How does the UK feel about the new annual leave scheme my company has adopted?
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KittyMilly@reddit
Sounds like it would be difficult to keep track of.
FastestHandInTheUK@reddit (OP)
This is my main concern with it. My boss is terrible at keeping track of hours and things and me and my colleagues have to routinely remind him what hours we've worked per week. Luckily the accountants will be the ones keeping track of it and I trust them more with it
KittyMilly@reddit
I’m curious what the benefits are on the company’s end, because it just sounds like more work for the accountants. Surely it’s just easier to pay for holiday days as and when they’re taken?
MeatGayzer69@reddit
Why don't you use all your annual leave normally wtf
SlowRs@reddit
Some people don’t like to “waste” it if it’s not for a trip/holiday that’s booked. Kept as a just in case and before you know it the years up.
I’ve been known to accidentally forget to take a holiday for a year.
MeatGayzer69@reddit
I book them as soon as I'm able. I have 2 weeks off coming soon. Doing absolutely nothing but resting
SlowRs@reddit
Yeh see I wouldn’t do that, would feel a waste haha
FastestHandInTheUK@reddit (OP)
I'm kind of a workaholic. I know I should use it all but I just don't
Serious-Use4585@reddit
Sounds a bit illegal
Serious-Use4585@reddit
You must take a minimum of 20days per year in the U.K. so seems like they are screwing you out of anything over that
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab@reddit
28 days
baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab@reddit
Totally legal. For zero hours contracts or irregular workers, employers can pay 12.06% extra pay to account for holiday pay.
Works out exactly the same and removes the headache of tracking someone’s average hours over the last 52 weeks of > 0 hours work.
For the worker they get guaranteed holiday pay and don’t suffer from ‘use it or lose it’. But they need to remember they don’t get paid for time off, ideally saving the 12.06% for when it’s needed.
alfienicho@reddit
Sounds exactly like working for an umbrella company and not being a permanent employee, which means you also waive your rights as a permanent employee.
May not be the case in this scenario, but thought I'd mention it.
Freedom-For-Ever@reddit
Isn't that what any salaried person has? Maybe I don't understand. But if someone is on £24000, they are normally paid £2000 each month, including a month they take holiday. But the pay is normally the same in February (28 days) or March (31 days)... Also they don't get more in a leap year.
SpectreSingh89@reddit
So, when and which day are u paid the holiday? End of the year?
FastestHandInTheUK@reddit (OP)
Literally just whenever I've worked enough hours to "earn" a day's worth of holiday hours and it gets added onto that month's pay
SpectreSingh89@reddit
So let say u work 40 hours a week. But if u spend an hour extra once a week that adds up to extra 8 hours a month. So a day off u don't get 8 hours of pay but get the holiday??
FastestHandInTheUK@reddit (OP)
For example; for say every 100 hours I work I earn around 16 hours worth of holiday (two days) they would just give me the 2 days worth of pay once I hit 100 hours worth of work. Then whenever I book holiday I won't get paid for that holiday because technically I've already been paid for it when I hit that 100 hours of work. It's quite difficult to write it out so apologies if it's more confusing than it needs to be
SpectreSingh89@reddit
I understand it but am just wondering if it is legal? It may suit you but certainly not everyone.
Proper-Throwaway-23@reddit
I can see this being especially problematic for people living on low incomes and barely making ends meet from one month to the next. It feels lazy on the part of the employer tbh.
dean012347@reddit
I’d give ACAS a call, they shouldn’t be paying in lieu of you taking statutory leave.
LJA0611@reddit
Yes I’ve had this before
It was an agency job and holiday pay was rolled up into normal pay. Probably because there was a big turnover of staff so guess simpler to pay the holiday as it was earned.
FireWhiskey5000@reddit
It sounds a bit overly complicated and designed to discourage people from taking their leave entitlement. Plus I could be wrong, but I thought you couldn’t pay people money instead of taking leave.
bluejackmovedagain@reddit
This arrangement is called rolled up holiday pay. It's only supposed to be used for "part year" jobs or jobs with very irregular hours where it isn't reasonable to expect someone to take annual leave in the usual way. It's not permitted for most jobs because anyone with a standard working pattern is entitled to proper time off.
When I worked for a residential summer camp I got rolled up holiday pay as it was a six week long job and I wasn't allowed to take annual leave during that time.
D0wnInAlbion@reddit
Sounds like a way of making wages look artificially higher.
Alert_Mine7067@reddit
There are people who could maybe take 50% of their entitlement whilst only being into the year by 20% or thereabouts, if holidays are available from April and a 2 week holiday is taken in June, as an example. It wouldn't work for everyone, even though they haven't 'earned' it by that point, if they remain employed for the remainder of the year then all of the holiday hours will be accrued eventually.
Personally, I worked for 1 or 2 employers that operated a policy like this, incidentally they were the most frugal employers I've worked for. I think it's a sign that the company is either in financial difficulty and trying to control outgoings, or they've just become frugal for other reasons, such as greed, or lack of trust, in that people have rinsed them of holiday hours and left with a deficit and not repaid it.
That said, if it works for you then make the most of it by all means, but personally I've spent 15 years with two employers who would allow the whole years allowance to be taken within a matter of weeks.
blankspacebaby12@reddit
I don’t understand this at all.
Are you salaried or on an hourly rate?
FastestHandInTheUK@reddit (OP)
Hourly rate
Mglfll@reddit
Sounds like a lot of words for “we don’t want you not working”
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