Should I file a NASA report?
Posted by Professional-Bit6582@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 21 comments
Today I was doing practice approaches with a student into a delta VFR. We were cleared for the approach and to switch to tower by approach. She was a little bit task saturated so I was trying to help her out and both of us forgot to contact tower. It wasn’t until we were already in the delta on a 2 mile final that I contacted tower. Overall we were cleared to land and never received a PD but I know for a fact that we got into there airspace without 2 way communication. Should I file a NASA report?
Flyguy115@reddit
If in doubt do it. It only takes a few minutes and could help you if the FAA comes asking questions
BandicootOnly4598@reddit
Yes.
Funny-Muffin313@reddit
If you land without a clearance and they ask if you saw a green light on the tower the answer is yes.
Professional-Bit6582@reddit (OP)
We got a landing clearance, only issue is we entered class delta airspace without radio contact
tehmightyengineer@reddit
Going to go against the flow here and say don't bother with a NASA report, but of course it doesn't hurt. While you violated the letter of the law you didn't violate the spirit of the law. You were in two-way communication with approach the whole time. Additionally, approach can clear you to enter the Delta and clearance for an approach at a Delta is, in my mind, clearance to enter the Delta.
But the Granby LOI (15181) clarifies that for Class C 14 CFR 91.130(c)(1) is always applicable regardless of whether you're in communication with another ATC facility, and for Class D in your case 14 CFR 91.129(c)(1) is identical. In your specific instance, you would need to know what Approach and the Class D tower had for a Letter of Agreement and what the approach controller had coordinated with the Delta tower. But you could have only got this by asking, which you didn't.
From a safety aspect, approach is supposed to coordinate with the appropriate control tower for transit authorization when providing radar traffic advisory service to an aircraft that will enter another facility’s airspace. So you did nothing unsafe, which is what the NASA reports are primarily about.
But you are correct that the responsibility in getting/verifying that clearance to enter/transit an airspace remains with you as the pilot in command. So even if approach is coordinating you need to get confirmation from approach that they've coordinated your entry or contact the tower and establish 2-way communication.
DearKick@reddit
I’m not going to bother reading the body text of this post, based on the title alone I’m going to say yes.
RCFLYER86@reddit
I would file one even if no brasher warning was given. If they do decide to press this issue it will protect you.
Professional-Bit6582@reddit (OP)
Would you let your boss know?
NationalLaw478@reddit
If you work for a jerk at north Perry then absolutely not.
TheAnonymousPilot@reddit
If you have some kind of 'team lead' instructor, I'd talk to them.
More than anything, depending on your tower, they might bring it up during one of their monthly meetings as a nitpick (assuming your airport holds them). As in "report your IPs to report before X, just so we can Y."
SRM_Thornfoot@reddit
Only if your boss asks.
It does not sound like it was a big deal to me. You were reachable by ATC the whole time, either by approach because you did not switch the frequency, or tower if you switched the frequency but had not checked in yet. If they needed to get in touch with you they could have.
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Bunslow@reddit
highly situational depending on the operation and the boss
VanDenBroeck@reddit
If anyone here doesn’t already subscribe to the ASRS Callback email, you should. It is educational and can make one think about the scenarios that others have experienced and raise awareness. This is another reason in addition to self-preservation to file a report, and that is helping others to not make the same mistakes. We all know the importance of learning from the mistakes of others, let others learn from yours.
vivalicious16@reddit
When in doubt, fill it out
VanDenBroeck@reddit
Thank you!
RCFLYER86@reddit
Possibly, if the FAA does investigate they will be the first line of contact as owner. Regardless, NASA report will still provide protection assuming they did proceed with an investigation of some sort. Realistically if you didn’t cause any issue with traffic within the class D, the controllers probably aren’t compelled to force the issue up the FAA.
TheGacAttack@reddit
Yes. I'm not sure why you wrote all that fluff after that title.
rdrcrmatt@reddit
The flowchart is…
Should I file A NASA report? Yes.
If no, and you’re asking the question, then yes.
EliteEthos@reddit
If you have to come to Reddit to ask… the answer is yes.
CluelessPilot1971@reddit
What's the downside of submitting a NASA report?
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Today I was doing practice approaches with a student into a delta VFR. We were cleared for the approach and to switch to tower by approach. She was a little bit task saturated so I was trying to help her out and both of us forgot to contact tower. It wasn’t until we were already in the delta on a 2 mile final that I contacted tower. Overall we were cleared to land and never received a PD but I know for a fact that we got into there airspace without 2 way communication. Should I file a NASA report?
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