“If a loose cat runs in front of an off-lead dog, whose fault is it?”
Posted by sakurasara@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 108 comments
My husband and I have a disagreement about our greyhound and wanted outside opinions because we genuinely both think we have reasonable points.
We have a retired racing greyhound. She has prey drive, especially toward cats/squirrels, which is obviously common for greyhounds, but we’ve worked really hard on her training and recall and she’s honestly doing amazingly. In normal situations her recall is excellent.
The disagreement is about letting her off lead in a semi-enclosed pedestrian area in our neighbourhood. It’s not a dog park, more like a quiet grassy area surrounded by houses/paths. Some people in the neighbourhood let their cats roam outside.
My view is:
1) I only let her off when I’ve carefully checked the area first and can’t see any cats around.
2) I keep a very close eye on her the whole time.
3) She gets so much joy and freedom from sniffing and running off lead occasionally.
4) If people let cats roam outdoors, there is inherently some level of risk anyway (cars, other animals, dogs, etc.), even though obviously nobody wants anything bad to happen.
5) I feel like if we avoid every possible risk forever, she basically becomes a “bubble dog” who never gets to properly enjoy freedom.
My husband’s view is:
1) If we KNOW there’s one situation where recall could fail (a cat appearing suddenly), then we shouldn’t let her off lead in an area where cats could realistically exist.
2) Even if we check first, a cat could appear from under a car, behind a fence, from a garden, etc.
3) If our dog did get hold of a cat, she could genuinely kill it before we could react.
4) Because we already know she has high prey drive, taking that chance is irresponsible even if the odds are low.
For context, neither of us is careless and we both adore this dog. This isn’t a huge relationship argument or anything dramatic, we just genuinely can’t agree on where the “reasonable risk” line is.
So Reddit: whose side are you more on here?“If a loose cat runs in front of an off-lead dog, whose fault is it?”
Sir-Craven@reddit
Your fault 100%.
If it was a squirrel it would be your fault too.
Your dog has a known prey drive which means every time you let it off the lead you are gambling on your training over her instincts and previous training.
Its extremely irresponsible, bordering on negligent. If your dog got hold of someone's cat or a small dog and proceeded to shred it.. I mean if that was one of mine I'd put your dog down on the spot. And im a reasonably sane forgiving dog loving person.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
She's never had any indication, tried to or done anything like that. She's also had training. So therefore why can't i left her off lead the same way a different owner lets a Labrador off lead? They have had the same behaviours so far.
IpromithiusI@reddit
Labs don't have the inbuilt prey drive you recognise in your own animal. Your arrogance is staggering. Turn the tables, if someone had an XL Bully off lead and it slaughtered your dog, you'd be beside yourself and calling for the owner the be strung up. Just because it's a cat doesn't make it any less loved. 'it's never done it befote' is the argument all the Bully owners give when they have killed people. Your partner is right and you need a good long look in a mirror.
Littlelindsey@reddit
Two Labradors killed a pregnant sheep and ripped a lamb for her uterus.
Sir-Craven@reddit
Share the story, link and photos
mikpgod@reddit
Labs are bred and trained as retrievers. Greyhounds are bred and trained to chase and hunt.
Sir-Craven@reddit
Your words there. What made you say that?
My labrador wasn't trained to tear a rabbit apart, it was trained to gently retrieve dead birds from the bush and return them without damage. Hence the inherent genetic bite inhibition and soft mouth that thorough bred labradors have.
YouveEatenMySausage@reddit
are you crazy? or stupid? of course your husband is correct.
i am the owner of a highly reactive dog. he is muzzled and on lead at all times, we walk during times when i know for a fact there’s no, or significantly less, dogs out for a walk. reduces his stress, and mine. why do you want to put your dog in a situation of potentially killing a cat? that’s literally someone’s pet. calling it a “bubble dog” is absolutely INSANE. you are the owner and you MUST take steps to reasonably not kill or maim someone else’s bloody pet.
you are so irresponsible. listen to your husband.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
My dog is nothing like your dog (?) she's has literally never ever tried or done anything like that... If she was a Labrador no one would be assuming she's a dangerous dog, my point is that just bc she's a greyhound and her behaviour has always been perfectly peaceful, why can't she be off lead?
Also i don't know if I'm stupid...but out of the two of us I'm the owner with a dog that's perfectly responsive to my recall and is super lovely and friendly...and you don't. So looks like whatever I'm doing works better than whatever your doing with your pet...sorry
YouveEatenMySausage@reddit
i rescued my dog from an abusive situation. he isn’t the only dog i own, nor is he the only dog ive ever owned.
you do not have a friendly dog, nor is she lovely. she would kill a cat if it ran in front of her. you are immensely stupid, you want to let her off the lead unmuzzled knowing full well she could murder someone else’s pet. in what world is that lovely? my dog cannot do that because i am responsible and muzzle him, and he doesn’t go off lead.
you shouldn’t own a dog if you aren’t going to look after them properly.
ETA: he’s never bit or injured another dog or animal. he is reactive, which is why i took steps to prevent anything happening your dog has a high prey drive. take steps to prevent something disastrous happening.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
I repeat I know she wouldn't and that's why i would trust her off lead. I've also had dogs my whole life, some I would never let off lead bc of knowing they didn't have recall. My dog atm is not that case.
My husband doesn't trust her off lead bc what if... Which i understand, but if this dog can't be off lead then so do all the other dogs in the world that have never tried to do anything violently. He's never had dogs till now.
Littlelindsey@reddit
If you trusted your dog which you freely admitted has a high prey drive you wouldn’t have made this post. You know damn well your dog would kill a cat given half a chance
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
I made the post bc my husband and I couldn't agree, not because I think she would kill a cat given half a chance... otherwise I wouldn't want to let her off lead :(
Littlelindsey@reddit
She isn’t a Labrador she’s a greyhound a breed notorious for being unsafe around small animals. Incidentally two Labradors recently ripped a pregnant ewe apart and tore her lamb from her uterus
Ratsliart@reddit
Responsive until it isn't, Greyhounds have very poor recall generally and many owners never take them off the lead. You are totally crazy to compare her to a Labrador they are totally different breeds with totally different temperaments.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
Agree that they're different breeds and different temperaments. And as I said in the op edit, you'll are right and I'll keep her on lead bc of whatever could ever possible happen.
But, to this day, 90% of dogs that have charged at my dog in an aggressive way have been Labradors...funny enough. So I was under the impression that a dog's unique personality, behaviour and history would matter more than their breed. It feels unfair that different dogs breeds are allowed to be off lead bc of their breed alone. But I understand that it's what it is and it needs to be that way...
Single-Aardvark9330@reddit
If you can't reliably recall your dog then it shouldn't be off lead outside of enclosed spaces
What if he ran off out of your line of sight?
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
I repeat: she got a very good recall.
I know i can trust her, my husband doesn't.
Littlelindsey@reddit
Your husband has more sense than you
shin-chan@reddit
Well you both know her. So who should we trust?
Plastic_Length8618@reddit
Cats have the right to be outside. Muzzle your dog if you don’t trust it not to be violent.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
She has never ever been violent towards anyone and anything, that's why our question...
IpromithiusI@reddit
.. Said the XL Bully owner at his trial. It's all fine, until it isn't.
Littlelindsey@reddit
The difference between my XL Bully and the greyhound in question is that my dog is always on a lead and always muzzled in public, has third party liability insurance and I’m a fit a proper person to own exempted dogs.
I know the kind of dogs you’re thinking of. We avoid them like the plague. Unfortunately these dogs attracted the worst kind of owners who ruined the breed.
Littlelindsey@reddit
Neither has my XL Bully. You are fishing for validation that your high prey drive dog is somehow special and the exception to the normal rules of engagement. It isn’t and neither are you.
Plastic_Length8618@reddit
You must be worried about it to have posted the question.
I get that you don’t want a ‘bubble dog’ that can’t express its own nature. That’s the same reason people let their cats outside - most cats need to have a bit of freedom psychologically.
My parents have a greyhound-adjacent dog. You’ll be walking along the field margin and suddenly she’ll leap into a hedge and emerge with a pheasant in her mouth.
If you pop a muzzle on your dog in suburban areas I’m sure you’ll feel a lot more relaxed about them potentially killing someone else’s beloved pet.
DiabolicallyOrange@reddit
She's never been violent, but both you and your husband think there's a good chance of her killing a cat.
Get a properly fitted muzzle, and resolve the situation instantly. Surely it's a no brainer.
A good quality, well fitted muzzle won't stop your dog from doing all the normal doggy things on walks, but greatly decreases the risk if they do get a cat.
oscarx-ray@reddit
She is of a breed that is inclined towards that behaviour, even if she hasn't exhibited it before. Cats are allowed to roam, dogs are to be kept under control.
Hot-Credit-5624@reddit
This is the answer. As another grey owner (who has almost no prey drive) if you cannot trust your grey would kill a cat it encountered, then muzzle it.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
My thing is I can trust her, but my husband is not sure. (Our dog trainer also said that she's an extremely nice dog and she would trust her bc of her responsive training). But obviously eventho I feel like i can trust her, if my husband doesn't...then whose got the unrealistic vision?
Sir-Craven@reddit
Your dog trainer would say that hes trained her lol
Marking his own homework
Littlelindsey@reddit
You are being totally unrealistic
-FangMcFrost-@reddit
If your dog isn't on a lead and it attacks or kills someone's pet, then you are at fault.
It's not rocket science. It's common sense.
It also doesn't matter how carefully you check for cats, there will always be cats near by, especially as you take your dog for a walk in an area that's surrounded by houses. Cats can appear from anywhere at anytime, that's what makes them the amazing hunters that they are.
Your dog should also be muzzled, especially as they are a retired racing greyhound and you also know that they have a prey drive and could kill someone's cat.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
Okay people, I see I'm at fault here and I won't ever let her off lead anymore i gues...
Although I'm truly shocked about how so many dogs are off lead then, bc my dog has a very good recall and even so I'm understanding that I can't ever let her off lead...then what dog could?
But okay, I guess it's right. Better to have a dog that almost never goes off lead than a maybe-possible-but-unlikely dead cat. Not saying that ironically, I mean it!
MrMonkeyman79@reddit
Legally cats are classed as roaming pets while a dog isn't. If your off lead dog caught and killed a pet cat then you would be liable.
If your dog has a high prey drive then you have extra responsibility to keep it under control.
MountainMuffin1980@reddit
Unless the law has recently changed this is bollocks. Cats and dogs are considered property.
OP shouldn't let their dog off in this space though.
Littlelindsey@reddit
The hasn’t changed but cats are not considered the same as dogs in law. They are allowed roam. You are correct in that they are both property but they are not the same in law. For example if you run over a dog with your car you are legally obligated to stop but if you ran over a cat there is no such obligation.
The other person who commented is not talking bollocks as you so eloquently suggested
MountainMuffin1980@reddit
That's to do with their right to roam. My point is that they are still classed as property like dogs
MrMonkeyman79@reddit
I never suggested for a second that pets aren't property.
MountainMuffin1980@reddit
Legally they are classed as property, not roaming pets, is my point.
Original_Document748@reddit
If you know your dog could kill someone's else's beloved pet before you could do anything your dog should be having a muzzle on when she's out and also shouldn't be off leash
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
Any dog could kill someone's else's pet...they have the tools to do it. My dog has never tried to, but obviously she technically could do it. For more information about her: she's super obedient, friendly with dogs and humans and even some cats we have encountered while on-lead.
Our question is more bc technically you can never know...(?)
Suspicious_Flower_0@reddit
Ah, so you're the type of dog owner who pulls the shocked pikachu face when your dog attacks a human or animal.
"She's so soft she wouldn't hurt a fly! Also we're genuinely worried about her killing another animal. But not enough to control the behaviour and stopping it, just don't want to get in any legal trouble for my cat eater eating the beloved cats of others. But they're not me or my pets so fuck 'em"
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
I repeat: I'm not worried. But my husband is.
Our dog trainer also isn't worried and she's is very unlikely.
Suspicious_Flower_0@reddit
Then your husband seems to be the sensible one.
aChocolateFireGuard@reddit
Itd be your fault. Im a huge believer that dogs should have places to be allowed off lead to roam, but it still depends on the specific dog. Mine wouldnt hurt a fly, there is 0 chance of him attacking anything or anyone so i give him more freedom. If you cant trust your dog then you need to find somewhere where cats wont be, like a dog park or somewhere more secluded
Original_Document748@reddit
The posts indicates that she quite clearly isnt super obedient. Keep her on a leash and muzzle her .
Tiny_Chance5050@reddit
both are equally at fault. I wrote a big comment and deleted it but there are simply too many variables to not come to the conclusion that they could both be considered worse depending on minor circumstantial changes
not2daythankyou@reddit
Nope. Cat had the legal right to roam and a dog should be under control at all times when in public if you can’t control that dog off a lead it shouldn’t be off that lead. If you want can learn the law about this.
Tiny_Chance5050@reddit
by all means your cat that has the right to roam around killing small animals all day has the right to roam free and can boast it all the way to the grave when a dog rips its throat out
not2daythankyou@reddit
And then the dog owner is responsible.
And it’s not by all means a cat has the right to roam. It’s covered by the law to have the legal right to roam. A dog out of control and killing a cat becomes the dog owners responsibility.
Tiny_Chance5050@reddit
I think we are having different arguments. I was just answering the title question. I think that both the dog owner and the cat owner are shitty people and both responsible. You are discussing who is legally liable. In any case both the cat and the dog end up dead
OwineeniwO@reddit
Cats are outdoor animals they are always "loose". You have a chaser you can't control.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
Well, she's never chase anything that we couldn't control...so don't think I've a chaser I can't control. We're just unsure if it could ever happen, the same way that you trust your driving abilities not to have a car accident, but it could happen. So would you never drive, then? (That's my view, my husbands is the opposite)
Shrimp_Watch101@reddit
Your original question was "whose fault is it?"
If you drove your car into a pedestrian because you'd lost focus and run a red light, that would be your fault.
It would be no good telling the judge "But all activities carry a certain inherent risk, and besides, that pedestrian chose to use that crossing, so it's just as much their fault."
If you want to take the risk your dog will kill someone's pet, that's your choice. But don't go pretending you're not responsible for the consequences of your choices.
DiabolicallyOrange@reddit
Your driving metaphor sucks.
We all understand that driving is inherently dangerous. That's why you have to pass a test to do it. It's why we wear seatbelts, and why cars have airbags and crumple zones.
Obviously nobody gets into their car intending to have a crash, but if the worst does happen we're hopefully kept safe by decisions made by us and the engineers to reduce the danger we face in a crash.
You don't think she'll chase a cat, but you're pretty sure that if she does then she'll kill it. Taking no steps to reduce the risk is like you driving around without your seatbelt on because you're pretty sure you're not going to crash.
If you're not prepared to put her on a lead then at the very least muzzle her.
Don't end up being one of those people telling the owner of a dead pet that "she's never been violent before".
IrrelevantPiglet@reddit
Do you drive your car without seatbelts on?
M1kbee@reddit
My response would have to be in story form, unfortunately.
I used to have a Staffy, otherwise known as a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and he was a big softy.
Here is a picture of him snuggling with the cat.
One day we took him to Marbury Country Park. There was a fenced off section of the park where cows were being kept.
My wife and I could see that something had clicked in his brain and he had to destroy that cow. We literally had to drag him away.
kwakimaki@reddit
Dogs should be under control in public. This doesn't necessarily mean they should be kept on a lead, but if your dog has no recall at all times - then it's not under control. If your dog runs off after a cat and gets hit by a car, who's fault is that?
I get you point I really do, I used to have a greyhound of the non racing variety. He wouldn't chase things but off the lead, he was away. There's no way you can chase a dog capable of 35mph+.
Littlelindsey@reddit
The car owner can sue you for damages to their car
Short-Shopping3197@reddit
If an off the leash XL bully mauled your dog to death down the park while it was running around minding its business then I imagine you’d probably blame the owners and wonder why they didn’t least or muzzle it right?
Freedom-For-Ever@reddit
Simple compromise - use a muzzle.
SpaceTimeCapsule89@reddit
The dog will still chase the cat though and what if she runs out into the road in front of a car?
It seems best that the dog stays on a lead at all times unless in a secure empty field with permission.
ThePineappleSeahorse@reddit
This happened last week. I suspect that the owner didn’t expect her retired greyhound to kill a small dog but it still happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8jve82glmyo
I love greyhounds but they should always be muzzled and they should be kept on a leash unless in an enclosed area in order to keep them safe.
Euphoric-Wall-2576@reddit
If it was a regular dog it might be more ambiguous but I think it's on you if you've decided to bring a trained hunter into a public place. Owning a retired greyhound is a big responsibility. Do you have a garden she can be off-leash in?
Littlelindsey@reddit
If a loose cat runs in front of your off lead dog and your dog chases it, kills it, causes an accident because they ran in the road or knocked someone over. You would be liable because your dog is dangerously out of control in a public place.
If your dog kills the cat the cats owners are perfectly entitled to take you to court and the police/courts are entitled to order your dog to be muzzled, kept on lead in public and in the worst case destroyed and you would absolutely deserve it.
Keep your dog on a leash
Conman2205@reddit
It’s very simple.
Keep your dog on a lead if you cannot trust it to not be aggressive or harm a person/animal in any way. Unfortunately, this is the case for a large number of of dogs. Alternatively you can muzzle it.
And 100% of the time it will be the owners fault and not the dogs fault, for not keeping it on a lead.
If there is any chance of it being aggressive you need to control it. It’s unreasonable to take any risks, if it kills someone’s cat because you decided not to then I’m afraid that’s on you.
You should not be taking any risks whatsoever, cats are allowed to roam outside freely because they won’t actually harm anyone or anything, dogs can and do.
CactiPrincess@reddit
I’m a cat owner and mine is allowed out side in certain conditions. At my partners (no roads or close neighbours for literally miles. And on a lead/supervised somewhere.
I would be concerned that if you don’t think you can trust your dog enough to not act on the prey drive you run the risk of the dog seeing something and bolting you can’t stop it from getting hurt. This isn’t a dig at all! People who let cats out let them out with known risks! But I would be concerned your dog would get hurt/hit by a car. Lost because the recall isn’t 100%.
I often take my cat places (like the beach) and if I feel it’s quite enough I will let him off to walk with me but I am aware that’s a risk he could get spooked and run.
But also there’s long lines. I use a stretchy lead with my cat but honestly a long lines, Clipped to your belt loop. Really not that bad, dog can go pretty far but you have that little bit of control if needed!
have owned dogs in the past, would own a dog in the future. stand by dogs need 110% recall to earn the right to be off leash in places that are not secure. I also don’t think it’s fair people can let cats out without any consequences if there cat dose damage!
I also am aware I am somewhat of a hypocrite for letting him out at my partners but I wouldn’t if he had neighbours or lived near any public roads. the risk to me is so small compared to where I live in a built up area. there isn’t even public rights of way at my partners. The risk is he would get squished by a cow 😂
I have also had vet bills in excess of 9 grand and on going limitations and medical bills having my cat put back together because I was an idiot and let him out as a kitten and he was hit by a car. So my opinion was learned the hard way. he also walks like a dog on a lead. Has really good recall when out off lead. And he’s super confident so even if he ran I’m 100% sure he would go pester someone if he did get lost 😂😂😂
ChimpyChompies@reddit
Greyhounds are known for their prey drive. It's your responsibility to keep then under control at all times.
missyb@reddit
I'm genuinely scared of you as a person if you think you have reasonable points.
psychopathic_shark@reddit
So legally cats have the right to roam.
However a dog off lead would be classed as out of control it's owner and liable for criminal damage.
This would be the different if 2 dogs were off lead and ended up in a physical fight. Both parties would be liable due to the fact they are both "out of control" at the time so this would not be a classified crime.
If however a off lead dog attacked a dog that was on lead this would class as criminal damage. Due to the fact the off lead dog was not in its control of the dog at the time and is classified as a crime.
If a dog attacks a person regardless on the reason why this would classify as violence against a person.
I know it sounds harsh the label of "criminal damage" for a beloved pet however this is the term used to classify it as a crime because you would be financially liable for any injury to your own pet. This is across the board and even covers a dog attacking a sheep.
So yes legally if there is an owner of a cat, as the cat had the legal right to roam your dog should it catch, injured or kill that cat you would be liable for damages and advice around your dog.
Own-Nefariousness380@reddit
I don’t want to suffer the downvotes I’ll get either way on this, but have you tried a long line? We use it for our whippet in places he can’t be trusted. It is slightly different for us because he can’t be trusted around any animals except dogs and humans.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
Yes, we use the long line for many walks. This is discussion arose because we were in that area today and there was an off lead Labrador, and I would have like to let my dog off lead to play, but my husband disagreed.
Own-Nefariousness380@reddit
In that situation I would allow off leash time, given that there is distraction. I do usually only allow this with ours though if both of us are there to scan for any other animals. Do you have gated parks near you? We have dedicated dog parks (central London) I’ve only once seen a cat in the one near us.
Ok-Lynx-6250@reddit
Obviously, you are wrong.
Cats have a right to roam. Yes, there are risks that can't be fully controlled, but your known-to-have-a-strong-prey-drive-and-bad-recall-dog is not one of them. Keep him on a leash.
Watching him rip a cat, squirrel or small dog to pieces is going to be horrific for the owner, you and anyone nearby.
BigGrinJesus@reddit
Get your dog an ecollar. You're responsible for its behaviour and its happiness.
Dolamed@reddit
Your fault. If you do it your dog should have a muzzle on- like many other ex-racing greyhounds do. Your dog also is not safe if it unexpectedly runs off after a cat/squirrel/rabbit. When it comes to animals/pets, always err on the side of caution.
I’ve worked as a dog trainer for many years. Have heard countless stories of mishaps. You don’t want that kind of thing to happen. Take the extra effort to take your dog to an enclosed area if need be. Or if going ahead with what you want have it on a muzzle so it at least can’t kill another animal.
ResplendentBear@reddit
Your husband is right.
Point 5 is you deep in logical fallacy. You're creating a straw man that your husband is suggesting you avoid all risk forever, which he isn't.
Pennywiser25@reddit
I have a small, whizzy breed of dog. Dogs like yours always worry me, I’ve had so many incidents of the dog suddenly switching into prey drive and chasing mine, trying to grab her. Your dog should be muzzled, regardless of whether she has or hasn’t hurt an animal before, her prey drive means there is a risk she will.
Mine would kill birds and squirrels, she may be small but she’s muzzled so she can’t. You’re talking about the risk of someone’s pet, not a pigeon. Please be more responsible.
mikpgod@reddit
Pretty sure all retired greyhounds should be muzzled when out. Owner at fault.
sakurasara@reddit (OP)
Not necessarily, i don't think that's the law or true in all cases. All retired greyhounds we met are off lead and non muzzled, they get re trained. Also, our dog has never tried to attack another dog or anyone ever...unlike many other non racing dogs we have met.
Own-Nefariousness380@reddit
It’s not law in the uk, i think that is different in Aus though
Sad_Bastardo@reddit
I’m with your husband on this and I believe dogs have to always be leashed by law in parks/ playgrounds, basically public areas, free reign if your own property. As a cat owner (indoor only) but if i let my cats out i understand there would be danger to them - if i had to choose between two evils aka my cats being hit by a car and killed instantly versus being mauled by a dog, i’d pick the car. Another solution for your dog is a muzzle, that way it could run around and you wouldnt need to worry of it suddenly activating it’s prey instincts and kill a poor animal
OdBlow@reddit
If this isn’t some badly thought up story to try and provoke people, then it would be dog/the owners at fault. If you’re trying to make a point about women wearing certain clothes and “inviting” men and then wondering if it was the woman’s fault for being enticing and not the man’s for having no control, try harder.
spiderham42@reddit
I don't get you can read those opinions back to yourself and see that your husband's is so much more reasonable. If your dog is a risk, you are responsible to take every precaution. I'm not saying your dog is violent but the potential exists.
Lost-Actuary-2395@reddit
If the cat is chasing then it would be at fault.
There are well-behaved dogs that doesn't chase everything it sees, if you don't trust yours to behave like one, back on a lead.
Conscious-Cut-6007@reddit
You have a requirement to keep your dog under control. If you know your dog is likely to be out of control if off leash you should keep it on leash.
Legally think it is a grey area on attacking cats but if it was a person or livestock you would be legally liable so I would say it should apply wider in that if you have an animal that is highest risk of killing another animal id should be kept on a leash
SOASabredan@reddit
A greyhounds recall can be great however it only needs to fail once.
I took my greyhounds out on a walk in Wales, in park that was gated and allowed dogs of leads. Some sheep had gotten lose in the area and he bolted....thankfully we were able to get him back under control but if he had caught the sheep we'd still be to blame.
Slightly_underated@reddit
I have a dog who's prey drive is through the roof. She attacked a small dog once when I tried to train her off lead this was about 5 years ago and since then she has never been off lead in a public area. Only in the garden or in an enclosed field. I book one or two fields a week for her and her two doggie brothers to go wild in. They love it and it's a routine they have gotten used too. I don't think they have been harmed mentally or physically because of this. It is just how our lives are with everyone living so close to each other and more and more people owning cats and dogs I feel that I am protecting them and her. It seems to be the only responsible way forward for us.
Are you close to a beach? I can imagine a greyhound would love a sprint along a sandy beach. You won't normally find cats or squirrels on a beach.
bunnybunny690@reddit
It’s about having your dog under control.
If your dog attacks another animal then you haven’t got it under control.
If your dog doesn’t have good recall it shouldn’t be off lead in a public area. Either rent fields or use a long lead. If your dog is a risk of injuring animals a muzzle also.
skailantern@reddit
any animal or being- it’s the dog owners fault lol fault always lays with the aggressor in that situation
Few_Regret9608@reddit
Many dogs chase animals and are clueless what to do when they'll actually manage to get close enough to act, but you will never know with your dog until that happens. I have two dogs and two cats. My dogs chase other cats, and my cats avoid other dogs. We let the dogs freely and our only concern are bikes and children, or god forbid, combination of both! Cats are free roaming and quite independent. You are bit naive thinking you can "carefull check area for cats" - like no, you cannot, cats are ambush predators. Your hubby presumes your dog will kill the animal but like I said, a) might never get close enough, b) might not know what to do. One more note, cats usually avoid areas where they are in the open without clear path of escape in my experience.
Morganx27@reddit
There are plenty of dog parks and secure fields to the point where this is a non-issue, in my view. If you don't live near any, consider muzzling.
robinscotland@reddit
Cat is a wild animal and isn't controlled.
A dog is considered under control of its owner at all times.
Electronic-Fennel828@reddit
Definitely the dogs fault I’m sorry to say, therefore yours. I would definitely invest in a good quality, comfortable muzzle for her so she can be let off lead
One-Peach-1525@reddit
I'm with your husband. I once had a cat killed by 2 off lead dogs who ran into my front garden. It was horrific.
Book an enclosed field if you want her to run off lead.
FornyHucker22@reddit
all cats are loose, dog owners fault 100%
Decard_Pain@reddit
Since there is no law for cats to be on a lead but there is for dogs, it's the dogs owners fault.
Fair_Condition_1460@reddit
The human's fault. I own dogs and cats. I understand both sides of the risk line you're puzzling over. The thing about the cat is, if your dog chases, it's not just the cat at risk. The cat may lead the dog into a ditch and break a leg, onto the road, and the car kills the dog and traumatises the driver, etc etc.
Prey drive is a risk factor, so, my choice would be no off-lead. And in hindsight over my lifetime, no judgement on others, but for me, I wish I had delayed getting dogs until I had (even more) secured land than I do.
In short, are there local dog parks with private pens you can use to let your greyhound launch full pelt on safe terrain, while you enjoy a coffee? 😊
Flashy-Grass6646@reddit
In the UK, you must keep your dog under close control in public, which often means using a lead, especially near livestock, on roads, or in areas with specific Public Spaces.
EasyPiece@reddit
It's broadly accepted that cats are considered to have a 'right to roam', meaning they are perfectly within their rights to wander into neighbouring gardens and properties. While that doesn't really answer your question it does lead me to think that if your dog got hold of a cat then you would be at fault.
PastLanguage4066@reddit
Yours.
shin-chan@reddit
It would be your fault and it would be awful.
WalkerJoggerSprinter@reddit
The owners
SpaceTimeCapsule89@reddit
Your dog doesn't need to be off lead. You have a garden and as you mentioned, dog parks, to let your dog off lead.
Sorry-Programmer9826@reddit
Pretty sure blame always falls on the side making the violent attack and not the side just walking down the street
CtrlShiftAaron@reddit
The dog owners always
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