Passenger sues Alaska Airlines after Seattle flight hit severe turbulence, plunged 200 ft.
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Rootsman64@reddit
Nonsense suit. Do people even listen to the flight attendant announcements anymore? You are always advized to keep your seat belt at least loosely fastened even when the sign is off due to clear air turbulence.
Preserved_Killick8@reddit
air: exists
passenger: >:(
guynamedjames@reddit
From the article:
Anyone who hit their head on the cabin ceiling while buckled in wasn't really buckled in, that's just how seatbelts work. Which makes me really doubt the credibility of the rest of this hard to believe claim.
If any of this is true, that's pretty severe turbulence, but I'm very curious what the going rate for "I bumped my head (because I wasn't wearing my seatbelt correctly) and maybe received an injury too minor to list, and dropped my things" is. $10? A free drink coupon? A flight attendant gently rubbing your back for a minute while whispering "you're okay" in soothing tones?
The_GOATest1@reddit
The turbulence was so bad it broke space time. Unless she’s like 10 ft tall I’m not even sure how it happens with the seatbelt hooked at all unless the plane was tiny.
Gardnersnake9@reddit
Seriously. If the plane warped enough for anyone under 7'0" to jot their head on the ceiling while properly buckled in, they wouldn't be alive to file the lawsuit, because that fuselage is snapping in half.
TechnicalSurround@reddit
they were maybe buckled in.... but with 2m of slack. so almost completely useless
Ewenthel@reddit
Why do I have a feeling that the FAs won’t be testifying that this happened?
BoringBob84@reddit
I agree. It should be pretty easy for ASA attorneys to demonstrate that someone with their seatbelt properly fastened could not have sustained injury in that aircraft under those conditions.
I hope that ASA counter-sues for their damages - including to their public reputation - for this frivolous lawsuit.
usrdef@reddit
I'd like to know how the hell you hit your head on the ceiling if you are seatbelted in.
When you have the seatbelt properly tightened, you're not jumping up that far. Not unless you are 7 feet tall.
BoringBob84@reddit
I agree. And this is one of many problems with the USA legal system. Attorneys can launch frivolous lawsuits with no consequences.
DissociatedOne@reddit
Click bait title. One person sued from a flight with a bunch of people. He’s probably a personal injury lawyer who knows what the payday looks like.
TheAgedProfessor@reddit
Exactly how is the title click bait? It specifically says one person sued. If anything, that's the most accurate title I've seen in a while on the internet.
DissociatedOne@reddit
Ya I’m not sure what my thought process was there.
TessaFractal@reddit
Its a toss up between that or they got slightly injured and their health insurance won't pay out unless they sue.
piecat@reddit
Yeah, knowing how insurance and healthcare is in this country, I would give them the benefit of the doubt unless we get more info.
Plus, the court of public opinion crucified that poor woman who got burned by McDonalds coffee. "Frivolous lawsuits" happen, sure, but not to the extent corporations want us to believe.
RandomObserver13@reddit
Yeah…you’d like to think that. Just read a great article in the NYer about lawyers scamming insurance companies by staging wrecks: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/20/the-car-crash-conspiracy
Frivolous lawsuits happen way more than you’d like to believe, especially if big insurance policies are involved.
piecat@reddit
Oh no, anyway
Maybe I'd feel bad if insurance companies and mega corporations weren't so shitty
RandomObserver13@reddit
Scams like that just make insurance more expensive for everyone else. They don’t hurt the insurance company. No bigger business scam than insurance. Socialize the risks, privatize the profits.
piecat@reddit
Convincing the public that the fraudsters are the problem is the best scam yet
fec2245@reddit
>"Frivolous lawsuits" happen, sure, but not to the extent corporations want us to believe.
And they happen much, much more than Trial Lawyers Associations want you to think
ImaManCheetahh@reddit
idk, that’s sort of exactly what the headline implies lol
Fly3rBoi@reddit
Lawsuits like this should have consequences.
Frivolous lawsuits shouldn’t be as prevalent as they are and should be discouraged by a massive time wasting fee, (min $1000?) that gets donated to charity.
DatabaseGangsta@reddit
200’??? Rookie numbers
Late-Mathematician55@reddit
I think that when I was working on my PPL I would bounce 200 ft while doing touch-and-goes, lol
ThatIs1TastyBurger@reddit
Students “plunge” 200 feet while changing the fuel tank at least twice a flight
Pleasant_Actuator253@reddit
Try flying in the Aleutian Islands!
UnbuiltAura9862@reddit
I’ve had that happen to me while cruising on a Cessna 172. That’s nothing. XD
randytc18@reddit
I really thought the headline was missing a 0.
GenericAccount13579@reddit
“Plunged” lmaooo
poposheishaw@reddit
Is it? Honest question.
Threedawg@reddit
Yeah that feels like a lot to move in one jolt
aw_shux@reddit
If it happens quickly, it’s definitely noticeable to the passengers, but unlikely harmful to the aircraft. But in the grand scheme of things, a flight falling 200’ from a cruising altitude of 30,000’ is no big deal.
21five@reddit
I’ve forgotten how to count that low
kschischang@reddit
Seriously. Minor inconvenience.
Pal_Smurch@reddit
Two hundred feet?!? But did you die?
weristjonsnow@reddit
How exactly are you going to sue an airline for turbulence
fellipec@reddit
Pay a lawyer, the lawyer writes a bunch of BS you tell him in law language, you go to court, you lose, the lawyer got his pockets full of your money and is just another day of his job.
speedracer73@reddit
It’s clear that the Alaska pilots negligently zigged when they should have zagged
Geekenstein@reddit
Just like this apparently.
RedditZhangHao@reddit
Filing lawsuit versus plaintiff successfully winning, could be a tad bit different.
Geekenstein@reddit
Psst. I’ll let you in on the secret - they didn’t sue to win.
New_Westie@reddit
We were on a flight to Mexico that was circling because the Cancun airport was closed due to thunderstorms. The captain came on the mic and said in the most stern captain voice I’ve ever heard, flight attendant sit down NOW. I saw two flight attendant slide into empty seats, but the one directly in front of me looked left then right I had nowhere to sit. She dropped to the ground held onto the bars below the seats, (is that what they’re there for?), and told the passengers in those seats to push down hard on her shoulders. Not two seconds after those words came out of her mouth we hit turbulence and must’ve dropped 100 feet in a second. My butt was completely off the seat, but my seatbelt did its job and bit hard into my hips. It was absolutely terrifying. Thankfully, the captain had the fast seatbelt sign on for the entire time we were circling, and everyone on the plane was smart enough to listen. No one was hurt. When we finally landed, the entire plane erupted and clapping and cheering. As we were exiting, the flight attendant were thinking us by the front door and you could see the one flight attendant had tear stained cheeks.
For this woman to say that she had her seatbelt on and hit her head on the ceiling yeah I don’t buy it.
diezel_dave@reddit
What would have been the sign for the pilot to make that announcement? How did they know there was turbulence mere seconds away?
midsprat123@reddit
Some turbulence can be picked up by the weather radar
Pireps (pilot reports)
I’ve had something similar happen, was flying back to Houston on an AA Mad Dog and the pilot came on, telling the FAs to be seated immediately. Shortly after we hit a nasty bit of turbulence, felt like we dropped a ton. Pilot came on to say, please wait while we climb back up to cruising altitude.
On the other hand, the area around Cancun is pretty windy, even without a storm
Gloomy-Employment-72@reddit
Plunged you say?
TeMuBeBalalaika@reddit
Pussy. Ride the lightning!
teejayiscool@reddit
I've been on roller coasters with bigger drops, please
biggsteve81@reddit
But when they told you to keep the restraint fastened on the roller coaster you actually complied.
TheBendit@reddit
To be fair you generally don't have an option to not comply on a rollercoaster. Perhaps in this age of people being unable to follow simple instructions, we need sensors in the seat belts?
FixergirlAK@reddit
I just had to look it up because I was curious...I've done the Mega Drop, 120 feet (the tower is 135). I've done it twice - and I'm terrified of heights. 200 feet in an airliner is like, normal and expected. Especially if there's weather in the Inside Passage or the Gulf of Alaska.
teejayiscool@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXGD9kMR7s that's the currest tallest and fastest roller coaster on the planet! 640' tall, 156 mph with a 530' airtime hill
FixergirlAK@reddit
Holy crap. On the tablet screen that made my stomach drop. I might have to search up the VR for my hubby.
Planeandaquariumgeek@reddit
There’s an existing legal doctrine for this, and it pretty clearly states that any kind of weather related event is an “act of god” and thus can’t be litigated. This guy has zero case
TheBendit@reddit
This seems like a bit of an overstatement. The airline has a duty to be prepared for the weather that can be reasonably expected.
Imagine that the pilots had noticed the likelihood of turbulence but had not activated the seatbelt lights nor informed the rest of the crew. This could easily result in litigation.
I am very much not saying this is what happened in this case.
StuckinSuFu@reddit
You can sue for anything. Doesn't mean you will win
Ok-Chance-5739@reddit
Right, but that only works in the US. In other places that would be thrown out of the window - because it's plain BS.
Fourteen_Sticks@reddit
France enters the chat
PerfectPercentage69@reddit
It's the same in the US. People are just ignorant how the legal system actually works.
It is true thay anyone can start a lawsuit against anyone for anything, but most people don't realize that for the lawsuit to proceed to court it needs to meet legal merit.
Judges can, and do, throw out lawsuits which lack legal merit very early in the legal process.
They can do it with prejudice (ie. they can't refile again later) or without (ie. they can refile if they come up with additional evidence or reason).
They can even dismiss the lawsuit with sanctions (ie. punishment) against the person who filed the lawsuit, if they think the lawsuit is frivolous enough.
krtsgnr_7230@reddit
Haven't been there a dude that made too many lawsuits for anything?
DaBingeGirl@reddit
I wish that's how it was here, makes so much more sense. 🫤
Argo505@reddit
It is how it works here. What makes you think otherwise?
misterurb@reddit
Google Rule 12(b)(6) big dog. It’s gonna blow your mind.
mmbatt@reddit
It is the way it works in the US, if that's what you meant by "here." Other commenters are discussing it elsewhere in the post, but frivolous suits get thrown out all the time
Argo505@reddit
What makes you think it’s not the same here? Lawsuits get thrown out all the time?
EDDYSF@reddit
They dismiss lawsuits in the US for lack of standing
localcosmonaut@reddit
They dismiss lawsuits for all kinds of reasons in the U.S. and standing probably isn’t gonna matter here.
Frondelet@reddit
But if the passenger had stayed seated would there even be a suit?
localcosmonaut@reddit
Idk that’s gonna depend on a number of different factors. I’m just saying, that standing is just one of many reasons that could lead to a suit being dismissed.
dcknight93@reddit
And for failing to state a prima facie cause of action. I doubt this survives an MTD
SharkSymphony@reddit
Can't throw it out the window. Pressurized cabin and all.
jello_sweaters@reddit
Or, in this case, plane BS.
Ok-Chance-5739@reddit
😉
Scooty_Puff_Sr@reddit
I see lawyers, as far as the eye can see.
twili_zora@reddit
200 ft is nothing. Was flying back from FL last year and we hit insane turbulence over NJ and I could feel the plan dipping downwards. Mom was watching the flight path live and we dropped 19,000 ft in 1 minute at 600mph. We were nowhere near our state either.
WealthyMarmot@reddit
19,000 ft/min is quite impressive - that’s over 200 mph straight downward. Even China Airlines 006 only hit like 16k/min and it still tore half the plane’s control surfaces off and bent the wings upward.
So either your particular flight has a Wikipedia article, or Mom might have just seen a data artifact.
twili_zora@reddit
Yeah peek my reply to the other dude just now. I’m new to all this myself so I’m thinking she read something wrong.
UnreasoningOptimism@reddit
Sorry, but you didn't. 19,000 feet per minute is not going to happen unless the wings have come off.
twili_zora@reddit
I wonder what number my mom was looking at then. Maybe she read 1,900 and misinterpreted it? By the time she told me, it was months after the flight trackers got rid of the path for non-paying members so I couldn’t review it myself.
schloofy2085@reddit
Why do people always claim that the situation looks like a war zone when they have no clue what a real war zone actually looks like?
r361k@reddit
The general public expects flying to be the safest thing ever when in reality, sometimes, in exceedingly rare circumstances, bad things can happen. Flying inherently is dangerously. The industry as a whole has done wonders eliminating almost all of that risk but sometimes shit happens. If we flew around every single potential blip of turbulence we would never get where we’re going. It’s just not feasible and the general public is too stupid to understand that.
RedNeckSharkBitten@reddit
Why do these idiots take off their seatbelts while flying? Clear air turbulence doesn’t have warning signs and can move from previous reporting. Filing a lawsuit due to your own stupidity should be thrown out.
HonorAndKittens@reddit
I always have my seatbelt on, but I am afraid of unexpected turbulence while in the restroom. Just relying on the statistical improbability that it would actually happen.
julias-winston@reddit
The cabin crew even specifically says to keep your seat belt fastened while you're seated. All you gotta do is follow directions!
railker@reddit
Unfortunately these people had headphones on from the time they went through security, bonus points for showing up with your Zone 4 boarding pass the moment boarding starts.
Dinkerdoo@reddit
The same people that fully recline the second they sit down and don't put it back up until the flight attendant yells at them on approach.
the_Q_spice@reddit
Fluid flow in general is one of the least well understood physical phenomena in the world.
The equations we use to approximate it aren’t even proven.
Alaskan will likely settle because that’s typically the best choice.
But I’d also put money on them filing for dismissal with prejudice under FRCP 11.
Suing an airline over legitimate acts of god is pretty much the exact thing Rule 11 has in mind.
FRCP 11 is also really dangerous for the plaintiffs and their attorneys, as the Court can end up fining them if they find the suit is harassment.
NathanArizona@reddit
Unless the crew failed to do what every crew does, i don’t think settling maintains a good precedent here. Settling invites any ole shithead who keeps their belt off or “falls” in the bathroom after a minor jolt to sue and receive settlement
anandonaqui@reddit
Navier stokes is the bane of every mechanical engineering students’ existence
the_Q_spice@reddit
As a fluvial geomorphologist;
How do you think I feel about it?
Milton__Obote@reddit
I think you’ve just made up a few words /s
Messyfingers@reddit
What flows downhill. Problem solved 😎😎😎
anandonaqui@reddit
Probably pretty good if it’s your chosen profession haha
whiskeytown79@reddit
I call bullshit. Unless you are eight feet tall, this isn't happening.
Perhaps part of the overhead structure broke loose and fell on passengers (there'd be maintenance evidence of this), or an unrestrained passenger hit the ceiling, but there's no way you're hitting the ceiling while wearing a seatbelt.
CharAznableLoNZ@reddit
Maybe she was had her seatbelt extremely loose so it was doing nothing to secure her.
CharAznableLoNZ@reddit
200' doesn't seem like very much even with auto pilot on in a airliner. In GA I've bounced around by way more than 200' turbulence.
railker@reddit
For the interested, the flight's AvHerald entry with preliminary report.
Turbulence was known and forecasted and seatbelt sign was on. "All [injured] were located in the rear galley area when the turbulence occurred and were not restrained."
dedgecko@reddit
I was just about to go looking for this.
You are a gentleman and a scholar!
BilboWaggonz@reddit
Sue everybody
philbert247@reddit
I know I’m a dumb bitch, but 200’ is nothing.
zestzebra@reddit
Litigation against the atmosphere.
AspectOtherwise415@reddit
I think there’s a debate in the aviation community of wether a lot of these flights should travel through rough weather. I fly pretty often for work (twice a month) and have had some pretty uncomfortable experiences. Twice we went into foreseen conditions and witnessed injuries. First time a flight attendant had a cart slam down on her leg and put a big gash in it and second multiple people raise and then spill into the isle.
I think for the everyday traveler the question is why are we flying into or even above a storm when we know conditions are going to be shit? The turbulence is already getting noticeably worse. Why add another variable to it?
Answer: costs
lazyhustlermusic@reddit
Sorry you’ll have to sue the atmosphere instead
botany_bae@reddit
200? That’s nuthin.
mbrz2477@reddit
another f-ing money grab.
Accurate_Mobile9005@reddit
If you fly without your seatbelt on you're an idiot.
I don't care what the sign says. Do people really think turbulence just announces itself before it happens ?
trapercreek@reddit
200’ is nothing. Shut up whiner.
sghokie@reddit
Queue the weird al song
Ordinary-Law-2257@reddit
You’ve got to be kidding
strumthebuilding@reddit
Is it ever possible for an airline to be negligent in its decision to fly through a particular area of turbulence?
railker@reddit
I imagine it could be if you willingly and knowingly fly into known severe turbulence, though I don't know if the FAA's guidance is just 'avoid flying into' or 'don't fly into' severe turbulence.
The NTSB's report did note both a SIGMET warning of potential severe turbulence earlier and a PIREP reporting it 5 minutes in front of them, from my understanding of the writeup.
Ordinary-Law-2257@reddit
You’ve got to be kidding
Dependent_Refuse5759@reddit
That's just a Tuesday in KTN.
Educational-Coat-750@reddit
What is it with Americans and suing
traveler_@reddit
Our legal system puts the burden of many everyday regulations on the civil courts. Things that would be directly administered by regulatory agents in civil-law countries is instead enforced by lawsuit here. Many laws are specifically set up to describe who may sue for what, and what liability may be found, and what penalties or compensations awarded, for violations.
One major example is the ADA, Americans with Disabilities Act, enforced entirely through lawsuits. This approach has it’s strengths and weaknesses, but one thing to be aware of is that “Americans sue each other a lot” is a common story pushed into the media by people who want to escape consequences for violating the law — the McDonalds Hot Coffee effect.
Own_Reaction9442@reddit
It's often the only way to get your medical bills covered if you get injured.
CarminSanDiego@reddit
Because it’s easy money?
-AV8R01@reddit
As an American, no f-ing clue. Probably the lawyers and our BS justice system enabling them if I had to guess.
DamNamesTaken11@reddit
Oh no, a drop of ~200 feet at cruise, where you get more deviation from setting to STD instead of true barometric pressure! However will the plane keep flying?! /s
But seriously, if passengers and crew were that injured, the press would have covered it more than just announcing that a lawsuit is being filed. I’ve found no articles other than the woman filing the suit.
Only found articles stating that crew members got injured. Furthermore, unless you’re an NBA player, and not wearing the seatbelt (WEAR YOUR GODDAMN SEATBELTS TIGHT AT ALL TIMES FROM BOARDING TO PARK UNLESS YOU GET UP TO USE THE BATHROOM!), there is no way that your head would travel up that far. Maybe you got some mild whiplash, but not hitting your head against the ceiling.
Wouldn’t be surprised if this woman is being represented by some ambulance chaser.
flowerpanes@reddit
Am trying to wrap my head around the logistics of saying you hit your head on the ceiling despite being seatbelts in. Is she a giraffe?
Dynamo24@reddit
Total amateur here but 200 ft a lot? I wouldn’t think it would but I have no clue.
Impressive-Yak-7449@reddit
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
"Plunged" 200 ft. LOL, Just LOL
Hunting_Gnomes@reddit
Unless you're 160' off the ground, 200' is nothing more than a rounding error.
ajfoscu@reddit
Man I love this country
AwkwardEmploy7145@reddit
Alaska will settle to make it go away. Not worth the cost of litigating.
DrinkingVomit@reddit
Send this mf to Mars.
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chrisirmo@reddit
I'm going to guess it was the same Seattle-based ambulance-chasing lawyer that filed this suit against Delta for a passenger "injured" in an emergency evacuation at the gate:
https://pugetpress.com/2026/05/13/delta-seatac-jet-fire-lawsuit/
hugh-jaasshole@reddit
Classic Seattle
ApacheOc3lot@reddit
Were all the passengers over 6ft tall to hit their heads on the overhead bins while seated?
Turbulence is scary for sure, but this is absolutely a cash grab.
flyingforfun3@reddit
I think there are legitimate reasons to sue. This is very American.
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