Why are cars treated as solely an asset now?
Posted by Exact_Organization84@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 387 comments
I feel like when I was younger people who had fancy cars or sports cars had the reasoning of “I’m a car guy / I like this car” and no one batted an eye. But now all I hear about is depreciation , and judgement for purchases with “I love this car” not being enough to not be called dumb. I go on YouTube and it’s Dave Ramsey style “I would never pay that much for a car what a stupid decision for a depreciating asset” opinions . And even in person , I’m 28 with a HOUSE and I got called dumb for getting a project 3000gt , and that I could’ve invested so that I could get my dreams cars at 70 years all with a walking cane 😭
LongOrganization7838@reddit
You need to find a different group then, there are plenty of car guys who dont care about depreciation
HighGroundIsOP@reddit
Yep, definitely need to find some new friends.
I bought a lightly used (<5k miles) AMG as a CPO for slightly more than my buddy’s brother paid for a new loaded Camry. Needless to say we all clown on his brother constantly.
Aggressive-sponging@reddit
This is the way. Bought a low miles Levante gts for a similar price. Why would I drive a Camry when I could have 550hp😂🤷🏻♀️
dllemmr2@reddit
Because the camera is safer for a family?
Aggressive-sponging@reddit
That sounds more like an issue of self restraint
dllemmr2@reddit
Every moment of every trip for the lifetime of the vehicle? Sure.
NYOB4321@reddit
Same here, I got the Modena version.
Aggressive-sponging@reddit
How do you like it? Had one before swapping to the v8
NYOB4321@reddit
I love it. It's plenty fast for me. I think it's 434 HP.
Aggressive-sponging@reddit
They’re pretty fast forsure! Honestly the v8 is completely unnecessary haha
PaintAffectionate576@reddit
What AMG? I just bought a Honda CRV when i could have bought a porsche cayenne for the same price and condition. There may be a reason why luxury german cars sell for the same price as “lower” tier cars, hope u dont clowned on tho
frost-bite999@reddit
any AMG is better than a fuckin NPC CRV lol.
yeah because CRVs are for NPCs who changes their oil at Jiffy Lube. can't believe people brag about getting a new CRV on the internet nowadays. embarrassing lol
dllemmr2@reddit
Valvoline, thank you very much. Oil changes are so damn boring. There’s really no point if you have the cash and don’t have the time.
PaintAffectionate576@reddit
Actually older crv and comparing to older porsche. I have another car in which i track & i do all my work on so i don’t think i fit that bill The german cars lose value hard, i wonder why lol Im bragging where? The only one bragging is op clowning his homies brother for getting a camry Whats is embarrassing is op thinking hes better than dude
HighGroundIsOP@reddit
First off, having a sports car is a crucial bit of context missing from your first post. Because it does change things beyond CRV > Cayenne.
Second off, I don’t think I’m better than anyone. But if you don’t have a friend group that makes fun of each other’s ridiculous decisions, then I’m sad for you.
frost-bite999@reddit
i take my comment back because i assumed you were bragging about a 1.5l turbo CRV. an older CRV i respect that. learned how to drive and wrench in a first gen.
len2680@reddit
Boring ass crv
HighGroundIsOP@reddit
C43 coupe.
And IMO, and that of most car guys, you should have absolutely bought the Porsche. The Cayenne and the X5 are the best 2 SUVs (and the G, but that’s a different thing entirely).
But enjoy your dull drive and marginally better MPG. What is the saying…”life is meant to be bland” or something like that.
PaintAffectionate576@reddit
Idk i already have a sports car so no need for the porsche
Pureheck@reddit
Like to see you wrote that. I have a Cayenne GTS pushing 700hp/750tq and it is amazing to drive. I almost fear it.
InsaneInTheDrain@reddit
AMG what though
HighGroundIsOP@reddit
C43 coupe. It’s an amazing car.
My previous car was a CLK 55 with the hand built V8. But it’s 20 years old and life circumstances changed that I wanted a car that could reliably road trip and comfortably handle a variety of climate situations.
AppropriateDeal1034@reddit
Most car guys don't car about depreciation, but dream cars (unless you have strange dreams) are rarely depreciating assets. Modern cars are getting less interesting, less reliable, and more expensive which is the only reason people say about not splashing the cash on one. Who wasn't a BMW msport fancyline with all the show and no go, but it will still set you back 3 kidneys and a spleen. Each month.
Krispythecat@reddit
In my experience most car guys are in love with cars in general, and are not as obsessed with the idea of a dream car like a lot of non-genuine car guys are. We can appreciate cars at different price points, and while I might think owning a GT3 would be fun (it would be), I am also pretty smitten with a miata that I can afford.
GrumpyDrum@reddit
This is the most accurate comment I've seen so far. Most genuine car guys will of course appreciate the halo cars like gt3s and F40s and Paganis, but will equally enjoy the MX5(miata) the twin cam corolla, the 928 etc 🤷
FirehawkLS1@reddit
My dream car was made when I was 17, was realistic, and I've owned it for a decade (bought it for a steal). There's nicer cars but when you set your sights on something you can afford , defintely helps!
osmiumblue66@reddit
Plenty of car folks still around. Everyone has an opinion, it seems. But don't let someone who doesn't share your passion (or wants to be a pain in your ass) ruin your fun.
Buy what makes YOU happy, you earned it. I mean, people buy Maserati Biturbos (masochists, the whole lot of those owners) but hell I salute them too because they love those cars and enjoy it. If you wanna rebuild something crazy, why not? Do it for you, and fuck the naysayers.
Link up with others locally or here. Check out Autopian as well, it's for people who just love to wrench on cars and talk cars too.
I have it in mind to have something to wrench on when I retire. Right now it's not practical but I sure miss getting the tools out and just doing stuff.
FlyingDutchman9977@reddit
There seems to be two distinct mindsets among auto enthusiasts with depreciation. Some people view depreciation as evidence that the car in question was worse than what it actually claimed to be, especially with a luxury car. Something like a Maserati or Land Rover will sucker in buyers with fancy bells and whistles, that will end up falling apart after the warranty. There's also some stigmatism for the buyers, that the people taking them off the lot want nicer things than their credit scores allow, and that the people buying them used convince themselves it's a great deal only for maintenance costs to bleed them dry. Basically, these cars aren't hated for being bad investments, people dislike them, and use the economics to justify why they dislike it.
The other mindset is that a depreciating car can still be fun, as long as you understand what you're getting into. Cars will always be money down the drain, and some people are just willing to lose more money for something they enjoy driving. Just like some people don't mind paying a higher sticker price, some people are willing to lose money in depreciation, or even repair bills. A lot of people even enjoy getting to do their own repair work.
People bring up depreciation and reliability of luxury brands a lot, but if someone is paying well over 50k for their BMW, Maserati, etc., they probably don't actually care that much. Also, a lot of enthusiasts will complain about the cost of vehicles skyrocketing, especially higher end vehicles, but then ignore sportier vehicles that are actually obtainable because of the stigma attached.
slaviccivicnation@reddit
As someone who worked for a bank, I think there are A LOT of people who buy what they can’t afford. I know so many people who have really nice cars but are going through bankruptcy because they can’t afford a mortgage/car/daycare/emergency expenses. So I think most people would rather give safe advice than otherwise.
I would personally rather hear that I talked someone out of financial tragedy rather than talked them into it.
FirehawkLS1@reddit
I paid cash for all but 3 cars that I've owned, and my current cars were all cash purchases. I don't care about keeping up with the Joneses and mever have, even though I have the means to purchase a nice new car. Just don't have the interest when I hwve 2 perfectly good cars that I work on myself and the most I spent outside of normal maintenance in the past year for both was a 250 dollar water pump, a $70 headlight motor and a $179 headlight actuator. Taking what I save in not having car payments and investing most of it.
FirehawkLS1@reddit
Absolutely agree. I get some people who ask why I'm piling the miles on my car when I could make money off it if I sell it with less miles. I tell them 2 things;
I bought the car to drive it, I enjoy driving it, so the miles don't matter.
I have no intentions of selling it, and even if I did, I'd rather have less money than not enjoying it during my ownership.
Unlucky_Employee6082@reddit
If you’re not buying with the intention of driving it until the wheels fall off, seriously what are you doing? There’s no classic collector Toyota Corollas rolling off the assembly lines.
FirehawkLS1@reddit
Exactly. I mean to each their own but if I just want to look at something I'll buy art 🤷♂️🤣
dllemmr2@reddit
Or taxes. Just kidding, they don’t exist.
coffeebribesaccepted@reddit
I mean there's plenty of people in this very sub that act like the only good car purchase is a used Toyota econobox
GezelligheidBoyz@reddit
it is if you do not like cars and only view them as getting from A to B
RespectYourEldersE34@reddit
Depreciation is the best thing for car guys who aren’t millionaires. For example, I drive a 2001 7 series which in its hay day was (adj for inflation) a 130k luxury sedan. Today it’s a 4k car which still looks better than most on the road today.
Same goes for 90’s Benz’s and Jag’s
long_fish3000@reddit
i love depreciation. it's how i got my mini so cheap, those things tank in value
It-is-always-Steve@reddit
Find a different group of people to associate with. I would much rather consider a vehicle a durable consumer good. That Dave Ramsey bullshit is why every car is gray now.
boringcarenthusiast@reddit
I would assume it’s because COL is higher than before and used car prices continue to inflate
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
COL?
boringcarenthusiast@reddit
Cost of living
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
It isn't though.
No-Oil6517@reddit
You're either ignorant to what's going on or you're in a financial position to not have it really affect you.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Has nothing to do with my "financial position", only my financial understanding. The cost of living hasn't increased, the standard of living has. Yeah shits expensive when you buy a new iphone and gaming console every year, and spend $20 on caffeine and sugar drinks every day.
AkumaMatata@reddit
I don’t know anyone that buys a new gaming console every year because new ones don’t release every year. “Caffeine and sugar drinks.” lmao
You sound 80.
Icininja@reddit
If you couldn’t deduce what “COL” meant using context clues in the original comment, you have zero grounds to stand on to lecture anyone about finances lmao.
boringcarenthusiast@reddit
Filled up your car with gas recently?
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Calculate relative to inflation and gas is cheap.
boringcarenthusiast@reddit
Glad I was able to help you learn what the acronym “COL” stands for today. I imagine it must’ve slipped your mind when you were doing these intricate calculations.
No-Oil6517@reddit
The former then. Got ya
devo9er@reddit
Well we can call it Cost of Learning for you then
dottie_dott@reddit
Troll.
thecatsofwar@reddit
Yes it is.
YaKuzya@reddit
Cost of living
Mental_Run_1846@reddit
Do you mean the commoditization of vehicles? Like generic transportation without character or personality?
Big_Slope@reddit
Never listen to a Dave Ramsey listener about anything. That dickhead got rich quick twice and tells everybody else that they should eat shit and gravy for 50 years to get rich slow. He has no idea what it would be like to actually follow his advice long term because he’s never had to do it.
You’re right though people used to not sit around trying to figure out how to minmax everything in the RPG of life. It was a better time.
ArgumentStrict3704@reddit
He has a formula to get poor people who are bad with money out of the giant holes they dig themselves in. It seems to work reasonable well. Whats the issue?
Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit
I don't really follow the guy, is his formula something special or just basic Avalanche/Snowball debt payment methods depending on the specifics of the situation?
I'm an idiot who loves to cycle between deep debt and being debt free and without fail any advice people give just boils down to those two methods, since they work well and that's about it.
That with being realistic about your situation and cutting expenses.
DFLDrew@reddit
He advocates for the mathematically least optimal debt payment method (smallest debts first instead of highest interest). But he is also real estate biased and constantly taking out new loans. Smallest debts first makes your debt to income look best for mortgaging more investment property, even though highest interest rate first optimizes actual cash flow.
Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit
Yeah, fair enough. I pretty much always focus on interest rate first. Like my first step if I've been stupid and gotten credit card debt racked up is to move it from my credit card to my LOC which usually takes the interest rate from like 22% to 9% or something. And/or use 0% balance transfers as necessary.
The real, true solution is just be better with my money but I'd probably have had way less cool experiences over the years if I did that, so it is what it is.
S_balmore@reddit
Ramsey has 3 primary rules
That's literally it. His advice is mainly for people who lack basic self-control. If you understand the concept of "A new computer costs $600. I don't have $600. I guess I can't buy that", then you are not his target audience, as you're already too smart for his advice to be useful.
topherhead@reddit
Cries in 2026
NeutralGeneric@reddit
I think they mean a basic laptop or similar, not a gaming PC. You can get those well under $600 and they’re fine for the average person to do some spreadsheets or stream movies if they don’t have a smart TV.
topherhead@reddit
It was joke.
phillyd32@reddit
It's basically just that but packaged for people who without basic financial literacy.
Big_Slope@reddit
Yes, his advice is good for a couple years for people who are royal fuck ups with money and addicted to maxing out their credit cards.
His career and retirement advice was never great and at this point is at least a quarter century out of date.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
Ok so I have an opinion about that too.
He gave out the basic of basics that worked 25 years ago.
He didnt give out all of what I call the "secrets". I think he did this realizing if he got too deep here, he made enemies with financial planners. That and if everyone is doing what he is, in some instances, he has no or little advantage.
Money market accounts, high saving yield accounts and others arent mentioned.
stu54@reddit
The point is that Dave Ramesy followers are getting advice that anyone who was paying attention in pre-algebra wouldn't need.
Some people are so sheltered or dumb that they reached adulthood not understanding the underlying mechanisms of capitalism IE compound interest and scarcity. Dave Ramsey saves them from their unknowing, but those people are so far below the curve that they have nothing to contribute to a conversation.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
Well that says a lot about the public school system that lots and lots of people have grown up either uneducated or un prepared.
People growing up without their parents around obviously will have a tough time. As will people raised in families with horrible if no financial discipline.
Not everyone is brought up in a built to succeed environment.
proscreations1993@reddit
If you absolutely suck with money and not responsible. His advice is probably good. If you have half a brain cells, his advice is beyond stupid.
Leather_Surprise6147@reddit
His advice is good (not optimal - he prioritizes psychology over math) for his target audience who are deep in the hole and only know how to dig.
Everybody else should ignore him. His advice is terrible outside that specific audience.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
I agree with 75 to 80% of what he says.
My disagreements with him are geared more towards individualized perspectives.
His 1k emergency fund is one. Someone starting out is different than a homeowner with children. Different lives equal different needs.
I have others. His plan is definitely a good base line and great for people who grew up with no or little financial example of discipline.
len2680@reddit
He can fuck off!
Thunderb1rd02@reddit
His advice doesn't fit every situation. It's geared for people trying to get out of debt. Why the hate? He's helped a lot of people.
Signal_Tomorrow_2138@reddit
It's a status symbol. It tells the public they have money to burn, you know, fake wealthy.
King-Conn@reddit
I don't give a shit if my 2015 Golf is worth nothing since it's turbo swapped, lowered, and soon to be on meth.
Boohoo, my daily driver 2019 WRX is going to be engine swapped to the FA24.
People think it's stupid, but at least I'm not spending money on cigarettes, alcohol, or drugs. And I am having a lot of fun.
Artistic_prime@reddit
because cars are way too expensive now... back in the day you could be an enthusiast and it wouldn't cost 50k lol
and even project cars are expensive af.. everyone wants 8k for their rusted junk.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
The question of why this happened goes back to the 08 09 cash for clunkers mess.
It enriched the automakers by taking used supply out of the mix altogether creating both a short and long term shortage.
Less supply=more demand.
Add to that greedy automakers who are cutting corners too far and having warranties on items that almost never were around Y2k.
I dont remember of hearing of masses of engine recalls due to bad bearings or too low oil viscosity. 'On the viscosity look up the stribek curve. Theyre not fixing it with oil thickness. Its faulty cheap chinese tin parts'.
noidea11111111@reddit
Adaptive cruise control annoys people?
kyson1@reddit
Absolutely, I searched out my '25 specifically because it doesn't have it.
noidea11111111@reddit
It can be turned off on every car I've had
kyson1@reddit
And that's cool, but it's still more stuff to break, and I've driven cars that even though it's "off" it will still kick in on certain occasions and slam on the brakes when it shouldn't. Went out of my way to find one with no sun roof/panoramic, radars, adaptive cruise, LED headlights/taillights, cameras in the windshield, etc. Features can't break/cause issues if it's not equipped.
noidea11111111@reddit
I agree, all of this crap is just more to break, and gets us dependant on technology. Blind spot monitoring is a great tool, but I still turn my head to double check
Boring-red@reddit
In my vehicle there are 2 cruise buttons so you literally never have to use it if you don’t want you. You can just select regular cruise control.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
Its annoying to a lot of people I know. Instead of a smooth passes when coming up on slow cars the adaptive cruise part makes it shaky. By doing that it actually increases chances of a wreck due to decreasing driver confidence.
WildKarrdesEmporium@reddit
The amount of people who can't comprehend the massive effect cash for clunkers had on the used car market is amazing. Usually, whenever I mention it I get down other to Hell.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
I personally dont like that pick a part places are mostly a thing of the past too.
A lot of the clunker deal plus regulations took a lot of them out.
The pick a parts and stuff like that is becoming a bygone era now.
Whiskeypants17@reddit
The trick is to be an enthusiast... of $800 rusted junk instead of $8k junk. Its all junk dont pay that much for it lol
maxsilver@reddit
I'm surprised I had to scroll down this far to get this (correct) answer. People talk about depreciation of cars, because cars are so expensive that most people are buying them on 5 or 6 year loans (that they worry they might need to escape from before it's paid off) and they worry about depreciation because they don't want to be underwater if/when they do need to flee the loan.
Maybe you do traveling sales. Maybe you buy a comfy cozy vehicle at like the $50k price because it's basically your office, but it's fine, because you're getting commissions and you got a 4% loan on 72 months. And then, 18 months into your 72 month loan, the company lays you off. Now you're stuck with no job, but a $800/month car payment. If you bought a CR-V Hybrid Trailsport, you're fine, trade it in and net a little cash. If you bought a Ford Escape PHEV or a Jeep or whatever, your massively underwater, your screwed.
It all comes back to, "cars are crazy expensive".
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
The loans are made worse when we arent on the 2010s interest rates either.
People need to realize the back end of the loans theyre signing for. That extra year could be locking you out of getting something else when what u have is done for.
Philodendron69@reddit
Yes. I can’t afford to be an enthusiast but I think they’re cool
Illeazar@reddit
Ita a more expensive hobby than it used to be, and there are more competing hobbies than there used to be (20 years ago, bring "into gaming" for example wasnt as socially acceptable as it is now). There are still car guys, but probably relatively fewer than there used to be, and also you've just found yourself in a place where your social media algorithms are giving you that sort of content.
Boring-red@reddit
Insanely expensive hobby compared to back in the day. My first car 17 years ago was an “enthusiasts” car that I was bought for $1800 and it drove. I was about to fix it up and daily it to school/ work at the time so I didn’t need another vehicle.
Now to buy anything that would be equally fun is probably 7-8k. And it might not even drive for that price. If you buy a non driver you probably need another daily so twice the insurance/ maintenance and the biggest issue, space. The whole reason I stopped having project cars and bought an old motorcycle to work on was I can fit it in my garage along with our family vehicle.
Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit
It's also just more difficult.
A 1990 Honda Civic could be modified by anybody in their garage. The electronics were simple and, well, everything about it was simple.
By the time you get into the 2010+ range things are so complex that most people can't modify their cars by themselves anymore. Any little change reuqires a retune or other electronic fuckery.
I was a diagnostic technician for years, I'm not afraid of modern electronics in any way, but I recognize that the days are gone of teenagers modifying their first, 10 year old vehicle on the driveway with their paycheck from working at the local Diary Queen.
Even car audio isn't as accessible; we added a stupid stereo to my first car, and 80's hatchback, and the most complicated thing we needed as the dash kit and stereo harness. Now you might need to deal with factory amps, body control modules, CAN networks that tie into the stereo, and so on.
Illeazar@reddit
Very good point
ridebikes365@reddit
Look, the push to “invest” is just another way the elite are funnelling money from the bottom to the top. The companies on the stock market don’t need your money, local businesses do. Invest in yourself, invest in those around you. Don’t listen to the narrative, do what you want that’s gonna get you what you want.
Invest your time into a project car so you can have something nicer than you could afford to buy.
FunSignificance3034@reddit
I've noticed this a little bit more at Cars and Coffee. I think part of it is due to the televised Mecum and similar auctions. I have a 1930s four door that I adore and never think of it as an investment at all, other than an investment of my time.
e36m3guy@reddit
This is what pisses me off the most with my father in law. He has a great car collection and refuses to drive any of them because he doesn’t want to put miles on them.
Fit-Mushroom-1098@reddit
I wish people would look at them as tools instead of assets. For the vast majority of people cars are necessary for day to day life.
ConfidentialStNick@reddit
I mean that’s another way of framing the same logical outcome. If people looked at cars as simply tools and not an extension of their identity, most people would drive a Toyota Corolla. Nobody needs a sports car or luxury car. Moat truck driver don’t need a truck.
Here is my nuanced take:
Do what you want with your life and your money but own those decisions. If you carry a lot of debt and can’t invest for retirement because you bought more car than you should and/or keep rolling debt into new cars, don’t cry about your financial circumstances. You did it to yourself.
Thunderb1rd02@reddit
They are assets, albeit depreciating assets. Which is what most care about. In OPs case it's also a hobby.
TJHawk206@reddit
Cars are 100% not an asset unless you’re talking some rare collectible. They are a liability that you eat the cost on , willingly.
Dileth@reddit
If you can afford it, who fucking cares? They can be pissed all day but as long as you’re happy with your decision, fuck em all.
MarzyXP@reddit
“If you can afford it” is key. if you have take out an 84 month loan for a new car then you’re an idiot.
omaregb@reddit
This is also not necessarily true, if you can get a very chep loan then you would be an idiot to tie in that capital in a car by paying cash.
kyson1@reddit
There are no "cheap" 84 month loans
noidea11111111@reddit
They said "have to"
coffeebribesaccepted@reddit
I mean that's just unrealistic for the vast majority of people. You don't want to get in the loop of buying $5000 cars that are at the end of their life and are going to need constant trips to the mechanic until they die and the cycle repeats.
Forker1942@reddit
On schedule to pay off a CPO x5 50e in 18 months and it feels like I can’t afford it. BMW makes easy to see interest paid since last payment and interest per day.
newtonreddits@reddit
Afford also has a wide range of definitions.
mechapoitier@reddit
Yeah and one of them is if you have to do that you can’t
thebrokedegenerate@reddit
That’s what I say before I hit the crack pipe
PlasticTreeonaHill@reddit
“Afford it”
An old friend with -.50 cents in his bank account and no job thinks he can “afford” a bottle of Hennessy every day.
I love folks get out of a new car, come in and buy alcohol with a credit card, that’s right behind a food stamps card lol.
keithrc@reddit
You are aware that lots of people pay for everything with a credit card and then pay it all off every month, in order to get the spending benefits on the card (typically airline miles), right?
Try being less judgy sometime.
PlasticTreeonaHill@reddit
Lots of people don’t have food stamp cards that are well off LMFAO
keithrc@reddit
I don't even understand the point you're trying to make here, LMFAO.
PlasticTreeonaHill@reddit
That a lot of vehicles are financed and driven by people in incredible debt. And to not try and keep up with the Jones’s.
AZHawkeye@reddit
Exactly. If someone has a $1200/mo car payment and it’s like 1/10 of their monthly income, who gives a fuck? Yeah, it’s smarter to save $1000/month for 5 years and buy in cash, but enjoying something in life is precious. There’s also dudes that drive a shitbox and spend $300 on golf each week, or spends $50k on Warhammer and D&D stuff. All of it depreciation or zero asset.
jkma707@reddit
Yesir. Don’t be car broke that’s my only thing.
Here’s the FACT.
People will say “cheapest car is what you have/paid off”
^. THESE EXACT people mostly likely bought a new used/new car in a good market and paid it off to now say this ^ they were once told “cheapest car is what you have/paid off”
Soooooo we all justify our spend.
If you’re in an auto loan. Be happy when you turn the fucking key. Yes it’s debt but be happy with YOUR debt.
Filling up the tank and paying a bill on something you HATE cause it was cheap. Yea you can die any time, live a little. Enjoy your fruit.
icaaryal@reddit
This year, at the tender you age of 40, I bought a brand new Nissan Z. Until 4.5 years ago, I had never made more than $35k/yr. Now I make over $100k. I don’t have a house, I have only been contributing to my retirement in the past 4.5 years (I’m at 64k in my 401k since starting). By all accounts, it is completely financially irrational for me to buy a $60k sports car, EXCEPT that the only way I’m going to have the experience of owning and driving a new Nissan Z in this life, is to buy one. So I did. The car suits me, it’s my daily driver, and I am glad I bought it. What’s amusing, however, is that despite having almost $3,000/mo left over each month AFTER all my fixed expenses (including the $1221/mo car payment at 3.49% over 60mo) except for food and gas, the personal finance types on reddit might have you thinking I’m committing financial suicide and should be committed for having such a large car payment. People think I’m crazy.
To me, it’s just what that kind of car costs. That’s the cost of the experience. I can afford it, and I’m happy to do so before it becomes impractical for me to drive/own this kind of vehicle. But there is a weird vibe out there where you’re just a moron if you’re not driving a paid off econo-box appliance and should be shamed for not being more frugal. I made the decisions to get to where I am, and I want to live the life I choose. I’m not suffering or struggling, but it seems like everyone wants you to be and shames you if you aren’t.
S_balmore@reddit
It's all about context. If you're one of those weirdos who hides the fact that they're a car enthusiast, and goes on Reddit to ask, "I'm 40yo and I make a bunch of money. What car should I buy?", you're always going to get the practical response, and that's because nobody knows that you're passionate about cars. Cars are objectively just appliances, so if you don't lead with "I love sports cars and will happily give my left nut to own one", people are always going to recommend the most utilitarian option (a Corolla).
The reason you see so many weird exchanges on Reddit is because everyone's always coming here for validation rather than advice. Person X has already decided that he's going to buy a Ford Raptor, but he poses his question as if he's done zero research and doesn't know the difference between a Raptor and a Corolla. If this person was honest and said "Hey guys, I'm YOLO-ing and buying the truck of my dreams no matter what anyone says", then the audience would spare him the financial advice.
You certainly are a moron if you all you want is basic transportation, yet "you’re not driving a paid off econo-box appliance". But if you're 40yo and seizing your last opportunity to drive the car of your dreams, I don't think anyone would look down on you for that.
jkma707@reddit
I have a Ford Raptor and my wife has a 4Runner. Both are 10-12MPG.
She enjoys the ride and look
I enjoy the ride and look.
Some people are car people
Some people are wine, clothes, target/marshalls people
We all have are ONE thing we justify to enjoy our earned money
gwatt21@reddit
I only accept feedback in the following situations.
1) I ask for it.
2) They're paying the payment every month.
Either than that, I don't fucking care about people's opinion
FirehawkLS1@reddit
Damn right!
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
gheyyyy
xmrlewis1x@reddit
This right here ☝️ is the way
osmiumblue66@reddit
This Redditor right here gets it.
aussie_nobody@reddit
Maybe I'm in a different place in my life, but I see so much better things to spend my money on.
I earn good money, and 22 yr old me would absolutely loose their mind if I told them I drove a 10yr old Subaru.
A car to me gets me to work and back. Its not something that I need to spend my hard earned on.
Shubi-do-wa@reddit
Even Dave Ramsey admits that he spends money on cars that he “shouldn’t” spend because he’s a car-guy (he drives an over-priced truck) I think what you’ve missed is where they say to ask yourself if you have enough extra income to not lose any sleep over the amount of money you’re spending on it. But that’s subject at the end of the day, and if you’re a car guy, then that number is going to be a lot higher for you than from someone who doesn’t care what beater they use to get to work and back.
50plusGuy@reddit
With a house? = really, without a mortgage?
Dave rambles for everybody! It is not just car guys buying stupidly overpriced "way too much car" but average A-B folks too!
You heard him. Save on! Have the cash to pay your car + a coin to flip to make up your mind if that is the right move, for you.
Peace and many smiles per gallon!
East_Yellow8389@reddit
I think a lot more people in the past were in denial about just how expensive this hobby is over time.
If someone understands all of that and wants to purse it anyway then no problem.
But so many people don't understand just how much all the cost will add up year after year. It becomes a addiction to so many people and they go into debt over it. Thinks like aftermarket parts can even bring the value down more but regardless are typically 30 cents on the dollar not including labor.
So no it will never be like investing in real estate where you have a potential ROI and a appreciating asset.
But again if somebody loves cars and understand it is a money pit in most cases then go for it. Boating will always be the biggest money pitt of all but people love that as well.
WillTasty6818@reddit
Today people are much more financially literate on one hand, and financially squeezed on the other.
TheSquireJons@reddit
I think the younger generation just isn't that into cars. Modern cars are much less interesting and diverse than even 20 years go.
What modern car widely available car would you say you average high schooler thinks is cool? I can't think of any.
GrumpyDrum@reddit
All cars are a depreciating "asset" unless you're in it for the long haul, have a crystal ball and know what people in 20-30 years are going to be wanting to spend money on. If you enjoy cars and can afford to, buy something you enjoy whether that's driving, working on it, looking at it, whatever. We can't take any money with us when we die, might as well enjoy what we have when we can.
DayGeckoArt@reddit
Keep in mind the vast majority of Americans aren't into anything. Yes I said Americans. In other western and some Asian countries it's common to have hobbies. Ever notice how many car shows they have in Britain? Or how most of the artistic photos you see are by Europeans? Americans are more likely to just focus on work and watching TV
LookAtMyUnderbite@reddit
I’ve had people cry about how expensive my simulator is and how you can “build” one cheaper. Difference is I can afford it and I am having fun with it without needing to do any extra homework because I already did my homework making the money. I don’t listen to penny pinchers they got their own problems and I don’t need them influence me with them.
MonkeyBoy697@reddit
I think it’s because people have realised that it’s very rarely worth buying a Brand New car - take the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio, it’s about £85k-£90k Brand New, there or thereabouts, more with certain things Spec’d (that lovely Green Metallic paint they have is a £2,000 extra for example) … but you can buy a 25 plate one with less than 5,000 miles on the clock for anything between £55k-£70k depending on Spec so I can kind of understand from the perspective of “buy one that low mileage and a year or two old” and it’s better value
But, I’m the same as you in as much as I like a project, I like a rescue job (to an extent) because that’s what both my Grandad and my Dad always did. They’d buy cars at auction, take them home, give them a service, fix any issues they may have, take them on a trip somewhere for a weekend, then sell them.
They had Rolls Royce’s, Bentley’s, Porsche’s etc. that they rarely kept longer than 6-8 weeks before selling and getting their next project
Synicism77@reddit
Because people are dumb and often feel the need to yuck someone else's yum.
eljefe38theboss@reddit
We live in a jealous and judgmental world now. People judge and diminish those that have what they dont and/ or live differently than them. Cars and houses are two of the most common avenues people take those feelings out in.
hannahisakilljoyx-@reddit
I’m not even that much of a car guy (wish I was I’m like an aspiring car guy) and my car isn’t that cool (2012 subaru outback) but I do really like my car and I prefer to spend my money maintaining it rather than buying a new car. I’d appreciate if everyone in my life could stop flaming me for that but oh well. I’m either pouring money into another new used car or into maintaining a car that I fucking love, I don’t get what the big problem is for everyone else.
Repulsive_Law_6255@reddit
I think its different viewpoints. As a car/truck guy, I enjoy making my vehicles mine. Adding new bumpers wheels lights the works. But on the flip side, I can see financial freedom in my future. And thats what holds me back from jumping into a bigger project. I have my truck done how I like it. Its paid off. Now its time to focus on the future for a bit.
Its more openly frowned upon because financial freedom is mainstream now. Maybe its always been and as we get older we notice it more. But I think there is definitely more talk about strategies and paths to get there now than in the past.
MarvinStolehouse@reddit
The depreciating asset argument always irked my taters.
I've always looked at a car, my primary car anyway, as a tool. It's a means of transportation. If I need a hammer, I'm not thinking about what I could sell it for X years later. I'm not thinking, "man, the second I walk out of Lowe's with this hammer it's going to be worth a fraction of what I paid for it".
If I'm buying a tool, I'm looking at what I can afford, does it do the job, is it going to last me a reasonable amount of time, and then what is something that's comfortable and I will enjoy using.
I don't invest in the tool itself, I want to know what it can do for me.
Viking2151@reddit
I got called dumb here on reddit for having a project 92 c1500 Silverado with nearly 500,000 miles on it, got called dumb recently for daily driving a 94 suburban when their are more fuel efficient cars out there. am I really that dumb to choose not to spend a shit ton of money on something new when my old shit works and don't cost me money for a ton of repairs? I mean I got a 2011 Chevy Cruze, gets around 40mpg, great, awesome, but the car is POS, I spend more money in repairs for that thing than both my old ass truck combined.
Something as simple as a coolant over flow costs like 80 bucks at the part store, a plastic fucking over flow tank, where I can buy a brake caliper, a soft line, pads and 2 foot of hard line and a break flair tool for under $100 for my Suburban. spent $120 on a caliper for the Cruze last summer, im dumb for sticking with old beater, hell replaced a starter on my suburban for 60 bucks in December, I don't want to buy one for the Cruze, its double that.
PeakQuirky84@reddit
I don’t know where this line of thinking came from. Pretty much any item you buy is a depreciating asset.
A car is a means to get from point A to point B.
InsaneGuyReggie@reddit
Life is unpredictable, I never thought I’d be using a walking cane at 44. Do what makes you happy within reason.
Roccnsuccmetosleep@reddit
Because 20 years ago we weren’t in a recession?
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
Around 20 years ago we were in the worst recession of all time sir … you’re being THAT guy on reddit right now
Roccnsuccmetosleep@reddit
2006 was not a recession broski. I'm not about to have a fuckin debate about this either. Look at COL vs net income averages. No one can afford to have expensive hobbies anymore.
Ashembir@reddit
There was a 3000GT on my street when I was a kid in the 90s. That was the coolest thing I had ever seen at that time! Have fun with that project! Pics!
dllemmr2@reddit
You’re hearing that because you grew up.
TXtogo@reddit
A car is an investment in your quality of life, not your net worth
It feels good to have a nice car and that’s worth something
Let someone else drive a fkn Hyundai
sergioraamos@reddit
Just live your life don't listen those people
EmergencyM@reddit
Because cars were cheaper then and people made a living wage.
2kewl4scool@reddit
If you already own a house you’re at least not brain dead, financially speaking, so don’t worry about your project car being a bad choice for now, the problem is when you stall out on the project or realize it’s way more expensive than you predicted, and it sits in your garage forever when you could’ve made the choice to move on to another attempt/project.
FreidasBoss@reddit
I have a Jaguar XJR. Why? Because it frickin’ cool.
Fryguy302@reddit
Start hanging with us racers. You have to hate money to do this.
Ashamed-Subject-8573@reddit
I’d say mostly because car manufacturers are super greedy and current prices are ridiculous. Back 30 years ago cars were so so cheap compared to nowadays
Scott43206@reddit
Some people love cars, some see them only as appliances, status symbols or investments. You just have to find your people. Also, YouTube is mostly a toxic shit hole on the topic of cars, lots of opinions, very light on facts if not downright just made up bullshit.
TheWhogg@reddit
When I was young, a “car guy” bought a $3000 Charger. Not a new high end BMW, which back then would have cost more than my home. We did our own work, replaced the clutch etc as required.
I’m still a car guy. I buy nice cars. Between us, my family has a 12-series BMW (by the distributive property of BMWs). I buy them cheap, I’ve sold 7 above their cost so never suffered depreciation on one. And I accept the maintenance burden and DIY everything.
I can choose to make the car a bigger financial liability than it is by getting stuff done but it would greatly diminish my experience, and status as a car guy. I enjoyed figuring out a short cut and repairing my turbo and coolant lines in situ for 72 minutes (plus thinking time) than I would paying a mechanic $4000 to do it turbos out on the bench.
Back in the old days we did not consider the guy in a new 5 series paying the dealer for an oil change to be a “car guy” in any conventional sense. And unless he was so rich that money wasn’t a factor any more, we considered it stupid then for the same reasons as many do today.
I’ve looked at newer and much faster cars than mine. While I have lots of money, that can only have happened by spending less than I earn and maximising the quality of my lifestyle by buying stuff cheaply. That doesn’t just apply to cars - my 85” Bravia works just as beautifully as one bought from the shop rather than retail return auction for 1/10 the price. My flight to Singapore still takes 7.5 hours whether I fly Qantas or Scoot.
Ok-Entertainment5045@reddit
Asset? I see them as a liability, a necessary liability, but still a liability. They let me get around but cost a lot of money to buy and maintain.
Dynodan22@reddit
I never crap about any resale lol 6 cars all droven into the ground or sold for a low price.I am driving what I like 23 colorado now chose it over a 23 tacoma why because the colorado was more.comfortable and drove better
Throat-Additional@reddit
bc economy bad cannot buy car for fun 😞
ElectroNight@reddit
Tesla with FSD is the ultimate utility vehicle, it just gets rid of 99 percent of your driving period. It's a taxi that you now own for your own use.
jontss@reddit
I think this way when they get old and need repairs but honestly I wish with my last car I just paid the more than it's worth to fix everything. You can't really buy a manual AWD 260HP SUV in Canada these days.
PestilentMexican@reddit
To follow on the other comments. I have an 11 year old car. The blue book is 25% of what I bought it for. However I’ve done all the maintenance, have kept it clean inside and outside. Regularly waxing the paint. It looks great and runs just as it did when I bought it with 5 miles on it. To me this car is worth way more than market price. I know it’s maintenance history, know how it has been driven and cared for. Most importantly I know it is good for another 5-10 years if I don’t get hit by an idiot.
I’d focus more on what you want from a car than the value. The value drive largely has been a marketing drive by auto sellers like caravans and even dealerships to identify good used cars to sell. Does it make sense to sell your car for money? Probably not, you need car your car for basic living needs. So with that money you’ll need to fork it back out for another vehicle, which likely with either cost more or be a downgrade from the current status quo.
dontgetmadgetdata@reddit
I had that mindset in once. Worked in Tech, made good money and saw automobiles as depreciating assets that should be driven into the ground. I drives single cab Toyota Tacoma for 17 years that rode like absolute shit. Got divorced and lost half my net worth.
Now my mindset is life is too short to drive shitty cars. Buy what you want and enjoy it.
Ok-Tangelo4024@reddit
People get so hyper fixated on earning and growing money that they forget the point of having money is to do what you want. Good luck with the 3000GT
VivienM7@reddit
My sense:
1) in many places, at least big urban areas, it's hard to get into cars when young. High insurance rates. Limited parking. Etc.
2) driving doesn't have the cultural appeal it used to. Almost like... smoking... as an example of an activity that elites have tried to discourage the young from pursuing. There are a lot of people who don't seem to seriously care about getting a licence even until they're starting a family and then they want a CR-V type vehicle.
3) the massively increasing costs of housing. Much easier to have spare money for a car when housing is affordable. And, to the extent a fancy car was thought to impress women decades ago, a fancy condo is far more likely to today.
4) the automakers have been narrowing their product lines for years. Far fewer cheap/fun/enthusiasty cars. Which makes sense because the market for those isn't there. The "enthusiasty" cars that do exist are aimed at 50+ year olds (e.g. AMGs).
5) the downtownization of workplaces. Here (Toronto, Canada), for example, many employers (e.g. the local offices of tech companies) have moved from suburban offices with plentiful parking to downtown skyscrapers you effectively can't drive to.
And keep in mind, in most countries, it's the big urban areas that tend to have higher-income younger dudes who used to buy fun new cars. And where those places were relatively friendly to cars, they've become much less friendly in the past couple of decades.
F_DOG_93@reddit
It's not just cars. It's everything. We are entering a recession, and one of the indicators is that culturally, everyone is financially struggling and thus lose comprehension of leisurely things, including cars. It means that people see everything as a means of monetary value and nothing else.
A car is ALWAYS going to depreciate. There is no way around this. But the matter of the fact is that people shouldn't care about the resale value. If it drops by 80% it literally shouldn't matter.
lunchbox651@reddit
It really depends on the people but since COVID at least a lot of people have been buying cars as "investments". In the Porsche world its blown out the prices of every model considerably, even the ones once considered "undesirable".
slowerchildren@reddit
Collector/new cars are depreciating assets, buying a cheap shitbox project car is a fun hobby and can appreciate in value
WildKarrdesEmporium@reddit
If your collector car is depreciating, its not a collector car.
Mash_man710@reddit
Funny how depreciation often swings to appreciation on the right type of car. Those people calling you stupid for buying something classic are then whining when you keep it and it goes up in value beyond the purchase price.
WildKarrdesEmporium@reddit
Why not both? I drive an '87 BMW 635CSi, because I love it. Also, it is appreciating in value, not depreciating. Anyone who really cares about their car being an asset should be buying old collectors vehicles, not a new or slightly used Toyota.
vaultdweller1223@reddit
I think there's a middle ground. My father bought a BMW 4 series the same year I bought a Corvette (2019). MSRP was within 10k of each other, final miles and condition where similar. He sold his for 26k, I sold mine for 57k. If he had chose an actual M car, esp an M Comp, he would have been better off. There's a way to do the sports car thing and continuously float the bulk of the purchase price into the next car.
Wild_Chef6597@reddit
Because people are morons. If you can get a new car, that's great. But treating it as a financial investment is dumb as hell. A car at the end of the day is a tool and it's value comes from the work it performs like a hammer or drill.
The only time a car can appreciate is when it becomes a classic or it's featured in a popular movie.
CC7015@reddit
lots of cars still appreciate , unfortunately they start at like 300 k and you had to buy 5 or so models before that
the other side is expensive cars that depreciate but are matinance traps so they get valued at the same price as a just drivable beater (like you might get a Porsche Macan and a Camry at the same price because noboady wants to take on the maitinance of used expensive "asset" .
basically the depreciation curve has changed
autonimity@reddit
3000GTs are cool as hell Hopefully a VR-4 🏎️
Specialist_Okra4080@reddit
When people came by home, that’s the only option
GraphicWombat@reddit
Every car guy i know has a soft spot for a certain car. And they usually aint anything special! You do you and ignore the haters.
Loveschocolate1978@reddit
Ed Bolian, the 2008 financial crisis, and stagnant wages.
After the stock market fell drastically in the final months of 2007, people started looking for a place to store and invest their money in some place other than stocks. They were scared. I believe it was Ed Bolian who publish, or perhaps found, and article that was published a few years before the stock market crash in '07 where someone had found that certain classic cars appreciated more than stocks. Combine fear, greed, and people looking for excuse to justify their emotions, and you got what we have now. "O, I want this car, but I can't buy it because it's too expensive and that would be financially irresponsible. O, wait, no, because of all this convoluted math I did it's not actually expensive, it's an 'investment' so now I can emotionally justify this purchase." When it comes to more so average cars, I believe that is simply do to people not having as much disposable income as they did decades ago so there is a greater need to scrutinize car purchases now.
keithrc@reddit
It's because cars that were once commonplace are now selling for bonkers amounts at auction. That gives some people the idea that any car will be worth money if you just keep it long enough. This is not true*, but a lot of people have that mindset now.
*- it might actually be true, on a long enough time scale. Certainly longer than the lifespan of the average car guy.
Real-Energy-6634@reddit
Social media. Real car guys still exist. I just bought my dream car and out 2k miles on it in the first month
givemebadadvice@reddit
because pre-youtube there wasn’t many resources for us to learn about car loans/leases. you basically went out and bought/financed a car and that was that none the wiser.
nowadays it’s more common knowledge that these vehicles are merely just an asset (depreciating asset) that they can attach a monthly payment to.
MostlyBrine@reddit
There is a difference between someone who can safely afford to buy a desirable car without straining his budget, and the guy who is half a paycheck from getting evicted. People usually pile up on the oanes who buy a car and then cannot afford to maintain it, or complain about how expensive it is to pay for maintenance and insurance. You buy the toy when you can enjoy playing with it. I knew a guy who dreamed to own a Jaguar. He drove cheap Japanese cars for 25 years, then he bought himself a Jaguar. I was happy for him. He could afford to pay for it, pay for maintenance, detailing and winter storage. If he would have done that when he was struggling to pay rent, I would have piled on him big time. I could have bought myself a DeLorean 15 years ago, I had the money then, however it would have been impractical. Now I am looking for one and everything I see is over 70k. Maybe one day I’ll find an opportunity again.
JPRizal80@reddit
Sez who?
macdubz415@reddit
I because most people think of a car as something that they’re eventually going to sell.
Someone like me who bought my car brand new and I’m still driving it 11 years later and have no plan on selling it fits outside of that mindset.
protect-positivity@reddit
Most cars are stupid purchases these days, especially new ones.
Not sure why you’re getting clowned for your purchase, it seems super reasonable to me.
Tiny-Part-4786@reddit
How is now different than 10-20 years ago?
fireball_jones@reddit
IMO around 2000 we hit the peak of price:performance:mainteance. Everything since then has been hit with higher prices on new models and more technology or need to hit MPG standards that made the cars worse.
Obviously you can buy an EV that's a rocket today that half drives itself, but personally I miss the days when you could find a not-that-old Miata for cheap to pick up as a project car. And you still can get into project cars, it's just not as easy or prevalent as it was back then.
SoftChew22@reddit
How is more technology bad in a car? I'm used to hearing the boomer arguments about it but wondered if you had an actual reason.
protect-positivity@reddit
More points of failure, more expensive to fix, doesn't add any real value if you're a good driver.
I'm assuming "technology" meaning things like driver/parking aids, screens + motors everywhere and advanced climate systems.
len2680@reddit
Most people are shit drivers.
protect-positivity@reddit
Yea. I get why the market is going the way it is but this a car guys sub lol
fireball_jones@reddit
It's not all worse, necessarily, but as a simple example all of the cars with 12'' screens in the center dash jack up their MSRP to account for all of that, and they are much harder to customize. You can also just have cascading costs, where something like a modern drive-by-wire system talks to so many other systems that it's hard to diagnose/repair yourself.
RAMBIGHORNY@reddit
Counterpoint: Rust
Living in the Northeast, there has been a significantly noticeable difference from around 2010 onwards in rust prevention. Those late 90s and early 00s cars would often rot out after around 10 years, many times with the powertrain still going strong. Modern cars are way more rust resistant.
fireball_jones@reddit
Ehhh, wasn't that hard to get them to 15 or 20 years well maintained. Also the idea of getting a California car and shell swapping it wasn't out of the question.
I'm not disagreeing with newer cars being better about this, but it has come at the cost of all of the replacement parts being higher.
AppropriateUnion6115@reddit
Cars have lost a lot of their soul I think. Pop up headlights, fancy colors. In the quest for MPG and aero most cars look pretty similar these days and are a nightmare to mod. Before you could swap a double din radio cause units were standard size. Now infotainments systems are all wacky sizes and shapes, control units are locked , can bus, most system, fiber cables etc. Repairs/upgrades are no where near as diy etc. and cost of car and their payments has skyrocketed.
len2680@reddit
Yup this
Former_Mud9569@reddit
Dave Ramsey advice is for people with poor impulse control who need black and white rules to get out of debt and into something approaching financial stability. A lot of the stuff he recommends is suboptimal but does work for the people that need it.
If you have money left over after paying all your bills, saving for retirement, and otherwise meeting your larger financial goals, it is 100% cool to indulge your hobbies a bit and get a project car or a fun daily driver.
Messup7654@reddit
Because cars are assets and you cant take that away from them. The same way a loan is a form of debt.
ScienceGuy1006@reddit
Because cars are a lot more expensive relative to incomes than they used to be, so the financial impact is much more significant.
NeedleGunMonkey@reddit
People always thought depreciation was financially dumb
The difference is if you’re an external validating seeking person who can’t tune out financial wisdom, then it seems like things have changed.
Care less.
Late-Button-6559@reddit
I’ve been a car guy since the mid 90’s. Cars have always been seen as either a mode of transport (so a depreciating asset), or as a hobby.
Nothing different today, except I’d say the hobbyists are a smaller percentage (at least in Australia).
len2680@reddit
Those people make life even more depressing than it already is.
Beneficial-Half-47@reddit
I bought an 08 MX-5 last week. I fully expect that by the time I part ways with it I'll be paying someone to take the rusted heap that remains of it off my driveway.
And once they do I'll go out the next day and buy another one
ExcellentWinner7542@reddit
Anybody that tells you a car is an asset, doesn't understand a thing about finances.
TexCOman@reddit
You mean depreciating asset which is technically a liability.
phoenix823@reddit
You care too much what other people think, and you're more likely to get negative reactions than positive ones online. The only reason your project car is dumb is because 3000GTs are dumb 😄.
theraptorman9@reddit
I had some fun cars while I lived at home, but they weren’t anything expensive. Moved out and bought a cheap practical car and a cheap practical truck. It’s been 8 years. My cheap practical car is nearing the end and I think this time I’m going with something fun again. I’ll buy a nice used Mustang GT or corvette and daily drive it. So what that it’ll depreciate, I’ll enjoy driving my car every day. I paid cash for my last cheap car and got lots of use. I’m gonna shell out 25-30k cash for something this go around and try not to feel bad about the depreciation. And I figure I’ll drive it for 8-10 years anyways
S_balmore@reddit
If the only people you encounter on the internet are financial gurus, it's because you continue to engage in finance content, and your algorithm is now tailored to your apparent obsession with being frugal. If you're the type to buy a 30yr old project car, then you need to start engaging with "Classic Car" content. Obviously the classic car community is going to support your hobby, and obviously the finance community is going to encourage you to spend your money more wisely.
It's insane that you actually took the time to ask this question, as if you really believe EVERYONE in the world is a Dave Ramsey disciple, and that NOBODY is passionate about cars anymore. You just have to fix your algorithm, dude. It's not that deep. (Or better yet, go out and talk to people in real life).
Hopeful-Courage-6333@reddit
You weren’t paying attention. Nothing new.
rjlawrencejr@reddit
Unless you asked for their opinions, who cares.
Side note: eat healthy and stay fit. My dad is 90+ no cane. No glasses. Good genes play a part but don’t underestimate clean living.
supremesweater@reddit
yeah the car forums have basically turned into outdated financial advice forums from boomers 25+ years ago
you should see the bmw forum. people post a car and the entire thread is telling them why they shouldn’t have bought it
ClassroomStrict912@reddit
New cars are just overpriced appliances. Designed for 5 years of use then throw away. Carefully designed to not have any character or soul.
Grom_a_Llama@reddit
Idk but that $2000 mr2 i didnt buy in highschool would be pretty fuckin sweet right now not to mention a 10x investment that was an enjoyable 15-20 years of ownership....oh well, the corolla is dependable and gets 50mpg and the s10 is a workhorse who never gives up.
Odin_3406@reddit
Cars are liabilities, not assets (unless its certain classics that appreciate in value at a certain rate). The economy has essentially made disposable income for hobbies a thing of the past for the majority of people. If your financially stable enough to get into cars as a hobby ENJOY IT MAN!
The issue is mostly current and ongoing economic conditions. Most people no longer fall into the middle class and don't even realize it. 90% of us are working class or bellow, even if we came from middle class background and entered what had been middle class professions in previous decades. Dave Ramsey is information people needed decades ago. The old ways/rules don't necessarily get you where they once did.
breadexpert69@reddit
It never was an investment. Things that depreciate are not “investments”
itsjakerobb@reddit
I have five cars. Four of them I expect to keep for life and don’t care at all what they’re worth beyond curiosity.
ZeroedInNomad@reddit
Is it a VR4????
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
Yeah , VR4 . Just got all forged internals and 4 bolt block for her
ZeroedInNomad@reddit
Nice they are beautiful cars. I had a 93 stealth tt/rt back in the day. Thing was a hoot to drive.
Phrainkee@reddit
VR-4 right? Lol
spacetimebear@reddit
It's exactly like you've said. All the smart person YouTube videos. Apparently now you have to drive a beaten up shitbox you found on Facebook or you're wasting money.
PckMan@reddit
Because more and more people are buying cars they can't really afford on credit and if they're not on top of depreciation they can end up with no car and tons of debt so they bust out the spreadsheet to justify their car loan instead of just buying a car within their budget.
Gandi1200@reddit
Honestly they have no idea what they are talking about. Classic sport card appreciate in value as well as stocks and they are more fun.
PossibilityTotal191@reddit
You just gotta find your people man, bought my car for 50k with 30k down will be close to 60k after intrest and its only worth 18k now, but i couldnt care less cause i love the car and plan on keeping till it blows or im just gonna trans and engine swap it. The argument for depreciation should only apply to those who care about depreciation.
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
Same boat , I got my CT5-V last weekend and it’s pricey but I’m keeping it as long as humanly possible
PossibilityTotal191@reddit
Plus its a ct5-v, amazing and sexy car
Usuxbutt@reddit
New cars are what’s dumb to buy. They don’t hold value and no one is going to “desire” them in the future. Of course there’s exceptions to that. An older 3000GT fixed up is a different story. That’s a project, a hobby, something you do for fun. That’s your decision and what you want to spend money on. Only cat peeps will understand that. Others just see the rust.
RoweRage91@reddit
Just grt what you will enjoy. If you plan to sell it, its an investment. If you want to drive it til the wheels fall off, its worth is what you feel it is. My wife's WRX depreciated like crazy, but it doesn't matter since she loves it and doesn't want to sell it.
OGDirtDude117@reddit
Unfortunately for me it's hard to not view cars as an asset as they are also my livelyhood.
Having a car worth over a certain value is just like having money sitting in an account for me.
I don't like lots of depreciation, I try to enjoy things that appreciate or hold value more.
Don't get me wrong, I cut holes in my hood, added upgraded shocks and coolers while putting on a cool exhaust.
But when it's time to sell the car, I put it back to stock.
TheKrakIan@reddit
You need to find some new car friends. A 3000 GT is a great project/collector car.
NoobensMcarthur@reddit
I love DSMs, but they’re absolute headaches, and always have been. I helped a friend change the clutch on his TT Dodge Stealth 23 years ago and it’s still easily the worst job I’ve ever had to do on a car.
Even back then the saying was “In a DSM, every week you drive it you’ll spend 2 weeks working on it.”
They’re very cool cars, and this is all beside the point OP is making, but those things are absolute money pits.
Ill_Marketing_2588@reddit
Eclipses so purdy tho
I love taking mine out and stealing DVD players
Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit
It's a cool one, but it's also a nightmare to work on. They're like the Z32 that way; amazing looking, drives not bad for what it is (big GT car) but has a twin turbo V6 in a cramped engine bay.
Signal_Frosting_3002@reddit
Reminds me when I bought my MKIV Supra.. “oOoOoh you bought a $100k car!?… Idiot!” Except it was $37k, bone stock twin turbo automatic with under 100k miles. I imported it. Couldnt care less if I did overpay a bit. Its mint. Look at the market for them now. I think I did okay. Still dont care either way. I beat the brakes off of it, thats why I bought it. Love it!
AphonicTX@reddit
People are insecure.
Pkrbz@reddit
When I was a teenager you could get a gently used mustang gt with low miles babied by some old man for 8 years for 10k.
Now most new sports cars a dead segment, and your average “good sports cars” car is 30-40k+
If you want something new you’re spending 50k+
TerranceBaggz@reddit
By and large, and there are exceptions for collection cars, cars are a depreciating liability.
Charnathan@reddit
Spending money on a depreciating asset is pure luxury. Most people cannot afford luxuries in this economy, so they try to find economical ways to justify getting vehicles thay they enjoy. That's a perspective that money "gurus" like Ramsey are coming from. Their target audience is broke people and they are trying to coach them on how to not be broke anymore. A lot of people are broke because they just try to do what everyone else is doing and don't consider the long term implications of never investing in appreciating assets; only expenses and quickly depreciating assets.
But if you have income producing assets producing the money to spend on luxuries and it's what you want to do, then it doesn't really matter if you lose money to depreciation. It's just the cost of getting what you want. It's a different market segment.
At what point do you have enough money to just enjoy it on the things you want?
BudFox_LA@reddit
cars are NOT an asset, they are a liability. Drive the car you want, etc. but don't pretend it's an asset. Aside from a collectible car that appreciates in value, the vast majority of cars depreciate year over year AND cost you money to own and operate.
Butt_bird@reddit
If you can afford a project car more power to you.
Some people drive cars with 1000 dollar a month notes and 0 in their 401k. Car debt is higher than it’s ever been and repossessions are higher than they’ve ever been. Americans have a serious issue within car culture and thats what these people are reflecting on most likely.
If I spent damn near 100k on a truck I would obsess over it too. Your truck owns you not the other way around.
If you truly can afford your vehicle that’s great but that not the norm these days. I’ve been a mechanic for 25 years. I’ve watched the shift from compact cars and mini vans to trucks and SUVs.
GlobalTapeHead@reddit
I think you misunderstood. Cars are not an asset. Assets make you money, cars cost you money. The only time a car is an asset is if you use it to make money like in a tradecraft or you Uber or something like that.
Some people say it’s a depreciating asset. Whatever. It’s not an asset at all in the sense of an investment activity.
TrickyPineapple5863@reddit
As someone who worked on a 3000gt between 15-20 years ago, when they weren’t old enough to be actually cool, or new enough to be expensive, the 3000gt is the reason. J/k, sort of. They are absolutely awful to work on. With mediocre reliability. And more problems than benefits.
But I’m also an idiot, with a ‘48 ford, 92 civic, 98 Trooper, all “project cars”, motor swaps, and just kinda fun to drive. But a road trip might not be fun in them.
But the worst issue, all new vehicles are even worse garbage than the bad vehicles of the 90s and early 00s. The new vehicles are a computer with tons of software issues. That the manufacturers use to sell all your data they can collect. And the manufacturers force repairs to return to the dealers. Though they have always tried to do this. They have gotten far better at it recently. And they have even made the transmissions and engines even less reliable, mechanically somehow, than they used to be. Looking at GM 6.2/Denalis, Toyota Tundra v6, Honda 1.5T, some of the 3.5. And all of those were traditionally reliable, quality vehicles.
Tractorface123@reddit
I don’t think the cars I like could depreciate any more than they already have, I don’t buy them for a profit I buy them because I like them and enjoy working on and driving them
Dependent-Hurry9808@reddit
An asset that depreciates daily? What type of financial instrument is that?
Blu_yello_husky@reddit
Cars are worth more for longer than they used to be. 50 years ago, having a car that was 2-3 years old, it was worth less than 1/3 of its original value. Buying a used car that was 5 old years or older was like buying a 20 year old car now, both price wise and socially.
In short, people cared less about depreciation back then, because cars only cost a few thousand bucks brand new to start with, then after 8 months itll be worth half of what you paid anyway, so theres no reason to keep it nice for resale.
Ok_Location7161@reddit
Cause too many beeching about high prices of everything. Everywhere I turn, most people complaining. U cas buy ur dream car, just dont complain u got no cass po pay rent later on.
bradland@reddit
The group you're talking about are the "car collector" sub-culture within the broader car enthusiast community.
The reason you hearing from them the most is because they're up their own asses and love to talk about it, so they produce a ton of content. They're up their own asses about it because historically, this car collector sub-culture was limited to the very affluent. Talking about it is a way to signal that they are in the affluent in-group.
Now days, aspiration has become an entertainment product. A bunch of poor saps sit around watching videos of "new money" dudes debating the long term value of various generations of Porsche 911.
It's kind of a shame, because the whole genre was kicked off by some guys I think are genuine car guys with interesting backgrounds. Hoovies Garage, for example, was started by a serial bad decision maker Tyler Hoover. He approached cars from an asset perspective as a means to an end. He loved cars first, and used the asset value approach to own more cars that he loved.
Doug DeMuro is another one. Genuine car guy with quirky interests who has a good mind for business, and treats cars as assets so he can do what he loves without going broke.
The problem, IMO, is the long tail of shitty, clout chasing wannabes who I am absolutely not convinced give a single fuck about cars. They're just looking for any path to notariety.
Linckage40k@reddit
I don’t give a fuck and I will drive my 21 Mustang GT until it’s rotting in the grave with me. Cars were meant to be driven. Not garage queens.
AnotherDrone001@reddit
I feel like it’s mostly decades of people experiencing the pain of owning shitboxes that they pour thousands upon thousands of dollars into and lose their ass on it when they finally get tired of it enough to sell it. Everyone thinks they’ll love their car forever, never get tired of working on it, never sell it. But for many, the reality ends up being quite different.
In the end, most of the newer generation of car guys need to consider, are they really about that life? If you’re not going to work on it yourself, if you’re the type to replace your car once you can afford something better, then yeah you probably should be thinking about things like depreciation to avoid causing yourself additional pain. But for those that will hold on to a car for a long time, enjoy maintaining it and repairing it as much as upgrading and driving it, depreciation has never been a concern. It’s a hobby, not an investment. People don’t think about how much a set of golf clubs will depreciate. Or fishing rods. Same with cars if it’s your hobby and not just transportation or a status symbol.
Educational-Bass-444@reddit
My civic may be an asset. My mustang and LJ are toys. None are good investments.
bernardfarquart@reddit
You just need better friends
CreditReavus@reddit
When the economy was way better, buying luxuries like higher end cars wasn’t really a big deal financially. But now in this economy a car could literally bankrupt you
Trick_Image@reddit
Im not sure who you are talking to but the 35 year old project/ fun car i have has only gone up in value. I feel thats probably true for most older, still in good condition sports cars
jonnyt88@reddit
I was 26 years old when I bought a project MR2 and was house shopping....
Alternatively I was looking at a beater AWD and a nicer sports car. I'm glad I got the project sports car because I learned a lot fixing it up, and I had a reliably vehicle for life/work
A project 3000gt it not a make it or break it on your investments. Project 3000GT is what, $5k? Its not like you dropped a down payment for a house on it.
if its a VR4 it'll likely appreciate anyways.
RustBeltLab@reddit
You are dumb for having a project Mitsubishi if we are being honest. Why do you think that was a one generation car?
UmatterWHENiMATTER@reddit
Assholes tend to eject shit.
Don't hang out with them if you don't like shit.
I remember car buddies used to be the ones sending you terrible purchasing decisions on wheels all the time.
corruptboomerang@reddit
Because everyone is getting squeezed. In the past people had a lot more free money the difference in cost between an eco box and a nice car was a lot less. Just a few days ago, I was saying to a friend, at the moment EVERYTHING feels like a scam where your waiting to find out how they tricked you.
Thunderb1rd02@reddit
It's true cars are a waste of money from a financial standpoint, that's not debatable. But everyone has hobbies, and when you have a hobby, you are not investing, you are enjoying what you like. Anyone outside that hobby will perceive what they are not willing to spend as a waste.
Ask those people what they spend on their hobbies.
If you can afford it, then you do you and enjoy it.
Why-am-I-here-anyway@reddit
From my perspective, the "car guy" attitude worked much better when I was able to buy/sell cars in the $3-5k range and still be getting drivable, interesting cars. Now, it takes $15-20k minimum to do that - so the entry point is much higher and feels more like it has to be evaluated as an investment - which cars are terrible for in general.
MarkVII88@reddit
I bought my first house when I was 23. I still have it today, 22 years later. I actually own 2 houses now, the second being a brand new home that I had built when I was 30 years old. And I'd consider myself a fool to buy an overly expensive, or extravagant, or additional vehicle that I didn't actually need. I have owned several brand new vehicles in my time, but none of them were expensive for the time, or performance-oriented, and I owned each of them for a considerable period of time (ranging from 8-14 years). I still own the 2012 Mazda that I bought brand new. For the most part, I do all my own automotive repairs and maintenance too. I'd much rather have a few million dollars in my retirement account when I'm 60 than to have owned a project car that I sunk tens of thousands of dollars, and years of time into, or to have bought or leased higher-end cars every few years of my adult life. I'd much rather be the millionaire next door.
I'm thinking long-term financially, but regardless, I've still been able to have a very happy marriage, own 2 homes, and raise 3 kids who are now either in college or high school. All while saving for retirement and enjoying what is sure to be more time off with various trips or vacation experiences than most Americans will have in their lifetime. And even with all this privilege, I still think it's a waste of money to own more cars than I can use, or to own any vehicle for any reason beyond what it economical, reliable, and practical transportation.
PiP_Art3mis@reddit
It's not all that new, tbh, you're just seeing it more likely from feeds
My parents back in the 90s/00s would go on about new cars being a scam because you lose __ % value as soon as you leave the lot, "Why would I spend $1000 on getting the AC fixed if the car's only worth $____? I'm better off just trading it in", and so on
I think it's dumb but that's their problem, not mine.
I'm in the camp of "cars are a liability, not an investment", so despite my car being ""worth less"" than all the suspension work I'm about to put into it the way I see it it's significantly less cost than any used or new car would ever be
OG_Karate_Monkey@reddit
I personally can really appreciate - and have enjoyed - performance cars. That said….
The issue I see is that people can loose a a lot of perspective when buying something as expensive as car. Too often, they think of price differences in terms of percentage increase rather than absolute numbers.
So lets say you can get an perfectly good (but unexciting) car for 50K, or a sexier one for 70K.
The question is, how much is that extra car actually worth? when something costs an extra 20K, I have to ask myself “are there better things to do with 20K?”.
And the answer is pretty always “yes”.
20-30K is a new roof and paint job for the house.
Or - if I want to spend it on stuff that brings me joy…. a pretty nice MTB plus Gravel bike, plus nice electric AND acoustic guitar, great amp, all the guitar pedals I want.
And I think if most people really thought about it, they could think of better ways to spend that extra money to bring them joy.
Now, maybe you really are someone for whom that car upgrade is going to be the best way to spend that extra money. If so, do it.
OTOH, if you are someone who spends 3 hours every day in your car, comforts are worth something extra.
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
Yeah I get you . My daily is a 25 fully loaded CT5-V 😂. I genuinely work and go home rinse and repeat , and never was a fan of designer clothes , clubbing on weekends etc. so I just kinda splurge on my cars , I pay every bill in the house AND the mortgage and my wife and dog are well provided for so I figured I could just splurge on myself lol
04limited@reddit
Cars are a hobby expense. It goes from expensive to really expensive. End of story. No need to justify it any other way. Nobody bats an eye when parents spend tens of thousands on their kid’s extra curricular/competitions - because it’s easier for most people to justify. Most people have kids. But most people aren’t into cars.
If you have a house and a relatively inexpensive project car you’re doing fine. The people who need to worry are the ones who have zero assets zero savings blowing every dime on their car just to replace it a few years later. I was guilty of this in my early 20s. I think all in I probably blew close to 100k between depreciation, repairs, parts. Kinda left the car scene as I got older but I don’t regret it abit. You only live once.
Ragnar-Wave9002@reddit
Because we all saw that car guy in our family grow to be 70 years old. BROKE AS FUCK.
Your primary car should be practical. If you have enough money to go blow on a second $30K toy go for it. Most people simply can not afford a $30K toy.
The oldest saying in the world. Rich people show off their homes. Poor people show off their cars.
ApprehensiveWash7969@reddit
Your thinking like a car guy. Only another car guy will understand. My concern would be parts and how realistic would it be to repair that 3000 GT. I hear it was a very tech heavy sports cruiser that is not easy to fix.
Not going into the financial aspect of this. We car guys understand its not about the cost but the passion of putting something together. And if you can afford it what's the issue?
Best of luck on your project car.
YozaSkywalker@reddit
I've spent twice the amount of money my cars are worth keeping them nice. I don't care.
mikebunchkin3727@reddit
Yea, when it comes to cars, enthusiasts don’t really care about depreciation.
Glum_Introduction755@reddit
It's because a bunch of people are broke and trying to make other people as miserable as they are. Fuck 'em. Life is about finding things that make you happy.
As an aside, Dave Ramsey can eat a dick.
N_ModeVN@reddit
Wait why care that folks call you dumb. It’s your life bro, live it.
When economic times get tough, people care more about what they buy for their money… depreciation etc. what it will be worth in a few years matters.
Did I worry about that with my ND3? No. Why it’s my life and I live it my way. When people criticize me, I could care less.
SaveJeanie@reddit
Because they are.
Just because you aren't making money directly does not mean it's not generating real returns.
E.g. you can invest time, money and energy in your health.
omaregb@reddit
Because you are hearing opinions if people who can't actually afford a car.
AngryDrnkBureaucrat@reddit
Cars are no more an asset than a refrigerator or washing machine.
Cars are consumables. Very expensive consumables that you may be able to sell one day for money - but consumables. NOT assets.
Forsaken_Election708@reddit
Ignore those people. Dave Ramsey is good for those in financial distress. But if you have the means, do it! You can’t take money with you when you die.
A few years ago I bought a hot tub, and a bunch of my friends said “don’t do it, it’s a depreciating asset.” My simple retort: it’s not an asset. It’s a toy that I will enjoy for as long as I have it and I do not care how much value it loses over time.
Same thing with my camper, motorcycles, and side-by-side. They’re all toys to bring smiles to me and my family. And they all have done that and will hopefully continue to do so for years to come. I’d rather have an expensive toy I can have fun with whenever I want instead of an expensive vacation.
salvage814@reddit
It's still a very old mindset to have that thinks you should invest in stocks and index funds and be a millionaire before 45.
Cars can very much be an investment. If you buy the right one. Or subscribe to the Ed Bolin view of things. Look like you won the lottery 20 years ago.
Dave Ramsey is a bit of an idiot. Yes he has good points about not being in debt. But he also focuses on real estate. He has added to the problem of lack of home ownership and it isn't a good form of passive income. Cause passive income doesn't exist.
Just diversify your investments. You can do stocks, index funds and cars and still be well off.
JimmyCradle@reddit
Post your car in r/projectcar.
And I never think about resale value. I drive em into the ground.
NarcoticCow@reddit
Are they? Sounds like your algorithm.
And you can live the life you want to live - even if everyone was treating them as an asset - provided you have the funds, you can disregard the sentiment. You’re your own being.
frost-bite999@reddit
You are on the Reddit too much. This is what happens when a bunch of white collar folks get together to talk about blue collar hobbies.
Real gear heads are on the forums reading project threads, not worrying about upvotes
JimiForPresident@reddit
Good job getting the house first. If you can afford the car too, then you earned it, enjoy. Fuck em.
JuicieBrucie@reddit
I think it’s because disposable incomes are so much lower now, vehicles are so much more expensive, and most modern vehicles are not made to last a long time. Most people saying “I bought this car because I love it” didn’t actually buy it. They financed it at crippling monthly payments they can’t afford, that run for many years, and as the vehicle ages those payments will put the owner underwater on the transaction for a while.
If someone can legitimately afford to spend that kind of money purely on passion, joy, or a toy, then that’s awesome. But ruining yourself financially for a depreciating object is a terrible, but unfortunately very common, decision.
Not to mention, the joy for most people fades long before the payments do, and they then think joy will be found in the next big purchase. Then the cycle repeats.
Diptothaset@reddit
When I got my car in 2016 it was my first new car financed, payment was $245 biweekly over 7 years which was not a small ammount. That financial decision has gotten considerably better with hindsight
I’m nearing 300k kms, very minimal repairs needed over that time, car very reliable and enough power to enjoy it and with supply being shit post Covid and now just heavily inflated prices that decision gets better everyday.
No-Handle-66@reddit
Because cars are so much more expensive now. The cost of a new car has risen faster than the rate of inflation, so a new car is a bigger "investment" now compared to one's earnings.
A 3 or 4 year car loan used to be standard 30 years ago. Now it's 5 or 6 years, which means you are paying interest longer for a depreciating asset. 20% of new car loans are for 7 years.
30% of car buyers are "upside-down" (owe more than the car is worth) on their loan after trading in a car they hadn't paid off yet.
This is why Dave Ramsey says not to buy a new car. Cars are the number 1 reason why middle class Americans don't build wealth.
NuclearHateLizard@reddit
3000gt is an objectively terrible car, coming from a tech who has worked on several. You do you man, but I'm not surprised some people think you have some issues 🤣. If you know though, then you know. Good luck with the project, all ribbing and jokes aside. But these days when everything costs double or triple what it should, I dunno I get it to a certain degree. But I'm an enthusiast and I always will be, I only became a tech to justify owning sports cars. My truck is for when I'm hauling stuff
SuitablePilot9645@reddit
I was in the same boat. Had multiple vehicles and a house. I ended up getting a c5 z06 project. The pressure of everyone saying I made a bad decision did get annoying, I just tuned them out after a year so. But I was loosing sleep on it hard in the beginning. A lot of people around me would be like “ instead of retiring with 3 million in your 401k your only going to have 2 million” I’m like dude I grew up on top ramen, let me enjoy my 11 mpg idc. 😂
gnocchistuffed@reddit
first of all dave ramsey is not really as savvy as he'd like to think. he says really unnuanced obtuse things about a number of topics. however, he does raise people's awareness to pay more attention to their finances so i guess it is better than nothing.
if one is talking about just transportation, for the vast majority of people, getting an appliance type vehicle like an accord or camry with the depreciation gone (2-3 years old) yeah that's prob the most financially smart thing if you are buying it as an appliance.
you have a project car which makes it more of a hobby than a transportation appliance. you are allowed to live and have hobbies. whether they are too expensive or not is a judgement call...
enjoy your 300gt
noladutch@reddit
It has to do with the fact that car prices have out paced inflation by a great deal.
So yes you follow desperation on that 45k buck base f150 compared to that 13,000 buck base f150 you bought in 1986.
Yes I paid for both of those and that 86 adjusted for inflation is like 6k dollars less
MurkyTrainer7953@reddit
Depreciation only impacts you if you sell it. Just keep all your cars forever like me.
Demented-Alpaca@reddit
For some reason everyone decided everything had to have a cost/benefit analysis that was based soley on future values. Nothing that has a negative balance in that equation is a good "investment"
Yeah, well not everything is a financial INVESTMENT. Some things are just FUN.
I have a Miata. was it a good investment? Nope. But it also wasn't a financial instrument. It's FUN. I enjoy it. I like working on it, I like driving it. The fact that it gets 33mph was just a bonus.
Lots of car guys and gals exist.
Cars exist on a spectrum that's pure utility on one end and a statement of personality on the other. For most people they sit somewhere in the middle.
For finance people they seem to think they should sit all the way down at the pure utility side where the cheapest vehicle that meets your needs is what you buy. For car folks they sit much further up on the personality scale. We don't always drive the most utilitarian or convenient vehicles.
Environmental-Rub933@reddit
You answered your own question, you’re hanging around too many Dave Ramsey blowers. Try to find actual car guys and you’ll enjoy the hobby much more
Golf-Guns@reddit
A project 3000gt especially with a house purchase isn't dumb. And hell even if you listened to Ramsey, paying cash, keeping total in wheels and engine below half your income is all in his okay box.
I had cool cars up until I had kids, then the room, money and time tied in it quit making sense for me.
The only thing to consider is the value of money invested at a young age is very substantial. I know the 4g63 and Mitsubishi in general was a pretty affordable back in the day. I don't know if that's still the case. Obviously putting shit on credit cards or Klarma to get it running faster isn't the move. If you got a house and are investing, spending money on cars may be your thing over golfing, clubbing or traveling. Do it if it makes you happy. Everyone waste money occasionally. It's important that you're smiling when you do it
f700es@reddit
3000GTs were cool!
seighton@reddit
Depreciation is an accounting cost not a finance cost. If you buy a car for $100k and own it for 20 years, there is no depreciation cost. It is not a cost you incur unless you make it one. So a car guy might be dumb if he buys new cards every other year and sells them etc then they are taking on depreciation cost. It just depends how you roll. I like to own a car for 8-10 years and let the depreciation cost flatten out so it is pretty irrelevant.
New_Line4049@reddit
To be clear, Dave Ramsey does sometimes encourage them to go for the car they want. I tend to agree with him though, when he's telling people not to buy the car his its usually because people are either overstretching their finances and taking on credit they cant afford to do it, or because they want to buy the car as an investment and Dave is saying no thats not how it works.
I think the reason though that the financial side is being talked about more is because cars have got soon much more expensive compared to wages. Once upon a time finance wasnt really a thing, now its rare to find a car not on finance. When something is such a huge financial burden you really do have to think about the financial to not end up in financial ruin. People arent buying cool cars because theyre a bsd investment. People aren't buying cool cars because they can't afford them, then just using the bad investment line to avoid admitting that they cant afford them.
mr802rex@reddit
That's why I own cars that I love AND appreciate. I've never had any vehicle that has depreciated and I've had like 50 vehicles. My current daily driver is a 50 year old truck I could easily sell for 2x what I paid for it, and my car is also worth easily 2-3x what I built it for.
PM_Me_A_High-Five@reddit
People online are toxic. Spend less time on social media.
Tuques@reddit
Because the majority of drivers now are not enthusiasts and only care about their vehicle because it gets them from point a to point be. They basically treat their vehicle as an appliance
TheMightyKunkel@reddit
Broke.
More people are broke. They are really piecing out the financials beforehand, because the stretch to the car they really want has gotten a lot harder to justify.
40-50 years ago, necessities were pretty cheap, jobs were more secure, and your wages went up more reliably.
Now our wages are stagnant, our cost of living is through the roof, and we're playing more at the margins because we have less room for error.
Plus we have Reddit to go and ask people questions on, lol. (even 10-15 years ago, Reddit subs were less generalist and more enthusiast driven, less talk about practical concerns than now)
bostonhockey_80@reddit
Most people cannot fathom something being a utility and fun consumption at the same time. And want to feel better about the compromise they made on their boring car lol
No_Caregiver7273@reddit
Life is a depreciating asset. Buy whatever makes you get the biggest kick out of it. Look em dead in the eye and say, "Yeah, but I'm worth it."
KostyaFedot@reddit
Lets skip complaining.
Males do all kinds of odd things. Bicycles at the cost of car. Boats at the cost of ten+ cars.
Is it dumb? Might be, but it supports manufacturing jobs. And not outsourced ones.
I would love to drive old car, which looks like cars, not a soap bar.
But politicians in EU are against of keeping cars in use for long time. Speaking about real dumbies.
Galromir@reddit
Some people are just broken inside and are unable to think of life as anything other than a spreadsheet. In some unfortunate souls, the condition deteriorates and they eventually become known as 'Accountants'.
jaaaaagggggg@reddit
I love personal finance but also cars. Those people on r/daveramsey and r/personal finance apparently only love saving and investing. Even when Dave’s ultra conservative advise would allow someone to splurge on a $100k car there are people in those subs chiming in how the would never do such a thing. Don’t worry about them
LankyJeep@reddit
Your algorithm is messing with your perception of what people are doing or are thinking as a whole.
Plenty of people are buying cars because they are in it for the fun of it, granted less people are buying cars in general but people are buying less stuff in general at the moment
timmeh-eh@reddit
100% this! I’ve grown increasingly cynical about anything I read online due to the way the various algorithms are trying to capture my interest rather than provide an objective view of things.
Monster51915@reddit
That’s most modern Toyota buyers I feel. Like personally I bought my car for its capability, looks, and utility. Many people nowadays though only care about its resale value like you said and I think it’s because they keep swapping vehicles every few years so they are constantly paying basically a monthly subscription for a car. I got my car and I don’t intend to sell it until it dies or I truly need another vehicle with more. My parents have it where they have their cars and they haven’t traded them in because there’s no reason to. Why get something new when what they have isn’t broken?
I’ve saw a video comparing an almost stock but top trim Toyota Land Cruiser 250 vs a kitted out offroad Subaru forester hybrid and one of the comments said “why not just by the Toyota, the accessories on the Subaru won’t be worth anything when you sell the car”. Now it was a good point but also a bad one because I personally don’t think someone’s going to modify their car a ton just to sell it in a couple years.
Nice-Sheepherder-794@reddit
It’s a combination of factors.
Money buys far less than it used to - especially due to COVID related inflation and inflation relating to the current administration in the United States - so buying the wrong car at the wrong time can be devastating to someone’s long term financial picture.
Separately, the accelerated implementation of AI makes a lot of employees in a more precarious position than they would have historically been in regard to their job security/advancement.
Also, children (including child care) are more expensive than they ever have been, and many households do not fully account for such expense when they plan on having children.
The list continues…
Depress-Mode@reddit
True car guys don’t car about depreciation if they like the car.
My dream is to have something people baby and stick 200k miles on it as a daily.
Talentless_Cooking@reddit
With respect, the 3000gt is a super cool car, they may have been calling you dumb because they are known for never working.
ObviousAlias7@reddit
As with any hobby, there are plenty of folks who don't give a flying F about it. For instance, i build reef tanks. Anyone who is into them can tell you how much a 250 gal reef tank will cost. Some folks will balk at that number.
As much as i consider myself a car guy, when we purchased a wife for me vehicle (who cares 0 about cars in general) we viewed that purchase as solely a (depreciating) asset. We bought her an appliance, with numbers in mind like Dave Ramsey would love.
However when I bought myself a new car...I bought based on my heart and what I love.
Cpolo88@reddit
Not every car guy is babying the shit out of the car I like just to sell it and have the next owner really enjoy it. F that. I'm driving my cars till they are tired boss 😂
Cool_Butterscotch_88@reddit
Which small inexpensive SUV do you recommend?
Reddit: NO! You can maybe afford a 1990 corolla with 300k miles, IF you can't just fix whatever pos you already have.
Smells4240@reddit
A car's not an asset.
NoExplanation8595@reddit
The right cars definitely are. My mk4 Supra seems to increase 5% per year
Business_Cell8487@reddit
Yes it is lol. Especially if it’s paid off. That’s not even considered in America it’s how most people HAVE to get to their job.
Life-Berry602@reddit
Of course it is. It is typically a depreciating asset, but an asset nonetheless.
MarzyXP@reddit
It’s a liability.
greenpowerman99@reddit
It's a nice feeling when your old car starts going up in value instead of down. Takes a while though! :-)
Nearby_Knowledge8014@reddit
Because once upon a time, cars were awesome.
Ultrabananna@reddit
Economy. If you can afford it who cares but during a period there were people buried in high interest debt plus depreciation after 4-5 years the car was worth close to nothing while you owe way more than the car is worth. My friends bmw 5 series was worth 10-15,000 on the market he paid about 60,000 something before interest and taxes. His paycheck basically went to rent, gas, car payment, insurance, and repairs/maintenance. Nothing left. Dude would've been so much better off financially with a civic but he was a car guy and wanted a bmw at 18% interest.
meatinmybriefs@reddit
You're viewing this through the lens of media consumption, which rarely reflects reality. Spend less time on Youtube and more time with people. Most people don't care about that stuff like media/influencers would like you to believe.
CLSonReddit@reddit
Hey an easy question I can answer!
Because the majority of people are more focused on managing their assets and have less discretionary income!
dangerclosecustoms@reddit
Learn the most important lesson . Stop caring what other people think or say about you or what you choose to do.
Is a car an investment? No. It is fact cars depreciate. Classic and custom cars can be an investment but also can be huge loss. It depends on if someone wants to buy it at said price.
If you’re driving it around then it’s not an investment piece. Even a Ferrari is depreciating based on miles on it. A high mileage specialty car is still worth less then the same one with less miles.
If you like cars then buy it and drive it. Enjoy it and don’t worry about it. But also don’t kid yourself that you used your money wisely. Be honest with yourself you splurged on yourself and something you liked or wanted. Can you put your money towards something. That makes you more money, yes. But even investments have risk and no guarantees .
The main difference is houses and real estate generally appreciate. It they have risks too. Many people buy houses that have issues or the area has issues later that lowers the value. A property can be a good investment but can also be a loosing one. They just typically are more likely to hold or gain value.
bravehawklcon@reddit
Enjoy life man, it’s your hobby you should have something to look forward to.
hashswag00@reddit
If you can afford the hobby without taking loans, do what you like.
stacksmasher@reddit
That dude is a shill....
https://www.montgomerybrits.org/2015-dave-ramseys-car-and-plane-collection/
No-Suggestion-9459@reddit
So, tell us about the 3000GT. Those are pretty sweet.
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
She’s coming together , it’s a 1992 VR4 . I got forged internals,Just got the heads tanked and machined , got the 4 bolt bottom end and an MLS head gasket , 18 G arashi turbos . I’m just missing an ECU and td05 manifold (it’s getting fabricated right now) AND I have a friend making a big brake kit that I’m finding , she’s a CAD and 3000gt NERD
No-Suggestion-9459@reddit
Very nice. And I'm jealous.
You're doing the work yourself so the expensive part is handled. Even if you have to pump a couple thousand into the car each year to keep it going, it'll still be cheaper than a new car.
People are crazy lol.
Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit
I think its great youre into cars.
That 3000gt will be fun. And challenging.
The auto parts have gone up. That can be one part of it.
Vehicles arent depreciating as fast as they used to, and or the bottom of the market needs re aligned. I see too many vehicles on marketplace asking for 4k+ that are a flat tire away from the scrap heap.
Spyderbeast@reddit
3000GT! I would love to see a beautifully restored one
My cars are assets in that they provide comfortable and reliable transportation
I think the intangible of reliability is far undervalued by the budget people. I get places on time with very rare exceptions. A person who can't manage that may acquire a poor reputation through no fault of their own, but it may plague them regardless. I'd rather be someone who can be counted on
I'll be the first to admit, I did spend foolishly in my youth, replacing vehicles after a short period of time. I'm keeping them longer now. I'm more comfortable doing that because I know who babied them their whole life (my SUV is 11 years old, just under 100k miles, and has been a tank. It is paid off and still has a lot of utility to offer, so I kept it when I bought my current "daily", a 2023 coupe)
Tl;dr - if I keep a vehicle 10 years or more, it's worth it to buy new
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
Yeah same boat. I got a CT5-V last weekend because my wife was telling me how she always saw me watching videos on it and I should get it . She said that since I pay the mortgage and every bill that she could pick up some of the bills so I sold my K5 and got a steal of a deal on one with bumper to bumper warranty for like 6 years and I’m hoping to keep it as long as possible . I’ll buy another warranty whenever this one ends
LOGGATO@reddit
I have a lot of project cars and my wife and I are financial mutants (moneyguy term). we know sometimes It's ok to spend for things we want as long as it's there to spend.
Big-Emu-5728@reddit
It’s all about who you surround yourself with. I just poured $25k into an E92 M3 engine rebuild.
I love it. My best friend who is a huge enthusiast loves it. My wife tolerates it. That’s all that matters.
You can be both a cost conscious high earner & saver and a car enthusiast / degenerate at the same time
jstar77@reddit
For the vast majority of people cars are a tool that they use to do the job of getting from one place to the next. It's why we see so much focus on interior and infotainment features, It's where the majority of time is spent interacting with the car. It's also why all cars are starting to look exactly the same on the exterior you've got CUV/SUV, and Trucks. These two form factors are what the majority of consumers need to make their tool most effective.
There is certainly a market for the edge cases and these are the "Car Guys" but most people just want to get in their vehicle, be comfortable, push the pedal and get to their destination with out having to worry about anything.
Beard_Hero@reddit
Your audience and content intake has changed. It's always been a bad financial decision, but so long as you recognize it and are accepting of it, then who cares. People just have more platforms to call other people stupid. But you're also into a point in life where you're considering financial responsibility, so you'll be reminded of poor financial decisions.
I have project vehicles (pural) and know they are burn pits for money. But I also don't buy clothes on a regular basis or spend much on them when I do. I'm "frugal" elsewhere and own my home. I still set aside a fair amount of money for retirement/investment/etc. So it's not that you can't have a toy, or shouldn't have a toy, it's that on paper when strictly talking about the best financial decisions you can make for long term benefit, project cars are a negative not a positive.
PhilsFanDrew@reddit
Because most people don't value cars the same way that enthusiasts or hobbyists do. For most people, cars are a tool to get from point A to point B and back. I don't agree with Dave Ramsey and his "only pay cash for vehicles" advice but he's not wrong that too many people get suckered in to buying more car than they can truly afford.
With that said spending any money on a hobby is sub optimal in terms of saving money or building wealth. But we all have a limited time on this Earth and could be gone tomorrow so it's reasonable to balance enjoyment for today with responsible planning for the future.
ozpinoy@reddit
Car is never an asset for me and it's better of invested somewhere.
BUT!
I also have a funding for what I want. If it's going to go to cars so be it.
People do min-max and forget about what they want. (balance). ofcourse, I'm enver ever gonna get an audi, porche - heck ferrari - its' waay out of my reach.
MulberryMonk@reddit
I need to know if it’s a VR4 or not before judging you
Exact_Organization84@reddit (OP)
92 VR4! Came with extra engine , transmission and transfer case
Emergency_Tennis_167@reddit
I mean my dumb@$$ has 3 cars and a motorcycle. Paid off. If you finance anything, you’re automatically paying too much if not double the pricetag over the period of paying for it. By the time it’s paid off, it’s worth less than what you paid.
HFrog2k@reddit
Join a local car club. They will both understand AND be able to help provide tips/resources for your project.
nordicman21@reddit
It doesn’t seem like the emotional tie to cars is as strong as it used to be, and what you’re describing is an emotional buying decision. Rational financial decisions would be to not buy something that depreciates by 40% the second you drive off the lot, but to buy used and let someone else suffer that depreciation in exchange for the elation of having a brand new car. The other rational financial decision would be to avoid paying interest on a depreciating asset. Not to be too Dave Ramsey-ish, but the smart financial decision is to pay cash for a used car.
rhaizee@reddit
It's not just cars bro. The economy got people looking at value cost and side hustles. I got people telling me my android phone won't hold value as good as an iphone. It's a phone I dont care!! Not an asset. I plan on giving it away or trashing it when I get a new phone.
Jolrit@reddit
My reply would be “sorry you’re poor”.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
Because that's what cars literally are. They're tools that are functionally necessary for transportation in most of the country, and as a result, families have to evaluate what % of their budget is spent on transportation.
Most people don't buy a car because they want one. They buy one because they need one, and the result is a large chunk of their disposable income is gone. And they want to keep that as low as possible, while still having a car that fits into their overall standard.
The idea that cars are more than that due to emotional satisfaction is unique and niche. That's what makes it a hobby. You're free to of course spend money on hobbies, but doing so is never the "financially smart" idea. You're allowed to make poor financial decisions for your own enjoyment. But there's no reason to pretend they were good financial decisions. I spend too much on a computer more powerful than what I need. I spend too much on high end food. I spend too much on travel - all decisions I acknowledge are non-optimal financial decisions.
South_Ad_2109@reddit
Hang out with different people!
special5221@reddit
Because car companies have slowly sucked the soul out of new cars. A lot of boring crossovers that are just economy cars of the past with more ground clearance. Almost every car is black, grey, or white. Interiors are a wall of cheaply made screens that look luxurious. Every ounce of tech is unnecessarily shoved into cars with bloated price tags. The side effect of this move towards tech and screens means the aftermarket upgrades are difficult to impossible. With everything integrated into one screen, if it breaks your SOL and can only be replaced with the same OEM part.
Simply put, manufacturers have moved to cheap boring vehicles in the name of profit, but have killed the most loyal group of enthusiasts.
alanbdee@reddit
Dave Ramsey did help me rethink how I look at cars. But at the same time, a project car like a 3000gt is just that, a project car and a hobby. Who am I to tell you how to spend your money?
I do agree with him on the front that most people should get a good reliable car and drive it until it dies. But even he will say, if you've got the cash, you can get the toy. Just don't finance it. He would consider that car a toy. It's also not a car that's going to go down in value. He's mostly speaking of people who buy a new car every couple years.
MarzyXP@reddit
Cars are liabilities not assets.
jimmy-buffett@reddit
Trying to imagine what a "project 3000gt" costs, I'm assuming not too much. So the investment suggestion is pointless. Was the 3000GT something you specifically wanted, or was it just a good opportunity? If you asked me to rank the most likely '90's JDM project cars, it's like 5th on the list.
My advice: learn to ignore people. It's your money and your time, they don't get a say. Most of them have never done what you're about to do. Do a good job on your car and you will get respect for the effort.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
Why are car guys so thin skinned now? So what, guys rib on each other.
wpmason@reddit
Because they’re ridiculously expensive and equally fragile now.
Old cars were a lot easier to keep roadworthy for cheap.
Modern cars simply won’t last no matter what you do.
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
It depends on the people around you. In our enthusiast group nobody cares about these things.
Original_Bicycle5696@reddit
Depreciation is an expense in this hobby people don't like to discuss.
People will happily spend money on travel, but the net loss (after sale) of my last project was 2k over 3 years. I just had 12k tied up over that time.
667$ a year is less than most people's travel budget.
People are absolutely dogshit looking at their personal finances. DIY also removes a zero off the cost of this hobby.
ActuallyFullOfShit@reddit
Because they’re significantly more expensive relative to incomes. In 1980, median car price was 4 months of median income. Today it’s almost 8 months.
jrileyy229@reddit
Go to a track day and see how many people are blowing money living life and not endlessly squirrelling money away so they can have nothing to spend it on when they're 65.
Maximum-Molasses-143@reddit
Cars are not investments they are depreciating assets. On rare occasion they will go up in value like an R34 GTR but that’s the exception not the rule. If you like cars and want to buy your dream car do it but to me it’s just like spending money on restaurants or travel, I consider it gone to never be seen again….def not an investment.
Gofastrun@reddit
Thats not what Dave Ramsay says.
He says this, and he says it over and over.
Your vehicles should not be worth more than 50% of your income. You should buy used until your net worth is $1M.
Unless you’re broke your 3000GT is probably Ramsay approved
LivingGhost371@reddit
I'm 52 and I've seen computers, the internet, and social media cause the decline of a lot of traditional hobbies as people find other interests.
AdhesiveSeaMonkey@reddit
Not mine. I drive mine straight into the ground. My newest care is 11 years old, my other one, my daily driver, is 21. When one explodes, I get another used one.
Logical-Pair-89@reddit
Nothing like seeing seniors in their dream cars and having no clue how to drive em cause they never partook when they were young. Ah, yes. Enjoy life after 70, when everyone is most famously most able to do, experience, and enjoy things.
biggranny000@reddit
I'm 27 and have owned 7 cars. Cars are my hobby and make me happy. I also like PC gaming, RC cars, biking, weight lifting, etc.
It's your money spend it how you want. I want to enjoy cars before we have to go to EVs or be restricted by tech, or I get too old.
I'm also chronically ill now because I got 4 diseases from a tick bite so I might as well enjoy it now, I had to go outside the system/insurance to find a doctor that will help me.
jasonsong86@reddit
I mean cars were more affordable back then.
beesandchurgers@reddit
I recently spun a rod bearing on my first gen brz (its a subaru thing) and bought a second car to drive while I rebuild the engine.
With exception to my car guy friends everyone I know thinks Im a weirdo for wanting to repair my car rather than sell it.
Theyve turned cars into appliances and cell phones
Inner-Chemistry2576@reddit
Because some people are dumb.
DishRelative5853@reddit
They're not. Your premise is incorrect.
briancmoses@reddit
The only people whose opinion matters are the ones that are paying for your car.
iHaveLotsofCats94@reddit
Your car can't depreciate if you only buy at the bottom of the curve. I bought my Crown Vic for $500, put a few grand into it, and could probably sell it for 6-7k tomorrow if I wanted to. Same with my old F150 that I got for stupid cheap.
Your friends got nothing on me, baby.
kooldudeV2@reddit
Mostl my friends and family love their cars and mod them. Car community is booming, so no.
BakhtiariBob@reddit
At some point you do what makes you happy. Assuming you are investing in your 401k, have a decent savings, etc. If you have some $$ left over have fun w it. Don't delay to retirement that's silly a 1000 things could happen before then. There will always be naysayers for everything, you don't need their validation take care of yourself and have fun. I hope you're enjoying your car!
Frequent_Cut_1251@reddit
I look at my car, and really all the cars I’ve had, not as appliances but as something that brings me pleasure. I never buy cars new, but always buy cars that are fun to drive and own. I research the object of my affection, find out what to avoid, then maintain them well. I’ve only had one go belly up on me (not surprisingly a Range Rover), but even that one was fantastic until it puked. I’ve never understood looking at cars as tools. Whether you like it or not, personally subscribe to it or not, you are not so much judged but kind classified by what you drive by a fairly large demographic of people. Buying and driving a car made for people who don’t like cars doesn’t appeal to me. But unless you are buying rare cars that are highly sought after and likely already highly expensive, they are all depreciating assets.
Then-Shake9223@reddit
In my experience people who call cars depreciating assets are: insurance company agents, and people who cannot drive/afford a car.
DirectAbalone9761@reddit
Honestly, part of it is that most cars are already good cars with quite good handling, commuting performance (or better), and fairly efficient.
Old cars of the early 90’s, and especially earlier, were much less capable as cost went down. I’ve driven 1950’s cars and pickups, and even “nice” ones handle like ass compared to new cars. I’ve driven average cars from the 70’s through today. Again, the economy car today is phenomenal compared to the economy car of those days.
So from a strictly practical point, buying a nicer car isn’t necessary to have a good, safe car anymore.
They also cost way more today as a proportion of consumer income than a car from the 70’s. So it’s significantly more expensive to buy a nicer car just because you want it.
And lastly, except for dedicated sports cars, there’s a fair amount of homogeneity between brands and classes. The top of the line production model isn’t that much nicer than the base model, it’s mostly entertainment systems and trim packages, and some upgraded power trains, but again, the economy car is already perfectly capable for 95% of a drivers needs.
Now, this is “ask car guys”, where yeah, we do like the nerdy or design differences of specific cars, so this group will buy the car they want if they’re capable. But I feel like your question is pointed at the masses, so I answered that way.
Lastly, almost all cars are liabilities, not assets. For the average person they are a drain on their wealth, which is why buying a decent used car, or an economy new car are almost always the prudent financial choice for the average driver. One exception is for business related vehicles, of which, many American tradespeople still foolishly buy pickup trucks when they really need vans, or they should commit to a cab and chassis class 2/3/4 truck with the appropriate toolbox/cargo setup.
fore___@reddit
The fuck are you talking about
-antipode@reddit
I was told so much that they're depreciating assets that it's caused the opposite impact where I don't even view them as assets. Just something to buy.
To me they're like laptops. Sure I could buy a $400 one that works. But if I have the money I don't mind spending 1500+ to get something fun.
Same with cars. Just make sure you're living within your means and investing and you're good to go.
crashbumper@reddit
I have an old 1984 Toyota Cressida. I bought it from the original owner in 2004. I still own it; and I did a turbo and manual swap back in 2005. On paper, it will NEVER pencil out or make sense, but it doesn't fucking matter. When you love driving a car, none of the financial stuff matters. It's an experience some people are sadly missing out on.
Specialist_Cable_899@reddit
this is a you issue. pay less attention to internet morons who’s only car is mommies Camry. and guys like Dave Ramsey are the biggest idiots on YouTube. be less of a sheep
7ar5un@reddit
Yo, the 3000gt is a cool car.
giraffees4justice@reddit
The hobby has changed, I am the car guy friend and most of my friends would be happy driving a toaster. We all give eachother crap about our various hobbies though.
Financially I’d never recommend you stop contributing to retirement or something, but beyond that enjoy the hobbies and find some more car friends.
InvestedOcelot@reddit
There are extremes to everything but as long as you are not screwing yourself over like many people do just enjoy it
Hard_Head@reddit
Because you spend too much time on the internet reading opinions from random people.
I don’t understand this constant need for approval from the herd. Do what you want, put the internet down for the day and enjoy your life.
Fudge_Comprehensive@reddit
Don’t take offense when people shit on your hobby, they’re projecting. To answer your question I think most vehicles these days are soulless, they have no character, they all look like a Ford Escape. probably due in part, because of government safety and fuel restrictions. But the consumer mostly has always bought for practicality, vehicles are just less sexy and interesting as they were in the past in my opinion.
Miserable-Election25@reddit
Just people who don't actually care about cars. It's not a new thing, just more people need cars now than before so it's less likely for a given driver to be an enthusiast