Dell Alternatives? | TheaterFire

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crankysysadmin@reddit

Lenovo is really your only choice, but you'll have problems with them too.

HP is worse, don't do that.

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Crich926@reddit

Correct, please, for the love of everything, do NOT go with HP. We used to have a saying at my old job: “friends don’t let friends buy HP”

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segagamer@reddit

I hate that I have bought and am nearly ready to deploy a bunch of HP laptops lol

Got sick of Dell's laptop build quality being so flimsy and their business offerings being so chunky and clunky compared to their home user offerings, so I decided to give HP a try.

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Apprehensive_Bat_980@reddit

Yes! I’m in the same boat with Dell, build quality is crap

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segagamer@reddit

So many laptop lids where the hinge broke from the base...

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omgitzrick@reddit

I’ve been deploying HP Elitebooks for a while and had far less issues than I used to have with Dell’s equivalent. Your mileage may vary!

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panopticon31@reddit

All the good stuff went to HPE in the divorce.

HP got all the shit.

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GinnyJr@reddit

I’d rank them as such

Dell Lenovo A pile of literal shit HP

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HP Elitebooks and Elitedesks are fine imo. Never had any issues with em. I akin them to Dell's Latitudes in general reliability. I have had many Latitude workhorses over the years. With the exception of 1 smaller model from a few years back I bought and I swear the whole batch were lemons. This was for work, naturally.

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throwaway_eng_acct@reddit

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totmacher12000@reddit

I concur sir.

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Turbojelly@reddit

We're having a problem with Lenovo right now. There is a manufacturing defect with their monitor PC mounts that causes the monitor to loose signal. Lenovo warentee promises new replacements but they keep giving refurbished instead.

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marry_me_jane@reddit

Really? Haven’t had much trouble with hp.

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WWGHIAFTC@reddit

hp is worse? I've bought 100s and 100s over the past many years and had basically zero failures. small n but enough to have shown problems.

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TheProle@reddit

I moved from a Dell shop to an HP shop and after years of grabbing driver .cab files from the client management site, HP Image Assist was torture.

After a year of combing through Gary Blok’s HPIA and HPCMSL blog posts I’m starting to get he hang of it and have managed to automate some pretty cool’s stuff around driver and bios management.

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Greed_Sucks@reddit

I think people often blame the laptop when it’s other factors that cause the issues. We use hp and have thousands of laptops deployed. Some models are better than others, but generally I see few issues related to their performance or quality. Personally, I prefer Lenovo, but HP has not been bad. But their last few batches of monitors are crap.

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dflek@reddit

We've been in the same boat. Had Dell issues, started getting some Lenovo devices. Lenovo's were hit and miss, either excellent or loads of issues. Acquired a company that used HP, total nightmare. The new Dell XPS devices have been pretty good for us so far, but it's early days.

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Agent_DekeShaw@reddit

Our Lenovo test machines have not been popular. So many driver issues. I gave up on the one I was using.

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GinnyJr@reddit

Dell latitude and precision have been the workhorses at a few companies of mine

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ccsrpsw@reddit

The problem with XPS is that it’s still considered Consumer by Dell and is prone to that update/support lifecycle. It’s only what 2 years less but that also means the enterprise engineering support isn’t there.

Not saying it’s bad it’s just different if you are used to flex support pro and the like. Our handful of XPS systems were great until they hit the end of life cycle type area and then they seem to drop off faster than enterprise models.

I think for me, where Dell wins out over HP/Lenovo - aside from the main support areas - is just all the other peripherals they can bundle (and will take a bit on) when you need a carrot dangled for a purchase

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bryptobrazy@reddit

We have HP. Garbage. We’re testing Lenovo and dell. Well we’ve already received the Lenovos, STILL waiting on dell to send us some units.

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Oricol@reddit

Stay alway from E series if you have the budget. T P and X are solid.

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Adenn76@reddit

I primarily support HP at my work, with a few macs and one Lenovo. In the 13 years I've been at my job I've had to call HP twice, maybe three times, for repairs. The team I work with has been fantastic. Very responsive and have quickly repaired the devices when needed. We do buy the on-site repair warranty.

One repair on the macs which was okay, no real issues or complaints there.

One repair on the Lenovo, which was by far the worst experience. I diagnosed the issue, it was that the sound wasn't working, contacted them, told them the MB needed to be replaced... The tech came out and replaced... the speakers... Then they argued with me about replacing the MB. They finally conceded and replaced the MB and guess what, the issue was fixed.

All that while closing the initial ticket as I was effectively trying to work with the CEO, as it was his laptop, and he travels a lot and is therefore difficult to contact. It was closed due to lack of response. I had told them that he travels all the time and is difficult to reach. Apparently that didn't matter though. They, and everyone else, have to have quick solve rates for their metrics.

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monstaface@reddit

You're going to get a mixed bag of results due to people in different environments and opinions. My experience has been 1.Lenovo 2.HP 3.Dell

This is heavily based on the models you choose and could involve your rep and possibly even political stance. Lenovo, start with the T model. HP the elite books. We usually skip the extended warranties unless for critical machines, but if you create your build through a manu rep, they will often add in the warranties for cheap or free.

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MangoSmash@reddit

I have bought hundreds of Dell products exclusively for 20 years (PowerEdge Servers, Latitudes, XPS, Precision, Optiplex, etc). Their product reliability, warranty support and design for repair has been outstanding overall.

I am not a Dell Partner, nor do I use a Sales Representative - I have historically purchased thru their website, since my purchase quantities are typically small.

Their purchase process is increasingly difficult and time consuming. They also seem to be EOLing Latitude, Precision and Optiplex for Plus and Pro and whatever.

Is their a benefit to using a Sales Representative?

I appreciate any feedback.

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arkhon_@reddit

We’re with HP at the insistence of the CFO.

They are the fucking worst. No reply to emails, take weeks to get something repaired under warranty, they miss half the requests we make, and they haven’t been able to reliably deliver laptops to us for 6 months.

Do not go with HP.

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MangoSmash@reddit

Sounds like this CFO needs to defer to the CTO.

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GinnyJr@reddit

Lemme guess your cfo has a shiny Mac and the HPs don’t affect them so everything is good

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arkhon_@reddit

Spot on. All the execs get a Mac or premium laptop of their choosing.

It’s us plebs that have to deal with the shitty service.

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GinnyJr@reddit

I can deal with a shitty laptop I feel bad for the users who actually do work and need a good laptop lol

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Jeff-J777@reddit

As for Dell warranties when I worked at a MSP we were a Dell reseller I would not sell anything without a Dell ProSupport warranty. The other base warranties were just trash.

We are a Lenovo shop here and for the most part things are good. The desktops are rock solid. The laptops have issues from time to time, mainly docking issues. We use Lenovo docks as well. Support has been solid, but we get Lenovo Premium support with everything.

As for HP.... NOPE. My last place we were an HP shop, constant issues. I got a batch of 60 brand new Elite books and at least half were DOA in some way or another. I would never use HP again.

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Mcb2139@reddit

Absolutely stay away from HP. They are the worst laptops my company has ever used. We have over seven thousand of them and we have about a 30 percent fail rate with various hardware. We just switched to dell about 8 monyts ago and so far so good. Lenovo was by far the best, but but we can't use them anymore because China.

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Educational_Boot315@reddit

The drop in quality from latitude 5k series to Dell Pro Plus has been shocking. And don’t even consider AMD builds to save a few bucks; we have like a 50% hardware failure rate in the first year on those.

Pro Support Plus is great when they send somebody out but support has been very insistent on dragging out as long as possible lately. It isn’t worth my employee’s time to spend all day on the phone with them doing stupid tests for obvious hardware issues so we stopped buying it.

I’m just holding on to our Lattitudes for as long as we can. Anyone who wants to switch to a MacBook Air can and their Lattitude gets put in the spare/backup pile for the Windows users.

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aringa@reddit

We tried Lenovo a few years ago and came quickly back to Dell after Kevin couldn't provide parts and warranty repairs as quickly as Dell. SLAs didn't matter to them.

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Raz0r25@reddit

We are and HP shop, and our RMA rate is really low. We work with Dell and Lenovo centric customers and I think like any of the manufacturers, it’s a matter of buying the business line not the residential line. Probooks and Elitebooks, Firefly and Zbooks for the discrete graphics side of the house and you will be fine. We put out about 830 pro books in the last 18 months, and we’ve had one RMA, and when it came back in, it smelled like coffee, hint hint. We’ve not had the same RMA results from Lenovo for certain.

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i_am_dangry@reddit

We have an Elitebook 840 that smells like coffee too. Such an odd failure, HP must use coffee infused magic smoke

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FacepalmFullONapalm@reddit

HP gotta spill coffee on it before Stacey down in marketing gets the chance to

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Anthropic_Principles@reddit

Aside from the ridiculous power connectors I've been very happy with Microsoft Surface devices.

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skrillex_sk2@reddit

Thinkpads. No idea wh ty people even use Dells or HPs

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Horsemeatburger@reddit

We use both (Dell and HP), and like others said each of them have some issues. Dell support has gone downhill so at this time I'd say they are on par with HP support.

Thankfully, as we're not on Windows we're fine with the current stock of hardware which could get us over the next two years if necessary, but I fear if things continue as they are then business laptops will have become high value assets which are built worse than today's consumer laptops that are sold at Walmart.

We also had Lenovo in the past (since back when they were IBM) but we stopped buying them because they had the highest failure rates and lots of inherent design flaws. But that was some time ago so maybe it's time to have another look at their current offering.

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Sw33tkill3r@reddit

Everyone sells the same shit. Imho it's all about after sales support. Dell's went to shit years ago. We switched to Lenovo a few years back and while we do have issues or get duds, their premier support is almost perfect, and when they fail, their sales rep gets them back on track.

No experience with HP.

DO NOT BUY SURFACE. Everything is automated for their warranty process. I could not speak to anyone. I had a warranty go sideways, their system said a replacement was sent out but also failed to deliver, and it was stuck in limbo for a year. I gave up for a while, then they tried to bill me twice for it. Not worth it. Only reason we kept buying them was because we could get demo units at 1/2 off...

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BlueScreenIRL@reddit (OP)

I sort of feel the same way. Basically the same hardware in a different package backed by different companies. That being said, I have seen a lot of hate for HP here.

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whatsforsupa@reddit

I sincerely think that, even with all of their shit, Dell is the best enterprise platform.

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malikto44@reddit

I would assert that Dell sucks the least. Are they great? Meh. However, the main reason I recommend them is that they suck the least, in my experience, and you can swing some deals if you are a large Dell shop.

For example, being able to repair laptops and other parts on-site without having to send for a service tech. In some areas, where it can takes days to weeks getting a machine out of the high security area to the tech, being able to work with it in situ by a vetted FTE can save a lot of time.

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SuperGoodSpam@reddit

I concur.

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chasewhit2003@reddit

And MY axe!

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chasewhit2003@reddit

And MY axe!

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cjchico@reddit

Agreed

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GinnyJr@reddit

Same

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Severin_@reddit

Yeah we came to the same conclusion a while ago when we started seeing the failure rates on Dell Latitude/Precision/XPS models increasing noticeably with our clients that had majority or entirely Dell fleets (especially just outside of warranty periods) and Dell's support has been going downhill in terms of their MTTRs although to their credit, their responsiveness/communication hasn't really changed thankfully and they're always relatively easily reachable.

The final straws for me were a number of Dell laptops that had to be repaired multiple times within warranty for the same fault/hardware issue (across batches of devices) and Dell trying their hardest to drop/dismiss our support cases and us having to basically politely threaten them legally to get any escalation/resolution.

The last Dell support case I raised, I had a Level 1 guy tell me that they ran some photos I took of a laptop display fault through an "AI analysis tool" which them told them that the laptop had been dropped/physically damaged (which it hadn't) and hence the issue was considered user-induced damage and not covered under warranty which is wild and something I hadn't seen before.

My take on the Tier-1 OEMs at the moment is:

Lenovo: generate the least overall warranty claims/support cases for our MSP across all clients. However, all of our clients that are heavy Lenovo users generally speaking have mild workloads/use cases, simple environments and buy mid-range at best laptops (usually with no discrete GPUs).
HP: our default OEM for "power user" laptops for our clients with more compute intensive workloads/use cases. I see a lot of people shitting on HP in here but in the last few years I've seen a notable decline in Dell reliability to the point where our HP device fleets are definitely winning the numbers when it comes to warranty claims/support cases over Dell.
Dell: we're generally avoiding supplying new Dell hardware for the foreseeable future unless there's a very particular need/insistence on it from client. We've been burnt one too many times in the last few years and wasted a huge amount of non-billable hours on wrestling with Dell support so that's why they've lost us probably for good now.

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sleepmaster91@reddit

Lenovo without a doubt

Just make sure you get ThinkPADS NOT ThinkBOOKS

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gamblodar@reddit

All hail the eraser!

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totmacher12000@reddit

I've used Dell, HP and Lenovo. Dell servers are great. HP was horrid don't do that. Dell support is good but they have become stringy with warranty stuff. Lenovo support is good and I like their products. So Dell or Lenovo. Would be my suggestion.

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LRS_David@reddit

The lower end of the Windows market is in a race to the bottom. Or under the bottom. Hard to tell these days.

We have 16 HP Z mini systems doing CAD. At any one time one of them will be out of service. And the onsite repair service is via a 3rd party. And they have a lot of trouble fixing them. Most of the time HP gives up and just swaps them. These 3rd party guys all say they handle all the major brands and from their point of view the big three are all about the same.

What I have learned to do for those in or out of warranty but tend to lock up every week or few is literally have a local repair shop dismantle them and put them back together. So far it has worked 5 times in 2 years. Which tells me that there is corrosion build up on contacts or a poor initial build.

When dealing with HP service on these intermittent lockups they tend to say try these 3 things then ask the next day if their fix worked. On something that occurs every week or few.

The race to the bottom sucks.

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sc302@reddit

Dell support is the worst its ever been. They can’t even get their warranty renewals right. Such garbage. 9 months of back and forth telling them what specific service tags we had and every time they updated they sent us the same wrong quote.

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BlueScreenIRL@reddit (OP)

Brutal

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Few-Shoulder8960@reddit

Can you expand on the issues you’re having with Dell? Are you buying through standard consumer channels or B2B? I would NOT recommend HP - beyond unreliable and garbage support.

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BlueScreenIRL@reddit (OP)

Traditionally, we would buy 7000 series Latitudes and a mix of Precisions, depending on need. I don't remember the new model names off the top of my head, but we worked with our Dell rep during the transition to get the current equivalents.

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Awkward-Candle-4977@reddit

which dell laptop model?

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CPAtech@reddit

Curious what issues you've had with their warranties? We are also a Dell shop.

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BlueScreenIRL@reddit (OP)

We pay for the higher-tier warranties, but we rarely ever have to use Dell's support for anything. We don't like downtime, so we thought the peace of mind of having good warranties would be worth it.

A while back, we ordered a small batch of laptops and have had constant problems. A few times a week, the users come in to a blue screen device or, even worse, the laptops have a black screen and are completely unresponsive. Holding the power button usually shuts them down. Then we can restart the laptop.

The warranty process has been pretty bad. Dell's support team walks us through troubleshooting. Eventually, they agree to let us send them back for repair. We get the laptops back wiped. We set the laptops up and send them out to the users, but the same problems persist. We contact Dell support again, and the cycle has been rinse and repeat for the last few months.

Feels like insanity but there is nothing we can do about it.

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SecludedExtrovert@reddit

Lenovo

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Swimming-Hawk-8639@reddit

I get our admin staff Lenovo e14s with 3 year depot only warranty and add on accidental damage and battery warranty. You can even include your m365 tenant id to configure with auto pilot. It comes out to around $1200-1300. Lenovos mail in depot repair is phenomenal. They’ll send you a box within 24-48 hours. I’ve never waited more than 5 days to get it back and they’ve never denied a repair.

For general staff we’ve been buying eBay certified refurbished Lenovos which comes with 1-2 year warranty through Allstate but no accidental damage protection. The average is around $350 - $450 and funny enough, they run just as good as the new $1200 which surprised me since some are technically 5 years old. We’ve bought over 10 in the past 7 months and haven’t had any failures yet.

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vNerdNeck@reddit

what model Dell are you using?

If you are not buying the latitude line.. this is def going to happen.

XPS are not business machines no matter how much some folks like them. The cheap Dell laptops are also not business machines.

HP - blah. Ran HP for years, never impressed. The only ever made once decent laptop (IMO), it was the first "tablet" style with the rotating screen and a mouse pimple in the middle of the keyboard. Those things were actually fairly rugged, tech beat the hell out of them (this is going back almost 20 years though).. since then nah.

Lenovo is really your only other decent option in the corporate space (outside of macbooks OFC).

none of them are perfect, all of them will have issues.

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Prophage7@reddit

Lenovo is the alternative to Dell for good business laptops. HP is cheaper but you get what you pay for.

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TheCudder@reddit

Great ain't always greener. I'll never recommend leaving Dell for the simple fact that their customer service, warranty support and turnaround time is second to none.

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BlueScreenIRL@reddit (OP)

Terrible customer service has been a significant factor in our decision to seek a new vendor. A few years ago, I would have agreed with you. Looking back, we had very few problems, so most of the support I required was regarding selection for our standard configurations.

Recently, we have had a few problems, and the support team has been a nightmare to work with. We pay for the higher-tier extended warranties. It shouldn't be a painful process.

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Aarinfel@reddit

Except when it isn't. Had the premium support for years but it went downhill fast. Switch to Lenovo a few years ago and the support has been way better

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TheCudder@reddit

Can't say I've had the same experience. I'm still be having a great experience with Dell as of just a month ago.

What's your exact situation that was "bad"? The phone/chat tech? The onsite tech? Part shipping times/delays? Pro Deployment?

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ZeR0BuG@reddit

We moved to Dell from HP.... best decision ever... Not perfect, but better than HP by a mile. If we weren't Gov't in Texas we'd entertain lenovo if we had an issue with Dell, but the state just banned Lenovo from all government entities.

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Foreign_Ad_5022@reddit

You can use carbon system they are pretty good

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Flaky-Gear-1370@reddit

Dells service in apac is garbage, next business day = 6 plus weeks even on DOA equipment

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Kryavan@reddit

We're moving entirely to Surfaces from Dell.

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GinnyJr@reddit

Some of the surfaces are surprisingly well built .. I never thought I’d say that

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OddWriter7199@reddit

Microsoft makes Surfaces, don't they?

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Kryavan@reddit

My comment wasn't clear - we currently are using Dells, and are moving to Surfaces.

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Crotean@reddit

All laptops are going to have reliability issues for the next two years IMHO. The sudden memory shortage means builders are cutting corners IMHO. I bet a lot of spotty memory is going out.

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Ferretau@reddit

The issues with laptop builds has been ongoing. I've seen issues with components like the cameras being POS, Audio dropping out and requiring reinstalling drivers. IMHO the builders are buying components as they do laptop runs now and not using fixed contracts for the life of the laptop anymore to squeeze their costs down.

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what_dat_ninja@reddit

Yeah audio issues on Dells (Latitudes and Pros) have been rough the last year or two.

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GinnyJr@reddit

That damn audio driver

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Crotean@reddit

That makes sense too

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ProfileOrdinary9916@reddit

They all suck. It either manifests up front in the form of weekly price increase and 14 day quote validity hellscape that companies traditionally used to 30 day po processes are struggling to catch up on Ala Dell and HP

Or it comes a year or two after you scored that " super special new customer deal " that scored you a pizza party from the CFO. When you renew they bend you over the barrel because your already invested into hardware,accessory,polices,patching, etc to start over with a new brand..looking at you Lenovo.

This might be a controversial statement and get some hate but hear me out. If your shop uses Intune or a MDM solution please look into W365 or a VDI solution to replace laptop. W365 is app based, easily managed within Intune and can be ran on cheaper hardware. Bonus points if your org is open to using the Link device. Its dirt cheap, can be deployed over existing laptop setups, and are surprisingly accepted by most users.

I am not a Microsoft simp, the opposite and am working on my manifesto describing my orgs journey from Hybrid to Cloud and the train wreck that was Microsoft Premier, 3rd party off shore contractors, the joke that is the P1 que, Intune Connector, Cloud PKI and Microsofts absolute refusal to acknowledge that they abandoned hybrid as a product June of last year with no real path forward other than convert your stuff and good luck.

But its really nice paying a fixed cost per month, that I can scale up or down depending on the hiring of the org, provisioning is automated and fast with the same apps as the laptops, just slight different device configurations and CA. Still MFA and use WhfB to do password less. And for those heathens still sucking in hybrid land you can hybrid provision, connect and pki them until you go Cloud.

Ive gone from ordering 400 laptops a year to 100 or so, it also allowed the smaller user base to get better models and allowed us to entertain more custom configurations like touch screen, small form factor, 2 in 1 and even surfaces for execs.

Open to answering any questions folks may have, but please atleast reach out to your rep, var, or visit the Microsoft website and atleast look at it during these absolutely crazy times.

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BlueScreenIRL@reddit (OP)

Super interesting, I will look into this more. I don't know if this is the type of solution that my team would be willing to support, but at a glance, this sounds cool.

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ProfileOrdinary9916@reddit

If you have any questions please dont hesitate to message me or comment on here.

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AvonMustang@reddit

Are you buying business or consumer Dell laptops? If you're buying consumer then that explains it.

HP and Lenovo are the "best" for Windows laptops if you buy the business ones but really they aren't that much better than Dell.

Consider Macs though. We now offer most end-users a choice of Mac or Windows and a growing number are selecting Macs. We have 3 year leases for Windows and 5 year for Macs so that more than makes up the difference in price.

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Ferretau@reddit

Hate to burst your bubble but all the vendors you list have had problems with different models both across their retail and enterprise in the last few years.

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BoringOrange678@reddit

What Mac’s are you using?

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Rude_Strawberry@reddit

Is leasing expensive? Do you lease direct via dell?

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thebigshoe247@reddit

HP is never the best for anything.

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exedore6@reddit

Except for when they made calculators.

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dartdoug@reddit

And scientific equipment.

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W3tTaint@reddit

Dells suck, but their on site support is the best. Depot support is bullshit.

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Own_Error_007@reddit

I solely do Lenovo. And have never regretted it.

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discusseded@reddit

Several years ago I did a contract gig with a bank. They were refreshing their whole fleet with Lenovo ThinkPads, and I shit you not, 2 out of every 10 were DOA. It was unbelievable, but every test confirmed it was real. The bank's IT was shocked, and I swore off Lenovo from that day on.

Since when did they improve?

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Own_Error_007@reddit

Been using them for a decade and can't think of even one DOA. But I do buy them in ones and twos.

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mcapozzi@reddit

Lenovo as long as you don't buy the cheap models (like the E series).

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KandevDev@reddit

the unsexy answer: lenovo thinkpads for laptops. their build quality is what dell business-line USED to be 10 years ago. p-series for workstations, t-series for laptops. their service is also actually accountable, lenovo commercial support tier means a real human you can escalate to. HP elitebooks are also fine but their warranty support has gotten worse the last 2 years.

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Opposite_Bag_7434@reddit

Lenovo

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rh681@reddit

Lenovo is the gold standard IMO. I only buy Thinkpad T series.

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ElveTaz@reddit

After HPs and Lenovos, I just do Dells. Samsung for execs since they do travel to different states often - its light af with a similar premium feel to MacBook but is obv windows. Dells by far have had best support and usually great shipping. Used them jn my last job for 6 years with no issues, now here for a year no issues. Live in east coast if that matters.

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Wild_Swimmingpool@reddit

We use Lenovo X1 Carbons and have had an overall pretty good experience. Like any vendor the biggest failure points we see are the usb ports that people abuse. Internally we rarely see hardware failures.

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SquizzOC@reddit

HP is a dumpster fire, I’m a fan of Dell personally but Lenovo is solid. Do not go HP

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galland101@reddit

Lenovo ThinkPads. If you want truly repairable ones, Framework 13.

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Jgarc173@reddit

I second frameworks. Kind of painful to setup but easy to repair

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Ant1mat3r@reddit

Our org uses surface laptops exclusively. Reliability is better than other devices we've used.

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demonfurbie@reddit

I ended up with frameworks, Lenovos are a close 2nd.

If Microsoft keeps acting up I may end up having my department test out a Mac neo and see how it is.

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Aware-Owl4346@reddit

We just got a couple of Frameworks to try them out. Got sick of shipping laptops out for repairs to Dell and Lenovo, we’re hoping the promise of swappable parts and self repair are true.

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rthonpm@reddit

Maybe you just need to get a better warranty than the basic depot repair.

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demonfurbie@reddit

That’s weird I haven’t had any issue outside is ssds that we installed. Tbh all are kinda crap right now.

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Aware-Owl4346@reddit

With Lenovo right now it's flickering/dark screens. Happened on three in the past year.

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quazex13@reddit

I was in the same boat, had a Mac mini m4 on my desk and never used it. Then one day my Lenovo was having a bad day and I started using it. Haven’t really gone back. The only time I use it now is when I need portability but I am going to just get a MacBook Pro and make it my daily driver.

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protogenxl@reddit

Pro Books and Elite Books are ok, usually get the AMD variants....

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dreamersword@reddit

We are using framework laptops but we are very small and haven't had any issues yet.

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zAuspiciousApricot@reddit

iBuyPower

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galland101@reddit

Nah, man, Razer.

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MaNbEaRpIgSlAyA@reddit

lol

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zAuspiciousApricot@reddit

That was a joke by the way if anyone missed it Lol

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moldyjellybean@reddit

Back in the day like t420 t520 t530 we had thousands of those worldwide they tanks . Best machine every

Now Lenovo is not the best but the least worst. It’s still miles ahead of Dell and HP. Or go to MacBooks

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voodoo1982@reddit

Harder to justify Dell now with prices

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cowprince@reddit

We're primarily an HP/HPE shop.

Mostly ZBooks of some flavor. They've been fine for the most part. Every so often we have a dock related issue here or there. I think they try to make them too smart.

If you use Intune, HP Connect works really well to control BIOS updates and settings.

But to be real, laptops and desktops are commodity items. They're all generally dog turds in the enterprise space. I've been lucky enough to deal with Surface, Dell and HP. They all have their issues. I've never dealt with Lenovo, but their sales team has never put forth a good foot with us.

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