Thinking of buying a new car why should I choose a hybrid? Or should I stick with gas only?

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potato_potahhhtoe@reddit

It's great and quite true (the mpgs). I drive a sienna hybrid and it's been a gas saver. Only thing that will suck is if the electric side of the car breaks down (like an electric battery), it could get costly. And idk if applies to all state laws but I just pay more on my car's annual sticker (still worth the gas the though).

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FunRaise6773@reddit

Hybrids help the most with city/urban driving. Do the math on the price premium vs estimated gas savings. It’ll tell you how long a payback period for the hybrid option.

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VoidingSounds@reddit

They also drive better. IME the Toyota hybrids from a performance perspective slot in between the base I4 and the V6 in terms of torque available. I look at it as an upgrade that also nets you way better fuel economy.

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PetriDishCocktail@reddit

The Toyota Tacoma is a perfect example. The base engine makes 286HP/310 lb ft of torque horsepower, But the hybrid makes 326 horsepower and a whopping 465 lb ft of torque.

However, I do have to point out that the Ford Ranger Raptor puts out 450 horsepower and 500 lb ft... Sometimes it's nearly $10,000 cheaper than the equivalent Tacoma.

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VoidingSounds@reddit

The hybrid trucks are kind of different, they still have conventional transmissions unlike Toyota's car hybrid systems and I will not be defending them.. But yes, you get more power and better MPG

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DFLDrew@reddit

I started looking at them for towing. Yeah, the extra torque is nice but the batteries are so small, it seems like very limited regen opportunity, like a mile or two. Kinda broke the value proposition for me

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alan_megawatts@reddit

Isn’t that the point of the trucks? The hybrid isn’t really there for efficiency it’s to boost torque

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Sketch2029@reddit

This is true for every hybrid.

In cases where efficiency is more important the electric motor allows them to run a smaller or less powerful gas engine without losing much performance.

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Specialist_Ad7722@reddit

This is the way to look at it.

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alan_megawatts@reddit

You know and you do fill the atmosphere with less burnt gasoline if you care about that.

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Potential4752@reddit

It’s worth explicitly saying that hybrids are also more efficient on the highway.

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SeesawBeautiful5839@reddit

Without traffic and with depleted battery there is no juice for hybrid to run on.

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IAteTonysLoMein@reddit

So then it'll just run from the ICE like any other car

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Hersbird@reddit

It ends up running like a normal ICE car for 3-4 miles while recharging, then shuts down the ICE and runs EV for a mile. You end up overall getting 20-25% at infinity mpg, and 75-80% of the time at normal mpg. It does take some extra gas to recharge during the 3-4 miles it runs, but it actually puts a more efficient load on the engine into a better part of a brake specific fuel consumption table of the ICE. End result even without any regen braking at play, it gets 20% better mpg even steady state freeway speeds than the same car without hybrid.

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VoidingSounds@reddit

It will run like a car with a more efficient ICE.

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StarHammer_01@reddit

Hybrid will charge their battery with the engine when its too low.

It'll also give you an eletric extra kick when you need to pass while keeping the engine at max efficiency.

Also most hybrids use Atkinson cycle / Miller cycle engines, and have a greater expansion ratio than non hybrids with the same engine. (Ie Toyota 2.5l dynamic force engine has a compression ratio of 1:15 for the non hybrid, and 1:16 for hybrids)

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what_to_do_what_to_@reddit

I too enjoy Technology Connections

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VoidingSounds@reddit

I was doing the Leo DiCaprio pointing move that whole video.
(I understood the point of hybrids)

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snipsuper415@reddit

The break even point of gas vs hybrid cars tend to be around 60k miles assuming the price difference is roughly ~$4k and a mileage difference of 15mpg... Probably less with how crazy gas prices are now.

Assuming you hold on to the car for a long period of time like 5 or so years, it makes sense

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sweetrobna@reddit

You didn't ask about a minivan, but I would look at those too. Sienna is basically the same as a highlander except a little lower to the ground, easier to get in an out, sliding doors. Substantially more interior cargo room. Costs less, better mpg. Sienna starts $7000 less than the highlander and gets 1mpg more, comparing hybrids. 11mpg better than the gas highlander(sienna is only hybrid).

I would also consider a plugin hybrid, rav4 or prius. I got a plugin hybrid escape recently and sold the gas version. ~35 mile of battery range. Paying way less for gas. Great gas mileage driving around town with the regen braking. And still if you want to go on a road trip you don't have to plan out charging or anything special like an EV. I get a little over 40mpg on a long road trip without the battery, 45 ish city driving. But most of my driving is electric. I was getting like 31mpg overall on the non hybrid, so even without the battery there is some savings there. A prius would stretch all of that further, 52mpg rated, rav4 is about the same as an escape.

Also there are a lot of small less tangible advantages to a plugin hybrid. Time savings not stopping for gas every week or two, charge at home. The AC and everything runs on the battery. It doesn't need the engine running to work fully like most cars. So when you are stopped in a parking lot or loading the car or in a garage you don't need the engine running but the AC still cools it down. My wife would sit in the car for 5-15 minutes with the engine on and AC blasting while on the phone, no issue now. Instant torque from the electric motor, feels zippy at lower speeds. Shifting into reverse, starting the car is surprisingly quick, electric is quieter. Also I was concerned about the longer term reliability/repair cost of the 1.5l with a turbo, with the cvt transmission. Not a concern if you are comparing to a naturally aspirated engine with an 8 speed auto.

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Ok-Gas-7135@reddit

Gas ain’t getting much cheaper any time soon…

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Synicism77@reddit

A hybrid means you will spend less on gas because you will get better gas mileage. That's basically all you need to know.

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u3b3rg33k@reddit

toyota "E-CVT" hybrids are absolute tanks of transmissions. about as simple as a system can be, and gives you better MPG. just gears, no clutches/belts to wear. highly recommended.

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Sarionum@reddit

This is why I chose a hybrid as a owner who wants a vehicle for 15-25 years.

1: fuel economy. Estimated driving around 20k miles a year, a hybrid would save me 2-5k dollars in gas a year. 2: reliability. This is a major factor for me. Hybrid cars are easier to work on than vehicles with a V6 or V6, the e-CVT transmission is the most robust transmission ever, even stronger than a manual transmission and will last over 600k miles with minimal maintenance (multiple engines essentially) 3: Negative maintenance. No starter, no alternator, brakes every 200-300k miles. Many hybrid engines also have much longer sparkplug change interval than NA engines. 4: resale value. Hybrids hold their value much better than gas cars.

All in all, hybrids are more reliable, cheaper to own in maintenance and fuel cost, hold their value longer, easier to fix and repair, and have negative maintenance.

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Fun_Boss_2112@reddit

We have owned five Toyota hybrids, including my 2017 RAV4 Limited. 90,000 miles on it, no major issues (and no problems with the hybrid systems), it just does what I need it to do, economically and reliably. 400,000-plus miles all told. Problems have been few, minor and didn't involve the hybrid systems.

The most common type of hybrid uses a gas engine, an electric motor that can be charged off engine power, and also by braking or coasting. The car can run on gas, on the battery or both, depending on conditions. They tend to get better mileage in city driving and less mileage on the highway. Every so often, you have to go into a gas station and fill up.

Less common is the plug-in hybrid. It's a lot like the other hybrid, but it has a bigger battery and can be charged on ordinary wall current. You'll get perhaps 12-50 miles of electric travel on a full battery, depending on the car. If the battery runs down, it operates just like an ordinary hybrid.

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Paulahk91@reddit (OP)

So you would recommend not a plug in hybrid?

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ValuableCommunity712@reddit

Not unless you like to fill up the gas tank and plug in. Studies show most plug in hybrids aren’t plugged in. I hate em both to be honest. Solid BMW fanboy until the latest M5 arrived. A V8 plug 🔌in hybrid. Left BMW for a Z06. I don’t want to plug in, nor have my car shut off at stop lights.

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abrandis@reddit

Dont bother with a plugin unless your commute distance (both ways) is less than the phev range .

Phev is basically just a regular hybrid with a bigger battery for extended EV operation.. but it's heavier , more expensive and generally not worth the money unless you have a short commute

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dbelcher17@reddit

OP said their commute is 20 miles a day, so there are plenty of PHEV options that would cover that. Also, you still get great savings even if EV driving only covers a portion of your commute.

If you can charge at home, and your utility power isn't crazy expensive, you'll probably come out ahead by going PHEV for your daily commute. I have a Honda Clarity PHEV that gets about 40 EV miles on a full charge, and 40ish mpg when in hybrid mode. For me, at $0.09/kwh, a full charge costs about $1, which is way less than a gallon of gas $4.20 last time I filled up). So even if my commute was 80 miles a day, I'd pay $5.20 a day for the PHEV versus $8.40 a day with an efficient hybrid.

These numbers will be different for different models. I would avoid Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler PHEV vehicles, as I've heard the quality level is not very good.

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Hersbird@reddit

I only had a phev for 6 months but the first 2 months and 2000 miles the gas engine never started a single time. It was great. I just got offered $10,000 more than I bought it for during the chip shortages and figured that was more money than I was saving.

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VentureCO6@reddit

Also have a Honda clarity and absolutely love it and would recommend PHEV for anyone looking for a commuter car.

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Fun_Boss_2112@reddit

That depends. There is a price premium for them. If you keep the battery charged and your trips are mostly short, you could theoretically do all your driving on electricity. But you'd have to remember to plug in regularly.

We have owned a 2007 and a 2010 Prius, a 2007 and a 2019 Highlander and a 2017 RAV4. Nobody makes hybrids better than Toyota.

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Mr-Zappy@reddit

City efficiency is usually at least as good as advertised (unless you take lots of trips of a mile or less). The transmission is simpler than any automatic or manual. The brakes last a lot longer. It doesn’t need a turbo. If you drive more than 5k miles annually, I recommend the hybrid.

Also a hybrid isn’t really an electric option, unless it’s a plug-in hybrid; only get a plug-in hybrid if you’re going to regularly plug it in.

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makeherbeg4it@reddit

Depends on if you like money or not. If you do, get a hybrid...if not, then don't.

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Realistic-Feature997@reddit

For mostly city driving, hybrid for sure.

With a plug-in hybrid, you won't even touch your gas tank most days, at 20 miles a day.

You might even wanna consider a full-blown EV with a daily drive in the 20-mile range, on mostly city streets.

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OkSchool619@reddit

Left out the only type of car that matters...

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Paulahk91@reddit (OP)

What would that be?

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OkSchool619@reddit

Duh?

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Sweet_Baby_Cheezus@reddit

So I would say you may want to look into a PHEV (Plug in Hybrid Electric Vehicle). If the majority of your driving is short trips then you can mostly fill up on electricity at home (a wall outlet is fine if you have one) and then use the gas engine on longer journeys.

Regular hybrids store most of the energy from stopping and then use a small electric engine to help get the car up to speed. This is helpful because you're saving the energy to accelerate and also because gas engines like to be kept at consistent RPMs and having the electric motor assists on the most stressful part on engines for driving.

A regular hybrids is probably good for your case as they tend to get close to the same mileage city as highway but an electric vehicle is almost always better for city driving.

Obviously you have to weigh the gas savings vs the upfront and electric costs, but it sounds like you're in the goldilocks zone of where a PHEV makes sense.

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wordfluff@reddit

That's where I'm at. I drive 25 miles each ay to work 5 days a week. I charge my car at work as well. I have not had to buy gas yet in my PHEV. Rides incredible smooth. Normally in my ICE vehicle I got gas once a week at a average of 50-60 dollars. Now I charge at home for a out 1.50 a day and charge at work. I've saved a ton already not having to buy gas as often. Now I'm looking at getting a used full EV for me and giving the hybrid to the wife when her car is ready to go.

I've been extremely happy this far for my PHEV and highly recommend to those who's commute makes sense.

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phoenix823@reddit

I got a plug in hybrid back in November. It'll do 35 miles in city driving before switching to the gas motor. The biggest advantage is that the electric motor is silent which makes the ride more comfortable, and it's snappy compared to the gas motor that takes time to spin up. Most people are going to tell you to do the math to see if the hybrid MPG savings will pay for the extra expense of the more expensive car. I didn't look at it like that. I enjoyed the silence and luxury of driving on electric much of the time while still having the option to use gas for longer trips. Take whichever approach you like, but definitely try a gas-only and a plug in hybrid before deciding.

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whiskeyanonose@reddit

The hybrids also usually maintain their premium on the trade in, so you don’t need to make it all up in fuel costs

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series-hybrid@reddit

I like hybrids.

https://www.electricbike.com/the-curious-case-of-the-600000-mile-hybrid-electric-taxi/

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Jonny-Raze@reddit

Buy whatever gets the worst gas mileage.

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funcentric@reddit

Hybrid is fine if the numbers work, but most people shouldn't be buying a plug-in hybrid. It's just the worse of both worlds.

Whether to go hybrid or not also depends on how long you plan to keep the car and what you anticipate changing during that time. Generally if you're paying more for the hybrid, you're just paying the dealer up front instead of the gas station overtime. People prefer that b/c it doesn't remind them of money out of their pockets every time they're at a gas station. But the money out of your pocket is the same whether it's at the gas station or with the dealer, except it's not. With the dealer, if you take a loan, you're paying interest on that money vs no one really pas interest at the gas pump unless they don't pay off their credit cards at the end of the month.

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Rough_Cancel7265@reddit

If you're mostly driving city, and it's 20 miles consistently, skip the plug in hybrid and go electric. Unless you really need a lot of range consistently I don't recommend them (like 400 miles plus consistently)

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szaade@reddit

Toyota hybrids are great, because not only they get better fuel economy both in the city and the highway, but they are also actually somehow simpler than regular gas cars. They don't have a fan belt, they don't have an alternator or a starter (things that are known for prematurely failing), they do a lot of braking with the electric motors, so you don't need to change brake pads and rotors so often. They are electric when needed and petrol when needed. I'd also argue that E-CVTs are nice and offer good throttle response (in sport modes, when the pedal is not sluggish on purpose), and compared to a dsg they will last much longer. The only downside of them is the noise they get when floored, but I'd say you can get used to it. I just wouldn't take them if you're a big enthusiast or drive very dynamically and don't like the noise. Imo Toyota hybrids are kinda peak, and I'm saying it as an owner of a 23 years old R6 N/A BMW.

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TrainingGrape540@reddit

In this economy with gas prices, hybrid is going to go a long way for sure however for SUVs there’s only the CRV and RAV4 Hybrid which is the $35k to $45k and Highlander Hybrid for around $47k to $55k then there’s the 4Runner and Land Cruiser Hybrid which is the $50k to $70k so quite a bit limited there in options with a huge price gap

The Highlander seems like a solid choice for a three row SUV and hybrid however I would not recommend the 4 cylinder it’s not bad it just feels like an overworked engine in a bigger car and there’s also the Hyundai and Kia counterparts which are decent for the money I’m a bit biased as I hear mixed things about those cars unfortunately I’m not even sure when Honda is bringing hybrid to the Pilot and Passport as they had a major setback with EVs which sucks because they could easily lead with V6 hybrids which are the best of both worlds and offer competitive value against Toyota and the Koreans just such a shame with how everything is miscalculated

Nissan is coming out with the Xterra and Pathfinder hybrid with V6 hopefully soon within a year which is great because you have a great option with something smooth and reliable with the efficiency of a hybrid and it’ll most likely be $45k which will be insane value for car in 2027-2028 even without many of them being marked up so that’s an option if you’re willing to wait

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Fun_Boss_2112@reddit

We are a retired senior couple and use our HiHy as a big two-row. The third seat is a tight place for anyone who has graduated from middle school.

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TrainingGrape540@reddit

How does the HiHy drive? How does the 4-cylinder feel? I like the 4-cylinder in my Civic Hybrid however, in a car as big as the Highlander I would much rather have the V6 but how do you like the car so far?

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Fun_Boss_2112@reddit

We like it just fine. You get a good "shove" from the electric motor when you start. Comfortable for long drives.

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StraightLog1255@reddit

If you’re mostly driving under 60mph the hybrid will be worth it

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Lord_Vader654@reddit

…my ‘26 Camry hybrid gets 44 mpg, and half my 40 mile drive to work is done on the interstate, so I’ve got no idea what you mean by this.

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fezcabdriver@reddit

20miles a day is not a lot. IMO, if this is consistent, you are better of with a gas car from an economics point of view. You may be paying a premium for a hybrid or hybrid plug in and it would take 7 years to recoup vs what you pay in gas...or soemthing like that.

Also, there is a difference between hybrid, plugin hybrid, and full EV.

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MostlyBrine@reddit

20 miles a day (10 miles one way) is really hard on any ICE vehicle. You will pay the difference in repairs and maintenance. This is domain of battery electric vehicles.

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fezcabdriver@reddit

Respectfully, I disagree. Unless the OP is driving in the outback.

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MostlyBrine@reddit

It is your right to believe whatever you want. This doesn’t make me wrong. I have driven for 7 years a car, for a total of 13 miles/ day. The average fuel mileage was abysmal (13mpg from 30 normal), I had to change the oil every two months to make sure that I don’t wreck the engine, and in the end I had to replace the fuel injectors and the ignition coil pack due to the engine running rich almost all the time. All these despite driving every weekend for two hours at highway speeds to boil the water and fuel contamination from the engine oil. I would have used a bicycle, however it was raining every day for 8-9 months of the year and I would rather be dry.

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NecessaryEmployer488@reddit

Hybrids are generally good options if you drive quite a bit. If you are putting over 15,000 miles a year on your vehicle Hybrids can save quite a bit of money. It is worth seeing the miles with and without a hybrid. Some Hybrids give you more torque and power, and less gains on gas mileage. The length of time the battery will last is somewhat unknown, but assume you will need to replace in the 10-12 year timeframe.

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IBringTheHeat2@reddit

Even if you drive a lot on the highway, hybrids get better gas mileage than gas only. All the taxis in New York are hybrid RAV4’s and have 3-4-500,000 miles now and are never turned off.

I recommend a Toyota Venza Hybrid Limited

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unwittyusername42@reddit

The biggest question is how long/how many miles do you plan on keeping it for? Long term battery replacement kills mpg savings

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white94rx@reddit

No hybrid. All gas or all electric.

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osmiumblue66@reddit

Electric vehicles are not a good choice where charging infrastructure isn't available or if th owner lives in an apartment or townhouse where charging isn't possible.

Hybrid saves fuel, provides a better driving experience, and recharges while you drive.

If you spend a lot of time on the Interstate, an ICE can make sense.

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VoidingSounds@reddit

Strong disagree. Having owned Toyota hybrids I would chose the (Toyota) hybrid 9 times out of 10 over a straight gas engine car. More power, better mpg and a bulletproof transmission. That 1 time would be a sports car with 3 pedals.

But my next car will be electric.

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KillrBeeKilld@reddit

I would go either full gas or full electric. No half measures. I realized that some of them can be very reliable, but that is a very complicated system having a hybrid vehicle.

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Potential4752@reddit

The hybrid system that Toyota and ford use is mechanically simpler than a full gas car.

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KillrBeeKilld@reddit

That doesn’t seem possible. A system that is both gas and electric is simpler than a gas only system?

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Potential4752@reddit

Yes. eCVT. All the transmission components are permanently connected, no shifting gears and no belts.

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KillrBeeKilld@reddit

CVTs are also very common in gas only cars.

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Potential4752@reddit

An eCVT is vastly different from a CVT. It has no belt.

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VoidingSounds@reddit

Toyota's eCVTs are more like a pair of differentials hooked together than a belt-and-cone CVT. This video does a really good job of explaining why Toyota's hybrids are GOATed https://youtu.be/KnUFH5GX_fI

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white94rx@reddit

This is the way. Why buy the problems of both drivetrains?

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Fun_Boss_2112@reddit

The Toyota hybrid system is bulletproof. Almost 20 years of driving them and they are the most reliable cars we've owned.

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Cbeckstrand@reddit

Totally agree, you have a NA engine that is only running half of the time as well as transmission that is much simpler and reliable.

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VoidingSounds@reddit

Long time Toyota hybrid owner here. What problems?

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deconstruct110@reddit

Agreed. We have four Toyota hybrids and they get great gas mileage with no EV limitations while puting far less stress on the gas components, transmission, and brakes.

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shitty_advice_BDD@reddit

Hybrid, no question.

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usernameS4@reddit

Have only filled up our PHEV with gasoline once in the past 2,000 miles. The switch was definitely worth it for us.

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DryFoundation2323@reddit

The type of driving you do is ideal for a hybrid. I would expect that you might even get higher gas mileage than what they say on the sticker. You might even want to consider a full electric. However you missed the really good deals on full electrics that occurred earlier this year. Because of the rising gas prices you'll probably pay 10 to 15,000 more for an electric then you would have in February or March.

What I can say is that if you do get an electric or even a hybrid you will not want to go back to a regular gas engine.

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Interesting_Debate57@reddit

Pure electrics are very nice as well. We got a Subaru pure electric and it's been great (and we live way out in the desert).

All you need is a power cord and you can charge it overnight whenever it gets low (with your driving that sounds like maybe every five days or so)

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otterland@reddit

Hybrid if the other choice is a small turbo for sure. Great economy but also those Atkinson cycle engines last forever.

My neighbor gets double city economy in her hybrid CRV as I get in my K24 with the regular automatic. She also paid about 700% more, LOL.

But if you're buying new and just planning on driving the thing for the next 15 years, hybrid hands down.

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Specialist_Ad7722@reddit

These small turbos are all unreliable and garbage. Especially the Hondas. Oil dilution, head gaskets, etc.

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Bagomostlywater@reddit

The Toyota 2.5L with eCVT is one of the best drivetrains made in modern times and is excellent for city driving. Where it falls short is fully loaded highway drives up mountain passes it lacks power, but still reliable. Small turbo engines with CVT transmissions are pretty poor so avoid those. eCVT and CVT are not the same.

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dave200204@reddit

I've had my Ford Escape Hybrid for 15 years. It has consistently gotten me really good mileage. Now that the high voltage battery is older the mpg has started to drop. I'm no longer able to get 30-32 mpg, it's more like 27 mpg. Having better mpg than a standard ICE car has been very nice. I paid more for a hybrid than a standard escape 15 years ago, but I've probably made back that price difference in the mileage savings. My next car will likely be another hybrid.

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Cbeckstrand@reddit

He bought a Highlander hybrid and love it. We get a solid 35+ MPG no matter what and it has been very dependable. The eCVT in the hybrid is also rock solid was a huge deciding factor for me since I have a hate for auto transmissions that can cost as much to replace as the motor.

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Specialist_Ad7722@reddit

Toyota makes the best hybrids. It’s not just about the MPG. It is about performance and driving dynamics. The hybrid is much more refined and pleasant for me. The mpg is a bonus. I just had a gas Highlander and that turbo was miserable to drive. Plus I do not trust the reliability of small turbos.

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HeftyAd6216@reddit

If you're city driving, Hybrids offer a vastly more efficient drivetrain.

All your stopping recovers a portion of the energy normally lost to heat.

Hybrids also don't need to spend fuel idling in most cases, unless the battery drops below a certain threshold.

Many of the accessories (AC, water pump, steering) are electrically driven rather than driven by the motor, saving some of the work normally lost to having to constantly spin them off the engine.

The engines themselves run on an "Atkinson" cycle. All you need to know is atkinson cycle is much more efficient, but gives poor power numbers. This lost power is replaced essentially by the electric motor assistance.

Hopefully I got the biggest points.

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otterland@reddit

The best way to understand Atkinson is that the power stroke travel is longer to squeeze every bit of energy out of each explosion. Such an engine would suck to drive by itself having low torque, but in a hybrid you get your torque from the electric motor. It's a brilliant design. Especially considering that being under such low stress, hybrid engines last forever.

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ji99lypu44@reddit

even about 6 months ago i would of said whatever is cheaper but with the way the world is going with gas prices id say hybrid is the better choice. If you do a lot of highway driving a hybird isnt neccesarily that much more fuel efficient but if you do city driving its a no brainer.

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Both_Painter_9186@reddit

So- I recently was looking at the CRV Hybrid Sport Touring and the Passport. Ended up with the Passport. Why?

The CRV was “fine.” Honestly for a stop/go city commute- it’s pretty darn good. But it droned on the highway and felt really underpowered over like 45mph. It also feels more like a car driving it. It just wasn’t quite big enough for my needs.

Then the big thing- the CRV is such an incredibly desirable vehicle, there are NO incentives and even markups. The price difference between the CRV I was looking at and the Passport ended up being less than $4k when I negotiated a little-for a beefier, nicer, more capable and more comfortable vehicle.

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PawPawsLilStinker@reddit

My wife loves to sit with her car idling more than almost anything and for that reason her next vehicle will be a hybrid.