Part 135 hurdles?
Posted by Business_Intention85@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 12 comments
I'm a fresh PPL holder working as a shophand for a cargo company in SoFlo. There MAY have been mention that they want to add a few smaller twins (Aztecs specifically) to their 135 certificate, which got me wondering:
Would it be worth it to purchase an Aztec and try to have them add me to their certificate to work as a charter pilot once I'm appropriately rated?
If not, what would I need to do to start my own single-pilot 135 operation and do so for myself?
I read some of the FAA publications and it feels like applying for your own 135 cert could take several years and cost many many dollars.
Thanks for joining my discussion!
retiredaaer@reddit
A word of advice. Never go below Blue Line. Not ever.
MR_Weisenheimer@reddit
I would add to the general 135 hurdles: you will be competing against lots of really wealthy individuals who don’t care if their aviation business turns a profit. It’s a tough business.
2002_4Runnersr5@reddit
My guy, your post 14 days ago says you make 90k annually and have 34k in credit card debt… you can’t afford a multi.
Thanks for dialing in to the Dave Ramsey Show
Business_Intention85@reddit (OP)
I appreciate the insight. This is a post for future me. Just thinking about my options down the road and want advice relevant to what I'm asking.
x4457@reddit
A piston twin on a 135 is not worth your time or risk.
2002_4Runnersr5@reddit
Well the relevant advice is you are looking at a high 6 to low 7 figure endeavor starting a 135, even with 1 plane.
Stay on as a shop hand, be good at your job, and get your CMEL, and see if they’ll hire you then. That’s the cheapest path of least resistance if your goal is to be a professional pilot.
drowninginidiots@reddit
First, if it’s the company that’s going to be doing 135 work, they would be doing operations under their certificate. You wouldn’t need one. Second, you owning a plane for them to use will only work if they’re interested in leasing it from you.
As to starting your own 135, the difficulty and costs vary greatly depending on the FSDO you’re dealing with. There’s still tons of paperwork. I worked for a school that tried to add a single pilot 135. Writing the opspec took several weeks of work, and that was with one from another company to copy. Then, after sending in all the paperwork, the owner gave up after more than 2 years without the FSDO having even looked at the application yet, and basically being told it would be several more months before they could even give him a timeline on it. That said, I’ve known people in other places that have managed to get one in as little as 6 months.
The preferred method is to buy a company that has gone out of business in order to get their certificate. You then “move” the company to wherever you are, rename it, update all the paperwork, and you’re done. Catch is, this can easily cost tens of thousands of dollars.
Unless you have a bunch of money, and a strong desire to start a business that has a low chance of becoming successful in the long term, it’s better to work for someone else.
Mr-Plop@reddit
The paperwork is insane. Coming up with an opspec, hiring, training programs, check airmen, chiefs, DOs, chief of maintenance, operations. Softwares to process and keep customers informed private. Then dealing with certification of the aircraft, MELs
Business_Intention85@reddit (OP)
I was actually looking into Single-Pilot 135 ops if I went into it by myself
Mr-Plop@reddit
All I mentioned is for single pilot ops. I used to work for a light twin single ops to Bahamas and back.
ltcterry@reddit
Single Pilot 135 is a pretty basic thing. Not single pilot ops. A single pilot. And a single airplane. Relatively little paperwork.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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I'm a fresh PPL holder working as a shophand for a cargo company in SoFlo. There MAY have been mention that they want to add a few smaller twins (Aztecs specifically) to their 135 certificate, which got me wondering:
Would it be worth it to purchase an Aztec and try to have them add me to their certificate to work as a charter pilot once I'm appropriately rated?
If not, what would I need to do to start my own single-pilot 135 operation and do so for myself?
I read some of the FAA publications and it feels like applying for your own 135 cert could take several years and cost many many dollars.
Thanks for joining my discussion!
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