In Kharkov, TCC employees wearing balaclavas loaded a man and woman who were bringing their daughter to school into a van.
Posted by ArchitectMary@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 43 comments
maximusdionysis@reddit
And some small religious group are exempt from service
exoriare@reddit
If you're implying Jews don't have to serve, this isn't the case. Early in 2022, Israel was churning out thousands of Israeli passports for Ukrainian Jews, giving them a path to escape. Once all the important people had gotten out, Zelensky asked Israel to stop this practice and they scaled it back massively.
ZhukovWonWWII@reddit
No they were escaping because they were not practicing jews. The observant ones are exempt. There were even news that military aged men were to be punished for pretending to be hassiddic jews.
3 million dead Ukrainians and not a single obituary of a jew.
Also zelenskiy signed a dictatorial decree that criticizing his policies is anti-semitism which is punishable by 8 years in jail/prison. In the same country murder only gets you 7 years.
nuke_em_danno@reddit
In 2026 the spineless draft dodger is considered rebellious & tough.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Especially in this sub… as if this is some new phenomenon or something. Show me a country where this would not be happening if they would be attacked by a superior force.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Maybe because Ukrainians don't want this war as much as the narrative claims they do.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Sure bot…
ArchitectMary@reddit (OP)
When you have to drag men through the streets to kidnap them and forcibly take them to the front lines, it means you've already lost.
SDL68@reddit
Don't worry, Russia is going to have to mobilize soon, but I guess they can mobilize their Africa core in Mali thats getting it's ass handed to them .
E4Mafioso@reddit
Russia only has 2k men in Mali. And the fact that Russia hasn’t started mobilizing its population should tell you that they aren’t taking the losses Zelensky says they are.
I mean, Russia always has far more bodies to exchange than Ukraine does. 1,000 Ukrainian corpses for 60 Russians, last I heard. And this is regardless of who’s on the offensive.
Explains why voluntary enlistment is through the floorboards and desertion is running rampant in the UA.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Thats just pure nonsense. Conscription and forced mobilization existed in almost every major war in history. Ukrainians were attacked and are fighting for their own country. When your cities are bombed and your land invaded, mobilization isnt shocking.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
At no point did anyone deny there's a draft. I don't get your point. In the USA we weren't coming around with vans and taking people off the street. You just went to jail for being a draft dodger. That's how most countries treat it, unless the situation is very very dire.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Completely different situations.
The USA was never being invaded on its own soil by a larger neighbor with a bigger army and population. Ukraine is fighting a defensive war against a nuclear superpower. I hope you can understand the difference.
Russia is the aggressor and still had to mobilize massively too, despite having more people and resources.
A country fighting for survival will always push harder than a country fighting overseas.
ArchitectMary@reddit (OP)
"Until the last Ukrainian" makes you very happy 👏
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
It definitely doesn’t make me happy. Are you stupid? I wish not a single Ukrainian died in this horrific war Russia started.
But funny how all your energy goes toward attacking the people defending themselves instead of the country that invaded them. Why aren’t you spamming Russian subs with this bs telling them to leave Ukraine and end the war tomorrow? They could end the war in an instant if they wanted.
This “until the last Ukrainian” line is pure victim blaming and Kremlin propaganda. Ukraine didn’t choose to be invaded.
ArchitectMary@reddit (OP)
Don't be a hypocrite; because of your Russophobia, you prefer that Ukrainians continue to die rather than the kyiv regime accepting Russian demands and ending all this.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
“Russophobia” is such a lazy deflection. Criticizing an imperialist invasion is not hatred of Russians. Plenty of Russians themselves oppose this war.
And “just accept Russian demands” is insane logic. So if a bigger country invades you, annexes land, bombs your cities and threatens you with more violence, the moral solution is just surrender? That’s not peace, that’s rewarding aggression.
You honestly sound like a Russian bot at this point. Every argument boils down to “Ukraine should submit because Russia is stronger.” That’s not morality or realism — that’s glorified appeasement.
ArchitectMary@reddit (OP)
When you feel cornered, you come out with your bot story. Ukraine is just a weapon to harm Russia. Western governments see it that way, while Zelensky only sees Ukrainians as cannon fodder to stay in power and keep fattening his bank account. I know it's disappointing for you, but that's the reality.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. Same with you. Every line sounds like recycled Kremlin propaganda pretending to be ‘hard truth.’
Russia invaded a sovereign country. Not NATO. Not ‘the West.’ Russia. And now every civilian death, every bombed city, every kidnapped child somehow becomes everyone else’s fault except the people launching the missiles? Come on.
You talk about Ukrainians as ‘cannon fodder’ while defending the country literally throwing waves of men into a war they started. That contradiction is doing heavy lifting. Cognitive dissonance much?
You can criticize Western governments, corruption, NATO, Zelensky, all of it, Iam fine with that. But pretending Ukraine is the aggressor here is detached from reality. Meanwhile you never mention Russia and never criticise them. Thats straight bot behaviour.
ArchitectMary@reddit (OP)
At least dry your tears. More videos from your favorite section are coming soon. Have a great afternoon!
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Of course. This is more to highlight how stupid and pointless this fight is. Ukraine is at the point of forced, against their will, conscription into the battlefield. That means it's a dire situation. A situation they'll eventually lose. And all those men they sent to the front lines to get killed, will be for nothing.
The people here post things like this because it highlights how stupid and pointless this proxy war is. All this over eastern Ukraine, which the west didn't even like to begin with, and ultimately, have lost anyways. It's pointless, endless war, which benefits only the MIC.
AntonioVivaldi7@reddit
Are you aware it's Russia who is invading Ukraine, not "the west"?
reddit_is_geh@reddit
The west of Ukraine.
AntonioVivaldi7@reddit
There was no civil war. It was Russian soldiers all along since 2014.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
There literally was a civil war, and yes, Russia supported one side. Do you honestly think Russia forced themselves into the area, and the locals didn't want them there, and Russia alone did all the fighting, pretending to be on their behalf? Do you even understand the politics of Ukraine?
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
They literally did. Russia invaded Crimea in 2014 with unmarked soldiers, armed separatists in Donbas, sent equipment, intelligence and troops across the border, and then spent years pretending it was some spontaneous “civil war.” Even Russian figures admitted involvement later.
And now in 2026 they openly bomb Ukrainian cities daily, threaten Europe constantly and openly say Ukraine is not a real state. So yes, I absolutely believe they were doing exactly what they were accused of doing since 2014.
Your whole argument is basically: “Smaller countries should surrender because resistance is messy.”
That’s not realism. That’s just rewarding aggression.
And the proxy war point is still nonsense. Ukraine is not fighting for America’s interests. Ukrainians are fighting because Russians invaded THEIR country, occupied THEIR land and killed THEIR people. Foreign aid does not erase that. By your logic WWII was a proxy war as well. This is peak stupidity.
Also, working in Ukraine doesn’t magically make you an authority on Ukrainians. You’re still an outsider lecturing people on how they should’ve surrendered their country. Go say that in Kyiv and see how fast people tell you to fuck off. Where you from? Where do you live? People like you make me sick. Mother must be proud to have produced such a coward.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
You clearly don't know shit about this conflict at all beyond Reddit headlines that are carefully curated to tell a narrative. There was a civil war before the invasion of Crimea. Crimea is when Russia joined the conflict. Anyways, like I said. I can't do this with you bro.
I had to study Russian Strategic Culture in Germany to understand the full scope and context of things. When working on behalf the USA, specifically in diplomatic terms, it's important to understand the ground truth as well as how the other side views things. This is critical, because it's necessary for properly understanding each other and making deals. The public version, is always a simplified version that they use to sell the public, that's easy to understand, and furthers our own domestic objectives. It's NEVER the actual truth... As the truth is complex, complicated, grey, and rarely - if ever - has a clear good guy and bad guy. But when you tell the public the story, you DO create a simple, Disney-esque version of a clear good guy (our team), and a clear bad guy (who we are fighting). Then you remove all context, nuance, and complexities.
That's why I can't have these conversations with Redditors. The conversations are always just so.... uggg.
Like you can map out everything... The "issues" started arising immediately after an enormous natural gas reserve was found off the coast of Crimea, which Europe openly stated it wanted secured. Then you have literally Obama and McCaine, quite literally, campaigning for the opposition... And we have a country - the USA, with a long, irrefutable, characteristic, history of using soft and covert power to force regime changes. But then I point out that the USA/West supported and help coordinate the regime change in Ukraine for their own geopolitical interests, suddenly you guys just throw out all logic and evidence, and act like the USA would never do such a thing and anything short of video evidence of the CIA/NGOs admitting specifically to doing that, is just propaganda.
I just can't do it with you guys.
AntonioVivaldi7@reddit
Yes, that's exactly what I think. Do you think the people their joined Russia's army once Russia invaded full scale?
reddit_is_geh@reddit
They were separate divisions. This isn't even up for debate dude. It's an easy google search away. It's ridiculous if you think the pro Russian, Russian identifying people, who were experiencing Kyiv try to destroy their identity and overthrew their leader... Didn't want Russia in there to help them. You can't "force" yourself to fight a civil war on someone's behalf, else the locals would just kill you. You need their consent else you get urban war.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
There was no “civil war.” That’s another Kremlin narrative used to justify invasion.
Russia armed, funded and led separatists in Donbas from the start. Russian soldiers, intelligence officers and equipment were there for years — even Girkin/Strelkov himself admitted Russians started the fighting.
And no, regions of a country don’t just get to randomly break away because another country stirs unrest and sends armed men across the border. Every country would collapse if that logic applied.
Also funny how Crimea was “local self determination” while Russian troops without insignia were already occupying the peninsula. Totally spontaneous, right?
Ukraine had political unrest and internal division like many countries do. That does not justify invasion, annexation or carving up another sovereign state.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Alright. We're done. You can't help yourself just calling everything propaganda. You're a bad faith actor. Go back to r politics and jerk each other off there with your state department narratives. I literally worked in Ukraine at the time on behalf of the USA to promote democracy initiatives, so I don't have time for this bullshit
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Not everything. Just the parts where you repeat Kremlin narratives almost word for word while pretending they’re “objective realisms.”
And spare me the “I worked in Ukraine” credential flex. That somehow makes it even weirder that your entire conclusion is basically “smaller countries should surrender to nuclear powers because resistance is inconvenient.”
You quit because your argument collapsed into “they should stop defending themselves because war is ugly.” No shit war is ugly. The side that can end it tomorrow is Russia by leaving Ukraine.
And calling people “state department shills” while repeating lines used daily by Russian state media is peak irony. Are you regarded? You sound less like a realist and more like someone rationalizing aggression because defending victims is apparently “bad faith” now. Top tier pathetic spineless behaviour… if i was you I would be ashamed of myself. You must be a sad person.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Yeah yeah yeah... You caught me comrade... I iz Ruzzian. Putin is god. You much smarter than I thought. I waz all lying. American media doesn't manipulate or lie to the population to get consent for global conflicts it supports. That is not what america does. Only us Ruzzians lie. Everything we say is a lie. Never once do we have a point. 100% all lies and propaganda. America is honest though. 100% always truthful.
Please. Go back to r politics.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
You’re arguing with a strawman because you can’t defend the actual point anymore. Nobody said the US is perfect or never lies. Completely irrelevant.
The point is simple: Russia invaded Ukraine, annexed territory, bombs cities daily and started this war. That is bad. Rewarding aggression by telling smaller countries to surrender because resistance is hard is also bad.
And the second you can’t defend that, you pivot into “BUT AMERICA.” That’s not an argument, it’s deflection.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Thats pure defeatism and straight-up Kremlin talking points. By your logic, no smaller country should ever defend itself against a bigger invader and should just surrender immediately. That’s cowardice, fucking pathetic and frankly disgusting.
Forced mobilization is not “proof” Ukraine loses. Russia, btw the bigger country with more people, more weapons and more money, also had to mobilize massively and lock people in with threats and prison. Modern wars drain everyone. Based on your logic russia should surrender.
And no, it’s not a “proxy war.” Ukraine didn’t invade anyone. Russia invaded Ukraine. Helping a country defend itself does not magically make it a proxy war. By that logic, helping Britain in WWII would also be a proxy war.
Also, “just let them go” is insane. You don’t let armed invaders and war criminals run loose because defending yourself is hard.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Stop it. Stop it with the fucking "Kremlin talking point" bullshit. I fucking hate it. It's a thought terminating action. All that shit does is try to slander valid arguments by framing them as dead on arrival.
Yes, countries should always weigh out the viability of victory before fighting. That's how you should always behave. If you can't win, don't fight. That's the reality of being a smaller country, and why smaller countries have to rely on alliances and being within the umbrella of a larger security blanket.
You don't send your countrymen and nation out to die, while your entire country gets flattened, if you can't win the fight. Instead, you cut a deal. You focus on diplomacy. In this case, Ukraine can't win, so they need to face the reality of the situation they are in. It sucks, and it's not fair, but neither is killing a million drafted men over territory you can't hold.
And yes, threats of prison is the standard for draft dodgers... Not forcing them into a van against their will to go march into the front lines to die. That's NOT the standard, and is immoral. You can't force someone against their will to go die.
And also, yes it's literally a proxy war. Do you know what a proxy war is? This is literally the textbook definition of it. If you can't even admit to THAT... Then I can't take you as a serious person. It's like you are the equivalent of an Israeli who just defends defends defends, not matter what. That you can't even be objective about anything.
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Not if it’s true. If your arguments constantly perfectly align with Russian state narratives, people are obviously going to point that out. Funny coincidence, right?
Also, Ukraine still existing and still fighting after years against a much larger nuclear power already means Russia failed at its original goals. They expected Kyiv in 3 days. Armata when? Secret russian army is coming any day now…
And “you can’t force people to fight” — welcome to literally every major war in human history. Conscription exists because countries at existential war do not operate like peaceful societies. Whether it’s prison or a van, the point is the same: the state compels military service. Your crying and bias won’t change that.
And no, a proxy war is when two powers fight each other primarily through third parties pursuing the interests of the bigger powers. Ukraine is fighting for its own survival, sovereignty and territory because it was invaded. Western countries supporting them does not magically erase Ukrainian agency or turn Ukrainians into puppets.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
Maybe sometimes they use those "narratives" and talking points, because there is legitimacy in them? Hence why they use the argument to begin with?
Vivid_Television9902@reddit
Convenient for losers like you maybe.
No, they use those narratives to undermine Ukrainian sovereignty and muddy reality until people like you start repeating them as “reasonable concerns.”
“There was no real Ukraine.”
“It’s a civil war.”
“Ukraine belongs to Russia.”
“They should surrender.”
“NATO forced Russia.”
It’s the same recycled garbage every time because the goal is not truth — it’s justification for aggression.
And no, arguments are not automatically wrong because Russia says them. They’re wrong because facts don’t support them. Russia lies constantly, got caught lying constantly, and then people act shocked when nobody trusts their narratives anymore.
You sound like a Russian bot trying to pretend this is all some neutral intellectual exercise while parroting every excuse used to erase another country’s right to exist.
notarackbehind@reddit
lol as compared to the servile dogs dutifully dying for an unnoticeable increase in the wealth of the Epstein class
dersteppenwolf5@reddit
If you believe a cause is not worth risking your life for it would be spineless to comply with the draft and throw your life away without a fight. The rich rule Ukraine while the not rich are forced to die for Ukraine as the rich bribe their way to safety. Not ragging on Ukraine, that's the way it is everywhere, but anyone allowing themselves to be drafted under such a system is a fool.
TheOfficeoholic@reddit
Banned from r/news for calling this an endless war for profit by men with small dicks. Supported by brainless morons who think war solves anything
Ancient-Tax-8129@reddit
God russia looks like shit. No wonder they're impressed by indoor plumbing.