They weren't thinking
Posted by Meteorstar101@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 70 comments
Posted by Meteorstar101@reddit | greentext | View on Reddit | 70 comments
Gilgamesh107@reddit
This movie was made by someone who had a clear dislike for the brand and it's audience. Some of the shit that happens in this movie seemed like it was written just to piss people off
ahamel13@reddit
Every part of this movie that followed up on JJ Abrams's halfassed setups was an equally halfassed subversion with no payoff. That's also why everyone was so mad about Rey's parents being nobody. It was a rugpull that barely even affects her personally and then gets completely undone in the third installment.
fenian1798@reddit
I heard Rey is supposed to be the Emperor's granddaughter. Do they ever square that with her parents being "nobodies"?
MetaCommando@reddit
It's not even proper subversion, just doing the opposite of before. Like how 90% of evil Supermans are just his villain General Zod but born on Earth.
If you want subversive Star Wars (or kino in general) go play Knights of the Old Republic II. Just remember to install the restored content mod.
Some-Ohio-Rando@reddit
Strong disagree, you just missed the point completely
Gilgamesh107@reddit
The point being that a Hollywood writer devolved a legacy character into a creepy uncle that gives up all of his beliefs and ideals to be naughty to his sleeping nephew
The humiliation is the point
baudmiksen@reddit
The point being leia can fly in space
maninahat@reddit
Speaking as someone who loves Star Wars, it's perfectly reasonable and necessary to hate its audience.
TrueGootsBerzook@reddit
Because it was. Rian made this movie just to stir the pot with the boomer fans of the original trilogy.
ProfChaosDeluxe@reddit
Its been a while since I watched the movie, so feel free to tell me if im being stupid, but isnt the whole point that Luke didn’t actually try to kill Ben in his sleep ? He just very quickly thought of doing it but never went through with it.
Ataturk_Void_Crowley@reddit
Anakin: first time?
maninahat@reddit
Write, imagine a Star Wars character acting in a violent and irrational way over bad dreams. Certainly such a thing has never happened before.
ViscountBuggus@reddit
They cleverly subverted the audience's expectations of watching a good movie by unloading steaming hot diarrhea in their mouths
pandogart@reddit
Disney wasn't thinking about anything except money. Lucasfilm was in control of the movie.
usersub1@reddit
OP thinks Disney is capable of thinking
staybehind23@reddit
They should just have made a deepdive into the Expanded Universe and cobbled together the best parts (for instance Thrawn Trilogy) and pushed it to production with a billion-dollar budget. So easy.
baz4k6z@reddit
They don't need to. All they have to do is slap a "star wars" tag on any turd to rake billions of dollars.
banevader102938@reddit
Only living things can think
thr33beggars@reddit
“Feel, don’t think.” - direct quote from Star Wars
Even though Disney didn’t have the IP yet, it was more prophetic than anyone could know.
IrregularrAF@reddit
Disney Cruise Line just got busted for…. Uhhhhh…… THINKING
HeyLuke@reddit
I know the post is older, but imagine still giving a shit about any of this anymore.
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
It's because Anon is so upset that he can't even go in his Star Wars room anymore.
haha7125@reddit
What were they thinking? That people are fallible.
That a man who grew up in a civil war, whose adoptive family was murdered by the empire was desparate not let it happen again. To know in that moment that you can prevent past traumatic events from happening again by taking 1 life. Do you let the trolly kill 5 people, or do you make it only kill 1?
Theres a lot to criticize about the sequels. I never understood why this was one of them.
The jedi counsil, the greatest jedi in the galaxy, were tricked into utilizing a clone army that got themselves killed.
People make mistakes. Especially jedi who are blinded by their own fear. That like a reoccurring theme in starwars.
merount1@reddit
My only issue with this scene is that they used it to avoid actually showing a reason why Kylo fell to the dark side.
Lopsided_Parfait7127@reddit
>one of the greatest heroes of the modern age
>make him kill a bunch of jawas and children because he just wanted to
what the fuck was lucas thinking?
-BluBone-@reddit
Disney purchased Star Wars and decided to let the guy that made Lost have complete creative freedom of the series.
Windows_66@reddit
OP never watched the movie.
Carlos-R@reddit
This pic is from a false flashback. It's 2026 and people are still lying about this movie, lame.
HereticalCelery@reddit
Excel spreadsheets are not conducive towards literary greatness
tigerbait92@reddit
Tbh it wasn't a bad idea in theory. Just execution.
Reframe it to be less about Ben grappling with the dark side, and frame it as Luke, who has historically had some pull toward the dark side (canonically, as seen in Empire, and his entire arc in RotJ building to his rejection of anger) having irrationality and the dark side trying to convince him that Ben is the issue, and you're golden. Maybe then frame Ben joining the First Order as even more of a stretch (after all, he had to force himself to kill Han to try to prove something), and really, I think it'd work then.
It makes Luke more sympathetic (his actions were overtly irrational and he realizes that any Jedi, no matter how wise, has to struggle with darkness, and no matter how much you reject it, it's always there in you because you're only human, which tracks), and makes Ben more sympathetic (Luke's actions convinced him that he himself was the problem, a symptom of PTSD or abuse, which lead to where he is), and you can still have Ben lead the First Order afterward because, unlike the hero that is Luke, someone who realizes that it was his fault and tries to stone, Ben internalizes it and thinks that he really is born evil (which makes him all the more interesting as a character who can't overcome himself).
ShadowVen_@reddit
Luke being disillusioned by the force was certainly a neat concept, but TROS made me completely check out of sequels. Can’t even appreciate what TLJ at least tried when that steaming pile of garbage exists. Holy.
tigerbait92@reddit
Oh God, don't get me started on TROS. It's just a mess. I can usually find authorial intent well enough in most pieces of art and appreciate what a writer was going for (even if it doesn't work in execution), but TROS? Feels like it was a design-by-committee story made simply to make money by closing up a trilogy. It's why, despite not enjoying TLJ, I can appreciate some of what it was going for (even though, frankly, it's just Empire Strikes Back 2; it very much feels like Johnson took Empire, looked at each major beat, then said "let's subvert that", which makes the overall result feel more like a meta-commentary on Star Wars than a story... which doesn't work when you're trying to tell a cohesive tale).
Creepy_Living_8733@reddit
That’s the wrong image, that’s from Ben’s version of the story which we learn wasn’t true.
It’s been established since Empire Strikes Back that Luke is capable of making bad decisions when faced visions and/or potential threats against his loved ones so how is he acting out of character when he panics for a second after seeing the darkness inside of his nephew?
thr33beggars@reddit
Perhaps Luke, without Han’s knowledge, got his twin sister pregnant and Ben Solo is what came out. That’s why he looks and acts like he does, and eventually spergs out and becomes Kylo Ren. Luke, tired of seeing his affront to god, decides to do a very late term abortion. That’s my head canon.
thermitethrowaway@reddit
Hot
jimmydcriket@reddit
It's always funny to me that people always talk about the scene as kylo ten saw it and not as what actually happened
ahamel13@reddit
The classic modern trope of making the movie hero from the original hit movie a sad useless old loser who needs to get a pep talk from the new young hero who's better than them at everything and replaces them.
Here4th3culture@reddit
Stop hate watching movies you know are going to suck. Disney doesn’t care if you hate it as long as you continue to give them money. Vote with your wallet anon
Dontinsultautomod@reddit
All I liked about TFA was the visuals. All I liked about TLJ was Luke reuniting with R2 + the idea of a salt pan planet. All I liked about TROS was that it ended.
AssociationTimely173@reddit
I liked the horse things riding on the star destroyers. Was it stupid? Oh absolutely! But it was still amazing lol
sharktail_tanker@reddit
The visuals are genuinely great. I wouldn't mind them remastering the original 6 with modern tech.
I mean remaster. Change one punctuation mark in the script and I'm starting a riot
M4rshmall0wMan@reddit
OT fans would start a riot, though it would be really cool to do on the prequel trilogy.
Sadly, the plates are low enough resolution that you can’t really improve the green screen. The second two movies were literally shot in 1080p. So the PT’s biggest visual problem - cohesion between actors and CGI - couldn’t be helped much.
It also wouldn’t be very profitable for Disney. You’d be putting three whole movie’s worth of VFX budget on theatrical re-releases of movies with mixed reception. I’d be surprised if they break even.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
The visuals in the TLJ were pretty good too. Overall the visuals in the sequels were great, but they couldn’t make up for the rest of it.
martiHUN@reddit
Didn't like how it was basically a bad rehash of Ep. IV and how it reset the Empire vs. Rebels status quo.
gjb94@reddit
Hard agree. If you're that curious torrent them or something
hannannanas@reddit
Boo hoo, interesting characters waaaah.
Give me more meaningless fanserviceslop a'la Mandalorian.
No_Location_8199@reddit
"Flawed characters are when character assassination."
Reptilian_Overlord20@reddit
Yeah you’re right, Luke would never almost give in to temptation from the dark side:
No_Location_8199@reddit
Isn't the whole point of that scene that he overcame it? And I'm pretty sure killing someone like Vader right after a violent confrontation is a slightly easier sell than executing your sleeping nephew.
Reptilian_Overlord20@reddit
Yep, and when you overcome temptation once that means you’re never ever ever ever tempted ever again. That’s how people are right? No one ever relapses or has a moment of weakness ever again.
Luke had a force vision of Kylo destroying trillions of people. Keep in mind this is what a force vision actually feels like in universe. it’s not just a dream, you vividly experience it as though you’re there. Very much in the 4K. I imagine seeing everyone you love die horribly and actually being able to smell their burning flesh might impact him a bit.
Preventing that when you have a chance makes sense.
he stopped himself he drew a sabre for a half second and stopped himself. Last time he got tempted by the dark side he nearly turned Vader into sashimi. This actually shows positive character growth.
Luke is not an infallible immortal legend, he’s a fallible human man. And like a fallible human man he faltered but ultimately did the right thing. His judgement is not sound all the time and he makes rash impulse decisions.
And frankly I’d rather Luke be that then the overpowered Gary Stu that exists to jingle keys that fab rewrites keep making.
GHVG_FK@reddit
Yeah just like in the sequels uh i mean hitlers diaries
InsectGlaiveBard@reddit
Me when I don't know what character assassination is
ohyousoretro@reddit
Because we should have followed legends instead and had Luke fight his evil clone that was made from his chopped off hand.
No_Location_8199@reddit
Does this event damage Luke's character? Does he do anything out of character?
hannannanas@reddit
Yes
thatweirdguyted@reddit
Interesting would be if they actually took the series in a new direction with that trilogy. They had several decades to work out new and interesting material.
Instead they re-hashed all the old shit, resurrection because they couldn't write a sufficiently badass villain, and introduced some of the most meaningless side quests in the whole franchise.
The criticism of these films are valid.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
No, what are you talking about? They had absolutely nothing to pull from. Ignore the sequel trilogy script George handed them, and the literal thousands of beloved EU stories they threw out, they had literally nothing to pull from!
InsectGlaiveBard@reddit
Lucas' sequel trilogy script was fucking trash though. Even worse than what we actually got.
InsectGlaiveBard@reddit
All of that criticism can only be used against Rise of Skywalker though. The Last Jedi DID try to do something interesting with the series and left the ending in a good enough place for for Sea to finish decently. The script for "Duel of Fates" tells us as much.
Disney are just fucking cowards and instead of sticking to their guns, they retconned TLJ out of existence and brought back Palpatine as nostalgia-slop. Kylo could have been a great villain if they had actually committed to him being fully evil.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Found Rian Johnson’s Reddit account
Laxhoop2525@reddit
They were thinking “We need to ruin Luke to prop up Rey, that will surely make her more popular”, and Rey has continued to be as popular as dirt in your shoe.
Reptilian_Overlord20@reddit
Impressive, nothing you said is accurate.
Woofingtoon@reddit
Uses the false perspective of Ben when Luke didn't actually make any attempts in reality.
Incites anger from people who apparently can't understand media.
Not even a circlejerk.
WHat wAs OP thInKing?
Okinomii@reddit
these movies arent canon to me and nothing can change my opinion
SpaceOdysseus23@reddit
This entire franchise is mystifying to me. I rewatched the OT recently and you can tell how absolutely none of the actors give a fuck about how they're delivering their lines. Sure the VFX are charming in a retro-kind of way nowadays, but the storytelling has always been absolute ass.
barryhakker@reddit
Straight white make in position of respect and authority = patriarchy = bad
Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit
He didnt
JonneyStevey@reddit
Luke would never almost murder someone he knows to be of his family out of fear!!
they also always pick the screenshot from Bens perspective
INCUMBENTLAWYER@reddit
its not like jedi can't act irrationally
Scottish_Whiskey@reddit
OP whaddya mean? That’s JAKE Skywalker, not Luke
(Mark himself said he had to pretend this wasn’t Luke)