I’m a commercial pilot.. is this holding out/ common carriage?
Posted by Big-Basket-7047@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 13 comments
Getting married and I and doing raffle tickets
Can I make one of the prizes a scenic tour?
We would takeoff and land same airport and not travel more than 25 nm, can I still do this?
shrunkenhead041@reddit
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-I/subchapter-F/part-91/subpart-B/subject-group-ECFRe4c59b5f5506932/section-91.146
You can even do this as a private pilot, with enough hours (no hours limits for commercial pilots).
Read the rules carefully about pro-rata share.
jaylw314@reddit
This only applies to charity, nonprofit or community events, of which a wedding is none of the above
Ezekiel24r@reddit
Selling raffle tickets? No go.
Free raffle tickets? Probably ok.
AHarmlessCat@reddit
Even if he is selling raffle tickets, I would imagine the price is well within the pro-rata share.
Ezekiel24r@reddit
But what about all the money you collect from all the people who didn't win? That's receiving money that's not part of the pro-rata share, you're just taking money and flying someone else at the end of the day because of it.
AHarmlessCat@reddit
Thats true, I didnt think about that. But they arent paying money for the flight technically? Theres plenty other prizes im sure. Only the winner of the flight would be paying specifcally towards it Id guess.
Ezekiel24r@reddit
But are you operating that specific flight because you recieved money from the raffle? You could argue no, but there is money in your pocket at the end of all this and you performed a flight because you promised it (which could be the incentive for people buying tickets). At the end of the day, you cannot act as PIC for compensation without a commercial license. AC 61-142
Of course in the small scale like this the FAA probably wouldn't care to go into it, but imagine at a larger scale and obviously there would be money to be made offering something like this, and then the FAA would come down on it hard. Gotta go through the hoops of certificates and LOAs if there would be profit to be made.
However there is specific allowances for this kind of thing for charity flights, like raising money for a non-profit.
acidreducer@reddit
As long as you don’t put a raffle ad in the paper you’re good. It’s your wedding and your friends it’s not like you’re starting a business.
With that being said if you’re paying the bill I can assure you nobody cares.
320sim@reddit
The 25nm rule is for tour companies operating on an LOA from the FSDO. You don't have that so you can't do it commercially. You're a commercial pilot so I assume you know how to make sure the flight doesn't count as a commercial operation.
nickmrtn@reddit
Your just taking friends for a joyride with a couple extra steps.
It’s probably worth considering that many of your guests may not want to fly with you as a private pilot. My mum and brother have slightly higher self preservation instincts than others and have made it clear they have no interest in flying with me unless I’m flying a big jet.
AHarmlessCat@reddit
Are you getting paid? This sounds like something you can do with just a private cert, your just taking passengers on a flight, no?
Big-Basket-7047@reddit (OP)
**I would rent from a flight school
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Getting married and I and doing raffle tickets
Can I make one of the prizes a scenic tour?
We would takeoff and land same airport and not travel more than 25 nm, can I still do this?
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