What is the point of only including a small part of Turkey but not the rest?
That small part already has a larger population than all those other Balkan countrie.
What about Albanians, and who are Macedonians? Greek, idk?
Also before ottobroskis, turkic people came to that area somewhat settled even; Hungaria.
Huns came there from middle asia. Before Slaves I guess, sorry Slav...
Anyways
Yes but it failed because Greeks are some nasty motherfreckers , cultured barbarians undercover .. we can read you know ... Half full of genocidal maniacs and decadent... Kinda looks like the Ebstein files 😱
You are not Balkan Turkey. The only part of Turkey that is Balkan is Constantinople that rightfully belongs to Greece as Vorio Epiri belongs to Albania
Don't you serve Schnitzel an Bier to rich tourist from all parts of the world?
Skiing, especially in Tyrol became so expensive, many Austrians lean towards cheaper hobbies nowadays.
Also, is you gastro Job decent or is your boss basically treading you Like a Slave?
I often feel bad about how some of the bosses treat their staff.
Idk for sure, but most of them speak Deutsch 😆
It is okay, 8hrs and 5 times a week. Every second weekend I have free time. I don't have a comparison to other austrian Jobs tho, this season was my 3rd season there.
Oh wow, than you have a good Boss! Gastro jobs often have 12-16 hour shifts (of course illegal) and a lot of bs happens.
Great you have a good Job/Boss.
But If you ever Ran into trouble, Austrian "Arbeiterkammer" is there for you and fights the legal battles and give you advise for free.
Even as forgeiner! Doesnt mather, you Work in austria, they are your Lobby :)
Con: a new genocide
Pro: We can make a movie though, captain Balkanika, smoking cigarettes, drinking 6 coffees per day and losing his money in slots machines
Do you have any land? Okay, then:
- plant grape
- grape grows out of the dirt
- press grape -> grape juice. You let it be. It turns into wine.
- grape remains? You mix them with water. You let them be for a while. You distill them in the magical implement you buy from the coppersmith Roma. It turns into brandy.
Q.E.D. Alcohol is basically free
Genocide happeded when union was being broken up, the post asks why cant we create a union.
Balkan countries send weapons to Isreal right now, and are contributing to genocide more then ever.
I mean, we are all probbaly gonna be in the EU country in like 30 years. Not that I mind, western Europe needs eastern Europe in the EU if it wants to make EU a relevant player in geopolitics.
Id rather have my country in the EU than be Chinas colony.
Per capital GDP growth has been negative since COVID, aging population, debt obligations through the roof, and now tens of millions of 3rd worlders being allowed into the continent.
Balkanization of EU is inevitable
And I'm hearing this for the last 30 of my 41 years on this planet while continuously seeing the same people ready to go flip burgers for 13e/h(minimum salary) in the very same EU.
It's strange how non of them went to the super liberal and humane Moscow or the technology wonder that in 5 years will be better than USA and EU together called China. So please stop with the bullshit
I mean I probably wouldnt go to the US at this point even though it has been a dream of mine for a long time but that was back then.
But yeah, anybody can love Moscow as long as they are like really far away from it preferrably in the West or some exotic place.
EU is a German colony. No surprise yall are down for that.
Saddest part is Serbia is neither in EU or NATO but signed littearly all privilages and obligations to both. So we gain little to nothing and give everything. xD
How would you be China s colony? If anything EU seems to be usa s bitch at the moment. And all the inflation we are seeing in Europe has to do with US politics
EU is still far more resilient to USA than Croatia would be to China.
Look up what China is doing with Africa for example with belt and road initiative.
That's just Trump and his ship of fools. This too shall pass.
But anyway, the point is for EU to not be overreliant or easily steered by USA, China or whoever.
Also it's not like China wouldn't blow up the world too, by attacking Taiwan whenever they can.
We are talking about China and Taiwan for so long. Yet, in the meantime USA has been involved in Ukraine, has been involved in Gaza, syria, iran, Yemen. To name a few.
Yet, be afraid of China
Yet China is grounded enough not to do *anything* to capitalize on the Iran situation, when there's a great deal they could have been doing before and during to increase their position against the US at the cost of global instability.
China isn't a benevolent force, but they conaistently seem to grasp that China is part of 'the world.'
Whereas Trump is just the logical conclusion of the drive for instant gratification by the lead-addled boomer electorate and the ironically, equally short-sighted corporate owners of America.
But yes, best not to be a vassal of any far-off power.
How? Even a comment from German chancellor triggered a wave of criticism, threats to withdraw military etc. Lets not talk about tariffs, threats to take Greenland, dependcy on gas and oil from USA. USA has way more control over EU than China has in Africa.
It's not an open market, it's a boomer market.
The entire economy is designed to keep old people retired fat & happy.
All the cities in the EU you will not find housing the typical young person can afford, means less babies, means the demographic time bomb is that much bigger.
You can have abortions or you can have a retirement system, but you can't have both.
I don’t think you would want in the EU, the smartest decision would be to make your own Balkan union as you would have more things in common and can legislate around those things.
The EU are a bunch of sleazy bureaucrats that would restrict and manage your countries direction based on their whim.
I'd rather have German bureaucrats do things than Greek bureaucrats.
In fact I'd be willing to lend my country's governemnt to the Japanese for a few decades so they can sort it out and teach our politicians how not to be fucking governing bums.
You think Balkan countries don’t have sleazy bureaucrats that restrict and manage their countries on their whim?
You really, seriously, think balkan countries are more functional than western europe?
Truth be told, half of our border is Danube. The other half is just… Pannonian fields dotted with chill people. Crossing the border was like: *stamp*, stand here, *snapshot*, visiting Timisoara to vibe? A’ight. *slaps the car on the ass* Off you go.
>Romania is likely to peacefully reunite with Moldova at some point in the future.
Unlikely. Moldova is among the most impoverished European countries. Unification would be costly for Romania.
Also, that means Romania inherits the Transnistria frozen conflict. I doubt they want to deal with that either.
That’s an absurd take. The destruction of the Yugoslav state was directly due to constitutional issues after Tito’s death and large scale autonomy for the regions/states within Yugoslavia. Slovenia and Croatia pushed for more individual autonomy due to financing the weaker poorer states like Montenegro and Macedonia. Serbia was aggressively pushing for centralization and power seeing it as the head of the multiethnic state. That division eventually lead to war. Foreign intervention was involved once the war and ethnic cleansing of Bosnia and Croatia began. Foreign intervention saved Bosnia from Serbia’s malicious attempt to preserve a unified Yugoslavia. Time and time again Serbia has shown how untrustworthy they are when it comes to intervention in neighboring states.
Oh my brother/sister in Christ I do envy you about not knowing the local geopolitics and history of the countries you want to make into a single one.
As a Bulgarian I can see about 3-4-5 cases where we (about some rightfully so) will not be willing to share a the air we breathe let alone being a single country
I did not say that I share the views/opinions. I just can't imagine our nation that generally shares the opinion that the EU is killing our kattle and agriculture and people and.. who knows what else. I am just saying that I can't imagine the majority of the Bulgarian population would embrace such an idea with open arms.
Because we dislike each other. And the dislike is directly proportional to proximity. I may like Greeks or Bulgarians for example, but they won't like each other. Same with Serbia and Albania and so on.
Constantinople, Skopje in Kosovo and the castle of Dracula.
After the Bonn/Berlin, Amsterdam/The Hague or Brussels/Strassbourg model, but then in threefold, as someone need to tame the Balkans.
I can very well imagine that the question originated in the USA. Because it shows a lack of knowledge about the Balkans. How is it supposed to work with the different languages, ethnicities, and religions? It didn't work in Yugoslavia; see the Balkan Wars of the 1990s.
Because we are stupid, greedy, lazy... did I mention stupid !? Because we cannot even drink from the skulls of our enemyes anymore. I mean - gather the traitors and ... But hey , no one on the Balkan was pursecuted for treason since the 80s...
The question is why every empire that dipped theye greedy hands here colapesd. Bulgarian here , we often almost did, The Bulgarians, the Byzantines, The Yugoslavians. One succeeded for a time almost... Oh the dreaded Ottomans...
Balkan is quite like having fun and having great food and welcome to all people in world but also living nightmare blood aggrassifeness and violance so no way possible that happens
Romania: I am a descent of the Roman empire, my language is a latin derived language.
Also Romania: I am Balkan, the slavic people are my Brothers
You get the Best of both worlds. 🎶
/s
Because ethnic clensings are a national pastime in every single one of the highlighted nations and any attempt to create a Yugoslavia 2.0 but with greece, romania, bulgaria and moldova added in will result in Yugoslav war 2 genocidal boogaloo
Ok, so Southern Greece and Athens is not in the Balkans... At last, people from Thessaloniki will have to heir dream come true and become citizens of the capital.
Unity is overated, look at history.
Disunited Greeks fought off the mighty persian empire.
United Germany lost more territory and ethnography united than as a decentralised "mess".
As a former Yugoslav I honestly say Yugoslavia is now stronger than ever. At least one goverment might be doing something right at any one time, keeping the others on its toes.
Also honorable mention goes to united China versus disunited Europe, which ended up thrashing one of the most dominant civilisations on this planet.
As somebody who is into history....this is also why I think EU is a extremly bad idea.
We tried a couple of times actually, but naaah, apparently yall have an issue with the name Bulgaria for some reason.
Here's just one map of what was 😔🥀
https://preview.redd.it/zid4fsgt271h1.png?width=1554&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6737a7d3c9c672204f3e9f895ba3aec22d67fb2
Not same language, different history and culture. Most of them hate each other, and they aren’t even all of them from the same cultural group to say that everyone have at list something in common
You guys are joking here, but we really should unite. Majority of the youth doesn’t want to live in their country and that tells you everything. United we will become bigger (size matters) stronger, richer. If an American doesn’t like the state they live in, they change the state not the country. Same for Australians and Germans. Do you guys understand me?
Believe it or not there was such a country. It was called the Ottoman empire. You can observe the same phenomenon in Central Europe. There the country was called the Austro-Hungarian empire.
Sorry to disappoint you but Romania is not a Balkan country. It is a Carpathian country, like Slovakia. Nor is Moldova. Also, both RO&MD speak a romance language.
Because we all have different cultures, languages and religions. It’s impossible to unite us. There’s no way Greece could ever unite with North Macedonia, considering their entire goal is to just steal Greek history.
this would instantly create a demand for a head of state with absolute control and power over this country. as long as it's not one of history's greates leaders, it won't work. no need to mention a working democracy in this case
Skipping the default Yugosllavia jokes. People claim that we are similar, and while we do share some typical Balkan customs, we are too different (dissimilar) to live in one single country. A model like the European union could theoretically work as long as there is no mass movement of certain peoples that settle and concentrate in particular areas of another country. Otherwise, it will simply not work.
Because every single micro-state in the Balkans want to be proud of being a placer no one cares about.
I love the Balkans and live here for almost than 10 years, but the truth is that a 2M people country is nothing more than a place for having holidays.
Cause the second it's actually made 20 different genocides and civil wars will be declared and we will have drone footage of like a guy running AT the drone with like a showed off shotgun from ww2 and throwing curses at the operator
Different people , different cultures and history , actually that’s what the globalists trying to achieve , if balknas flood with illegal immigrants the majority like 90% Muslims then it will be easier to unify. The EU actually goes this way just saying. It’s pure logic and numbers the numbers never lie
HOW TO START WW4 EDITION? Unite all Balkan countries... just joking, if we all unite, we will be the next superpower of the world, with so much knowledge, inventiveness, and resourcefulness, we can't be stopped, but the "secret government of the world" doesn't want us to unite.
That's not the Balkans. Neither Attica nor the Peloponnese are included, but Moldova for some reason is? We have a perfectly adequate term that includes the regions which are technically outside the Balkans, but belong to the same wider area as the Balkans do. It's called "Southeast Europe" (de. "Südosteuropa"). And Hungary should be included in that, not Moldova.
Where did the world wars got started in first place? Was it something to do with these areas? Do we want those wars back again? Was there some devastating civil war while back?
**1. It wouldn't be possible because we our self couldn't manage it.**
Doesn't really need explanation for this one.
**2. Others would not allow is even if we wanted to.**
Historically other superpowers have wanted their own strong man in the region. Be it the west(Austria-Hungary/Germany/UK) or the east(Soviet Union/Russia and Turkey) They would want "their" guy to be running the show and they would do anything to make it so. No one wants a big dog. The west for sure wants smaller countries that can obey as do the Russians.
USA today would sure want to be a arbiter of some sort if this was anywhere nearly possible.
Personally in a perfect world as a Serb I would be all for. But It wouldn't work as there would always be someone wanting to dominate. We are not mature enough to even enter EU let alone form a greater Balkan country.
Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia and Bosnia and Herzegovina should form Yugoslavia
Kosovo should unite with Albania
Moldova should unite with Romania
Macedonia should unite with Bulgaria
It’s probably going to go further in the other direction. BiH is cracking at the seams lately. And Kosovo might get full international recognition at some point.
How would this work? Three different Faith:
Christians: Katoliks and Ortodoks, and Muslims: Sunni and Bektashi
Only in Romania at Dobrogea is a peace to live together
[https://www.rjontour.com/grand-mosque-constanta/](https://www.rjontour.com/grand-mosque-constanta/)
The revolutionaries of the 19th century wanted to do exactly that. The imperialists of the time didn't want this because it'd create a very strong and strategically placed state that they wouldn't be able to control. Instead, they created a dozen impotent little countries that are under the full control of Germans, UK, France, USA and Russia
Yes, last time that idea turned out really great for everybody. Whole groups of people were so ecstatic about that very same idea—so unbelievably excited—that they disappeared from the face of the earth.
Not aware of any such happenings, but fascism is prohibited by law in EU
On the other hand, I can think of some countries run by fascists, with their youth massively protesting against them for a long time
I mean Austria banned you guys from gathering in bleiburg doing Hitler chants and called ur gathering (where ur official elected politicians appeared) fascist and a revisionism festival.
The Major just lately stated that the Croat government wanted the ban to be lifted, ofc it was aggressively rejected.
Countries like Romania are already quite large. Romania can easily house 40 million people; it just needs to have more children. On the other hand, Yugoslavia needs to be reborn; they speak the same language. Macedonia should be divided between Bulgaria and Albania, and Kosovo between Serbia and Albania.
don t be delusional, Austria doesn t really count
but an Austrian calling the project of an united south-Slavic state "Frankenstei", reveals his habsburgsnazi genes
i am an Austrian Serb and not really, most serbs and croats reject Yugoslavia.
Why would any Serbs simp or look back in nostalgia towards an opressive regime run by an Croat/Slovene Dictator who fought against Serbia in WW1 and only made sure later that all interests are covered beside the serb ones, not only that but also further butchering it territory with autonmous zones after paying the most blood in ww2.
and chill down with calling people nazis, but habsburgsnazi was a funny one
> most serbs and croats reject Yugoslavia
Not exactly true.
> Reducing Josip Broz Tito to a “Croat/Slovene dictator” is peak oversimplification. If Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was supposedly anti-Serb, why did millions of Serbs support it for 45 years, dominate its army, and move into its biggest cities and institutions?
Reducing Tito to a “Croat/Slovene dictator” is peak oversimplification. If Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was supposedly anti-Serb, why did millions of Serbs support it for 45 years, dominate its army, and move into its biggest cities and institutions?
Subtlety, favouring other dominant nations, strengthening giving liabilities to heiers and not letting new comers own anything other than a car. How human
Strategically it would be great but unfortunately the nationalism mentality in the Balkans is against, everyone considers their own plot an independent nation now
this is mostly because of years of opression under all kinda of empires and kingdoms that made people be proud of being part of “their own” independent state that is so ethniclly and religiously homogenus
We are already united in the European Union, and within the Schengen area you can travel freely without borders.
For the rest who want to join, come on. We are waiting for you and your culture, but be aware that we are going to invade after, ... as tourists, with loads of cash in our pockets destined for your local business.
Balkan countries: Government f\*cks you, neighbours and family takes care of you.
EU countries: Governent f\*cks you and then tries to take care of you. At least they get to have our money so they can give it to the richer!
We can’t come together because too many of us cling to centuries-old conflicts inherited from distant ancestors, repeating them without reflection instead of thinking for ourselves.
I believe this mostly happens because we're the least educated people in Europe.
>Why can't we just unite all of them into a big country called "Balkania"?
Because that requires removing the word "balkanisation" from the dictionaries. Publishers are pushing back on the initiative.
We are in the process of doing just that. We also included a few other less significant countries to the west, and the name is different (something something "union"), but we're getting there!
They tried under Tito to keep it together. It fell apart the moment he died. Crazy how much people that speak the same language want to kill each other so badly
Meh, these countries should unite but they are too retarded. You got Turkey on the east, Italy and Germany from the north. Also Yugoslavia gave good possibilities to negotiate and nice coastline.
When I see today's political borders used for such an idea, I know that OP hasn't thought through it or isn't informed well enough.
Geographical or cultural delimiters are much more representative than those lines.
We were members of big countries (monkeys together - STRONG) throughout the most of our existence in these parts, so we have some experience with it. And that experience says - yeah, nah, thanks. Union maybe, but not one big country.
And we're already in a Union, so... :shrug: If you're not, shape up and come on down.
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