 and 2 ebikes are generally considered to be bicycles. Anything faster or more powerful is dangerous on non-motorized infrastructure.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Oh my God you must be trying on purpose to ignore the nature of the problem so as to protect the profit motive on which big oil operates. Astroturfing much?
Motorization is not the problem you can simply apply motors less when around foot traffic and be safe and happy. Cope harder.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Weird way to support the propaganda big oil has been pushing to put the blame on consumer choices rather than their having lobbied to hinder better infrastructure so as to promote the inefficient means of transportation that they profit more from...
Al Gore and recycling taught us nothing, neoliberalism be like.
LoudPack3000@reddit
Geez it's got an electric motor with a bicycle frame, it's an electric bicycle how well do you think it will handle a pot hole or obstruction in the road?
CantaloupeEven6341@reddit
How so? It’s got working pedals.
SlashNreap@reddit
Well what is it then? It's not a motorcycle either.
Additional_Delay_793@reddit
Have you considered where you're going to ride that? Legally?
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Have you considered why you're harassing someone for their choice of transportation which is far safer than most cars if not for... The roads being full of cars with often one driver... The excess is in the way we let big oil shape our communities and transportation choices. Not the guy who got a bike with a comfortable seat which can go fast enough to get from one sidewalk which cuts off to another without that stint being such a significant risk given how traffic is... Not like you could be advocating safe and legal infrastructure for this guy to ride on! Just badger them for big oil!
SlashNreap@reddit
The concern is valid. You can’t just blow it off as “kissing big oil’s ass.” The issue is that some people imply these things shouldn’t exist on public roads at all, I don’t agree with that.
I firmly believe everyone should have access to cheap, affordable, and safe transportation, including personal transportation. Gatekeeping doesn't help anyone indeed but, the real issue is the rider. Just because a machine can go 35 MPH doesn't mean they can't adapt their speed to accomodate slower traffic on bike paths.
I do think these belong on cycle paths, provided the rider respects the other users around. You match the speed and flow of others. That’s basic safety.
A lot of people here say these are motorcycles. But modern motorcycles are so much more advanced in terms of engineering and safety standards. If these qualify as motorcycles, then it lowers the entire standard across the board as far as modern motorcycles safety goes. Even low powered 50cc mopeds share more motorcycle than they do bicycle build quality/safety standard.
"Where are you going to ride this legally?” is a legit question. The bigger issue is figuring out a practical solution. Banning them outright isn’t realistic. If people want these on public roads, then they need to be made safe enough to operate there, because right now, many of them aren’t.
Likewise, if they want to remain on public paths, then the users of these machines need to concede that they have another layer of responsibility to be safe given their machine's capabilities compared to analogue bicycles and such.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
So what is it? People need to choose to drive more safely or that these are made unsafe from the factory? Cause it's sounding like it's the fault of infrastructure...
SlashNreap@reddit
They're not mutually exclusive though. People can both choose to ride carefully and also the manufacturers can make these things safer across the board. Ebikes are an excellent canvas for this, specifically *because* they are not motorcycles and are not subjected to the same engineering or safety standards. Motorcycles can't choose their power mode on the fly for example. That's excellent if you want to ride on bike paths.
The infrastructure is fine as it is.
The problem I have is essentially that some people are suggesting these things don't belong on bike paths, and would be just as fine on the road as a purpose-built motorcycle. But, I mean I can bring out a gokart on the road and drive with traffic, I have four wheels, a steering wheel, gas pedals, but it still doesn't make it a car nor would it be safe to drive like a car in something that isn't one.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Fair enough, but the infrastructure is not fine. We're conditioned to need cars and most developed areas have been built to be that way since either the 50's or all the way back to equestrians vs pedestrians.
sketchysuperman@reddit
If you’ve got an around town, ride to coffee shop vibe going with TikTok… why not buy a 70s Honda/Yamaha 350cc or retro style electric bike? Seems more fitting than something with pedals.
SlashNreap@reddit
The pedals are the least of my worry, if I had one of these I definitely wouldn't take this thing the same places I ride my motorcycle honestly. It boggles my mind that some people genuinely believe that this is the same thing as a motorcycle, the build quality, the safety standards and engineering, is just not comparable.
Electrical_Tof@reddit
It's almost like we need more infrastructure for light weight vehicles which would make more options safe instead of attempting to bend over backwards to get railed by the way big oil lobbied for our infrastructure to be designed so as to preserve the profitable of excessively heavy transportation.
SlashNreap@reddit
No need to tell me about bike infrastructure, I'm European and where I live specifically, I see excellent bike infrastructure everywhere, and these machines travel on them every day and sharing the paths with cyclists also, without issue. Because most users aren't hooligans pulling wheelies.
The problem is when people take these vehicles, make generalizations, and expect them to perform just the same as other, dedicated traffic vehicles, on the road, doing the same speeds, when they are probably not designed to. There is a reason modern motorcycles have developped ABS, proper suspension, et cetera. Old motorcycles didn't have the technology but now that they do, they're mandated (in some parts of the world) in order to even be classified as motorcycles legally.
At best, then, these things are mopeds, *then* you can lower standards, but even then, modern mopeds have more motorcycle in them than bicycle, which, these things don't. I would concede if these people actually found solutions, but it doesn't even remove the problem it just moves it elsewhere.
If these things can't be on bike paths because "It's a motorcycle", then you're essentially encouraging a regression of legislation for motorcycle safety, because why should Honda, Kawasaki, Harley then conform to the same norms they do now, if these things can be motorcycles without all of the safety standards that come with being a motorycle?
Electrical_Tof@reddit
Extremely astute
SlashNreap@reddit
Appreciate it
BadgersAndJam77@reddit
"Outfit Content"?
Yuck
AlmightyThor008@reddit
I've been looking at one of these myself! Do you think you could fit 2 people on it? I really wamt something that my wife and I can ride together to get coffee on the weekends.
Beneficial-Exam-6097@reddit
Very nice! What’s your insta/tiktok?
iSellNuds4RedditGold@reddit
Looks very good, I like the basket, you can probably modify it to fit a small backpack or something to carry stuff