Wondering if there where any tricks that any of you more experienced drivers could tell me about getting better fuel efficiency?
Posted by Few-Letter4776@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 64 comments
So, I'm working on a car right now and it has a dreadful estimated fuel efficiency (about 8-11 MPG). While this alone is not nearly enough to sway my decision to fix it up and drive it, I am concerned about actually fueling the thing once it runs better. So my ask is, is there any way to simply bump that number up? Even if it is by only by like 1 MPG because I don't make enough to drive the thing with gas how it is here and I want to be able to drive it at least when I want to.
Insertsociallife@reddit
Drive like you have a brake failure. Coasting down to stop is the best way to save gas without drafting (can be unsafe) or modifications.
Extreme-Sport-5951@reddit
Put a little extra air in the tires.
Garet44@reddit
A little extra air is fine, but enough air to make a difference to fuel economy will also make a difference to how quickly the center of the tread wears, negating all cost savings.
aquatone61@reddit
A few PSI extra (like 3-5) isn’t going to do any of those things you listed. You’d have to have a bunch more than that to create issues.
aquatone61@reddit
Bump your tire pressure a bit, try 3-5 psi, and stay out of the gas as much as possible. You should accelerate decently so you can get up to cruising speed quickly.
Willing_Sink_3623@reddit
New oxygen sensors, new maf, clean your injectors. Injector cleaning alone has typically resulted in a 1-7mpg increase(the 7mpg was a 30y/o car). It can be a chore to find a good cleaner, gm top end engine cleaner is my go to.
MountainFace2774@reddit
OP is driving a 1970s carbureted V8. He's lucky he's getting 8-11.
Advanced-Elk-7581@reddit
Drive like you've got an egg under the accelerator and brake.
gregsw2000@reddit
The engine adds inertia to the vehicle, the brakes take inertia and turn it into heat to slow you.
You want to make sure you turn as little inertia into heat as possible, because more heat, means more wasted fuel.
Also, air resistance increases intensely with speed. The faster you go, the larger portion of your gasoline is being used to simply move air out of the way. That's bad for fuel economy.
But also, vehicles are somewhat designed to deal with this, and usually have a very long final gear called and overdrive gear, which allows the engine to turn more slowly, using less fuel. This usually kicks in around 45 mph for technical reasons.
If you have an OD transmission, you want to spend as much time as possible on the low end of your OD gear, around 45 mph. This allows the motor to turn the least times, burning the least fuel.
Another thing they've found really helps with fuel economy is tire pressure - if you fill them to nearly max pressure, they will be hard as hell, but also have lower rolling resistance, which noticeably affects fuel economy.
Shortly, don't accelerate more than you need to or drive faster than necessary, while also trying not to drive too slowly - aim for 45 mph average, or as much time in OD as possible. Look down the road and let off the accelerator when slowing, to avoid burning fuel that then has to be turned into heat. Avoid using your air conditioner, as it is a direct drag on the engine. Inflate your tires hard to avoid rolling resistance.
Getting into these habits can do wonders for fuel economy.
MountainFace2774@reddit
This guy MPGs.
Any time you use your brakes, you have wasted fuel. Coasting in gear costs nothing in gas. If you see you're going to have to slow down or stop ahead, immediately let off the accelerator and coast. And stay at or under 65 on the highway.
These little tricks can get my Civic from \~35mpg to \~45mpg. Of course, I don't drive like that much because I don't drive enough for my fuel costs to really make a difference (and it tends to piss off other drivers). But back when I was broke and driving a LOT more, I learned the art of hypermiling. I can get much better than the advertised MPG in any vehicle I've ever owned.
Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit
Nope, other than having a lighter right foot.
I'd just look at fixing the issue properly. It might be as simple and easy as a dirty O2 sensor.
Few-Letter4776@reddit (OP)
sadly the engine is just not built for this economy
Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit
Which vehicle and motor?
Few-Letter4776@reddit (OP)
72 ranchero GT, with a 351 Cobra Jet
Sideburn_Cookie_Man@reddit
Ah, well that certainly explains it.
Your fuel usage is actually really reasonable considering the vehicle.
Few-Letter4776@reddit (OP)
yeah, Its not bad for the car, its actually pretty good. But I just was wondering if I could stretch it just that little bit further with driving styles or any low risk/cost tricks. However from what I'm seeing here, I might just have to suck it up and let my wallet cry every once in a while.
jadedunionoperator@reddit
Stop and go traffic just leave a huge gap in front of you so you don't have to stop. Everyone will hate you but it will be your biggest duel savings
MountainFace2774@reddit
I do this anyway because I drive a manual. Just leave it in 1st and let it idle. People can hate all they want but my knee is happy.
jadedunionoperator@reddit
I use the "sport" shift mode to also keep mine on 1st. Wish I still had a manual tho, can't wait until I can afford yet another project
Cautious_Rain2129@reddit
Dude on YouTube put a lawnmower carb on his v8, was able to cruise at highway speeds and got something silly like 30mpg if I recall. No horsepower of course but enough to get to highway speeds. Still sounded like a normal v8.
Disastrous-Group3390@reddit
And he used every camera and parlor trick in the book to bias his measurements.
Pravus_Nex@reddit
Folk in the 70-80s did all kinds of strange shit in hypermiling races (race wasn't solely time but mostly who could do a route with better mpg) they were getting some insane mileage with big ass boat v8 cars.. the dude with the lawnmower carb is kinda cool though
jolly_waffles_real@reddit
Like with any car maximising momentum will help a bit. But it's a lot of effort for a small small gain. UK here so excuse the language What I mean by that is joining or leaving the motorway/highway on the slip roads/on-/off ramps you coast from the speed limit down to what you'd need at the junction immediately after, so assuming 70mph to 5mph, you let off the power long before and let the car use engine brake the whole way.
Engine braking to the max will reduce fuel usage, but it requires much more literal forward thinking.
Hope that makes sense, gorgeous car hope it changes for you situation wise!
outline8668@reddit
I would think about an engine/trans swap. A little 4cyl VW diesel and a stick shift would have your rig in the 25-32 mpg range easy. But then again the sound of a sick cammed V8 is worth a few bucks in fuel too.
Hersbird@reddit
Your tune is off or the carb needs rebuilt. It can do better. It's also a dumb car to depreciate and risk as a daily. Find a $1500 beater and run that.
H0SS_AGAINST@reddit
Switching to a TBI system might net you some decent efficiency gains. If you're interested in tuning you can put an economy tune on it that pulls timing and leans it out.
Taller gearing might help too if it's running high RPM in top gear.
Overall you've got a very inefficient vehicle and without hypermiling it (accelerating like a grandma and never using the brakes unless you absolutely have to) I'd say >15mpg would be an accomplishment.
R2-Scotia@reddit
Fuel injection but you'd be kinda ruining a classic and it's not cheap
YeahIGotNuthin@reddit
Cool car.
But pretty much half of all the work engineers have done on cars in the last 55 years has been “making things use less fuel (and pollute less)” so you would want to duplicate their work as much as possible.
(The rest of the work has been “making them safer in a crash” and “making them cheaper to build.”)
A modern drivetrain would probably drop right in. It would change the whole character of the way that thing drives, but a modern transmission like the 8-speed zf automatic that’s in everything (all the rwd automatic dodges, BMWs and Alfas and jags and GM stuff) would give you tall gears on the highway and still plenty of pull off the line. A modern v8 with combustion chambers and intake paths and exhaust paths that have all been designed using mathematical flow modeling, would get more air more easily from the air filter to the valves and from the valves to the exhaust tips. Modern fuel injection would get the right amount of fuel to the combustion chamber mixed way better with the air and giving way better combustion than the wild-ass guess that is a carburetor and an intake manifold and 1970s cylinder heads and 1970s pistons and 1970s camshafts and an exhaust manifold, with a spinning distributor that uses A WEIGHT AND A SPRING to control its spark timing.
They are getting 17 city and 24 mpg highway out of a Ford v8 and automatic these days, in an F150 that is basically the size and weight of two Rancheros stacked on top of one another.
Taller gearing would get you part way there, which probably means “transmission with more gears” although a tall diff might help too, but there’s a lot of computational flow dynamics in a modern combustion chamber that helps them get 400 hp out of the new one while also polluting less and burning half the fuel.
The most likely answer is “enjoy it as is, buy a second more-modern appliance car to get you around when you’re not trying to have a fun ‘classic car’ experience.”
jules083@reddit
Yeah, not much you can do.
My buddy is running the Holly Sniper EFI in his truck. Has a late 80's Chevy S10 with a 383 and a 5 speed manual. I have no clue about gas mileage but the damn thing drives like a modern car with none of the expected quirks a carburetor has.
I always said that if I ever get another car to drive that came with a carb I'd put this system on. It's a standalone throttle body fuel injection system. Bolt it on in place of the carburetor, hook up a few sensors, and it's self tuning. I can't remember if there's 1 or 2 oxygen sensors that need wired in, you'd have to weld a threaded bung in the exhaust for them.
https://www.holley.com/products/fuel_systems/fuel_injection/sniper_efi/
JP147@reddit
When it comes to these old engines with carburettors, properly doing a "tune up" makes a big difference. If it is running poorly you can use double your fuel use, and if you get it running nicely you can use half the fuel.
- Use premium fuel with engines designed for leaded. You can get better power and fuel economy and it is better for the engine.
- Make sure your carburettor is clean and in good condition. If it hasn't been touched for a long time, consider stripping it down and giving it a clean and rebuild. Dirty jets could be wasting a lot of fuel.
- Correctly adjust the caburettor.
The ignition system is very important to power and fuel economy.
- Adjust your distributor heel gap at regular intervals, make sure to re-adjust the timing afterwards. Consider an electronic distributor for better consistency and less maintenance.
- Make sure the vacuum advance is set up correctly. Many people ignore this but it is the only way you can get good fuel economy while cruising with a big old V8.
- Spark plugs, cap and rotor, leads, etc. obviously.
OldeWorldWays@reddit
My 78 Bronco with a 460 says hello!
Sketch2029@reddit
Replace the engine with a more modern fuel injected V8. You can probably get more power along with significantly better mileage. I know little about Fords so I have no idea how physically compatible things are.
Swap in a taller rear end.
Learn to hypermile. Stay off the gas as much as possible.
Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit
That could do a lot better with some smart work.
AlaskaGreenTDI@reddit
While 8-11 is obviously going to kick you in the wallet, and as a percentage change 10-13 would be a lot better, it’s still going to kick you almost as hard. If you can’t afford to drive it at estimated mileage, it’s still going to be unaffordable with a slight bump in mpg. So go easy on your right foot, make sure no brakes or bearings are dragging at all, and either enjoy it or park it.
Gold-Foot5312@reddit
Looking ahead. The best mileage you can get is from steady driving. See the traffic light up ahead? Is it gonna turn red by the time you get there? Let off the gas and let the engine braking slow you down.
Cars in front of you doing stop and go? Leave some extra room and find a steady speed you can hold while they are still doing stop and go in front of you.
Roundabouts? Try to drive through them as straight as possible so you don't have to slow down too much. Also plan ahead, so you can find a gap to roll into instead of stopping and then looking.
Highway? Drive a bit slower but don't block faster traffic.
Turn off A/C.
Accelerate in a lower gear, cruise in a higher gear. For example, 1-2-4. Having higher revs in a lower gear means the car has better leverage/torque and makes more use of every drop of fuel. Cruising in high gear means better fuel economy.
Use downhills to gain a little extra speed. You can do this by keeping the gas pedal at the same spot, let the car accelerate a bit due to the downhill and then as you go uphill again, you can use that momentum to get to the top. You will lose your extra speed but won't have increased consumption.
Avoid driving in the same line as most other cars. The road is more uneven and worn, meaning more resistance for the tires. Especially in rain, you can drive a bit to the left or right in your lane and get much better fuel economy becuase you're not constantly rolling through water.
Blu_yello_husky@reddit
Turn off your a/c and make sure your tires are inflated properly. Also, try to keep your fuel level around 1/2 tank. The extra weight from a full tank will actually increase load enough that your mpg will decrease.
bushinkaishodan@reddit
Drive like there is an egg under the gas pedal
Monotone-Man19@reddit
Drive it imagining you don’t have any brakes. Every time you apply the brakes you have wasted fuel.
robindawilliams@reddit
Do not use A/C, drive like you've got a deck of cards balancing on the rear seat (soft slow driving) and make sure you've got good fresh air filter/spark plugs/etc.
Since the first two completely ruin the enjoyment out of what I assume is a large displacement V8, you can always just ride your bike for any drive under a few miles and consider that a debt of gas consumption back to yourself.
Few-Letter4776@reddit (OP)
yeah, lucky me I don't have to worry about that first one as the car doesn't have A.C. But I will do my due diligence to drive it like it always has the gas light on.
JCDU@reddit
Back in the day Sir Jackie Stewart did a load of driving technique videos, quite a few are on YouTube - his main thing was being smooth in everything you do, it's not only better but it's faster and more economical.
But u/robindawilliams sums it up pretty well, if you drive like you've got an open bowl of soup on the passenger seat you'll be smooth and save gas.
From the spec of the car you've posted, if it's on carbs & distrubutor moving to modern EFI that can run closed-loop with a lambda sensor will help it save fuel when cruising around, also look at your gearing.
robindawilliams@reddit
You can also make sure your tires are at the right pressure, your valves are properly adjusted, your carb is tuned correctly (if applicable) and your timing and spark is strong (if applicable).
Ideally you want it running top notch, and then to drive it softly whenever possible so it doesn't burn fuel using power you don't need.
AlphaDisconnect@reddit
Check your spark plugs and wires.
Make sure your air filter is ok.
Mass airflow sensor cleaner. Spray that thing clean.
Intake valve cleaner. Run that through. Especially if direct injection.
Make sure your tires are good.
Living_Fig_6386@reddit
You buy a car that’s inefficient, you take it on the chin like a good boy/girl.
There’s some practical limits to what you can do given the nature of the vehicle. Make sure it’s mechanically in good condition and tuned. You can drive slower, not run the AC, be easy on the acceleration, drive in a way that minimizes braking, and choose more efficient routes to drive (if you use a navigation app, some have ECO routing options). If it’s a pick-up truck, cover the bed. Slightly over-inflate the tires (they’ll wear a bit quicker).
ZealousidealPen7274@reddit
Waste of time asking me.
DonkeyImpossible316@reddit
Drive like there is a raw egg between your foot and the gas and brake pedal.
morality-comeback@reddit
Well, I try maintain car distance so I am pretty much cruising for the most parts even in city roads. I've seen so many people speed up only to break a few seconds later. Just pace yourself and plan your journey ahead. Hopefully your engine will thank you.
PCaBoo@reddit
reduce weight, improve aero if possible, drive slower, accelerate slow - keep your rpm's down as much as possible, coast more, borrow aero from cars/trucks ahead (aka drafting - safely), increase tire pressure, reduce ride height, tune your engine...
Prior-Conclusion4187@reddit
Drive the speed limit or below. Do NOT drive over 70 mph. Coast as much as you can. Accelerate softly.
No_Persimmon5725@reddit
Properly inflated tires according to the tire not the car as far as recommended psi. Remove unnecessary weight. Go easy on the gas. Buy quality fuel. Additives on occasion. Keep oil changed regularly. Windows up. Run A/C less often. Time lights. Stopping completely and getting going again uses a lot of gas!
Garet44@reddit
Long trips
Less braking (look far ahead, leave plenty of space, coast early)
Moderate speeds (try driving at the speed where you can just go into top gear, or as close to that speed as possible, usually 40-50 mph for automatic transmissions)
Minimize idling
Minimize stops. Try to use routes with fewer stop signs, traffic lights, or congestion.
Keep weight inside the vehicle and exterior accessories to a minimum.
Doing all of these, you can easily do 30% more than EPA estimates for any vehicle.
Glittering_Bar_9497@reddit
Let it coast down hills and before you get to the light, don’t go over 2k rpms( some people claim otherwise but so far it’s worked on all my vehicles). Properly inflated tires and planning your trips the clearest route. I had a 97 ranger with a air/evap leak and the gas mileage was bad but I managed to get 25 on the highway and about 17 in the city. Originally it was about 10 in the city and 20 highway. Also cruise control 55 mph max.
bfjt4yt877rjrh4yry@reddit
Use this mantra while driving: If you're not first, you're last.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Slow it down just a bit, improve your airflow in both your intake and exhaust, frequent oil changes and tune ups, remove any dumbass eBay wings you have
OppositeOk7074@reddit
Sadly the 351 cobra jet isn't really a fuel economical engine. They average about 10mpg in the city. You can try coasting and carb jet swapping and adjusting the timing or putting a smaller carb. But don't expect to get the mpg that newer vehicles get out of a motor thats not designed for it. Classics are costly but fun.
PinkGreen666@reddit
Barely press the gas to get up to speed. You don’t have to drive at a slow speed, just take longer to get to your desired speed.
3Green1974@reddit
Tips my car has given me to increase fuel economy.
dildozer10@reddit
Coast as much as possible, don’t use as much brake when no one is in front of you, get up hills quickly with as little throttle possible. That’s about all you can do.
Dexford211@reddit
Time it right so you can hit as many all green lights as you can.
howrunowgoodnyou@reddit
Stop using cruise control.
It’s not always about going slow. It’s about exerting a little energy as possible, over a set distance.
In my large van, for example, if there is a large downhill and uphill, I don’t just coast down the hill.
I slowly accelerate. I try to get as much speed as I can, but get on the gas not much, maybe 5-10% throttle. I then use that momentum to run up the next hill. When climbing, I try to use the gas a set amount but not enough to downshift; the goal is making it up to the top without the transmission downshifting.
If I know I won’t have enough speed to make it, I manually downshift out of overdrive so I can maintain the engine at a slightly higher rpm in the middle of that torque curve.
This has boosted my tank mpg from 13-14 to 16-17, which is a huge difference to be honest.
JoelJoelStinks@reddit
If it's a manual just don't get it above 2-3k rpms. You'll be slow but I've cranked out 32 mpg on a car rated for 24mpg.
u_siciliano@reddit
Coast to Stops and red lights. Easy in brakes. Don’t speed up fast.
LeckereKartoffeln@reddit
In my experience, it's a mix of things. Slow acceleration, with a light foot, coasting when you can, thinking about traveling a distance from stop to stop, etc. You don't have to crawl onto the freeway, knowing the amount of time it takes to get up to speed and the minimum input necessary makes a big difference. Getting on slow and then putting the pedal to the floor is less efficient than a slow and consistent push up to the proper speed.
Braking excessively is inefficient, that's time you could have been coasting. The more you brake, the more unnecessary fuel you've consumed to hit that brake point. Better to go light on the gas, light enough that you lose speed, and then let off at the right time to let the engine vacuum slow you down as much as you can before you brake.
Don't let other people set your tempo, slow acceleration to the speed is a huge difference to racing up to speed. You have to strike a balance between getting up to speed and going too slow.
ChrisGear101@reddit
Slow down. The easiest way to improve MPG is driving habits and speed. I guess having a healthy car is probably #1, but driving habits would be #2.