9070xt vs 5070ti Ray Tracing / Path Tracing. Dlss / Fsr

Posted by InternationalJob1539@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 85 comments

I am trying to choose between the RTX 5070 ti and the RX 9070 XT.

I have a 3080 right now and initially I wanted to upgrade because 10gb vram isn't good enough for the vr games I want to play. But this question on these 2 gpu options hinges on flatscreen performance.

These 2 cards from what I've seen in benchmarks, trade blows of 10fps or less, but that isn't the problem. In ray tracing the 5070ti has better performance. Some games look basically the same without ray tracing. Path tracing is somewhat noticeable in the games that use it, and the 9070xt is basically dead with it.

Upscaling is also a part in this because with my 3080 when there is stuttering I like to turn it on to quality mode and it doesn't bother me apart from some smeary ghosting. Basically, if Nvidia has better upscaling, that just means more fps. I've heard that amd's looks worse.

On ebay the 5070ti is usually around $200 more expensive.

My monitor is 1440p and 60hz, and I probably will not get a new one for a while, and when I do it's going to be oled at maybe 120hz? I have no interest in 4k because I can't imagine a screen looking clearer than this, and If I upgrade it will just become the new normal at a higher performance cost.

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Emotional-Tour1477@reddit

For ray tracing and path tracing specifically, the 5070 Ti has a meaningful advantage — AMD still trails Nvidia noticeably in RT workloads, and that gap widens further with path tracing in games like Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2. DLSS 4 with Multi Frame Generation is also genuinely better than FSR 4 right now, especially at 4K where you need every frame you can get. For VR, the 5070 Ti is probably the smarter pick too since RT is increasingly common in newer titles and you don't want to be behind on that. If RT isn't a priority and you're mostly playing rasterization-heavy games, the 9070 XT is a great value — but based on your use case, the 5070 Ti sounds like the better fit.

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AceLamina@reddit

I would just get the 5070ti, especially if you want RTX, I got mine 2 weeks ago and I can finally play cyberpunk with RTX at max graphics

Path racing is usable but it brings my fps around 50-60

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

What are your specs because with my RT at max I only get about 50-60ish FPS in Cyberpunk 2077. Then again I also have pretty much everything else maxed out too.

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ceigetank@reddit

What res are you playing at? Because my 9070xt can get above 100fps with path tracing at 1440p using fsr

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Amazing-Matter1985@reddit

Ya sure. You forgot to mention frame gen.

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ceigetank@reddit

Dude it's directly in my comment, shut the fuck up

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

1440p as well. But I'm not using dlss for now. But, for other games I do punch above 100fps easy. Just not in Cyberpunk 2077 with native rendering.

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AceLamina@reddit

i7 12700k 32gb of 5600mhz RAM

I have my i7 overclocked to 5ghz and my 5070ti to 3ghz

I should note I also use DLSS since I have an ultrawide, but I have it on the quality setting

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

Ah, okay, I have a Ryzen 7 9800X3D and 32GB 6000Mhz. I haven't done any overclocking at all. I know people do it but I just never felt comfortable with it, personally.

I also turned off DLSS and maybe should reconsider. I only have a standard 1440p display.

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specn0de@reddit

Why would you turn off DLSS lol you bought a NVIDIA card and disabled the NVIDIA features? Should have just got the 9070xt tf

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

Because dlss isn't perfect and a natively rendered scene can look better. I was thinking about the 9070xt when I was speccing my build. But I opted for the 5070ti for three reasons 1) I wanted the better ray tracing performance 2) I've been on team red for so many years because they've just been cheaper. But, they always broke about 3-4 years in (in some fashion. Not completely unusable) so I figured I would go back to team green and see how they would fare and 3) actually because of dlss. Which I know sounds counterintuitive to what I said. I figured I would enjoy the natively rendered scenes at max-ish while I can. And as games progress in complexity start turning on dlss to extend the life of my card.

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semidegenerate@reddit

Give DLSS a try. It's really good with the current transformer models on 40 and 50 series cards. With the Quality setting I can't tell the difference between upscaling and native in CP2077.

There are also a few utilities that allow you to force the newest transformer models on any game with DLSS upscaling. The Nvidia App will also do it with certain white-listed games. This can be useful for games where the devs haven't updated in a while.

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karmapopsicle@reddit

You can force any version of the upscaler in any supported title by simply grabbing the desired .dll from TechPowerUp and manually swapping. Or using a third party utility like DLSS Swapper. The option in the Nvidia app is mostly just a convenience.

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semidegenerate@reddit

Yup. I personally use Nvidia Profile Inspector, since it allows me to force ReBAR, or any other setting I'd like. I don't even install the Nvidia App. I use NVCleanstall for a stripped down installation.

I didn't want to suggest manually swapping dll files to someone who may not be that tech savvy. I know it's actually dead simple, but some people get lost just trying to navigate through a file tree.

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karmapopsicle@reddit

but some people get lost just trying to navigate through a file tree.

Amen to that. Ugh.

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inyue@reddit

Isn't native of CP2077 using TAA? Dlss quality (66% render) should look better for almost everyone.

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karmapopsicle@reddit

DLSS Quality is 75%. Balanced is 66%, Performance is 50%, Ultra Performance is 33%.

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AceLamina@reddit

I noticed this subreddit can be sensitive over the smallest things
Someone was trying to underplay how Nvidia is some how worse performing than the 9070 XT despite the 5070ti being faster

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AceLamina@reddit

I would at least overclock the RAM since most motherboards can automatically do it for you and RAM speeds can matter more on ryzen chips

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Leo9991@reddit

RAM speeds can matter more on ryzen chips

He absolutely should enable Expo if he hasn't already, but this statement is simply wrong considering he has an x3d CPU. Ryzen x3d CPUs are the LEAST sensitive to RAM speeds, since they already have a lot of really fast cache on the chip.

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

I do have EXPO enabled. I made sure of that much.

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

Okay cool. Appreciate that advice and I'll give it a shot.

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Leo9991@reddit

Your 5070 ti overclocks really well and there's no risk in doing it. Might be worth reconsidering.

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MistSecurity@reddit

Just tick the PBO in your BIOS at least. It applies an overclock that’s like 90% of the performance of a manual well tuned OC, with 1% of the effort.

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Leo9991@reddit

PBO makes 0 difference for x3d CPUs. PBO+curve optimizer however, there you start seeing some differences.

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

I'll check for that setting, thank you. . But I am confident my RAM is running at that speed. My motherboard and Windows both say it is. With my last build, for a long time, my RAM wasn't running at its advertised speed. Learned my lesson with that one.

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siegsage@reddit

lol even lmao

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Leo9991@reddit

Just to clarify, is that with Path tracing or just Ray tracing maxed out? That's normal performance for path tracing, but would be a little low for ray tracing.

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PixelatedGamer@reddit

Ray Tracing maxed out. I was looking at some benchmarks online and it looks like 50-60 is on par for my hardware. But, I also got those frames in CP2077's built-in benchmark tool. I haven't had a chance to really get back into this for my second playthrough yet.

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DiMarcoTheGawd@reddit

If you can hit 60 base for then framegen is definitely viable

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AceLamina@reddit

I rather not use frame gen until they fix the visual issues more and especially input lag

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DakkonBL@reddit

Which game have you tried it on?

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AceLamina@reddit

Only game I had frame gen was Cyberpunk when I first got my new GPU and it was enabled on default
Something tells me 500 fps isn't normal on max graphics

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Sari_sendika_siken@reddit

it's called ray tracing and amd can do it just as good.

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AceLamina@reddit

The 5070ti is a physically stronger card but ok

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Luckyirishdevil@reddit

You don't know what your talking about. The 2 cards trade blows in raster that's the hypothetical "physical strength". What Nvidia does have is a generation or 2 better ray tracing tech and a generation better upscaling.

If those things are worth adding 30% (assuming a $700 9070XT) then that's your poor choice. They are basically the same "physical performance" with Nvidia fake frames sprinkled in to make you pay more.

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vitek6@reddit

Poor for you maybe.

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Luckyirishdevil@reddit

I made my own poor choice.... But that's all how you frame it. I got a 5090 at msrp, which was grossly over priced, especially when I've been working too much to enjoy what it can do recently.....

..... But looking at prices today, it looks like an investment.

The point I was trying to make was that we all value things on our own scale. The Nvidia card comes with advantages, but that needs to be valued per person. To me, a 30% price hike for tech that wouldn't improve my life makes no sense. For you, and many others who game far more often, it might. I just don't feel right talking OP into spending $200 more than he has to without seeing the difference himself.

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Sari_sendika_siken@reddit

with 200$ more, might aswell get 5090

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AceLamina@reddit

5090s costs 3-4k, what are you talking about

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Sari_sendika_siken@reddit

Physically stronger tho.

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Ouaouaron@reddit

"Path tracing" is the term used to describe more advanced forms of ray tracing, particularly when it comes to multiple bounces or partially transparent materials. It's often only available on Nvidia, because up until recently it wasn't included in DirectX and relief solely on Nvidia APIs

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Sari_sendika_siken@reddit

I know what path tracing is. I just hate people labeling ray tracing as "RTX". Asuming thats what they meant as "If you want rtx go for rtx" is a meaningles statement in this context.

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Amazing-Matter1985@reddit

Haha. There is no vs, it’s not fair. Vide is better.

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vMiDNiTEv@reddit

i have the 5070ti and it so good, i can play story games on 1440p with 200+ fps its so immersive, i have 180hz monitor tho, so i only get 180fps in reality, but that’s enough for me

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cream_of_human@reddit

If you really care for that thing then just cash out for the 5070ti

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Yellowtoblerone@reddit

If you play pt games, of course Nvidia. If you don't, 9070xt and 2 tomahawk steaks. Pretty simple decision really

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Sufficient-Loan8729@reddit

even if you dont use RT or PT. Nvidia cards has a better image quality even at the same res and quality settings.

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vini6590@reddit

Only with upscaling. Saying that you notice anything in native settings is complete bullshit

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Sufficient-Loan8729@reddit

I have both a 9070XT and a 5070TI. Not with any upscaling on. The 5070TI's image is SIGNIFICALLY CLEANER and CLEARER than the image the 9070XT is giving me. There is plenty of proof online, just go on youtube and check for yourself.

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vini6590@reddit

You're extremely biased towards nvidia and you're letting that affect your judgment. I've also tested both cards and I can assure that they're identical in native resolutions, FSR does look worse than DLSS, I won't argue against that, but saying they're any different in native rendering is utter bullshit, even older cards look the same in native lmao

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karmapopsicle@reddit

In most modern titles you will always be running some upscaler even at native res to handle anti-aliasing. The default option in most games is basic TAA which tends to be pretty smeary and awful.

Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if that commenter’s experience comes directly from actually trying games on both cards and perhaps they’re defaulting to DLAA on Nvidia vs TAA or FSR on AMD.

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Sufficient-Loan8729@reddit

They use handle, texture, lighting, reflections, and calculations differantly. That results in a difference in the native renders. I have zero clue what you are trying to say that they at identical which is just bs. They do NOT look the same even at native.

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vini6590@reddit

Yeah yeah sure man, I'm not going to discuss with a schizo lmfao

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Stratty88@reddit

I’m similarly considering both and maybe someone can correct me if I’m wrong but gaming on linux is much simpler with the 9070xt than with the 5070ti. Even if the 5070 is technically more future proof, I’m leaning towards the 9070 since I plan on moving away from windows in the near future.

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ChilliBaconSandwich@reddit

5070ti is better except on price to performance. But you can go with 9070xt and get a new 1440p 165hz monitor.

Or you can burn that $200 if you really want nvidia.

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Respacious@reddit

From my personal experience, I'd gladly trade that 200 for the hours of frustration I've had dealing with amd. Driver support is absolutely not where it needs to be with their "top of the line" cards.

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piero0912@reddit

It's funny to say that because, as a former 5070 user, I had the worst driver experience with that GPU.

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Respacious@reddit

Yeah guess it can go both ways, that's why I try to specify it's my own anecdotal experience. Got to look at how prevalent those issues are to distinguish between 1 bad card vs a bad system.

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piero0912@reddit

Well then, you haven't been paying much attention to the forums; it was a widespread problem.

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ChilliBaconSandwich@reddit

I did the same thing. I think it's also $200 difference when I got my 5070ti. No regrets though.

only suggested the 9070xt, so OP can upgrade his monitor to higher hz.

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ElectricGhostMan@reddit

isnt it like $400 difference today?

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HayesBrewery@reddit

I went from a 3080 to a 5080ti. Love it

I think 9070XT is the good value option, but when you factor in DLSS4, framegen, and any future enhancements to other software goodies for RTX5000 series; the 5070ti just kinda blows it away.

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Thorwoofie@reddit

For RT/PT/Upscaling Nvidia is better, but comes at a significant premium pricetag. AMD used to be better for rasterizantion and pricing. But at least on my region AMD seem to have dropped the ball on the gpu department, since prices closely match nvidia, when on previous gens ie: 6000/7000 series you had a wider gap on pricing on pure raster performance.

However RT/PT still quite heavy for what it offers and still has plenty of issues, but imo dlss/FG are what for most will be worth for, since FSR despite steady improvements, the quallity still lagging behind. Worst part is getting more common for game min/rec specs to use upscaling and FG to reach 30/60 LOL more and more reliance on this, good example is newer lego game where you need upscale/FG to run at 30fps (15fps true frames) or 60fps on 1440p (aka 30fps true frames).

I've a 4090, honestly can run PT or just RT but nowdays i rarely use RT/PT, ultra settings native res imo serves me well, more fps and lesser latency/input lag > eye candy, higher latency/input lag/ghosting/artifacts here and there. TLDR; Native res FTW

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ElectricGhostMan@reddit

Last I saw a 5070Ti was like $400 more than the next 9070XT. If Path Tracing is what interests you just get the 5070Ti and don't look back. The 9070XT is no slouch but the $400 could probably go to another part, game or expense.

I played and beat like 40 games last year and maybe 2 even offered path tracing. I'm sure as time passes more games will have it like 3 games this year for me have it but I just couldn't make the consideration for the 5070Ti even when it was just $200 more.

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EntireAd233@reddit

but none of that really actually counts what for 5% game increase

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fredman86@reddit

Ray tracing is the same on 9070xt and 5070ti. In path tracing nvidia wins for sure, but i don t think it’s justifies the cost

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nacari0@reddit

I just went from a 7900 xt tur oc to a 5070 ti oc and love it. Amd lacks the juice and finesse to give a pretty picture, esp if u wanna use upscaling. Amd also has been quite frustrating for a long time now with patches/issues.

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EntireAd233@reddit

not gonna get a huge jump you thinking of

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fredman86@reddit

9070xt and 5070ti is almost 50% faster than 6800xt and 3080.

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StayWideAwake-@reddit

Wha? A 5070 ti is almost close to a 5080, which is a lot faster than a 3080 lol

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InternationalJob1539@reddit (OP)

why?

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clouds1337@reddit

With a 1440p monitor it's a very easy choice imho: 9070xt. You don't need upscaling at that resolution, the 9070xt can easily do ~90fps+ in almost any title at native 1440p. Even with skme RT you'd still get ~60fps.

But if you want full path tracing and/or output at 4k and rely on upscaling the 5070ti is ofc better, but not at current prices. No nvidia card is worth the money atm, but if you spend that much you might as well get the 5080 and OC as much as possible.

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Respacious@reddit

If you're looking to spend hundreds of dollars for a higher end card, get the higher end card. Yes amd offers a better value, and that's where they excel. But you're not looking at "value tier" cards with this price point.

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Tiny-Extreme-9980@reddit

If you want to path trace, basically Nvidia becomes your only option. Why? Two new games excluded PT from AMD and three counting NTE but they also blacklisted slower RTX cards. PT with AMD works good in several games so far, there's still a large gap in Indiana jones and Wukong. AMD's RR is also worse than RTX's RR. Not saying 9070xt won't be getting more PT titles or that it won't work good, but so far it's much smarter to pick RTX

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Choconolait@reddit

The upscaling quality of newest version of FSR is on par with today's dlss, and definitely better than what 3080 had back in the day, so it won't be a dealbreaker.

About RT, yes, both the performance and quality of RT/PT is noticeably better on Nvidia cards. Though the value of RT/PT will widely vary depending on the kind of games you play and personal preference, and so whether if it is worth paying the extra 200$ is up to you to decide.

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Bentok@reddit

"on par" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there

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MultiMarcus@reddit

If your ambition is path tracing Nvidia is the only option you have to decide if you think it’s worth the $200 and if it’s worth this GPU likely working a bit better for next generation titles.

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Black_dubbing@reddit

Get the 9070xt and use the 200 you saved towards an Oled monitor. LCD vs Oled is a much more significant improvement over PT/RT on or off. And since you're going to use it for 1440p anyway. The 9070xt will still get you good fps with PT on in the few games that support it. At 1440p the cards are powerful enough that you won't even want to use upscaling

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_Ubos_@reddit

Path Tracing is really heavyweight RT, and for this it's no longer about "bang for the buck".

Nvidia is currently dominating this without a doubt, but I'd personally try to go for 5080 if you're really after PT, because it will definitely make the difference in this department.

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I’d suggest 165hz or so for your final move, oled absolutely. Ultra wide is a pretty decent performance hit, so unless you need it, stick to the regular resolutions.

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whomad1215@reddit

On ebay

off ebay the 5070ti is still around $900-1000