The Gas Engine Lives On: Honda Abandons Plan To Go Fully Electric By 2040. "Not Realistic"
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Emotional_Signal7883@reddit
If the commuters all switch to EVs, there will be plenty of gasoline for the enthusiasts.
Dabclipers@reddit
Except legislators in Europe seem desperate to regulate ICE vehicles completely out of existence with zero carve-outs for ICE powered vehicles. Their won't be an enthusiast market for new vehicles at this rate any more than their is an enthusiast market for washing machines.
They key is to stop with the heavy penalties on gasoline powered cars and let the market choose what it wants. That plus subsidies on lower emission vehicles will allow for manufactures to continue to make fun and interesting ICE vehicles for the enthusiasts while still increasing the amount of low emission commuter vehicles for the layman.
snoo-boop@reddit
IIXorusII@reddit
Safety requirements and duties are different things
Crazyblazy395@reddit
Unpopular opinion in this sub, so I can't wait to get downvoted into oblivion:
Climate change is a real thing that people die from.
Car emissions cause real problems that shortens people's lives.
The big issue is that you can't just get an EV and then you're safe, because other people still drive ICE vehicles. It's why we had to get rid of leaded gasoline, this isn't a "people shoud be able to choose to be healthy or not" kind of argument.
Simon_787@reddit
That's because combustion engines are fundamentally unsustainable. They either rely on abundant fossil fuels, or they require a ton of land for biofuels due to how inefficient the whole chain is.
The world is massively switching to wind and solar, and combustion engines aren't compatible with them.
That's it.
markyymark13@reddit
There is no such thing, not even in the states.
JB_UK@reddit
I thought the EU had scrapped that target.
Professional_Fix4663@reddit
There won't be many gasoline enthusiasts left once the overall cost of ownership of a used EV with 300 mile range is significantly lower than the overall cost of ownership of a used ICE car. All the ICE entusiasts who swear they'll never drive an EV will change their mind very quickly once we reach that point.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
It’s going to be a long time before society resolves the EV depreciation curve.
Professional_Fix4663@reddit
It's in the process of getting resolved all around the world. EVs are getting cheaper, range is increasing and charging times are decreasing. It's happening in the US too, but slower than in Asia or Europe. The US is the outlier in this aspect.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
The EV depreciation curve is improving? Not seeing anything of this sort in America. I see EV buyers getting obliterated on the secondary markets most of whom are upside down on their loan.
Professional_Fix4663@reddit
I'm talking about the EVs that are coming on the market right now. Their depreciation curve will be more akin to what we're used to with ICE cars.
JB_UK@reddit
EV prices crashed when Covid era supply shocks ended and supply came back, since then depreciation is normal where I am in the UK. For example I’ve just looked up ID.4s, they sell for £34k new, and are down to £15k over five years of normal mileage, 60% depreciation over 5 years is normal.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
Depreciation is much harsher on EVs in America. Some models lose 60% in under 24 months. It is brutal for EV adopters.
cubs223425@reddit
Yep, that's because the US stopped propping up the industry as hard. It brought new prices down, which hurt the already-terrible resale value.
Had a relative get an Audi EV. Thankfully, his wife talked them into a lease. I think it was roughly a year before they were basically upside-down on the vehicle's price because the depreciation was so terrible. He wanted out of it pretty shortly after, but they had to wait out several months of the lease before buying something else and returning it.
JB_UK@reddit
In the UK there was a brutal window when the first wave of EVs came put of 3 year leases, and the covid supply shocks ended. Teslas had actually appreciated from their start price, so when that all came to an end I saw £40k Teslas lose more than £1k a month for 2 years straight which was interesting! Since that period ended the prices have been quite stable. I think in the early market you get a lot of weirdness.
JB_UK@reddit
EV prices crashed when Covid era supply shocks ended and supply came back, since then depreciation is normal where I am in the UK. £40k EVs are down to £20k over three years, that’s normal.
TurboFucked@reddit
Unfortunately, I doubt it will play out like that..
At some point, it won't be profitable enough to refine, distribute, or sell gasoline and it will slowly become impossible to obtain. Gas stations will gradually shutter, and as they do so, people will start moving away from gasoline vehicles. Then the only stations left selling gasoline are large truck stops. Even if they want an ICE, it doesn't really make sense to drive 30 minutes one-way to get fuel every few days.
Transitions like this will be gradually, then all at once. Maybe a major refinery gets knocked out by a natural disaster, and its operators decide it's more profitable to take the insurance payout than rebuild. Maybe it's another pandemic, or escalating civil strife. But, if Covid taught us anything, it's that supply chains are fragile so it doesn't take much to knock them out, and people adapt by doing things they swore they wouldn't do.
Clover-kun@reddit
Some people still bought hydrogen cars!
Dreameater999@reddit
I feel like the smart gas stations are already anticipating a full EV transition and have been partnering in this space already to avoid irrelevance in a fully electrified future.
Circle K and Casey’s partnering with IONNA, for example. Kwik Trip has their own network too.
You can tell Casey’s and Kwik Trip have really been leaning into their food departments more these days too - maybe that’s unrelated, but to me seems like a subtle sign that they recognize they need to diversify in order to stay relevant.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
Supply will just scale down to balance off the demand though. Then gas will get taxed more, ICE vehicles will get taxed more, etc.
Electricity cost will go up also at the same time but would have to go up 5x to meet how much it costs to fuel gas cars.
Imagine once all the EV fully autonomous robot taxis are up and running that will reduce demand for fuel as well, and get people who shouldn’t be driving out from behind the wheel. Both fuel and vehicle sales will be down on the personal consumer side at least.
cubs223425@reddit
We truly are on a not-so-slow march to hell.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
It will be good for mobility challenged folks, and people who generally shouldn’t be behind the wheel anyway.
Nobody will be forcing us able bodied folks to use the services, unless there is government regulation…now that will be hell.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
It doesn’t look like commuters want anything to do with EVs. We see all the automakers massively scaling back their EV road plans.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
There are tons of EVs on the freeways in Texas.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
And yet several of the world’s greatest manufacturers are scaling back their forced EV push. Is there money to make or not?? Decision makers are signaling it’s a worthless endeavor.
JB_UK@reddit
EVs are probably already more than 1 in 4 car sales globally, and the technology is still developing fast, see for example the Neue Klass EVs and the improvement over the previous generation. I’d be very surprised if that’s not 1 in 2 within five years.
cubs223425@reddit
This is mostly influenced by government force though. Companies are still getting major subsidies as gas solution are penalized severely. When an entire region tries to say they'll ban ICE sales by 2030, acting like the purchasing and manufacturing decisions of the auto industry is driven my natural demand is just lying to yourself.
JB_UK@reddit
That’s fair, a lot of what’s happened up to now is driven by mandates. I think we’re beyond the tipping point now though with the new technology, scrapping mandates would significantly slow down but not stop the transition. And I think you probably only need a few more years of the mandate before removing it will make little difference, because we’re already starting to see parity in function and margins in between combustion and EV in the premium part of the market.
I do think combustion engines will be around for quite a long time as a long tail, probably there will still be a significant market in 20 or 30 years.
We’re still at an early stage with the technology, prices will fall significantly, and even just in the next few years EVs that charge in 10 minutes for example will become normal.
wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClimateShitposting/s/g9ffTtDbo1
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit (OP)
CEO Toshihiro Mibe: ‘Because of the uncertainty in the business environment and also the customer demand, is changing beyond our expectation and, therefore, we have judged that it’ll be difficult to achieve. That ratio [100-percent electric in 2040] is not realistic as of now. We have withdrawn this target.’
ctn91@reddit
Its a fair argument, but don’t abandon it entirely.
Bullshit-_-Man@reddit
You want exclusively electric cars…? From Honda?
byerss@reddit
Honda just scrapped the entire EV development.
So it’s not so much “won’t be 100% EVs” it’s current trajectory is 0% EVs.
Viperlite@reddit
Aren’t they at least keeping the Prologue for the US market?
ALOIsFasterThanYou@reddit
No, the Prologue is set to be discontinued at the end of the year.
What_the_8@reddit
Probably because no one’s buying it, to Hondas point.
Viperlite@reddit
I see lots of them on the road. Bummer to see them go. My wife was actually contemplating that as a replacement for her old Pilot.
cartersa87@reddit
Interesting that you’ve seen a lot, where are you located? I’m in Indiana and have seen one on a showroom and one actually on the road.
funnyfarm299@reddit
That's two more than I've seen over in South Carolina.
What_the_8@reddit
In yet to see one other than on the showroom floor. I see Passports everywhere.
origami_airplane@reddit
I wonder if they will bring back their gas lawn mowers. Haven't made one since 2023. Really disappointed, their small engines are great.
ChiggaOG@reddit
Not so fast. People are ignoring their Powersports division. They're still doing EV motorcycles.
Recoil42@reddit
Fucking hell, low information Reddit really just keeps jackrabbing this up over and over. The 0 Alpha is still due for release, N-One is still being released, and the e:N2 line in China hasn't changed. Only the Ohio and Canadian 0-Series production has been cancelled outright, and we don't know what's going on with any of the other 0-Series EVs.
Honda is not on a "0% EV trajectory", that's just outright false.
SnootDoctor@reddit
Afeela (Honda-Sony partnership) EVs were also cancelled, 0 Series Alpha isn’t going to be sold in the US.
Recoil42@reddit
Yes, the US is the crucial variable here, and what's happening in the US is only one part of a more complicated global story.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
Can you blame them? The demand wasn’t there to begin with.
invol713@reddit
People want choice. So they swing the other way, and still eliminate choice? 🤦♂️
elremeithi@reddit
Honda ICE engines are the cream of the crop. Dont stop making them, Honda.
nondescriptzombie@reddit
They literally differentiate themselves by making more ICE than any other company on Earth.
And they're the gold standard for small gas engines. Every gas powered tool is running a clone of a Honda engine.
J1mj0hns0n@reddit
That's what I said when they first mentioned it.
World leader in making profitable reliable engines who defeats most of the competition changes business plan to adopt experimental tech.... What
Angry_Homer@reddit
As opposed to the wonderful powertrains they're putting out now like the 1.5T
ctn91@reddit
I do. They’d probably be normal and less “how do you do fellow kids?”
Bullshit-_-Man@reddit
Crazy. I really like electric cars, but they’re appliances. Nothing beats the mechanical idiosyncrasies of an ICE car
jse000@reddit
Depending on the use case, agreed.
A good electric sports car doesn't seem viable outside of China at this point.
Bullshit-_-Man@reddit
Each to their own man, I guess is the difference between Guitar Hero and real Guitar - both are fun but one takes a huge amount more tactility which makes it way more satisfying.
PotatoGamerXxXx@reddit
Lmao that's just a silly comparison. Guitar hero doesn't make music, a real guitar does.
Snoo93079@reddit
Reminder that 90% of the ICE cars on the road are appliances. And EVs make better appliance cars than ICE
PotatoGamerXxXx@reddit
More like 99.9%
LordofSpheres@reddit
Man, nothing gets me going like the pleasant drone of a Jeep Compass. Just... woah, you know? Every time one drives past me in traffic I get jealous of the mechanical idiosyncrasies.
SizeableFowl@reddit
No, they want GM EVs licensed by Honda
Snoo93079@reddit
Did you respond to the wrong comment?
SnootDoctor@reddit
No, they don’t want exclusively electric cars.
They just don’t want Honda killing off entire new product lines. Give customers the option for a Honda/Afeela EV.
Bullshit-_-Man@reddit
OP replied and said he does want entirely EV’s from Honda
eneka@reddit
https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-80046da63cbf9f2582c8895ecb0140f8-summary-of-2026-honda-business-briefing
Activehannes@reddit
Is this argument fair in context the the system collaps that is already happening right now due to climate change?
MomsNewBoyfriend69@reddit
Climate d o o m e r
Activehannes@reddit
Do you deny system collapse that are happening right now?
RedditPoster05@reddit
I just don’t get why they aren’t doing more hybrids. Yeah sure do a gas ridge line, type R, pilot but have hybrid options for the rest
phoenix823@reddit
Yeah I don't think abandoning a target 13 years out is a big deal.
Fresh-Challenge-2797@reddit
Saved billions by recognizing the populace is vehemently refusing EVs.
agnaddthddude@reddit
what populace? any where but backward USA electric cars are gaining traction. hell, let BYD sell those cheap cars and the USA automakers will disappear in a quarter
TealPotato@reddit
It's one of, if not the largest car market in the world. We tend to tend to drive more, as we have lots of rural areas that lack population density.
Range anxiety is real, and folks who live in an apartment or otherwise have to street park don't want to sacrifice a hour plus a week to sit at a public high speed charger.
agnaddthddude@reddit
you would not need to worry about range if you let the Chinese manufacturers in. they have both range extending EVs and they’re currently running super fast charging tests on many new models (the new MG3/5, Read an article that it can go from 2-90% in 8 minutes. and supposedly can do 500km of range easily) they also have hybrids too.
we need to phase out the idea that waiting for 10 minutes to charge up our cars is unacceptable while we turn a blind eye to the filth that comes out of exhaust pipes. reality is we simply have to accept and live with sacrificing a few hours every now and then until the technology evolves.
(and before you judge me by my flair im actually waiting for the EV Range Rover to be announced)
WATTHEBALL@reddit
What are you and people like you not understanding here? Go look at a city like Toronto where there's a HUGE population who lives downtown in condos. Now you go and tell me how many of those condos have charging stations. Out of the ones that do - how many do they have 10? If that?
Where else will all those condo dwellers charge? Hmm..ok let's see - pay $20 for a parking garage where there's only max 40ish charging stations?
Man you all are such children I feel. Can you not see the glaring infrastructure problems here? Nowhere else in the world is like China where they have a massive population (literally orders of magnitude more than any other country) AND they've specifically been planning for this by updating their infrastructure for the last 20 something years. It works there.
It absolutely does not come even close to being a mass adopted thing in North America and it won't for a minimum of 10+ years.
Just because more people are buying EV's doesn't mean it's a scalable endeavour atm. People who buy EV's likely have them as their second car, or they have home charging - which leaves out a huge swath of people living in apartments and condos.
Then you take into account how many chargers absolutely suck and stop working and are riddled with issues.
This childesque vision of an EV world around the corner needs to stop. It's great that you want that but look at it through the lense of actual reality. It may come but not soon.
agnaddthddude@reddit
Do you know how Infrastructure is built? it’s not all in one push. unless it’s for war. it’s a gradual process with a slow but sure transition. No one has said Canada or US has to go under a massive multi trillion infrastructure plan to go back ahead. all they simply have to do is fasten the current process a bit and make regulations favourable to EVs.
I don’t get your point. There is an Infrastructure problem for sure. but it’s absolutely solvable. are you suggesting that just because a few countries couldn’t see the future like China did, they should stop and stick with ICE? because it reads like that.
And by the way. I don’t know what is your definition of soon. but within the next decade EVs will indefinitely become as popular as ICE in the world.
WATTHEBALL@reddit
Im not going to be the guinea pig for EVs while governments continue to fuck around with their infrastructure plans.
For people who want to be go ahead but to act like everyone should be jumping on board EVs and that they're for everyone is childish thinking because the ground reality is nowhere near that.
Look at how many major manufacturers rolled back their EV plans because the demand wasnt at all what they thought it was.
To think this will change in 10 years is laughable. Especially in North America the biggest car market on the planet.
agnaddthddude@reddit
demand wasn’t all that because every single one was at least 15k more expensive then they were worth even with rebates.
Tesla sells and it’s worth the money.
WATTHEBALL@reddit
Exactly so what does that tell you? lol EV's are not there yet and won't be for at least another decade, likely more.
Unless there is a massive push to expedite MAJOR government infrastructure upgrades but that's wishful thinking so 10+ years is the likely timeline.
LordofSpheres@reddit
Where do they get their gas? Could it possibly be that they could move from using corporate-based gas infrastructure to corporate-based charging infrastructure?
WATTHEBALL@reddit
wat.exe
Filling up a car with gas takes how many minutes? Go to plugshare and tell me how many stations you see in downtown toronto that are in parking lots that cost $20 to get into lol
LordofSpheres@reddit
Filling up a car with gas takes probably 5-10 minutes, depending. Charging an EV takes... 20? It's not long.
Now imagine what would happen to gas stations if demand started to shift towards charging instead. Would they choose to die? Or could they choose to open a few charging spots outside of those $20 parking lots... perhaps to compete with them while serving customers... perhaps in some sort of business...
WATTHEBALL@reddit
You're talking hypothetical. Thats not reality. Reality is charging here is sparse, takes a long time and not reliable.
Nobody is thinking about the psyche of most north Americans and that's range anxiety. Most people still have it and dont see the jump to an expensive EV as worth it.
Not to mention all EVs are some 12 year olds idea of what "the future" is like. Aka some horrible software defined vehicle that can be completely controlled and overly complex and centralized points of failure.
mehdotdotdotdot@reddit
Those poor North Americans. We just have to give them time and they will figure it out themselves. Eventually they will get used to new things.
LordofSpheres@reddit
I'm pointing out that saying "waaah no infrastructure" is ignoring the fact that infrastructure exists to serve the needs of the populace, so a populace demanding charging will pretty quickly get that demand met.
Many people have range anxiety. Many people also have fewer than $500 in savings. We can't base everything off of those people. Also, EVs are becoming cheaper and longer-ranged every year.
There are also plenty of normal, sober EVs, at least ones which look normal outside and in. And if you're concerned about overly complicated, overly-connected vehicles... I have some bad news for you about the ICE market.
WATTHEBALL@reddit
Yea, we're in a new malaise era. Modern cars are largely a joke with manufacturers centralizing everything into a widescreen on wheels and the mouthbreathers who buy them thinking they're getting something good - only it's worse, much worse.
Anyway, I am not anti-EV, I'd personally love to have a EV but I'm not a guy who buys new cars because I think it's a financial no-no. If I look at 10 year old used EV's, the only real viable option is a Tesla - which I hate. The minimalist interior with a centralizsed screen and no buttons/knobs? Fuck everything about it and it's why I think Tesla ushered in the new malaise era with their horrible interiors and gimmicky bullshit.
Modern cars - whether ICE or not are largely bloatware. I'm not talking about going back to crank windows nor am I a luddite.
Tech for the sake of tech is bad, and that's what most modern cars are. Illogically designed, half-assed execution we really did go downhill over the last 10 years.
LordofSpheres@reddit
These are all fair points. I don't buy new cars because I'm broke, and I don't like most of them anyways. But for the average person, for their average week, an EV is plenty good enough. And most of them like the screens and the controls. What you or I think about that doesn't drive the market, for better or worse.
phoenix823@reddit
I’ve got bad news for you. I live in a northeastern city full of apartments and condos and EV uptake keeps increasing. All the municipal garages have chargers. Most of the private garages have chargers. The city put chargers out on the street every four or five blocks. This is much more feasible today than you might think.
cabs84@reddit
exactly. all these people complaining about an extra hour or so on a road trip day but forgetting about all of the time saved on weekly stops for gas. you're already budgeting the time on a road trip, it really isn't that bad to have to stop for a bit every few hours. (and i say this driving an EV with known awful range - and yes, i've taken it on many road trips at this point)
TealPotato@reddit
I'm with you on tailpipe emissions, but I would like to point out that a lot of the popular EVs (in the US at least, such as Rivian), are very heavy and eat through tires. Tires have micro plastics and other icky things that don't just disappear.
We also don't have the grid capacity for all of these chargers. I'd greatly prefer that US tax dollars go towards building a new/better grid instead of incentives to buy new EVs.
Also letting the Chinese cars come in to nuke the domestic US automakers sales is political and economic suicide, at least in the short term.
I'm uncomfortable with hybrids as I don't want to pay to maintain two different power train systems. My understanding is that if a hybrid battery fails when the car is old/out of warranty, if it results in a check engine light the car will fail emissions in my state (Illinois) and therefore wouldn't be road legal, even if the car drives just fine on gas only.
craiggers14@reddit
I've heard this argument before and I don't see any logic behind it. Gas vehicles are heavy too. Driven the same way, a 6,000lb Ford F150 is going to burn through tires just as fast as a 6,000lb Rivian, creating the same amount of rubber tire particulates.
They also create much higher levels of particulates from brake dust vs EVs because EVs use regen in the electric motors to slow the vehicle down. Many stories out there of brake pads on EVs lasting over 100k miles.
phoenix823@reddit
I don't think letting Chinese cars in would destroy the domestic car market. Like you said yourself, Americans drive more and are more rural than other countries. Let the American manufacturers keep making gas cars and hybrids and let the Chinese electrics fend for themselves. That's the free market.
I'm a big PHEV fan. The drivetrain in my Lexus is so much simpler than gas-only vehicles. I get 35 miles on a charge which is plenty to go around town, I only need to plug it in once a week (usually when I'm shopping) and that's convenient where I live even though I use public chargers.
Car-face@reddit
It's the cars for backwards USA they're cancelling. They're still launching EVs in Europe and other markets.
As backwards as the US is, it's a large market for Honda - makes zero sense to chase a 100% EV target in a country that is proving to be openly hostile to that concept, when that country is your biggest market.
If there's one thing the slower EV transition has proved over the last decade, it's that you still need to build what the market wants. Subsidies, credits, etc. can help stretch that rubber band towards EVs, but the more you pull the harder it gets - and if you pull too hard you risk it snapping back and people pushing the other way.
phoenix823@reddit
Yeah the US market isn't going to look like the global market in 2040.
mehdotdotdotdot@reddit
Yep, given how far other companies have come with ev in the last decade, I’m sure Honda can wing it lol
phoenix823@reddit
Yeah technology certainly hasn't gotten any better since the original Prius!
mehdotdotdotdot@reddit
That was hybrid, look at how bev has changed and how affordable they are now. Current battery tech outlasts mechanical ice parts which is insane. Some makers are trying to catch up but really struggling, imagine when Honda starts, how far everyone else will new ahead of them
nondescriptzombie@reddit
Citation needed.
My dad got his 1980's Nissan truck up to 750k without a single engine or transmission replacement.
phoenix823@reddit
I could just as easily imagine Honda deciding that there are too many other companies making BEVs and decide personal autos were no longer worth it. Let's face it if everyone goes BEV there's no reason to have 75% of the car companies we've got today. I mean, if I could get a BEV Toyota, Mercedes, Kia, or Chevy do I really need Honda to exist as well?
Activehannes@reddit
Do you know just how many car companies in china were created just to make electors cars?
There are several dozens. I couldn't list them all if I tried
mehdotdotdotdot@reddit
I mean the same goes for ICE cars, why did we ever need that many companies
phoenix823@reddit
No. Lol
mehdotdotdotdot@reddit
No what?
TurboFucked@reddit
There are 2026 model cars which will be sold in 2040 without much change.
13 years is on the young side of a platform generation right now, with some companies managing 20 out of platforms with minor revisions.
Simon_787@reddit
Probably only fossil cars though, and god knows how they will perform in the market considering that fossil tech is declining globally, despite subsidies.
phoenix823@reddit
Which is fine. "Fully electric" means 100%. They can be 80% electric and miss that target. That's the point of not mandating 100% electric.
WayneDwade@reddit
13 years? 2040 is… fuck me it is
stakoverflo@reddit
We're closer to 2050 than 2000!
Word_Underscore@reddit
stop lol
cat_prophecy@reddit
"they're stopping the tax credits and no one will pay full price for our electric cars".
snoo-boop@reddit
That's OK, there are other companies making EVs that sell well even without tax credits.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
I don't think that word would apply in most world, it's basically about their biggest car market North America. It's politic issue from America, but many countries don't.
pithy_pun@reddit
Given how fast the world is changing having any 100% target by a certain time seems foolhardy.
That said, 2040 is 24 years from now. In comparison, the Model S debuted 14 years ago, so that period plus a decade is the horizon we're talking about. In that time EV sales went from basically 0% to >25% worldwide and >50% in China, the biggest auto market by far. China is now exporting more EVs than gas cars, while also flooding the world market with cheap solar, wind and batteries. And US petroleum demand has stagnated since a peak in \~2007.
And we are undergoing a seismic geopolitcal shift for oil markets in the form of the Strait of Hormuz closure that makes any oil/gasoline bet highly risky. All the growth areas of the world are incentivized to shift away from oil/gasoline as fast as possible for national and economic security reasons.
With all that, it's a better bet that by 2040 - a quarter century from now - we'll be closer to 100% EV sales rather than stagnating or going to zero. So why is Honda messaging a full pullback from EVs, while their more successful rival is releasing new EV models regularly?
Recoil42@reddit
Honda isn't messaging a full pullback from EVs. The 0 Alpha is continuing. The N-One is continuing. The e:N2 is continuing.
Toyota is in a pull-back phase too. They're still releasing, but Toyota absolutely has pulled back; there are a number of news stories about this. Note that Toyota also has much more exposure to the European and Chinese markets.
I'm not saying Honda's made every play right here, but the situation is much more complicated than the black and white everyone seems to want it to be.
eneka@reddit
yup, direct from the source.
https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-80046da63cbf9f2582c8895ecb0140f8-summary-of-2026-honda-business-briefing
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
Toyota is the least tech forward car company around these days. They are a follower, not a leader. They’ve come a long way in the last 20 years.
lumpialarry@reddit
Does no one remember how shit the first Bz4x was? The newest Bz is much more competitive but I think if it has strong sales its because more of the Toyota name than on its merits.
Recoil42@reddit
Toyota is incredibly tech-forward. They just keep tech latched down until it is ready. You're talking about a company with some of the heaviest investments in flying cars, robotics, semiconductors, and electrification across the industry.
Clover-kun@reddit
Still waiting for Toyota to release tech that competes with a 14 year old Model S. I don't even mean for the era, I mean a literal 14 year old Model S that you can pick up for sub-$10k has a nicer infotainment system than our Toyota BZ
HeyyyyListennnnnn@reddit
Have you ever tried to use an original Model S infotainment recently or are you just getting your impression from old Tesla blogposts? There are multiple generations of processor lurking behind the big screen and only from 2018 onwards did the performance become the smoothish experience Tesla owners brag about.
The original processor couldn't keep up with what Tesla was asking of it by 2017, 3G-only connectivity no longer works and eMMC failure is a ticking time bomb.
Clover-kun@reddit
Have you used the BZ infotainment? Somehow just as slow with no route planning, with the added benefit of horrendous mid 2000s beeping every time you touch it. Phone as a key? Doesn't work. Basic app functionality? It'll all become a subscription feature after the trial period is over, not even BMW charges money for this
I'm getting real tired of Toyota glazing on this sub, and I'm literally a new Toyota owner
HeyyyyListennnnnn@reddit
Neither of which is an issue with the infotainment system.
And you exaggerate the slowness. Sure it isn't as smooth as the latest iPhone but it also isn't as slow as late-2010's Toyota infotainment systems. Your impression of slowness is skewed by your BMWs.
A 2013 Model S would drive you mad, the infotainment in that car was already outclassed by what BMW, Audi and Mercedes-Benz offered in 2016. One of the big Tesla customer complaints upon release of the Model 3 was how much better the Model 3 infotainment was compared to the more expensive Model S. The 2018 processor upgrade was much needed.
Clover-kun@reddit
Both are extensions of the infotainment system. Granted Tesla didn't have good phone as a key functionality until recently either, but it's a common enough feature now. I don't expect it to be BMW good, but it should be at least on par with what you can get with the 5+ year old Mustang Mach E
App functionality and route planning are basic features for EVs, also all extensions of the infotainment. Okay maybe it costs money to keep servers running and you don't want to pay for lifetime support like BMW, maybe at least give us other ways to remote start the car and start pre-heating/cooling the cabin? My BMWs let me do this with my keyfob in addition to the free-for-life app. My Toyota requires the app which is on a free trial for a subscription
Don't even get me started on route planning, which the Model S will still do today (as long as the car is connected to wifi)
The original claim was the Toyota is a tech forward company. Clearly they're not. The original claim also stated that they wait for tech to be ready before releasing it, well this tech's been around for over a decade and has been common among competing economy cars for the last half decade
snoo-boop@reddit
I own one of those cars, and negative picture you paint is not my experience. I bought the 4G update ($200), and the eMMC was replaced in a recall.
How old is your Model S?
HeyyyyListennnnnn@reddit
It's 2026 now. Are we really still doing the "Have you driven one?" Tesla defense?
Tesla's MCU1 performance issues are well documented. Let's not do this.
Recoil42@reddit
Rose-coloured glasses. The original Model S had infotainment so bad they were all replaced for display bubbling and eMMC corruption issues.
Yankee831@reddit
Yeah they launched something cutting edge though and learned. Toyota won’t launch anything until it’s well obsolete.
snoo-boop@reddit
I own one of those, and it wasn't awful -- mobile service came to me.
I know you're a long-time hater, notoriously so, but can you just stop?
PurpleSausage77@reddit
Yes those were the early MCU1 units, but luckily there are factory upgrade replacements to MCU2 (2018+) with a much better Intel or Invidia card. Pretty much have to do the upgrade, otherwise it’s like you are stuck in 2012. Slow, buggy, crashes.
Clover-kun@reddit
And it's still less awful to use than the BZ's system. The entire thing would be redeemable if phone projection wasn't a thing. Completely unacceptable for a car in 2026
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
That was 15-20 years ago. Back then, you still bought TVs and electronics from Japanese manufacturers too. A lot has changed since then. Toyota has gone from a tech leader to a Luddite.
Recoil42@reddit
That's literally all now, dawg.
Yankee831@reddit
Talk to me when they’re viable products that are not far behind other companies that launched years ago. Nothing you mentioned is something actually ahead of anything. Most is just playing catchup.
Yankee831@reddit
Tech forward except their products… shit in a lab is irrelevant unless you field it. I can’t think of a single Toyota tech that was cutting edge since the Prius.
Simon_787@reddit
EV sales would already be much higher if we didn't subsidize the damages of climate change and had CO2 emitters pay for them instead.
A bigger shift towards EVs is completely inevitable, and we would already be there if we consistently listened to economists and climate scientists.
Lawsoffire@reddit
Here in Denmark, EV sales is already at 96%. It'll be 100% by law in 2030 (and in a few other EU countries), 2035 for the rest of the EU.
2040 being "not realistic" just doesn't seem to match reality, but i guess its just willful ignorance from Honda, considering how terrible their EV programs have been.
Mad-Twatter@reddit
2040 is only 14 years from now not 24 :(
BusinessWatercrees58@reddit
Holy shit that's close
bippos@reddit
Don’t remind us :(
pithy_pun@reddit
fixed the typo as soon as I hit submit. sorry for the stealth edit!
Yankee831@reddit
US oil demand is based on price. Above a certain threshold and a ton of supply becomes economically viable. Global demand has yet to peak.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
Love the Model S unit of time measurement. Within the time of the Model S they evolved it more in 14 years than the equivalent it took for ICE cars to evolve in 70-some years.
abattlescar@reddit
There are as many different parts between the first Model S and the last as there are between a 1965 Mustang and an S550 Mustang
HeyyyyListennnnnn@reddit
Are you American? Honda is not Toyota's rival, they're a much smaller company with very different global exposure. The USA is more or less Honda's only significant foreign market, so strategic decisions (rightly or wrongly) will be made with a heavy weighting given to US market demands. Honda's biggest EV push was to be US-based, so with US-demand in constant flux it makes sense to put that on hold to focus on EV's in lower risk markets.
The US is still an important market to Toyota, but not so much that Toyota can't segregate the US market from rest of world (see Sequoia, Tundra, Tacoma, and 4Runner for example) and Toyota's global scale can absorb US BEV demand fluctuations much better than Honda.
It can be argued that Honda's US-centric approach is what got them into this mess in the first place, but that's not something that can be undone in less than 10 years and there were other complicating events that lead Honda down that garden path.
icona_@reddit
that model S fact is wild to think about!
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
The US has more natural gas than oil. It makes sense to switch to EVs in the US too.
Vhozite@reddit
2040 is 14 years away. 13 years, ~6.5 months I guess
eneka@reddit
They're focusing on increasing their hybrid production cabilities fro the near future. Long term goals they'll still be working on EVs.
https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-corporate/releases/release-80046da63cbf9f2582c8895ecb0140f8-summary-of-2026-honda-business-briefing
Bubbafett33@reddit
No kidding. Battery and renewable tech/infrastructure/cost needs to dramatically improve before we can wave the “fully electric” wand.
wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit
No it dont
Bubbafett33@reddit
Buy a solar array for your home, a charger and an electric car for your garage without relying on government handouts funded by taxpayers and tell us again how we’re ready to go all electric because that was so cheap.
Buy an electric pickup truck (best selling vehicle type in North America), and tow anything anywhere and tell us about your experience in un-hitching at a mall 20Km out of your way to charge for 48 minutes…for every 150 km driven. Then report back.
The only valid use-case today for an EV is as a second vehicle for urban commuting for people that don’t have to park in public. Or those living in countries so small that a three hour drive would have you in an ocean or crossing a border. We have a ways to go for all the other vehicles you see on the freeway.
We’ll get there…just not anywhere close yet.
wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit
Already have.
Winbot4t2@reddit
Best he can do is downvote you and move on!
SandersDelendaEst@reddit
China is 50% electric. I don’t think this is true
Watermeloncholy@reddit
Yes, because they subsidized the shit of the EV market and built infrastructure up like crazy.
snoo-boop@reddit
Yep, and it's had a positive effect on clean air and importing less oil.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
There might be some corner of the world that hasn’t gone totally electric by 2040 but with the rate that Chinese manufacturers are dominating and other new car manufacturers are going electric, that seems unlikely. They will likely be left behind. Japan used to be the leader in TVs and electronics, but when’s the last time you thought about buying a Japanese TV?
RedditPoster05@reddit
I think you’re way off especially USA. Yes we my hit 50% EVs on the road but I can’t see much higher that that in 14 years. A quick google search says 5-6% of cars world wide is all electric.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
I’m referring to new cars on sale in 2040. Of course, people will be driving old ICE cars.
RedditPoster05@reddit
Fair point I should have searched that . 25% are new world wide , Europe hits world wide average , USA is at 10%. I don’t buy near 100% by 2040. Yes countries like china could hit that , I think a couple Nordic countries will too. World wide no way. I think 50-60% is much more likely.
KSoMA@reddit
14 years ago there were 3 or 4 EVs for sale (at a notable scale) period. The Model S didn't exist 14 years ago and that's actually what brought us to this discussion altogether.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
Read up on the speed that China is going country-by-country in Africa with EVs.
Clover-kun@reddit
The US is going to be that corner of the world, where people may visit and look at how antiquated everything is
TripleShotPls@reddit
Man alive, legacy automakers are going to have a rough go at it in the next decade.
woofyyyyyy@reddit
That’s just smart business. If your customers don’t want EVs, it’s not a great idea to try to convert your entire line to that.
andyb521740@reddit
I don't think its a lack of want for EVs, its they are too damn expensive for your average consumer
Clover-kun@reddit
Model 3 is now 40k CAD in Canada, that's $29k USD
woofyyyyyy@reddit
I could see that. I also have a model Y so I’m not under any illusion that they’re affordable.
Also, gotta love it when people disagree but won’t contribute any reasoning why lol (not referring to you)
TrainingGrape540@reddit
Great now make a Prelude Type R with hybrid 2.0T and make it under 55k
Clover-kun@reddit
"Best I can do is a Civic Hybrid Coupe for $60k" -Honda, probably
Winbot4t2@reddit
I’d even settle for an SI with at least 230hp.
DarkMatterM4@reddit
6 speed manual over a hybrid for me please, Honda.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit (OP)
Would be cool, but I highly doubt it would be <$55k.
hawkeyes007@reddit
Now bring back the lawn mowers
uselessartist@reddit
Switched to electric, so much cleaner and quieter.
Spicywolff@reddit
Honestly yah. For most homeowners, especially the suburbs electric lawnmowers would be way better. Makita makes a good one in both entry-level and commercial duty steel deck. I already have the batteries for my power tools.
No more having to go pick up gas and store fuel or do small engine repair
SandersDelendaEst@reddit
My experience was different. My electric lawnmower was complete crap. I ditched it for a Honda with substantially more power, and no regrets.
Clover-kun@reddit
18v? 40v? 80v? The 40v stuff makes the 18v stuff look like cheap toys, the 80v stuff makes gas stuff look weak.
RedditPoster05@reddit
I personally don’t think the mowers are ready yet, weed eaters and blowers aren’t bad at all as long as you have enough batteries. Out of curiosity what brand did you have
cubs223425@reddit
Yeah, I've got an electric trimmer (DeWalt) that I received as a gift. I'm pretty torn on it. Weight isn't bad and it does its job, but the stock battery is terrible. The runtime is 20-30 minutes, and I don't use the high-speed mode for anything. I was given a chainsaw that uses the same battery, so I can at least charge one while using the other, but the need to stop, go inside, and swap the batteries is really annoying. It's not bad enough to go buy a gas one, but it's annoying enough that if it broke, I'd at least look at gas options. I'd definitely pick a different brand though.
RedditPoster05@reddit
I use to sell dewalts , I wasn’t impressed with them. The ergos aren’t great as of 5 years ago models . If you can swing it the higher amp hour batteries are better but expensive that’s where the money is at though so you may as well buy another tool you already want with the battery.
cubs223425@reddit
This has been my biggest annoyance with electric ANYTHING. The vendor lock-in is horrible. I'm not a brand snob; I want quality stuff. If you make a goot trimmer, I'll buy it. However, I don't want to then deal with pressure to buy your absolute garbage leafblower (as an example) because the battery matches, nor do I want to deal with managing several battery brands and chargers.
Like most of these things, we desperately need an agreeable solution between vendors to have a common connector. It's happened with other product lines over the years, but electric tools have been one of the worst offenders of not getting in line.
RedditPoster05@reddit
I mean look at this hard to tell if these are truly comparable but the price difference is crazy. Found the same with dewalt but it was the 18v model which shouldn’t be all that different than the US 20v . I’m guessing Milwaukee or snap on doesn’t own the 18v battery plat form there . I can’t remember who sued who in all that .
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18V-LXT-Lithium-Ion-High-Capacity-Battery-Pack-5-0Ah-with-Fuel-Gauge-BL1850B/206607848
Uk popular tool website.
https://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-632f15-1-18v-5-0ah-li-ion-lxt-battery/2721v
cubs223425@reddit
I think those are the same, and one of the links is a different iteration of the product. You can search tyhe model number on the Home Depot site and find that exact one anyway: https://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-bl1850b-18v-5-0ah-li-ion-lxt-battery/676yx
IDK if it's Home Depot or what. The UK price is about $93 USD, when converted. You can look the battery model up on Amazon (US) and find it at $92: https://www.amazon.com/Makita-BL1850B-Lithium-Ion-5-0Ah-Battery/dp/B015PVD9UQ
RedditPoster05@reddit
Amazons batteries aren’t from authorized dealers . So they will be a mix of fakes, returns, or unsold. Thats why the prices are so low
RedditPoster05@reddit
The agreeable solution is allowing adapters or lowering prices on batteries. If you go to other countries the batteries are typically cheaper where as most goods US typically has better prices. Not sure why though, I have heard from European tool consumers that’s even changing there here on Reddit like r/tools . My guess is the same companies that sell here are or were afraid of consumer protections kicking in and forcing something on manufacturers. That or they figure they have a justifiable excuse thanks to batteries being in big demand from other rechargeable goods and car companies.
SandersDelendaEst@reddit
Ryobi. I truly hated it.
lowstrife@reddit
If you got the one with lead acid batteries, then that isn't surprising. It's not worth the metal it's made out of.
Needs to be lithium ion or you're wasting your money.
RedditPoster05@reddit
Yeah, they put out some grade A, BS sometimes. The crazy part is they’re probably are some decent battery powered mowers that are OK in Ryobi’s lineup but they are constantly upgrading and downgrading them it’s hard to find which one is nice . I stilll wouldn’t want to own one even if I could find it.
Spicywolff@reddit
Which did you have? What kind of conditions did you use it for?
SandersDelendaEst@reddit
I had a ryobi. It was a disaster
Spicywolff@reddit
Ryobi has amazing and vast ecosystem. But they are home owners grade. So not very durable stuff vs dewalt Makita and sister brand of ryobi Milwaukee. Mower not lasting long is kinda expected.
Makita makes commercial grade electrics that hold Up to the use. But $$$ vs affordable Ryobi
SandersDelendaEst@reddit
That's good to know. I already put down the money for a Honda...
Spicywolff@reddit
I’d be a ok with a Honda too. Their generators rock and are quiet
ghostpicnic@reddit
As long as you get a rechargeable cordless one. We had a wired one growing up and it was the most annoying BS trying to manage the cable while moving the mower around.
FMJoey325@reddit
I have a dogshit cheap black and decker battery one and it’s so much lighter and easier to use than my gas mower. It’s not as powerful but it gets the job done well enough that I have no complaints.
w3stvirginia@reddit
It seems to all come down to what model you buy. I have a Milwaukee mower I got on sale. It’s really heavy and honestly doesn’t seem as easy to maneuver as my old gas one. It’s got plenty of power and battery capacity though. I would buy another electric mower for sure; I don’t know about this particular model though.
Salt-Plankton436@reddit
Yeah they were annoying. I upgraded to rabbits.
OO_Ben@reddit
Oh man I couldn't imagine trying to do a corded one. I'd probably run it over on accident lol
PurpleSausage77@reddit
I had a whole system for cord management when I was a kid running those things.
My grandparents also had a battery operated unit that actually held up to the task and also propelled it and that was back all the way in 2004-2008 so it must’ve been a hefty NiCAD thing.
Spicywolff@reddit
Totally cordless is the way to go. I upgraded my fleet to Makita cordless and my cord power tools are just sitting gathering dust. At this point, I’m gonna donate him to Habitat for Humanity so they can use them on job sites.
TealPotato@reddit
I love how quiet the electric ones are!
You'd think that the gas OPE manufacturers would make better attempts at making quieter equipment to stay competitive.
Spicywolff@reddit
Same. I hate the sound of a loud 2 stroke in the AM. riding commercial mowers are acceptable noise but consumer push are very loud. Some models excluding.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
I have my eyes on a Milwaukee mower. I can use my M18 batteries that I already use for work/other home stuff like my M18 blower.
Spicywolff@reddit
I haven’t had experience with their mower or lawn products except a leaf blower. It would be a great combo for your ecosystem since you already have the batteries. No sense in spending more money on a brand new ecosystem for just a mower.
MotelSans17@reddit
My lawnmower is the first thing I switched to battery powered when I could. So much better. Quiet, smooth, no smell, always starts, no oil changes, no need to keep a Jerry can of fuel in the shed.
ConfusedTapeworm@reddit
But what is the point? Why even mow the lawn if you can't wake up the entire neighborhood at 6:30 on a sunday morning?
cubs223425@reddit
But the battery basically costs as much as a new mower, and the runtime isn't sufficient for those with larger yards.
I ended up with a gas one because the electric's runtime wouldn't cover mowing my yard. It was about 75% of what I'd need, and buying a second battery was over $300, while the gas mower was $500 total.
uselessartist@reddit
Yeah makes sense
cubs223425@reddit
Must be something wrong with the mower you were using. I've never had an issue of smelling like gas from mine. Granted, I always shower right after mowing. I have long hair, so I smell like basically ANYTHING I do or go near, but my mower's never caused that. As far as the noise, I always wear earphones anyway.
Umbra427@reddit
I want one powered by clean-burning propane I tell you hwut
avoidhugeships@reddit
Me too. Unfortunately it does not cut as well, costs a lot more and can't finish my 1/4 acre lot without recharging. I still like it but there are compromises.
LongjumpingLock5875@reddit (OP)
I was at a Honda motorcycle dealer a few months ago, and saw a autonomous lawn mower.
That would be amazing if it was decent. Didn't do much research into it though.
Tony-cums@reddit
And weaker.
OO_Ben@reddit
Bro I'm mowing Bermuda not harvesting wheat.
ramenmoodles@reddit
more more often
ToInfinity_MinusOne@reddit
They have way more torque. Just run out of juice fast.
OO_Ben@reddit
Yeah not gonna lie my electric lawn mower is awesome. I have the trimmer, blower, and edger too and they all work great. Way easier and cleaner than the old gas models. The only time I'm going back to gas is if I get a lawn that justifies a rider.
I went with Green Works if anyone is looking.
maxxor6868@reddit
The mowers suck. Loud and dirty as hell.
wiscotangofoxtreat@reddit
Same with the cars
Umbra427@reddit
SPEAK UP LIBEROLE
Safe_Presentation962@reddit
This planet is fucked
runway31@reddit
Yep, might as well enjoy the end with a NA V-8
Some_Conference2091@reddit
It's gonna be hard to compete with Chinese electric cars with their subsidy based production and economies of scale. They produce the most advanced battery technology and the highest quantity.
PurpleSausage77@reddit
This. It’s not a reflection on the EV industry. Just in the American market where Honda sells most of its vehicles…
They can’t compete with the Chinese so they aren’t even going to bother.
Lots of places outside North America are exploding in growth with affordable Chinese EVs. Few old legacy manufacturers can compete.
Some_Conference2091@reddit
They'll have to partner with Chinese producers to even stand a chance.
Dabclipers@reddit
Considering China's goal is to run all other car manufacturer's out of business, I don't see it as very likely they'll partner with anyone unless governments force them to.
PrawnProwler@reddit
I mean, they already were forced to in China. They have cars released through partnerships there already.
localtuned@reddit
Manufacturers better get to manufacturing.
fiah84@reddit
well have they tried putting an EV Civic on the market? no? gosh
d4ybrake@reddit
These deadlines literally mean nothing.. they just say whatever is best for their share price.
PossiblyAsian@reddit
2040 is only 14 years more
bro. 14 years ago 2012.... damn.
Cheap-RulandPope@reddit
honestly this makes sense. not everyone needs an EV right now and forcing a timeline doesn't work. my daily is 3 years old and gas still fits my life better — no charging anxiety, simpler maintenance i can actually do myself. the industry needs both paths, not one deadline for everyone
markeydarkey2@reddit
What complicated maintenance do you think EVs need?
Dreameater999@reddit
I don’t know, those windshield wipers can be pretty challenging.
leeta0028@reddit
Everybody with a brain knew it wasn't going to happen. 100% electric was a scam promoted by car and oil companies (hard to believe, I know but Saudi Aramco and Koch Industries were major investers in EVs while at the same working to make sure they never got adopted en-masse)
Rail is effectively the only way to electrify travel and reduce emissions fast enough. Cars will go full hybrid in the next decade (people don't realizethat's a very short amount of time in such a R&D and supply-chain heavy industry) and full EV probably in the next 30 years or so.
sri_peeta@reddit
2040 is just 14 years old. 14 years ago in 2012 and Tesla released their model S. It takes a couple of decade or so of R&D and trial and error to get a solid product out. If Honda has completely abandoned their EV strategy because of this short term hiccup, I do not see them being anywhere in the competition in 2040 for anything. Yeah, EV's might be 100% then, but they will be effectively won't even in competition for that market share. Currently in US EV's make up close to 8% of market share and this will only go up.
localtuned@reddit
They can't do it. Which is sad considering they made the CRX HF. Maybe they did that by accident.
LiquidFoxDesigns@reddit
It'll happen anyway regardless of what any auto manufacturer publicly states today. I work in the oil industry for a major player and know what the 10 year outlook is but most of the important numbers are public knowledge if anyone cared to google it. Short of a few middle eastern countries, the world will begin to struggle extracting oil in the next 3 to 7 years at our current consumption rate as we begin to bleed our reservoirs dry and lifting costs climb exponentially. People can keep clinging on to ICE powered vehicles as long as they want, just know that oil prices will likely triple or more within the next decade as global oil production becomes less diversified and OPEC becomes a monopoly.
abattlescar@reddit
As much as I want to see an crisis force the world to FINALLY make real strides in getting off the oil standard, we've heard that before, but then we invented fracking
andyb521740@reddit
I agree fully electric is not feasible by 2040.
In the end the consumer is going to be forced into EVs by either fuel prices or government regulations, no matter how much kicking and screaming Honda does.
Morbidly_Off_Piste@reddit
OK, now can they start making their lawnmowers again?
I'm kicking myself for selling my Honda and buying this piece of shit Ego mower that every YouTuber reviewer said was so awesome.
Physical_Pumpkin_913@reddit
Great because I bought an electric mower and I hate it . Still 10 to 15 years out in its ability to preform as well as gas going back to Honda next summer
RedditPoster05@reddit
Haven’t agree, parts of it are nice but they aren’t heavy enough , they aren’t durable enough and way under powered . Blowers and weed eaters aren’t bad though I personally like mine.
TrptJim@reddit
More battery, and being built-in, would fix much of that. Heavier weight, more current and power for the same runtime, beefy battery box as a structural component. Have it support lvl1 or 2 EV chargers. I expect the pricing would not be so attractive, though.
RedditPoster05@reddit
I have high hopes for the stuff Honda is bringing out. Not built in’s but way bigger batteries. Hoping that drives some of the market. Plus a metal deck . Makita has those too so they are coming . Then again a lot of gas mowers coming out of big box stores are pretty crap these days as well with plastic decks and cheaper end Briggs Stratton engines or no name engines . The mower shops have way better selection for not much more money. I bet they’ll become like vacuum dealers in a few years where if you know you know
KeyboardGunner@reddit
Why do you want your mower to be heavier?
RedditPoster05@reddit
Better traction, better cut, handles thicker has better.
KeyboardGunner@reddit
Interesting, can't say as I notice a difference. I agree about power though. My electric mowers have all struggled in the thick uneven stuff where gas worked fine.
RedditPoster05@reddit
I got an electric mower at my mother in laws where I occasionally cut her grass. It’s the Ego line and it just doesn’t sink in enough because it’s so light and her grass is pretty lush. Then the wheels are like this weird mostly plastic /rubber mix, idk why they don’t use normal wheels.
Local_Chain4484@reddit
honestly not surprised at all. the 2040 goal always felt like it was just for headlines. gas engines aren't going anywhere for a while, especially in markets where EV infrastructure is basically nonexistent
Atrampoline@reddit
It never was, and no one wants a fully electric future.
Interesting_Luck_342@reddit
Electric cars suck and Japan is smart enough to see that
Leading-Race9202@reddit
The rest of the world disagrees, the tech in EV coming out of china is advancing incredibly fast.
Once someone makes Solid state batteries cheaper to mass produce it’s over for most combustion motors.
Solid state batteries have massive mile ranges and charge quickly.
ledfrisby@reddit
I don't even think solid state is a prerequisite. Current-gen LFP tech (think BYD Blade 2) is affordable, safe, incredibly fast-charging, and durable, with generous range. Even if the battery is exported and the car assembled outside of China, the total cost of ownership is clearly in favor of these over ICE. IMO the main limiting factor for faster adoption is charging infrastructure, which we also have the tech for right now, and of course, some commuters can slow charge at home overnight.
The LFP cost per kWh curve is likely going to start slowing down over the next couple of years (raw material costs create a certain floor), but it's not stopping. If the economic and practical advantage for current-gen is already there, 5-10 years down the road, (daily) driving an ICE vehicle is going to seem financially wasteful. That's also probably around when you start seeing sodium-ion start to overtake LFP for cost per kWh on the budget side, and solid state hitting the mass market on the high end.
pithy_pun@reddit
Toyota is releasing new EV models regularly. Like the Lexus TZ and Highlander EVs they just announced
vw18t@reddit
Which is basically a 3XL version of the Toyota BZ they all use the same platform which wasn’t even designed from the ground up as an EV platform it’s a variant on the TNGA platform.
Ok-Improvement-3670@reddit
You’re going to be blown away if you ever actually decide to test drive a good EV.
Traxious@reddit
elaborate…😂 statistically superior to gas
Dominathan@reddit
We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas!
mustangfan12@reddit
They haven't even tried to make their own EV
boomerangchampion@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_e
mustangfan12@reddit
They have built some EVs, but in America they're hardly tried to release a mainstream EV or a long range one.
All we got was the Acura ZDX and Prologue which were just rebadged GM EVs. We were supposed to get the Afeela and 0 Series EVs but at the very final moment they killed them
Recoil42@reddit
That's because the US government killed all incentives.
ViperThreat@reddit
To the surprise of absolutely nobody.
Latios19@reddit
Idk what was the idiotic giga plans for car companies to eradicate gas vehicles and go all electric. It’s ok to offer both of the powertrains, there’s nothing terrible about that. But the reality is that the world moves with oil based energy so spending so much money and ignoring how bright the sun is, was just a plan set up for failure.
DooceBigalo@reddit
hasnt this been the same news all year long?
costafilh0@reddit
Oh yeah baby!
WE ARE SO BACK
AMLRoss@reddit
"We cant do it, its too hard, so were just gonna let China win."
There, fixed it for ya.
furrynoy96@reddit
Good
Hywelthehorrible@reddit
Sounds like burning gasoline is a religion to you. Kind of strange but not unique.
V-Twin-broski@reddit
Based religion
Hywelthehorrible@reddit
A little pinheaded for my taste.
Tobs0789@reddit
Fair enough