NTSB releases study on drug presence trends among fatally injured pilots. Potentially impairing drugs found in more than 1 in 4 pilots
Posted by Brilliant_Night7643@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 55 comments
niklaswik@reddit
So much needs to be clarified here. What does "positive" mean, first of all? The rise in later years of "illicit drugs" makes me think it is trace amounts of THC found in people who use it medicinally or recreationally days before flying, meaning it has no impact on their performance.
Potentially impairing is also a very weak way to say it, this could probably be any medicine that has a label "maybe you shouldn't drive after taking this, unless you feel perfectly fine". People react differently to the same medicine.
Overall, I can't imagine using "imparing drugs" while/before flying being a widespread problem, that's what makes me highly doubt that the reality is as bad as this graph makes it seem.
Salsalito_Turkey@reddit
“Potentially impairing” could also be something pretty benign, like Zyrtec
rapzeh@reddit
Sounds like a legitimate consideration.
exxxtramint@reddit
legitimate consideration, sure, but misleading if that's what's being used for this graph. A HUGE amount of prescription drugs include this verbiage. Key point is "until you know how it affects you".
So basically, a large % of the pilots tooks stuff like Nyquil before they went to bed the night before flying, and it was still in their blood. Stuff like Nyquil loses it's effects after 8 hours or so, but stays in the bloodstream for up to 2 days.
Fredbear1775@reddit
NyQuil downs ATCs for 60 hours lol
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
Zyrtec is a 2nd gen antihistamine that barely crosses the blood brain barrier. It makes Benadryl look like a hard drug. It’s insane to call Zyrtec an impairing drug. The chance of something happening is so low, that any other substance with rare side effects would be comparably dangerous. This is just useless fear mongering. Alcohol is probably the biggest issue with pilots but even then I’d hardly call it a problem considering the stats.
Hiddencamper@reddit
The FAA has it on the no fly list.
And while I’ve never ever experienced drowsiness from Allegra or Claritin, every once in a while if I haven’t taken Zyrtec for a few weeks, when I take one I get mildly groggy. I haven’t been flying since my job change and that means Zyrtec is fair game for me. I only take them at night now to avoid that immediate drowsiness that sometimes happens.
SientoQueMerezcoMas@reddit
Or a fresh Zyn on an empty stomach
flyboychuckles@reddit
I remember getting my medical in the 90s and the FAA needing a special write up for Claritin 🙄
yabucek@reddit
Anti-histamines make me severely depressed. Took me years to figure it out, though it was just the allergies which soured my mood, but it turned out to be the pills.
Now I just suffer through the symptoms every year, but it's better than wanting to kill myself.
CardinalOfNYC@reddit
The headline is gonna make people think the high number is illicit drugs when that number is under 10%
"Potentially impairing" could be anything from benadryl to benzos
flying_wrenches@reddit
It’s Benadryl. The NTSB is freaking out over Benadryl and blood pressure meds
Pretty_Marsh@reddit
Benadryl’s actually pretty bad and stays in your system for awhile. There’s a reason the FAA doesn’t want you flying within a few days of taking it. One of those things that won’t kill you on its own but can make you a little slow on the uptake when stuff starts to go wrong.
That said, several of the “potentially impairing” medications and diagnoses are FAA approved, and most of the increase in “illicit drugs” are THC-related stuff. Again, not good, but it’s not like there’s a sudden increase in pilots like Denzel Washington’s “Flight” character.
CardinalOfNYC@reddit
Ah that seems a bit much. Especially bc they can affect people differently. The OTC Benadryl dose doesn't even make me drowsy.
flying_wrenches@reddit
They call themselves out because they specifically mention the drug name. It’s one thing if they say sedating medications, it’s another to say the brand.
“Shocking 42% of pilots found to have painkillers and not mentioned it to the FAA”.. you immediately lose all credibility when you say that the painkiller in question is Tylenol..
CardinalOfNYC@reddit
Tylenol? I'd be more worried about their livers than their flying. And I wouldn't be very worried about their livers lol
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
Weed makes your short term memory shit. It is 100% impairing long term.
KS_Gaming@reddit
Smoking a joint 20 days ago and getting it found out as weed takes eons to test negative after using it doesn't indicate an impairment.
SalesAndMarketing202@reddit
Yes it is. The shit makes you r**d
KS_Gaming@reddit
So you are just planning to make an assumption that they are all chronic smokers who smoked their brains off? That's just like assuming that someone who buys a can of beer in a supermarket is a hopeless yellow alcoholic.
rhineauto@reddit
'Positive' is defined as:
'Potentially impairing' is defined as:
Source: the main study https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Documents/SS1401.pdf
jackofnac@reddit
So yes. Zyrtec would be on the list. And this is pretty meaningless.
rhineauto@reddit
Might be worth reading the entire report and recommendations before deciding it includes Zyrtec and thus it’s meaningless
jackofnac@reddit
Zyrtec has that specific warning.
CaptainAurelien@reddit
« Potentially impairing » is the right phrasing. Hallucinogenic drugs have properties that sometimes result in the adverse effects taking place days afterwards.
Using drugs recreationally, or otherwise, in a manner that violates federal law and the mandatory questionnaire as part of First Class Medical Certificate issuance guidelines is pretty bad.
perkins82182@reddit
Can you read? The largest contributor was Benadryl. Not exactly illegal.
CaptainAurelien@reddit
Illegal to fly under Benadryl anyway!
dilemmaprisoner@reddit
Also, since the graph is as %, and the number of deaths are down during that time period, it's possible the the absolute number of "impaired" people has not gone up; if you divide the same number of impaired by a lower number of deaths, it's a higher percentage. (plus add in a higher number of drugs that are considered impairing, and the existance of test methods for those drugs that didn't exist before)
prex10@reddit
DayQuil is a no go drug in the FAAs eyes for what it's worth.
Kaffe-Mumriken@reddit
Look, you enjoy your 6am beers I get it
troglodyte@reddit
I'd be very curious to see this compared to a non-pilot population as a control. You'd probably have to match age and gender distribution, but otherwise random.
Obviously the absolute prevalence is important and I'm not trying to minimize that, but I suspect these would track pretty well with the general population. There have been a lot of changes since the 90s-- Zyrtec came out in 95, then went OTC in 2007; ACE inhibitors have grown dramatically; weed became legal in like half the states but not federally so it's probably still in that "illicit drugs" category, etc.
Also, where's kratom fall on this list? It's not prescribed, controlled, or illicit; it's rapidly increasing in popularity; and it's absolutely potentially impairing (though this is likely dosage dependant). I'm sure there are more in this category but this is the first one that sprang to mind.
Pretty_Marsh@reddit
Awhile back the NTSB recommended that the FAA do anonymized random drug testing with medical exams to establish a pilot population baseline. That didn’t get too far once the pilots unions and others got wind of it.
Discon777@reddit
To save everyone a click on the study itself, and also attempt to combat what could be seen as potentially a clickbait title for the post… It seems by far these “drugs” really are more like medications, likely taken with approval of a medical professional and the report pretty clearly states that presence of the medications doesn’t mean the pilots were actually impaired. Additionally it’s very important to note that the study also states the rates of the presence of “drugs” goes down as the operation goes up in professional level. Very important points!
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“Among drug categories identified, the most commonly detected included cardiovascular medications, sedating antihistamines, nonsedating over-the-counter drugs, cholesterol-lowering medications, prostate or erectile dysfunction drugs and illicit drugs.
Detection of potentially impairing drugs increased slightly to 28.6%, with the sedating antihistamine medication diphenhydramine remaining the most detected potentially impairing drug. Illicit drug detection increased to 7.4%, driven primarily by increases in delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC), the primary psychoactive chemical in marijuana.
Researchers also found that drug prevalence varied by pilot age, certification level and type of operation. Drug presence was lower among pilots conducting Part 135 operations than among those operating in general aviation, lower among pilots with an active medical certificate than pilots without an active medical certificate, and lower among pilots holding airline transport and commercial pilot certificates than among pilots holding private, sport or student certificates, or no certificate.
The report emphasizes that the presence of drugs identified through toxicology testing does not necessarily indicate pilot impairment.”
CouchGremlin14@reddit
I assume it’s mostly pilots with insomnia trying to avoid seeing a doctor/getting prescriptions?
Pretty_Marsh@reddit
Cold medicine more likely.
schastlivaya-zhizn@reddit
Worth noting that this is a percentage graph. The number of stoned pilots may as well have stayed the same, and we have got better at preventing fatal crashes from other causes.
flying_wrenches@reddit
TLDR: the NTSB is finding that more pilots have Benadryl ( diphenhydramine) in their system.
Blue_foot@reddit
It was weed
KS_Gaming@reddit
?
Blue_foot@reddit
> Detection of potentially impairing drugs increased slightly to 28.6%, with the sedating antihistamine medication diphenhydramine remaining the most detected potentially impairing drug. Illicit drug detection increased to 7.4%, driven primarily by increases in delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC), the primary psychoactive chemical in marijuana.
Benadryl and weed
Mountain_Fig_9253@reddit
From the actual NTSB report:
Potentially Impairing Drugs: This drug type included prescription and over-the-counter (OTC) drugs that, with typical therapeutic use, produce typical effects that could diminish a pilot’s cognitive or psychomotor performance. Illicit drugs and controlled substances were also included. Additionally, certain drugs not currently approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have typical psychoactive effects known to adversely affect cognitive and psychomotor performance. These drugs were also classified as potentially impairing.
Drugs Used to Treat Potentially Impairing Conditions: This drug type refers to drugs used to treat medical conditions that may affect a person’s performance. A conservative approach was taken to identify the drugs in this category, with attention to maintaining consistent classification with previous NTSB reports for ease of longitudinal comparison (NTSB 2020a, 2014). For example, although cold or allergy symptoms may impair performance, antihistamines and decongestants were not classified as indicating a potentially impairing condition. Drugs classified as indicating a potentially impairing condition included drugs used to treat depression, anxiety, seizures, migraines, and other neuropsychiatric conditions, as well as drugs used to treat nausea and vertigo, and sedating pain drugs. Among the cardiovascular drugs, only those primarily used to treat arrhythmias were classified as indicating a potentially impairing condition. Blood thinners and diabetes medications were not automatically classified as indicating a potentially impairing condition under the conservative assumptions of previous NTSB reports, and this was not changed
Although addiction to or withdrawal from illicit drugs may be impairing, illicit drugs (not used therapeutically) were not classified as indicating a potentially impairing condition. Although individuals may sometimes use FDA unapproved drugs in an attempt to treat symptoms of a medical condition, these drugs also were not classified as indicating a potentially impairing condition. No attempt was made to ascertain anything about the presence, degree, or success of treating any condition, and no attempt was made to ascertain if there was impairment at the time of the accident. 15 Section 2.1.3.2 of this report describes the specific drugs within the FDA unapproved drug category and whether they were considered potentially impairing. 16 A few drug classification changes were made to resolve minor inconsistencies within categories or between previous report iterations; these changes are noted in appendix A.
Safety Research Report Controlled Substances: All drugs that are federally regulated are divided into five schedules under the Controlled Substances Act based on the drug’s accepted medical use and potential for abuse or dependence. Drugs in Schedules II through V are available for medical use and for this research update were categorized as controlled substances. Examples include opioids used for pain treatment and benzodiazepines used to treat anxiety. All of the identified controlled substances were also classified as potentially impairing drugs. Illicit drugs (not used therapeutically), although controlled substances, were excluded from such classification for purposes of this report to keep the report’s discussion of controlled substances separate from the discussion of illicit drugs.
Illicit Drugs: This drug type, which also was a drug category as discussed in section 2.1.3.2 of this report, included Schedule I drugs that, according to the DEA, have “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.”18 Their use can lead to psychological or physical dependence. Examples include heroin and delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-THC), the primary psychoactive chemical in marijuana. In this research update, three Schedule II drugs—amphetamine, cocaine, and methamphetamine—and one Schedule III drug ketamine—were also defined as illicit when evidence indicated likely nonmedicinal use.
This research update did not otherwise evaluate whether drugs had been used illicitly. Illicit drugs were also classified as potentially impairing drugs. Importantly, pilots should not infer that they may safely or legally use a drug based on its classification in this report. Even drugs not classified under any of the above types may have impairing effects, may be used to treat impairing conditions, or may carry restrictions on use by pilots under FAA policy.
xdr567@reddit
what do they mean by potentially impairing drugs ? Did they include drugs that were detected in therapeutic concentrations ? As always, a reminder association does not imply causality. I am pretty sure polarized sunglass use or HUD displays and digital instruments also went up significantly over the same period of time but we would not attribute crashes to those.
GetOffMyGrassBrats@reddit
DashTrash21@reddit
Polarized sunglasses aren't a drug or illegal.
xdr567@reddit
That is correct. Neither is alprazolam or venlafaxine or bupropione or sertraline or diphenhydramine...in therapeutic concentrations.
DashTrash21@reddit
Those are all drugs, and for pilots (by the letter of the law, anyway) need to consult their aviation examiner before use.
gosmellatree@reddit
The point is that correlation does not equal causation
Waterlifer@reddit
I am skeptical that detectable but small amounts of diphenhydramine (Benadryl) are worthy of any pearl-clutching let alone inclusion in the "potentially impairing drugs" line on NTSB's report. Modern chemistry can detect any substance at tiny concentrations. Using Benadryl as directed a day or two before flying doesn't pose a hazard to aviation. Including it in the report is a distraction.
DashTrash21@reddit
Is the study pearl clutching?
Sowhataboutthisthing@reddit
That rise in illicit drugs.
redditpilot@reddit
Of course this is absolutely meaningless without a randomized control against pilots that were not fatally injured.
SpiderSlitScrotums@reddit
I wonder if the upward trend is simply due to increased safety. If less pilots are killed by mechanical or maintenance issues, it would be natural that drugs would increase in proportion, even if usage didn’t change.
Either_Lawfulness466@reddit
I read that as they tested positive for Zyrtec. Not exactly anything to get worked up about.
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