Officials identify man killed by Frontier plane at Denver International Airport
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Terror-Byte-523@reddit
I feel so bad for those pilots whose lives will forever be impacted because of one persons selfish act.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
They are pilots, they dont get emotional about things like this.
Kardinal@reddit
On what do you base that conclusion?
Because we've seen quite a few pilots, train operators, bus operators, and others chime in about similar circumstances who say it definitely impacts them.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
This is not in their control. People dont worry about stupid things strangers do that is not their fault.
I assure you these pilots are not effected by this. They are not babies.
Kardinal@reddit
OK. So those who have said that it did impact them are liars?
I'll take their word for it.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
No one woth a high IQ is going to care about an idiot not in your control.
Do you get emotional when you see a crash on the highway or hear about a murder? No.
As managers and responsible adults, if someone under our control gets hurt or injured then it will effect us. But someone not in our control and not our responsibility means nothing.
asuque@reddit
This isn’t the equivalent of “seeing a crash on the highway”. It’s the equivalent of you yourself accidentally running over somebody with your car.
The pilots had to witness him moments before impact, then hear the thud, and the engine rollback, and immediately know that they just hit a human being. They had to smell the overpowering stench of cooked human filling the cabin, while knowing what it was. Then after evacuating, they had to see that engine covered in human remains, knowing that it was them that hit him. During all of that, they also had to abort a takeoff, secure an engine fire, and evacuate the plane.
No one is saying that the pilots feel like it was their fault, or feel guilty. But, most people would be traumatized by that.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
They dont care about a moron stranger damaging a plane. Nothing was their fault. There is no guilt as it was not in their control.
asuque@reddit
“They” is me and every pilot I know. I’m an airline pilot. It’s been heavily discussed amongst my friends, online forums, group chats, etc.
Kardinal@reddit
Thank you for chiming in. (Just note I'm not the one you're replying to)
I was just repeating what I have heard your colleagues in the industry say. It matters much more from the horse's mouth.
Some of us are listening when you say it impacts you.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
Im sorry but you sre emotionally stable to be a pilot if something out of your control bothers you. If you really are a pilot then I know you are just lying to troll. No pilot would say this would buy them. You think very low of pilots.
asuque@reddit
You’re clearly a troll lol.
Kardinal@reddit
I have read your comments. You do not understand human beings and you do not understand pilots. Your judgements how people behave, what is healthy behavior, and what is reasonable to expect of people are not aligned with reality.
I do not respect your opinion because I regard it as badly informed.
You have expressed many opinions. You have presented no facts. You have not constructed any logical arguments based on accurate facts. You have given opinions without support.
An opinion asserted gratuitously can be dismissed gratuitously. And so I do.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
You are out of touch with reality. People dont get emotionally compromised over strangers that they had zero controll of.
Higher IQ people wont care about this moron jumping into the planes engine. You really think very low of pilots.
Kardinal@reddit
You assert this as if it is self evident. It is not only not self-evident, it is not even relevant.
You assume "emotionally compromised" is the only standard of relevance. You are not reading carefully to note that is not what is under discussion.
You are also moving the goalposts. Now you say "emotionally compromised". Other times you use "bothers" or "don't care". Which is it? Not that I expect you to have a coherent and intelligent answer to that question; your answers are not showing a rigorous evaluation of the situation and a clear standard.
This is how I know for sure that you don't understand human behavior. First, you inflate the importance of IQ. Educated people know it has huge limitations. Second, you seem to think that IQ has anything to do with the emotional impact of such situations. That shows you don't understand what IQ actually is. And that you don't understand the relationship between intellectual intelligence and human behavior.
You say these things as if they're true. Not only are they not true, you don't explain why they're true.
If I were more rude, I'd say you're making stuff up. I'll be charitable and conclude that you are speaking of your own experience of life, and you are not mature enough to understand that your experience is not the experience of all humanity.
MacLeech@reddit
Some suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) after horrific events they've experienced. Others may suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and aren't able to understand how others can be traumatized by such events.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
stevecostello@reddit
I really hope you dropped the /s by accident.
Pilots are people. People have emotions. Pilots, therefore, have emotions and feelings. And we should never communicate that they shouldn’t.
MacLeech@reddit
Some people suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) after horrific events they've experienced. "What if's" can very real to them and the thought someone could've made a different choice or changed the timing of something that may have changed the outcome often haunts them.
Others may suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and aren't able to understand how others can be traumatized by such events. They often feel they know better than those who experienced the events first hand.
Both groups need help and are often not aware they do.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
Normal people dont care about an idiot stranger that was not in their control. The pilots dont care. This was not a passenger or an employee. This was not from anything the pilots did.
If other people dying effected you then you are not emotionally stable to he a pilot.
Now when someone under your control gets hurt or dies then it will effect you.
stevecostello@reddit
You need help.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
You need to have common sense. Are you a 10 year old?
stevecostello@reddit
You lack common sense AND emotional intelligence. You are much closer to 10 than I am.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
You are a 10 year old with your lack of common sense and emotional intelligence.
notmonicagellar1@reddit
This may be the stupidest thing I’ve seen on the internet today and that’s saying a lot considering I’ve been on Reddit quite a bit.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
Pilots are higher IQ, they dont care about something like this. It was not their fault and has nothing to do with the pilots. Pilots are not emotional babies.
notmonicagellar1@reddit
You should just stop, you’re making yourself sound uninformed. Signed, a pilots wife.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
You make it sound like you have never been responsible for other people before.
This was not in their control and has nothing to do with them. They dont care. Are you now going to claim every passenger on that plane is also traumatized???
asuque@reddit
I’m an airline pilot and I would 100% be traumatized by this. As would all of my pilot friends that have discussed this.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
You are not fit to be a pilot if you get emotionally compromised from something that is out of your control. But I get you may pretend to get paid leave for a while.
notmonicagellar1@reddit
Maybe you should look up the various forms of literature that talk about this. Or talk to a pilot, want my husbands number?
Train conductors especially, as this happens quite frequently and there is a lot of data available. So take some time to learn before mindlessly commenting.
And to answer your question, yes, there are certainly some passengers who may feel impacted by this. It doesn’t matter whose control it was in, you were there for a loss of life. The pilots saw the person and could do absolutely nothing to avoid hitting him.
MacLeech@reddit
Some suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and are traumatized by horrific events they experienced. Others may suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and don’t understand how such events bother others.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20355967
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
Im a human. I know how it is. Unless they have some brain issue then they dont care.
Do you care about every random stranger who dies that has nothing to do with you? No, you dont.
Pretty_Marsh@reddit
Unless that’s a sarcastic commentary on pilots’ aversion to acknowledging mental health concerns, you’re way off. The depression rates for train engineers is off the charts, in substantial part thanks to the number of people they routinely hit on the tracks.
Radiant-Month-1168@reddit
Sorry, but this was not in the pilots control. They will not get emotional about this. They wont care that some idiot killed himself. People die every day.
Stop acting like the pilots are babies.
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Suicide_24@reddit
Great insight word-word-number! Stupid bots ruining everything. Gtfoh
CarminSanDiego@reddit
The average pilot probably wouldn’t lose sleep over something like this
They’re built different
asuque@reddit
It would impact me tremendously. I think it’d take me awhile to get back in the cockpit, and I’d be jumpy. It would haunt me probably everytime I take off until the end of my career.
abite@reddit
It would definitely fuck with me and most other pilots I know.
Kardinal@reddit
On what do you base that conclusion?
Because we've seen quite a few pilots, train operators, bus operators, and others chime in about similar circumstances who say it definitely impacts them.
schphinct@reddit
Is that right? Source
Fit_Definition1583@reddit
Weird i got downvoted to oblivion for saying the same thing here the other day
WritingAdvanced670@reddit
You should see how much you get downvoted for asking a question. Such a lively, friendly group of folks here. 😂
Retro_Rock-It@reddit
The aviation subreddit is about as angry and toxic as equestrian subreddits I've found to be lol
lechiengrand@reddit
Oh! I’m not a horse person, so never thought about equestrian subreddits before, but I bet those are spicy! 😬
skylaneguy@reddit
That’s what happens when you take Reddit (filled with autistic weirdos) and then go to a subreddit in which there’s an even larger % of autistic weirdos.
WritingAdvanced670@reddit
😂
Kardinal@reddit
It's weird. Sometimes reddit surprised me with how reasonable redditors can be.
Sometimes it's like vultures desperate to beat a horse to death.
Thengine@reddit
that's why score is hidden by default is some subs. makes people have to read instead of bandwagoning.
human nature is a weird thing
Firestillburns52@reddit
I agree! You never know.
AdoringCHIN@reddit
This sub is one of the most elitist, assholish on this site. Sometimes you get genuine good answers but a lot of times people just want to shit on you not knowing everything about aviation
ViperThreat@reddit
don't take it personally.
I've been triple-digit downvoted for suggesting that an 18 year old dating a 40 year old is "predatory".
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Reddit mob go brr
MidwestAbe@reddit
The mind of a suicidal person isn't acting as a selfish person. It's the opposite. It's a selfless act because the world as they see it would be better off without them.
But feel free to continue to believe what you want.
the_injog@reddit
Suicide is not a selfish act. Making someone else take your life is.
lost12487@reddit
Also potentially traumatizing the people who care about you…
the_injog@reddit
I would like to day that I am not an expert. But my understanding is that in interviews with real people who attempt but fail to take their own lives, many of them report that not hurting their loved ones was what kept them from doing it sooner, and they just couldn’t stop themselves any longer, even knowing it would hurt their loved ones. Others report it was a snap decision they regret immediately. It’s always very sad and I don’t want to make generalizations. Like many I have known too many in my life who didn’t make it.
usps_made_me_insane@reddit
Hell, he traumatized 230+ people who didn't even know him.
So I will say, fuck that piece of shit, I am glad he is no longer in position to potentially hurt or kill others.
usps_made_me_insane@reddit
If we split up suicides into force homicides and none forced homicides it would be much different.
I know it isn't technically a homicide but you get my point.
AdoringCHIN@reddit
Anyone walking into the engine of a plane and risking the lives of everybody on board is (was) a selfish asshole.
Adviderisj@reddit
You arent disproving their point - in his mind, it may have been a selfless act, but in reality, it was selfish
usps_made_me_insane@reddit
This all comes down to what Marcus Aurelius said to Lucius Verus.
"We judge ourselves by our best intentions and others by their worst actions."
Kardinal@reddit
I think sometimes this is likely true.
I think sometimes they just need the pain to stop.
Suicide is probably quite complicated and there are likely many different reasons people feel this is their only choice.
Even though we know it's almost never the right choice.
MidwestAbe@reddit
Probably?
Kardinal@reddit
I'm not an expert so I'm hedging. I don't want to say something definitively that I am not entirely sure is true.
latedescent@reddit
Wild that you got so downvoted for this. Reddit really is just a cesspool of opinion
AffluentWeevil1@reddit
So selfless to throw yourself into the engine of an airplane that is actively taking off potentially killing everyone on board instead of just taking a big dose of sleeping pills or something!
StevBator@reddit
Irony.
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
They'll have probably already forgotten about it. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It was their stupid decision, I wouldn't feel responsible.
Fenderfreak145@reddit
Good lord, what?
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
They'll have probably already forgotten about it. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it. It was their stupid decision, I wouldn't feel responsible.
SerowiWantsToInvest@reddit
I'm sure killing themselves wasn't their first option
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Ein_grosser_Nerd@reddit
How do you feel about suicide bombers?
Thequiet01@reddit
I also feel sad that they think that is the best way to accomplish their goals.
jewrassic_park-1940@reddit
He put a lot of people in danger doing that, and passed that trauma to others. You can feel compassion for the person and still condemn their actions
Kardinal@reddit
I'm not blaming the operator on duty.
I'm not blaming the operator on duty.
Guard duty is not easy and when 99.999% of the alarms are false, and I'm sure that's been their experience, it's insanely difficult to take them seriously.
Looks like there are some opportunities for improvement here to help distinguish false alarms from alarms that should be acted on.
I hope they can find some good ways to help with that.
just-a-cowpoke@reddit
this is already so much more than what most airports have
Remarkable_North_999@reddit
Fr the airport I work at has a fence and someone who checks to make sure the gates are locked, occasional runway inspection for FOD and that is all. Most of the time if their is a dog which is usually the culprit on the runway I just call ops or tower and tell they'll them there is a dog or something on the runway. This isnt a small airport either.
DeliciousFrosting402@reddit
Once upon a time I had a key that fit the padlocks on the fence. It was the Bismark ND airport kinda by a school I used to go to in 1990. I was separated from a lot of my stuff at the time and I never messed around over there again.
I used to work at an oilfield service place where they had locks on their stuff so I had a key to get whatever I needed that they had locked up. When I went to another job I forgot to turn in the key. You can tell going by the numbers on the bottom of a Masterlock padlock and just by the odds they had the same lock we had.
BrentCrude666@reddit
In a western country, 1984. Snuck around the perimeter fence (it ended) of the international airport in the biggest city one night. Smoked a joint in a ditch under the wing of a 747 as it lined up for takeoff. Great days to be young. :-)
GravitasFailures@reddit
I mean, imagine shutting down the airport because a herd of deer walked up on the fence, there must be so many false positives.
Starrion@reddit
Wildlife, wind shaking the fence, brittle wires that flood the system with false alarms…. It’s incredibly difficult to react in time, and it was two minutes. They couldn’t have even gotten a vehicle across the airport in two minutes, even if the detection was spot on.
DeliciousFrosting402@reddit
they said he was way down on the end about 2 miles from the front gate. I guess if I wanted to pull some shit I would go way down there too. But they’re saying it was suicide for sure. They identified him and probably got some information from maybe friends and family. I wonder what the tox says.
IncredibleVelocity4@reddit
…for an airport perimeter twice the size of Manhattan.
(I think that’s the stat I heard)
aflyingsquanch@reddit
That is accurate. Its the 2nd largest airport by size in the entire world at 53 square miles.
You could fit O'Hara and LAX completely inside its perimeter.
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
What the fuck
Lovahplant@reddit
Yep - they planned wayyyyy ahead to be able to expand in the future. The last I read, there’s 2 (maybe 3?) runways already prepped for expansion at DEN, just covered by a layer of dirt.
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
Is there that many people even wanting to go to or leave DEN lol
mdp300@reddit
Their previous airport got surrounded by new development and ran out kf expansion space. I guess they just really wanted to make sure that didn't happen again. Ever.
velociraptorfarmer@reddit
It's also purposely set up such that planes can taxi to any runway without having to cross an active runway, while also being able to do this in 4 separate directions depending on the wind.
meldroc@reddit
Also with the runways far enough apart that it can land 3 aircraft at once (or is it 4 now?)
ilickbutts@reddit
I just went to google maps and looked and damn is that a cool way to keep it safe and efficient. Thanks for dropping that nugget
alterigor@reddit
A Denver Nugget
Opening_Cartoonist53@reddit
It is already being surrounded.
LooksRightBreaksLeft@reddit
It’s in Kansas almost
Opening_Cartoonist53@reddit
Yeah the built the light rail and now it's all houses and development form the airport to the DT
aflyingsquanch@reddit
Its one of the busiest airports in the country...
Excellent-Gur-8547@reddit
But like Atlanta, not because people are actually going to or flying out of Denver. 45% of all passengers at DEN never leave the airport.
cdunham@reddit
Are they all still there?
PowwowPuffer@reddit
So, more than half of the people flying into DEN are going to Denver?
I'd be interested to see how that compares to other major airports like JFK, LAX, DFW, etc. Regardless, the airport doesn't exist because tourism. It exists to move people and cargo, and DEN has excellent location to take advantage of.
donutgut@reddit
lax is the leader for O and D passengers.
PowwowPuffer@reddit
Or congestion is insane because there's not enough room. O&D or connection - it's an aircraft that needs a gate, takes off, and lands.
donutgut@reddit
I was talking more about the congestion outside the terminals
zyzmog@reddit
Yeah, who's ever want to come to Colorado? Especially in the winter? Brrrr!
/jk
coleslaw17@reddit
Definitely not. Primarily a transfer hub. Geographically in the center of the country.
TigerIll6480@reddit
Plenty of space for that with TWA’s old hub facilities at Lambert, too. 🤷♂️
NetDork@reddit
Good spot for a hub!
Lovahplant@reddit
Honestly, yes? It’s a major hub for connections, and yes a lot of people also fly in to the area to visit.
On the snarky side, I agree - I think last year was the first time in my life that CO recorded more people moving out of the state than into it!
Excellent-Gur-8547@reddit
I'm like 99.9% sure that that one's a myth. They definitely have space for it, but doing this that way makes zero sense. Leaving pavement buried and unmaintained for decades would make the pavement so unusable (it would be cracked to hell and beyond uneven) that you'd have to rip it up and start over anyway.
Lovahplant@reddit
After a quick google, it looks like you’re right - 6 runways currently in operation, with planned space for 6 more, and possibly extra runways in parallel beyond that (further in the future).
I swear I read a legit source about the prepped runways, but I’m guessing it’s more “the future runway areas were leveled off and packed down in preparation for construction” not “fully built runways covered in a layer of dirt” like I thought.
Excellent-Gur-8547@reddit
I think the buried runways thing was a conspiracy theory about really long buried runways for spaceships, in line with the other nonsense surrounding DEN lol
TheCygnusWall@reddit
They're runways for the bull to use
SeaMareOcean@reddit
HAIL BLUCIFER!
Lovahplant@reddit
Ohhhhh. I did go down the DEN conspiracy rabbit hole one night (don’t judge, please), so yeah I probably misremembered my source on that one. Yikes. Thanks for the reminder to double check my sources before quoting random “knowledge” 😅
AdoringCHIN@reddit
The Denver conspiracies are fun and bat shit crazy though
Excellent-Gur-8547@reddit
Oh no, conspiracies are always fun to read, no judgement haha
FlyNSubaruWRX@reddit
There’s no runways covered by dirt lol
rigsreddit@reddit
Also it takes long, long runways to get large planes to get enough speed for liftoff at high altitude.
CharcoalGreyWolf@reddit
Denver is also multiple air shipping hubs, so in addition to passenger services they have a large number of cargo flights
oSuJeff97@reddit
Yeah that freaking airport is HIGE and it’s out in the middle of nowhere… it can take an hour+ to get to downtown Denver from the airport, depending on traffic,
fresh_like_Oprah@reddit
Is there a train?
CitronTraining2114@reddit
Yes.
rigsreddit@reddit
Also it takes long, long runways to get huge airplanes enough speed for lift at high altitudes.
w4559@reddit
Scarlett?
aflyingsquanch@reddit
Lmao...stupid autocorrect
Xiaopang-Douk@reddit
Weird tangent but autocorrect mistakes make for some real funny unintentional jokes, especially in this situation where we all know you meant to say O'Hare lol..
PowwowPuffer@reddit
*largest
The only reason it's not officially the largest is because of a Saudi airport that's got like half the infrastructure and includes undeveloped desert as part of its land. The functional area of King Fahd airport is much smaller than what they list. It's literally just another Saudi mega dream like the Line, which may be realized, but for now it's just emptiness.
amorphatist@reddit
Agreed that King Fahd claimed area is fiction, but tbf most of DIA area is undeveloped prairie too
MasterP65@reddit
And bigger than the city of San Fransisco by square miles too.
DaBingeGirl@reddit
Holy shit, that's huge! I knew it was big when I was there, but didn't realize how massive it is. I'm also used to flying out of Midway, so everything else feels huge.
LubedUpLucas_DrySpa@reddit
That’s…. That’s…
peophole@reddit
It's 53 square miles. Has 36 miles of fence.
JustAnotherParticle@reddit
The guy beelined towards the plane engine. Absolute madness
mxforest@reddit
Of all the use cases, having an AI system attached to an Infrared camera would have made it so much easier.
GravitasFailures@reddit
Yeah, security is moving to this, and drones to check out/patrol.
Kardinal@reddit
I think drones and AI, when tuned and tested properly could absolutely be a big help in this regard.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
It's nice to be around smart people when the majority of the internet thinks "drones and AI" are the boogeyman. These types of things are an amazing tool and will continue to improve. The anti AI movement on the internet is so annoying. Of course there's negative uses and we need to figure out data center efficiency but that's solvable and not inherent.
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
AI helps idiots write resumes with misspellings.
But those people are the smart ones apparently. Sorry not everyone wants computers to think for them.
Telepornographer@reddit
It's because there is little to no regulation right now. Those holding the reigns have demonstrated such an astounding lack of ethics in its development that there's a reason why lots of people already scorn its use.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
How am I getting downvoted lmao I'm literally echoing the sentiment of the guy above me
schenkzoola@reddit
And with enough legal guardrails around it to prevent misuse! The legal guardrails must be set up first!
moofie74@reddit
Best I can do is airborne HK drones with no person in the loop.
joshwagstaff13@reddit
You dont even need anything AI related, seeing as algorithm-based object recognition using imaging sensors has been a thing for a while.
CollegeStation17155@reddit
And in this case might not have mattered anyway; those damned deer are fast and can clear the fence as easily if not easier than a human, and sucking a 200 lb buck into the engine would likely have had the same result.
Jbrahms4@reddit
Especially for an airport that is really out in the middle of no where. There is a TON of wildlife out there since most of it is undeveloped.
SmellyMickey@reddit
Not to mention Rocky Mountain Arsenal Nature Preserve shares a border to the east. There is so much wildlife in the preserve.
Kardinal@reddit
Good point. Or even just delaying a flight. The pressure to be sure you're right is, I am certain, enormous, and the consequences of calling a stop or delay when it is unwarranted are probably significant.
This is where the processes can change to make that operator less subject to those pressures. Build in some expected delay tolerance. Honest reviews of honest mistakes and when mistakes are made, focus on teaching rather than disciplinary action.
Still it's not easy. If you have an operator who just doesn't have the judgment necessary you also have to be able to move them somewhere their skills can be used.
It's a very difficult balancing act.
asmrhead@reddit
Yes you are.
ShadowedPariah@reddit
FWIW, the Air Force treats all civilian airports as security risks even for parked planes overnight. The one I'm working on wasn't intended to stay at a civ airfield, but plans changed and now they're all getting locks.
DoctorZebra@reddit
Not really a surprise since the Air Force has different security requirements than civilian aviation. I don't imagine there's much call for encrypted comms, classified electronic warfare equipment, weapons systems, etc., on civilian aircraft.
LackadaisicalPear@reddit
Why are the sensors outside the fence? Why not have sensors inside the fence?
Kardinal@reddit
Outside the fence you can prevent them from getting in in the first place.
And you only have so much money.
TheManWith2Poobrains@reddit
AI can easily distinguish between deer and humans.
Doesn't mean they should drop the operator on duty though, which I'm sure some bean-counter will suggest.
aqaba_is_over_there@reddit
My organization recently looked at a new security solution and fence jump detection was an offered feature.
Devincc@reddit
I mean…if the AI is proven it can reduce false alarms. It would have saved a life, a delayed trip, a plane engine, and countless man hours of investigating, rebookings, unloading luggage, taking apart the engine, fixing the engine, etc etc.
This was simply human error and AI can eliminate that if implemented correctly
TheManWith2Poobrains@reddit
Agreed.
Not to mention that a high-profile suicide like this encourages more people to do the same, making things significantly more challenging for airports. It's why bridge suicides are rarely reported anymore (certainly in a few places in the UK, the local press know not to).
Kardinal@reddit
A human can too. I think the value is actually in being able to see both at the same time and alert on the human.
I have some experience implementimg artificial intelligence solutions for my company. And I've talked to others who have done similar.
I've seen much more concern about making sure that decisions and outputs are accurate than I have concern about how it is going to improve the bottom line. This is especially true in safety situations and health situations. I'm seeing a great deal of care taken to ensure that these solutions are making good decisions and frankly, so far I haven't seen any humans taken out of the loop for any decisions or actions by artificial intelligence solutions yet.
Now I'm just one guy and my experience is just anecdote. But it's also true and valid and relevant.
TheManWith2Poobrains@reddit
Having worked at a company implementing AI solutions for identifying shop-lifters, they were paranoid about it generating false positives (and annoying customers), rather than missing a small one-off theft. Totally the opposite than a safety issue, but it still highlights the issues with AI.
Kardinal@reddit
But also highlights that the stereotype that management just says "oh just implement AI and it will solve the problem and we can fire all the humans " is often not the case.
Devincc@reddit
We’re talking about a security guard who has dealt with I’m sure hundreds if not thousands of false alarms. At what point does the human mind go numb to this alarms and let an actual incident occur? Well we just found out.
Why continue to let a human stress about these things when we can implement a program to actively get better at detecting false alarms and then learning what triggers them? It won’t get tired or lazy and have to live with guilt if something does go wrong
Kardinal@reddit
Fair point.
If it's good enough. That's the trick. And someday it will be. Is that today? Tomorrow? Next year? 2036? That's the magic question.
YukonDude64@reddit
Yeah I’d call that an issue in the sensitivity tuning in the surveillance software. I wonder if it was AI-enabled.
Excellent-Gur-8547@reddit
Especially with the wildlife refuge so close by.
PunkAssBitch2000@reddit
This is so sad and just highlights how important access to mental healthcare is.
FuhrerInLaw@reddit
The guy was a total piece of shit, 20 plus arrests including attempted murder and multiple violent assaults. He should have just died in prison instead of wanting to take out hundreds of people.
KeynoteBS@reddit
Yup. There is a guy in our area with a known history of mental illness. Probably in his 30s. Negligent parents have since abandoned him a long time ago. Was squatting in a building. And then murdered the father of a young family because he had visions and hallucinations. Multiple complaints, police reports, etc.
drno31@reddit
Psychiatrist here. They don't give us the tools to treat people who refuse treatment, even when outcomes like this seem inevitable.
cccxxxzzzddd@reddit
What would some of the tools be? Invol hold?
drno31@reddit
Involuntary outpatient commitment combined with housing. It works when the tools are in place.
hatlad43@reddit
A glock
JustAnotherParticle@reddit
Where did you read about 20 plus arrests? This article only specified that he was homeless and had 2 arrests.
railker@reddit
Best original source I can find is that the New York Post did some records searches. None of the mugshots in their article I can find anywhere on reverse image search that don't relate to today's news release.
https://nypost.com/2026/05/12/us-news/denver-airport-trespasser-michael-motts-criminal-past-revealed-as-photos-emerge-after-he-was-mangled-by-jet-engine/
GlumWestern9847@reddit
Even if people have access, it doesn’t always work. But, for many people it does help.
MysteriousSelection9@reddit
I have no gripes against suicidal people, as that’s your own personal decision, but if you’re gonna do it at least do it in a way that doesn’t endanger the lives of other people.
ScipioAfricanusMAJ@reddit
This isn’t about suicidal people this is about narcissistic people. He wanted to ruin peoples lives. Otherwise you can just fall asleep with your car on in your garage
meldroc@reddit
Hard to say what this guy's mental illnesses were. I do suspect malice; this guy has a long rap sheet. Real piece of work.
GracchiBros@reddit
This hasn't worked in decades. Nor do most people have a house with a garage.
NorkGhostShip@reddit
People experiencing suicidal or other mental health episodes aren't really thinking about the rational consequences of their actions. Believe me, I know.
NorthvilleCoeur@reddit
Yes, but did you choose to do something that could have directly killed other people? That’s why I think it’s more than suicidal intent personally. I am glad you are still with us.
NorkGhostShip@reddit
I didn't choose to do anything that actually ended up putting myself or other people in danger, but I very much could have. When these things happen you're not thinking rationally about how best to minimize harm.
There are times when people take suicidal actions after contemplating the best methods and feeling there's no alternative, and there are times when people take drastic actions without having any rational part of the mind in control.
I don't know what was going through this person's mind. I feel sympathy for the pilots and everyone else, and I hope they can get all the help they need to cope with an incredibly traumatic event. That doesn't mean that I don't feel sympathy for this man, because while I don't know what his mind was going through, I doubt the rational mind was in control.
We human beings are all on a spectrum of how in control the rational mind is. No one's rational mind is 100% in control all of the time, nor are people with mental ailments 100% irrational. We all lie somewhere, and it's hard to know what can cause the wrong part to take over, and when.
Sassy-irish-lassy@reddit
Entering a restricted area on an airfield is methodical. It's not as simple as laying down on a railway. It very obviously requires intent and some level of planning.
Uncertain__Path@reddit
Never heard of psychosis eh?
iamthe0ther0ne@reddit
There isn't evidence, at least in this article, that the intent was suicide vs a psychotic episode that made the guy ignore the risks
Kardinal@reddit
The official cause of death is suicide.
Cel_Drow@reddit
The cause of death being suicide (self-harm resulting in death) is immutable, but we’ll likely never know whether that was the original intent when they entered the secure area or not.
DatBeigeBoy@reddit
Bro hopped the fence of the largest intl airports and stood directly in the path of an aircraft.. at night. You have hear and see the aircraft screaming down the runway at you. Watch the video, dude just stays right where they are. That definitely seems like the original intent. Yeah, technically no one will truly know the truth.. but I can add 1+1.
heyitsapotato@reddit
He's shuffling absently across the runway, then it looks like he turns slightly at the last second to face the engine coming directly at him. There's so much about this incident that I cannot get out of my head, including and especially that.
Ginger_Exhibitionist@reddit
This dude had a VERY long rap sheet that indicated a disregard for other human beings. I absolutely think he tried to bring it down with him.
nothingbutfinedining@reddit
Seems equally as likely a psychotic episode, does it not? Like sure, we could still say it was a suicide during a psychotic episode, but I think it’s fair to stay open to the very likely possibility that they weren’t in the right state of mind.
StayJaded@reddit
The vast majority of people that die from suicide are not “in their right state of mind.”
nothingbutfinedining@reddit
Exactly, I think it’s an important thing to acknowledge when everyone wants to jump to malicious intent on the person endangering all these people.
Kardinal@reddit
I'm no professional.
But I strongly suspect that when the cause of death is suicide, intent is inherently part of that evaluation.
If his actions unintentionally lead to his death, it would be ruled accidental, not suicide.
oh_dear_now_what@reddit
Easier to infer intent when there’s a note, which there wasn’t in this case, reportedly.
Kardinal@reddit
For whatever reason, the authorities determined it's a suicide. They would not do that without evidence. So I think it's reasonable to conclude there is evidence.
It's not certain. They can be wrong. But it is reasonable to conclude.
nmiller248@reddit
Yea. Even without 100% conclusive evidence, I think its probably a safe bet it was suicide. Common sense would tell you that.
Cel_Drow@reddit
Standards are apparently not a thing among MEs, so it’s mostly a determination based off of available evidence.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4411039/
Most likely the evidence is that this person broke into a secure area and walked onto the runway during an active takeoff, indicating intent to commit the act in some capacity.
If they thought they were breaking into Narnia and seeing dragons flying towards them, we will likely never know.
CollegeStation17155@reddit
The image of him WALKING across the runway and stopping just before being hit could indicate suicidal intent, or "deer in the headlights" syndrome while attempting to get to a hanger for some reason.
railker@reddit
Arguably the intent could simply be crossing the fence. While not direct evidence of 'I want to go be hit by a plane', one website notes the phrase "non-accidental action initiated by the deceased" as part of that classification.
Natural and Homocide are out, your only other options out of Suicide would be Accidental or Unclassified.
MandolinMagi@reddit
Kinda hard to miss the big loud thing covered in blinking lights
railker@reddit
Yeah, same reason I remember huuuuge campaigns from the local train authorities as a kid that I'm sure are still active to this day: 'lights coming at you are freakishly hard to judge the speed of', don't fuck around on the tracks, you have less time than you think.
flightist@reddit
Yeah, that’s my read too. Scaling the fence and then marching across the runway without any evident regard for the very loud, very brightly lit airliner screaming towards you is a pretty tough sell as an accident, even in the absence of clear intent.
usps_made_me_insane@reddit
In the infrared video, you can see him not only waiting on the runway, but adjusting his location slightly so that he was lined up with the engine.
He also knew approximately where V1 was located for that plane type.
SnittingNexttoBorpo@reddit
The cause of death was blunt and sharp force injuries. The manner was suicide.
Kardinal@reddit
I sit corrected.
ricoimf@reddit
About suicide, there comes always that one German wings pilot to my mind in the French alps about 10 years ago. A neighbor of ours was on that plane.
gummi-demilo@reddit
Yeah that asshole is why we have to have more than one person in the cockpit at all times.
CommuterType@reddit
No. The requirement to have 2 people in the cockpit at all times (in most countries) predated the Germanwings murders. While it should be a common sense regulation remarkably some governing bodies had still not adopted the practice at the time the crime was committed
CommuterType@reddit
That wasn’t suicide. It was mass murder
AdventurousClassroom@reddit
Por que no los dos?
Please forgive me.
Chicago_Blackhawks@reddit
This almost was too
NookInc_CFO@reddit
There were also China eastern and Air India that happened fairly recently. (And speculatively MH370) Let’s not have sympathy for those pilots. They deserve to be in hell perpetually.
JustAnotherParticle@reddit
Which air India flight? It’s not the one that crashed ontop of the medical school dorms right?
railker@reddit
That's the one. Coming up on a year now, should at least have an updated report if not the final sometime next month.
AnyBaseball-9523@reddit
AI171 was likely a technical failure, tho authorities want to frame it as suicide so boeing and air india are relieved.
knobtasticus@reddit
This isn’t the play at all. The ‘authorities’ - the Indian Government - want to frame it as a technical failure so that the blame is on Boeing and not the airline or the pilot. Indian nationalism and protecting national pride has - and will continue to be - priority #1.
DinkleBottoms@reddit
What part of India are you from?
Golden_Hour1@reddit
That one is horrifying. I cant imagine the fear the passengers had if they were still conscious
Jinjinz@reddit
They were. They were all screaming and freaking out as the pilot was trying to smash the door down.
everythingbagellove@reddit
NTSB also just ruled the China Eastern crash in March 2022 was intentional. I was horrified watching the footage
JustAnotherParticle@reddit
Was that the plane that fell out of the sky nose first?
railker@reddit
To be clear, it's not the NTSB's investigation and they cannot and did not rule anything. The CAAC is the lead on that investigation and without the legal loophole of FOIA, I'm not sure would be allowed to release anything at all.
Most of the released report covers the recovery efforts they participated in to obtain the data, the closest they get to calling it intentional is the statement on the recovered data, "Looking for the reason that the engine N2 dropped below the generator cutoff speed, it was found that while cruising at 29,000 ft, the fuel switches on both engines moved from the run position to the cutoff position."
eekspiders@reddit
My condolences
ricoimf@reddit
Thanks, that was a very tough time for the widow and the kids. They gladly weren’t on it but their world got shattered in a heartbeat.
NorthvilleCoeur@reddit
I see it as pure evil
Maureen_Johma@reddit
No they are fucking selfish assholes who have no regard for other peoples life. Everyone on that plane was at risk of dying.
RedRacc98@reddit
You speak the truth lol. Nothing immediately makes you more of a selfish asshole than killing yourself while putting others in danger. If you're so upset with life, go in the woods with a bottle of whiskey and a gun and end it your way. Stop putting others in danger to make a spectacle of your death. If you're truly suicidal and want to die, you won't go out of your way to go to a public place and kill yourself in such a public way using public transport (ik it's not really public transport, but it's transport that the public uses so no difference and fuck this guy)
GracchiBros@reddit
This comment shows complete ignorance at such a mental state. You can be suicidal and still not be able to pull the trigger of a gun on yourself. It's much easier to have an outside factor do the deed.
RedRacc98@reddit
Sounds like you're a pussy too 🤔
RedRacc98@reddit
So I'll force someone else end my life because I'm too pussy to do it myself! Get over yourself and end it all, loser
flecom@reddit
and what if a kid comes across the gun?
RedRacc98@reddit
Free gun!
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OhItsBeenBroughten@reddit
That’s what they said. Maybe read it again. They don’t disagree with you.
CantDoThatOnTelevzn@reddit
We’re cooked if that’s the overwhelming response to your statement, which would’ve been considered received wisdom 20 years ago.
Reddit is hell.
Rob71322@reddit
That’s a rational comment but suicidal people aren’t really rational so it’s difficult to expect that out of people actively trying to end their own lives.
raptorlightning@reddit
It's probably more accurate to say the rational ones already do it politely, we just hear about the bad ones.
VotingRightsLawyer@reddit
I worked with a guy who constantly talked about killing himself. He always said he wanted to jump in front of a subway train at the height of rush hour to fuck up as many people's days as possible.
Guy was an asshole but I just cannot imagine living every day of my life that miserable.
improbablydrunknlw@reddit
As an ex subway operator with string of bad luck. Fuck him very much.
RememberKoomValley@reddit
Yeah...when I was actively suicidal a big part of the reason I didn't go through with it was that I couldn't figure out a way that wouldn't be unduly troublesome to strangers.
Kardinal@reddit
I'm glad you didn't. Hope you're doing better now. Sounds like it. Happy for you.
RememberKoomValley@reddit
There are still some hard weeks--suicidality is so often a chronic disorder, but I've lived long enough to recognize it and be like "You fucking gremlin, shoo!" which works well enough. And when it doesn't work, I can, so far, march through the bad week with the knowledge that so far every bad time has been followed by a good one. Might not be so forever, but...I haven't seen every interesting thing that there is to see, so I keep walking.
Things are really good, these days. Big veggie garden, loving spouse, plenty to read and plenty to eat. I'm lucky.
Deep-Purchase-2203@reddit
You are completely on point.
Kruse@reddit
click
Kardinal@reddit
There's truth in that.
We tend to focus on the spectacular ones. It's understandable but we should recognize it's not the norm. That's why they're spectacular.
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ChrisFromSeattle@reddit
Suicidal people can definitely be rational, not all are emotional. Just because we don't see it that way, doesn't mean it wasn't a choice made through logic and reasoning.
rotundrikishi@reddit
Yeah, I have so much empathy and I get it but this could have really killed a lot of other people very easily.
stupid_cat_face@reddit
Agreed. David Foster Wallace said that the moments just before someone eliminates their own map for keeps are deeply selfish and self-centered
FinePieceOfAss@reddit
in other words, is that what you got out of infinite jest?
stupid_cat_face@reddit
Yea. It’s paraphrased from Infinite Jest. I don’t know why people down voted me so much
gefahr@reddit
I think because, having never previously read a word of DFW's writing, your paraphrasing is a completely inaccurate summary of the passage provided by the parent commenter.
bschmidt25@reddit
And also, keep in mind the mental health of the people who will be unwittingly taking your life. This is something those pilots and passengers are going to carry for a very long time.
thezentex@reddit
I was in charge of the cleanup when a similar ingestion happened at SAT. Not a fun day. Feel bad for the crew and cleanup crew. Airside ops.
Saiyan_B@reddit
What happens to the plane? Do they have to replace the engine or anything like that?
meldroc@reddit
I imagine a lot of the rest of the plane needs inspection & repairs, for shrapnel damage, also things like cleaning up and fixing the Soylent smoke damage in the cabin. That smell will never go away.
thezentex@reddit
Yeah usually the engine has to be rebuilt.
Mammoth-Anywhere-520@reddit
How is stuff like that cleaned up?
zaemis@reddit
there's not much to clean up. A lot is ingested into the engine and vaporized. The rest can be sprayed out and the engine repaired.
redditredditredditOP@reddit
Why are you arguing with someone who has actually picked up after an “ingestion”?
It’s a ridiculous stance to have tbh.
zaemis@reddit
I stated what I (thought I) knew. Someone replied. I asked for clarification. Not everything is bad faith argument. Sometimes that's how we learn and corret misunderstandings.
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
Answering someone’s question with an opinion when you don’t know the answer is a “misunderstanding” now?
You learn by listening to people with knowledge and experience- not throwing your own uneducated guesses as answers.
skylaneguy@reddit
Because it’s Reddit.
thezentex@reddit
Wrong. Tons of 1" chunks scattered all over. 120' behind the engine.
zaemis@reddit
With blades spinning 2000 rpm plus 2500-3000 degrees combustion?
thezentex@reddit
Yeah I've got the pics to prove it. Seen it first hand.
zaemis@reddit
Im sorry you've seen that :(
thezentex@reddit
Part of the job for some people.
I_am_Mun_C@reddit
Most of the debris does not go through the hot section, but through the bypass.
Jaydee888@reddit
Go have a Google of high bypass turbo fan engine. Most of the air/ object ingested does not enter the combustor.
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
The first responders reported limbs on the runway in Denver. That doesn’t sound like nothing to clean up.
Jose_Canseco_Jr@reddit
with great difficulty
thezentex@reddit
Broom and trash bags. Takes a long time.
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BelethorsGeneralShit@reddit
I've cleaned up the results of a massive bird strike just after V1. Several large Canada geese into a Lear 60's engines.
We had to bring out a street sweeper and snow plow which got rid of the larger chunks. Then the smaller pieces were picked up by hand.
XCPuff@reddit
Pricing start with a big bag and gloves I would imagine, moving next to the water hose.
hkkensin@reddit
Ugh, I hate that it’s referred to as an “ingestion.” I get it, but it just sounds so brutal.
thezentex@reddit
Ain't that the truth
RedMacryon@reddit
Sounds dreadful honestly
thezentex@reddit
Yeah not for everyone tonsee that's for sure
phishvincent@reddit
Oh man, was this on a Delta CFM56-5A? I think I remember this.
thezentex@reddit
Yup
STLItalian@reddit
How long until the family announces they are suing DIA, Frontier, the FFA, TSA, DHS 🙄
Theaspiringaviator@reddit
you think this guy has family? 😂
SharpWill9879@reddit
Actually he has a daughter. She seemed preteen. He's on FB.
asuque@reddit
That’s sad
Kardinal@reddit
Never.
!remindme one year.
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OriginalGoat1@reddit
Runways are large and most of the plane is not in contact with the ground. Entering an active runway is certainly hazardous but I don’t think there is any certainty of being struck by a plane during takeoff, unlike say, stepping in front of a train which is constrained to a fairly narrow track. He was certainly not behaving rationally, but in the absence of other direct evidence of intent, we cannot rule out that he was simply in an impaired mental state and that this was misadventure rather than suicide.
julian6@reddit
On the video it does appears like he timed his pace in line with the take off roll of the plane. He also seems to briefly turn his head towards the incoming plane. I think suicide is the most likely scenario but a irrational (psychotic) state cannot be ruled out. This occurence reminds me of an individual in my hometown who overdosed on psychedelic drugs, wandered on the nearby highway, got struck and killed. Beforehand there was no indication of any suicidal tendencies.
asuque@reddit
It’s odd though because he gets hit by the opposite side engine. It seems a lot more logical to just step into the engine that is on the same side of the runway as you. But he causally strolls across the center line and gets taken out by Eng 2.
Intelligent_Owl_377@reddit
Probably an ignorant question, but how did they identify him so quickly in spite of his cause of death?
freshoutofbatteries@reddit
His fingerprints were intact and he’d been arrested 19 times.
type_E@reddit
Didn't he get gibbed by the engine, how'd his fingers survive
timesuck47@reddit
I heard they found limbs on the runway
rotundrikishi@reddit
Would be a hell of a thing to have to work clean up duty on.
Bless those people who did.
thezentex@reddit
It is. Lol
imapilotaz@reddit
I think the victim gave them a hand...
Ok ill see myself out.
Time_Literature3404@reddit
😳
thezentex@reddit
Doesn't make a link mist like some people think. Plenty left to ID usually
Time_Literature3404@reddit
Really? Yikes. I assumed it was like a meat grinder. Gross I know.
thezentex@reddit
Pretty much
hkkensin@reddit
I thought I read that they lifted his fingerprints from the area of the fence he jumped
freshoutofbatteries@reddit
Not all of him.
Intelligent_Owl_377@reddit
Oh, I see, they had fingerprints. Thanks.
Basis_Mountain@reddit
Suicide by jumping in front of a train happens, suicide by jumping in front of a jet seems like a lot trouble for the same outcome!?
thezentex@reddit
Yeah it's a choice for sure. Second one in the last couple years
w_w_flips@reddit
There was also one in Milan LIME if I'm not mistaken, roughly a year ago.
Basis_Mountain@reddit
youre referring to the ground crew who willingly walked into an idling engine?
I hope this isnt a trend
thezentex@reddit
Yup
Resident_Break6770@reddit
Dude's criminal history suggests he was at the airport to steal copper wire and was too whacked out on meth to notice the plane. They're calling it a suicide so more meth heads don't show up.
rotundrikishi@reddit
It makes a lot of sense for it to be suicide, I expected it to be suicide...
but watching the infrared video it didnt look like what I would expect a suicidal person to do.
I would have thought he would have faced the plane and walked towards it perhaps with some speed to make sure he 'lined up' with it right but it just looked like a guy super casually and slowly walking across the runway. Really odd thing to see.
Gooddaytodog@reddit
Where did you see the infrared video?
No_Interview_1294@reddit
I thought that too but maybe he didn’t want to see it? I feel like it would bring fear and second thoughts idk. That’s the only thing I could think of.
AdvertisingNo8441@reddit
They shouldn’t have because now there might be copycats.
10art1@reddit
DIA? More like DOA
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
Why do people say DIA when it’s clearly DEN?
GenerallyGneiss@reddit
People from around here have always called it DIA and this looks like a local news site. Nobody would know what you're talking about if you called it DEN in conversation.
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
Who wouldn’t know, locals? Locals wouldn’t know their own airport is branded as DEN ?
shaun3000@reddit
DEN isn’t a brand, it’s just the airport code used within the industry. Do you know how many people think the Dallas Love Field code is LUV instead of DAL?? The general public knows very few of the codes. LAX, JFK, DFW, and maybe ATL.
Here’s another: Austin is AUS. You know what the locals call it? ABIA. Austin Bergstrom International Airport.
I_like_cake_7@reddit
Kansas City is another one. The code is MCI, but us locals call it KCI.
shaun3000@reddit
MCI = Mid-Continent International. Does anybody call it that outside of city PR folks? 😂
I_like_cake_7@reddit
No. Never. I’ve lived in the KC area my entire life and I’ve never once heard anybody refer to it as ‘Mid-Continent International”.
railker@reddit
Airport's website disagrees.
shaun3000@reddit
Well look at that. Clearly their brand efforts are working. The airport has only been open since 1995, maybe just give it a few more years. 😂
GenerallyGneiss@reddit
Nope. I think the "DEN" brand didn't really start till 5-10 years ago. We only talked about it as DIA for the 20 something years before that. Certainly wouldn't be the first time that people ignore or forget a rebrand.
Tacit_Blue@reddit
DEN was (and is) the IATA identified going back to Stapleton, so it's not recent within 5-10 years. That said, DIA.is what people call it and it isn't wrong. They're two different things; the nickname and the IATA identifier.
GenerallyGneiss@reddit
Yeah, I know. Using the IATA identifier as the brand/public name is recent as far as I've experienced.
railker@reddit
Not if they preemptively call it something on their own.
University of Colorado: "Transportation From DIA: Various options to get to Boulder from DIA are described below."
Boulder Regional Transportation District: "RTD SkyRide: Need a ride to the airport? SkyRide provides transportation to Denver International Airport (DIA). Buses depart from each SkyRide stop on an hourly basis throughout the day and into the late evening. Routes AB/AB1 offer transit from locations in Boulder to DIA."
Colorado Public Radio website, related articles: "NTSB gathering details on evacuation after Frontier Airlines plane hit and killed person at DIA; Loaded ammunition magazine found on Frontier flight at DIA belonged to a ‘law enforcement officer,’ airline says"
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
I live near Newark airport, nobody says NIA, it’s just EWR.
I mean I get it but, interesting
timesuck47@reddit
Do people call it Newark International Airport?
chandlerbing-bong@reddit
Newark liberty
Vessbot@reddit
Because it's officially branded that way in a bunch of places
freshoutofbatteries@reddit
It’s not officially branded that anywhere. While people in the Front Range unofficially refer to it as DIA, the airport calls itself DEN.
TikigodZX@reddit
the airports entire website says DEN
DonutReverie@reddit
Right. And if you ask a Chicagoan what the name of the airport just northwest of the city is called, they’ll say “O’Hare” even though the ORD code is all over the place there.
I don’t know why this is a mind blowing concept to people.
TikigodZX@reddit
I was just responding to your comment saying it’s not officially branded anywhere, it is, all over the website, at stores in DEN and the city’s website
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
It was just a question, too 👹
Tacit_Blue@reddit
Because one is a widely accepted nickname and one is an IATA identifier.
People didn't go around correcting strangers when Stapleton was DEN. Don't do it now, it's obnoxious.
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
I inquired, I didn’t say you SHOULD call it one way or another. That’s on you
I_like_cake_7@reddit
The general public doesn’t pay much attention to airport codes. They know it as Denver International Airport, so they tend to call it DIA for short. It’s not the official name, but it’s widely accepted by the general public.
Substantial_Point_57@reddit
I only ask cause this article mentions both DIA and DEN
jumpiestbox@reddit
Why was this guy even out of prison?
skylaneguy@reddit
Because we used to have mental hospitals where people were permanently condemned but by and large we no longer have those….
So now they get to roam free with the rest of us.
2GOB4@reddit
I wish more people would understand that.
Time_Literature3404@reddit
Same
ongakuneko@reddit
Kinda concerning how unhinged some of these comments are already. The person that was killed had a history of mental issues and it’s likely to assume, given this and the security footage that was released, that the man suffered from a really unfortunate episode. :/
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
And then he caused an entire aircraft full of people to suffer from a really unfortunate episode.
Concerning how you don’t care about them.
PM_ME_UR_CATS__@reddit
? How can you infer that op "doesn't care" about the passengers when their comment was strictly about the guy?
DDX1837@reddit
And what do you suggest? Do you understand that DEN covers about 30 square miles with about 30 miles fencing? 24x7 guards on patrol? I'm guessing you'd be the first to bitch about the additional charge on your ticket that reads "Fence Patrol".
PM_ME_UR_CATS__@reddit
You need to chill, this is such an aggressive comment.
I highly doubt op meant 24/7 guards, but maybe some change that is less intensive?
Ultimately, it happened because the guy wanted it to happen.
Sassy-irish-lassy@reddit
Part of the airports security is its remote location. This man was homeless and apparently didn't own a car.
Knineteen@reddit
Guy had a rap sheet a mile long but we’ll just keep using the “mental health” excuse as a reason to not protect the public from him.
UncleSugarShitposter@reddit
Could have taken hundreds of innocent people with him. Children were on that plane. Fuck ‘em.
PeckerNash@reddit
Pretty much. Bring back the asylums.
FuhrerInLaw@reddit
20 plus arrested including attempted murder and multiple violent assaults. Should have been locked up for life and done his deed in there. Selfish asshole.
Petr0vitch@reddit
yeah it's almost as if you're not in a logical state of mind when you're suicidal
Rule1-Cardio@reddit
Well if the NY Post is to be believed:
"Many of his arrests were for violent crimes including second-degree homicide using a gun in 2005; domestic violence, felony menacing and assault in 2010; second-degree burglary in 2016 and felony assault on a peace officer in 2020."
pipic_picnip@reddit
It is crazy to me someone with that much history of violent crimes, including 2025, is just allowed to walk free among people. I get that it’s mental health issues, but if he ended up killing someone, an innocent person would still be dead due to failure of the state to contain such an individual. He should have been sent to detainment facility for the insane with significant criminal record, not released back into the people. There is something really wrong with how the law operates to allow this. Instead of coming up with appropriate ways to deal with the crimes committed by the mentally impaired, they just offload the responsibility and consequences on the general public.
YugoReventlov@reddit
Wtf is a peace officer?
Spud2599@reddit
Peace Officer = Police Officer...some Departments call the position Peace Officer, some call it Police Officer.
Technojerk36@reddit
Peace officer is a broader category. All police officers are peace officers but not all peace officers are police.
Spud2599@reddit
I think in this instance, they were referring to a Police Officer...I was just making it easy to understand.
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
And yet all the bleeding hearts still think hes a martyr
SaltCityStitcher@reddit
No one thinks he's a martyr. They're saying that when you're suicidal, you're not thinking rationally and you're impulsive.
AKA he probably got on the tarmac thinking "the world will be better without me" and not "let me purposely traumatize an entire plane full of people with my death. That sounds fun!"
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
Regardless, it’s selfish and needlessly endangering a ton of people. Yes it’s sad he died. But given his record of hurting people and endangering that many more at the end, his death is what it is. It’s not a huge loss or tragedy
Bananasinpajaamas@reddit
What are you talking about? Literally no one has called him a martyr. What a weird comment.
NickDixon626@reddit
Honestly feels like a bot reaction, loathe as I am to sling around that accusation
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
Nah I’m real, but I understand the sentiment, Reddit has a serious bot problem. Personally, I don’t care about someone’s struggles when the context is that they risked hundreds of lives in a selfish act. The fact that it was a suicide is secondary. Yes, it’s sad someone died. But considering they had hurt a lot of people but endangered many more for no reason, I don’t really care one way or another that he’s gone.
Thequiet01@reddit
Second degree homicide is explicitly not murder. There’s an actual murder charge for that.
Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit
What the hell? Homicide is literally murder. Look it up, not that I ever thought I’d have to say that. 2nd degree homicide is 2nd degree murder. Same thing. You’re thinking of manslaughter maybe, but that’s not much better, that just means someone killed someone and is responsible for it but likely did not intend to do it.
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
They will jump your shit because “no one said martyr” but not admit they will care more about him than the innocent people he could have killed.
Kardinal@reddit
Nobody's suggesting he's a martyr.
We're feeling compassion for someone who was clearly suffering. Even if it was suffering of his own creation.
halfty1@reddit
Absolutely no one has suggested he was a martyr or even tried to make a martyr out of him.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
Idk I mean I feel like people that feel the need to take others out with them deserve a bit of accountability as to the type of person they were before going down that path. I don't think you can say crashing a plane with 200 people is the same amount of "out of control and shouldn't be blamed" as a shotgun to the mouth. Same reason somebody with a shitty abusive upbringing is still held accountable for murder. It's murder, no matter how bad you might feel about them.
asmrhead@reddit
Classic le-redditorino take.
silver-fusion@reddit
An unfortunate episode is shitting yourself on public transport.
This guy took multiple actions over a significant period of time that cumulatively endangered the lives of hundreds of people and should be absolutely hammered in the vain hope that no-one else tries this again so that at least something comes from his pointless and yet instant death. The suffering of those involved in the incident of course potentially lasting their lifetime. Fuck that guy.
mittens617@reddit
they tried to take down an entire plane. sorry I don't feel bad.
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TacitlyDaft@reddit
Huge mental health advocate but fuck this guy.
Did you defend the German wings pilot as well?
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
Yes, they do.
CantDoThatOnTelevzn@reddit
lol, DIA is enormous. What are you expecting? Forcefields? Get real.
AKA-Pseudonym@reddit
I'm not 100% convinced this person was doing this intentionally. For all you can tell from a 5 second infrared clip, it looks to me like somebody out for a stroll more than it looks like somebody trying to hurl themselves in front of a airliner. Could just be they were intoxicated or otherwise disoriented. We'll probably never know.
myfrigginagates@reddit
My sister works in mental health. She says that when people make up their mind to do this, sometimes it gives them a sort of peace. We talked about it because a month before, my buddy stepped in front of a commuter train. The engineer on the report said "the victim acted as if he were out for a walk."
rupert1920@reddit
They're not saying that the person should appear agitated or whatever. They're commenting that the timing in the video appears way too coincidental, and the person never looked at the plane to time the runway incursion. I.e., the motion and timing made it appear they're unaware of an approaching plane.
Sassy-irish-lassy@reddit
Unless this man was deaf, planes are not quiet. It didn't creep up on him.
myfrigginagates@reddit
Pretty sure they were aware and things went as planned. But I am willing to wait for more info.
rupert1920@reddit
From my perspective, I don't think I can personally time it that perfectly, even when I'm perfectly aware.
Sassy-irish-lassy@reddit
People don't just randomly have a stroll around a restricted airfield
Agitated1260@reddit
I've seen interview with suicide survivors about what made them decided to do it. A few of them mentions that they got to a point where they want to commit suicide but part of them want to live so they seek any sign one way or the other weather they should do it. On particular story stuck with me was a guy that jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. He said on the day that he decided to jump, he told himself that once he got out of his car and started walking to the middle of the bridge, if one person said "hi" to him, he won't jump. When he got to the location where he was going to jump and no one said anything to him, he jumped.
This guy might've saw the plane lining up and ready to go and said I'm going to start walking and if it's meant to be then I'll die and if not, the plane will miss.
halfty1@reddit
An intoxicated or otherwise disoriented person that went to a remote part of the airport perimeter and scaled a fence with barb wire?
Oldenburg-equitation@reddit
This is a sad situation and this person still is a human being who deserves kindness and respect. I also want to remind people that in the moments before someone commits suicide, they are not thinking rationally so saying that this person is selfish or insane for choosing this way to end their life is rude and insensitive. Yes, airport security should not have let this happen at all and this shows an embarrassing lack of security by DIA and yes, this did endanger the lives of so many. It's okay to say that but again remember that this person was most definitely not in the right state of mind and logical thinking tends to go out the window during mental health episodes and crises.
If you are feeling suicidal or are experiencing a mental health crisis, please reach out to someone. I promise you, your friends and family would much rather help you at any time of day than losing you.
UpdateDesk1112@reddit
You are blaming airport security and not the selfish tool who put those passengers in danger?
AdoringCHIN@reddit
Public records showed that Mr. Mott, who appeared to live at several addresses in Colorado throughout his life, had a criminal history that included convictions for assault, trespassing, disorderly conduct and property damage. Several other charges were dismissed.
NY Post so take it with a grain of salt, but that guy had numerous violent felonies. He should've still been in prison, not wandering around an airport.
imaguitarhero24@reddit
I said this above but people with shitty and abusive upbringing are still held accountable for murder. They can plead insanity or even temporary insanity if in the middle of an episode, but there's still consequences. A murder-suicide is still murder. Now matter how bad we should feel about that person's situation. It's one of those things that's not black and white. Someone can be tragic and a villain.
SackOfCats@reddit
Kinda tone deaf comment.
Did you read the article?
Oldenburg-equitation@reddit
Not sure how this is tone deaf and yes I did read the article. I'm not blaming the people who were working that night but rather that a person could get through the perimeter fencing. DIA and airport security need to take a good look at how to prevent people from getting in and ways to enhance their security (yes I do know they already have an investigation going).
popups4life@reddit
"The medical examiner said Tuesday no note was recovered and declined to say why authorities determined the cause of death was a suicide."
I get that it is the most likely reason this person climbed a fence and walked out on to the runway, but with no other factors pointing at this cause why record it as such?
stalequeef69@reddit
I would confidently say the cause of death was taking a jet engine to the body at 130+mph
Big_Interest7333@reddit
The quoted text failed to make an important distinction: cause of death vs. manner of death.
The cause of death is the disease, event (e.g., heart attack), or injury (e.g., gunshot wound) that was fatal.
The “manner of death” is homicide, suicide, accidental, natural, or undetermined.
Homicide - somebody else caused the death
Suicide - decedent intentionally took their own life
Accidental - falling off a ladder, drowning, etc.
Natural - old age, disease, illness, etc.
Undetermined - insufficient evidence to establish that one of the other categories applies
rupert1920@reddit
Definitely interesting why they classified it that way. Surveillance footage shows the person walking on the runway without ever once looking at the direction of the plane, which - to me - makes intentional runway incursion for the purposes of suicide less likely.
joni-bella@reddit
The footage I saw - and maybe I’m misremembering - seemed to show the individual walking kind of parallel to the runway then sort of briskly walking out toward centerline to “meet” the aircraft. I also remember the gait being kind of nonchalant as you suggest, but it looked intentional. I don’t have all the facts of course, it’s possible he was “just crossing”, but can you imagine the lights and the noise of something approaching at 100+kts? Doppler and all that but I have trouble believing someone wouldn’t notice an Airbus bearing down on them
rupert1920@reddit
This is the video I'm basing my judgement on:
https://youtu.be/Ar13vVLiins
They do walk diagonally towards the direction of the plane, and upon closer inspection they did hesitate for half a second on the runway.
But having gone planespotting a few times, I don't think I have enough judgement on a plane's speed and distances to time it this well. But who knows.
jeb_hoge@reddit
Disagree, I think he timed it to be where the engine was when the plane arrived. He probably had his eye on it from the moment he stepped on the runway.
Still-Problem3874@reddit
He just seems to be walking aimlessly, then crossing the runway as if there’s no plane coming. I don’t know that he intentionally did this. But damn this is disturbing.
admiralkit@reddit
This is a local story for me so I've seen a lot of discussion about it. One thing that I've seen mentioned, and I do not know if it is accurate, is basically that because it involves someone doing something stupid dangerous without external input that it falls under a bureaucratic definition used by the coroner's office of being a suicide. This tracks with the stories about wildfires out here where something like >90% of them are ruled as arson, not in the sense that the person was intending to cause massive property damage but because human actions directly led to the fire.
professorfunkenpunk@reddit
I would guess that, from the coroner's standpoint, suicide, like homicide Is less descriptive than we would use it colloquially. In this case, basically that he did it to himself, wasn't pushed by someone else, etc. without getting into motives/legalities. Presumably, there is some evidence they aren't sharing that rules out accident.
SnittingNexttoBorpo@reddit
If it wasn’t intentional and no one else contributed directly to his death, it would probably be ruled an accident or misadventure
Suckmyflats@reddit
Likely economic.
We will be seeing more of it too.
notmonicagellar1@reddit
This can sometimes happen based on an individuals history. For example if this is someone who has documented attempt of suicide or mental health struggles in the past, it can be a bit of an educated guess. Or, perhaps the individual told someone that he was planning to end his life prior to doing this.
Many articles indicate he has a criminal history and has struggled with mental health, here’s a clip from one:
Public records show Mott has had significant prior contact with law enforcement in Colorado. A state criminal history report lists arrests and convictions spanning the course of more than two decades, including violent offenses like assault and trespassing-related incidents.
In 2020, he was arrested for assault of a peace officer. In that case, he entered a plea of not guilty, claiming insanity. Those charges were dismissed in 2025, according to court records.
Just weeks before his death, Mott was arrested on charges including felony trespass of a dwelling, resisting arrest and criminal mischief in Colorado Springs.
iamthe0ther0ne@reddit
Yeah, they might have had some sort of psychotic episode--god told them to go to the plane or something. Unless they left a note or otherwise communicated their intentions, it's impossible to know what they were thinking.
LY1138@reddit
It doesn’t say there is no other information or factors, it says he “declined to say”. It’s likely a case of- Not their place to comment or, what the medical examiner knows is not our business.
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alheim@reddit
lol
Different-Courage679@reddit
What an absolutely heartbreaking story
WarriorGma@reddit
May he RIP. Thoughts to the crew & ground personnel, too. No blame, obviously, but that’s still gotta shake you up.
Different-Courage679@reddit
Indeed. My heart breaks for all involved.
Budget_Rub9385@reddit
As a person who grew up local to Denver and travelled a lot growing up, I know DIA pretty well. I know the road that goes past the gate the man jumped.
There is NOTHING out there. There are no neighborhoods, no businesses, no development of any kind. It's tiny roads and grasslands all the way to Kansas, out there.
Yet, there were no cars found near the gate, left abandoned, or any records yet released that he took a ride there. Which, in itself would be weird because who just drops someone off in the pitch dark of night in the middle of nowhere with no clear destination reached?
The man must have walked there. This would have taken HOURS to do. That's a lot of thinking time. Furthermore, he was only over the fence for about two minutes before he was struck, which makes me believe he was just waiting for a plane to get close enough to him to put his plan into action.
This man, as far as I'm concerned, spent all of his day committing to this idea, taking the hours long pains of getting to his location and waiting for the right moment, and then acted.
So, yeah, I agree suicide was his motive. Why was this his motive, when so many "easier" and readily available options for his goal were there, I still don't understand. And we will probably never understand.
I'm only glad that for whatever his goals were, he was the only person who died, because it's possible what he wanted was far worse and that never got to happen.
N9neNNUTTHOWZE@reddit
How could they determine his intent was in fact to get hit by a plane and die? I mean maybe the dude was having some kind of mental episode and didnt realize what he was doing?
pipic_picnip@reddit
It is easier to conclude it’s suicide by the fact he is there in the first place, knowingly approaching the runway and making no attempt to move away or flee as plane approaches. It’s much harder to claim “mental episode” out of thin air where there is no evidence to prove it, but there is enough circumstantial evidence to at least prove it wasn’t accidental because he came there of his own free will and didn’t attempt to evade the collision.
YukonDude64@reddit
I’m curious what evidence the authorities are going by to definitively declare it a suicide. I agree that it’s the most likely explanation, especially on seeing the video of him approaching the plane, but I wonder if there’s any additional evidence to corroborate that.
pipic_picnip@reddit
Well he is walking there of his own accord, and making no attempt to save himself or flee, it certainly isn’t accidental. Regardless of if he intended to suicide or not, the circumstances all point to it being due to lack of other factors.
railker@reddit
Your only other options are Natural (nope), Homocide (nope), Accident (harder to argue than Suicide) and Undetermined. One of the websites talking about it stresses the point that Suicide doesn't carry the implications we might assign to it, it simply means non-accidental action, initiated by themselves.
They didn't slip on a wet dock or fall off a roof. It's not a judgment, agreement with or understanding of their decision. Simply and purely classifying it that nobody else was involved and it came as a result of their own actions. It's an assignment of fact, not law or morality or judgment or understanding or liability.
All of the above are as far as I understand it, am an aircraft mechanic not a person mechanic.
jcarr2184@reddit
Related note for book-readers that I’ll append to this comment:
Check out What the Dead Know: Learning About Life as a New York City Death Investigator by Barbara Butcher. Fascinating read.
railker@reddit
Thanks for the recommendation I'll have to check out.
But what a terribly unfortunate name for a death investigator 😂
jcarr2184@reddit
Agree, though it might have helped with book sales🤔
YukonDude64@reddit
Intent is the key here.
Gimme_somebutter@reddit
I hate flying into Denver. Turbulence, cross winds, feels like taxiing to the gate take 30 minutes. Then another 45 minutes drive/ride from airport to civilization. Hard pass.
pungentgarlic@reddit
Cortez America!
r361k@reddit
I fully anticipate them dropping the dividend rate. It’s not fixed.
whiskeytown79@reddit
Wait, what? Didn't the pilots abort because they saw the person on the runway and/or felt the impact? Any smoke resulting from the impact would've taken way longer than that to be noticeable inside the cabin.
E2TheCustodian@reddit
The engine flamed out, messily by the looks of the posted video including one which stated ‘the wing is on fire’ with accompanying pic. (The wing I am pretty sure was not on fire but there was enough visible flames/sparks to make the error understandable). Given that, if the packs were still suckin’ air, why would there not have been smoke? Furthermore they rejected the takeoff late in the roll, it could have been brake/wheel smoke at that point as well, no?
railker@reddit
The criticism is "leading pilots to abort the takeoff". The takeoff was aborted after the impact, the smoke played no role in the rejection and occurred after the fact. Sure, potentially before they'd come to a full stop, but not the cause of the RTO.
E2TheCustodian@reddit
Oh, I see. Yep, my bad, /u/whiskeytown79!
EasyAsAyeBeeSea@reddit
That's just a poorly written article. They clearly aborted because something was drastically wrong, but the audio does mention the pilots saying they had decided on an on-runway evacuation due to smoke in the cabin
I'm assuming SOP is never to do an evacuation on runways unless absolutely necessary
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JustPlaneNew@reddit
What a dangerous way to go
Chickenwaffleswings@reddit
Wow. He his was released a mott sooner than expected. Hope they can ex plane that.
furie1335@reddit
A transient from Pueblo? That checks out
UW_Ebay@reddit
“Smoke in the cabin” was the reason they had to abort the takeoff… lol
Space--Buckaroo@reddit
I guess he wanted to commit suicide and he wanted everyone to know his name.
a_scientific_force@reddit
His name was Hamburger McHelper.
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lopsided-earlobe@reddit
when shellfish POS try to bring others with them. Good riddance.
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roguespectre67@reddit
I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say he “tried” to bring others with him. We can’t know his intentions.
I *would* say it’s fair to deem this particular method of suicide to be very self-centered and showing a wanton disregard for the wellbeing of others. Obviously somebody in that mental headspace is probably not thinking about that at the time, but that doesn’t change the end result.
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MysteriousSelection9@reddit
He threatened the lives of many other people.