9070 XT again or RTX 5080 for a new 9800X3D gaming build?

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AdstaOCE@reddit

The 5080 is 15% faster for a lot more than 15% more money. The 5080 makes no sense, even compared to the 5070TI usually and especially the 9070XT.

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dreamsOf_freedom@reddit

Saying it makes no sense is just objectively wrong. You don't know his goals and whether a GPU makes sense for someone is subjective.

Reddit always pushes AMD over Nvidia but Nvidia makes a superior product. Rasterization value AMD is great. The 5080 provides more raw performance, superior RT, AI / upscaling, FG.

The 9070xt can't do what the 5080 can so saying it makes no sense is ridiculous. OP needs to be more clear in their wants.

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The 9070 XT can't do, what the 5080 can do, on the same level, simply because the 9070 XT is not designed to beat a 5080. It is designed to go head-to-head against a 5070 Ti and that does it very well. It may be would be beaten by a 5070 Ti Super, if Nvidia seemingly wouldn't have scrapped the Super-Release of their 50xx-cards, so that is completely speculative.

When it comes to gaming, it comes down to the resolution used and what type of games you play.

On 1440p, the 5080 would be absolutely overkill and make no sense.

On 4K but you play competitive multiplayer games? 5080 makes somewhat sense, but not best usecase, since relying on AI performance, that introduces lag in a multiplayer environment, that is suboptimal, so you'd have to rely on the native performance without AI support of the card.

On 4K and just singleplayer games, as OP describes: Go nuts with all the AI futures, in singleplayer the lag introduced through e.g. 4x Frame Generation is near completely negligible.

But if OP is just on 1440p or even lower, the 5080 would make no sense, simply because the 9070 XT is already performing very good there and the difference between very good and very good with a star is not really noticeable. Like can you see the difference between 120 FPS and 200 FPS? Not really. So why spend extra cash on a plus of performance for a 4K-ready card, when you don't use 4K?.

If OP wants to discuss "AMD vs Nvidia" and is on 1440p, then he picked the wrong Nvidia Card, then 9070 XT vs. 5070 Ti would be the appropriate comparison and that horse was so much ridden during the release of these two new GPU series, that it is already dead.

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specn0de@reddit

Wow you can still delete this lol

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ShineReaper@reddit

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Noxu2008@reddit

The 9070 XT it's much cheaper and delivers very good performance. It's perfect for 1440p, and 4K gaming. The main difference is Ray Traicing and Upscaling, but that's not something that I would wory about because the 9070 XT has enough raw performance to make up for the difference. I would only go with RTX 5080 if I work in hardcore AI and editing developing softwares.

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Vektor29A@reddit

Raw performance can't really "make up" for ray tracing. Ray tracing changes what is actually rendered on-screen. It's also not in the same league as the 5080 at 4k.

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noiserr@reddit

5080 was never worth it even if you were shopping for Nvidia cards only. It's not that much faster than the 5070ti and it's substantially more expensive. Now that 5070ti are gone up in price, 9070xt I think is the only pragmatic choice.

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specn0de@reddit

I just bought a 5080 returned it and got a 9070xt. Very very happy with my purchase

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CapnMorgan1@reddit

I went with the 5080. It's a beast and many of them oc well. It made more sense when they were $999. Just try the games you play the most. If performance sucks a 9070xt should be easy to sell. I came from a 7800xt and mh wilds and nioh 3 were punishing it. The older fsr was not very good.

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ArmaGhettOn84@reddit

A 9070xt can even beat a 5080 on Linux based distros like cachyos without RT. If you want save money and get best Performance, AMD setup with cachyos is a beast.

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

Can we play most games on linux? last time i used linux it was 15 years ago.

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noiserr@reddit

The only games that don't work on Linux are some e-sports titles which have active anti-cheat not compatible with Linux (though this is something I think that's being worked on).

But for the most part most games work just fine, and in some cases even better than on Windows.

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ArmaGhettOn84@reddit

You Can play nearly every game on cachyos, buzzite or nobara. If the game got Kernel Anti Cheat you cant

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ShineReaper@reddit

And to add to that: That is only an issue for multiplayer games, since some of them use Kernel Level Anti Cheat Features and even if the specific one is linux compatible, often the developers themselves don't implement it and only accept a Windows OS for it.

OP, you stated that you play singleplayer and Co-OP games, so I think that would be a non-issue, since in both game types there is no reason for devs to implement kernel level anti-cheat programs.

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Gudfark@reddit

Why not just take the 9070XT from the older machine, and use that, save yourself a load of money?

If you need to get a GPU for the old pc, just get something able to do the job if it's just going to be for work.

Doing this allows you a comfortable wait until the next gen GPUs from AMD & Nvidia are available.

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I have Radeon 6600 from my old machine, that what i was thinking about.

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ShineReaper@reddit

What most people mean, when they ask about your job, is if you're doing actual graphic work like video editing, designing 3D Models or stuff like that.

If yes, then get a strong video card, 5080 could do the job.

But if you're nowhere near doing that type of work with your future work-only-PC, then you transfer the 9070 XT from your current mixed PC to the future Gaming-only-PC, put the old Radeon 6600 into your work-PC and then you're good to go.

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I do 3d modelling not as the main job but make some assets for my 2d design stuff, basically i don’t do heavy rendering but i think i need minimum 16gb vram and my 6600 has 8gb vram. This is drive me a bit crazy

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ShineReaper@reddit

As I wrote under the sub string dealing with your monitors, including this information here, you probably should get the 5080.

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ShineReaper@reddit

You're comparing apples to peas. The 9070 XT is upper middleclass. 5080 is lower upper class. Like the 9070 XT will always loose in a direct benchmark against a 5080, because the latter is all around a stronger card.

What card you should choose depends on your budget and size of your monitor. If you're using a 4K monitor, it is the 5080, without question.

If you're on 1440p, the 5080 would be overkill, then the 9070 XT is the better choice simply for price. Like sure, while the 9070 XT grants you 120 FPS and the 5080 maybe 200 FPS on the 1440p resolution... can you really see and feel a difference between 120 FPS and 200 FPS? I'd argue, that this is not the case.

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I use 1440p with 34 Inch monitors

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ShineReaper@reddit

Hmm, most benchmarks probably will test e.g. 2560x1440, not 3440 × 1440, which is about about nearly 1,3 million more pixels.

For orientational purposes, check this Gaming Benchmark of the 9070 XT:

https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-gpu-review-benchmarks-vs-5070-ti-5070-7900-xt-sapphire-pulse#9070-xt-benchmarks

1920x1080 (aka "typical" 1080p) = 2.073.600 Pixels 2560x1440 (aka "typical" 1440p) = 3.686.400 Pixels 3440x1440 (your WQHD 1440p) = 4.953.600 Pixels

The First Game Benchmark, Dragons Dogma 2, lists the 9070 XT at about 145 FPS on 1080p. It is listed on about 116 FPS on 1440p, which contains about 1,5 Million more Pixels than 1080p, so a loss of 30 FPS.

So the card has to work harder on a 34" monitor compared to a regular 1440p Monitor, it would come out at up to 30 FPS lower than the typical 1440p Monitors. We also have to observe, that since that Benchmark (it is from release), driver updates brought more stability and performance to the 9070 XT, so the loss might be not that drastic. So for that Dragon's Dogma Example, it would land at around 90 FPS, maybe a little bit more.

But now comes the biggest killer: You wrote "monitors", so Plural, at least two of them I guess.

So the 9070 XT would not only need to calculate the pixels for one but for two monitors. If you play a game simultaneously on two monitors, then you'd need a stronger card to make up for it, e.g. the 5080. But even that is not a wonderchild, since on average it is only a little bit stronger than the 9070 XT, so you'd probably even need a 5090 for that usecase.

So I suggest to limit yourself for gaming to one monitor, on the other you can have a webbrowser open, that is nowhere near as demanding as rendering a game on a 2nd monitor.

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I have 34, 27ips 4k 60hz for my work and 27 1440p 165hz

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ShineReaper@reddit

If you want to use two or more monitors for gaming instead of just one, you will need the 5080 as the stronger card or even a stronger card in the form of the 5090.

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MrPolemarxosGr@reddit

Rtx 5080 ofc

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Scanoe@reddit

Unfair comparison, the 5080 is a higher tier card thus better in every way. You have the disposable income for a 5080, spend it.
5070ti <> 9070xt - Features: Dlss (a major plus), Ray/Path Tracing, Nvidia Broadcast, RTX-HDR etc... = 5070ti better choice
9070xt is only worth it if the price is cheaper.
Btw I've been running a 9800x3d with a Taichi 9070xt since March 6th, 25', had planned on buying the 5070ti back then, but if you could even find one it was a $1000+, I paid $730 for my Taichi.
No real complaints of the 9070xt, it's been a great card, well yes it's feature set is lacking, my previous card was an Asus Dual 4070, bought in May 23', I still very much miss Dlss, Nvidia broadcast and RTX-HDR. After seeing Both sides, I'd pay extra for the Nvidia Features, $200 more for the 5070ti I'd do it, $300 more, no than the 9070xt.

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JPavMain@reddit

Do you need the 9070 XT in the work PC? I would just switch it over to the gaming PC and get something that's good enough for the work you're doing (which might be whatever card you had there before).

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noodle-face@reddit

I have a 9070xt with my 98003d and it's incredibly good for everything Ive thrown at it. This was my first gen using AMD cards specifically because Nvidia fucked us all.

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vlhube71@reddit

If I had the money, I would get the 5080. I am a 9070 XT owner as well but if I were to get another card, especially if concurrent to the 9070, I’d want something different to try it out.

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PenFar9334@reddit

Mostly up to preference tbh. Both are good cards for different price points. Since both are great for gaming and you love the 9070xt already i don't see a reason why you should go 5080 maybe if you wanna try nvidia

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I’d love to try NVIDIA, but the price-to-performance ratio for raw gaming performance really makes me wonder 🤔

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WhatUnicorn@reddit

Question- what do you do for work? If it isnt gpu intensive then why not get a cheap GPU for your work station, and move the 9070 too your gaming setup?

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I do graphic design and illustration stuff

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WhatUnicorn@reddit

Oh, I see so option three is out of the question then

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PenFar9334@reddit

Fair point you're mostly paying for the encoder, cuda cores, software etc. I mean if your work requires a good GPU like video editing or 3d rendering maybe just get the 5080 for your work PC and use your old 9070xt on your new gaming rig? That's if you wanna try it out badly though if not 9070xt is your best friend

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TokageLife@reddit

This is really no different from the 9070XT vs 5070ti threads. You either care more about the upfront monetary savings and don't mind dealing with additional jank or you don't mind paying more for a better feature set. There's no wrong answer, just down to what you personally value more.

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AlkalineBrush20@reddit

If you got the money, 5080. If the price difference is not much opt for the 5070 Ti instead of the 9070 XT. Otherwise just stick with the XT if it's much cheaper.

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

5070ti is around 1000€ in my country and 5080 is 1600€ , 9070XT sapphire nitro+ is 720€

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ArmaGhettOn84@reddit

Just want to say that the nitro+ got a 12VHPWR connector! But for me its the most beautiful gpu for sure!

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I have corsair 1000x shift psu, no problem

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ArmaGhettOn84@reddit

Just want to be sure you know about melted cables, i use it since 4090 and didnt happen to me, but it still can…

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Borigh@reddit

At those prices, a 9070XT is clearly the best value. And if I needed path-tracing or something, I'd buy the 5070 Ti before the 5080 - the 5080 isn't that much better as a card.

If 600E or 900E simply isn't a lot to you, it's totally fine to buy the 5080, but I would not feel bad about getting a 9070 XT for less than half the price of a 5080.

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The_Dung_Beetle@reddit

Honestly get a cheaper GPU and put the 9070XT in the AM5 rig, if you're only gonna use the AM4 rig for work stuff I don't see the problem with this and you'll save a lot of money.

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Nicku32@reddit

MFG is worth it for the 5080. DLSS looks better than FSR too.

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sylarrrrr@reddit

I would t bother with 5080 if you have 9070xt personaly

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boomerraj@reddit

If you don’t have money problems go with 5080

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

Not easy to pay 1600€😀

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d0dger@reddit

Why not buy a mini pc for work use and repurpose your existing PC for gaming? On-board graphics should be plenty for office work.

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CalligrapherCold364@reddit

another 9070 xt makes sense if ur happy with it, the 9800x3d will remove any cpu bottleneck nd the card will shine. 5080 is significantly more expensive for gains that wont matter much at 1440p single player. save the money unless ur planning 4k or want the dlss4 feature set specifically

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tronatula3@reddit

9070 xt, the 5080 is only about 7% faster, not worth the extra money

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

I am graphic designer, illustrator my works requires a little rendering just for small png files, before I’ve done everything with RX6600

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kmkm2op@reddit

Then use that for work pc and game with 9070xt. There saved you alot of money.

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scream_pie@reddit

Do you still have your old GPU from 9 months ago? If so put that back in the work PC and move the 9070 XT to the new gaming machine. Then worry about new cards in about 3 years time.

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AlfaPro1337@reddit

But your 9800X3D is too dead, dated and unusable by AMD and PCMR standards, you should sell and get the latest GOAT gaming king cpu 9950X3D2

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SirMiloo@reddit (OP)

This cpu is too much man, 900€ i guess i don’t need this one, Btw thanks for suggestions

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Extreme996@reddit

I would buy 5080 or 5070 Ti if you want to save a bit. DLSS still is better than FSR and NVIDIA have still better ray tracing and path tracing performance. They also release their drivers more often if I am correct.

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azrehhelas@reddit

i can say that i have a 5080 paired with a R7 7800x3d and it works very well. I suppose the 5080 can be a bit costly though. But i am very happy with the result.

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Virtual_Insanity09@reddit

Go for a 5070 ti. Slightly better than a 9070xt, a little worse than a 5080, and you get all the Nvidia goodies as well :)

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Sad-Neighborhood8604@reddit

Question is if u want to pay 2x money for 15-20% performance boost

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snipsuper415@reddit

If money didn't matter rtx 5080 for sure.

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HellDr1v3r888@reddit

It's easy, you already have a 9070XT. So keep it. You even said on one of your comments about the 5080 not being grate on price-to-performance. I am a 5080 user but that's because I prefer Nvidia's technology. Makes that 5080 a 4K capable card with DLSS and FG. 9070XT not so much. But you already have that card and have said that your performance increase was incredible. The 9800X3D will give you better 1% lows, so you will still see an improvement on gaming since it will be smoother.

Maybe upgrade to the next gen cards when they come out in like 2 years time? 9070XT will be enough till then.

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PenFar9334@reddit

They have 2 rigs and are trying to decide on which GPU to get for the new one

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HellDr1v3r888@reddit

Oh! Didn't realise that's what they meant when separating work to gaming. I mean, not sure what type of work they are doing, but then I would just buy a cheap second hand card for the work rig if it doesn't need a powerful GPU?

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PenFar9334@reddit

Yep, suggested the same thing

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Lonely_Platform7702@reddit

Personally I would not pay double for a 5080.

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heyyoudvd2@reddit

15-20% performance increase for 80% more money.

It's up to you to decide whether that's worth it.

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ScottyStellar@reddit

Can you re use the 9070xt and get something cheaper for the work rig if you don't need graphics?

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ICastCats@reddit

9070XT and upgrade sooner. The real question is 5070 ti or 9070XT, but the price hike on the 5080 is rarely worth it.

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Stonwastaken@reddit

If budget allows, 5080. If looking for best bang for the buck, 9070 xt

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Green_Attitude_2989@reddit

5080 if you can afford it

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F1T_13@reddit

If you have 5080 money, get 5080. If you don't. Get 9070, not really sure what else there is to this. The 5080 is absolutely the card to have if you have the money, if not then well, the 9070XT is much cheaper with good performance as well. Not sure how much the 5070Ti is where you are.

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pumpymcpumpface@reddit

Like, the 5080 is an objectively better card in many ways. This is really about how much your willing to spend. The 5080 will give you far better performance in single player games which usually have higher graphics requirements and such. So, yeah, its really about how much you want to spend.

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Tgrove88@reddit

Depends how much you want to spend. 5080 are going for like $1300+ which is damn near twice the price of the cheapest 9070 xts

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Beneficial_Team_791@reddit

9070xt is better value, 5080 is not worth double 9070xt. You are getting diminishing returns