Is there still a GPU upgrade possibility in the future for 5800x3D?

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According_Spare7788@reddit

It's already kinda of not enough for me when trying to push high fps with a rtx 5080, specifically with GPU limited titles or trying to use DLSS at 1440p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf6e587xj0o

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Secret_Time5860@reddit

The same fucking question every week:

"Hey guys can you read into the future and tell me if what I am doing is good for the future?"

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Dimo145@reddit

there's a good chance that at 4k+ it won't be bottlenecking even a future 6090

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ShineReaper@reddit

It already bottlenecks a 5090 in tests, even if only slightly. It will bottleneck a hypothetical, even stronger 6090 in the future.

But if you're sticking with an old AM4 CPU (even if it is a very good one), you're a financially conscious user and will probably also not get a xx90 card, so that will be less of a problem for OP.

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PogTuber@reddit

Bottlenecks at 4K? I haven't actually looked into this specific situation but I can't find anything good on it since everyone is using 9800X3D to do GPU tests.

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ShineReaper@reddit

I once saw it in a video, I'll try to find it in my youtube history.

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PogTuber@reddit

I think hardware unboxed just did a video recently about testing CPUs at different resolutions

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ShineReaper@reddit

Do you mean this one?

https://youtu.be/_Ik-g61Q_Gc?si=pxfatAEubRX2NMUw

Without watching it and just reading the comments, I think I know what he is referring too, why CPUs are tested at 1080p for Benchmarks on lowest graphics settings.

The answer to that one is, that the GPU obviously can pump out more frames on lower settings, so it calls the CPU for the next job, e.g. rendering the next frame, way more often, thus putting the maximum amount of stress on the CPU on the lowest common resolution with lowest settings.

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Dimo145@reddit

a situation where id imagine a bottleneck would appear is in the usage of upscaling as you got a lower internal resolution

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quakefist@reddit

I mean if you are already planning on buying a 6090, probably plan to build a new system too imo. Different story if the upgrade is to a 6070.

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BrewingHeavyWeather@reddit

Do you think a new GPU will be released that will stop having backwards-compatible PCIe support?

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PogTuber@reddit

I threw a 3080 into a 4790k system replacing my 3070.

Even with a "bottleneck" from the chipset side, a better GPU is going to crunch numbers faster with more effects at higher resolutions. If it were playing 1080p in games at low settings it probably wouldn't have helped. But for most circumstances where you want higher settings at 1440p or 4k resolution, the GPU is going to make your games faster.

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justjeepin@reddit

Iunno if I’d call it a 4 year old PC with a 9070XT in it.

Anyway. Just use your shit until it doesn’t do the shit you need the shit to do. Then sell your shit and buy new shit.

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PowerfulNature3352@reddit (OP)

Well, his heart transplant didnt make Rick Cheney 40 years old again.

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tylerz33@reddit

lots of shit talking here, shit shit shit

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AnxietyPretend5215@reddit

I use a 4090 with my 5800X3D at 4K.

Works fine.

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Hawk7117@reddit

From my testing I was able to run a 5800xt on up to a 5070ti/9070xt at 1440p before I started hitting real bottlenecking. Once I got to the 5080 and 4080s I was starting to see the GPU regularly run under 100% usage in some games on ultra settings.

A 5800x3d is going to have a bit more headroom, but how much it is going to have is hard to say. I wouldn't say that CPU has a ton of runway left after the 9070xt becomes dated though.

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iothomas@reddit

Sure in 1440p maybe but if you run a 4k display you will have some room to grow the gpu before you hit the same limits.

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CanisMajoris85@reddit

why would you need a more powerful GPU for 2k... and at medium?

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PowerfulNature3352@reddit (OP)

I think Ive worded it wrong. Of course it will bottleneck in the future, we all succumb to passing of time. I mean how long of a mileage I can get from it because platform upgrade is expensive af.

For example can I slap a 6070ti on it in the future and still be good? I mean it depends on the future technology which we simply dont know but considering the longevity of 1080s, one can hope I guess.

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CanisMajoris85@reddit

I mean it depends if you play at 1440p or 4K. A 5800x3d is fine at 4K even with an RTX 5090, so probably won't be until you get to like an RTX 6090 level card that the CPU will matter at all and even then it may not be some huge issue.

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Pumciusz@reddit

I have a 9070xt and 5800x3d and I'm waiting at least 2 GPU and CPU generations, probably even more.

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Borigh@reddit

The goal is: next time you upgrade your GPU, jump to 4K. At 4K, you'll be so GPU-bound you can probably hold off on a CPU upgrade.

But if I were you, I'd try to hold off upgrading my CPU until the first generation of AM6. Then, you can do an entry AM6 system (or the Intel equivalent) before upgrading on the same platform a few years later.

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ButterscotchTop194@reddit

You'll be fine for ages, lol

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liaminwales@reddit

Look at RTX 5090 benchmarks, then compare them to a 9800X3D. https://www.techspot.com/review/3111-every-ryzen-x3d-cpu/

You can upgrade the GPU & get more FPS/Graphics, just your going to be FPS capped by your CPU speed.

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Zeduxx@reddit

This is at 1080p though, to purposely cause a CPU bottleneck. It'd be more interesting to test at 1440 (like OP uses) or 4K, to measure the difference in a more realistic gaming scenario.

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Worried_Radish3866@reddit

My 5700x3d and 4090 run awesome

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hamfinity@reddit

Depends on your monitor more than your GPU since you'll be CPU limited eventually.

If you're using 120 Hz refresh rate or lower, you should be fine. If you expect above 120 Hz, 5800x3D will start limiting you.

I'm running 240 Hz at 1440p ultra wide and upgraded my 5800x3D for the 9850x3D because the CPU bottlenecked my FPS.

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No-Actuator-6245@reddit

It really will depend on what fps you are aiming for and the specific game. The 5800X3D is still an excellent CPU, about the same as a 7600X performance wise. A large part of how long it will last is down to your expectations but as you say acceptable FPS that would be 100 fps for me. I’d guess a 5800X3D with 32GB RAM should do at least another 2 years but probably longer. Its worth keeping in mind it is a 6 year old CPU and while it has aged well in another 4 years when possibly looking for next gpu upgrade it will be 10 years old and expecting a 10 year old CPU to perform well is asking a lot.

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ShineReaper@reddit

Technically yes, since PCIe is backwards compatible, so a PCIe 5.0 ready GPU can talk with a PCIe 3.0 slot on an older motherboard like the AM4 motherboards.

That said, it depends on the usecase, if it makes sense to stick with the CPU.

I once saw a video, where a Tech YouTuber took a 5090 (that was around when it was freshly released) and meassured CPU utilization and FPS in different games with different CPUs, ranging from the newest back then, 9800X3D, over the popular 7800X3D all the way down to way older CPUs like from the Ryzen 1xxx series (I think it was a 1600 if I recall correctly).

Expectantly, the older the CPU was, the more it bottlenecked that monster of a GPU. On the 5800X3D it was like 20% or so, even the 7800X3D slightly bottlenecked the 5090 with 10% or so. He meassured the bottleneck in difference to GPU utilization to 100%, the 9800X3D didn't bottleneck the 5090 at all.

That being said, you'd only get a 5090 with way too much money on your bank account and a 4K monitor. If you stick to middle or lower class cards, the 5800X3D will still be very good for a long time. It could be, depending on how far advanced the next generation of GPUs from Nvidia and AMD will be, that the 5800X3D slightly bottlenecks the new middle class cards from these future generations, but at this point we can only speculate about that. And there are still settings options, like you can limit the FPS you want the card to create, so it also doesn't sound as many calls to the CPU, reducing the CPU workload a bit.

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