Why are some Slovenians online so insufferably smug toward the rest of the Balkans?
Posted by InExtremis-@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 72 comments
This isn’t meant as anti-Slovenian bait, because obviously not all Slovenians are like this. But I genuinely notice online that some Slovenians act like they belong to some hyper-advanced Central European civilization while the rest of the Balkans are primitive tribes.
Every discussion somehow turns into: “well in Slovenia we have functioning institutions,” “we’re basically Austria,” “we’re Central European, not Balkan,” etc. And after a while it starts sounding less like confidence and more like insecurity.Because if your identity is genuinely secure, why is there such a constant need to distance yourself from the Balkans in every conversation? Why does the comparison come up so often?
Yes, Slovenia is objectively more developed economically and politically than most Balkan countries. Nobody serious denies that. But development is not proof of some uniquely superior mentality or higher civilization. Slovenia also had major structural advantages historically: geographic proximity to Western Europe, strong Habsburg influence, earlier industrialization, less destruction during the Yugoslav wars, smoother EU integration, and better starting institutions overall.
That doesn’t mean Slovenians are genetically smarter, uniquely rational, or some “superior civilization.” A huge part of development in history comes down to geography, institutions, historical timing, trade access, political stability, and luck. If Bosnia or North Macedonia had Slovenia’s exact historical and geographic circumstances, they probably wouldn’t look the same today either.
What makes some Slovenians online insufferable is not acknowledging that Slovenia is more developed. It’s the constant performative need to remind everyone that they are “different from the Balkans,” as if being associated with the region is humiliating.
Ironically, the obsession with proving you’re not Balkan feels like one of the most Balkan traits imaginable.
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
That's whole Balkan basically...
Slovenians love to think they have more in common with Austria...
Croatians (I am Croatian btw) love to think they are superior than rest of ex Yu and that everyone else is inferior...
Serbians think whole region originated from them and that everyone was at some point Serbian, hence, no other nation exists around here...
Montenegrin think they are superior than Serbians and that Serbians do not exist in Montenegro. Same thing dor Serbians in Montenegro, just vice versa...
Albanians are same as Serbians, everyrhing oeoginated from them and they love to think they have nothing in common with rest of Balkans. They love to say they have more in common with Italians...
List just goes on and on... Ofc this does not apply to everyone but big chunk of people are exactly as described above.
PickleJuiceSlush@reddit
So... Bosnians are the chill, cool guys, I knew it
Poglavnik_Majmuna01@reddit
Bosniaks also have a superiority complex given their status as the largest ethnic group in their small country.
Not to mention their frequent denial of the existence of Bosnian Croats and Serbs.
PickleJuiceSlush@reddit
Hmm I travelling in the Balkans right now (currently in Albania), and none of the Bosniaks I met ever denied Croats and Serbs existence, what do you mean? Imo they are the nicest, kindest and warmest people in the region 🤷♀️
Drama-Gloomy@reddit
This guys just making things up
BeatnologicalMNE@reddit
Bosnia is mix of all of the above. You don't want to open that can of worms at all.
LegioXI89@reddit
We def do not think everyone originated from serbians..just croatians 🙂 thank you
Realistic_City3581@reddit
Im slovenian. I fucking hate austrians, stuck up assholes.
Relative_Cicada_2487@reddit
They do have more in common with Austrians though. It’s not really a debate
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
You forgot to mention Serbians.
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
Are they really?
Mother-Astronaut8784@reddit
This comment made me laugh another day
Torrentor@reddit
There's a funny video where Zizek explains this.
amazingamy19@reddit
What is that video everyone talks about?
Torrentor@reddit
Search "zizek balkan" on YT
PVanchurov@reddit
zoranss7512@reddit
I'm Serbian and i don't like the "balkans" why would they? Being grouped with Albanians and Turks, c'mon Mane!
Forward-Rub-8187@reddit
Maybe because they have right to be proud of their country and history?
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
I don’t disagree with that at all, people absolutely have the right to be proud of their country and history.
That wasn’t really what I was questioning. My point was more about when that pride turns into framing other nearby regions as inherently “less” or constantly needing to be distanced from.
Pride is fine. It’s the “we are better because we are not that” angle that tends to make discussions turn weird.
Forward-Rub-8187@reddit
They are also not Balkan, they stand out a lot from other Balkans
low-sikeliot-9062@reddit
Slovenians are well known wannabe Austrians. Stockholm syndrome perhaps
ModeAble9185@reddit
Man, i met a slovenian back in the day in London and the guy was so smug he probably inhaled his own farts. When i told him that i didnt know that Slovakia was a different country from Slovenia, and I couldnt even locate any of the two on a map, he looked at me like i was the son of satan. I was surprised he didnt know how irrelevant his country is.
PasicT@reddit
Oh trust me, he knows how irrelevant his country is.
PasicT@reddit
No different than other Balkan people online, sadly.
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
I mean as a non Slovene, it's literally true. Slovenia is not a Balkan nation and is more similar to Austria, Czechia etc. than some countries deep down in the Balkans like Bulgaria or Albania. I mean they are easily way more developed than any Balkan country, and even Italy or Austria in some aspects. They might be smug assholes about it, but they are not wrong.
And being associated with the Balkan region IS humiliating, I mean what is the first thing outsiders think off when they hear the word "Balkans"? War, ethnic conflicts, ultranationalism, poverty, cheap booze, you name it.
Whole-O@reddit
I think the main reason is that they had a lot of immigrants from former Yugoslavia who never considered becoming Slovenian seriously, which I think makes them generalize and react emotionally like that.
I don't approve of that nor do I think it's rational, if anything it ironically makes them unequivocally Balkanic, but as a someone from Zagreb I admit I feel similar emotions at times towards newcomers who also ridicule local culture, language and try to impose their own ways of doing things.
Early-Show2886@reddit
Slovenians say they do not belong to the Balkans. All the Slovenians I have met—regardless of whether they knew one another—said the same thing. They say the Balkans begin at Niš in Serbia.
TheFennecFx@reddit
Not sure why someone will be proud to be part of the Austro-Hungarian cultural sphere, tbf.
Relative_Cicada_2487@reddit
Probably because it prevented them from becoming slaves to the turban. The Habsburgs generally treated Slovenes well.
Early-Show2886@reddit
This has to do with the past. I think that many people in the former Austro-Hungarian Monarchy looked down on the regions that once belonged to the Ottoman Empire.
Stverghame@reddit
Why Niš specifically?
Content-Departure-77@reddit
Maybe not in Niš... But somewhere around Jagodina.
Early-Show2886@reddit
I asked them that very thing, and the answer you often get is that you should go there yourself—then you’ll understand why. They also often get annoyed if you claim the opposite; they’ll tell you that you shouldn’t compare Slovenia with the rest of the former Yugoslavia.
SadVariation1533@reddit
Came across this post as a non Balkan. People nowadays don’t want to claim their own ethnicities and wanna be as white as possible. That’s all you need to know
Poglavnik_Majmuna01@reddit
It is because them being labelled as Balkan by other nations is dismissive of their culture and history.
This is because when Serbs, Bosnians and other nations group you with them as being “Balkan”,
they absolutely never acknowledge your own unique culture and instead try to impose their own culture onto you with a great sense of entitlement.
Their view is essentially, “well if it’s part of our culture then it also must be part of your culture because we are all Balkan”.
A key example of this “cultural bullying” occurs in their eastern neighbour.
Croatia gets absolutely slandered by the Serbs and the Bosnians for having “shit food” because we can’t make burek and cevapi despite neither of these dishes even being a part of the Croatian cuisine. You never see a Croat slandering the Bosnian cuisine for being unable to make a Croatian dish, yet the Serbs and the Bosnians feel entitled to critique Croatia for not having the same culture as them.
Antique_Birthday6380@reddit
I’m just a casual observer, and when i went into r/slovenia, i’ve never seen a more toxic sub. I don’t know why, but everyone there seems irritated for everything, even more than the usual Redditor standards they’re known for lol
horridpersona@reddit
They take everything very seriously, but at the same time this is one of the reasons why institutions and pretty much everything (with the rare rail transport exception) functions well here. They dont fuck around much, makes them a bit boring but at least the country is flawless. Other countries are too easy going and take matters lightly, which while easier, it can have a side effect of general kurobolie.
The animosity towards bivša juga annoys me too though.They are very judgemental for arbitrary reasons.
StunningComment6064@reddit
I had never heard that part about us being “literally Austria.” But I need to be honest: many people here do look down on anyone south of our border. People whose last names end in “-ić” (as well as Albanians) are often discriminated against, although this usually doesn’t apply to successful athletes such as Luka Dončić, Goran Dragić, or Novak Novaković.
Personally, I’m glad Slovenia inherited some Balkan aspects in modern-day society: coffee culture with friends, talking to and greeting your neighbors, and maintaining warm family relationships. I’m grateful we didn’t inherit the colder Germanic mentality entirely. Still, many of my fellow countrymen do have a superiority complex because Slovenia is considered more advanced and developed.
Actually, Slavoj Žižek describes our mentality and way of thinking very well in his famous video about the geographical boundary between the Balkans and Central Europe.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
You mean mitteleuropa.
Big-Waltz5204@reddit
My opinion that it has to do with immigration and being culturally closer to more "civilized" central European mindset. Slovenian and Balkan cultures are kinda opposites really. Slovenian mindset is more measured and pulled back while Balkans are more emotional pedal-to-the-metal kinda people. And when you have influx of immigrants from ex-Yu into Slovenian towns and cities it creates tension and misunderstanding.
Lot of people in Slovenia do not particulary like Balkan immigrants and even me as someone who is born in Slovenia but child of immigrant parents, have to deal with lot of suspicious looks and even prejudice. Slovenia is small country and people are more guarded when it comes to their culture. And specially immigrants from other former Yugoslav countries don't feel like they need to integrate and it creates resentment amongst native population. I feel like it was less of an issue when I was a kid then now because of politics and right wing populism taking over everywhere because of internet. I'm not taking sides, just explaining different perspectives.
This "smugness and dislike" that some people experience coming here, right or wrong, is not out of nowhere. In capital Ljubljana, I'd say at least a quarter of people are from other ex-Yu republics and as you can imagine it creates a divide.
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
I get what you’re saying about lived experience, immigration, and how social tension can build in small countries that part is real and worth acknowledging.
But I don’t really agree with the framing of “civilized Central European mindset vs emotional Balkan mindset.” That kind of generalization is exactly what tends to fuel the misunderstandings on both sides, because it turns cultural differences into value judgments.
Also, immigration tensions and online “we’re not Balkan” discourse aren’t the same thing, even if they sometimes overlap in people’s attitudes. My post was aimed more at the online identity framing than at real-world integration issues or individual experiences.
Big-Waltz5204@reddit
Yeah agree, for good part it's just human tribalism.
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
Yeah, I think “tribalism” explains part of it in a broad sense but it can get a bit too vague as an explanation.
My point was more about how those identity differences get framed online, especially when they turn into superiority comparisons.
Business-Map9514@reddit
Have you seen their country? They have all the reasons :)
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
I never denied Slovenia is more developed than most Balkan countries.
My point wasn’t about development at all, it was about the tendency to turn that into “therefore we are better people/not like those others,” which is what I was calling out.
Having a nicer country doesn’t justify dismissive framing of your neighbors.
SoulEkko@reddit
I barely see any Slovenes around the web to begin with, and most interactions have been on a civilized level, so no clue about this "issue". But even if that were the case, they're entitled to their opinion. If, for the sake of example, your next-door neighbor thinks ill of you why would you care? Does it really matter?
Since when have opinions become benchmark, or statistics?
Similar-Speech2371@reddit
I think Slovenia is a borderland identity, too Balkan for the Austrians and too Austria for the Yugos. As a person from Northern Italy I know something about it, in either-or scenarios the borderland identities are not faring very well and some also strong reactions about it (forcing top down an identity) are quite normal. Long story short: Slovenia can be Balkan as well as central European, depending on the way u look at it. Also never forget that labelling the identity that you happily feel you belong to to other people is never a smart move, so expect someone could possibly get pissed about it
Observe_Report_@reddit
I get that it could be irritating, but Slovenia was, and still is, the more developed part of the former Yugoslavia. I’m a slowly melting – assimilating Albanian-American, and even I know that. Here in the states, where I live, I have not come across any Slovenians, but based on my experience, Croatians fit the description of this post more so, I’ve actually had better interactions with Serbians vs. Croatians over my lifetime. Our ex neighbors were Croatian, an insufferable experience for close to 15 years. Inferiority complex has nothing to do with my experience, by the way, I aim for objectivity as much as possible.
Primary_Reserve_2815@reddit
The Balkans is a disaster .beautiful culture..but very judgemental,prejudice and racist ..meanwhile the rest of Europe views them as lesser then and inferior..Their too busy comparing and judging each other when they should unite
JRJenss@reddit
Well, it's not just them. Entire Balkans is basically a tapestry for narcissism of small differences - we over here are so totally different from those over there. Not saying we're better, but I mean...we kinda are. This is luckily way more present online than irl.
lfldld8282idnd@reddit
Not sure if its just Slovenians. Balkan posters on reddit in general seem to have inferiority complexes. Ive seen Albanians talk about how they have nothing in common with everyone else and how Italians are their brothers. Greeks denying the Balkan label and how western european they are (they arent but 2westerneurope4u is filled with greeks always begging for validation). Turks arent quite smug but too many of them play the court jester to gain sympathy points.
TL:DR inferiority complex masked as superiority complex
Early-Show2886@reddit
yea, exactly But it is precisely Albanians, Greeks, and Turks from Turkey who post the most in this sub.
NaturalReputation875@reddit
The Greeks birthed western civilization. Catch up on a history book.
Foreign-Collar8845@reddit
I know Slovenia is a country, common who ever saw a Slovenian in real life?
dabears91@reddit
Because we believe by differentiating us and our history from the Balkans. Westoids will see us in a better light….
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
Trying to distance ourselves from the Balkans just to gain approval from Westerners says more about insecurity than identity. The Balkans are diverse, historically rich, and part of European history whether outsiders stereotype them or not. Respect doesn’t come from denying connections it comes from understanding and representing them honestly.
Prudent-Werewolf3712@reddit
Preach!
Schmutzschutzigen@reddit
Alpine Serbs.
smuxy@reddit
Why are you so insecure?
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
I’m not really talking about myself here, so “insecure” doesn’t really apply.
I’m critiquing a pattern in online behavior and identity framing specifically how some discussions turn into “we’re better because we’re not X,” which tends to show up in a lot of regional debates, not just this one.
Substratas@reddit
Yupp, it’s definitely inferiority complex. Slovenians generally seem pretty chill to me.
Substratas@reddit
They aren’t. It’s just your insecurity because you look up to them & their dismissal cuts deeper.
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
That’s a pretty lazy psychologization tbh. You can criticize a superiority complex without secretly “wanting to be them.” By that logic, nobody could ever criticize elitist behavior unless they were jealous.
I already acknowledged Slovenia is more developed than most Balkan countries. My point was specifically about the performative distancing and “we’re not like those Balkans” attitude some people online have. That’s an observation not wounded admiration.
Kmag_supporter@reddit
Are they Balkan? I thought they were Central Europe.
_BREVC_@reddit
Because people insist on calling them “the Balkans” even though all the aspects you too have clearly outlined here make them clearly not-that? Maybe?
InExtremis-@reddit (OP)
But that’s kind of my point “the Balkans” isn’t some biological category where one functioning bureaucracy suddenly disqualifies you. Regions are historical and cultural constructs, and Slovenia has long been associated with the Balkans politically, geographically, and historically whether people like the label or not.
Also, having stronger institutions or closer ties to Central Europe doesn’t magically erase Balkan influences. Plenty of regions overlap identities. The issue isn’t identifying as Central European it’s treating “Balkan” like an insult that must constantly be escaped from.
And obviously I don’t get to decide how Slovenians identify themselves. If many genuinely feel more Central European, that’s completely their right. I’m just criticizing the superiority complex some people online attach to that identity, not the identity itself.
BamBumKiofte23@reddit
This reads like someone fed r/balkans_irl memes to NotebookLM and asked it about Slovenians.
medved76@reddit
“Rest of Balkans.” You forgot that Slovenia isn’t Balkans.
No-Sandwich2225@reddit
I know right? Too much talk for such a tiny country that barely has anything.
Stverghame@reddit
Some of them are quite obnoxious on TikTok and Instagram writing essays on every Balkan post even when it is not related to them. Essays about how they are not Balkan. You have quite of those on this sub as well.
Grouchy-Ranger9081@reddit
Havent met one Slivenia sayi g we have functioning institutions.
But we are not balkan. We are definetely tur i g balkan, but historically we are not balkan.
Ujemegaz@reddit