Bring back old grenades

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wasted-degrees@reddit

Part of why America uses round grenades is because of the popularity of baseball which made it a familiar shape thats easy for American men to throw, back in the days when baseball was a more common and popular national pastime time than shoving foreign objects up your ass.

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FMC_Speed@reddit

Especially when considering how hard it is to find a good lubricant in the field of battle

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Next-Use6943@reddit

Yeah, but we have the same ones in Europe and we don't play baseball

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DoubleBlade759@reddit

Huh that got me curious and it turns out the British made the first modern one

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entitledfanman@reddit

Its important to note that the American grenade/baseball thing isnt just about the shape. A round object that fits well in the palm of your hand is inherently a great shape for throwing. The US military went further, intentionally designing grenades to be as close as possible to the same weight as a baseball. It's simple but brilliant; it meant that most American men had spent hundreds of hours training up the skills and muscle memory for throwing this grenade before even starting basic training.

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Zac3d@reddit

And now they are using off the shelf Xbox controllers for submarine periscopes, drones, unnamed ground robots, etc.

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Adjective-Noun-6969@reddit

Same reason drones are controlled by xbox controllers.

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flyinchipmunk5@reddit

I’d love to see someone throw a 4 seam fastball pitch of a grenade over 100 mph now

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Dark_Knight2000@reddit

You’ve got to draft Jacob Misiorowski for that. 104 mph fastball

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Tuarangi@reddit

Cricket at least for the UK is basically the same size as a baseball though not as established as baseball is in the US!

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Exurota@reddit

It's not the same shape and has a correct orientation in the hand for throwing, I don't think that's a great example

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HansJobb@reddit

They're both hand sized balls. They're about as similar as it gets lol.

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coolname234@reddit

a grenade also has a single correct orientation for throwint

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Tuarangi@reddit

I was merely commenting on the fact a cricket ball and baseball are the same shape and similar size hence why both the British design and the US design for grenades were similar given both sports involve throwing

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throwpayrollaway@reddit

I bet it was in the 1930s and 1940s. It was the traditional school sport in the milder months of the year.

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Bhrutus@reddit

so... baseball, huh?

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TannerTheG@reddit

Cricket

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MrShoe321@reddit

The commentor you are replying to is engaging classic online misinformation dissemination. The "grenades were designed to be like a baseball" thing is mostly an urban myth. It seems to stem from a Wikipedia article on the BEANO T-13 grenade, which was a spherical grenade that the page claims was designed to be lIke a baseball but, these were grenades developed by the OSS (predecessor to the CIA) in the latter half of WW2 and not mass issued to all US troops, they were racially experimental weapons.

Before that other European countries as well has the USA had grenades similar to the M2 "pineapple" grenade dating back to WW1. The only other spherical grenade that was mass issued by the US was the m67 which came in around the Vietnam era and the Wikipedia page for that grenade also references the baseball myth thing

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Tusami@reddit

I refuse to believe that there is absolutely no influence from baseball on American grenade design. Even the pineapple was roughly the same diameter, and therefore could be gripped like one.

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MrShoe321@reddit

Bro the French and the Brits had pineapple style grenades in WW1 that predates even the American M1 grenade. And if you wanna go even earlier than that early mortars and explosives of all kinds are round. It's simply just a good shape regardless of nationality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mills_bomb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F1_grenade_(France)

Both of these are European WW1 grenades that predates the American M1 by at least 2 years

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entitledfanman@reddit

In part it's just an easy shape to throw well, and likely in part a mixture of WW2 Lend-Lease and subsequent NATO standardization. The US's European allies got used to American-made round grenades during the war, and if you're trying to implement some amount of equipment compatability between different militaries, everyone sticking to the same shape for grenades makes sense.

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rubenyoranpc@reddit

Baseball, huh

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iknewaguytwice@reddit

Strongly disagree. Shoving foreign objects up your ass is a time-honored tradition throughout the history of mankind.

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yakimawashington@reddit

What a backwards time that was.

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The_Salacious_Zaand@reddit

I don't man, a lot of things that were once thought of as "common American pass times" turned out to be pretty much about shoving objects up asses behind closed doors.

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bratbarn@reddit

We've come so far as a society 🥲

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

> takes 3x as much space on your rigging as a modern grenade

It's that simple, none of anon's provided gimmick benefits are as important to modern military applications as simple convenience.

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HubrisOfApollo@reddit

This is all there is too it. Logistics are tough, even moreso in warfare. Why use something with 3x the volume (and more mass) when baseball-type grenades exist.

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HistoricalInternal@reddit

Volume =/= mass lol

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mgl89dk@reddit

Also the baseball type of grenade was chosen by US military, because most service men were familiar with throwing a baseball

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SoulCode1110101@reddit

I am so ignorant about grenades, but don’t you not throw it like a baseball?

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Dizzy_Dust_7510@reddit

You're taught to put your non-domimant arm out like a certain old German salute in the direction you want to throw. Then throw the grenade with your dominant hand releasing at the top of the arc to prove maximum distance. That technique is really just to make sure nervous or unathletic recruits don't throw it at their own feet. Which absolutely happens anyway.

In reality, you can absolutely throw it like a baseball. They're a bit heavier, but the mechanics are the same. Overhand, underhand, roll it, drop it, whatever you need to get it to whatever needs exploding. The point of the shape is just that it's convenient to throw and carry.

Source: I r marine.

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Firestar463@reddit

Your comment about throwing it like a baseball just made me imagine some soldier / marine chucking a nasty slider to get a grenade around a corner, and now I've got the giggles. Thanks for that.

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StanIsHorizontal@reddit

I’m impressed you were able to get the crayons out of your mouth long enough to scribble this down so someone else could type it out for you

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Dizzy_Dust_7510@reddit

I mostly just mumble into an AI microphone. It's learned to decipher my autistic screeches over the last few years.

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YourLocalSnitch@reddit

Thank you for your service or whatever youre doing

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Teln0@reddit

I imagine you screeching into it and it converting it into like a Stephen Hawking type of voice revealing the secrets of weapon design

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revanisthesith@reddit

When they talk about using AI for military applications, this is what they actually meant.

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boomeradf@reddit

Think how much more deadly the marines will be both by the fact they can now be understood and have more time for crayon eating. All other countries are doomed!

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SarcasticGiraffes@reddit

The beloved corps will absolutely not use AI for this purpose, and you know it. Their primary line of effort in application and use case research will be either trying to figure out how to fuck it, or get it to produce alcohol.

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boomeradf@reddit

You act like both haven’t already occurred you know better

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dr_strange-love@reddit

It would take all the supercomputers on earth to translate all the meanings of Oorah.

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angelis0236@reddit

You don't need hands to eat crayons I've seen marines that could do both.

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jbourne71@reddit

He actually just drew a stick figure picture using the crayon flavors he doesn’t like.

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MacchuPicchu55@reddit

I got to throw a real one in my service here in Finland. It was very safe and thrown from a bunker into a hole in a range but still you'll never be as nervous to do anything as you are to throw a real grenade when you pull that pin...

Also it was not uncommon to hit a tree dead on and bounce the grenade right back at you during drills, no matter the technique. Makes you feel like a royal dumbass

Good times

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Dizzy_Dust_7510@reddit

When we learned the first time we threw them over a berm into a field. Each recruit had an instructor who was there to basically tackle you over a smaller berm behind you if you fucked it up and threw it at your own boots.

Sounds like there's a lot in common with everyone who gives one a toss for the first time.

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zwoelfenzig@reddit

Interesting. I learned that you release the grenade from way behind your back during your throwing motion, so that it comes down as vertical as possible and doesn't roll too much after touching ground for the first time. Maybe that's another difference between European and American forces

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Dizzy_Dust_7510@reddit

That is interesting. That feels more likely to land one too close. But, if it works it works.

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HATECELL@reddit

That's also pretty much how you throw stick grenades. The only difference is that by giving it a little flick out the wrist when throwing you can give it some extra energy to throw further. You throw it basically like a tomahawk.

Sauce: dad wuz Grenadier

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A_Sketchy_Doctor@reddit

So your favorite color would probably be the red ones I bet

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IMM00RTAL@reddit

Pink is best

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Dizzy_Dust_7510@reddit

I'm partial to the purple ones honestly.

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DrSomniferum@reddit

A man of culture, I see.

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natedrake102@reddit

Interesting, I swear I was reading a thread in the last two weeks talking about a baseball-sozed grenade program that failed. In the thread it was said that grenades are taught to be thrown more like shotput. That really didn't make any sense to me though, shotputs don't go that far afaik. And grenades need to be light enough to be thrown far even if they are heavier than a baseball.

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Lannes51st@reddit

Thank you for eating all the crayons 🫡

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risethirtynine@reddit

Imagine Tyler Rodger’s throwing frags

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Trevski@reddit

I think its down to the fact that you generally dont throw grenades TO another person across an empty field, and you rarely intentionally throw a baseball over a wall or through a window/doorway

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IMM00RTAL@reddit

Never throw a grenade through a window. To high a chance of missing and ending up with a live grenade near your feet.

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Trevski@reddit

If you’re close enough that it would land at your feet I think you’d better not miss…

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imnevereversober@reddit

There's no one "right" way to throw 'em, but generally you strike a pose: empty hand stretched ou, palm down and pointing towards the intended landing areas direction while the nade hand is ready to throw behind you -> lob it.

But they're just little explosive balls so they get dropped through cracks in the ceilings, holes in the wallls, half-assedly lobbed into rooms or whatever the case may be.

Basically just use common sense lmao. Ask yourself "How do I throw this thing into that foxhole 20m away?" and if for whatever reason you need to throw it like a baseball to achieve that goal then that's the way to do it.

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boringdude00@reddit

Interestingly, if you actually throw it like a baseball you probably won't get it in a foxhole. but either fly on past or bounce right over, like skipping a rock on a pond. You want to sort of soft lob it instead of putting power behind on a flat trajectory like you'd do to get a baseball to another player.

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imnevereversober@reddit

Of course. My point was more about how if you're throwing it in an unconventional manner then it doesn't make it wrong per se, as long as it reaches the intended target.

But yeah, you'd actually use the proper form as described because the taught form is useful on shorter throws too - not just yeets as some people think.

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calmdownmyguy@reddit

I would definitely throw it overhand

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charmys_@reddit

Just thow it like a baby hard and far but dont catch it

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H0rnySl0th@reddit

Why are you throwing baby's?

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2ndRandom8675309@reddit

It would generally end badly if you tried to throw a grenade exactly like a baseball. An M67 is 14 oz / 400 g, while a baseball is 5 oz / 145 g, so a grenade thrown exactly the same won't go nearly as far.

But they do fit the average hand of most people very well, and as the jarhead said the ideal way to throw one is more at the top of the arc so it will go farther. Plus they're relatively small. I used to carry four on my armor and never really notice them. Carrying four foot-long sticks would be a pain in the ass.

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UristMcMagma@reddit

Depends how you throw a baseball.

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Scottish_Whiskey@reddit

I stick them in my ass and squeeze until it fires out

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yumstheman@reddit

Ah yes the marshmallow gun method

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Impish3d4@reddit

Put some gunpowder in there and you got yourself a cannon

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mymau5likeshouse@reddit

Terrific

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Atitkos@reddit

Talk about Explosive diarrhea

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SheSaysSheWaslvl18@reddit

Hi ho, hi ho, off to school we go With razor blades and hand grenades Hi ho, hi ho, hi ho

Hi ho, hi ho Back to home we go With razor cuts and blown up butts Hi ho, hi ho, hi ho

I finally understand the lyrics to this song now

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clownind@reddit

Impressive

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Son_Of_Toucan_Sam@reddit

Underhand, release at the waist. Make sure to cheer your teammates on

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mgl89dk@reddit

Well you don't today, but don't know the old doctrine. But even if the taught throwing style differs, it would probably be possible to throw in a style similar to a baseball or softball, as a default. If nothing else the similar size and shape, would probably lead to a more confident/familiar grip

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Tophatanater@reddit

The stance can be different but the mechanics of the arm throw is exactly the same as throwing a ball

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Delicious_Level_69@reddit

Nowadays however most service men are more familiar with shoving objects up their asses rather than throwing baseballs so maybe OP still has a point

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lucario192@reddit

Baseball, huh

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intbah@reddit

Even if you need to throw it farther… just issue a sling to each men

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lowrads@reddit

The crew-served slingshot is more fun, but not as reliable.

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Eayauapa@reddit

https://youtu.be/CzsBTUEupKs?si=_ZBbzlbiOatGuK1Q

Don't ask Croatia what they'd use...

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Matt_2504@reddit

Yeah that sounds like a great idea, why give them standard grenades or a grenade launcher when you can instead give them a weapon that is more likely to kill them than their enemies

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Tophatanater@reddit

That’s what the M320 are for

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420DiscGolfer@reddit

"Infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars"

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Sanguinor-Exemplar@reddit

You use 1 good grenade when 3 medium grenade do okay

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Abdul-Wahab6@reddit

The fact that it gives me pleasure simply outweighs your points

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jbm91@reddit

Also in fairly certain the average North American at least would likely be able to throw a circle/baseball style grenade further than one of those sticks.

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hstormsteph@reddit

Iirc it wasn’t that the baseball shape could be thrown further necessarily, it was that we were way more fuckin accurate with em.

A corn-fed Midwest feller that could pitch a 60mph grenade through a 1’x1’ opening is a lot more effective than simply being able to use the “lazy man’s fetch” style grenade to fling it 100yards.

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wolf96781@reddit

Back in yee olden days they baseball design was because the average American was familiar with baseball, coinciding with baseballs popularity at the time.

It worked so well there are stories of Americans beaning Nazis with the grenades. In one story actually killing them before the grenade exploded by smacking them in the head

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AlCapwn351@reddit

Didn’t we use pineapple style grenades back then?

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carsausage@reddit

This made me imagine Shohei Ohtani absolutely rocketing a grenade at triple digits

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pibenis@reddit

cheapest ICBM ever, costs only 2 million per season + grenades

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hstormsteph@reddit

It’s an impact weapon first, AoE second.

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Hanza-Malz@reddit

Grenades are ball shaped because American youth are familiar to baseballs. Logistics wasn't a factor in their design.

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brinz1@reddit

Gear is stored for months, carried for weeks, used for hours and active for minutes or seconds.

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Eviscerator28@reddit

Is there a version that is collapsible like a selfie stick? Just extend it when you wanna throw

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

That could probably work, but the costs of production and engineering would probably not be worth the relatively small benefit. It's not like you need soldiers to hand-throw grenades at like 50m.

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Emitex@reddit

It's not like you need soldiers to hand-throw grenades at like 50m

I mean you have to admit that it's a huge benefit that you can rather throw these things as far as possible instead coming into a closer proximity to the enemy.

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BamaBlcksnek@reddit

Not when the army just signed a deal for a literal 40K Bolter.https://youtu.be/IBo_SMKWoQE?si=2MBfuSltR4TkNFo5

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

That's a completely different topic though. This is a specialised weapon for a specific purpose that presumably would be carried by maybe one guy in a squad, and not in every squad. Not a grenade that is expected to be carried by pretty much everyone.

Like yes, a fucking abrams tank is also more complicated and expensive to manufacture than a grenade xD

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BamaBlcksnek@reddit

How is it not directly related? Why would any modern army rely on a gimmicky grenade on a stick for extra range when launchers are cheap and effective? Even if the new Barrett is expensive versions like the Milkor MGS have been around for a long time.

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

But... that's exactly my point though? Hand-grenades don't need that extra range, that's what I said. You tried to counteract my point that "overengineering hand-grenades for more range isn't worth it" by linking a grenade rifle.

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BamaBlcksnek@reddit

I agree, over engineering HAND grenades for range isnt worth it. That's why we have grenade launchers. I was proving your point not disagreeing.

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

Fair enough, I must have just misunderstood xD

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yumstheman@reddit

It’s not a bad idea but more parts + more expensive to make. The modern frag grenade only cost $45 to manufacture.

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BamaBlcksnek@reddit

Nope, we have this thing...Barrett 30mm PGS

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Kaccady@reddit

you know it will bend over and fuck you in most inconvenient way possible

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EvenBiggerClown@reddit

If I remember correctly, it also at least 10x longer to pull the trigger, and also can't be undone once you do, whereas modern grenades won't explode unless you let go of the trigger

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TheNoodler98@reddit

The main benefit they provide has been taken over by rifle grenade/grenade launchers. If you really wanted to you could have the dog ball thrower type of device and remake a ye olde atatl with a regular grenade if you wanted to

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AliciaXTC@reddit

but you forgot the pleasure

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

To quote a comment I already made under here
"You have plenty of options:
Knife handle (just keep it sheathed)
Sidearm
Bunk buddy
Hand
Enemy
Tank barrel"

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AliciaXTC@reddit

Why keep is sheathed? That's part of the surprise.

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

I mean, if you want to cut up your hand, I was suggesting inserting the knife handle instead of the grenade handle, if you want to grab it by the unsheathed blade then go ahead, I won't stop you.

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Praise_The_Casul@reddit

I think this is a new tactic in which you stick the handle up your ass, leave the blade poking out unsheathed, and charge the enemy as an enraged bee, ready to stab them with your but.

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power500@reddit

ah yes, the bee formation. sun tzu talked about this

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Why_am_ialive@reddit

Also transport logistics, the smaller the grenade the more you can fit in a box, that makes a very big difference when moving them at scale

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OmegaAce1@reddit

Easy just give every marine one of those dog toy things that throw the ball really far mount it on the bottom of the gun

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HATECELL@reddit

Also how far you can throw them doesn't matter as much in the days of underbarrel grenade launchers.

And whilst sticking them in the ground sounds awesome, you activate them by pulling a cord on the lower end of the handle, so its not like you could easily convert them into tripwire mines

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Eyes_of_Aqua@reddit

Counterpoint what if a telescoping handle was designed for this type of grenade that allowed you to carry more?

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SSanctuary_55@reddit

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CH41N5@reddit

Makes total sense, also if anon requires pleasure, can seek a cylindrical object anywhere else.

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TotenWD@reddit

But it can give you pleasure

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Aware_Ad_618@reddit

Americans also grew up throwing baseballs.

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Tr1LL_B1LL@reddit

..w-w-what about the giving pleasure part?

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

You have plenty of options:
Knife handle (just keep it sheathed)
Sidearm
Bunk buddy
Hand
Enemy
Tank barrel

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Tumifaigirar@reddit

Also wood and manufacturing

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Sir_Daxus@reddit

Well you could make the handle out of polymers nowadays, it shouldn't be a big deal, it just doesn't do much positive.

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AKS1664@reddit

The wood quickly became more valuable used elsewhere, like rebuilding structures.

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cumble_bumble@reddit

Would you rather throw a baseball or a plunger?

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W0RLD_SCUM@reddit

I feel like I could effectively throw a plunger better if I needed to

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HamBlamBlam@reddit

Depends, how many lonely nights will I have before I throw it?

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TimeBoysenberry8587@reddit

And if you aren't sober , it goes in the melee slot .

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Iliyan61@reddit

those dog toys that chuck tennis balls and a current grenade would honestly be a laugh

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CookingPhysicist@reddit

In the cases modern grenades aren’t just put on drones, if used in buildings something stick shaped is easier to grab and won’t bounce around as much as a smaller one that is also round, same can be said in trenches too. Logistics and size on kit is a major factor too as many have said before me.

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TheDarkySupreme@reddit

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ComradeCam@reddit

Can't carry lube

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PotemkinSuplex@reddit

Doesn’t roll is not much of an advantage and I have no idea why you would want to stick one into ground.

It is bigger, it is heavier, it is hard to design one to cover everything with fragmentation, it would be a headache to put one on a drone.

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EezoVitamonster@reddit

Yeah there are plenty of other explosives you can stick in the ground and detonate remotely. What a helpful feature, stick a grenade in a hole and then pull the pin and run away before you blow yourself up. Versus oh I dunno, throwing one from behind cover so it arcs easily and then rolls up to or past enemy cover? Nah, rolling is dumb.

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SeaLionBones@reddit

You can go hands free for ass play if it's stuck in the ground

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ErosDarlingAlt@reddit

Willing to bet that some version of this grenade still exists, but just isn't standard issue anymore

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areallytinyhorse@reddit

Soldiers need one of those things for throwing tennis balls really far for dogs

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Aggressive_Peach_768@reddit

You could get one of those ball throwing things for dogs, and put grenades in that... Then you also have the leaverage

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dg2793@reddit

There's a reason the ppl who used these grenades lost lmao

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post_depression@reddit

The new grenades not being pleasurable states that OP isn’t creative enough.

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PeakDixie@reddit

>Doesn't roll

Oh awesome so when I don't absolutely bullseye some guy 35 meters away from me with a stick the size of a 2L thermos because I'm not the terminator, it'll get stuck in the middle of nowhere and do 0 damage. Why did we start using hand grenades?

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Dzeppetto@reddit

Size - Modern granades are small meaning you can carry more
Weight - Addition of handle made it easier to throw, but made granade weight few times more
Price - Not big factor, but it adds up

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LackWaste@reddit

Fits my hand pretty well. Definitely hefty, even when hollowed out like this one. I could still get some decent range on this.

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Atomkekstime@reddit

Well... we sure need more granades to change anything...

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Price-x-Field@reddit

Grenades aren’t necessarily for throwing across the map on a lineup to B point on search and destroy. They are for tossing around the corner in a building or trench.

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OfficialHelpK@reddit

The grip on a modern grenade prevents it from exploding in your hand. In case you didn't know, the ring you pull out isn't what sets it off, it's set off once you let go of the grip.

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Klutzy-Film8298@reddit

is that the lever?

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stupid_account_69@reddit

I believe it’s called a spoon but yeah

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AsbestosDude@reddit

Huh, so spoons really are deadly

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AstroBearGaming@reddit

You just have to hit them for a really long time

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DualSoul1423@reddit

Now that's one helluva deep cut. Haven't thought about that video in years.

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AstroBearGaming@reddit

It was lurking somewhere in the recesses of my mind apparently

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LudicrousStead@reddit

There's a GWOT-era vet who got a confirmed kill with a standard issue MRE spoon

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GeneralBlumpkin@reddit

This what part of the PNN private news network in basic lol

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SockGoop@reddit

Gumball was right

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easyglue@reddit

Yeah it’s called a spoon, the pin holds it in place. Once you throw the grenade the spoon is ejected and the grenade is active.

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dinnerbird@reddit

When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend

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36933693@reddit

I PULL THE PIN OFF THE GRENADE ON PURPOSE BEFORE I THROW IT

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DeepJudgment@reddit

A granade is simple...

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EDF1919@reddit

Heavier than a regular grenade, bulkier than a regular grenade, can carry like 1/3 as many as a regular grenade, requires an even heavier and bulkier attachment to turn it from a glorified flashbang to an actual frag grenade.

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entitledfanman@reddit

The big wooden handle doesnt seem to confer any tangible benefit over handle-less round grenades, and comes with a long list of downsides. I'd also mention the stick grenade would require a lot more space to throw properly, and a much longer throwing motion out of cover.

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Neomataza@reddit

Only explanation is that someone in high command or procurement was really in love with the idea.

There is like a single upside, and that's that the least athletic person imaginable could still throw a stick at least far enough to not kill themselves. Which is nowhere near good enough to outweigh all the mentioned downsides.

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ThePresenter183@reddit

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russian_octopus@reddit

Ball go further than stick

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fat_italian_mann@reddit

Cube grenade on a string

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Lucariowolf2196@reddit

when paired wuth the chargin' target or other shields I can kamikaze them

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Cherry_p13@reddit

Or or, why not use one of these??

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hs0ne@reddit

are we really ignoring the pleasure part?

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616659@reddit

Cuz that's like more wood than explosive lol

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lesecksybrian@reddit

Modern grenades are ribbed for our anall pleasure

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House_Of_Doubt@reddit

If they’re so good, why did Germany lose?

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Wyleymonks1@reddit

Pineapple grenades are better at producing injury / death from farther away stick grenades destined around explosive content , pineapple shape grenades make a sphere of death

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LemonFlavoredMelon@reddit

When you throw them at Japanese soldiers, they pick them up and sing into them as they think they’re karaoke microphones

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Marciano_il_Mario@reddit

Anon just wants an excuse to have something phallic in his hand.

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FoxCQC@reddit

Isn't it less accurate and unnecessarily bulky?

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Bilbo_nubbins@reddit

Will it mash my potatoes?

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Last-Two356@reddit

r/addressme

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The_Burning_Face@reddit

can give you pleasure

Talk about a dangerwank

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chicken-finger@reddit

If you wanna throw a grenade farther, just use a sling

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Religionis@reddit

It’s large and it’s heavy. A clue might be that soldiers will absolutely bitch about every gram added to their kit. (Cant really blame them. It adds up very quickly)

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remington29@reddit

Every american can throw a baseball.

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Biggu5Dicku5@reddit

They're probably too expensive to produce...

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Reading_username@reddit

be modern grenade-shaped grenade

be designed to accommodate Americans + Canadians who are used to playing baseball and throwing overhand

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SheSaysSheWaslvl18@reddit

Canadian grenades are shaped like hockey pucks though

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SonOfIllicitBehavior@reddit

does this mean Mexican grenades are shaped like sandals?

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entitledfanman@reddit

A big wooden handle is a pretty big waste of space and weight, and that's a much bigger concern in military planning.

You'd also need more space and a more specific angle to throw a stick grenade well; you dont need to pop up over cover to throw something overhand but you would for throwing underhand, and throwing a stick grenade overhand seems like it would make it easy to release the handle just a hair too late and it spin into the ground 10 feet in front of you.

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Kiwi_Doodle@reddit

Because we have this now. It stacks.

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rape_is_not_epic@reddit

That last fun fact was brought to you by your local Navy officer

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Shill4Pineapple@reddit

Somebody please do a “fake and gay” interpret.

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drwicksy@reddit

Fake: anon has obviously never thrown something in his life

Gay: literally his last point

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Shill4Pineapple@reddit

Thank you. I was going through withdrawals

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McENEN@reddit

Rolling is good, means your enemy has a even lesser chance to grab it and throw it back.

I think one of the disadvantages of the german grenades was that they were thrown back at them in some situations but the place I read it wasnt very reputable and i never verified it.

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dwenzyy@reddit

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Old-Man-Henderson@reddit

Grenade launchers are cheap now

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PJ_2005_01@reddit

Fake: anon doesn’t know what he’s talking about probably

Gay: no shit Sherlock

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Ok_Two_2604@reddit

“Face toward anus”

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Stwltd@reddit

Have you seen the cost of timber?

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Laxhoop2525@reddit

Well anon, grenades tend to be designed based on what armies believe their men are most familiar with throwing.

Americans invented the more circular grenade, as they were more familiar with throwing baseballs, and the French invented this grenade because they were used to throwing wine bottles.

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AgeAwkward@reddit

Gives away your position when you shout GRENATIEEEER everytime you throw it.

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Chomps-Lewis@reddit

Cant you just tape a stick to a regular grenade if you need to fling it far?

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Positive_Curve_8435@reddit

Had a conversation about this awhile back with some national guard guys.

1) they're too big for alot of urban uses, would have to open doors wider to chuck them in. Throwing them in small windows would be harder. And just stuffing them through holes in general is easier with baseball, or canister types.

2) if you need more range use a launcher or just duct tape a stick to it, but they're not really using hand grenades them in open area’s bullets work fine in open areas.

3) how grenades are carried in modern times is a factor. With stick grenades you generally ran around with a messager bag full of them. Now everything useful is strapped to your chest and space is at a premium, a stick grenade will run the length of your chest taking up space better used for mags and other tools. Hanging it off your belt like a nightstick is just asking it to get caught on something, dropped or interfering with your ability to move in general. Worst-case the pin or pull cord catches and boom, no more you.

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UFCLulu@reddit

Anon never fought in either era of war

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Volboris@reddit

Wooden shaft adds like 3 pounds. Have 3? Thats an extra 9 pounds to pack around.

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WhatAYolk@reddit

Because a big box can have 5000 small grenades or 2000 long stick grenades, and more grenades is better

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Greekwarrior06@reddit

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WeasleFire@reddit

German grenades didn't even act like grenades either, they had no fragmentation, they needed a fragmenting jacket over the top for it to even operate like a frag grenade.

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No_Jellyfish_2494@reddit

Funfact: The most used german Handgranade in WWII had a usual avocado shape and was called "Eierhandgranate". But even back then and still today, media uses this Handgranade because it looks so distinctively German.

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zzznimrodzzz@reddit

Hear me out: 3x baseball shaped grenade, 1x stick grenade. Use stick grenade to hit baseball grenades even further

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jubmille2000@reddit

Brother, i don't think you'd want to stick that stick up wherever you want. It's been places.

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garmdian@reddit

4 big reasons:

1) It takes up double the amount of space on a combat rig and is more uncomfortable to move around with crouched or prone.

2) Production costs would skyrocket as the fuse would need to be longer and the handle would need to be manufactured, this actually a huge reason Germany had a grenade shortage during the end of the war.

3) Not rolling is not actually a positive, being able to underhand throw a grenade makes clearing rooms a lot easier and especially if bunkers are involved rolling would help it go into vents or further in from an opening better.

4) For non-standardized military groups these grenades are much easier to set traps with because of their low profile, furthermore because grenade production is mostly standardized sourcing a variety of the same type of grenade from multiple companies is easier to train your troops as they don't have to change the shape every time one supplier dries up.

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_Vard_@reddit

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Triforceoffarts@reddit

Just use one of these!

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Mr_Ios@reddit

Too many assholes blown up with these.

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Inevitable_Local_366@reddit

Germans also used regular hand grenades it’s just that media shows those ones because it’s more easier to film rather than a tiny hand grenade

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_BlANK19_@reddit

What pleasure are we talking about?

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Highfivebuddha@reddit

I have my doubts that this can be thrown farther or more accurately than current grenades

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krutsik@reddit

We had to tape literal branches to ours during training so that, quoting "you dumbfucks are less likely to blow your fingers off". Needless to say that grenades don't work like in movies where you can pull out the splint with your teeth, so either the branch or the tape failed before the splint came out 100% of the time. So we just used them as intended at the end of the day. Luckily none of us dumbfucks blew our fingers off.

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