I’m so lost sometimes
Posted by InternationalWar1379@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 46 comments
On my 4th flight. I’m doing the ground work. Kings school has helped a lot, and videos. But sometimes I sit here reading my PHAK book and all these books and I’m just information confused. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense and it’s not clicking. When did this change for you and how did you study in ways that made it “make sense” or load of information?
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
Use gemini, have it explain things you dont understand.
I_Follow_Roads@reddit
So much AI generated info on aviation related topics I’ve seen is flat out wrong. Plus instructors and DPEs hate this shit. Don’t do this OP.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
I guarantee it will explain things better to him than his instructors. I just graduated from a&p school and passed all my FAA written and oral and practicals scoring in the mid 90's. Gemini can explain things much better than the poorly written FAA textbooks and the dumbass instructors at the school; who don't even know the material they're supposed to be teaching. People make shit up far more than AI does, When you're studying a textbook and dont understand something, if you go to AI and ask it to explain it, it will reword things and give analogies, compare and contrast to help you understand. Since you're looking at the textbook, if it hallucinates and makes something up that's wrong, you'll likely be able to spot it because you're already studying an authoritative reference material..
Teabagger_Vance@reddit
It sucks you are getting down voted but you are absolutely right. Even Sporty's has added AI chat to their online ground school. They build their entire business model on education pilots so it definitely seems odd that random reddit users are confidently shitting on current LLM capabilities. With responsible usage it can be a great study aid.
On a side note I truly believe the anti AI crowd is going to be left behind in the same way as as the people who thought email was a fad or internet critics were in the 90s. Whenever I ask people what their main objections are it usually boils down to just not using the software properly or being totally unaware of it's capabilities. It is like any other tech skill similar to using google effectively. I don't think you telling someone to google ground school concepts you are struggling with would be met with the same criticism. Just give it time and people will come around. I work for a fintech company in the bay area and its head spinning how fast the industry has leveraged it. Like most new tech things, it takes off in Palo Alto and years later the general public adopts it.
x4457@reddit
Horrible advice. Absolutely do not do this.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
I guarantee it will explain things better to him than his instructors. I just graduated from a&p school and passed all my FAA written and oral and practicals scoring in the mid 90's. Gemini can explain things much better than the poorly written FAA textbooks and the dumbass instructors at the school that don't even know the material they're supposed to be teaching. People make shit up far more than AI does,
x4457@reddit
I guarantee you it will hallucinate something at some point bad enough to cause problems. Cause I have seen it do that.
AI is not a flight instructor. Stop trying to make it one.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
When you're studying a textbook and dont understand something, if you go to AI and ask it to explain it, it will reword things and give analogies, compare and contrast to help you understand. Since you're looking at the textbook, if it hallucinates and makes something up that's wrong, you'll likely be able to spot it because you're already studying an authoritative reference material.. It can help make things "click" for someone better than most teachers, especially better than a flight instructor who doesn't care about teaching and is just there to build hours.
x4457@reddit
That sounds great in theory but that's absolutely not how people are going to use it. They're going to ask AI to clarify, it will hallucinate more than 50% of the time, then they'll write that hallucination down in their notes as fact and never bother to check with their instructor on how it actually works.
Teabagger_Vance@reddit
I think youd be shocked how far this technology has come. If you engineer good prompts and ask for sources it is a very very powerful learning tool. I use some form of LLM daily in my work and it’s really freaky how far they’ve come. The hallucinations are way down compared to even 6 months ago.
x4457@reddit
I also use LLMs daily and would not, at all, be shocked by the status of any of them. I am speaking from recent, direct experience.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
Nothing that this guy needs to know for his PPL is so complicated that an LLM cant teach him.
x4457@reddit
Except for when it completely hallucinates something and presents it as fact. Which it does, and will continue to do, just based on the core nature of how LLMs work.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
And instructors make things up and teach bad info all the time? Should we get rid of flight instructors?
Teabagger_Vance@reddit
Likewise
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
Ya no.. Sounds like youre talking about chat gpt of two years ago... I'm telling you gemini is incredible. It can explain the workings of piston engines, aerodynamics of wing, calculate, horsepower of an engine, explain how a feathering prop works and compare and contrast the difference between feathering counterweight prop and non feathering constant speed prop... And not hallucinate once... You can upload a textbook to it and have it only reference that and it wont hallucinate at all.
x4457@reddit
I'm telling you that it's not even close to as incredible as you think it is.
I can't tell you exactly why I would know, but believe me when I say I do.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
ok sure dude, ill believe you for no reason, because you say so.
x4457@reddit
Great, thanks! Glad we're now on the same page.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
quit talking out of your ass. put up or shutup
Material-Length9366@reddit
Have it fly the plane too, so a step
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
It would do a better job.
Material-Length9366@reddit
Username checks out
I_Follow_Roads@reddit
I had issue during instrument training. I couldn’t get my head around how much there was to learn. Then one day it just clicked and I was good. Hang in there. It’ll click soon enough if you keep at it.
kevinw1526@reddit
I think my favorite day of training was the day instrument clicked
HateJobLoveManU@reddit
My favorite part about instrument training was realizing a PPL was like a learners permit and I was still very inexperienced. By the end of instrument I was miles better, way more pilots need to get it
ATrainDerailReturns@reddit
4 flights is basically no flights
Stay the course give it more time
Prestigious-Elk-9061@reddit
Welcome to club! Good news is, it gets better and starts to make sense if you keep studying. Bad news is it happened all over again when you get to Instrument training. Good luck!
flyingron@reddit
Well, some of it doesn't make sense because the FAA just gets the physics wrong. You just have to parrot back the misinformation or you won't get it right on the test. Actually, the PHAK text describes coordinated flight properly, but displays the unrelated and incorrect FAA figure that shows all the forces in balance, including a fictitious centrifugal force (which the text in the Airplane Flying Handbook uses.)
jimcarroll_cfi@reddit
PHAK is meant for all pilots - private, instrument, commercial and atp, so its no wonder you find it confusing. Its a deep dive on the aeronautical knowledge pilots of all levels require and you will read it many times. Each time you achieve a new level in your training it will make more sense.
For now, try to read and understand as much as you can. Markup up your questions in the margins. Then sit with your instructor and ask them to explain. If their answer is confusing ask follow up questions until you get it (and don’t be surprised to discover your instructor may mot quite understand as much as they claim).
We are all learners in the world of aviation.
InternationalWar1379@reddit (OP)
I’m in part 61
AgonxReddit@reddit
A lot of this is not going to necessarily make sense and you make have to press the “I believe” button and rote memorize as much as you can and it will eventually start to make a lot of sense.
For now, memorize the procedures and get into a chair flying habit and show up prepared to every flight.
x4457@reddit
Congratulations, you are normal.
Do it more. You couldn't drive for shit on your fourth lesson either.
InternationalWar1379@reddit (OP)
Needed this lol. My CFI basically said she got it from day 2 and I’m like 😵💫😃. I feel like I’m reading shit and just reading it to highlight then having to YouTube every damn sentence
x4457@reddit
A very small percentage of people are naturals, but the vast majority of people need to practice these things.
I had one kid who was a natural, it was freaky. I could have solo'd him on lesson 3. I swear he's the second coming of Bob Hoover. Everybody else though...
kmac6821@reddit
My first on-wing was like that. He pretty much excelled in every area. I thought “this instructing stuff is easy!” I’m pretty sure that, of all my on-wings, he ended up with the highest score through the program.
vanhawk28@reddit
It was like this when I was a snowboard instructor too oddly enough. Most ppl are like brand new baby horse on a snowboard the first time. Just flopping all over the place. But I had this kid once, maybe all of 8 or 9. He got on for the first time ever (his dad said he had never touched a board before). And I would show him how to do something literally one time. And he’d do it. Perfectly. Every time. So we’d move on. He had scheduled a 1 hr lesson and his dad asked at the beginning if he’d be able to take him on the chair after and I told him certainly not. But damnit. I had that kid on a full lap of the chair by the end of the lesson and he stopped by that afternoon to tell me he was hitting blues lol
AlexJamesFitz@reddit
Does your CFI says this in a manner of, "I got this right away and you should too?"
If so, I'd find a new one that's actually interested in teaching well.
Prof_Slappopotamus@reddit
What she's not telling you is she stalled out around hour 30 and couldn't get over the plateau for a dozen hours.
Don't stress about it. Go up and fly some more. Do a little chair flying, imagining what it's supposed to look like. Get some chalk, draw it out on the street, and put your arms out like wings and "fly" your ground ref manuevers there. It'll come.
The PHAK is great, but it's light on details for a reason. Obviously read it, but keep in mind that it's more of a general overview for the information as opposed to a guide specific to your aircraft. Use it that way.
Capital-Cricket-1010@reddit
thatll be the story your entire career from every retard pilot you meet-that checkride was easy bro, my first jet type was easy bro, max crosswinds are easy bro i never struggled bro, i never did!!! please bro!!
burnheartmusic@reddit
Do ground lessons with your CFI. King school will not cut it. You need more detail and to talk through the concepts with a CFI to actually understand them
Material-Length9366@reddit
“Hey I’ve been doing this incredibly complex detailed task for the last 35 seconds and I don’t get it.” 🤷♂️
InternationalWar1379@reddit (OP)
What are study tips. How long do you guys study a day and how do you organize it?
astral__monk@reddit
You're learning a new language, culture, and skill set(s) from scratch.
4 times out is noooothing. Has there ever been anything in your life that you've picked up in 4 tries?
Perspective is important. This is a lifetime of learning and perpetual development you're walking into.
General-File-5174@reddit
I’ll echo what the other comment says and stop you at your first line. “I’m on my 4th flight”, it’d be different if you were on your 40th but you just started. Rome wasn’t built in a day
rFlyingTower@reddit
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On my 4th flight. I’m doing the ground work. Kings school has helped a lot, and videos. But sometimes I sit here reading my PHAK book and all these books and I’m just information confused. Sometimes it just doesn’t make sense and it’s not clicking. When did this change for you and how did you study in ways that made it “make sense” or load of information?
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