15 hours into PPL and my flight school makes me wear uniform. Normal practice?

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vtjohnhurt@reddit

Just wear your uniform to class. It's the proverbial 'chick-magnet'.

Seriously. The FAA does a lot of stuff to discourage student pilots who have an anti-authority Dangerous Attitude. For example, you will have to deal with the asinine Written Exam (it's multiple choice). Your flight school is doing you a favor by exposing your anti-authority attitudes early. This is part of your training. Change your attitude, kowtow to authority, or take up a hobby/profession where you need only obey regulations that make sense to you.

Or you could change flight schools, spend more money, and jump over the similar hurdles that the FAA will put in your way. For example, the asinine written test previously noted.

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Gulag_For_Brits@reddit

Not wanting to wear the dork ass pilot uniform as a hobby student pilot is not anti-authority lol, and those uniforms are chick repellents

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vtjohnhurt@reddit

those uniforms are chick repellents

Mormon Missionary Boys all wear a similar uniform, and they get all of the hot Morman Chicks.

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PropToThePeople_FMY@reddit

Sounds like you chose the wrong school for your vibe...There are plenty of schools that would fight over your business right now, I'd push back.

If they say no and if it's that important to you then find a better school that focuses on customer comfort over "looking the part".

You'll have plenty of years to look like a pilot... once you're a pilot... :)

Cheers!

CS

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22Hoofhearted@reddit

You're the customer don't forget that. If the uniform wasn't part of your initial contract with them, I'd politely decline. Especially if they happen to be the ones selling the uniforms, flight schools are absolute pros at milking money from customers.

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VanDenBroeck@reddit

Are you cosplaying or training?! Geesh!!

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arghle@reddit

I had to wear a uniform for my (non-integrated) PPL. Slightly silly but really no big deal.

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Steve-GG@reddit

Show up in full military kakhi kit - helmet and all!

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skunimatrix@reddit

I thought we back to Olive Drab?

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skunimatrix@reddit

Get a leather bomber jacket, leather cap, googles, and scarf. Yell about real pilots fly planes with two wings and an open cockpit...

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BlitzChriz@reddit

Wear one of those tuxedo printed on a t-shirt lol.

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plane-guy907@reddit

First world problems. Sounds like you should have done more research on your flight school

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AlexJamesFitz@reddit

Uniform for a PPL is nuts.

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ribbitcoin@reddit

Reminds me of those cheesy flight school callsigns /r/flying/comments/128clze/why_are_atp_the_school_students_now_adding_career/

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Ramrod489@reddit

Paying for the privilege is worse.

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johnqnorml@reddit

Im just getting my sport pilot, so I sewed eqaulets on my tshirts so those career track folks would give me space in the pattern.

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Redfish680@reddit

Save the thread and use a Sharpie. Don’t forget to add some stars.

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johnqnorml@reddit

Where were you when I was slaving over a hot sewing machine muttering to myself about mini-mav and lady goose?? Brilliant

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Remarkable-Bison4723@reddit

IMO there’s nothing more tacky than schools that make their students wear uniforms. As an airline pilot you’d never catch me willingly wearing a uniform unless someone’s paying me to do so

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ribbitcoin@reddit

Similar to cheesy flight school callsigns /r/flying/comments/128clze/why_are_atp_the_school_students_now_adding_career/

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AirSorvete@reddit

For some reason, I've noticed a lot of the helicopter schools over here make them wear uniforms. This is only for PPL (H) mind you!

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bigbadcrusher@reddit

Me and my instructor did a full-day XC down to CXO to build complex time, and the self-serve fuel is right next to US Aviation Academy. He started laughing at the instructor and student wearing full uniforms while we’re in comfy shorts/t-shirts

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IMABOSSSOGG@reddit

I go to that exact flight school, thank god I’m one of the few students that have the ability to wear something slightly more comfortable 😭

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bigbadcrusher@reddit

That trip to Black Walnut cost me $1800 🤣 best part is, y’all have nice ass planes and we were in a 50+ year old Arrow that looks like it shouldn’t even be flying it’s so faded

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IMABOSSSOGG@reddit

Shit I wished we had nice planes, most of the ones we fly are 40-50 y/o 152s

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Traditional_Sun_3494@reddit

As someone who went to a normal flight school and then US aviation, your laughs are warranted but hurtful none the less

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boldoldpilot@reddit

Those blue shirts still haunt me in my dreams

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Few-Panda7558@reddit

Well said. Either pay me or reduce my hourly cost or I’m not wearing the uniform.

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Rush_1_1@reddit

Pretty cringe. I fly in Canada and for my ppl I wore anything I wanted (pants and no open shoes is the only req). Some dudes are in full blown mechanic suits in the winter, some wear their ramp jackets. It's great.

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UsedandAbused87@reddit

I mean, I wear my entire Air Force mess dress anytime I am flying. Gotta look the part.

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jman014@reddit

Yeah fuck that I’ve been paying a ton for my ppl i mostly wear comfortable clothes.

I’d leave my school in an instant

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DadOnTheInternet@reddit

Dang, riddle had a similar rule for students, but it was no flipflops or shorts. Everything else was fine.

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MountainObscuration@reddit

Yes. You’re in good hands. Pilots that wear uniforms are the best, as demonstrated by the airline’s and military.

Dude I flew with CFIs that would show up in flip flops and sweat pants.

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NYPuppers@reddit

There are certainly places where it is easier to get a PPL but if you are flying and studying to the standards and pass with a normal rule-following DPE it is an achievement, particularly if you are doing it anywhere with complex airspace and traffic.

Uniform is dumb tho.

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Murky-Resident-3082@reddit

Dress for the job you want

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Lpolyphemus@reddit

Uniforms at flight school are ridiculous for many reasons. They should be replaced with a simple dress code that emphasizes casual professionalsm.

But if the uniform requirement exists, you’re not going to get anywhere arguing it. You have two options: wear their uniform or don’t take flying lessons from them.

Personally I would

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tac0kitti@reddit

i'm at an european flight school doing atpl integrated and i still wish we didn't have to wear uniforms especially in spanish summer heat... i know my school also makes ppl students wear it

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zkramka@reddit

You’re paying them they aren’t paying you. If you can fire your instructor you can refuse a uniform and if they have an issue with that then tell them you’ll take your business elsewhere and watch how quickly that rules goes away.

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ItsReallyLebron@reddit

Why are people so against flight schools requiring the pilot uniform? I see it commonly at school outside of the US. I think if nothing else that kind of establishes professionalism from the jump and how to present yourself in this profession. I mean wearing shorts and a Tee like most of us do is cool but the uniform itself isnt necessarily bad or a goofy thing either lol

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ItsReallyLebron@reddit

Bunch of losers downvoting me for saying i see nothing wrong with wearing the uniform at a fucking flight school lmao get real guys

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HardCorePawn@reddit

Probably just a cultural thing... a lot of people in "Not the US"™ grow up going to school in uniform. Certainly, most high schools in my country have uniforms, so the concept of wearing a uniform while attending a flying school isn't completely outrageous.

Having said that, it's mostly just the bigger schools (and generally only for students on the "integrated" courses) that do it or ones teaching foreign airline cadets etc. I've seen a lot of schools that let the "part-time" PPL students wear whatever they want while the full-time commercial pilots wear uniforms.

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Pyrausta85@reddit

Your flight school isn’t just making you wear a polo with their insignia? That’s what mine does along with khakis for some insurance reasons.

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Ok-Distance-426@reddit

"because PPL doesn’t even feel like anything serious or an achievement."

Really? That's an unusual attitude to have over something that less than 1% of people ever do. Maybe you need the uniform more than you think. Aviation *is* serious, pal. Get it wrong enough times, you'll find out just how serious: deadly serious.

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Wallbanger123@reddit

Whatever you do, don’t put $30k down up front. Also, don’t pay $30k for your ppl.

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hopzhead@reddit

You’re the customer

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FelonAce@reddit

I say come in a flight suit and then tell him HE'S underdressed.

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InitialEquipment7967@reddit

with life preserver and anti-G trousers too, ideally

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fallingfaster345@reddit

I’m stuck on a Private Pilot certificate “doesn’t feel like anything serious or an achievement.”

Excuse me, what?

As far as the uniform… while I agree that flight school uniforms are silly, if it was me, and I was a student at a flight school with a uniform, I would just wear what they want me to wear for the 50 or so hours it takes to earn the cert. Shorts and a tee shirt don’t take up much space. I guess I’m just not seeing the big deal here but you do you, man!

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Horror_Egg3250@reddit (OP)

By the “doesn’t feel like anything serious or an achievement” I mean while I do everything as professionally and in a way that respects airmanship, ppl
doesn’t feel professional, serious as in something unique or very few people can do. I’m not a unique or skilled professional, I can just fly a little plane and can’t be payed for it. Getting a ppl is the easiest thing one can do in aviation world and It’s not worth being cocky or very proud of it.

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Palemka91@reddit

CPL also could not be payed. Ship could be payed. CPL can be PAID.
Sorry I had to, I miss the bot that used to correct that.

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baritone_mike@reddit

Maybe Europe is different. In the US there are only 174,155 private pilots in a country of 342 million people, that is about 1/20th of a percent of the population.

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MultiMillionMiler@reddit

That's honestly more than I expected.

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KITTYONFYRE@reddit

okay but also only .00001% can throw a disc golf drive 300, should we go and glaze these guys for being a rare breed?

you can say this about literally anything and the reason 99.99% of people don't do whatever it is is purely because they haven't tried. in the case of flying, it could also be because they're not rich - which you need to be in order to fly recreationally. I'm rich or I wouldn't be able to (80k/yr in an area with a median income of 43k is rich, people gatekeep that word for no good reason)

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StageMajestic613@reddit

Well when I finally get mine I’ll make sure 100% of the people know I have it.

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KITTYONFYRE@reddit

I'm with you man. this shit ain't that hard lol.

then again, most things that most people do ain't that hard, either - nothing I've ever done has been hard that's for sure. life is easy in the 21st century in the developed world!

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fallingfaster345@reddit

If that’s genuinely how you feel, why are you even doing it?

I sincerely hope that when you finish your certificate that you feel proud of your accomplishment. Because it is an accomplishment. And you should be proud. Less than 0.01% of the world's population holds a private pilot certificate. Sounds pretty unique to me.

No one is saying you need to be cocky, but diminishing your skills and future accomplishment ≠ humble either.

Not to mention it’s kind of insulting to a lot of people in this sub who worked hard and are proud to be GA private pilots.

Additionally, for many people, private pilot is the hardest certificate to earn. Reducing it to “the easiest thing one can do in the aviation world” simply because it precedes other ratings and certificates is a fallacy.

Man, I am officially bummed out that this is the attitude anyone has towards flying, even if it is just “flying a little plane.”

Let’s check back in when you have more than 15 hours and a leg to stand on, but in the meantime, I hope that something I’ve said will help you consider the possibility that what you’re working toward is not something to scoff at or belittle.

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546833726D616C@reddit

Push the envelope. 4 stripes on your epaulets.

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EmotioneelKlootzak@reddit

4 stripes and an anchor. Then start saying "oh my God, I think I'm in the wrong place"

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CluelessPilot1971@reddit

One week show up with this + an eyepatch and a parrot.

Following week go to another CFI and a student and tell them you're jumpseating.

After that print yourself a fake boarding pass and ask if they know where's seat 7F.

Then ask if the flight attendant can bring some coffee.

Obviously wear a hat too, listen on the guard and admonish anyone who transmits on it.

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davenuk@reddit

Meow

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Kdj2j2@reddit

Really get em with 5

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WhoaIHaveControl@reddit

https://youtu.be/f6q2VKsvQEQ

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GivenToFly@reddit

I love how he starts with 4 stripes and by the end of the video he has like 30

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OriginalJayVee@reddit

5? 5 blades is a razor. Go with 10!

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ronerychiver@reddit

[…if you want to shave like a peasant](https://youtu.be/JbCLEAUE5Rk?si=8APQdvfNMHEGzed5)

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OriginalJayVee@reddit

I remember when that video came out. Haha, I don’t even like the 5 blade monstrosities, they give me crazy irritation. I’m max 3 blades, still love the 2 blade Sensor Excel, and even have several Double Edge and Schick Injectors.

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ronerychiver@reddit

Got tired of getting ingrown hairs on my neckline no matter what I did. Switched to the Norelco OneBlade and that thing is the best.

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Kdj2j2@reddit

The chief of my flight school wore 5 stripes. He was a nut.

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3Green1974@reddit

5 stripes, tasseled shoulder boards, and a braided gold rope. Go in looking like a third world dictator. So, also a captains hat and giant mirrored sunglasses.

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Icecreamforge@reddit

If you have a friend in the armed forces see if they can slip you some old rank badges and pins, show up looking like a North Korean general lol

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Recent-Day3062@reddit

This

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-Aces_High-@reddit

Once he's got his PPL he IS PIC technically soooo

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NeutralArt12@reddit

That would be hilarious and the best solution.

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JhPPharmaGuy@reddit

So if you take a science class in college do you have to wear a lab coat? Or blue pants and shirt if you take a criminology class? Just my opinion, but that's a bit excessive. I agree with the others, your money, you choose.

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CaptMcMooney@reddit

if part 61 school, tell them to putz off and take your money elsewhere

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N40189@reddit

Unforms are normal for line pilot training. Uniforms are used in many training environments to minimize distractions and to improve safety.

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JumboTrijet@reddit

Please explain how non uniforms are more distracting and less safe.

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N40189@reddit

The data in education literature is mixed but generally favors uniforms. As an instructor I prefer uniforms rather than old sweat pants. As a passenger I’d rather not fly with a pilot in sweatpants that smell like weed or old jizz

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JumboTrijet@reddit

Well, that’s an opposite extreme. Besides, there is no reason that uniform pants can’t smell like weed or old jizz.😁

That said, I believe a dress code on the casual side of business casual would accomplish any perceived benefit from uniforms….specifically, in a flight school in Florida in the summer: shorts, polo style shirt and shoes (not sandals) seem more practical and realistic. My point here is that a dress code not involving uniforms can maintain a sense of professionalism.

In general, this uniforms for students at schools thing has more to do with marketing and zero to do with safety. It’s more like an airline pilot cosplay.

Now, describe the smell of old jizz😁

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JumboTrijet@reddit

Well, that’s an opposite extreme. Besides, there is no reason that uniform pants can’t smell like weed or old jizz.😁

That said, I believe a dress code on the casual side of business casual would accomplish any perceived benefit from uniforms….specifically, in a flight school in Florida in the summer: shorts, polo style shirt and shoes (not sandals) seem more practical and realistic. My point here is that a dress code can maintain any sense of professionalism.

Now, describe the smell of dried jizz😁

In the early 90’s, I was at a flight school in FL and, fortunately, was in the last class that wasn’t required to wear uniforms. At this school, the inspiration came from their Asiana contract students.

In general, this uniforms for students at schools has more to do with marketing and zero to do with safety. It’s more like an airline pilots cosplay.

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oh_helloghost@reddit

I’ve never seen a sim instructor or pilots undergoing recurrent training wearing their uniforms.

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AtrophiedTraining@reddit

I saw the chief pilot of a 141 school tell a student to tuck their shirt in. This is a school at which you pay 120/hr for an instructor and some 300$ / hr for a cessna 172. 141 is a bunch of tools.

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grain_farmer@reddit

I’m on 450hrs rotory and 180 hrs fixed wing and I’ve never worn a uniform, let alone pre-PPL

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experimental1212@reddit

"no thanks, so are we still on or is this goodbye?"

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imbackfromthestore0@reddit

Yeah this is stupid. You’re paying them, a lot. If they provide it it’s one thing… sort of. They called me “sweatpants” at my flight school; and they gave me my first 3 or so jobs. (Sweatpants not required)

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wandering-audi@reddit

My school all the instructors have a uniform but it’s pretty discreet nothing crazy. Never seen or heard of any students wearing a uniform. Is this just your instructor or this is a school policy??

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Otherwise_Anxiety485@reddit

I showed up to most of my flight lessons in the winter in sweatpants and a sweatshirt... I'm paying over $250 an hour, I dress how I want. Don't forget you are the customer here.

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Icy-Outside-3751@reddit

More people need to act like this, the big flight schools take advantage of people, and never treat you like a customers. You are the student but also customer who helps pay their bills.

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SpecialistAnybody239@reddit

I can see that view point unless you want to be CFI at said school one day.

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CluelessPilot1971@reddit

OP says they just wants to do PPL.

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bgrant902@reddit

If you’re just pursuing PPL for fun, fuck that.

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182RG@reddit

Don’t forget the BIG WATCH…

It’s part of the uniform.

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jeevacation_gmail@reddit

Can’t be a pilot if your watch doesn’t show VORs on it

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aftcg@reddit

And speak in METAR

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HerrGruyere@reddit

I balked at having to wear a “nicer” shirt for my DPE when I was going for my PPL. If my school told me I had to wear a uniform, I would tell them I’m switching schools.

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ShotgunAviator@reddit

Are you at a 141 or 61 school? I think it depends on the school and the culture to cultivate.

If you are at a 141 that I don't think it is out of line to have the students wear a uniform. A 141 program is, by its nature, geared to beign a professional pilot with a regid structure and is probably trying to set expectations.

If you are in a part 61 school, I'm VERY surprised they are requesting you to wear a uniform.

It sounds like you are looking for a more "causal" and flexible program. Might be time to look around.

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Recent-Day3062@reddit

This is psycho acting out. You’re paying? Right? To be told this?

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Ok_Big_3300@reddit

So cringe

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ModerateCannoli@reddit

“I do not feel like this is an entirely reasonable thing to do and I don’t even feel like I deserve these clothes because PPL doesn’t even feel like anything serious or an achievement.”

Don’t down a PPL like that. It’s an achievement and a responsibility.

But wearing a uniform is nuts. I show up in sweatpants and my favorite Malort t shirt for IFR. Only time I wore a shirt with buttons was my checkride.

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Spiritual_Ad8882@reddit

This is just an observation but from my experience when flight schools require uniforms it is a red flag and they tend to have scammy practices (nickel and dime ya for everything!!) or they end up charging too much for what a rental price should be and try to justify it as an operation that is serious because they wear uniforms. In my opinion in tiny trainer aircraft I’d rather be comfortable.

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alexdwilliams91@reddit

Not normal for a PPL, that seems crazy. Maybe for CFI/ATP. It’d be reasonable for them to ask you to wear closed toed shoes, but a full uniform? Nahhh. I train in a t shirt and gym shorts, it’s too dang hot for anything else 😅

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Ramrod489@reddit

How much are you paying for this? You’re the customer. No, it is not normal. I’ll insist on my students “dressing to egress” (pants, close-toed shoes) but that’s a safety thing. I do make my students tuck their shirts in as well, but that’s so they can puke down their shirt if it hits em quick.

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JayMcAU@reddit

29 years at a freight airline, and I can say that I hated all the military shit and use of military command structure and attitudes in the industry. It’s not good for the operations. I get the uniforms for public consumption, but at a flight school is just kind funny. JMO.

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TheGacAttack@reddit

FWIW, I wore a jacket and bow tie on my private checkride.

Here's the exact outfit I wore: https://a.co/d/0hhO7ISk

Professionalism takes many forms. Personally, I think a uniform requirement is silly for a PPL level student, especially on a non-career path. I would have the discussion with the school director, not your instructor. The instructor isn't going to set or change the policy.

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One-Cauliflower-8770@reddit

Polo and khakis are more than enough

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Relevant-Train5317@reddit

Best response: “Lol No.”

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RadamirLenin@reddit

Show up looking like Georgy Zhukov

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aw_shux@reddit

Get one of those tuxedo t-shirts and really dress up!

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Few-Panda7558@reddit

OP is this college or 141?

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Buzz407@reddit

Just don't wear the pleated skirt. That is a trap.

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Few-Panda7558@reddit

Lmao I wore my FedEx uniform to most my flights

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Cont4x@reddit

I learnt at an integrated university school and we had to wear uniforms. The appeal of them wore off after a couple of flights in them (and ironing them each laundry day). Not to mention we live in a place with very warm summers and the uniform doesn’t include shorts (to all my past instructors annoyance)

Getting a job at the end of the training, yeah absolutely I’ll wear it. I can understand management wanting their students to look cohesive, because it looks “professional”. But if they’re requesting you to wear one and at your own cost, I’d tell them that you’re simply in the PPL and if it’s a deal breaker, you’ll go somewhere else.
I know that here, schools will be more accommodating to retain students

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Aggravating_Fix_9965@reddit

Went to a flight school in Florida 141 students ended up having to wear uniforms 61 didn't while the instructors on the 61 still had to wear them.
Needless to say I finished up my ipc under 61 while started out 141

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Atlanta_Mane@reddit

They can't make you do anything. They are your customer. Find a different flight school.

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TxAggieMike@reddit

I once look into a part 142 training op for some add on multi engine training under part 61. Something that would be 10-15 hours at most.

Sho nuff, I was told I had to wear the uniform including epaulets.

While locationally convenient, this requirement and a few other items had me looking for somewhere else.

These days, I’m more of a Jimmy Buffett style when I fly and instruct. Especially when the 172 morphs into an easy bake oven with wings.

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pballer2oo7@reddit

Are you paying them?

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vivalicious16@reddit

Are you at a 141? If not….oh man. Uniforms are normal at 141s though!

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OrionX3@reddit

at some* 141s

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RaiseTheDed@reddit

OP is in Europe.

141 uniforms in the US are generally collared shirts and no jeans. Not pilot uniforms.

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testfire10@reddit

Lmao no fucking way I’d be wearing a uniform for a ppl lesson

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BigC208@reddit

You’re the customer. You pay the bills. You set the dresscode.

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DisregardLogan@reddit

Normal? Yeah in some schools.

Irritating? Also yeah.

My school’s ‘uniform’ is literally a sweatshirt and jeans. Sometimes a nice collared shirt to impress Mr. DPE.

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poser765@reddit

Are you getting on ok deal on the cost of training and or really vibing with your instructor? If so, cooperate and graduate. Every time I see a student pilot in a uniform I judge the school, not the student.

If the above is no them just don’t wear it. I imagine they’d rather take your money than make you wear M&H shit.

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voretaq7@reddit

Depends on the school and your goals. If this is part of a university program or similar that's training you for an airline career it's not the most insane requirement (though I personally think it's stupid).

If you're pursuing a PPL because you enjoy flying and just want to get your PPL?
Fuck that shit! Go find a CFI working out of a hangar who doesn't give a shit what you wear as long as it wouldn't get you a citation for indecent exposure or pose a hazard around the aircraft and train with them!

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Apprehensive_Cost937@reddit

If you're training just to fly for fun, then no. If your school isn't willing to understand that, I'd suggest you go search for a different one.

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rFlyingTower@reddit

This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:

Just got a message from my cfi saying I’ll have to wear uniform (white shirts and black trousers) starting next flight lesson

I’m not doing integrated, just ppl, if I was doing integrated cpl I’d understand the decision more as in airlines you wear smart stuff all the time and they want you to get used to it

I’m doing my flight training parallel with college, carrying around a uniform with my bag that is already bulky is not something that would be functional

I do not feel like this is an entirely reasonable thing to do and I don’t even feel like I deserve these clothes because PPL doesn’t even feel like anything serious or an achievement. Of course I fly to my best ability and responsibility but it is not “professional” flying, I’m not payed for it and even if I wanted to look fancy I wouldn’t want to wear the uniform as I’m nowhere close to a professional, didn’t even do my first solo lol

Is it reasonable to negotiate that I’d rather not wear a uniform because it’s just not gonna fit into my lifestyle that is already busy. I pay the money and I do not feel like them making me wear uniform is particularly helpful.

For context I dress well. Polos, shirts sometimes, jumpers, trousers and overall I’m trying to look smart, but not overly fancy

Cheers for the help in advance guys, safe flights and clear skies

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