Why do new cars get so much hate?
Posted by Darcynator1780@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 287 comments
I didn’t grow up with parents who could hand me down a car or teach me how to rebuild an engine in the driveway. I make decent money now, so yeah, I’m gonna buy a new truck with a warranty and coverage and enjoy my life a little.
What’s wild is how personally offended people on the internet get about somebody else’s truck payment. Every post about a new car turns into dudes acting like you committed a moral failure for not driving a 2004 Corolla with 280k miles.
If you like old cheap cars, cool. If you like fixing your own stuff, cool. But some of us would rather spend money on reliability and convenience instead of gambling on Facebook Marketplace every 8 months.
I just don’t get why so many people are emotionally invested in another grown man’s monthly payment.
Billz3bub666@reddit
Because with inflation new cars cost too much. With devaluation, you are upside down within the first month of ownership. Quality is simply not there anymore and all the added on AI BS makes it stupider and less reliable than a 10 year old vehicle, but if you have the money and like the smell of synthetic materials off-gassing, you do you.
MysteriousPube@reddit
Sure, you would be upside down without a down payment or rebates/discounts. Also dragging the payment out beyond 48 months is also dumb. I trade my vehicles every 2-3 years. Sometimes sooner. I get bored and want something different. My last two cars have been a year old. I got them quite a bit cheaper than a comparable new model, plus they had a longer factory certified warranty. I drive a ton of miles for my job, 30k-45k a year, but I get a monthly stipend, gas card, and 38 cents a mile reimbursement .
My wife got a brand new car in December. After x plan discount, rebates, dealer discount, we saved around 12% off msrp. We also traded in a paid off vehicle that was worth 75% of the new one.
depstunts@reddit
Yes. OP should read about the new patents that the car companies are putting in place, remote kill switches, AI cameras that will determine if you are allowed to drive the vehicle you own. All car companies are now interested in data, the car is now a vehicle (pun intended) for them to harvest data to sell. After model year 2025-2026, I won’t be buying anything.
S7alker@reddit
Consumers want self driving cars so they can relax in traffic and enjoy their addictions without worrying so their elected officials listened.
Max_Downforce@reddit
Consumers didn't ask for that. Musk started it and fsd has been a year away for about 10 years now.
S7alker@reddit
And who allows the testing? https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-agency-ease-self-driving-vehicle-deployment-hurdles-retain-reporting-rules-2025-04-24/
Adventurous_Boss8800@reddit
That’s because of the government, not automakers
mclovin_ts@reddit
Is that why Ford filed a patent for a facial scan, that “can tell if you’re under the influence or fit to drive” by using AI?
Schoolofhardknocks44@reddit
I believe they actually just pushed that through on the federal level. That the technology is now being mandated into all new vehicles
upsidedown-funnel@reddit
If you are buying used, there are dealers trying to sell you a gps package. They leave it on the car whether you pay for it or not. It’s a tracker installed behind the obd2 port. It’s just a plug and play, fairly easy to take out. You just have to know it’s there. If you finance through some of them, read the paperwork and make sure you aren’t required to keep it on.
tintinblock1@reddit
With inflation, new civics are actually cheaper than civics sold in 1999. You also get more features for a lower price. I agree about the depreciation though. It’s why I buy luxury cars a few years old for a fifth of the price and just work on them myself when they inevitably have a problem
xPofsx@reddit
Nothing is worth 1/5 its price after 3-4 years these days
Dish-Live@reddit
I think he mistyped a “fifth off the price”
tintinblock1@reddit
I purchased a D5 A8L that had a sticker of 130k for 21k a couple months ago. Not all cars go that cheap but euro luxury cars do
Dish-Live@reddit
I mean, I interpret “a few years” as like 2-4 years old, not 7-8 years old.
tintinblock1@reddit
Fair
zerovampire311@reddit
Also might have been a little hyperbolic but not far off, for certain models. Some Audis have ended up in the low 20s from 60k+ within a few years. Now it’s a crapshoot for when something will go wrong, but if you’re handy and have a garage it’s a great opportunity.
tintinblock1@reddit
I recently purchased a 19’ A8L that had a sticker of 130k for 21k. That’s what I mean by a 1/5 of the cost. German luxury cars have massive depreciation in the first couple years, and even more with 60k+ mile
Jenshark86@reddit
That’s why you buy a used car that is 5 years old with low mileage
noidea11111111@reddit
It's called reddit math
3Time4Eater3@reddit
My mechanic says the motors in older Hondas and yotas (and such) will last longer than anything that came out in the last 10yrs(ish) because of the turbos they put on everything.
seckarr@reddit
While true, your point lacks context.
If you just use "inflation" then sure, prices are as you say. However purchasing power is different.
The purchasing power of the minimum and median wage is now several times lower, and going to all time lows every day. So affortability is nonexistent unless you are rich or dumb (and go into debt for a car)
HeftyAd6216@reddit
This means the lack of affordability is equally a wage problem as it is inflation problem. If working wages kept up with costs and inflation, there would be less issues.
tintinblock1@reddit
Very true
DOULKONIS@reddit
Used Tacoma (5 years old) with 40k miles, 40k, new Tacoma with 000005 miles AND full warranty… 44k… yeah inflation ok… inflation affects used vehicles too.
Sad-Celebration-7542@reddit
“Cost too much” seems like a personal opinion. Plenty of people are buying
Billz3bub666@reddit
I mean it depends on what you're after. a new Mazda crossover is a pretty decent deal, although I loathe crossovers. I want a convertible or wagon, which nobody makes anymore, so used it is.
cryptolyme@reddit
Not exactly true. I bought my car new and 3 years old models with 30k miles are selling for the same price as new. Used market is insane
pigwona@reddit
Not to mention they record your driving habits then sell it to your insurance so that insurance can jack up your rates. No freedom in new cars. I've also seen a few instances of manufacturers not making enough spare parts and your 5 year old car could be out of commission for who knows how long until one can be found.
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
That would require government to step in. And yes governments all over the world, are mandating features that will track the drive and car…
mmspider@reddit
How do you explain a new Honda Civic for 26k with a low new car interest rate?
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
With its features and safety standards, that’s a well priced car today.
SerenityScott@reddit
It's reasonable actually. Given what Civics were going for new in 1998-2000 when I was looking a them, the CPI Inflation Calculator (googled it) says Civics are now less expensive than they were then.
Billz3bub666@reddit
Dunno. Civics have never been on my list of cars to own
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
Wife and I buy new cars. Have 3 daily drivers plus HD pickup we use to tow. We trade them in and pay off remaining costs with cash. So no loan. Keep till close to warranty expiration. Trade in/cash for its replacement.
We do also buy a few fun cars. Those we just pay cash, work hard to final price.
We have a dealer group we buy from. Represent 18 brands. We call them, talk to same sales person for 19 years and 44 new car purchases. Previous sales person, worked with her for 15 years. Current sales person, She sets up several cars for us to test drive. Make selection and we go over numbers. Pay below MSRP and no add on charges. Call bank and get cashiers check. New car, yeah.
We have a “car fund”. We simply transfer money to car fund, it’s a MMA so getting some small return.
And yeah, our cars have full leather interiors, don’t like cheap synthetic or vinyl coverings.
EvitaPuppy@reddit
Agreed. I also have to wonder about future repairs and maintenance. And, software support! Increasingly complex modules that will be obsolete in just a few years.
A car built today will be so hard to keep running in the future that it will simply be disposable.
weealex@reddit
What, you don't like having to do a firmware update every time you replace a part? And that firmware probably costs several hundred dollars?
Stedlieye@reddit
And because of DMCA, you can’t legally bypass it. You see, your car is software now, and replacing a part requires software updates, and if you try to do it yourself, that’s piracy.
That’s changing, as regular people noticed that the local repair shop couldn’t do things they used to do (and the abuses by John Deere were bad enough people noticed). Not there yet.
ZephyrStudios686@reddit
my favorite thing in the fucking world is when customers bring their car in for service and I have to sell them an update. So goddamn stupid. I charge well under what I should because I'd rather it be free.
Billz3bub666@reddit
And the computer is under the floorboard and when the sunroof or the AC leaks, you have to replace the ECU.
MortimerDongle@reddit
The price of new cars has generally increased more slowly than inflation in general. People are choosing to buy more expensive and larger cars, but if you look at a specific model it's rarely more expensive than it used to be adjusting for inflation.
JizzyMcKnobGobbler@reddit
Except people shitting on new-car buyers isn't some phenomenon that is only five years old.
I think there are two things going on. First, as car guys, we look at somebody spending, say, $50k on a new car like a fricken Murano or something and we think of all the actually awesome used/depreciated cars we could get for the same money, so we think the Murano guy is an idiot.
Second, car payments do allow people to have cars they can't really afford, so people may think you're an idiot for over-buying or putting on airs.
Now that I'm older and have more money I'm perfectly content buying new cars whereas most of my life I would have scoffed at the choices I'm now making. I don't care about a 20% depreciation hit now. I'd rather just buy exactly what I want with an easy purchase experience and the ability to choose everything exactly how I want it.
One final thing is buying a used car isn't as fun as it used to be. So many people trade their cars in versus selling privately, so the choices are limited. Plus, buying and selling cars used to be a bit of a subculture thing. You'd have to know how to navigate Autotrader and you'd need actual knowledge to know what was a good deal and what was bad.
Now since everyone has Facebook and therefore Marketplace, any clown can upload their car listing while they're taking a dump. You get a ton of people totally mispricing their vehicle and I believe it has fucked up the market. Things are priced too high and the AI will tell you if you're pricing too low. I never see screaming deals where I think, 'i gotta hop on this one!'
PackIcy2106@reddit
Some of us like to dig for decent second hand cars instead of gambling on new cars.
NurmalMan@reddit
I think you misunderstand whats happening here. A lot of newer cars are overpriced garbage that take advantage of the fact people simply don't care and don't know anything about cars. They are less reliable, and more expensive to fix. You can buy them if you want and can afford it, no one is going to stop you.
Also this "But some of us would rather spend money on reliability and convenience instead of gambling on Facebook Marketplace every 8 months" , that's just the complete wrong way to look at it, and you shouldn't be on this subreddit if that's how you think of things.
WeinerBarf420@reddit
Yeah a lot of the "I don't want to gamble on used cars" crowd is buying shit like jeep wagoneers
637_649@reddit
I think it's another of many generational changes. I absolutely hate new vehicles, and quite a bit of my business runs on servicing new our newer vehicles.
I don't have any animosity towards their owners though.
Part of my hate with new vehicles does have to do with people like you though, in a way.... That is to say, people who didn't grow up in the culture of learning the machines that automobiles one were. People who didn't grow up that way are much easier for the automotive marketing mechanisms at play, to assimilate into the thinking that everything new is better, that the warranty means reliability, that anything without modern built-in safety equals "unsafe," and with each passing year, the normalization of things like selling your driving information & habits, and automotive features being something people should pay subscriptions for. New vehicle buyers seem to be more ok with the idea that something they purchased and "own" is not really owned by them, just because they purchased it, own it, and hold the title to it.
I'm not saying that all of the above necessarily applies to you, but it applies to enough people that the automotive industry has received no message from the market, that consumers are unwilling to put up with their products.
IMO, we're now solidly in a modern malaise-era of automotive manufacturing.
The 70's malaise era was with slow vehicles, due to problems with anti-pollution technology and sometimes poor build quality.
The new malaise era is with vehicles that have no expectation to last a couple decades of use, built-in obsolescence, constant recalls, constant electronic glitches, screens everywhere that fail, and the "right to repair" fight that has gone on for years
MagillaGorillasHat@reddit
It's because for the price of a brand new vehicle, you can get a better vehicle that is slightly used.
Quick rough example: For the price of a brand new, bare bones, base model CX5 you could get a 3 year old, one owner, CPO (7 year, 100,000 mile power train warranty) top level trim CX5.
You can just get more car for the money.
rjlawrencejr@reddit
Why worry about them? The criticism of others is meaningless. It is only a problem if you’re complaining about the payment.
unurbane@reddit
Here’s my little take: an old key needs an ignition, and is a piece of a ‘circuit’ usually.
The ‘new’ version of that is a wireless key fob. Sounds simple enough. Keyless entry and Start. But it has a lot: a dedicated ECU near the firewall acting as master control, several other ECU’s acting as ‘zones’ of detection where the auto can detect where the key is. This can be the driver seat, the passenger seat, outside the vehicle and trunk for example. So there are 4-7 ECUs dedicated to locking and starting the vehicle. That is a lot of complexity to do the same job as a key.
Glittering_Jicama175@reddit
Because it shows an irresponsibility, responsible people don’t buy things they can’t afford.
You should pay cash for things that depreciate and finance things that appreciate.
Before you finance a car, look at the loan and calculate the amount of interest you will be paying for the life of the loan. Not only that, consider that extra insurance you will be paying to drive a new car.
The money you would save, if you saved it, would be a good step forward toward a down payment on a piece of property.
We all have choice to make.
theeaggressor@reddit
I think the issue is new cars actually aren’t reliable, maybe convenient if you have money?
Even with money you could research cars that are known to be reliable & grab one of those to fix up… but to each their own
Strict_Tiger_4681@reddit
Biometrics then car manufacturers, cell your data to anyone and everything including insurances
mclovin_ts@reddit
Because 90% of people buy a big ass truck and don’t do any truck shit with it. Just buying a depreciating asset for the hell of it.
WeinerBarf420@reddit
Because people complaining about cost of living will end up paying 40-50 thousand dollars on a 30 thousand dollar car. If you're financially sound then buy what you like but don't complain about how hard it is to live if you drop tens of thousands of dollars on a depreciating asset.
undefined_variable_0@reddit
Because the vast majority of people can’t actually afford them without decimating their finances. Can’t say if that’s the case for you since you didn’t provide any details besides “make decent money” and “buying new truck”.
ZergvProtoss@reddit
To answer your question: It's because there are a lot of poor people on reddit. They are pissed that life sucks and they can't afford food, housing, health care, etc. So they make up stories about how "stupid" it is to buy new cars.
I only buy new. I love getting my cars customized exactly the way I want. I love spending $7K on colored stitching on the seats and dash. Because that's what I want!
CLEcoder4life@reddit
The reason people get that way is because those same people who get $800 truck payments are often times the same ones asking a year later what they can do to fix their budget because they cant afford XYZ and now they are upside down on the truck etc etc. When the entire time they had 0 functional reason for a truck/suv/etc that expensive and could of bought a new sedan for half the price and been just fine. If you can afford a new vehicle and the payment no one cares have at it. But thats often times not the case.
sprchrgddc5@reddit
Most of these fuckin comments are proving OP right. Ragging on big trucks, high payments, etc. when OP didn’t mention any of that outside buying a new over used.
CLEcoder4life@reddit
He did mention buying a new truck and buying a truck when you dont need it is idiotic financially speaking unless you make REAL good money. Vehicles are depreciating assets. If a car at 35k will perform the necessary function just as well as a 65k truck. You basically are flushing 30k down the toilet for some macho status symbol. If ya got big bucks. Go ahead. But 90% of the population right now dont have that kind of cash to blow. Sounds more like OP is upset people are telling him a truck is a dumb idea and OP is taking it personally.
sprchrgddc5@reddit
I also didn’t even mean to respond to you initially, not sure how that ended up happening lol but I don’t wholly disagree with you.
sprchrgddc5@reddit
Who cares? People buy a Corvette and never track it, flushing another macho status symbol down the drain as well but for some reason trucks get front loaded on the hate train.
OP is specifically talking about new over used. I buy used cars but I really don’t give a shit if another dude wants to throw their money at a new car or truck.
jango-lionheart@reddit
OP said “truck payment.”
Happy-Deal-1888@reddit
It’s jealousy partly. It’s this idiotic Dave Ramsey financial bullshit. But it’s also the insane prices of new vehicles
jrileyy229@reddit
What is insane about the prices? Ten years ago a base model civic was 19k. Now it's 25k. That's how inflation works.
Outside of vehicles, most people's other expensive investment is a house. What do houses require... A bunch of wood. Wood has doubled in the last ten years.
MortimerDongle@reddit
Right. People are choosing to buy more expensive cars, but the price of specific models has generally increased less than inflation.
Significant_Gear_335@reddit
I’m so happy to see this get brought up. We are getting more car for less money relative to inflation. The issue is that wages have not matched inflation at all, so the prices seem insane, even if they aren’t.
chickenCabbage@reddit
Wages grew faster than inflation.
In 2014 average wage was 43k/y, in 2024 it was 69k/y, while if it only matched inflation rates it would've been 57k. 69k in 2024 was equivalent to 52k in 2014. So wages, on average, grew faster than inflation.
lmk if I calculated something wrong.
Sources:
(1) Average wages
(2) Inflation calculator
Significant_Gear_335@reddit
You are talking averages. There is an inherent issue with using averages. They are far less resistant to outliers and skew. Essentially, a few insanely rich people will pull and average far higher than it should be. Average wages may be in the mid to high 60k range, but median is in the low to mid 40k range. We have seen an uptick in the median getting closer to the average, so we can be hopeful, but we still are behind the 90s where the median used to be around 70 percent of the average.
It is true that wages, even the median, have outpaced inflation. My original comment was flawed for using the term inflation too generally. It’s not entirely about inflation, as that doesn’t cover everything. Luxury and consumer goods are cheaper than ever and have stayed there new cars included. What is missing is that essential items like housing, healthcare, education, and energy have massively outpaced wages for years. This means that less and less of people’s earnings are available for those cheaper non-essential items.
Sources:
Median Incomes
Figure 1, Essential Goods
chickenCabbage@reddit
Ah, absolutely. I'm not familiar with essential goods prices. Do you know what the drivers are that cause them to go up faster than inflation?
newtonreddits@reddit
How is it financial bullshit? New cars lose a ton of value.
Impressive_Use3173@reddit
This is always the case with new cars. So from a financial point it is better to buy the 287k miles Corolla, but most people will not want to do that.
newtonreddits@reddit
Your choices in car buying isn't limited to new or 287k Corolla. 20k mi cars exist.
chickenCabbage@reddit
You don't need to buy a 300k mike corolla either. You can always find an almost-new used car, and often still for very cheap. I'm not in the US, but I'm the 3rd owner of my car and I bought it at 100k km. 1st owner sold it after 40k because she wanted a new car, 2nd owner sold it to buy an off-roader. That's two sales while the warranty was still honored.
(Assuming my car sucks and makes it only to 200k km, I still bought it at a quarter of the new price and I get half of the usable lifespan - it's a 50% off deal. Any longer that I can keep it running and it becomes even better of a deal)
FreidasBoss@reddit
Looking at a car purchase as a long-term financial investment is worthless and impractical. It’s a consumable, just like a phone, or computer, or any other appliance. Not every purchase, regardless of cost, needs to be valued against the performance of the same dollar amount invested in the stock market. People can make purchases that are financially sound without having to always consider alternative investments options.
If OP has the wherewithal to buy a new truck, then who cares?
newtonreddits@reddit
I'm not sure why you're using the term investment. Nobody is expecting their car to appreciate unless they're buying an F40 so investment Us irrelevant here. Minimizing financial loss isn't bullshit advice. There's nothing wrong with buying a new car if it's well within your finances. And also avoiding buying a new car isn't bullshit advice. Not mutually exclusive.
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
This, wife and I buy new cars. We don’t care about depreciation. We trade in/pay cash for remainder. Haven’t had a car loan since 1990s and bought over 60 new cars since then. We save and then buy…
But I understand those that need a car and use financing. And I understand for overall value, buying used can be a better deal. Just make sure you get a proper mechanics review before buying. Get caught up on any missed maintenance/replacement of parts. And have a good quality mechanic you trust, when buying used.
Or buy new, have warranty. And replace once warranty expires. What I do…
Happy-Deal-1888@reddit
So does new food. Completely worthless after it’s used
physician_throwaway@reddit
I've legit read so many posts calling people idiots for financing vehicles.
NHDraven@reddit
Dave Ramsey is the first person to say "Buy new" or "Spend money" when it makes sense on paper. The issue is you have people who make 40k a year living paycheck to paycheck because they have spent the paycheck down to the last dime every month (or beyond).
I personally feel Ramsey is too financially conservative, but a lot of people need to be told how to live, and if more people followed his advice, they'd be far more financially secure than they are today.
Adventurous_Boat_632@reddit
Every other person will either be too conservative or too aggressive for your taste, the chance of absolute agreement is zero.
Maybe Dave puts on an act of being over conservative, knowing that people will not take him as far as he tells them to go.
frowniecloud@reddit
I can confidently say that I am not jealous of anyone driving a giant child killer pickup truck or SUV
HenryLoggins@reddit
I don’t think it’s a new car I get the hate… It’s more so that haves vs. the have nots. You know the same sort of thing when people say, “must be nice to have that sort of stuff” the same ones that don’t see how hard you worked to get the things you own, but get mad at you because you own things that they don’t.
I remember as a teenager going to car shows, and scoffing at the expensive cars, commenting - oh look it’s a six figure club that showed up, and my friends and I would laugh, and go back to drive our clapped out shit boxes home. “ I’d rather turn a wrench than throw my purse at it.” 😂
Now that I’m older, I can turn a wrench if I feel like it, or I could throw my purse at it if I don’t feel like it. It’s nice to have options after busting my ass, and owning my own business for the past 30 years.
Now I will change the oil in my six figure truck, just because I enjoy doing it. But I’m not rebuilding old. Clapped out shit boxes anymore - because the time away from my office, costs me more money than it does just to throw my purse at something new.
Just my .02
Vanman04@reddit
New cars don't get hate the financial reality of them does.
You are instantly upside down the second you drive off the lot. That's just a bad financial decision.
You can tell yourself you can afford it all you want it doesn't change the financial reality of the decision.
27803@reddit
New cars instantly lose their value once you drive them off the lot and are just bad uses of spending your money vs a 3-4 yr old used car that someone already took the depreciation hit on.
Now on top of that inflations has so screwed up the market take your truck which is now $100k should have been at most $50k that the prices are just indefensible
sodapressingimdiying@reddit
New cars cost too much for how they are made. Cybertruck is a perfect example of what’s wrong w the car market
jtj5002@reddit
Yea that's not really what you are paying for these days.
jckipps@reddit
Particularly when you hear stories of those warranty repairs not working out. Vehicles parked for six months waiting on a tech to fix it, no warranty-replacement engines available, etc. Nothing about a new car sale from a dealer gives me fuzzy feelings of reliability and convenience.
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
What percentage of new cars have those issues? .0001%\~.0003%? A very small percentage.
Now, I have had to wait in parts available under warranty. Dealer simply provided wife a loaner. Sorta mad as car was lower trim. But still had access to a car while warranty work was performed over 7 weeks.
MarsupialNo1278@reddit
Honestly doubt the percentage that low. Everyone i know with ford's have issue fairly quickly. Haven't heard anything about Honda (people i know that buy new tend to buy those two brand)
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
I know several that have Ford recalls. Wait till part comes in and get it serviced in 1 day. Lots of pickup owners doing that now. My dad did that with his 2 ford pickups. 1 on a Thursday and other next week on Wednesday. Sat around dealer talking to sales staff. He’s 82 and always looking to talking with new people.
MarsupialNo1278@reddit
My fault i misread what you said. I thought you was talking about cars breaking in general. But ya from my expirence (used to work at a Lexus dealership) car get service immediately unless the issue really huge.
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
Yes. Unfortunately, many of those long wait issues are recalls. Have to wait for parts and then go in.
Was glad to read that women who’s SUV was at Mercedes dealership for 6 months, got restitution…
jules083@reddit
Way more than that.
A friend just bought a new Chevy with a Duramax. It's in and out of the shop regularly. I think it's a 2024, has about 60k miles on it. We were just talking about it a few weeks ago, all 3 of the big diesel pickups have similar problems and he doesn't have a clue what he could buy to replace it except for finding something older and well cared for.
InternationalBite690@reddit
The assumption that new means reliable is staggering. That assumption is why Kia and Hyundai and even Nissan can still sell cars in the USA. With the world’s knowledge in your hands most people do little research on a car beyond what new useless technology did they cram in this overpriced pile. I’m a guy who doesn’t mind fixing my car when it breaks. I never went to school for it and I will almost certainly have to buy a tool for every part I replace but I have forums and YouTube to walk me through literally any repair for any vehicle. Flash forward 10 years I now buy cars and trucks with blown motors or transmissions for almost nothing, rebuild and replace and I now have a reliable vehicle. I can afford a new car but why? To impress the people on the road or my neighbors? What if I think today’s new cars are garbage and unreliable compared to cars from 20 years ago? That’s when cars peaked. I know everyone is saying what about all the money you waste constantly fixing that old shitbox. Let’s do some math real quick . My current vehicle is a 2005 Tahoe I paid $1600 for because the air didn’t work and it needed a transmission and the interior was filthy. I bought a rebuilt transmission for $750 and installed it, replaced a leaking ac hose for $48 and paid a buddy at a shop $100 to fill my ac up. That was 110k miles ago and I’ve only done basic maintenance since. This truck cost me nothing and its value is 7-8k. That new $50k car depreciation is at least that just driving it off the lot. I’d rather have a nice vacation with the wife and drive cheap cars that are still fun and are super reliable.
Salty_Insurance_686@reddit
I just bought a lightly used 2024 Chevy suburban for a lot of money! And I just changed the oil on that same light we used 2024 Chevy suburban that is worth a lot of money
Realistic-Table9398@reddit
Because people who pay $1k per month for 72 months for a fucking f150 reinforce the dealers mindset to push higher interest rates and fuck over people who can't afford those rates, leading to them having to buy used. Ignorance is bliss for higher income earners
mikebunchkin3727@reddit
Because the people who got the shit ones, complain the most. Cars built in the 21st century are all far more reliable than their counterparts. Cars regularly make it to 200K miles with regular maintenance
yeeting_my_meat69@reddit
Newer cars tend to be more complicated and intimidating to work on yourself.
Manufacturers are moving away from dials, buttons, and nobs in favor of touch screens, haptic controls, and digital displays, which upsets purists.
Burying the ability to disable key safety features like traction and stability control behind several layers of touch screen menus rather than just having a button like older cars.
The idea of eating 5 figures of depreciation with a year or 2 is very hard to stomach for most people, even if it comes with a warranty.
jules083@reddit
My 2011 Ford Fiesta has no way to disable the traction control. I hate it.
gringo--star@reddit
I think it's more about the industry There is such a strong campaign to pull people into a never ending leasing scheme.
110percent_canadian@reddit
New cars cost way to much and the reliability is often inferior to their offerings of yesteryear.
For me it makes more financial sense to own a 15 year old car & a 45 year old project car then a new truck.
GlobalTapeHead@reddit
Because if you need to make payments you can’t really afford the car. Car loans are what keep people trapped in the middle class.
Daveit4later@reddit
Check back in a year or 2 when you are drowning from the costs of your $800 a month payment+insurance+gas.
Zer0Tzu@reddit
Reliability mainly. New cars feel like they cough up an error here and there, whereas an older model wouldnt do it because of the lack of tech.
Goes without saying that the old piece of rusty car has its own upcoming issues.
somethingdouchey@reddit
Like so many other things theyre being designed to track your movements and collect your personal data. Fuck that.
Effective-Sail-1225@reddit
People just need to mind their own business. Don't hate on anyone else. Thats all. Be happy with your own world. Make your small world a happy place to live for you, and let everyone else do the same. Unless, of course, if everyone else is a piece of shit. Then fuck em.
LessRequirement3065@reddit
Cars in my childhood didnt last 100k miles. There is more stuff to tear up but when you buy new you know how it was driven and maintained. There's usually a lower interest rate which often makes it a better value if you keep it for the long-term.
mrdungbeetle@reddit
Reddit culture is to find problems with everything especially anyone who has more money than them, while simultaneously wishing they had as much money and the same car.
Most people in the real world don't give a crap.
Buy your new car and enjoy it!
YozaSkywalker@reddit
That's simply not true lol just about every car enthusiast would agree that cars in general suck now.
Boring-Source2395@reddit
That’s not true people are complaining about cares across the board. This includes car reviewers and enthusiasts.
This isn’t just some edgy Reddit thing.
mrdungbeetle@reddit
I mean, people are complaining about new cars (myself included) for not having more affordable models, having the soul sucked out of them, etc.. but OP Is talking about the judgement of people who buy them.
ilikestuff1231234@reddit
Plenty of people hate on shit they can’t afford.
YozaSkywalker@reddit
You had to be there, cars now are pieces of disposable technology like cell phones are. Plastic engine internals, no physical switchgear, extremely expensive to repair (touchscreen dashboards are not gonna age well).
My '12 M3 and 07 Z4M still drive like new cars and they were (mostly) built to last more than 20 years
PomegranatePlus6526@reddit
Newer cars are too complex. So if you have old school guys like me who grew up repairing your own car it’s ridiculous how complex they are. Let me give you an example. My wife drives a 2022 Chevy Malibu. She kept getting the shift to park error so common in GM’s. Finally it got to the point where it was a gamble whether it would shut the car off. So after some google foo I figured out there is a microswitch that the shifter actuates. The bar that sticks out from the microswitch becomes deformed over time. Mind you her car only has 30k miles. Back in the day the a parking brake consisted of a handle or pedal attached to a cable. Very simple. Well upon taking her car apart to fix the shift to park problem I accidentally broke a wire in the connector for the parking brake. So the parking brake engaged and the car couldn’t be driven. It took me a few hours to figure out what happened. I was able to repair it, but literally just one shitty 22 gauge wire in the car loses connection and BAM car is non operable. Terrible design and totally unnecessary. Literally there is a parking brake module for her car. So that’s why.
bmxracers@reddit
Heck with everyone trying to spend your money on Reddit. Screw em. If you can swing it and want it, buy one. The key is, are your ducks in a row for a 800-1000 payment. If that’s no big deal and you’re saving at a decent rate, go buy your truck.
New autos have ALWAYS been a terrible place to put your money. This isn’t some new thing Reddit has discovered. Way I look at it is I love driving and I love cars so I don’t mind spending.
Rattlingplates@reddit
All the time laser you get the more you despise change generally.
Metaldoorknob@reddit
Wait till your transmission blows up at 40k and your warranty claim gets denied. You'll be singing a different tune :)
Dano558@reddit
I’ve bought both new and used. I’ll take new over used if it makes sense for the vehicle I want.
Warranties and new tech are a big selling point for me.
Plus, if I plan on keeping the vehicle for 5 years or more then I don’t care about depreciation.
unknown_anonymous81@reddit
I bought a new car 15 years ago. After 180,000 miles the engine went out.
I have my eyes on a Honda Accord Hybrid Hatchback. That would more than double my gas mileage from my previous SUV.
It seems quality used sub 2 years old and less than 30,000 miles is $25,000 to $28,000. It feels like it is worth it to just bite the bullet and buy new.
A previous gen 2021 to 2023 with sub 60,000 miles is $21,000 to $24,000.
If I plan on keeping the car for another 10 to 15 years old is it better to just buy new at $33,000?
I was researching this and used Toyotas and Hondas are priced so high used.
15 to 20 years ago the depreciation drop was so high after just a few thousand miles people encouraged buying used.
ShrekTwoOnVHS@reddit
Because they cost too much for how unreliable and cheaply they are built.
cleric3648@reddit
A large part of it is thinking “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” A new car might not work for me, but that doesn’t mean I should hate you getting a new one.
I prefer the slightly used route myself. Let someone else eat the depreciation, I’ll swoop in and get the lease return that’s in damn near new condition. I still get some of the warranty and anything extra is just that, extra.
NuclearHateLizard@reddit
Interesting you compare buying used vehicles to gambling. Because with new vehicles the house wins and you get screwed
Nervous_Hurry_9920@reddit
It's almost like... There should be some sort of middle ground..... Like certified pre-owned with warrantly for example.
Buying a brand new car is about as bad as it gets for depreciation and is a liability not an asset
Jenshark86@reddit
If you like paying a car loan at 8% interest for 5 years, go for it.
Hefty-Reflection-756@reddit
Its beacause some people are paying more for cars than their houses, and prioritizing the wrong things. A nice truck these days can easily cost nearly 100k.
Darcynator1780@reddit (OP)
What houses are 100k?
Hefty-Reflection-756@reddit
Im not saying the house is 100k. People are buying 100k cars with a payment of 1500 or more, and then living in a run down apartment.
Darcynator1780@reddit (OP)
What if they would rather live in an apartment lol
Hefty-Reflection-756@reddit
You asked the question where the hate comes from. Im telling you.
Accept it or not thats up to you.
regassert6@reddit
In 2019, the value proposition of a 3 year old off lease vehicle was much better than a comparable new car.
Since COVID, even with the increase in new prices, used prices are so out of whack and inflated, that the value proposition is much lower and it is not nearly the "sin" financially that it used to be.
gearabuser@reddit
this man couldn't figure out how to change his tire and came here to tell at car guys
ClickKlockTickTock@reddit
Its not the monthly payment, it's just people realizing how fucked the system is and being upset that some folks can afford $900/mo car payments while they're struggling to repair their paid off car that costs $100/mo.
To those folks (myself included) that sounds like a huge waste of money and puts into perspective just how fucked we are and everytime I hear these new car payments, I cannot fathom doing them. I could do so much more with that extra $800 that would improve my quality of life.
Also, Ive had 2 decade old cars my entire life. A new used car every 8 months is entirely inaccurate and I've only ever met one person who does that and its because they somehow total their car every 8 months.
Its going to be cheaper to replace engines and transmissions than buying a new vehicle.
Do what you will with your money, but the reaction from people about your payment that you boast about online is entirely warranted. That money could pull a lot of us out of poverty all on its own, and slaps a lot of awake.
Also complaining about people complaining is ironic af.
Adamas_Moustache86@reddit
A lot of people don't realize that paying $2k a year to maintain a 15 year old vehicle is actually a killer fucking deal.
Financial-Barnacle79@reddit
Yeah ive thought about this when I hear people thinking I should just buy a new car when a transmission needs to be replaced on an older car. Much cheaper in the long run (especially when you factor in additional costs on a new car like insurance, registration fees, etc) to keep it going than buying a whole new car.
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
Issue is for some people, easier to finance a new car. Then to finance repair work on used car, that will need more work again.
Every Individual has their own preferences. Wife and I buy new cars. Trade in 3 yr old car with expiring warranty and pay cash for remaining amount.
We don’t care about depreciation. We want a car that has warranty. Plus get to try many different brands over last 35 years. Miss Saab very much.
Financial-Barnacle79@reddit
My first cars were Saabs! I miss them too.
Stock-Swing-797@reddit
I think the biggest problem is what people define as a "new car." Like your scenario. Your transmission goes out in your $4k car. The worst thing to do is go by a "new" like $12k, 110k mile car, as you'll be back to square one, when not only are you making payments on a car, but now also have expensive repairs come up.
Financial-Barnacle79@reddit
True, definitely some nuance.
jckipps@reddit
That's what I'm finding too. Basically the only thing that could result in me abandoning my 1992 daily driver is rust, collision, or fire. Everything else can be repaired cheaply enough to not warrant replacement.
And quite frankly, I've heard enough horror stories of long wait times and unavailable parts for warranty repairs, that I don't think those new-vehicle warranties have any real advantage over older vehicles with no warranty.
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
Wife waited 7 months for parts for warranty repair on her Audi SUV. Dealer gave us loaner during that time. Dealer was nice, gave us a $50 gas card due to long wait.
LOGGATO@reddit
This was well spoken
DeepSeaDynamo@reddit
Also a big part of the reason they do cost so much is because people keep paying more for them.
Bfife22@reddit
It’s pretty much that we hit peak car in the late 2010s, but new car prices have skyrocketed since, and wages haven’t followed.
Manufacturers have also started massively cost cutting on materials, and trying to offset it by adding as many cheap touchscreens as they can and calling it modern to distract people from the downgrade.
That said, some people still think the used market is what it used to be, and that’s not the case. My last used car I bought was only 2 years old, 30K miles, and I bought it for nearly 30% cheaper than a new one
I bought a new car in 2025, and 3 year old examples with 30K were being listed for nearly the price of a new one.
chickenCabbage@reddit
I bought my car about two years and a few dozen thousand kilometres ago. I can sell it right now for about the same as I bought it for. I'm not in the US, but prices are nuts here too!
Philodendron69@reddit
I was planning to get a car that was 3-4 years old bc that seemed reasonable. I ended up getting a 2025 model bc the ones that were 3-4 years old didnt have a discount. And if you’re like me and you had an accident and had to find a new vehicle there’s a good chance you’re financing, and banks are basically bullying you into buying new cars bc of the interest rates
amazing-haves-34@reddit
Just stop telling people what your payment is. Seems like you are emotionally invested in blabbering your financial details to everyone.
Apart-District3771@reddit
Because they are expensive garbage.
bhalter80@reddit
Because they have no soul
Hampool@reddit
I like my gen 5 Prius :(
DFLDrew@reddit
Cars are inanimate objects. None of them have souls. wtf are you talking about? Do microwaves have souls? What about dishwashers?
chickenCabbage@reddit
Some do. Look at analog telephone systems like ringing machines, or mainframes with their green CRTs, vintage radios, and tell me they have no soul. There's something very endearing about their design. They hail from a simpler time.
Now compare these to your smartphone, or a PC monitor, or your carplay tablet. They're so much simpler, so much more utilitarian.
It's like the difference between a sunny vintage kitchen with wooden cabinets and colourful tiles, versus a modern, LED-lit, high-gloss tile and white melamine furniture. One looks lived-in and cozy, one looks "clean".
bhalter80@reddit
There's a feel and a connection from driving many cars, my Mini, my diesel and my M3 are all very different experiences to drive they're very analog in that way.
Driving modern cars is by and large a very vanilla experience. There's nothing engaging about it
jrileyy229@reddit
They never did
cjmaguire17@reddit
It’s very popular to hate on the new things. It happens across every industry
Billy_bob_thorton-@reddit
Subscriptions for simple stock features that came with the car 10 years ago
MarsupialNo1278@reddit
Nothing wrong with that but what i will say is also this. Simply because a car is older it doesn't mean it unreliable. My 97 Lexus es300 lasted me until it hit 300 thousand miles. My 2010 acurat tl laster until 210 thousand miles. Note that it could went longer but i slid down a hill during a snowy day and it got totaled. Don't equate new with reliable. It all depends on the car you get more than the age (to a certain degree)
Inevitable-Notice351@reddit
If you buy a new vehicle, I would personally skip the warranty. New cars already come with a 3 year warranty. Add on warrantys are grossly overpriced and mostly redundant.
Short_Arrival_6963@reddit
Cool
BuyLandcruiser@reddit
Reliability isn’t what it used to be. Way more moving parts and electronics. I’ll never hate on someone who wants a warranty and peace of mind though. For me peace of mind is no payments and something cheap and reliable that I can fix. Also 99% of the world cannot rebuild a motor 99% of parents do not teach that. So teach yourself.
CompetitiveLab2056@reddit
My problem is new does not mean reliable, cars parked in reliability 10-15 years ago…. Now we are going downhill. Manufactures are really buying into the build to lease mentality with the vehicles lasting that mindset as well.
BlueMonday2082@reddit
Seeing you pay four times as much for a vehicle that won’t last 1/4 as long seem stupid to people.
TheReaperSovereign@reddit
Car guys have always romanticize old cars and hated new ones. Doesn't matter the year or era.
Beautiful_Ad_4813@reddit
It’s not that I don’t hate new cars, it’s the fact that I am no longer able to fix it myself with out having 1000s of dollars in tools just for a damn sensor that I can’t fix myself anyway because it requires a dealership tech to charge me an additional 125-150 dollars an hour plus parts to fix it.
I do my best to keep my older VW on the road but theres gonna come a time where I won’t be able due to part availability
Do i want the latest and greatest vw audi? Yes yes i do however, the depreciation it will sink faster than OceanGates “titan” imploding as soon as the front tires hit the pavement from the dealership because I drive far more than the average person does
No-Register7710@reddit
Old people get mad when you do something they don’t approve of. It’s your money. Enjoy yourself!
juliankennedy23@reddit
I have no idea. I mean it is so much more pleasant to drive on the highway with the driver assists that allow you to set it and forget it.
I mean if I had to guess I would assume it's Envy.
Icy_Nose_2651@reddit
because there is so much to hate
Stock-Swing-797@reddit
Look at how many people had to comment something about trucks, when OP never even hinted at trucks.
jango-lionheart@reddit
In your defense, the title says “cars.”
Boring-Source2395@reddit
Trucks are a problem
FreidasBoss@reddit
OP literally said he’s going to buy a new truck.
Stock-Swing-797@reddit
Corrected
Stock-Swing-797@reddit
Outlet for people to vent, and justify their own decisions.
Sad-Celebration-7542@reddit
People love to pass judgment. Trucks are visible so are easy targets.
Shadowfox186@reddit
New cars come with subscriptions. You like owning your car or paying a monthly fee for heated seats?
Embarrassed_Ad1722@reddit
Too expensive for what you get, too unreliable, too techy so you can't touch to repair anything yourself, Too many screens, bullshit features like monthly payment subscription for things which are already in the car but locked out, lastly dealers too scummy.
modidlee@reddit
Lowkey some of it is jealousy, although no one will ever admit it.
00goop@reddit
A kid in my neighborhood got ran over (under?) by a truck by their own parents in my neighborhood. The parents were pulling forward out of the driveway and their kid was playing in the sidewalk. The truck they were driving was so massive and had such a bad forward blind spot that they couldn’t have seen their kid even if they were looking. The kid ended up living.
Modern high-end trucks are not luxury vehicles and they’re not work vehicles. They’re expensive marketing hype with 6’ high grills that are dangerous for everyone else.
Go ahead and get whatever new, nice, overpriced luxury sports car or sedan or hatch or mid-size crossover you want. Those decisions don’t affect others. Your decision to get a large modern truck does affect others, like with pedestrian safety or blinding oncoming traffic with your LED’s.
Far-Drawing-4444@reddit
To answer without writing an entire book...
1) planned obsolescence. New cars are designed to break down and be disposed of instead of being repaired, which is not only more expensive for you, it has a massive environmental cost.
2) They are boring and soulless to drive. Most are about as exciting as buying a new toaster.
3) electronic nannies not only suck the fun out of driving, they make the roads less safe because idiots forget they're supposed to be paying attention to the driving part.
4) built in surveillance and kill switches, and features you have to pay a subscription to use.
5) the average repair is less than most monthly lease payments, and much less frequent.
6) you have the option of repairing it yourself.
7) there's no real advantage from my perspective. I can get a Bluetooth head unit, aftermarket TPMS, retrofit projector headlights, and any other convenience features I actually want and put them in my 20 year old car.
8) I don't have to deal with a dealership. Ever.
9) People I know with those "reliable" new cars have their cars in for repairs more often than I do.
Personally, I don't care what you decide to do with your money, but pretending you made the smart financial, environmental, or convenient choice is ridiculous. Just say you wanted to flex a brand new car.
_--Yuri--_@reddit
They are making too much out of plastic (im fine with and understand cars crumple for safety, but we dont need plastic suspension pieces), things harder to repair or not repairable at all (more things nowadays need complete replacements), too many computers in what's technically a tool (and that's coming from someone who also is into building PCs, keep em outta my car), the ridiculous amount of sensors in new vehicles, after hearing what the '27 models are shipping with I'd rather be forced to have a breathalyzer in my vehicle to start it than cameras, mics, speed sensors among others plastered everywhere
Newer cars are also turning features they ship with stock into subscriptions
It's just not sustainable, even if you don't like working on your own car/know how, I promise a lot of those old corollas at 280k miles genuinely run better than your brand new twin turbo 4 cylinder truck
I don't hate you for it, I just see a lack of information leading to misinformed decisions
And btw you can get warranties on older vehicles so that's a useless point tbh
_--Yuri--_@reddit
Also your remark about FB vehicles dying in 8 months only applies to shit under 5k that's already dead and some teenagers gonna beat on more lol, or some people are stupid and read "runs and drives" and expect it to last
wrathslayer@reddit
First, ignore those people. Ive driven a lot of new cars--like twenty so far in my life. My job depends on my car, so I want new with warranty. I usually trade when the warranty is close to being done. Or I lease. Also, I like new cars with new tech and safety features. I make enough money, have a good retirement account, and with the right early investments, got my kid through college. So the haters can hate and I get to drive nice new cars. Everybody should drive what the like.
AbeFroman42@reddit
Because it’s Reddit. Just look at the circle jerk initiated by your post. People love to judge others and feel superior to them. This gives them a place to do that.
You don’t need to justify your choices to anyone, especially not strangers on the internet. Go enjoy your new truck.
realcanadianguy21@reddit
I enjoy having a vehicle that isn't rusted out.
adhq@reddit
So many reasons! Not least of which the fact that "they don't make them like they used to" and this money grab trend car manufacturers are trying to implement now by purposely "gimping" their products and then charge a monthly subscription for "extra" power or heated seats... And finally, the amount of idiots who choose to commit to $1000/month car payments while barely affording other necessities is overwhelming lately.
Last-Surprise4262@reddit
I hear u but I think it’s the immediate drive off the lot depreciation that freaks people out but if u have the $ and don’t mind then cool
Substantial-Ad-8575@reddit
This…
Wife and I buy new cars. We want the warranty. We like getting a new car every 3 years. We can easily afford the cost and has no impact on our retirement/investments/savings.
dave200204@reddit
New cars have never been a good investment. Soon as you drive a car off the lot its resale value drops substantially. Cars might retain some resale value over time however they don't go up in price. Then you have to finance a new car which means paying even more money for something that loses value over time.
New cars are nice. They're full of cool new features and functions. However a five year old car can still look good and get you where you need to go. My current car is 15 years old and has almost 200k miles on it. We bought it new when we had the cash. My wife's car we bought used it is a two year old trade in.
Goff1976@reddit
Because its the internet. They hate and criticize everything. Live YOUR life.
Fine-Froyo6219@reddit
Just people looking for anything at all to feel superior about.
Emergency_Tennis_167@reddit
Me neither. If people didn’t make bad financial decisions. I wouldn’t be winning in life. I love buying new cars at 1/3 the price from bank repossession lots.
Real talk. It comes down to ignorance. New cars aren’t more or less reliable than old cars but they cost significantly more even though they’re made with less quality materials and have more failure points.
I have three vehicles and one motorcycle all paid off. My next vehicle will most likely be a new preowned as well.
Polyethylene8@reddit
New cars make sense too because with great credit you can get 0% interest on many models. Literally no interest. Whereas on a used car the interest is so high, you'll have the same payment for something used and without a warranty.
While some folks have money set aside for vehicles and that's great for them, most do not, and still have to get to work, so from they perspective, buying new makes total sense.
Adventurous_Boat_632@reddit
Warranty is only good if there are competent people to administer it. Those of us with fleet experience have become disgusted by the manufacturers not having parts available to perform warranty because they built some fault into billions of units and shipped them. And the monkeys they hire to perform the work hack sawing and sledgehammering their way in to the problem and duct taping their way out. Because the dealership model and warranty hours drove off the good techs. The vehicle will never be the same.
New =/= reliable. I've never spent over 10k for a vehicle and never kept one less than 10 years. That is personal and business fleet.
Some of us may fear being called the "lucky ones" when the ant has to uphold the grasshopper when retirement times come.
Boring-Source2395@reddit
Car prices are out of control I bought a used mkz 2017 in 2019 for 22k. I just traded it in and another seller is asking 14k for it with 100k miles.
It’s insane. Plus all the new cars have stupid tech and no physical buttons.
Also at least with ford they tuned back their radios which now sound awful stock
OneManShow23@reddit
New cars aren’t hated. It’s just that if you buy a new car, people will ridicule you for paying too much. Finance gurus and people who advise to buy used don’t mention that some used cars sometimes cost slightly less than new ones (like newer or low mileage cars or brands that hold value well) or how much time you need to spend on searching a good used car.
W_Silver2356@reddit
I've never understood taking things that far either. Debating the merits of one vehicle or brand of vehicle versus another is part of car culture. It can from time to time cross lines of propriety.
From where I sit, people who are vehemently critical of new cars are not really against the cars themselves. It's about how they reflect changing times that are very different from anything they are used to, or can relate to. That is unsettling in a big way. Not everyone handles it well.
After a certain age, there is an expectation that people will have "it" figured out. Whatever "it" may be. When that isn't the case, human nature tends to vent the frustration at the nearest object associated with the source of that frustration. It's like lightning finding a lightning rod.
Cars represent a lot more than transportation. Especially in American culture. When people start seeing the effects of changing times, they tend to take it out on the reflections of those changes because those are more accessible and understandable than the actual sources.
All of this is a long-winded way of saying, don't expect human nature to be entirely rational.
wirez62@reddit
You’re kicking the can down the road. Wait for your first few major repair estimates in 5-10 years youll shit your pants
WorkerEquivalent4278@reddit
I couldn’t care less. If you like a new truck and especially if you live somewhere where rust will kill your truck get a new one. I strongly dislike Honda and Toyota because I find the cost too high for the perceived reliability, and I’ve run across far too many of these cars with 0 maintenance records. I like American cars and German cars, but don’t like any of their newest offerings.
People need to stop it with the projection of their will on everyone else.
Obvious_Ranger_396@reddit
No one hates on new cars they are just trying to help you not make a bad poorly thought out financial decision. the new cars aren’t reliable or convenient with how even the smallest jobs usually require special tools or such so you cant do it yourself.
They make these cars disposable now so they last 100k then you lease a new car. Older 1990s/ early 2000 cars were made to be a long term investment.
That doesn’t mean you can just buy any random car from that era or you will be on fb marketplace every 8 months. You actually have to check out the car first.
rdmodsrtrsh@reddit
New cars are less reliable than 10 or so years ago. They’re more expensive, they lock things behind subscriptions. They try to move everything onto the touch panel. I can tell you from experience getting things fixed under warranty has been a 3 year adventure. The value has dropped over 50 percent in 5 years. The dealership experience is terrible to top things off
ShitMcClit@reddit
Im not going to stop laughing at people paying 1200 a month for a Ford. Enjoy the recalls I guess.
Izacundo1@reddit
It’s because newer cars are overpriced, more expensive/impossible to fix, come with garbage add ons no one needs, and are less reliable than many older cars. You’re not getting reliability getting a new car, you’re getting ripped off.
ParticularWhole9433@reddit
Perhaps people are emotionally invested in something closely related to that and you are misinterpreting it as emotional investment in your personal choice.
BrickLorca@reddit
I bought a new 2025 F-150 for $33k out the door. I admit this was as much patience as it was dumb luck.
Apparently the kinks have been worked out of the 10R80 and the 2nd gen 2.7 ecoboost is known to be solid.
8 foot bed, I get 24-26 mpg with Falken A/T3W 114T, 42 pounds a tire on steelies. Twice the towing capacity, crash safety in a different league, stronger frame, braking/stability/trailer control, aluminum alloy bed won't rust out...and I get a nice mix of modern amenities and physical buttons since it's the work trim variant.
ParticularWhole9433@reddit
That's a pretty amazing deal, congratulations. Yeah, might be time to switch to Ford, that's a pretty good package.
Icy_Bake9085@reddit
It depends you got the die hard car guys who hate that they are now nothing but computers on wheels with a bunch of unneeded tech that you are required to have that just turns into more shit that needs to be replaced the cost I mean cheapest new car you get is 30-40k cheapest which is ridiculous when they are built to self destruct withing a decade to try to force you into buying newer whereas there's 20-50 year old cars still running like show room new Vegas they have been properly upkept and you can do a lot more of what you want to those then anything newer
Wild-Butterscotch798@reddit
I can see why people give you grief just from the way you wrote this.
But mainly: 1. New doesn't equal reliable by any means. 2. The fancier the features, the more that can go wrong. 3. The tech in new vehicles is ridiculous, overbearing, distracting and borderline dangerous.
There's quite a few more options than 'Buying new' and 'Gambling on Marketplace Shit tins' 🤷♀️. Our personal 2016 ute is far superior in comfort, reliability and just all around nicer to travel in than partners new 2025 work ute with all the bells and whistles.
mmspider@reddit
At a very basic level people buying used feel like they are buying the same product at a lower price. Personally I find some new vehicles to be affordable still and would rather own new.
ricecrackie@reddit
Because they’re poor
tintinblock1@reddit
People who complain about new car prices tend to forget about inflation. A Honda civic Dx. in 1999 was $13,000. With inflation, that comes to $25,379. A new Honda civic is $24,695. So a new civic today is actually cheaper than it was in 99’. Also, the new civic has SO many more features and safety than a car back then, so you are getting a better product for the same price.
Millions of new cars are bought every year. The people hating on them usually aren’t able to afford the car, or can’t afford the immediate depreciation. The depreciation I can understand, it’s why I buy a few year old luxury cars that go for a fifth of their price new. I can work on them and understand the risk. New cars are really nice to have with warranties and all the bells and whistles.
MostlyBrine@reddit
You might be right about the inflation adjusted price, however the “so many extra features” aspect, I have to disagree. Yes, the automatic emergency braking is great. It is something that was designed in the 1980s and finally got affordable. Everything else is not worth the hassle. I want to pay attention to the road and traffic, not play with toys and rely on some third rate software update to keep me safe. I am an automation engineer and I would not want to trust my life to the cheapest possible component coming from China.
Portland420informer@reddit
My Ford Fiesta was $16,495 in 2014. My 2023 Ford Maverick Hybrid was $22,495. The Fiesta would have been $21,230 inflation adjusted.
ParticularWhole9433@reddit
1999 civic hatch was 11.2, current civic hatch is 27.9, so a new civic hatch is quite a bit more expensive. interesting look at how the hatch/cuv looking version has gone from the bottom to the top, although it doesn't really change your main point.
Jolrit@reddit
New cars only depreciate when you sell them. It’s like the stock market. You only lose money on a stock that has lost value is when you sell the stock.
tintinblock1@reddit
Very true. If you’re going to keep a car for a long time depreciation doesn’t matter necessarily. For those who do offload 2-3 year old cars, I will happily wait for them lol
wpmason@reddit
Just wait until next year when the mandatory surveillance systems become standard.
The12th_secret_spice@reddit
Because the majority of people can’t afford a new car, buy it anyways, and complain about being broke.
If you want a warranty and reliable car, leasing is an option. There are also new car options for $30k but those people opt for a $100k pickup.
If you’re going to make poor financial decisions, don’t bitch about it.
The internet is a very small minority of people so why do you care what random strangers think/say?
boatsnhosee@reddit
Reddit is just an echo chamber
Rare_Ant_5969@reddit
Quality is going down, pricey electronics are going up that the average American CANT work on… it’s frustrating.
goranlepuz@reddit
Oooofff...
Wrong sub, mate.
I couldn't care less either way, but wrong sub 😉
Demented-Alpaca@reddit
I think a lot of it is that they pray on the financially illiterate and, as a group, we don't like that.
A lot of dealerships a run like legalized con jobs trying to bait and switch you into huge purchases you neither need nor can afford.
Car loans USED to be about 48 months and were reasonably affordable during those times. Now we regularly hear of people that buy cars with 82 month plans and over $1,000 a month payments.
I bought a new car last year. They advertised it for 36k. When I went it to look at it, that was the price if you met 3 very specific incentive requirements. Without them the car was 39k. But they also added a 3k third taillight flashing module that made the car $42,000. That module makes the middle taillight flash a few time when you first step on the brake pedal. It costs $55 and they were adding $3,000 to the price.
So the $36,000 car was actually $42,000. But wait! There's more! Let's add undercoat. (Fucking really.) $5,000. And Paint Protection Film for $8,000. And an extended warranty for $4,500. Oh, and the dealer installed tool kit, fancy floor matts and a first aid kit... but we'll save money because we bundled them so it's $1,500.
That car that was advertised for $36,000 as a "no hassle price" was now $61,000. Plus Dealer doc fees of $1,500, delivery of $800 (it was already on the lot) Taxes and of course $500 to delete the dealer logo from the back of the car.
Now I'm at nearly 68k to buy a 36k car. An 89% markup over what they advertised.
It's not that we hate the idea of you buying a new car. It's that we hate how dealerships behave and rip people who don't know better off. Because if I told you I bought that car for $68,000 out the door you'd call me a fucking moron.
I bought it for $41,000 out the door. And most of the difference between the advertised price and what I paid came through those non-negotiables like doc fees and state sales taxes.
So go buy a new car. Some of them are really nice. And having warranty support is handy. Just... you know, don't buy a 50k truck for 110k and tell us you got a great deal.
Also, don't buy a 110k 1.5 ton diesel 4x4 massive truck and then bitch that it costs so much to drive when a Ford Maverik was what you needed.
BowlFullofCrazy@reddit
I think it’s a microcosm of a broader phenomenon in society — and the younger generations seem particularly prone to this behavior — where people espouse their view as if there’s some collective right answer. I couldn’t give a **** what other people do or think. The crowd that purportedly stands for tolerance is, uniquely, intolerant.
DimensionCareful507@reddit
because a frightening amount of people buy cars they cannot really afford. Sure they can squeeze the monthly payment in, but they are making a horribly irresponsible financial decision buying new when they are one unexpected emergency away from big problems. If you can comfortably afford it, do you and enjoy.
That aside, one of my qualms with newer vehicles is the shift towards more subscriptions and over reliance on tech, touch screens, and electronics. A little too much going on for me personally and despise how some manufacturers are trying to nickel and dime people monthly for having things like keyless start and heated seats. I have a massive moral objection to enabling such greed and helping steer the automotive industry in that direction. I'll stick with my more analog models that arent monitoring everything I do for as long as I can personally.
TentsNTails@reddit
You can see part of the reason why HERE and HERE (This guy has like 20 videos on this)
You can also see expos HERE and HERE (discussing the issues)
Lastly, this video sums up why older is better HERE
Happy watching and learning!
DetectiveNarrow@reddit
I just could never see buying a car brand new when I could get a mean discount on it 3-5 years later with 50k or less miles on it. I have the mechanical knowledge to drag just about any car to 200k. I’ve bought and currently own a couple cars with over 200k miles and would drive em across the country. Some people couldn’t fathom taking that “risk”. In today’s view tho I don’t like anything pretty much after 2019 cuz that’s when materials really started getting cheap and too much unnecessary technology that goes wrong, and screens every fucking where.
LOGGATO@reddit
you fell for the "yeah you can afford this monthly amount!". Buy convenience and not repair what we have. It sets a precedent every time someone finances something because it allows money to go to places that are OK screwing people over. (banks, car dealerships, car companies). I bet the amount you are paying total in interest can buy a decent car. In a selfish way look at all the money you could be putting away for retirement... all for convenience huh?
Ok-Ad8998@reddit
Unneccessary complexity is my reason. Almost every new feature that has been added to cars in the last 20 years has made them worse, (except audio systems.)
Also, I can't make the step of paying that much money for something that loses value so quickly.
Party_Bar_9853@reddit
People on the internet are very angry and bitter and love spitting venom at everyone for any reason. If you can handle it and are okay with it don't worry
groshreez@reddit
Because of the surveillance risk that new cars come with, I don't want a car that car manufacturers can use to create reports of where I live, work, everywhere I go, where I shop, etc., so they can sell my profile to data brokers who will sell it to anyone (i.e., car insurance companies, police departments, government agencies, etc).
stacksmasher@reddit
Wait until you make enough to pay cash for it lol!
paper_killa@reddit
A lot of the new hate is legitimate, to chase fuel economy the lighter tolerances on engines to run 0w-20 oil or smaller turbo engines and CVTS has in general been a disaster. As an example the previous Tundra you can pretty count on buying one and it lasting 20years, engine failures within the first two years are fairly common now. In our small family business fleet our 2004 Ford 5.4 has 565k miles on it currently, we had a 2018 5.0 (coyote) last 5 years. As it relates to your Corolla example, the corolla still uses a traditional engine and will be reliable but a 10yr old corolla may outlast many of the new ecomony cars with turbo 3s and CVTS
astcell@reddit
On the radio on Saturday mornings, there is a finance guy who gives advice. People call in with questions. He is very big on not having a new car. Get a used car with low mileage and you will save a bunch.
Then one day a guy called him and said that he wanted a brand new truck. The finance guy told him to go for it. But what about all the talk about no one needs a brand new vehicle?
He said that’s correct. Nobody needs a brand new vehicle. But you want a brand new vehicle. Need and wants our two different things. Don’t convince yourself that you need a new vehicle to justify buying it. But if you want it for your emotional feelings, go for it, you only live once, then get the things that you want.
I used to trade in my vehicle every two years. The dealer absolutely loved me. But now I have a vehicle that I really like and the newer ones offer nothing else except the price tag that is $20,000 higher. I don’t even want a new vehicle anymore after seeing what they are like now.
Playful-Job2938@reddit
New cars are objectively bad in almost every example. Especially domestic ones. You’re spending 60-100k for something that won’t last any longer than a 5k beater in most cases. Modern cars are all poorly converging on the same bad design because of emissions standards and profit optimization:
MostlyBrine@reddit
To each their own. I wanted a new car when I was out of college. I bought a sparkling new car for my wife. I lost so much money on it, and it soured the dealer experience so much, that I learned everything I could about repairing and maintaining a car. The moment I had my own garage, it was all used cars. I buy them cheap, preferably with a known problem, fix them up and enjoy them, payment free until death (the cars or mine - whichever comes first). If I kept buying a new car every 5-8 years, I wouldn’t have been able to afford a house.
There is no hate, at least from myself, towards the people who do not have a choice. The hate is towards the people who need to have continuous car payments and expensive insurance, that comes with the package, instead of investing the money in something more meaningful.
Due_Government4387@reddit
Cause they’re pieces of shit
plainsfiddle@reddit
Many newer cars are more of a gamble while being super overpriced. That's why people tell you to stay away.
Reliability and convenience in general will be found more on vehicles that are 10-15 years old at this point. If you want to pay a lot of money to find that out the hard way, have at it. There's a lot of territory between buying marketplace beaters with zero documentation and buying new vehicles. I didn't grow up with parents who taught me mechanical stuff either, but now I have a fleet of seven cars with an average age of about 30 years and they mostly run. you're totally right about choosing to spend your time and energy thinking about other things and not wanting to worry about your vehicle. But that's not a great excuse to buy a brand new one.
SkeeterDan92@reddit
A lot of them look the same, are boring to drive.
Tin_Can_739@reddit
Don’t worry about it. I like both new and old so people hate me both ways. Drive what you like, and don’t complain about what it cost. Hopefully you make sound financial decisions.
‘23 Tesla model 3 ‘66 Chevy c10
AsterXsh99@reddit
For me they’re very expensive, ugly design with screens everywhere and all brands look the same now
I’m not saying 2004 with 280k miles but like a clean 2016 for example (general, not referring to a specific model/brand or type)
No-Test-2993@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20260513-your-car-is-spying-on-you-its-about-to-get-worse
Flintmane@reddit
I think it's partially cuz so many people come on here to justify their wants and not their needs. The objectively best thing to do financially is the cheap beater no car payment drive it into the ground. If you dont care about the money or you value convenience then yeah get your new shiny thing, but you are paying a premium for that.
Philodendron69@reddit
I drive a newer car and have a car payment. I like to complain because cars are too expensive now and I’m mad and I want my payment to be lower 😂
HighInChurch@reddit
The same people that love buying used cars rely on people buying new cars.
Zealousideal_Yak_703@reddit
Yeah you do you. I personally don't give a crap what people think of my rationale on something they have nothing to do with. I am a field engineer so I drive 3-500 miles a week and generally buy a roughly 5-6 year old car minimum primarily because every part they put in a new vehicle is at least partially for them (OEM) to make money on me from the data but also adds a failure point to the vehicle. I personally wouldn't buy a truck or big V8 suv because they cost roughly $85-100 to fill up at least once a week now. And that $170 x 2-3 times monthly on top of your $5-700 payment and general maintenance leaves you with roughly 2k in vehicle costs minimum. But you do you a car to me is not a status symbol its a tool that gets me where I need to be reliably and is otherwise beyond that a waste of money.
Itchy_Management_604@reddit
I mean I would recommend certified pre-owned if you want warranty still while also saving money. Price of new cars is absolutely insane.
yodas_sidekick@reddit
The nice thing is, if you can’t afford a new car and to fix it, you will enjoy it. And you should!
The older cars have less gadgets and are more reliable in that sense, and easier to work on. But if you’re not working in it, you have the warranty, and can afford it.
Fucking send it. Enjoy the new car
xPofsx@reddit
You pay for higher safety. more stylised bodies, and more creature comforts in base models these days than in the past.
Meaning you can't by an economy vehicle anymore that is still of a decent overall utility that won't be a ticking time bomb of electrical anomalies or impossible maintenance. The cheapest vehicle you can buy is something tiny that still costs $25k and ends up costing $30k after registration/title/insurance/etc costs. Im sure you can get it lower but still $25k for a new vehicle is still a lot for something that has no actual guarantee to be any better than a slightly older vehicle that is bigger and more generally useful, or something older that's been proven to be more reliable.
It's hard to justify unless you're specifically paying for safety
LifeRound2@reddit
To expensive, complicated and unreliable.
evenduckk@reddit
If you look at what people are spending on cars , they could easily have generation wealth if they put the money into a broad based ETF.
DFLDrew@reddit
Because they don’t understand amortization. They think spending $5k over two years is better than spending $15k over ten.
oniaiwasprettygood@reddit
1) they're insanely overpriced. A lot of it can be tied to modern nice-to-haves and extra safety features (not necessarily a bad thing), but the entry level new car market just flat-out doesn't exist anymore, especially in a way that keeps up with wage stagnation
2) Size creep. Cars have gotten needlessly larger as years go on because in the US market especially, emissions standards openly punish small/compact cars much more heavily than they punish full-size sedans and anything that can be classified in the "light truck" loophole. The light truck loophole shouldn't even exist to begin with, and has been a major push into everything, even enthusiast cars, being converted into an SUV/crossover.
A lot of people don't need a massive car, and would be much better serviced by a compact (and poor drivers especially who don't understand the size of their own car), but they're dicentivized from buying them in favor of larger cars that have larger profit margins under the guise of "safety" and this manufactured fear that in a collision they "don't want to be the smaller car.". This is a highly US-centric perspective, but it has knock-on effects into other markets
3) They just don't look good. This is purely subjective, but there are so many body styles (station wagons especially rest in peace✌️) that don't get made anymore. Every car has become rounder and more bulbus in the name of aerodynamics and as a result they've lost a lot of the distinct personality that boxier cars from the 80s-00s really had.
oniaiwasprettygood@reddit
Also a couple of things from a mechanic's perspective, because I forgot to put it in the original post:
- Lots of poor-quality, built-to-fail one-time-use plastic components that do used to be made of higher-quality materials Because it's saves the manufacturer money, but they can ALSO keep upcharging customers on replacements when they inevitably break. They get to double-dip on the profit margin, and infuriate the end consumer (who more often than not blame us, not the manufacturer).
- So, so much proprietary software being pushed out. Proprietary tooling, proprietary diagnostic equipment... We switched to OBD2 as a common standard for a reason and manufacturers are trying their absolute hardest to undo that.
- LED headlights. People complain about the color and brightness yes, and that's all well and good, but what they neglect to consider is the fact that when an LED headlight/taillight dies, you can't just swap a bulb out like you can with an HID/xenon/incandescent bulb. You have to (more often than not) replace the ENTIRE light assembly. This reflects poorly on the mechanics who now have to, going back to the first point, charge the customer a lot more than we would've had to for a basic bulb replacement. Sure this happens substantially less with LED bulbs and that's a plus, but a customer who's suddenly staring down a 400-500 dollar headlight replacement isn't going to think about the fact that they've not had to replace one ever on this car, they're going to think about the fact that their previous car only charged them maybe 40 bucks.
MNmostlynice@reddit
Because new cars are over inflated and depreciate faster than you can pay it off. $700+ a month for a middle of the line plastic filled truck that is handcuffed to the manufacturer through software updates and subscriptions to unlock features that are built in is a fucking joke.
DoomDash@reddit
Fixing old cars is easy. New cars its expensive and challenging.
Cautious_One9013@reddit
Because new cars are made like garbage, ask me how I know, no you know what, I'll tell you how I know. Because I have a brand new Mazda CX-90 sitting in my driveway with under 2,000 miles on it that has been in for service twice now for an issue where my dashboard just decides that it wants to reboot itself while I am driving, and shuts all my gauges off randomly. And Mazda tells me there is nothing wrong with the car, it works as designed. So yea, garbage.
Throttlechopper@reddit
Please step out of whatever echo chamber you stumbled into, not everyone thinks like that. It’s your decision, and I agree, it’s hard to beat being worry-free and having the latest safety features.
Jeff_Sabado@reddit
A) people are idiots and spend half their income on dumb ass jacked up trucks
B) there's still a (partly unfounded) idea that as soon as a car is driven off the lot it loses >half of its value. Since like Covid that is not true.
C) jealousy
Infinite-Past7640@reddit
As someone who just bought a $$$ SUV for no other reason than I wanted to.
People are frustrated with what you get for what you pay.
Financially it’s a terrible expense.
Some people would want to buy a new vehicle themselves.
IMO
sp4nky86@reddit
I buy new vehicles for work/family, old vehicles for fun.
cptchnk@reddit
New cars get a lot of hate by actual car people because they're overpriced, overly complicated appliances that spy on you with telemetry and are obscenely expensive to fix.
Add those things to the fact that money is expensive to borrow and it's hard to love a new car that you'll be upside down on the month you drive it off the lot.
unwilling_viewer@reddit
A brand new truck is not going to be particularly reliable or convenient. Probably the most pointless and least usable vehicle type on the road today.
J-Rag-@reddit
They're more expensive than ever and having more issues than ever. They have too much needless tech and shit.
Both_Painter_9186@reddit
Because half of reddit are bots. 30% are losers who just want to argue. 18% are gooning for porn. 2% are decent, helpful people.
thepealbo@reddit
It’s because they are so boring. Nobody is innovating right now. Nobody is making interesting body styles right now. A brick is not a design cue.
When was the last time you saw a new car on the road and took a double take? I remember the first time I saw an FRS, a Magnum/Charger/Challenger, the CTS V. Now it’s all the same three SUVs with a different grill and lights. The trucks are all the same too.
malykaii@reddit
From my experience most of the "new car hate" is going towards the people who shouldn't be buying a new car, from a sound financial perspective.
"committed a moral failure for not driving a 2004 Corolla" - Exactly where I've seen this is type of argument is towards people who are low income earners. Cases where someone is struggling to make rent on time but has a new car on a crazy high interest rate stretched to 84 months.
...and with how wages have been stagnant for years while all costs increase... The average person can't comfortably afford the new car. Spending $1000/mo on a car (payment, insurance, fuel) is fine when you earn six figures+, but it's not financially sound to spend that much when it's literally 1/3 of your take home pay. That is why people act like it's a moral failure.
Lastly, having a new car and new car reliability can make long term financial sense over a beater (for the non mechanically inclined) but in my entire career (vlcar mechanic) I've only ever once advised a customer or acuaintance to go grab a base model car like a Yaris and had them actually do that. Most people go in looking at the $20k new car and return with a $35k used Benz.
Dopehauler@reddit
Because they're remarkable fine pieces of shti
TheStrongTaint@reddit
I don’t think people get offended, but people take on some truly idiotic loans to buy cars they can’t afford
VW-MB-AMC@reddit
I would not worry about other people's opinions. Just drive the car you want and be happy. Nobody should get to take that away from you.
I am not fond of new cars myself. My biggest gripe with them are that they are less DIY friendly. They are often very complicated and expensive to repair, and they get more and more similar to appliances. Another thing I don't like is the use of screens and lack of physical knobs and buttons. Physical controls are more tactile, and you can operate them without taking your eyes of the road. Screens steals your attention. I also have a strong dislike for subscriptions. If you bought the car it is yours. You should not have to pay more to use the functions the car comes with. Enshittification is real, and it affects cars too. In many ways new cars are obviously superior. But in other ways they fall short. But that is just my uneducated opinion.
I only drive old cars. I have been obsessed with them my entire life. And they are still very reliable. It is all in the maintenance. I did not get a hand me down car either. My first car was a rotten wreck that I restored myself, learning by doing. As a mechanic I am self taught. I find older cars much more inviting and inclusive that way. The most modern car I own is a W123 from 1979, and it can easily outlive me if I take proper care of it. It is all mechanical, and it haven't got the faintest idea what a subscription is.
Total-Improvement535@reddit
Mostly it’s the sheer amount new cars costs plus the crazy interest rates that banks are still doing these days.
Plus, when you consider how much other stuff you could buy with the amount truck payments are, it’s insane.
Plus plus, a lot people spend a rent or even a mortgage payment on a truck that they don’t use for truck stuff 90% of the time, when a car would have been a better financial choice.
Also, new cars kind of suck to work on yourself and computer faults need to be handled by a dealer with the tools to fix the issues, which then costs even more money and time.
tl;dr - they’re stupid expensive, are becoming more inconvenient, and the “juice isn’t worth the squeeze” in the way it once was
Funky_Biped@reddit
Cue the comments telling you that you are wasting money and that you could make so much more by investing it. Like that’s the only thing that everyone cares about.
Jumpy_Childhood7548@reddit
More of a financial blunder.
TonySalumi@reddit
I just hate the touchscreens and lack of buttons in newer vehicles. Pay to play features are also bullshit. It just feels like everything is a subscription or an overpriced scam these days
RealisticQuality7296@reddit
Nobody actually cares how you spend the bank’s money. Stop being insecure.
Adamas_Moustache86@reddit
A payment on a brand new truck is the equivalent to a mortgage payment on a modest starter home these days. That just doesn't make sense for anyone earning anywhere around the median income or less. It's like throwing money away. And older vehicles don't cost nearly as much to maintain as the interest payments on a 5-7 year $40k truck loan cost. That's a complete myth unless you're buying American domestic and even they're getting a lot better.
But hey, if you've got $800 a month in disposable income, giver 'er bud. I'm kind of jealous.
Sweet_Baby_Cheezus@reddit
Trucks have become synonymous with buying shit you don't need for too much money and making things just a little bit worse for everyone else. I'm not saying you personally but it's not an unearned reputation.
They take up more space in parking lots, they're more dangerous for other people on the road, they use more gas, they have high margins which makes automakers prioritize them over more efficient vehicles, people will take out big loans to afford them.
It's definitely easier for people to call out the speck in someone else's eye, but that doesn't mean the speck isn't there.
Badassmamajama@reddit
Never take a loan on a depreciating asset.
badhoopty@reddit
friend of mine just bought a brand new chevy truck. brand new... with less than 1k miles the engine went out and hes having a hard time with dealers for a bunch of reasons, nobody actually having engines is one of them.
id love a brand new vehicle, but im going to choose a well maintained and cheaper one with xx,xxx proven miles over a brand new one.
but i dont care what somebody else buys.
outline8668@reddit
I think it's because a lot of us in real life know people complaining about money are the ones making expensive vehicle payments. If you can afford it I don't see any issue.
The reality is guys like me who buy cheap older stuff need guys like you to buy new stuff and eat the depreciation because we're certainly not going to do it.
Repulsive-Lie3654@reddit
Some people like making themselves feel bigger by hating on random people on the internet. If you can afford a new car, that's great for you. I would get a new car if I could afford it
SunRev@reddit
It takes 5 to 10 years to design and make a new model car, the new cars we are currently getting were designed during Covid. This caused great disruption in the entire design, engineering and supply chain process; compromises had to be made for conpany survival while still delivering the final designs.
BabyIllustrious1576@reddit
A lot of people online act like buying a new vehicle is some kind of financial crime 😭
Meanwhile not everybody wants to spend their weekends fixing random issues on a 250k mile Facebook Marketplace special just to prove a point lol. If you can afford it comfortably and it makes your life easier, who cares.
Some people value low payments, some people value warranty and peace of mind. Neither is wrong.
Sore_Wa_Himitsu_Desu@reddit
Hey, you do you. As long as you can afford it, no skin off my nose. Besides, somebody has to buy the new ones so there’s a supply of 2 year old used for me to buy when needed.
Empty-Yesterday5904@reddit
Because it's feeding into a cars as subscription model. This has real knock off effects...environmental, quality etc
ObviousAlias7@reddit
It's not so much the cars...but rather the K-shaped economy that we are in. It's somewhat eye opening when some portion of the population can afford to buy a new vehicle, while others struggle to maintain a 15-year old used one.
No-Relationship-2169@reddit
Feels like you’re similarly invested in their emotional investment…
I owned a new German car at one point. Absolutely no one approached me on the street to express these feelings.
Actual-Ice-324@reddit
If you can afford it, buy it and enjoy it. When I was younger I couldn't afford to buy a new car, I learned to fix what I had. Now that I'm more successful in life I can afford new cars and that's what I buy. The haters are just mad because they can't afford it.
Amazing-Bag@reddit
Millions of them get some each year, not much hate for them
zylpher@reddit
Jealousy most likely.