Turkish Ministry of Education just changed some terms used in schools
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Do you think the new ones are better or worse?
ahbirbilsen@reddit
Amklarım her iç haberi gidip Balkan sub’ına karma için meze yapmayı kesin. Üçkuruşluk karma için sizin gibi gereksiz Türk düşmanı dangalakların götünü yalıyorsunuz.
determine96@reddit
Speak in english.
Stop dog whistle like that.
en5ss@reddit
yok canim bunlar dost ya hani, “balkan typeee” dostlari ya beraber takilacaklar tabii, amk ezikleri. 2-3 m nufuslu tebaalara yalaklik yaparlar. biraz agirliginiz olsun diyoruz bi ton laf yiyoruz, sana da damlarlar simdi. igrenc mal ordusu hepsi.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
kimsenin sallamadığı batı avrupanın dilencisi olarak görülen su cimgeneleri bile tepemize çıkardılar.sunlar bile sabahtan alsama kadar türklere had bildiriyor.bunun gibiler sayesinde.yıldım artık çıkıyorum subdan.
en5ss@reddit
romanya haric 10 milyonu gecen bir ulke yok ve ustune ustluk ortalama yasi “ELLİ” (50) olan ulkecikler bunlar, lavuklarin tek derdi sensin, kulturlerini sen vermissin, senin altinda yasamislar, isimlerini bile sen vermissin, bizim insanimizin artik iyi niyet veya saflik dahi diyemiyorum bu esseklikten baska bisey degil cunku. boyle olmamali, cok uzuluyorum cok. icimizde bi dunya yavsak varken hala insanimizin durgunluguna eklenen bu essekligi..
ya birakin takilsinlar kardesim birak amk, senin ne gibi bir karin olabilir akla mantiga sigdiramiyorum cidden yok. ermeni yunan baklava yarrak kurek muhabbetler, bunlari umursayacak kadar asagi konumda misin sen amk? bu muhabbetleri yapacak adam siyasetci ve devlet gorevlisi, sen duz vatandassin. git interneti adam gibi kullan ya valla cildiriyorum tez yazacagim bi gun. maresalin er ile laf dalasina girmesine benziyor.
onu diyene ana avrat sov cik git yahu adam gidiyor 354 sayfa pdf atip bak dogrusu bu diyor 1+1 34k kirali evinden. bu salaklarin seviyesine dusmeyin, zira sizden baska hayata tutunacak dallari yok. ulkeleri bitik. turkiye ve turk insani daha bu asagilik seviyeye gelmedi.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
kesinlikle.zaten herhangi birşey anlatmak zaman kaybı.herseyi kendilerinin en dogru bildiğini sanıyorlar.aksi fikir belirtirsen “turkish propaganda” bla bla.kendileri hiç propaganda yemiş mi bunu sorgulamıyorlar.erdoğanı milliyetçi falan sanıyorlar ya en çok ona yarılıyorum. bütün nüfusu dahi istanbul’u dolduramaz hala constantinapolis peşinde bazısı.diğeri 3 milyon türkü hem katketti hem sürdü ama türklere soykırımcı diyor.ahahaha komedi gibi.
en5ss@reddit
akli basinda birini gorunce nasil seviniyorum anlatamam, ulkeyi o kadar bilmiyorlar ki asil propaganda yemeyen kesim zaten sen ben gibi insanlar, biz aklimizi temiz tuttuk, objektif bir sekilde kendi bakis acimizi ve tarafimizi savunduk diye bizi algici saniyorlar, bunu tum ciddiyetle soyluyorum. bu ulkede yapilan tam tersi. tamamen sunla iyi ol bunla da ol onunla da ol uzerine kurulu. bu eziklik 200 yillik bir kompleksin urunu, haliyle karsindaki buna alisinca aslini soyleyen birine propaganda yapiyorsun diyecek tabii. cunku bize bunu alistirdilar.
biz iyilik melegi olacagiz, merhamet timsali olacagiz, kimseye karismayacagiz. neden? e sen kurtulus savasini kazandin, bizim gibi 90larda kurulsan (kurulmayip soyun kurutulsa) sana yapilan haksizliklari konusurduk derler. gun sonunda karsi cikip boyun egmedigin icin zamaninda sana yapilanlar halinin altina supuruluyor. cunku onlara gore ezilen halk savas kazanamaz, acizdir. herkesi kendileri gibi biliyorlar cunku.
yns1899@reddit
biz soykırım yapıldı diye ağlamıyoruz ki, sizin sabıkanız bizden fazla bize 100 senedir ahlak dersi veriyorsunuz dinime küfreden müslüman olsa ben orta asya dan geldim ben daha fazla mı suçlu mu oluyorum bu nasıl mantık ? Ayrıca arkadaş paşalar gibi sosyalist.
muzername@reddit
Redditteki Türkleri milliyetçilik yaparak mı eleştiriyorsunuz. Kafaya bak, nüfus üzerinden üstünlük taslıyor. Siktirin gidin bol karbonhidrarlı diyeti bizi zıkkımlanırken yusuf tekin izleyip 31 çekin. Millet ne paylaşacağını sizin gibi kölelerden öğrenecek değil.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
milliyetçiyiz demedik? bunu etkileşim malzemesi yapmasını eleştirdik. belki etniği türk bile değildir.burada bisürü türkiyede yaşayan azınlık mensupları var.
muzername@reddit
Milliyetçi olman için ne yapmam lazım, her sabah kahvaltıda iki tane Yunan bebeğiyle beslenince mi milliyetçi olduğununuzu kabul edeceksiniz? Siz zaten her şeysiniz. Sosyalist de sizsiniz, vatansever de milliyetçi de... Virüs gibi enfekte edip devletçi ideolojilere uydurmaya çalışmadığınız hiçbir alan yok. Adamlar yirmi senede yapay tarih oluşturdu gittikçe de içine ediyorlar, siz de gelmişsiniz burda bu durumlarla dalga geçilmesini "başkalarına yaranmak" gibi ipe sapa gelmez şeylerle açıklıyorsunuz. Ulan ege Denizi'nin ismini adalar denizi yapmak kadar komik bir şey olamaz, ne var bununla dalga geçilmesinde. Ne oluyor burada paylaşınca, Slavlar gelip altına mı yatacak paylaşan adamın? Eu pasaportu mu verecekler?
Zihniyetiniz sizi ele veriyor. Yok nüfusu şu kadarı geçmeyen milletlere yaranmak. Ulan nüfus bir konuda belirleyici olsa, dünyanın en müreffeh ülkesi Hindistan olurdu. Sizin yaptığınızın orman yangınları sırasında "help turkey" Demek bizi rezil ediyor diyen AKP'lilerin bakış açısından ne farkı var?
en5ss@reddit
sana gore pusulanin 4 parcasindan birinde olmayan kisi bir dusunceyi destekleyemiyor mu brom? yanlis mi anladim? o kadar sig bir bakis acin var ki milliyetcilik uzerine dem vurup ornegini bebek yemekle destekliyorsun, sigligin daniskasi amina koyim. hitler miyiz oglum hayirdir?
yapay tarih ne mesela? 20 yilda gecmis 80 yila gore ne degisti oglum ezberden konusmayin senin gibileri cok cignedim ben, tarih 5. sinif kitabina gore yazilmiyor merak etme. ha sen vikipedia ustunden kaynak atan bi gpt lover oldugundan anliyorum kafa yapini, zira insanlari kaliba sokan tavirlarda bulunup enfekte diyebilme curetinde bulunuyorsun. otur 0.
nufus konusunu savunma sekline de bam gum gittim bu arada. daha balkanlar ve tr nufus karsilastirmasinin korelasyonunu bilmeden gitmis dunyanin ilk akla gelen ornegini verip bilmislik taslamis hahaha rezilsin amk.
muzername@reddit
Velhasıl hiçbir açıklaman olmadı tamamen işi ad homineme vurdun. Ama bu açıklaman zihninin soyut düşünme ve mecazı algılama konusundaki kabiliyetleri hakkında bana yeterli fikri verdi. Adamlara milliyetçilik olmadığını iddia ettiğiniz şey milliyetçilik, milliyetçi olmamanız için bu kadar absürt şeyler yapmanıza gerek yok diyorum. Biz niye bebek yiyelim cani miyiz diyor:)) onu anlamadın, bunu Vikipedi'de, ona bam güm patladım, bunu bilmiyorsun. Gördüğün gibi sana getirilen hiçbir eleştiriye karşımmantıklı bir savunma geliştiremedin. Bir de sonuna hahaha ekleyince oturup kendi egonu okşarsın. Sizden asgari düzeyde mantıksal tutarlılık bile beklemiyorum zaten de boş laflarınızla böyle bilgiç pozları kesme bize götümle bile gülmüyorum ben. Acınacak durumdasınız.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
biz kimiz? sen kimsin? ben ldp üyesiyim mesela ne milliyetçisi ahahahah.solcular ideolojik eksenleri algılayamıyor. herseye indirgemeci,siyah-beyaz yaklaşıyor.kabilecilikleri de var ayrıca.
muzername@reddit
Ya sürekli bir şey olduğumu varsayma salaklığından kurtulsak iyi edersin. Solcu falan değilim, sikimde bile değil solcular. Yani işi gelip kürtsün di mi, parazitsinize bağlayan ahmak bir milliyetçinin, psikolojik tahlillerine itibar etmek istemiyorum açıkçası. Ldp'li olsan ne olur olmasan ne olur amk. MHP kadar resmi ideolojinin köpeği olmuş bir parti LDP. Adamlar bir tek ekonomik liberalizm peşinde (o da kısmen) gerisi beton millet sakarya. Türkiye'de liberal bir parti yok, sen de kanıtısın.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
nesin o zaman acıkla kendini.herseye muhalefet ediyorsan kendini nerede konumlandırıyorsun? çsenşn çözümün ne?
muzername@reddit
Kendimi sizin konumlandırdığınız hiçbir yerde konumlandırmak zorunda değilim. İstediğim her şeye de muhalefet edebilirim. Bir şeye muhalefet ederken de size ezbere saldıracağınız sabit bir noktada bulunduğumu söylemek zorunda değilim.
Kendinizi şu veya bu parti üyesi zannediyor olabilirsiniz; ama hepiniz apolitiksiniz. LDP, CHP, zafer, iyip veya MHP üyesi olmanız bir şey değiştirmiyor. Hepinizin resmi ideoloji tarafından beyni yıkanmış, sürekli büyüklenmeci eğilimlerin içindesiniz. Hiçbir siyasi görüşünüz olmadığı konusunda sizi temin ederim. Zaten tartışmalarınız gelip vaaay commiexd noktasına gelip dayanıyor. Sizi tek bir şey birleştiriyor bu ülkede Kürt düşmanlığı. Üstün olma sanrılarınızı kısmen tatmin ediyor bu ortaklığınız. O sebepten artık Türk milliyetçiliğinin siyasi bir yanı olmadığı kanaatindeyim. Yeni nesille beraber hele hele, tamamen bir psikoza dönüşmüş bir girdap bu.
Artık ülkede hiçbir önemi kalmamış bıyıklarıyla, attıkları salak sloganlarla, içtikleri tütünlerle iyice karikatüre dönüşmüş solcu prototipine de öyle bir saldırıyorsunuz ki, bilmeyen ülkenin yüzde seksenini solcu zanneder. Kanka bir şey kalmadı bu ülkede. Artık hepsi sizsiniz. Siz kanziler ve AKP, başka hiçbir şey yok. Buyrun birbirinizi balkan sublarına rezil etmeden düzeltin meseleyi. Hoş Türk forumlarında söyleyince de biriniz diğerini terörist ilan ediyorsunuz. Çıldırmış bu ülke.
Liberal demokrat Parti başkanı seçimde karşısına rakip çıktı diye ama avrat küfürler ediyor, deniz Baykal'dan daha kemalist. Böyle liberali çamurdan yaparım abi.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
anladım. sosyalistsin. bunu açıklamak bu kadar zor olmamalı. whataboutismlerle kocaman bir paragraf yazmışsın.
muzername@reddit
Ya işte salaksın amk aklın almıyor. Sosyalistsem sana sosyalistim derim. Sosyalist değilim diyorum, sosyalistsin diyor. Hasta mısın?
eleutheromaniann@reddit
tam olarak neye karşı çıkıyorsun? herseye saldırıyorsun? çözüm ne ideolojik eksenin ne diyorum “kanzisin hüüü“ diyorsun. yaşın kaç senin allah aşkına ya. çözümü söyle çözümü.nerde yanlış yapıyoruz ne açıdan yanlış bakıyoruz.anlatsana.
muzername@reddit
Sana az bile söylüyorum. Milliyetçi değilim diyorsun, sonra ldp'ye üyeyim diyorsun, sonra kürtsün dimi xdxd diyorsun. Taksim delisi Cenk'in bile senden daha tutarlı siyasi görüşleri vardır belki.
Ne anlatayım sana? Boş bir tartışma dönüyor burada. Bir yerde bir şeyler paylaşılınca "vay efendim bizi rezil ediyor" Çocukça şeyler bunlar ya. Ulan sosyal medya, dünyanın öbür yanında osuran birinin haberi diğer yanına ulaşıyor. Her millet iç politikayla ilgili haberleri paylaşıyor. Türkler kadar özgüvensizi var mı bu konuda acaba sürekli "bizi rezil etmeyin" Diye ortalıkta dolanan?
Ya böyle bir mantık var mı? Hangi millet kendisi dışındaki bütün insan topluluklarına eleştiriyi yasaklayarak, sadece kendi kendisini eleştirerek gelişebilir? Bu nasıl bir akılsızlık ya? Etrafındaki her insanın senin hakkında yorum yapmasını engelleyerek, bir tek kendine, kendini eleştiri hakkı tanıyarak hatalarını düzeltebilir misin?
Yok Bulgarlar bizi öldürmüş, Yunanlar bizi öldürmüş. Eee sen ne yaptın? 500 sene işgal etmedin mi adamların ülkesini? Çocuklarını ellerinden alıp sultanın kapısına kul yapmadın mı? Topraklarına sistematik olarak yerleşmedin mı? Ne cevap vereceklerdi sana gül mü atacaklardı?
eleutheromaniann@reddit
tamam kardesim. r/turkey yapalım burayı.sabahtan akşama kadar avrupalı efendilerimizle ne kadar berbat insanlar oldugujuzu konuşalım. biz barbariz,faşistiz,ermeni soykırımı,kıbrıs işgali falan filan. kanzi değiliz çok şükür.
en5ss@reddit
sanirim turkler her gun bulgarlar ve yunanlar bizi soykirdi deyip aglama malzemesi yapiyor? son 2-3 yilda insanlarin aklina gelip konusu acilmadigini bilmiyor, konusunun acilma sebebinin internet ortamiyla gelen yunan gibi toplulukların ikiyuzlulugunu oldugunu bilmiyor. turkler yenilip anadoluya dondu, bir tane turk cikipta bizi soykirdiniz demis mi 100 yilda? cunku turkler savasi soykirima baglayacak kadar ezik bir millet degil-miş. ama sagolsunlar insanlarin gozunu actilar :).
savas kazanip soykirim yapmak mesruymus ayrica 🤷♂️
eleutheromaniann@reddit
aynen öyle. kayıtlar ortada. 3 milyon türk yok? ne oldu bunlara? hiçbir türk bunu konuşmuyor çünkü türkler balkan’daki savaşı kaybettiklerinin ve bunun sonucunda çok fazla kayıp yaşandığının farkında. gidip de milleti soykırımcı etmiyor. bisürü hesap açıp sürekli “soykırımcı türkler never forget ühüüü” diye propaganda yapmıyor. çok değil daha 90larda yüzbinlerce boşnağı biçen sırp bana akıl veriyor burda mesela😅 bunun sebebi bile türklerin tepkisizliği.
en5ss@reddit
tepkisizlikle kalsa cidden derdim yok, insanimiz gidip karsiyi savunuyor o hem komigime hem gucume gidiyor. karsinda humanist bi topluluk varmis gibi dogru yanlis ayirt edip ona gore davraniyoruz. komik.
ilk yorumda da diyorum 100 yil onceki konulari konusuyorlar hala, ya birak sal yakami kardesim ben dogali 70-80 yil gecmis ustunden ben yapmadim abim. buyuyemeyen hala ilkel topluluk bunlar diyoruz hop turkce konusan biri yunani savunuyor te allam. bitti gitti kardesim birakin bu isleri bak bugun kurtleri kullanipta aynisini yapiyolar akil yok ki. kurtlerin cogu e devlette 1800e kadar gider lavuk kalkmis kurdistan istiyorum löö diyor. otur oturdugun yerde amk. ahmet kaya’ya catal firlatildi diye ulke kurma bi zahmet. yeterince ekstraniz var zaten.
muzername@reddit
Abi tamam hiçbiri değilsiniz ya. Süper insanlarız hepimiz, dünyadaki bütün milletler ve devletler türlü türlü katliamlar yapmışken bizimki hiçbir şey yapmadı. Biz süperiz. Bulgarlara, Yunanlara medeniyet götürdük. Bizi öldüren ermenilerdi. Araplar da bizi sırtımızdan vurdu. Almanlar da yenilince biz de yenik sayıldık. Yeter ki birileri bizi eleştirip utandırmasın, bütün her şeye gözümüzü yumarız.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
hala siz biz diyorsun. kardeşim sen kimsin? biz kimiz? allah askına açıkla artık. ben demiş miyim hiçbiri yaşanmadı. bu subdaki insanlar herseyi dibine kadar inkar ediyorken niye sürekli türkler konuşuluyor diyorum. benim bütün ailem giritte öldürüldü. bu insanlara bunu söylesen buna bile “turkish propaganda” der. böyle insanlara oturup neyi konuşacaksın. türklerin tarih müfredatı konusulacak yer mi burası? sunduğun bir fikir yok çözüm yok sürekli saldırı modundasın.
muzername@reddit
Edebilirler, sen de etmiyor musun? Edeni de olacak etmeyeni de olacak her milletten olduğu gibi. İnkar etme hakkı bir tek sana mı ait?
Hayır diyorsan ki bu milletlerin içinde tek bir tanesi bile yaptıkları hataları kabul etmez, ama biz Türkler çok yüce gönüllü olduğumuz için kabul ediyoruz... İşte bu nokta tam bir çelişkiler yumağı. Nasıl senin milletin her türlü dalyarağı barındırıyorsa başkasının milleti de barındıracak. Bugün hala sömürgecilik faaliyetleriyle dünyaya medeniyet götürdük diye eylemleri aklamaya çalışan bir sürü Amerikalı dallama var; ama milyonlarca insan da yaptıkları soykırımı kabul ediyor. İnsanlar çeşit çeşit, farklı görüşleri olacak herkesin. Senin ülken nasıl milliyetçiliğe sığınıp yaptığı hataları çoğu zaman kabul etmiyorsa onlarınki de etmeyecek. Sokaktan on tane adam çevir bakalım Türkler kime zulm etti diye sor. Dokuz tanesi biz asla öyle bir şeyy yapmadık tarihimiz boyunca der sana. Yunan da böyle yapınca neden şaşırıyorsun?
Yanlışı kimin yaptığına bağlı olarak değerlendiriyorsunuz her meseleyi. Tarafsız bakanların, ikisi de yanlış diyenlerin canına okuyorsunuz. Millet ağzını açamıyor korkudan. Ya terörist ilan ediliyor ya Kürt ya hain. Sen de iki sıkışınca hemen Kürt mürt diye sallıyorsun. Apaçık ırkçılık yapıyorsun ama popüler olduğu için bu sana normal geliyor. Bir millete virüssünüz diyebiliyorsun kolaylıkla.
Senin ailen gibi bu dünyada ailesi başka dinden, milletten olan daha güçlü insanların boyunduruğu altındayken katledilmiş milyonlarca insan var. Kendininkinin acısını yaşarken başkalarınınkini inkar etmekle eline ne geçiyor.
Hakikaten resmi ideoloji yok etmiş sizi ya. Ne dediğinizi bilmiyorsunuz. Önce yapmadık diyorsunuz, sonra önce onlar yaptı biz sadece cevap verdik diyorsunuz, sonra yaptıysak iyi yaptık diyorsunuz her seferinde böyle oluyor. Ya hu bir katliam, soykırım iddiasıyla ilgili "yaptıysak iyi yaptık" Diyen insanlarla ne konuşulabilir? Senin ailenle ilgili "yaptıysak iyi yaptık" Deseler ne düşünürsün?
eleutheromaniann@reddit
diyorlar zaten🤣 pis türkleri iyi ki kovduk modundalar. eski gönderileri tara bulursun. ben yapmadık demiyorum.sen kimden bahsediyorsun bilmiyorum. bizde herkes gibi yaptık. ama bu subda sabah aksm türklerin konuşulması kabak tadı veriyor artık. çoğu yunan kürt falan da türk larpı yapıyor istelik. türkleri rage bait için kullanıyorlar. ve evet buna virüs denir.
muzername@reddit
E tamam abi liberal demokrat partide başarılar o zaman. Sen de karşına bir rakip çıkınca liberal liberal küfür eder, Kürtleri tehcir edelim diye politika üretirsin, ne diyeyim.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
yine whataboutism. neyse iyi günler kardeşim yeter bu kadarı.
en5ss@reddit
son paragraf gulduruyor.
en5ss@reddit
salcaciymis. salca olmayi seviyor.
en5ss@reddit
ortada elestirdigin bir durum goremedim kardesim, ondan “ad hominem” yapiyorum, bi anda resmi triplere girip pozisyonunu degistirmeye kalkma. felsefe yapacaksak bayilirim ama derdim o degil bence, sence?
2 yazidir anlat diye topu sana atiyorum bakalim bi tartisma cikarabilecek misin diye, adalar denizi olmus o olmus bu olmus bununla ilgili bi derdim mi var? ana yorum uzerinden toplumun hakkinda bir tartisma dondurmusum, post ile ilgili yorumum dahi yok. konuyu anlamadigin burdan belli. kitap oku biraz.
sen gibilerin ortak sorunu bu zaten, ister alin ister alinma. once yaftalarsiniz, karsida disli biri cikinca ayni bu pozisyona giriyorsunuz, olmuyor. surekli kendimi soru sorarken buluyorum cunku tartisma yeteneginiz zayif, konuyu anlayabileceginiz yerlere getirmekle yukumlu degilim oglum ben, biraz ogrenin artik. yok siktir git 31 cek yarragimi ye falan ee kanka sonrasinda ne bu cb tripleri? bastan dedigime ters cevapla gelsen guzel bi ortam olusurdu, ama dedigim gibi o muhakeme yetenegi yok mlsf. hala milliyetci zirvaliyor mesela ahh ahh. kendisi hint ornegi verirken sorun yok bebek ornegini bahsedince gulucuk atiyor. orada ne vurguladigini bilmiyor muyum kankam?
bak orijinal konu hakkinda hep bireysel cerceveden dusunmeni tavsiye ederim, karsidan iyilik goremedigin bi durumda halen yardima devam eder misin? ediyorsan pekala karismam haddime degil. enayiligine karisacak degilim.
muzername@reddit
Bir iddian yok ki oğlum mal mısın? Bizi elaleme rezil mi edeceksiniz diyen aile babası dallamalığından başka bir iddian mı var. Bir de onlar üç kişi biz beş diye bir üstünlük taslayacağın tuttu, nüfusun bir övünç kaynağı olamayacağına dair örneklerle götünde patladı bu mevzu da. Ne felsefesi xd nüfus felsefesi mı yapıyorsun? Kartezyen diyalektik mi kanka? 80 milyonum o halde varım mı?
Bence sen de bu işi mantıksal tutarlılık ve argüman noktasından çıkarıp kankin gibi "kürtsün di mi" noktasına bağla. Eninde sonunda geleceğin nokta orası zaten, zaman kaybetmeyelim.
en5ss@reddit
ya ahh essegim benim ahh ahhhh amk ahhh kafami duvarlara vurasim geldi. akp egittigin insanlari sikiyim adam neler diyor ya yuh amk.
ana postta rezil ettiniz bizi dedigim veya yakinindan gectigim bir cumle var mi? gosteremezsen seninle cok buyuk isimiz var.
nufus mu? really? onun iliskisini kuramadigini 2 yazi once yazdim alzheimer kardesim benim, ornekler dedigi hindistan amk agliyorum gulmekten. 2. sinif cocugunun aklina gelen ilk ornek. balkan/tr arasindaki iliskiyi soruyoruz got oldun falan diyor tartismaktan bihaber oldugunu yazdim zaten ancak sen zafer kazanmaya yorduguna gore asosyal olma ihtimalin baya yuksek. hayattaki tek basarin olurdu di mi? ad hominem yaptigim kardesim benim :)
“nufus felsefesi mi yapiyorsun” hell no man.
ayrica laflarimi tekrar ettirme bana. iqless amk.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
adalar denizi osmanlı’da yaygın kullanılan bir tabirdi. git araştır. ha bana kalırsa bence de oldukça gereksız hamleler okullarda sabun yok daha. ama bunu biz kendi aramızda tartışmalıyız. balkan subuna, hali hazırda türklerden pek de hoşlanmayan ünsankara bunun hakkında ne düşünüyorsun diye soruyorsan sen etkileşim bağımlısısındır.gelecek cevapar az bucuk belki çünkü. karma kasan adamı bile savunuyorsunuz.
muzername@reddit
Eee? Osmanlı nasıl otorite oluyor bu konuda? Hem bizi ne ilgilendiriyor osmanlının böyle bir kullanımda bulunması, Osmanlı İmparatorluğu mu bu ülkenin adı? İstanbul'a da Konstantiniyye de o zaman?
eleutheromaniann@reddit
yunanlar bu subda eokanın türklere işledikleri katliamı konuşuyor mu? bulgarlar sğrdüğü türkleri? sırplar kazıktan geçirdiği türkleri? herkes kendi işine bakıyor. biz niye alakasız bir şekilde balkan subunda tarih müfredatımızı tartışalım? manası ne? üç beş tane cingene türklere bakıp egosunu tatmin etsin diye mi? gerçekten anlamıyorum kürt falan mısın ne diyorsun sen. ayrıca türkiye osmanlı’nın dış borçlarını üstlenerek zaten devamıyız rolünü aldı. konstantiniyye de diyebilirsin ama orası coğrafi olarak istanbul'un küçük bir kısmını içeriyor.keyfin bilir.ikiside yunanca zaten.
muzername@reddit
Milliyetçi değilim, Türkiye'de bir sürü azınlık yaşıyor. Beş dakika sonra: Kürt falan mısın sen? Djdjejekndrn
eleutheromaniann@reddit
evet belli kürtsün.bu fikirler ancak averaj bir kürtten gelirdi zaten.daha önemli dertleriniz var türkleri salın.
muzername@reddit
Önce Türkçede noktalama işaretlerinden sonra boşluk bırakılacağını öğren zır cahil. Yazın gözlerimi kanatıyor. Her milliyetçi gibi sen de Türkçe bilmiyorsun ve aptalsın, hadi naş.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
bu subda ne işin var balkan kökenli kürtler de mi var yoksa? işiniz gücünüz medyada anti türk propagandası yaymak başlığı açan da kürtmüş zaten. parazitsiniz yemin ederim.
muzername@reddit
Ne kadar ahmaksın ya seninle aynı fikirde olmayan herkese kürt diyorsun. Solucanların düşünme yetenekleri bile sizinkinden daha gelişkin. Ucube.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
%70 liseli commie %90 paintten harita çizen kürt. tarafını seç.
en5ss@reddit
ne milliyetciligi ne nufusu bilader. okuma yazma ogreten hocani sikeyim senin. neyi savundun bunu yazarak? nufustan ustunluk taslamakta sorun neymis anlat bakalim genc adam.
muzername@reddit
Ulan hakkaten eşeklik bu kadarı. Sorun neymiş diyor. Hintliler ile Amerikalılar tartışırken hint üstünlüğünü de nüfus üzerinden kursun o zaman xd ama gerçek şu ki bir tanesinin ülkesinin yüzde doksanında kanalizasyon sistemi bile yokken, diğeri her alanda dünyanın polisliğini yapıyor. Genç menç diyor bir de. Birader bak 25 yaşını geçmiş ve bu gerzekçe düşünceleri savunuyorsan kopar at o kafayı. 12 yaşında lol oynayan bebe de "amına goyim bir milyonluk nöfoslu ölke de zart zurt" diyor.Her şeyi geçtim gelişmişlik düzeyinin en bariz göstergelerinden biri doğum artış oranları. Yirmi seneye dünyanın en müreffeh toplumları Afrika'da mı olacak yani? Ya her şeyi geçtim "bizi evropaya rezil ediyürsünüz" haricinde bu saçmalıklar konusunda söyleyecek bir sözünüz var mı?
eleutheromaniann@reddit
bu subdaki türklerden bıktım.redditi daha aklı başında türkler kullanıyor sanıyordum ama hepsi ergen.sırf etkileşim gelsin millet biraz daha türklere sövsün diye paylaşmış sunu. utanç verici.
ahbirbilsen@reddit
O kadar salak bir milletiz ki Kenan Evren’nin Avrupa’dan vize istemesi gibi gidip yabancı modlardan Türk paylaşımlarını otomatik silmelerini istemek lazım. Propaganda bile yapamayan aşağılık kompleksli mal ordusu hepsi. Yarardan çok zararları var. Yarrak31miş. Fetöcü kılıklı yavşak seni.
Kitsooos@reddit
Aegean sounds too Greek for their liking I guess.
Why not butcher some Greek phrase though ? As per the norm.
They could do "Is Egeon Pelagos --> Isegplin"
MerTheGamer@reddit
In Turkish, Crusades are literally called "Campaign of Crossed (Ones)". They basically changed it to "Attack of Crossed (Ones)". Normally, the new ones makes from our PoV but the government's ultimate goal is to demonize Christians and create a new generation of religious nutjobs.
chrstianelson@reddit
It's crucifix not crossed, lol.
MerTheGamer@reddit
Nah, we call it "Haçlı Seferleri", not "Çarmıhlı Seferleri". Cross is the right one for literal Turkish translation.
bodhiquest@reddit
Cross and çarmıh are the same thing here. A crucifix is completely different in that they are usually religious objects representing the crucifixion, rather than being crosses that you can crucify someone on.
"Çarmıh" specifically refers to a cross as an execution object if I'm not mistaken, while "haç" is cross in the large sense. It would make no sense to call them "çarmıhlı" because the Crusaders were not carrying execution crosses, they got their name from cross symbols on their garments. So "haçlı" is a very good term.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Do they call the expansion of Islam the Muslim attacks, or does that get a pass I guess lol.
Emotional_Charge_961@reddit
Language in Turkish textbooks is very delicate and soft. Literally there is no mention of killing, murder, persecution, violence coming from Turkish and Muslim states in the books. Historical Turkic countries were like paradise and Turkish rulers were angels. They also repeat word of Turkish and Muslim civilizations multiple times because "civilization" term has positive connotation. In general, always words with positive connotations used for Turkic kingdoms.
Terms conquer, stop the chaos, set order, ensure equality and justice, develop the country, being tolerant, war broke out due to enemy state's agression or provacation are used when talking about Ottomans. When talking about Western countries, terms such as invade, occupy, exploit (in Turkish "exploit" and exploitation term used instead of colonize, colonization), massacre, persecution, genocide, attack, put countries under her yoke are used.
This_Lion5856@reddit
No wonder so many Turks are completely delulu when it comes to history
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
I swear it is always a bulgarian with these comments. Wtf is wrong with your education system?
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Bulgarias have a very pro Soviet education system.
On the other hand, Turkish people deny stuff when even the whole damn world says "no, you're wrong", and the Turks won't budge.
It's like a kid with chocolate on his face swearing to God he didn't eat any of the cake.
Take Cyprus, even Turkeys closest international allies refuse to recognize northern Cyprus, and Turkish people here will tell you Turkey is right.
BacGmen@reddit
The whole world? You mean European countries?
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
No, Turkeys closest political allies refuse to acknowledge northern Cyprus as a state.
Only Turkey does, which is why it won't properly invest etc in the Island, no one can properly insure the companies etc because it's considered stolen land.
raceregos@reddit
Get off your high horse.
WackyShirt@reddit
Funny you say this because my experience is the opposite.
I went to school in the USA, but growing up, my mother bought Turkish history textbooks corresponding to my grade level.
In my experience, Turkish books used identically neutral language on matters of past wars, and conflicts, but stressed the importance of their respective Independence Wars.
The big difference between my American and Turkish history textbooks was that Turkish books avoided naming ethnicity of the enemy, and used the historical term for the kingdom/people as they were referred to in that time whereas the American books always mentioned present day ethnic group corresponding to that region.
Teaching it the Turkish way actually makes it so that you don't have any grudges against your present day neighbors because you grow up learning they're not the same people. I was talking to a Chinese friend about this and she also mentioned it it's the same in China.
Ironically, the changes are now closer to how history is taught in western schools. At least in my own experience.
Emotional_Charge_961@reddit
Then you have limited experience and only read couple pages of Turkish textbooks.
yesilfes@reddit
As if all other countries dont do the same
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
You are talking to an alt-right anti-turkish larper.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
It's not good as it's 2026 and there is no honesty coming from the culture as a whole due to this, honestly some Turkish people, a lot even, look insane when they talk about Turkey on certain subjects.
I'm British. Am I proud to be English? Yes. I think my country did a lot of good things, was strong and smart in a military sense etc.
But do I think Britain was also evil? Yes. We did loads of messed up stuff, we forced Ireland to grow mainly potatoes for us then let them starve when a disease killed off most of the crops. We killed millions of people all over the world for money.
When you talk to Turkish people about eg Cyprus there is no honesty at all.
littletomato93@reddit
An average Turk don’t even know about the history of the island at all, so they don’t have even basis to argue. And to be fair western narrative on Cyprus is that everything was great until 1974, which is historically so inaccurate considering that UN Peacekeepers had been on the ground since 1962 and a buffer zone already existed within the island. So it’s not like other party knows what they are talking about either.
cenkxy@reddit
Crusader attacks brought some land but not a real expansion.
There are Tatar/Mongolian Attacks to Europe that could be also named similarly.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Crusades were just a retaliation to aggression Islamic expansionism. Forced conversions to Islam started to reach southern Europe, so Christian nations pushed it back, some times successfully and sometimes not.
AmTheAnzhel@reddit
It was in response to the sultanate of Rum being carved out of the Byzantines and barring Christian pilgrims from going to Jerusalem.
Not to mention the Northern crusades, which have a lot more 'we must conquer and convert these pagans'
Bubbly-War1996@reddit
Because as we all know attacks are evil and barbarian while campaigns are... Civilized and full of flowers and smiles? The only difference is the level of organisation between the two.
ilovesimius@reddit
Sea of Islands (Adalar Denizi) is apparently a really old term (1000s) for Aegean Sea so I guess that is fine. I kinda like how it sounds in Turkish too. But the Crusade change is quite shallow and stupid. Labeling it as an "Attack" makes it sound way less extensive than it was. But then again, our ministery of education is a moron so I'm not surprised.
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
Thousands? Turks didn't exist in the region thousands of years ago. The original name is Aegean sea. I bet you don't even know why it was called that. Google it. Open your eyes to some history of the western world and how many places are named from Greek mythology, including the word Europe, or should they change that to a Turkish name as well?
raceregos@reddit
Why so triggered? That term was being used back then. Why do you even care about how we call it? It's nothing new.
That's pitty. You are not the only side of history.
ilovesimius@reddit
Some of you greeks are so offended just by our existence that its blocking your comprehension abilities. Sea of Islands is the Turkish name for Aegean Sea, originating from 11th century Selcuks. The sea has been called that by turks until very recently. What we call it is none of your business. We aren't forcing anyone to call it Sea of Islands.
Future-Actuator488@reddit
Come on. Not everything is related to Greeks.
Sea is Islands is older name for Agean coast. Though this change was unnecessary.
For Crusades, "sefer" is not negativity by nature, attack is directly negative
Kitsooos@reddit
It's been called "Aegean Sea" for the last 3000 years.
Prior to that, before the Greeks arrived in the region, it was called "Sea of Kithira". "Kithira" is a pre-Greek ward.
It's unofficial "nickname" in ancient times was "the Archipelago", which means "the main Sea".
Future-Actuator488@reddit
Yes whole region is Greek and you will take it some day, I know
Also called the white sea. changing to white sea, as in order of Atatürk in the final orders
Still find these change unnecessary, who cares the name?
PONT05@reddit
> who cares the name?
Clearly the ones that want to change it lol
Future-Actuator488@reddit
So? How many are they?
You Greeks think like everything in Turkey is about you. That is unfounded
-MrAnderson@reddit
No, we don't; and in this case, it's obvious that the change is related to Greeks. Do you doubt it?
Future-Actuator488@reddit
My friend, we don't care about you that much.
PONT05@reddit
You sure?
Future-Actuator488@reddit
Turkish media, Turkish news ...
Have you seen them yourself? I am Turkish. Why I don't see. You can use google translate. Read Turkish newspapers.
And honestly, Greece-Turkish conflict is really stupid. Even Germany and France are partners now.
-MrAnderson@reddit
You're conflicting between your view/wish on Greco-Turkish relationship and the reality of this relationship.
puzzledpanther@reddit
Does Germany or France have a casus belli against the other?
PONT05@reddit
No, not everything, just that thing :)
Michitake@reddit
When the Turks first arrived, they called it "Adalar denizi"(Sea of Islands) This has nothing to do with earlier usages. It wasn't a particularly necessary move the change name though
PONT05@reddit
I wonder if Anatolia is too Greek for their liking too, or Istanbul
Kitsooos@reddit
I am pretty sure that at least 90% of Turks don't know that Anatolia is a Greek word. If they did, they would have already found a different name for it.
Istanbul is technically Greek, but it's so butchered, that it doesn't sound or "feel" Greek anymore. So it's ok.
validproof@reddit
They just trying to indoctrinate the next generation to justify a future war and invasion. Documents leaked in 2016 showed they had plans to invade 131 islands. They aren't building the biggest army in Europe for no reason.
ciskosipitik@reddit
Every country prapare attack plan. It doesnt mean its gonna be implemented. Nazi Germans also had invasion plan for Turkey. Even though they didnt even threatened Turkey in reality.
That island plan was too old though. Probably they changed a lot now
kicklhimintheballs@reddit
The entire history lesson is just a propaganda tool in Turkey so it’s pretty apt
thatMrGecko@reddit
this is true in most places to be fair
Altruistic-Earth-666@reddit
In which other countries did you go to history lessons?
VisibleReport5008@reddit
I see westerners believe their countries got values and they bring democracy. And their good and superior guys in history. So there has to be some.
kallefranson@reddit
I don't know, in Germany you learn about colonization as something very bad, and you learn about all the bad things it brought. With a special focus on the Herero and Nama genocides.
kicklhimintheballs@reddit
In the USA too, but it’s pretty decentralised. Thats what Turks never understand. We are always the victim in our history books. Did you know that we are thought we lost WWI because of Germany? The country that single handedly did the most war effort…
kallefranson@reddit
I see, of cause in Germany you also got people who think Germany or the west is superior and did nothing wrong. But that isn't necessarily because of the history lessons here, as those are honestly not that bad and try not to paint a nationalistic picture. Of cause, they are very eurocentric and not perfect, but from what I have heared it isn't as bad as in the US, Balkans or Turkey, when it comes to making history fit nationalist narratives.
FixLaudon@reddit
Do you actually believe this? Like, really? I always thought that kind of delusionalism is a hardliner thing, probably not to be found on reddit.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
tell me the general view than, what do europeans think of their colonies and how they got weathy.
kicklhimintheballs@reddit
Europe absolutely did not get wealthy solely because of “colonialism”. This is also a lie that we are thought in school as well to ignore our shortcomings. Look at Spain and Portugal and how poor they are. It was industrialisation.
FixLaudon@reddit
Apart from the fact that not all European countries had colonies, well what do you think? They crusaded, evangelized and colonized the shit out of pretty much every other continent, surpressed local populations, hampered their development, Christians forced their religion upon them, what else do you want to hear?
We know all that because we do learn all that in our History lessons which thankfully are science-driven and not subject to emotions. Also, for me as an Austrian there was a very ... special phase in the 20th century that is taught exceptionally meticulous as you can imagine.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
I meant western europeans by the colonies. Anyways thanks for your opinion, I heard some very braindead takes not just on reddit but also irl. I know not all europeans think the same, I would like to see similar reactions to turks in general.
FixLaudon@reddit
Religion-driven countries tend to forget that Europe had an enlightenment phase which fortunately made ideological, emotional, non-scientific education largely obsolete (Turkey had that too under Atatürk, unfortunately this development got kinda reversed, especially since Erdogan rose to power). You won't find a school in Europe that teaches "we're the greatest", because we are well aware of the "flaws" in our history. That's why today by European consensus, human rights, constitutions etc. are always to be put above ideology and especially religion. And that's a very, very good thing.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
That was before Erdogan. Nationalist and religious stuff was boosted through the cold war. Mandotory religion lesson was introduced in the 80s for example. And some things that usually liberal people blame Atatürk,about the cult arguments, came to life way after Atatürk.
About the enlightment phase, at my view it still links up to colonialism. Everything comes down wealth, for these thoughts to form, art etc. Maybe thats making it too simple but thats my view.
FixLaudon@reddit
I think I don't entirely understand your second paragraph. Care to rephrase? Also, about the enlightenment - that was explicitly a movement to drive away imperialism (and colonialism) and religion in favor of democracy and laicism. But more important for current affairs is probably the post-WW2-phase, which is collectively known as "generation 68" in many European countries because of the student uprisings around the year 1968 that led to the freedom in society we enjoy today. That was kind of a turning point in many European societies.
VisibleReport5008@reddit
I dont understand how enlightment was to drive away imperialism, it went all the way to late 19th century. What I mean by enlightment was a it is a bourgeois act. And for thoughts like democracy to emerge you need wealth and an easy life, some group of peasents didnt just randomly thought of these.
Turkey had the '68 movements aswell but it was literally crushed later.
YannTheOtter@reddit
Also it is mostly an American belief, when I look at Brits, French or Spanish like myself, the general consensus is mostly "Yeah... we kinda were the bad guys..."
x-rascal-x@reddit
This is true. Denmark does this and leave out its colonialism past.
Irveria@reddit
None. Source ia "trust me bro"
eddieshack@reddit
I taught in Kosovo, Serbia, Bosnia and Macedonia.
You would not believe the differences in what they focus on.
Actually you probably can believe, it's what you think
thatMrGecko@reddit
exactly. you don't need to lie to people to propagandize them, just emphasize different truths and focus on different connections and you can pretty much tell them what to think about anything.
individual people can be smart but as a group we are really stupid.
According-Fun-4746@reddit
not really
also you lost nusoy
Tukaya3@reddit
Not a single country have a true objective history lessons everyone is doing a propoganda to a some degree
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
You dont think the brutal slaughter of natives across the globe and its subsequent colonization being labeled as "hihi age of discovery" is propaganda? So changing it is?
You could make an argument about the island things. The rest is fine.
55365645868@reddit
The problem is that anything turks and muslims did is then labeled as liberation and tolerant behaviour...
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Where in the post do you see "anything turks and muslims did is then labelled as liberation and tolerant behaviour..."?
55365645868@reddit
It's not in the post but I know it's the case
GoodBoySwiftBor@reddit
Yeah, it’s so different in europe.
55365645868@reddit
It actually is, yes...
Cold-Actuary-7963@reddit
No history lessons are impartial mate
FixLaudon@reddit
While ultimate impartiality is probably next to impossible, there's a little difference between victimizing oneself and regard everything west of the Bosporus as "westerners" or ultimately as "enemies" in a metaphorical sense and just being focused on domestic History and expanding from thereon.
Dapper-Bullfrog-4766@reddit
that is its purpose, everywhere not just turkey.
Senor-Marston389@reddit
So, there’s no difference to any other place in the entire world in that regard it seems
ant_gav@reddit
😂 -"The sea of Islands". -Which one from all those?
Ok_Insurance2545@reddit
If i am not mistaken this was how ottomans refer the Aegean Sea, they changed because of Greek political pressure.
Gazdanadam@reddit
Nope. It was called both Adalar Denizi and Ege. Ege ended up being adopted as the standardized version in the 1st Geography Congress
thanasis87kav@reddit
And Istanbul was named Constantiniye, did they change the city's name back to the long used original as well in their books?
LeDEvRo@reddit
Instanbul is also Greek dude. 'Εις την πολιν' ..to the City ..and City was the short version of Κωνσταντινούπολη
QQut@reddit
Not the Greek political pressure but to reassure our friendship.
onuralpaydin@reddit
In Turkish, the original name of 'Ege Denizi' (aegean sea) is 'Adalar Denizi' (sea of islands). This was used as such since Ottoman era.
Today, we use both. It is technically standardizing the original name, instead of the translation name.
Nothing funny, you just learned something new.
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
if they were technically standardizing the original name, then they would call it the Aegean sea, as it has been called for thousands of years.
Positive_Radish_9403@reddit
He is lying, "Adalar Denizi" is not used in Turkey at all.
LastHomeros@reddit
The Turks began referring to the Aegean Sea as Adalar Denizi (Sea of Islands) as early as the late 11th century, specifically following their first encounter with the region around 1081. This geographical term was used consistently throughout the Ottoman period to describe the sea filled with islands.
Positive_Radish_9403@reddit
Bruh Ottomans went to thrash bin 100 years ago. New founders Atatürk hated Ottomans and they ditched everything about Ottomans. It is the reason why Atatürk changed script from Arabic to Latin. Same reason Kemalist followers hate everything about Ottomans.
Adalar Denizi has never been used in education and media up until sultan started his new Ottoman empire dreams a few years ago by his ultranationalist coalition partner. Ask any man on the street and they will call "Ege" Denizi for "Aegean" Sea. 99% of population have never heard of Adalar Denizi term.
onuralpaydin@reddit
Wow. the level of ignorance is hitting hard. Even Ataturk used to call Aegean as Adalar Denizi. Read his memoirs.
Ataturk didn't hate Ottoman Empire, he was opposed to monarchy, he was an Ottoman commander himself.
I am a Pro-Ataturk, but i have no problem with Ottoman, it is our past, i am proud of it.
Republic of Turkiye accepted Ottoman's succession and paid its debt since 1950ies.
We are still here, we haven't been to anywhere. Ottoman Empire's people is live and well. Like it or not, it is Adalar Denizi to us, and will remain so. Just cry me a river.
Gazdanadam@reddit
It is Adalar Denizi only if you have some kind of purification complex.
Atatürk used both Adalar Denizi and Ege Denizi.
Here's the big man calling it Ege Denizi
raceregos@reddit
He said in Turkish.
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
The Aegean is called the Aegean in pretty much every language. The fact that the Ottomans changed the name when they conquered Greece means nothing. For the rest of the world it was still the Aegean sea.
LastHomeros@reddit
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
I see that gen Z has chimed in with all of their verbal eloquence. Wonderful.
raceregos@reddit
Dude, this isn’t an argument against what he’s saying. I get you, the whole world uses the Greek version, but the Turkish version isn’t anything new. Relax, jeez.
onuralpaydin@reddit
We also use the Greek adage 'Na to kefali, na to mermari'. Usually used for people like you. See, we are 'standardizing' as you requested.
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
you make no sense, which is common with Turks when they have no idea what they are talking about.
Positive_Radish_9403@reddit
"Adalar Denizi" has never been used in Turkey.
onuralpaydin@reddit
Wth... I have been calling Aegean sea, Adalar Denizi since my childhood...
evlatoni@reddit
The one near turkey
SubstanceTimely6790@reddit
The sea of islands in the world obviously, even Taiwan included lmao. They really try hard to brainwash the new generation.
Self-Bitter@reddit
The Greek ones, there you go
nikto123@reddit
The Peninsula of Land
enteralterego@reddit
Just tactics to manipulate public discourse. They want the imprisoned opposition leaders' news to be kept to a minimum that's all.
thatMrGecko@reddit
ministry of education should do something about the recent school shootings instead of wasting time with this inane stuff
Rhyiona@reddit
You had school shootings? That's terrible...
ahmetonel@reddit
people don't care about anything anymore its total chaos
pigeondriver45@reddit
they care for 2 days then a football match comes and everyone forgets the school shooting
Berat0-0@reddit
there was a huge surge in april but it died down again
Own-Consideration631@reddit
First in the history done by a student (the first was terrorists shooting a few teachers) As if that wasn't enough a second one happened the day after
CommieAlert@reddit
2 school shootings back to back. First time in our history too, guess Amurican Culture™ finally is officially here.
dumandPC@reddit
Normally we don't have. Until April
Ok_Insurance2545@reddit
Or they should invest in education planning. Current education system graduates maybe 5 times more university students than it needs anualy. Manual manual labor or skill based fields are dying because of it. And this inflation of educated people lowers the wages of white collar jobs. (There are more things to say but I am lazy)
No0bTheTooB@reddit
There's school shooting in Turkey ? :[
MaximumTangerine5662@reddit
Two ones a day apart.
No0bTheTooB@reddit
Oh that's horrible...
No-Cat4072@reddit
Maybe they should start changing their genocide curriculum
thatMrGecko@reddit
would be great
Tukaya3@reddit
Ya siz neyin kafasındasınız amk batının propagandasını yiyorsunuz birde üstüne savunuyorsunuz azcık ülkenizi sevin batının götünün yalamayın
thatMrGecko@reddit
language
gibigibi34@reddit
what?
D_Axeman@reddit
The "we didn’t genocide the Armenians" thing, and also the "even if we did they deserved it"
the_reeee@reddit
genocide and ethnic cleansing are different things.
Do you know the difference between them?
We deported armenians on mass. Thats ethnic clensing.
We didn't kill them on mass. Thats Genocide, use the proper terms gay boy.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_genocide
the_reeee@reddit
Oh, yes because the website that can be edited by anybody and everybody to fit their needs and their wiev points is a reliable source of information.
If you're trying to use a source, use a real one.
Also those are bullshit numbers there werent even a million armenians in the empire.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
You realise killing 100k people is still a genocide right?
the_reeee@reddit
Around 500k Turks were killed by armenian gangs.
So yes, this wasn't a genocide. If it was we would have killed more.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
I read it, did you? It literally says it isn't the whole number.
Also says an estimated 95k were forced to convert to Islam.
What do you think happened to the women forced to convert? Any guesses?
Beautiful religion.
the_reeee@reddit
Nice edit bro. This had nothing to do with religion. Im not going to bother arguing with you any more.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
You edited your comment too.
the_reeee@reddit
I corrected my grammer. You can see it with the*. You changed your argument. ''BeAuTiFuL rElIgIoN.''
Oh yes, since it was the muslims who killed millons of indians.
Since it was the muslims who wiped out the entire native population of america.
Since it was the muslims who colonized and stole from africa so badly that its still in the same shitty state.
Since it was the muslims who enslaved irish girls and forcefed them to have children of black slaves since darker skinned slaves sold for higher prices.
Since it was the muslims who have invaded and destroyed any stable goverment and toppled in the middle east causing suffering to everybody who is still alive in the region.
Since it was the muslims who invaded china to sell more drugs to the average chinese person.
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet" 1 Timothy 2:12
This is honestly going to be my last reply since you're trying to make this about religion.
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
Colonisation is bad regardless my brother. Christians and Muslims have been perpetrators and victims of horrific crimes. Like most things on the internet it just becomes a dick measuring contest. From an Irish man 🙌
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests_in_the_Indian_subcontinent
That's a nice state run Turkish education you have there buddy.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
You added the bottom sentence, but sure.
Actually they had to fight you, which they did.
Actually yes you did. Still also running a slave trade. In and around lake Malawi British people are well liked by the locals, as our Navy used to fight and capture Muslim slave ships.
Yes you did, this is what the Caliphates were.
? You don't think there are native Americans left? What do you think Mexicans are lol.
NoSwordfish1978@reddit
lol that's exactly what zionists/Israelis say. I've literally argued with people saying the same thing about Gaza.
mertats@reddit
Turkey at least accepts what happened to Armenians as massacres. That has been the official stance of Turkey for a long time and that is what I have been thought in high school in my time.
People take “we didn’t do it, if we did it they deserved it” meme too far and thinks that Turkey denies everything when it has not been the case for a long time.
I am pretty sure Israelis do no even see what happens in Gaza as a massacre.
the_reeee@reddit
Tukaya3@reddit
Please tell me how could a country barely manage to fight against the allies at ww1 will have enough resources to kill 10% of their population in 9 months
Second why would they start a genocide to a race they were living together for centuries all of a sudden
Third of course you can decide to not trust me but my grandmother used to tell their armenian neighbors which they live together without a issue she used to told me like their food cultures etc
Also who takes wikipedia as a trusted source
There wasn't a genocide I am not denying armenians died at that time but they died because they had to be relocated the country was at war and they were uprising with the support of russia also they attacked the Turks and Turks had to fight back who will say oh they are attacking me I guess I will stay still the armenians were killed becuase they attacked and the people there were angry the ones who died otherwise is because of sickness starvation etc still there could not be 1.5 million casualties because simply there wasn't even that many armenias to begin with and like I said the country could not have enough resources during the war to kill 10% of their population
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
The numbers might well be exaggerated.
But a Turkish guy even linked a document as proof it wasn't a million, but the document stated an estimated 100k women and children were force converted, with no mention of the men, who were presumed killed (at a guess).
Tukaya3@reddit
I am sorry I have poor eye sight and simply couldn't read that document (not joking I am serious) so I cant really comment about the document but we are not sured they were forced in muslim they have a thing which "If someone says they are muslims they should be treated as muslims if not the other way is proven" so they could simply say they are muslims and they will be recorded as converted
Not speaking about man is weird but like I say I couldnt read the document
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Yeah it's not the best quality.
Tukaya3@reddit
Also there wasn't a single mass grave found of armenians the ones that were found was Turks you can search it up the Yesilyayla village mass graves
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Your saying Turkey not showing any one where the bodies are is proof they didn't do anything?
Just to be clear, that's your argument?
Tukaya3@reddit
Of all the things I write that's the one you are speaking off that wasnt my argument stating there wasn't anything happened that's my prrof for the armenians were attacking civilians in the region
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
It literally was a genocide, Turks are spiritually Israeli
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Yeah the guy has linked a document thinking it shows it's not a genocide.
The document literaterallyy says an estimated 90k Armenian women and children were force converted, with no mention of the whereabouts of the older men and fathers.
NoSwordfish1978@reddit
Forced mass conversions are an element of genocide anyway since genocide doesn't just mean killing but also destroying and suppressing their culture as well.
gibigibi34@reddit
that topic is still kinda up for debate tho, besides those people will exist regardless of the education
Martoto_94@reddit
It really isn’t. Academic consensus is more than overwhelming on this topic. But you talk to the most liberal Turk you can find and at best they’ll still say “it’s up for debate”.
Original_Ganache_134@reddit
I guess "A Russian liberal ends when you bring up a question of Crimea" is the equivalent of brining up the topic of Armenian genocide when talking to liberal Turks
Kitsooos@reddit
Heck. Crimea was at least majority Russian, so one could at least work with that, if they REALLY wanted to defend what Russia did.
The Armenian Highlands on the other hand. Wtf kind of excuse could one possibly think of ?
cenkxy@reddit
Crusader attacks were also some consensus between European countries. Not very different than the "academic" consensus that you talk about.
Martoto_94@reddit
I never even mentioned the crusades and have no problem with them being called attacks or even an invasion. But nice straw man.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Yeah they were an invasion and they were an attack.
Islam had crept in to southern Europe, people were being forced to convert, non Muslims were being made to pay a tax for not being Muslim, and the churches and ruling classes grouped together and said no.
This isn't some gotcha, the crusades were a retaliatory attack to try and push Islam back towards the middle east, and they for the most part managed to remove it from Europe, which looking at modern times was a good idea.
There is literally no decent Islamic led governments on earth, there is clearly something poisonous about that book or at least with its interpretation by Islamic scholars.
gibigibi34@reddit
Thats just wrong to assume that, there is whole other stuff that is yet to be shown Into the light, to name a few: Number of the victims, how did they die exactly, how long did it took, was it systemitcal enough to be considered a genocide?
Besides, how accurate these articles can be if Armenia keeps refusing to open up their archives? I am not saying I dont belive in science but thats the reality.
Gazdanadam@reddit
The "sea of islands" is nothing but insanity. By that logic we should call Anatolia "Mountainland" not to mention how "Ege Denizi" is an organically Turkified word. I guess we'll also call the Aegean Region "Aydın Vilayet" now.
khalaron@reddit
Northern Cyprus = Greece
Wow, that was easy!
tabulasomnia@reddit
you guys jumping at any opportunity to try to claim an entirely separate sovereign country as your own soil will never fail to be cringe
apostolis81@reddit
Greek civilization and language across mediterranean goes back thousands of years. Thus Cypriots decent from Greek origin. Turkey illegally occupied Northern Cyprus.
tabulasomnia@reddit
doesn't change the fact you're trying to claim an entirely separate sovereign country, does it?
khalaron@reddit
He said with a straight face while pretending 1974 never happened.
tabulasomnia@reddit
yeah no that's a lie.
this is a 15 year account with an open profile, look it up if you must.
turkey invaded cyprus, and not for nothing, though staying afterwards for decades was a mistake. you deluding yourself into thinking that cyprus should be a part of greece is an entirely seperate thing (and not to mention, a fascistic view). greece should leave cyprus alone just as much as turkey should.
khalaron@reddit
No one, including myself, ever insinuated that Cyprus should be a part of Greece.
Cypriots have the right to be their own sovereign nation, free from foreign interference.
Let me repeat: free from foreign interference.
FREE FROM FOREIGN INTERFERENCE.
Is this message clear enough?
tabulasomnia@reddit
repeating my point back to me will not magically make you the winner of this argument mate. you're the one that claimed cyprus should be a part of greece at the very first comment of this chain.
khalaron@reddit
The very first comment from me was SARCASM.
Look further down the thread, you'll see a comment from me saying "oh, were using real names now?" after someone else got butthurt about it.
I will not entertain further assertions otherwise.
tabulasomnia@reddit
wasn't a very good one then
khalaron@reddit
Thank you for your feedback. I will take the time to seriously reflect on the damage my words do on the internet.
durukkk@reddit
At least try to learn to use /s
cenkxy@reddit
No one except the coup guy in 1979
thatMrGecko@reddit
don't bother, you can't reason with fascists
tabulasomnia@reddit
they really think they can change reality with downvotes, smh
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
northern Cyprus has, practically, 0 Greeks.
no.
konschrys@reddit
That’s not entirely true. You should research the εγκλωβισμένοι who live mostly in Karpasia. Also I think the original comment was sarcastic. Cyprus is a sovereign independent state, and the occupied territories should return under the control of that sovereign state.
Dangerous-Day-2943@reddit
Yes mine was also sarcastic
Dangerous-Day-2943@reddit
No under the 1923 population exchange they are a Muslim minority. Don’t you dare say Turkish minority
thatMrGecko@reddit
northern cyprus = cyprus
southern cyprus = cyprus
FTFY
Altair01010@reddit
therefore, subtracting Cyprus from both sides, northern = southern = 0
khalaron@reddit
Oh are we back to real names now?
Cool.
thatMrGecko@reddit
I never left reality but you tried to steal cyprus, so.
OldLeda@reddit
Cyprus is and was greek tho
thatMrGecko@reddit
cyprus belongs to cypriots, friend. it's in the name.
Annual_Jackfruit2892@reddit
the perfect turk opinion, if only it was mainstream.
thatMrGecko@reddit
there are more turks than you'd think that would agree with me, though turkey's security concerns in mediterranean wouldn't let this opinion become mainstream just yet
Annual_Jackfruit2892@reddit
Very unusal statement for me to see, hopefully it is the future. I always say that the future of turkey is Eu, after some needed reforms and this issue. This project brought much needed stability to all these previous pointless land quarrels in Europe.
khalaron@reddit
No one tried to steal Cyprus.
Except in 1974. Who was that, can you refresh my memory?
Annual_Jackfruit2892@reddit
bro , there was coup by the Greek Junta that war represing their own country. They luckily failed, then Turkey did the theft with a war. The military dicatorship of Greece fell after this, Greeks got more freedom. Cypriots? got fucked twice.
thatMrGecko@reddit
not me pal
khalaron@reddit
So who?
You're a top 1% commenter, surely you know.
Aizen-Kami@reddit
BS, you should also give back Constantinople.
thatMrGecko@reddit
how very expansionist of you
Aizen-Kami@reddit
Well, I guess you don't get to complain about the whole Israel/Palestine conflict if you disregard reality like that.
thatMrGecko@reddit
you just pile on with irrelevant shit don't you
Aizen-Kami@reddit
Aah yes, the fallacy of ignorance. I would say well played if I didn't know for a fact you were arguing with malecious intent while ignoring actual history.
thatMrGecko@reddit
you should stick to a subject if you want to debate. this is giving desperate.
Aizen-Kami@reddit
You stole Thrace & Constantinople. There is nothing to debate about this fact. Decolonise Turkey now. It's 2026, time for you to catch up with the modern world.
thatMrGecko@reddit
constantinople wasn't even greek when ottomans took it, wtf are you talking about? who should we give it back to, byzantines?
Aizen-Kami@reddit
You mean the guys who were responsible for the heaviest spread of the hellenistic koini culture since Alexander? I understand that Erdogan has removed all of this stuff from your curriculum but you still have open internet (for now), so you have no excuse.
MysticEnby420@reddit
You also never left Cyprus LMAO
thatMrGecko@reddit
never been there, sorry
MysticEnby420@reddit
It's very nice for what it's worth. I want to go back
konschrys@reddit
My guy that was sarcasm
thatMrGecko@reddit
his others comments clearly show that, no, it wasn't
konschrys@reddit
Yes it was. You just took it literally.
Sensitive-Emu1@reddit
Well, when you call Cyprus Greece, you give the right to call Cyprus Turkey.
Marius_Sulla_Pompey@reddit
Yeah sure;
• Balkan Wars - Massacre of Balkans
• The reign of Abdulhamit - reign of state terror
• Karadeniz - Chyornyo
• Yeniçeri - Stolen, converted boys army
• Malazgirt Victory - Invasion of Anatolia
• Harem - Forced sex slaves quarter
ChiChiStar@reddit
Tajikistan my favorite turkic country
Kitsooos@reddit
It's Persian right ?
XlAcrMcpT@reddit
Iranian, yeah. There's a bunch of iranian people in Central Asia as well. Afghan Pashtun come to mind as well for example.
Kitsooos@reddit
Persian - Iranian. Potato - Potato. Or am I messing some nuance here ?
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
I thought you were trying to say 'Pashto' for a second
IAmPyxis_with2z@reddit
Persians, Tajiks, Balochs, Kurds, Lurs. Theyre all Iranian, but not the same.
XlAcrMcpT@reddit
A bit. Persians and iranians are like turks and turkic people, or german and germanic people. All persians are iranians, but not all iranians are persian.
Kitsooos@reddit
Ah. I see. Thanks.
kallefranson@reddit
Same for Afghanistan.
Fun-Disaster9796@reddit
Nationalist propaganda scum
Fun-Disaster9796@reddit
+Our education system has a lot of problems than some terms. There is not even a fcking soap in school bathrooms
But yeah, changing terms will solve our problems
Fabulous-Wall2028@reddit
Bu sorunun cozumu turk dusmani dolu olan bir suba yazi yazmak mi aptal
Fabulous-Wall2028@reddit
Tamam sana da upvote atacaklar🙏
CountPleasant617@reddit
They are obviously anti Europe/anti white/anti christian, am glad that they won't wonder anymore why they are not in eu or ask for eu membership
eXclurel@reddit
Completely unnecessary. They are also calling social media "virtual media" for some weird reason for the past few weeks. No idea what their end goal is.
Cute_Establishment_4@reddit
I think they go bilateral.
In EU nobody calls ottoman expansion as ottoman campaign but invasion/attack.
Similarly we would get united at some extend using European or Christianity whilst addressing them as Easterns.
They basically do what EU countries do, similar tone. I am surprised it was more neutral, guess they were aiming to not to demonise yet EU always discriminate/demonize Turks.
Let's include Ursula's last discrimination, so I guess who goes around comes around
kallefranson@reddit
Congratulations, you won a free victim card
Marius_Sulla_Pompey@reddit
In the meantime 13 years old girls are being s*xually abused, there is a school shooting every now and then, stabbing epidemic continues to take young lives in Turkey but sea of islands and beginning of colonialism will save the youth that grew up under the shadow of political islam and murderous fascism.
konschrys@reddit
I mean I guess it’s a matter of semantics. The Crusades did include attacks. So it seems they’re just making that more obvious (?).
Turkestan doesn’t make much sense if you consider that the region isn’t just one state- but still they can use any terms they want for their language.
Sea of islands is a less historic term for the Aegean used afaik during the Ottoman period (?). I think Bulgarians call it White Sea. Aegean is however the original name for the sea. This just reminds me of Trump ‘renaming’ the Gulf of Mexico. I guess they’re rejecting Greek-derived names, at which point they should probably also do the same with half the cities in Türkiye, and also ditch the term ‘anadolu’ which is also Greek-derived.
I am wondering what ‘Geographical discoveries’ originally referred to. Seems like a weird title to begin with. If it’s about colonialism then it makes more sense to call it that. Of course I reckon Türkiye’s colonialism is disregarded.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
Why don't they relabel the Jihads as The Jihad attacks?
lagash-nergal@reddit
what is the jihads
draagishaydento@reddit
because jihad attacks makes no sense you can say jihadist attacks which is already used
LifeIsNotMyFavorite@reddit
Because when they do it it's fine.
Positive_Radish_9403@reddit
No they want to vilify west and Christians. It is lost in translation. It means aggression, assault, invasion.
O_945@reddit
It's as dumb as if the European nations would write "crusades liberation war". Schools in Turkey and everywhere should be about presenting plain facts, not coloring history with a point of view. Same thing about the Turkestan thing, what it's about is political agenda, not scolarship.
ieradp@reddit
Surprise surprise, schools does not have your best interest in mind.
Keep bickering and eat each other as I sip my dom perignon peasent.
O_945@reddit
Happy cake day.
That's my point really public education should not be used as a political tool ever. We seen what has happend to modern "journalism", I don't want that for my kids.
ieradp@reddit
I don't think people of Turkiye would be thrilled to find some politician asspulling turkified names for most of everything in the country.
Next thing you see taurus mountains öküz dağları.
Then again, it doesn't bad at all actually.
Oğuz tağları.
Yeah, I am going to send this as a suggestion.
Ow yea.
Patient-Reindeer6311@reddit
"my language" is not a proper excuse for making imperialistic claims on foreign sovereignty
Putrid_Speed_5138@reddit
OP posted it as "Crusades" but the phrase in Turkish translates to "Crusader Military Campaigns".
So, they start using "attacks" instead of "military campaigns". I think this change is not a big deal, although it's a bit needless.
However, the change about the "geographical discoveries" is wrong. Turkish schoolbooks referred to the the Age of Discovery under this title. Colonialism started later. Combining the two is wrong.
Turkistan and Sea of Islands are completely stupid changes that will not take hold anyway.
lelytoc@reddit
It was actually Turkestan until the Soviets renamed it Central Asia.
templarrei@reddit
We call it white sea 'cause Aegean gets too many immature chuckles... In Bulgarian it's pronounced
e-gay-sko(the -an possessive suffix is -sko in Bulgarian).cenkxy@reddit
Its technically Medeterrian sea. But what is the word in Bulgarian? Its interesting that they also call it with color white. --We have Akdeniz (Medeterrian) and Beyaz Deniz ( White sea above Russia) Ak and Beyaz are synonims ) --
Critical-Style-@reddit
Crusades should be crusader retaliation for simplerr semantics
Sweet_Bridge_3001@reddit
"Geographical discoveries" is a translation error, its referring to Age of Discovery, Colombus, Magellan, discovery of americas etc.
Professional-Fee-488@reddit
I'm actually surprised Trump went with simple Gulf of America, one would expect him to name it Gulf of Freedom or something instead of Gulf of Mexico.
ShortStuff2996@reddit
The Trump Gulf. And i wouldnt even be surprized at him.
Gimmebiblio@reddit
Gulf of Freedom That Only A Great And Wonderful Man Like Trump Could Bring You And Who Deserved A Nobel Peace Prize But The Petty Woke Norwegians Didn't Have The Courage To Give It To Him.
I bet something like this crossed his mind.
Kitsooos@reddit
Gulf of Freedom lowkey sounds pretty cool.
konschrys@reddit
I mean the petty renaming by itself is on character. But yeah could’ve gone even further.
Thelastnob0dy@reddit
"Geographical discoveries" refer to European attempts to find a way to India that doesn't include ottoman empire and attempts circle the world and return to Europe
As you know they didn't just go there with a single ship and colonise them day1 so "beggining of colonialism" is kinda wrong too if it's just a name change
ExternalMeringue1459@reddit
"Geographical discoveries" refers to Christopher Colombus and all if I remember correctly, so it seems accurate.
People from the Aegean region would never stop calling it by the correct name I think, it is a weird change.
believewhatisayy@reddit
Sea of Islands was used way more by Ottomans.
konschrys@reddit
Thanks. That’s what I said in my comment.
NoLetterhead1321@reddit
Istanbul is also Greek derived lol
believewhatisayy@reddit
Istanbul comes from Constantinople
konschrys@reddit
Well yes.
Tridentnutella@reddit
Interesting that they do not use Turan but instead went for Turkestan (literal translation is „Land of Turks“.
I‘ve personally never heard of central asians use Turkestan to describe the region and I am central asian myself. Some would use Turan but even that is more niche if anything.
And I doubt they mean the city of Turkistan in southern Kazakstan.
They get the pupils and students from now to always connect Turkey to Central Asia while simultaneously making it seem as though Central Asia had been conquered by the Ottomans/Turkish.
(I say this because there are already many turkish people confusing turk (🇹🇷) and turki/turkic (Stan countries) and who think Ottomans ruled over Iran and Central Asia)
AjdarChiili@reddit
Where are you from? I have heard Turkestan used over Turan a plenty
Tridentnutella@reddit
From Afghanistan (look up Hazaras, closest ethnicity to Uyghurs/Qazaqs/Özbeks).
I‘ve also been to Uzbekistan and Qazaqstan. Never really heard Turkestan being used there or on the internet when speaking to central asian turks.
Only few people in those places are actually aware of being turk and what branch of turks they are.
Perhaps in Turkey they use Turkestan more frequently but from my experiences central asians do not. Maybe we did centuries ago but not nowadays
Manpaccccccccccccccc@reddit
I'm also Afghan I have never heard anyone there say anything other than Turkestan
ragradoth_unbanned@reddit
man wtf you talking about, Turan is the mythical land used by Ultranationalists; Turkestan is the actual geographic political term used throughout history. Take your Mongolic racism somewhere else.
augustus_klass@reddit
Turkestan is more common than Turan. Only ultranationalists you "Turan"
Extension-Beat7276@reddit
Turan is actually a Persian term and predates the arrival of the Turks
Positive_Radish_9403@reddit
Yeah Turan is an Iranian nation actually, lmao
yesilfes@reddit
I’ve heard plenty Central Asians use Turkistan as the name
yesilfes@reddit
Turkistan was the name of the area before colonialism. Interestingly enough Tajiks also considered themselves to be Turkistani. Not related to Turkiye in any sense
nwswaf@reddit
Do you guys even know that not only Turks live in Central Asia?
tunahancalkan@reddit
It might be in Turkish Turan refers political union which consists of ever Turkic people, it might be thinked as the lands where every Turkic people live, bot just Central Asia
onuralpaydin@reddit
There is even a city called Turkistan in Kazakhstan...
You can google East, West, South and North Turkestan in Google. There are even flags of those countries before Soviet Era. Some was established for a few years before merging into SSSR
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Turkestan/Tataristan has historic meaning. It was commonly used by westerners.
Tataristan/Tatary example:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_maps_of_Turkestan#/media/File:1601_map_of_Tartary_by_Abraham_Ortelius.tif
Turkestan example:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_maps_of_Turkestan#/media/File:1860_Carte_d'Asie_Occidentale._Turquie_D'Asie,_Arabie,_Perse,_Turkestan,_Afghanistan_&_Beloutchistan.jpg
PavelKringa55@reddit
Turan is a Volkswagen model.
Ok_Badger9122@reddit
What is turanism?
TurkishYagiz@reddit
The idea to merge all Turks and Turkish countries under the same country.
Ok_Badger9122@reddit
So like a superstate with the central Asian countries merged together with a portion of china along with turkey and Azerbaijan.
TurkishYagiz@reddit
Also some parts of russia where there are Turkish autonomous governments
HanDjole998@reddit
Most OP path in HOI4 for Turkey
Familiar_Phase7958@reddit
Tajikistan in shambles
dr_prdx@reddit
Nobody is talking about Ottomans in this topic. I think you are confused. Türk and Turkic are not from differ planets.
Future-Actuator488@reddit
Isn't Turkic weird? Not Türk but like them.
batuwankenobi31@reddit
Yeah im from Turkey the turkestan word used here just like turan the land of turkic people like kazakh , azerbaijani, uigur etc. Its nothing about conqure.
Perfect-Nail9413@reddit
Turkestan was the old name for the region.
Tridentnutella@reddit
I am aware. But so is/was Turan which is more commonly used (at least in afghanistan, uzbekistan and the other stan- countries).
A lot of central asian turks don‘t even fully acknowledge the umbrella term of Turk, they just go with their respective ethnonym (Qazaq, Qirgiz, Özbek etc.)
I think the Ministry of Education knows what they‘re doing when they chose Turkestan over Turan
Perfect-Nail9413@reddit
Turan is more about a political union then geographical thus Turkestan is used.
Tridentnutella@reddit
Could be the case for turks in Turkey.
But Turan itself is actually a mythical turned geographical description for lands northeast of Iran
deusexmachina_lol@reddit
What about also teaching the atrocities and genocides committed by the Ottomans 💀
believewhatisayy@reddit
bulgarian speaking btw
deusexmachina_lol@reddit
If you're referring to the forced expulsion of the Turks, it's something that the govt has took accountability for decades ago, and I have myself studied it in at least 2-3 school classes lol
VisibleReport5008@reddit
It is mentioned as mass deportation.
puzzledpanther@reddit
Mass deported to Hades... or should I say Hadestan
Lissscraychperry@reddit
wym genocide? i believe the proper name is ottoman geographic discoveries
khalaron@reddit
Perfect comment.
This thread is over.
Haferflocke2020@reddit
How do the Turks refer to their colonization of the Balkans?
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
Do you know what is colonisation?
SnooAdvice6644@reddit
Exactly what Turkey did to the Balkans.
R4_F@reddit
Conquest and Colonisation are different things.
Thodor2s@reddit
Do they mention that the Cypriot occupation is in face settler colonialism?
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
Do they mention genocide to Cypriots?
Thodor2s@reddit
Whataboutism, but let me take this in good faith anyway for you to realize how the civilized world does things.
Yes Cypriots learn of the attempted genocide and displacements on their island from both sides. But they don’t implicate the Cypriots themselves but “outside imperialist and fringe nationalists” which is essentially correct. The problem in Cyprus isn’t Cypriots, it’s Greek nationalists, Turkish nationalists, and British imperialists.
But of all 3 clearly the most actionable harm has been done by a settler colonial occupying force that’s still on the island to this day.
Greek school books are pretty much the same, with more information on our end, about the Junta and the coup in Cyprus against Makarios.
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
Turkish people are not settlers they don’t have a Cyprus id they are still just Turkish and they can stay there because of agreement between northern Cyprus and Turkey. They can’t stay there if southern Cyprus voted yes for unification. Defending force is there for safety of Cypriots for they don’t have to sleep with guns for their safety. We learn all of that except not settlers because they are not. Clearly the most harmful one is Greek junta who armed the nationalists and make island unliveable for Cypriots.
Thodor2s@reddit
You’re literally describing a Geneva convention violation as “legal” because an imaginary country we set up and no one recognizes says it’s ok.
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
What they say in Geneva convention no one ever leave their country to live in other countries. Yes imaginary country for you but not for its citizens. South dont want to unite with it don’t want to recognise it what do you expect people living in there. They need to get supplies from just turkey even their water supplies depend on Turkey. People living in there have right to select who enters their country and who can stay in there and just Turkey recognises them it is obvious they get mostly Turkish tourists and Immigrants.
Thodor2s@reddit
No, just warzones and occupations. See Israel settlements.
South definitely wants to unite with the North, but not under an unjust model of 25% of the people having 50% of the political power. They want to live in a Switzerland of contituent peoples, and not a Bosnia of constant political deadlocks and conflicts. And that's why they said no to the Annan plan. The South is a wealthy democracy and has no reason to unify with the North unless it gets to remain a wealthy democracy. And Cyprus isn't unique in not recognizing Northern Cyprus. The entire world doesn't. Think about it. In a world full of disagreements and conflicts, this one case of settler colonialism is so TEXTBOOK, that literally noone stands with the aggressor (that's Turkey btw). No matter what justification existed in 1974, the facts on the ground make recognition impossible.
Nothing, honestly. I expect nothing. Turkish Cypriots can't affect the situation at all. It's not like the Turkish Cypriots can go to the Turkish government tomorrow and say "We want nothing to do with you, fuck off". It's a protectorate, an occupation zone with limited autonomy. Not sovereign. Not a country. Turkey has to be the one to step back, withdraw forces, and allow the two sides to negotiate a settlement in good faith. And to finally realize that Turkish Cypriots have nothing to fear from being part of a prospering EU member state.
SnooAdvice6644@reddit
Colonisation = The process of establishing control over a foreign land and its people, usually involving migration, settlement, and the imposition of social, economic, and political structures by a dominant power. It is driven by imperialism and mercantilism, often resulting in exploitation, cultural change, and long-term consequences for Indigenous populations.
Pretty much what Turkey did, together with extensive violence, death and destruction. Turkey did both conquest and colonisation.
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
Yes you read half of the description but it is still not the ottomans did if it is then all balkans colonised once where Turks lived.
SnooAdvice6644@reddit
What you said doesn't make any sense.
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
Like what you said
Kenepe88@reddit
Turks conquered Anatolia and the Haemus peninsula and settled there.The Brits and French and Spaniards conquered North America and settled there.Whats the difference?
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
You can google it. Getting information is easy these days but if you can’t do basic search it is very different know that at least.
Kenepe88@reddit
You need google to answer this simplistic question?
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
You don’t have any idea what is colonialism and what is conquest I can’t teach you that. You need to learn it first to have a discussion
Kenepe88@reddit
Sure thing habibi.
alfsito@reddit
What the ottomans and spaniards did in the 16th century is exactly the same
Royal_Gap5154@reddit
Nice ragebait bro
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
There was no colonization of the Balkans.
WhyTheLemon@reddit
Geographic discoveries
GrouchyCustomer6050@reddit
Whatabout Turkish colonialism? Od does that get a pass?
kallefranson@reddit
Shouldn't Turkey be pro crucades, as they destabilized East Rome and thus helped the Ottomans conquer Constantinople?
aasfourasfar@reddit
The Turks who, famously, never colonized anyone
raceregos@reddit
This is true. Colonization is a Western concept. The Ottomans were a classical empire with some vassals in Europe. Any land they conquered became part of the mainland. “Colonization” is the wrong word choice for that.
emouil@reddit
They're really propagandizing their kids from an early age to be good Turkish citizens, crusades are evil Greece is evil, colonialism is evil, central Asia is Turkish and all that
Defiant-Ad-8472@reddit
Last one is true tho
Careful_Manager_4282@reddit
I forsee a difficult time ahead of the new Turkish generation when they realize the fallacy of it all.
That, or they never realize anything and just fall into a depression when reality slams the door on their face. Pity... 🫤
ImmediateInitiative4@reddit
I’m a 26 years old relatively fresh teacher and Yusuf Tekin (the current minister of education) is by far the worst one we have ever had, at least since I have been in education myself from the ages of 6-7. I would like to remind you that the next election is probably going to be a little bit early and will be held in around Q4 2027 :)
MerTheGamer@reddit
Turkestan and Sea of Islands make sense. Turkestan used to be what region was usually called before Russians popularized the term Central/Middle Asia. And people had used to use Sea of Islands since around 11th century. Calling the sea Aegean Sea in Turkey is a relatively new phenomenon, becoming official only in 1941, though it was used by some in academy in 1930s. People either used Sea of Islands or lumped it together with rest of the Mediterranean Sea. A famous order for soldiers by Atatürk, "Armies, your first target is the Mediterranean Sea, forward!", was used to refer to Aegean coast.
The other two are just propaganda for the usual "we = good guys, west = bad guys" bullshit with no historical basis.
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
Sea of islands is also propaganda. The Aegean has been called by that name for thousands of years, well before Turks came into the region. and it has been called that consistently by the rest of the world since then.
robininscarf@reddit
Yes, this would solve the shootings. I am proud of our Ministry of Education, he's doing such a good job of killing Turkish children.
WAU1936@reddit
Uninteresting changes really, I guess the Central Asian and maybe Aegean change shows a more nationalist orientation which I'd disagree with.
I do agree with the shift to beginning of colonialism, Age of Discoveries is a whitewashing term for the initial phase of colonialism (and slaughters and ethnic cleansing started immediately with Columbus anyway).
Young_Owl99@reddit
I think age of discoveries and colonialism should be two seperate subjects. Calling it beginning of colonialism is unfair. It is not only about discovery of America by Europeans.
WAU1936@reddit
I think it should be noted that the "Age of Discoveries" led to colonialism, first of the Americas and then expanding, to divide the two is to eliminate the continuity between them, especially if you count the start of the Discoveries as 1492.
Optimal_Ad_7593@reddit
Let’s rename Istanbul to Constantinople and the Turks to ‘plunderers of the middle east and Mediterranean’
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
amazing.
Turkey, finally, recognized reality.
Aegean = Sea of Islands
99% of the islands r Greek.
Aegean = Sea of Greece.
cenkxy@reddit
Long name is Sea of Islands that are 1 meter away of our land and owned by Greece lol
Possible-Scarcity-91@reddit
Original name is Aegean sea, named thousands of years ago. Also, according to your logic, then any towns on the border of other country can be claimed by either country, right? You do realise that borders have to start somewhere, right? Greece's borders just happen to be those islands you so want to claim for your own. It's about time Turks grew up and stopped whining about the Greek islands. They always were and always will be Greek.
Cold_Orange-5531@reddit
I've seen you multiple times in multiple subreddits at this point and all you ever do is endlessly whine about Turkey like they pay you for it. Try saying positive things about your own country for once instead of constantly trying to badmouth ours. Especially since yours isn't doing much better all things considered.
Future-Actuator488@reddit
Some are fed by hostile attitude.
eleutheromaniann@reddit
you are obsessed with Turkey. you are spreading anti-Turkish sentiment in every sub. this is the only thing you do all day. get yourself a life
RUUUGHHHR@reddit
is your entire life purpose crying about turkiye?
BirJhinMain@reddit
Fr fr
Diligent-Stretch-769@reddit
seems to be circular logic
iamakeyboardwarri0r@reddit
The Turkish education system teaches kids they descend from Central Asian Turkestan, but genetically that’s largely a myth. Most Turks have far more Anatolian, Greek, Armenian and Arab ancestry than Turkic. It’s nationalist storytelling, not history.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Can you guys stop being so pretentious and obnoxious?
Turkish DNA is commonly spread among anatolian turks. You will have a soup of DNA with stuff ranging from the Balkans to Mesopotamia to Caucasus more, which just means that people intermarried with locals. However turkish identity is civic an no one is denying this.
You bunch act like it is breaking news to us that we dont have pure turkic DNA.
MajinaiHanashi@reddit
Inbreds are obsessed with Turks' DNA.
Patient-Reindeer6311@reddit
1) agree, fair enough
2) disagree
3) agree
4) agree in principle, but execution could be better
BlokZNCR@reddit
As a Turkish I see no problem here.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Do they cover the fact that Islam was spread via war, forced conversions etc, and that Christianity via word of mouth and peace (in Eurasia, not Africa/new world)?
It always amazes me how Islamic countries sort of skip that the only reason they are Muslim is because their ancestors weren't strong enough to fight Arab expansionism.
The crusades didn't happen in a vacuum, it was a retaliation to a hostile religion spread via war.
MajinaiHanashi@reddit
Nah, Christianity is different from any other religion. It was so peaceful that it spread like STD.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Oghuz turks converted by their own. So did kipchaks. So did indonesians. So did Malayans. So did sub-saharan people. So did eastern Africa. So did Bosnaks. So did Bengal. So did Myanmar.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
Not true at all.
A lot of these areas came under Islamic rule beforehand.
This is like me saying Africans concerted to Christianity on their own, or South Americans did.
And here:
It's still forced in many of these countries.
Converting "by their own" Isn't really "by their own" If not converting means:
Your wife being taken from you, raped and remarried.
Your daughters being taken from you, married off and raped.
Your children being taken, forced to convert.
This isn't "on your own". Islam does not survive without force, which is why the rules on leaving are so strict, why you can't insult the prophet etc.
Islam falls apart under a microscope, which is why Islamic countries make laws about using said microscope.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
True most definetly. Kipchaks were never conquered by arabs. Neither were sub-saharan people, malayans, bengalis, indonesians or oghuz turks under khazar rule. You are just coping.
Utter strawman. You are factually wrong with your claim that most people were forced to convert.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
I never mentioned them.
Nor did I mention sub Saharan Africa.
Christianity is still bigger in Africa though.
I mentioned Malaysia as there are still laws preventing people leaving the religion.
Bengalis were forced under Islamic rule.
Do you even know the history of Islam and post Mohamed Caliphates?
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Your claim:
"Do they cover the fact that Islam was spread via war, forced conversions etc,"
Is. Factually. Wrong.
It is really this simple.
Show me the conquest of kipchak turks by arabs. Or the conquest of SEA by arabs. Or the conquest of the sub-saharan region by arabs. You are conducting historic revisionism in order to justifie your alt-right world-view.
Strawman. Not the point of discussion.
Strawman. Not the point of discussion.
Nope. Utterly made up by you. They converted under the Mughals. It is particullarly interesting, because they had very little control over Bengal. The consensus is that sufis went there and convinced the people, as being a muslim also provided a way out of the cast system.
Most definetly better than you.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
And here regarding Bengal. There were some initial forced conversions, and then a lot later were peaceful.
And what happened after the Muslims came into power?
You pay a tax if you aren't a Muslim.
Your sons can not marry a Muslim girl without covering to Islam.
Your daughters can not marry a non Muslim man.
The entire religion is set up to force itself, you don't see it as you are born in to the culture.
I live around a lot of Turks. They will call the local population racist over anything, but then will tell you with a straight face their sister can't date a local guy as it's "Haram". The irony is off the charts.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
I am not going to have multiple discussions with you about the same fucking subjects. Make one post. Not 20.
TesticleSandwiches@reddit
It's factually correct. A Turkish guy even just linked a document as proof an Armenian genocide didn't happen, document also stated almost 100k Armenian children and women were force converted to Islam.
Already covered this.
From Saudi Arabia to Turkey,and across Mediterranean Africa then into Spain and from Turkey up into Albania, Islam was spread via Caliphates, I. E. Conquering and war.
This is objective, historical fact.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
"You are wrong. Here is why."
"Nuh uh. I am right!"
What a fucking Kindergarten.
Strawman.
No.
Strawman.
Conquest =/= conversion.
Calm_Leather5271@reddit
Armenian Genocide -> The Events of 1915
Late_Secret3480@reddit
New word for genocide?
Inner_Variety2826@reddit
Deservable lies, to make the famous quote a little shorter
Late_Secret3480@reddit
Tell that to Assyrians,Armenians and Pontos of course!!!
No_Study_5463@reddit
Armenian Genocide - misunderstanding Ottoman invasion of Europe - pushback agains Christianity Sack of Constantinople - meh
PavelKringa55@reddit
No special expression for Turkish collonialism in the Balkans?
Tukaya3@reddit
Tf you mean colonization first learn the meaning of the words you are using
PavelKringa55@reddit
I mean "come over, kill them, enslave them, take their children into your army, make them pay punitive taxes unless they convert to your religion".
Tf with your colonial ambitions in the Balkans.
Erozbey@reddit
Those excuses are getting old. There’s a bit of a difference between what you learned in high school and the reality.
PavelKringa55@reddit
Maybe your reality and my reality are not the same?
In my reality Turks came over, raped, pillaged and killed Croats.
We lost a battle and instead of giving up merged with Hungarians.
Again lost a battle and instead of giving up to Turks, we merged with Austrians.
As if we somehow really did not want to be with the Turks.
Eventually we managed to liberate our lands and beat the Turks, but it took a long time.
Now we're supposed to love the memory of raping, pillaging, killing and centuries of occupation?
Tukaya3@reddit
That taxes were taken to have them excluded from the army
Secondly jow would anyone have a region conquered without killing anybody did you hear about the wars and everyone was free abput living their religion culture etc this isn't coloni
PavelKringa55@reddit
Well, Turkey did conquer quite a lot and held it for centuries, but it was so terrible to live under it that everyone rebelled.
Tukaya3@reddit
Also you speak your own language you live your own culture this is enough of a proof that it wasnt colonization
Tukaya3@reddit
If it were terrible to live why didn't they rebelled for centuries
pdonchev@reddit
I agree with the crusades and the geographic discoveries. Central Asia had (and has) many non-Turkic peoples, and "Sea of Islands" is just stupid (unless it is a traditional name that existed for long time, then it's perfectly ok).
Young_Owl99@reddit
It is a traditional name but rarely used. Everyone simply say aegean sea.
Pretty_Seesaw7260@reddit
Turkish are came from china they have nothing to do with ancient people this region was Roman Greek and a lot of tribes
bruhmanbruuh@reddit
Gazi - Gazi attacks type of shit.Oh sorry I forgot, you freed us all from the Romans. /s
Also changed the name of the Aegean , how thoughtful. So now , instead of Turkaegean , it's going to be Turkseaoftheislands.
Comfortable-Wind-401@reddit
It's thanks to the fourth crusade that Turkey exists now
LifeIsNotMyFavorite@reddit
I certainly wonder if they'll specify what happened during 1915.
GriffitDidMufinWrong@reddit
Armenian de-colonization, silly.
Inner_Variety2826@reddit
Equal_Factor_3362@reddit
Honestly Turkey and Turkish pll are the only people who are many if not majority nationalist but dont like others doing it. Its huge victimhood podcasts crying losing privilegedls they should nto have as historically they are the ones opressing those around thme and in their territory. Its a whole superiority complex that should be studied. Erodan and Turkish nationalist Turkey is also very very proud of their bloody past and atrocities but also extremely offended that you claim such events exist they like the idea of having been able to do it as it makes them feel powerful winners but dont like the idea of being the villain to the world. If you ask them people of different religions lived in peace under Ottoman rule there was no slavery or opression and all were equal and there was no pressure of forced covnersion to become muslim and erase your language xulture and religion...Turkey is even lobbying Turkish parties in neighboring countries to change history influnce voting. I am so sorry to all Turkish pll with a brain that you have to be associated with so many best described as if Erdogan and Trumps love child.
Young_Owl99@reddit
Wait I just realized. Did we change the name of the sea or is it only on the education system ?
AiWoTaskede@reddit
I thought the turkish version of « crusade » (haçlı seferler) already implied attacks
Young_Owl99@reddit
The word sefer itself is not aggresive it means compaign. But “saldırı” literally means attack.
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Sea of islands and turkistan(since there was a +100 turkic goverment/tribes has builden and collapsed and most of them was central asia) is understandable but others are needless.
No_Idea_479@reddit
I think "Sea of Greek islands" would be a better term.
fk_censors@reddit
Sea of Greek and Venetian islands?
No_Idea_479@reddit
That would be cool pre-1945. Fuck Venice tho.
Kitsooos@reddit
Venice was pretty chad. Why fuck it ?
No_Idea_479@reddit
I just do not like the city as someone who lives in Sicily. I see it as plundering the South.
Kitsooos@reddit
Hmm. Didn't know there were such feeling over there.
It's generally liked over here. It was the city in Italy that was the closest to the Byzantines. Lot's of Byzantine things entered the West though Venice.
I think we sent some princesses as well at some point and I remember reading somewhere that the Venicians liked them. They standardised the use of perfumes in Venice, amongst other things.
Many Greeks went there as refuges after the Fall of Constantinople.
They got some of the best preserved Byzantine churches as well.
Venice rule over some parts of Greece is seen as infinetely better than the Ottoman rule in the rest of the region.
Krupnjache-No1@reddit
What about 4th crusade?
Inner_Variety2826@reddit
*What about 4th crusader attack?
There, fix that for you. We don't want to upset Mr sultan Tayyip now, do we?
No_Idea_479@reddit
I'm a minority, most people here don't have real opinions.
But yeah, it makes a lot of sense that compared to the Ottomans the Venetians were better.
Maximus_Dominus@reddit
Definitely. They even sponsored some crusades.
No_Idea_479@reddit
Yeah, but about the crusades, I'd say it depends on the individual crusade itself. They weren't a uniform thing. Here's a list, it's huge:
Maximus_Dominus@reddit
Yeah, I was kinda just sarcastically referring to the 4th crusade and Venice being pretty chad from a Greek point of view. But I am glad you found something to do.
No_Idea_479@reddit
You're right. The Pope has at least recognized the actions of the Fourth Crusade as a crime and apologized.
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
No_Idea_479@reddit
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Lol,nvm out of jokes really man do u see us arguing with mongolians for they massacared and burned libaries with chengis khan? No ofc we are like besties. So why we keep arguin for some islands by nationalism :D
No_Idea_479@reddit
Nah, it's just taking the piss. I don't care much about the Aegean. I mean, I do feel connected to Greece as a Sicilian Arvanite, but that's it.
But I also enjoy taking the piss out of Turks on social media sometimes. It's my guilty pleasure.
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Oooohhh guilty pleasure okeee then its understandable in some way. Still not making u right gggrrrrhhhhh
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
He is lying ,he is a greek nationalist that got banned with his original account ,now he acts arberesh-italian but he is from the pontic area ,very close to you guys
No_Idea_479@reddit
Yes mate, I am from the deepest pits of Trabzon...
But on a serious note, Pontus is nice. I'd like to visit it some day.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
😂😂everyone knows you are the banned greek dude Porphyres
No_Idea_479@reddit
Brother... Who the fuck is Porphyres?
And what are you even showing in this picture? This is something I've said on this thread already, lol.
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
😂😂you pop up everywhere wtf😂
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
u/Porphyres the banned guy with a new account spreading bs propaganda again
No_Idea_479@reddit
I am from the deepest pits of Pontus...
Oh wait-
No_Idea_479@reddit
Mwahahaaha
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
ThickCaterpillar9867@reddit
Now you are Italian?😂😂Porphyres
No_Idea_479@reddit
I am Arbereshe-Arvanite from Italy fam. Good job, you went through my post history and found it out.
kadaka80@reddit
Aegean - Sea of Islands lol
How about Turkey - Collection of plains and mountains
Inner_Variety2826@reddit
Hmm you know what, that has a nice ring to it
thanasis87kav@reddit
Turkey = Greek chicken 🙄
Acrobatic-Elk5067@reddit
apart from turkestan: hella based. good for you, Türkiye
mintyfresh0069@reddit
I mean the crusades weren't really peaceful dawg 😭🙏
CosmaLaEL14@reddit
Look who's talking. I fucking hate turkey
Training_Shine_111@reddit
outside of Turkestan, they seem quite correct.
AnorNaur@reddit
I wonder if the Armenian Genocide made the list this time around…
of_trapezous@reddit
Sea of Islands? Seriously?Excluding the Sargasso Sea, name another sea with no islands. I 'll wait. I am Greek and it is of particular interest to me. Having recognised attrocities of both sides in the past, I would prefer good neighbours for the 21st century. So.... i 'll wait for an inelliget response. Please let us not be the mindless orcs of the past. PLease please please.
Deep-Ad4183@reddit
Is the history class like the TRT TV shows?
djikkers@reddit
what abut the armenian genocide ?
freek_@reddit
A country built on invasion.
Crying about people fighting back. Disgusting
RestaurantBoring417@reddit
Turkestan is literally not a real term to describe Central Asia, since not all people in Central Asia are Turkic, but also Iranian, Mongolian etc. Just a weird propaganda term in accordance with their other ahistorical nonsense.
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Old_maps_of_Turkestan#/media/File:1860_Carte_d'Asie_Occidentale._Turquie_D'Asie,_Arabie,_Perse,_Turkestan,_Afghanistan_&_Beloutchistan.jpg
Mosan07@reddit
We don't support ts btw
NecessaryDisaster498@reddit
Except the "sea of islands" change, which I find quite petty, everything else looks fine for me.
oby953@reddit
I mean... Not all of these are wrong
Sea_Consequence_3260@reddit
Changing the colonial language, we should also change the "middle-east" to "west asia"
BeniOnReddit@reddit
turkey the bird, do turks not realize they are the bad guys in history? lol trying to change history. losers
BarnaclePotential132@reddit
Good for the Turks. This must mean they have solved all their economic and societal problems and could move on to the next one. I am right, arent I?
Snoo-15899@reddit
Beginning of colonialism, wow! I wonder how they renamed their colonization of the Balkans and the Middle East.
pelererr@reddit
So? Are they false?
XMrFrozenX@reddit
"Sea of Islands" is already the literal meaning behind the name of the Aral Sea in Turkic languages.
First and fourth are completely fair, second one is also fair enough I guess but is also politically charged, third is straight up no bueno imho.
CableBomber@reddit
Cus no one was colonising anything before the discoveries right? Like how arabs didn’t colonise and arabify the entire peninsula and large swathes of africa to the point where ppl don’t even know their own language.
Are u stupid?
Rupaism@reddit
Colonisation in the modern sense is tied to the global system that emerged after the new world was conquered.
khalaron@reddit
Agree with your assessment 100%, especially about #3.
I'm biting my tongue about #3, to be honest.
CockamouseGoesWee@reddit
I'm not.
Bizzareius@reddit
Central Asia - Turkestan?????? Huh???
MuhfugginSaucera@reddit
The Turks consider Turkic and Turkish to be the same for some reason.
Broad_Yam6503@reddit
Propaganda
fk_censors@reddit
That's what a state-run educational system always leads to, I'm not surprised.
azriel_odin@reddit
A fascist state-run educational system*
A private school can do the same, it just doesn't have the same reach.
fk_censors@reddit
Private schools are not run by the state, so they don't have an incentive to poison children with state propaganda. They're more likely to yield to the community they are serving (who is ultimately paying them).
liberalskateboardist@reddit
Uncle Erdo and it's weird sense of humour
Sirrullas@reddit
Alternative term changes by Turkish Ministry of Education
Jews --> Musevi Kurds --> Mountain Turks Israel --> Secret Ally Zionist Capitalism. --> Local and National Economy System Tax ---> Price of survival
xander011@reddit
How do they call ottoman empire then? It's hard to describe that level of evil and inhumanity...
fstbm@reddit
Do they teach about the USA fighting against Turkish empire slave trade?
According-Fun-4746@reddit
mind broken
evacOrbis@reddit
that's an ambitious 🦃
Ninevolts@reddit
No, Mr Yusuf Tekin, you're not next in the line after Erdogan. Stop this bullshit right now.
Mobile_Alternative_3@reddit
adalar denizi ve türkistan gayet doğru isimlerken diğer ikisi dümdüz gerizekalılık ürünü sefere sefer denir saldırıya saldırı denir amk
sirenyti@reddit
Ya, erasure of the identity of the Aegean is just Peachy
And also, let’s make up a name like Turkestan to erase the identity of the people whose land we stole too 👌🏽 👍🏽
Playful_Row4208@reddit
Isnt central asia majority turkic witg tajiks just being there?
sirenyti@reddit
Playful_Row4208@reddit
Idk why you are acting like turks colonised and invaded anywhere when central Asia is where all turks have historically inhabited before the migrations of medieval era. It IS turkestan unless there are ethnicities there i haven't been taught
sirenyti@reddit
Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and China’s Xinjiang region are not Turkish.
They are distinct ethnicities.
Oh and let’s not forget all of the Greek land and historical monuments which is now simply “Turkey”
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Dude just called first four is not turkish omg lol. Like i passing them seeing themselves turk or being in same language, 2 of them literally comes from khipchaks and one of them literally have turkmen name in their country name lol. Here is a oversimplified family tree for you (and i know i know there was local hungary people before europe huns come but they bond so well over time they become one and kept that bond unlike with mogols we had at the time.)
thatMrGecko@reddit
I thought we were done with this turan bullshit
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
İ did not said i want turan bcs its not possible bcs ideology differences. She says Türk goverments in asia are not turks so i fix her wrong saying with information.
thatMrGecko@reddit
"turkic states" being turkish is the turan bullshit. ethnic ties 100s of generations ago do not makes us belong to the same nation. you should get over it.
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Son we are the one coming from tribe who leave their oldest known place for explore in first. U just denying ur history rn. Like if u have hate against them for reason idk like political reason i cant say anything but u cant ignore the past.
thatMrGecko@reddit
who gives a fuck about tribes 2000 years ago, grow up
BurgurluGenc031@reddit
Bro literal base of our culture,our names,traditions,saying are from our ancestor from central asia wtf u mean 'who gives a fuck'. Stop treating like its from times of first homo sapiens in africa,we dont need turan to be together we only need respect and love between all turks. Oh wait i have saying for it "a people who dont known their past search themselves on others"
No_Idea_479@reddit
Tajiks aren't a "footnote" that are just there and the term also includes parts of China (and maybe Mongolia?).
Either way, we all know why this was done.
Mobile_Alternative_3@reddit
what are you talking about you aware turks talk turkish right ? why the hell do we have to call a sea a specific hellenic name when we call it "adalar denizi" for 5 century
and btw "türkistan" name has been used since 9. century marco polo uses great turkey for the land . i mean yes we are not originally from there but in that sense there is no right name for anywhere in world who would use "turtle island" for america or "albion" for britain or "gallia" for france just because it was their first name ?
fk_censors@reddit
Huh?
thatMrGecko@reddit
language
bladedancer30@reddit
Nothing out of the ordinary for Muslims
DM_ME_SALAH_GIFS@reddit
As if history lessons aren't used for propaganda purposes in every other country in the world?
Bright-Bill-9718@reddit
Shouldn't you go and worship your polish friends in middle east
believewhatisayy@reddit
Term "Adalar Denizi" (Sea of Islands) was used by Turks since 11th century so its not new. "Ege Denizi" (Aegan Sea) became standartized in 1941.
SpiritedAddition8206@reddit
Yarrrak31 ne amk hahahahahahahaha
No_Idea_479@reddit
Son...
No_Idea_479@reddit
CalligrapherOther510@reddit
Its kind of ballsy like it
DriveByAtanCivciv@reddit
Bu terimler zaten kullanılıyordu ki?