Do you see other UK countries as "your" country, or more like allied countries?
Posted by Educational-Slip-578@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 154 comments
I'm curious how people who were born and raised in the UK feel about the other countries within it.
For example, if you're from England, do you see Scotland, Ireland, and Wales as part of the same country and "your people", or is there a stronger sense of separation, where England feels like "your" country and the others feel more like neighboring or allied countries?
I'm interested in the personal, emotional side of it rather than the political definition.
Ashamed-Assumption12@reddit
I'm English and think of them as neighbouring countries.
Wouldn't it be the same for countries in Europe? Spain, France, Germany. They are their own countries and share borders.
thebrowncanary@reddit
It's one thing when foreigners don't understand the UK but another thing when Brits somehow get confused to.
Do you really think the relation between England and Scotland is comparable to France and Germany?
Ashamed-Assumption12@reddit
I wasn't talking about the relationship but how I view them. I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to think of them as separate countries. I must stop having my own view that doesn't impact anyone in any way.
thebrowncanary@reddit
Based of recent election results, the nutty nationalism you are espousing actually does affect a lot of us.
escapingfromelba@reddit
That makes no sense, you must know that.
Yes we use the term country for our regions, but they aren't actually independent states so our parliament can legislate across them whilst all sorts of things like taxes to driving licences to the postal service are part of one system.
Tough-Oven4317@reddit
Not unless you consider the EU a country
sockeyejo@reddit
I think more folk living in the UK need to study our fascinating history and gain a better understanding and appreciation of how we got where we are and who we all are.
We'd all be better off if that were the case.
I'm English on my father's side; my mother's maternal line traces back to Germans who went to California during the Gold Rush and stayed in Americas until my mother came to Britain in the early 70s. We moved to Wales when I was little and I've been fascinated by migration and outsiders and making new homes my whole life, especially as I've continued the nomadic lifestyle as an adult.
The original Britons were from an area near modern day Turkey IIRC and have been displaced time and time and time again. None of us have the right to say we truly belong here. We're all interlopers.
iTAMEi@reddit
The original Britons what?
sockeyejo@reddit
The very first people to settle on what is now mainland Britain but at the time was still attached to Europe by Doggerland came from an area around modern day Turkey. They were eventually displaced by more migrants, and some believe they became the ancestors of the dark haired peoples who populated the British Isles as that colouring is not typical of north western Europe.
iTAMEi@reddit
If we’re all just interlopers then what do you think about the rights of indigenous Americans, aboriginal Australians and native African peoples?
sockeyejo@reddit
This is why the history of the UK and the British Isles is so fascinating because there are so many layers to each nationality as we describe them today and we can't unpick that: this differs slightly to many indigenous cultures and tribes across the world whose ancestors reached distant lands through incredible and unimaginable migration routes that in many cases couldn't be repeated due to geological changes that transformed the earth. Humans left Africa several times but each settlement died out until one group finally made it, travelling at a time when by chance the global water levels made it possible to travel and reach distant shores, and the climate allowed them to eventually settle. Without that luck, homosapiens would not have spread through Asia, Europe, across the Pacific and its islands, up to the Arctic and from there to the Americas. Britain was easier to reach time and time again, except when it was buried under colossal ice sheets, so different races could and did leave their own footprints and then genetic markers on the population as it grew and mixed. The outlying lands beyond the oceans had to wait for Europeans to rediscover sailing and navigation to start redistributing different genes across the globe.
Even going from the time of the Romans, we carry blood from the Picts, the Scots (who were originally Irish who migrated across the Irish Sea), the numerous Celtic Kingdoms and tribes, the Romans from across the Empire who had families with Britons and their descendants stayed when the Legions left; then came the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, distinct tribes from western Europe who eventually united against the Celtic British, then the Danes, then the Normans... And these are just the ruling classes, not counting William of Orange, the Hanovers, the Gothenburg-Mountbattens etc. Throw in every group that has been invited to come and trade or set up shop or lend their services and we're a mixed bag of absolutely everything. And our regional differences are gloriously diverse too, even amongst the nations. Compare Cornwall and Cumbria, Surrey and Sunderland, Pembrokeshire and Powys, Dumfries and Dundee, and I'm not going down the road of naming towns and areas in NI but compared and contrast as you wish.
I've lived all over England and Wales and don't really fit on anywhere as I've moved so often - but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else and I'll never get bored of exploring our rich and unique history.
iTAMEi@reddit
That’s a very very long winded response that totally avoided my question
EdgeOk2154@reddit
We are all British . It’s all the uk 🇬🇧
zzkj@reddit
I'm from Yorkshire and I see everywhere else as foreign countries.
LeahDragon@reddit
This 100% 🤣
EyeAware3519@reddit
Even other parts of Yorkshire
noir_lord@reddit
As someone from the East Riding... accurate.
We don't trust those weirdo's from the North Riding at all, they do have the strategic rock reserves up in Scarborough and Filey though so we put up with them.
Newreddituserw@reddit
🤣
rustynoodle3891@reddit
Surely you love Lancashire though
Ganache_53@reddit
i’m a uk citizen, but my nationality is Scottish. the other constituent parts of Great Britain and Northern Ireland are different countries. The UK is a state not a country and there is no British nation.
El_Zilcho@reddit
I'm a southern English person. Lived in North-East Scotland for 5 years for Uni and hop over to Newport/Cardiff on occasion. I also work for a company that is based t'up north so have to go there for meeting etc. Never been to northern or the republic of Ireland but the people from there I met in Scotland were ok.
Wonderful-Cow-9664@reddit
Im English and just feel hated by everyone and I don’t know why. As a kid I loved Scotland and Wales, I loved that we were 3 countries on the same island. As I grew up I realised how much hatred was directed at us and I didn’t understand it and no longer felt welcome in either country
floppymitralvalve@reddit
I was born and grew up in Wales, but moved to England in my early 20s and lost my accent over time. People back in Wales would assume I’m English now, but I’ve never experienced any hate when I go back (which is often as my family are all still there). Similarly lived in Scotland for a year and never got any animosity for being what they’d assume was English. Hopefully what you experienced when you were younger is dying out?
Purplemonkey78@reddit
I was born in England but moved to Glasgow in my twenties. I still have an English accent. My wife is Welsh. I’ve never felt “hated” for being English either in Scotland or Wales or ever had problems from others just because of the way I speak.
There’s some good natured banter / micky taking but that would be same anywhere in the UK.
What can upset people in Scotland and Wales is when people assume the counties are just like England but where they speak “with funny accents” or a lack of understanding of different culture and a different history.
There is animosity towards the incredibly London centric political and economic nature of the UK, but the same can be said of the North of England where I was born.
Yes, there’s a tiny minority who do “hate” but the vast majority of Scots will hope England lose at football, take the micky out of you and then end up buying you a drink.
Wonderful-Cow-9664@reddit
I’m northern, which is why I don’t understand it. London is essentially its own country-separate from the rest of England. There are absolutely parts of wales where English are not welcome, but Scotland as a whole has always been fine. It’s the Scottish and Welsh on social media that do an excellent job of making us feel unwelcome. Just take a look at the comments…
Purplemonkey78@reddit
Might have missed it, but I can’t see any comments stating they feel “hatred” towards English people. I wonder if you might be conflating people’s options about “English people” with “England” which is largely a proxy for the UK Government and London.
Sorry to hear you feel there are parts of Wales “where English are not welcome”. Definitely not my experience and that’s coming from someone who married into a Plaid Cymru, Welsh speaking family.
trippykitsy@reddit
im Welsh and england feels like my shitty older brother
EUskeptik@reddit
Wales was England’s first colony.
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Albert_Herring@reddit
England was England's first colony. The conquest of Wales was just part of the same process of establishing Germanic hegemony over the island.
EUskeptik@reddit
🙂
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filbert94@reddit
We're just annoyed mum and dad gave you the best landscape
trippykitsy@reddit
Lmao seriously as soon as i cross the severn into england it's flat fields all the way
ForesterDean23@reddit
That’s exactly why the border lies where it does. Invaders, starting with the Romans, chased the locals as far as the rocky un-farmable land and then thought ‘ok well they can have that I suppose’.
HotFlatus69@reddit
What? You've literally got the Cotswold escarpment right in front of you and the Mendip to the south
EyeAware3519@reddit
Don't let facts get in the way of patriotism
Thaddeus_Valentine@reddit
Like older brothers usually are, we're just trying to toughen you up so you don't get bullied by people outside of the family.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
Same here bud same here
Cofiwch dderwyn
Old_Roof@reddit
Of all the history to choose from to wield a nationalist axe upon, I’ve always thought a creation of a reservoir is a silly one.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
It was a welsh speaking town forced out of their homes, a chunk of historical buildings destroyed and wales was overruled in parliament and unable to stop it… so yes it pissed us off - especially since we don’t even use the water nor are we compensated for England taking the water from us…
escapingfromelba@reddit
Other places in the UK were flooded so it's not unique.
As to this notion of "taking" the water, that is a nationalist framing as we are the UK so the framing as us vs them is misleading. After all, England can complain that Wales takes from it for various things when in fact the point of a nation is a sharing of resources.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
The thing is wales is forced to pay or forfeit funding for pretty much everything we get, England takes and says “we are a union” when its the other way around.
And yes other places were funded in England, for England, but they erased one of our last all welsh towns for themselves, if you cant see why thats an issue thats fully a you problem.
escapingfromelba@reddit
This must be a joke.
https://stateofwales.com/how-is-wales-funded/
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
You do realise welsh people pay taxes too??? You actual spoon
escapingfromelba@reddit
That's shown in the diagram. You really must read it.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
And like many a fool before you have completely misinterpreted the Barnett formula… you are not the first but your ignorance is showing. As with a lot of things here there’s a deeper misunderstanding baked into what you’ve said. Wales isn’t some external country being “funded by England.” It’s part of the same state structure. Welsh workers, businesses, and industries contribute to that same pot. Public spending coming back isn’t generosity, it’s redistribution.
Also this whataboutism is completely missing my original point, id guess intentionally as you’ve run out ways to tell me I’m wrong - im talking about the flooding of Tryweryn, and how wales opposed it, didn’t want it, and were trampled over anyway, losing one of our last all welsh speaking villages and eventually leading to the creation of the welsh government to make sure our own views could never be seen as an inconvenience to be ignored again.
Maybe read a history book or watch the documentary i linked above before you say anything else, because you seem to clutching at straws because you don’t like that wales still holds a grudge.
escapingfromelba@reddit
Insults aren't going to work as a distraction. You really do need to read the chart - everyone viewing this can see it.
Debating nationalists is like arguing with religious people. It doesn't matter what facts you bring to the table or independent citations you post, they always end up making accusations or using bad faith as theirs is a faith based feeling. The numbers are there in the chart, everyone can see them.
As to this notion of whataboutism, I replied to your comment in the context you chose to set about funding. Complaining that I've talked about funding after you brought that up is bad faith and comes back to my previous paragraph about the religious types always coming around to that sort of behaviour.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
Have you actually looked at home the table is made? Or just reading the first chart that looks like it supports your argument?
As for what i said, its correct and factual, again…
Im done with this, ive linked a documentary, you can either watch it or mot watch it, but i wont be replying again to bad faith whataboutism
escapingfromelba@reddit
I've looked across all the table. And if you don't like that one then a google finds you raw data.
But tell you what, I am happy to take a reputable citation to support your version of the numbers. Let's see what you mean in detail and then everyone passing by gets both sides in actual data.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
Lets just say we are used to this https://www.reddit.com/r/AskUK/s/j5xUPG9a1n but also - no, its not my job to educate you, nor is it my job to provide you with information, it would take exactly 2 seconds to google Yeah, “why is the Barnett formula controversial” and you’d get your answer, since you can’t even be arsed to do that i know for a fact you wont read anything i actually provide you with anyway, so id just be wasting my take gathering information for you To ignore because it doesn’t support your argument.
escapingfromelba@reddit
So I've posted a citation with numbers vs your posting an opinion with nothing to back it up whatsoever. Ummm, which one is most likely to be accurate.............
As I said, it's like arguing with a religious person. Doesn't matter what facts you find citations for, they come back with faith based feelings.
My citation is there for anyone who made it this far down. Enjoy your day, you cannot say I didn't try my best to get some actual data from you.
Delicious-Being-6531@reddit
Yeah, he’ll just wave the Barnett formula and call you all grifters. We get it all the time up here in Scotland too.
fuck_peeps_not_sheep@reddit
They already have lol, its really funny i wont lie, that table is a mess and nobody understands it, so they wave it around instead because it makes them feel smart
neilm1000@reddit
In which case I suggest you look into the history of controversial dams and reservoirs not just in Wales but around the world. My grandparents occasionally mentioned it and they lived in Bridgend which is miles away from both the Liverpool and Birmingham reservoirs.
Any_Preference_4147@reddit
I don't think we would have minded so much if it was on unused land. The land used included Capel Celyn, one of the last remaining only Welsh speaking communities in Wales.
RiverGlittering@reddit
We do it out of love. We just don't know how to express ourselves appropriately.
trippykitsy@reddit
the uk government ended furlough funding for wales several months before it ended furlough funding for england, basically screwing over millions of welsh people made redundant due to the pandemic.
Tough-Oven4317@reddit
Did this happen?
trippykitsy@reddit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54766012
Intelligent_Mine_121@reddit
I'm not saying you're wrong but that link doesn't support your claim. Instead that source suggests that furlough funding was identical for England and Wales. The issue the First Minister had was that the funding was identical even though the lockdown dates were different.
Tough-Oven4317@reddit
Seems like furlough wasn't cut short for Wales, only that Wales had a firebreak while the UK was expecting to reopen, before COVID ramping up again
RiverGlittering@reddit
The UK did refuse an extension for Wales, when they went into the firebreak lockdown.
They then announced an extension when they announced England was entering lockdown again.
Haxuppdee-85@reddit
I see myself as British first and a Yorkshireman second
TamaktiJunVision@reddit
See them all as whiny bellends tbh
TheAviator27@reddit
Scotland and Wales are allies but NI is not a country. England is the bratty cousin we all have to deal with.
thebrowncanary@reddit
I love in the UK, which is a country.
If I am in any other of the home nations I would consider myself to be in my country.
ssh_condor@reddit
This is how I would see it as well.
poo_on_my_scarf@reddit
When I travel to England from Scotland I feel like I'm in a different country.
There's an uncanny valley feeling to things. House architecture is different, cameras on the street are different etc etc
EyeAware3519@reddit
It cannie be uncanny
poo_on_my_scarf@reddit
Aye it can
matomo23@reddit
Yeah but honestly that’s the case in most countries as you travel region to region. Obviously more so in countries like the UK, Australia, Germany the US which have federalism or devolution though.
poo_on_my_scarf@reddit
Ok and I could say the same about the USA. It's similar but different.
matomo23@reddit
Yeah that’s what I’m saying.
5c0ttgreen@reddit
Ireland is a different country.
PineappleFrittering@reddit
OP says Northern Ireland (maybe they edited).
SilyLavage@reddit
It does have what I believe is a unique relationship with the UK, though, in that its citizens are not legally considered foreign here and neither are British people in Ireland.
matomo23@reddit
Well sort of. We are foreign though (unless you’re born in NI), but we have a common travel area enshrined in law. That doesn’t make me not foreign when I go to Ireland.
SilyLavage@reddit
We're not foreign to each other, although it doesn't seem to be very well-known.
In the UK, the Ireland Act 1949 states that "notwithstanding that the Republic of Ireland is not part of His Majesty’s dominions, the Republic of Ireland is not a foreign country for the purposes of any law in force in any part of the United Kingdom."
In Ireland, the Aliens Act 1939 was amended in 1999 to exclude British people.
matomo23@reddit
That’s really interesting actually. I didn’t realise that.
SilyLavage@reddit
OP said Northern Ireland, which isn't.
quartersessions@reddit
Different parts of the UK feel different depending on experience really.
Having grown up in the Scottish countryside, I'd feel more at home in parts of deepest Gloucestershire than I would in many of the big industrial cities of the north. I went to London a lot from when I was a child, and can find my way about there better than I could Glasgow. I feel more at home in the Lake District than I do in the far Highlands of Scotland.
Which is a way of saying I don't think people really think of countries in terms of the places within them. It's almost ridiculous, for instance, to say we'd fight for the Falkland Islands, somewhere half way around the world that virtually nobody from the UK had ever been. Yet we did - not because it felt like the same country, we didn't even know what it was like, but because of the political bonds there.
sheepandlambs@reddit
England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are regions of 1 country, that being the United Kingdom.
If I went to Belfast I would be as much in my country as in London.
metechgood@reddit
The United kingdom is the country so yeah, Scottish people I see as from my country lol
noir_lord@reddit
I was born in England but my identity is British/European so I see no difference between someone who is Welsh, Scottish or Irish in terms of that.
I can understand why people in Scotland, Wales and Ireland may feel differently though, England is by far the largest population of the countries that make up the Union.
Honestly though I don't really care about my nationality, I didn't choose to be born in the UK, it has always felt like nationalism is two plants arguing their plant pot is the best plant pot.
Albert_Herring@reddit
I don't really do "possession". I feel like a bit of an outsider in Wales or Scotland, perhaps, but I also get that at the other end of the English city I live in, let alone elsewhere in England. And that's not very important to me, really, it's just awareness that I will be obviously southern English at least as soon as I open my mouth there, as it will be in many other countries (although the French tend to think I'm Belgian and the Germans aren't sure because while my accent in German is pretty bad it's not a stereotypically English one).
When I was young I used to claim Welsh affiliation (at least for vicarious footballing purposes) on the dubious grounds of a couple of great-grandparents (on opposite sides of the family, mind) from Dolgellau, mainly because England fans (both football and rugby) were utterly objectionable. After living abroad for a bit I came to terms with the fact that I am actually pretty much English, but I'm also European and, like, mostly human, and nationalism is mostly a blight except where it's underdog nationalism and even then it needs keeping an eye on.
catmadwoman@reddit
I'm an old lady and have always included all of the UK and all of Ireland (I was born and bred in County Kilburn) as my home country. Only in sports do I think England first but only half heartedly. At a push even the Channel Islands.
WinglyBap@reddit
Whenever I see the same road signs, road markings and language I feel like I’m in my own country. Those are the things that stick out as foreign or familiar.
reverendhunter@reddit
Im Scottish, england or wales dont feel like my country.
Appropriate_Data4991@reddit
Mancunian living in Yorkshire here.. feel more at home in Southern Scotland or North Wales than I would say in Essex or Buckinghamshire or Hampshire.. But Highlands or South Wales definitely feel like another country.. Regional identity stronger for me than National.
Styxal@reddit
i am from northern england. scotland and wales feel familiar enough that it feels similar to visiting another county where they might speak differently (or in a different language when it comes to wales i suppose). london actually felt a little more strange than anywhere i stayed in scotland or wales. maybe because i have never lived in a city.
i've never visited northern ireland - but i visited dublin in the republic of ireland, which was definitely a different country.
imtheorangeycenter@reddit
I genuinely spent the first 35 years of my life believing - because I remember the words the teacher said - is that we were four provinces within one country.
I still like to think of it that way.
escapingfromelba@reddit
It's a reasonable view. People use the term countries when that's more accurate as they aren't sovereign states and are what other nations would call states of landes or provinces etc.
Qyro@reddit
The best way to describe it is I feel the same kinship to someone from Scotland as someone from London, or someone from Northern Ireland as someone from Yorkshire. We are the same but different. We're all in this together, but we all call a round piece of bread different things.
DameKumquat@reddit
As a Londoner, that makes sense to me. Someone from Yorkshire or Coventry is as different as a Scot, but all within the same family.
There's a difference with people from NI though, given half don't see themselves as British and the other half think they're British in a very different way to how Brits in Great Britain do.
raged_norm@reddit
It's like siblings, I'll take every opportunity to trash and belittle them but if another country does they can sod off. That's my right, not yours.
SuddenHelicopter7623@reddit
I like this.
I’m Welsh. England, where I currently am, is not my home.
But they are my brother, and so yes I can say mean things. But no one else gets to (within reason).
ClumsyandLost@reddit
I'm born and raised in England and I'd love to feel like we have solidarity but I don't think the English are accepted in "the club". We get the blame for whatever the government do wrong when we're usually just as frustrated ourselves.
escapingfromelba@reddit
I see them as regions. We use the term countries where other nations would say states or regions or departments, and frankly it causes no end of bickering online
OkHistorian9521@reddit
Same country but different. The changes can be subtle though i’m not sure most foreigners would notice
Zak_Rahman@reddit
I grew up knowing Welsh, Irish, Scottish people.
They're all my people.
I absolutely understand why some people want nothing to do with England's government. But none of these people are strangers or even strange to have around.
Like there's no way you can describe someone from Ireland as "foreign". That makes no sense.
Unless you're from Yorkshire, but that's a different matter entirely.
Live-Independent-416@reddit
England here from Essex, everywhere in Britain is home to me. I view them as seperate countries in sports only.
I havent been to Ireland so cant comment there.
jack5624@reddit
Yes. As an Englishman, when I go to Scotland and Wales I don’t feel like a foreigner. Mainly feel like I’m in a different distinct region of my country. I haven’t been to Northern Ireland but in the Republic I do feel like I’m in a foreign country but only just. A lot of things do feel similar.
DoKtor2quid@reddit
Welsh. Wales is my country. I speak Welsh more than I do English and see the celtic nations as my closest siblings. I see England as a tone deaf and entitled bully of a nation, although Westminster’s approach to Wales shapes my view here; far more than the average person in England. However, through the eyes of this particular welsh woman, we are definitely 4 distinct countries.
iffyClyro@reddit
Scotland is “my” country. The other countries aren’t “mine”.
Heathy-Heatherson@reddit
I'm English and feel like that is my country. In Scotland or Wales I feel like I am in a different country and behave as a good guest, my understanding from speaking to Scottish and Welsh people and also from what I've seen on Reddit, is that is how Scottish and Welsh people would prefer their countries to be seen by English people. So I think everyone's happy. The UK is also my country but I would only feel fully "at home" in England.
techbear72@reddit
Ireland is not part of the UK.
Northern Ireland is.
And I see all the constituent countries of the UK as part of my country but also as each having their own unique culture (because they do, in addition to sharing a culture with the other constituent countries).
Ireland itself is also an incredibly close country because of the shared history there even before the act of union in 1801. You could say the same for France too. I know that there’s a traditional rivalry there, but when you strip the superfluous away, we’re incredibly similar.
nothingandnemo@reddit
You had me for a minute there but you tripped up on the final sentence. We're all wise to your Bonapartist tricks now!
techbear72@reddit
Sacré bleu! J'ai été découvert!
rustynoodle3891@reddit
Oh putain nous avons été découverts
Educational-Slip-578@reddit (OP)
sorry, I meant Northern Ireland in my question.
Logical-Kick-3901@reddit
Many of us are a mix of British nationality (and other). I was born in England. My grandparents were Welsh, Scottish, and Northern Irish. So they all feel like part of my home.
rustynoodle3891@reddit
I' feel entirely English but both sides of my family orignate in Ireland. I have love for anyone I don't care where you are from. My two best mates are a cockney girl and a Spanish fella.
rustynoodle3891@reddit
Sun is out now but I don't think it's going to be around for long. Off into town shortly, which is usually a trigger for instant rain. I'm only a few miles from Wales in Cheshire, it's all the bloody hills that affect our climate!
EUskeptik@reddit
In the context of the UK I see myself as English and view Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland as distinctly different, each with their own separate national identity.
However, I am an English/Swedish dual national which complicates things a little.
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Williamshirkie@reddit
I see Scotland as my country and the UK as a state made up of different countries. Legally I’m British, but emotionally and culturally I identify much more as Scottish. I also feel European to an extent.
For me, Britishness often feels heavily centred around England because England dominates politically, culturally, and in terms of population. That doesn’t mean I dislike English people at all, I think England is a beautiful country with a rich culture and history. It’s more about identity and how the UK is structured.
I’d describe the UK as a country of countries basically. Scotland, England, Wales, and Northern Ireland all have their own identities, histories, and cultures, even though we share a state.
DingoBingoWimbo@reddit
We should destroy the union
rustynoodle3891@reddit
I'd say most English people see the others as "your" country, and the other way round England is generally despised, even if said people have moved to England.
Dramatic_Prior_9298@reddit
I think 'generally despised' is a bit much. That's certainly not my experience as a Welsh person living in south Wales.
rustynoodle3891@reddit
Perhaps my phrasing went too far, but I find English people are generally dislikes by other UK nations. In North Wales they all speak English in the pub until an English man walks in! I haven't been to South Wales yet
SilyLavage@reddit
That's a myth – I was in a pub outside Llangefni not so long back and there was a mix of English and Welsh being spoken with no issue. People have better things to think about in the pub than whether an English person is present or not.
rustynoodle3891@reddit
It's not a myth I've experienced it first hand. Not to say it's the norm but it certainly happens.
SilyLavage@reddit
It must be incredibly rare, and the logic doesn't really make sense. You're saying there are multiple pubs full of Welsh speakers who are choosing to speak English so that they can wait for an English person to walk in and switch to Welsh to make them feel unwelcome?
rustynoodle3891@reddit
I can only go from experience, I'm absolutely sure that there are not people poised waiting for this, I'm just saying it has happened.
SilyLavage@reddit
What exactly happened? You were outside the pub and heard English, then walked in and it all turned into Welsh?
rustynoodle3891@reddit
No I walked in to the pub hearing English spoken, ordered a round in my very London accent and the general chat among the customers was no longer in English. I have to presume Welsh as I don't speak it beyond bore da
SilyLavage@reddit
I mean, I can't tell you it didn't happen but it does seem unlikely that the whole pub switched languages just because you walked in.
I mean, are you sure you just weren't paying close attention to what other customers were saying until you heard what you assume was Welsh, giving the impression of a change when they'd actually been speakng it the whole time?
rustynoodle3891@reddit
It's possible if course, I believe many English words are used in Welsh but it wasn't my impression.
SilyLavage@reddit
Well, can't argue with that!
rustynoodle3891@reddit
I appreciate that we have had a reasonable discussion about this whichever point of view is correct. A rare occurrence these days online. Have a great day wherever you are and whichever language you choose!
SilyLavage@reddit
Yeah, I'm glad we kept things measured and it was a nice discussion. Enjoy the sun while it lasts, if you have any!
NoMortgage3467@reddit
We are a United Kingdom and will always protect each other.
NoMortgage3467@reddit
We are a United Kingdom and will always protect each other.
HotLyps@reddit
For me it's got more to do with the landscape and feeling of the area than the specific part of the landmass that I'm in. I'm English and live most of my life around Oxfordshire. I find the smaller villages in that area feel like 'home'. But so do similar places in Yorkshire, across Wales and Scotland.
However, while I enjoy visiting some of our larger cities, none of them feel like 'my home'. London is fantastic in terms of things to see, foods to try and buzzing around on the underground for a few days can be fun. But after a while, I find it tiring and alien and feel a sense of peace when I return home.
matomo23@reddit
Yes of course. But I’m English so we see things differently I’m sure.
The United Kingdom is the sovereign country I live in. It’s the country recognised by every world body and it’s what my passport says. So when I’ve been to Scotland, NI and Wales I’ve also seen them as being “my” country.
Humble-Stay9771@reddit
I am Scottish, an SNP voter yet (politics aside) I feel a strong affinity with English and Welsh people due to close family ties and shared experiences. I visit both countries regularly which are beautiful and culturally familiar.
Ireland and Northern Ireland not so much. One is a completely different country I have only visited once in my life. The other is simply not somewhere I feel I belong the very few times I have gone there (and my ‘NI grandfather’ completely abandoned my Granny when she was pregnant with my Dad, so it’s personal too).
Dismal_Vast6157@reddit
the interesting thing is that british identity often feels situational rather than constant. abroad, many people instinctively say they are british because the distinctions matter less internationally. at home, regional and national identities usually become much stronger because the differences feel more immediate and personal. so people can genuinely feel both connected and separate at the same time without seeing it as contradictory.
BlackStarDream@reddit
As somebody who's lived in two and has a parent from each, they're allied different countries.
And the ones I've lived in are mine. Although obviously the one I was born in would take priority.
SunnysideWoW@reddit
I don't even consider Birmingham to be "my country" any more.
ploppipity@reddit
I am living in England with Irish parents. I live a couple or miles from Wales and have been to Scotland often. England, Wales and Scotland are all the same to me. Because Northern Ireland requires a flight or ferry it feels like a foreign country but once there everything is familiar. Ireland is different to me, it is a foreign country even though most of my relatives live there.
rustynoodle3891@reddit
I'm pretty much in the same boat. Although it's Irish heritage on both sides rather than parents. I can get a bus from my house into Wales. Northern Irish is probably the hardest dialect for me to understand and I'm pretty good with dialects and languages
GooseyDuckDuck@reddit
I’m Scottish, living in Scotland, but the rest of the UK is also my country (except football :) )
SilyLavage@reddit
I don't feel foreign anywhere in Wales, as an example.
If I'm in a Welsh-speaking area I'm aware that it has a different culture to my own, but it's still a British culture – we all watch similar things on telly, go to Tesco, moan about the weather, etc.
Old_Roof@reddit
A bit of both. When I’m up in Scotland I definitely feel in a slightly different place. Yet at the same time there is brotherly love and a very familiar feeling. Culturally all 4 parts of the UK are incredibly similar
Ok-Constant-2683@reddit
As an English person I can assure you Scots have never left room for me to wonder if I am their people
Same is increasingly true of the Welsh these days, which is sad as my mum is Welsh
bendybow@reddit
Have never been to Northern Ireland, but the republic definitely feels more like an allied country. I felt very culturally similar but yea things are different enough to feel like you're a visitor. I've lived in Wales, Scotland, and England in various different regions and feel very at home anywhere in all 3 countries so they all feel like 'my country'.
Eaidsisreal@reddit
I genuinely forget Wales exists most of the time. It's like playing The Game every time I'm reminded of it.
Intelligent_Mine_121@reddit
It's contextual. I live in England and think of myself as British and the other countries of the UK are only slightly more different than other parts of England. The exceptions, of course, are sports like football and rugby.
Ok_Switch6715@reddit
The same as I feel about another county or city in the same country, just a bit more defined.
Lynvor@reddit
I see Wales as more as an allied country, Scotland and NI seem completely foreign to me as any other country in Europe but that is probably because I have never been to either of them.
Alice_Da_Cat@reddit
Nah, they're their own countries, beautiful places and would love to visit Scotland, absolutely love Ireland and Wales but they're their own countries 🥰
love_in_october@reddit
Ireland is not part of the UK, only Northern Ireland is. The Republic of Ireland, on the same island, is an independent country.
I'm a citizen of the UK, so it's all my country. (And as a dual citizen, all of Ireland is also my country.) I feel more attachment to England and Northern Ireland though as I live in the former and am from the latter. But it's more like feeling an attachment to the city where I live, I don't see other areas as "allies".
Other people's mileage might vary if they've only really spent extended time in one of the devolved nations.
Internal-Leadership3@reddit
I'm English and view the other elements of the UK as my country too, but am well aware that they probably don't share that opinion.
For example, I'm always happy to see Scotland do well in the football, whilst the general consensus north of the border is probably the exact opposite.
Fanjo_mcclanjo@reddit
I see Ireland as an allied country, Wales as a cousin a dont know very well and England as the crazy racist cousin I avoid at family gatherings after they've had too much to drink.
I dont feel like I have any right to live in any of them or a specific bond other than maybe a slight celtic connection.
But that said, I do feel a certain kinship with workers across the planet and have more in common with a Sheffield steel worker than I do with Lord Glasgow.
BeaumarchaisApu@reddit
A bit of both
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