DOJ Orders Apple, Google to Hand Over OBDII App User Data in Emissions Probe
Posted by kstetter@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 46 comments
Posted by kstetter@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 46 comments
Baby-girl-54321@reddit
Your car used to leak oil. Now it leaks data.
kstetter@reddit (OP)
It still leaks oil, stupid German car
Darktrooper007@reddit
Older GMs leak oil, too; just had spend 4 figures replacing the rear main seal on my C5Z.
bamahoon@reddit
Just wait until the slave cylinder fails for the second time in three years.
Darktrooper007@reddit
I had the slave and the master replaced. š¤
bamahoon@reddit
Same, with OEM parts.
Ill_Marketing_2588@reddit
Didnāt know C5s had that problem, damn
Available-Goose-8331@reddit
Even my Toyota leaks some oil, but you can't blame the 26 year old valve cover gaskets
Drifty_Canadian@reddit
So do new GMs. My 2021 duramax leaks oil like a 90s Cummins.
NightwingMillenial@reddit
Since when is ā03 older?! š©
Darktrooper007@reddit
For a car, old enough to drink is Old.
Beyond that, you have Classic, Vintage, Antique, etc.
NightwingMillenial@reddit
All true, just me coming to terms with being older than a car thatās āolderā. š„²
HillarysFloppyChode@reddit
My guess is the EPA is going to punish the people who defeated emissions with them, and thatās why they want a data. To make an example out of them, previously they just fined the company, now they want to go after the individual that did it.
I donāt love the idea of handing over data like that from a SWE perspective, but from the perspective of someone whoās been rolled coal on while walking their dog, I hope they get fined out the ass and made an example of.
OmericanAutlaw@reddit
bro loves government overreach as long as it fulfills his fantasies.
HillarysFloppyChode@reddit
The Environment Protection Agency doing its job to protect the environment is hardly government overreach.
Theirs no reason, whatsoever a lifted pickup needs to be able to dump clouds of thick, black smoke from its exhaust, it has marginal performance gains and damages the engine and exhaust system in the process.
Its only real purpose is for individuals tip toeing the line between brain dead and severely mentally disabled to hurt people and animals while putting on a Vegas level advertisement of how insecure they are with their masculinity.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
I was under the impression most of the demand for work on these diesels is for a delete? which while to be clear is still magnitudes worse for the environment & I'm not endorsing it whatsoever etc does improve reliability/power/economy?
ShadyDrunks@reddit
Yes, that's why all the government diesels don't come with emissions equipment
But they'll imprison you for deleting, go figure
LordofSpheres@reddit
Plenty of them do retain all emissions equipment. Only the ones going into combat zones or expected to run on JP-8 don't, as far as I recall.
ShadyDrunks@reddit
Their trucks in DC I saw were deleted
LordofSpheres@reddit
And all the USFS diesels I've ever seen have all their factory equipment intact.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
I feel like thats fine when its a matter of national security & defense, likewise w/ ambulances etc, thats just me though, & assuming they are using the diesels sparingly (which of course isn't always the case)
if anything the solution there is that both we & the gov should follow emissions standards
4R4nd0mR3dd1t0r@reddit
Yep you can increase reliability power and economy, to the point some manufactures cheated the emissions tests for diesels and VW got the book thrown at them over it.
The emissions systems on the VW's at least are so unreliable long term that unless you are in warranty it is thousands cheaper to just delete it and not have problems anymore. My personal VW TDI had the AdBlue system replaced 4 times under the extended warranty. If Covid didn't make car prices go crazy and I got thousands more then I paid for it there is a non zero chance I would have deleted it after warranty expired just because of cost and reliability of the emission system post fix.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Yeah but that goes against your earlier comment of saying like the only reason to do this is as an advertisement on howĀ insecure they are with their masculinity theres real but still not valid reasons to dodge emissions on diesels
I feel like the EPA would be going after those folks? I imagine thats a much larger market than blowing smoke tunes, I'd wager the majority of ICE tuners arent going for flame/pop tunes either
4R4nd0mR3dd1t0r@reddit
I'm not the original person in this thread, just added my personal experience. I would definitely agree that the majority of diesel tuners probably are not the coal rolling crowd just like gasoline tuners are not just pop tuners.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Oh sorry saw the red profile & confused you both
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ShadyDrunks@reddit
Wasn't it just ruled that EPA doesn't have jurisdiction in that?
DaBanninator@reddit
Why would trump do this?
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ShadyDrunks@reddit
Uuuuh what the fuck does Apple and Google have to do with OBDII data? CarPlay and Android Auto don't run over OBDII
kstetter@reddit (OP)
They probably log it for advertisements
ShadyDrunks@reddit
But how? You get a BT/WiFi/Cable connection,
I'm guessing the answer is gonna be the headunit is getting OBDII data, if that's true, that's fucked up
mschiebold@reddit
"emissions data" = driving habits, routes, your entire daily timetable. They're gonna feed it to Palantir and no-knock anyone they don't like.
DelanoJ@reddit
Interesting how they donāt give af about emissions anymore but still want peopleās data
NetworkDeestroyer@reddit
Canāt build data centers without the ādataā what a joke
whiteraven13@reddit
They can make money off the latter
pdp10@reddit
The agency acting here is said to be the DoJ, with the only mention of the EPA being on background. Jurisdictional fight between agencies? Fishing expedition?
willpc14@reddit
Jurisdictional fights tend to be attempts to pawn the case off onto someone else. It's not like TV where everyone is fighting to investigate/prosecute the case.
pdp10@reddit
There's often a fight when there's some credit to be taken. This doesn't seem like an obvious case of that, though.
mach1alfa@reddit
thats why sideloading apps are important, no one knows who downloaded what if you arent using any "app stores"
GMUsername@reddit
Do Google and Apple have OBD data to hand over?
z0_o6@reddit
You know, there is a way to start extricating ourselves from being bled of data at every turn. Itās not as comfortable, but we do have the ability.
costafilh0@reddit
Sounds like BS.
Best case scenario they are taking the easy way to enforce the law.Ā
Worst case scenario, well...Ā
KingMario05@reddit
Yeah, this isn't about emissions. It's about data control. More reason to kick our current leaders out of office as soon as possible.
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