It was the fucking bee's knees at the time it was made. Just like Sopranos.
Now it obviously isn't so good in the golden age of television like the She-Hulk, last two seasons of GoT, Starfleet Academy, Sex Education, Euphoria, Harry Potter series etc etc.
It's almost as if the the whole narcotics trade is a malicious blight on society and the people that are involved in that type of business tend to be morally questionable people...
Most definitely deserve to be in the S tier IMO, theyre part of that "less serialized" crowd. If you can package a narrative into 1 season it tends to be pretty tight and well wrapped up.
The show is addicted to having every other scene be some climactic power struggle between smart mouthed gangsters. There's very little subtlety to anything or unspoken effects. Shows like The Sopranos and The Wire have these long-reaching looks into their subject matter and don't feel the need to have everything bowtie nicely at the end of every season.
what? have you seen the wire? yes, there are characters that are there from start to finish... but every season has its own arc that closes with the end of that season.
if even, the seasons are too loosely connected to each other.
i've heard some people dropping the show in the first episodes of season two because its borderline unrecognizable...
Boardwalk Empire has all of 90% of nucky's problems solved in the final episode. People aren't having their problems solved at the end of each wire season lmao, and anyone persisting through seasons has some serious length to their arcs. Prop Joe in season 2 ends up being able to found the co-op in season 3 only because the greeks figure out how to get drugs and drugmaking chemicals into Baltimore, first by boats then later by trucks. These guys come back in season 5 as both his source of power over the co-op (enforcing that everyone pays again for the shipment stolen by Omar) and his downfall (Marlo getting to them then offing Joe because he can make so much money being the connect that sells to the co-op, instead of him just having stuck with whoever his original supplier was before joining).
Anyway, anyone who thinks that boardwalk empire is within a MILE of the wire, sopranos, or mad men can respond to this but I'm not gonna bother
thats not what you said. you said boardwalk empire ties everything neatly up at the end of each season. a five-season show wrapping up in the final part of season five is not that shocking per se. it is a common criticism of that final season to be weak... thats because the season had to be be re-written and shortened because the show was de-facto cancelled. but this is neither a problem of its entire run, nor was that what your original criticism.
but then sayin the wire doesnt do that because "the greeks [and others] are still there and have another operation" is a bit silly. if you take the greeks, they are one-dimensional side-characters with very limited screentime to create the murky context of organized crime. They're not THAT deep and it doesn't change the fact that season two is "neatly" wrapped up as an isolated arc.
the wire is maybe my favorite show. but that doesn't mean every single aspect of it has to be better than everything else.
sorry I meant to say that boardwalk empire solves 90% of all of nucky's problems at the end of every season, and I didn't read anything you wrote past that because anyone who thinks that boardwalk empire is close to the wire doesn't get any respect
Sound like an analysis from someone without the attention span to actually watch it. The interpersonal relationships are what make it, and they dont conclude at seasons end.
They had to change the writing up to deal with one actor being sick and the actor who plays Jimmy being fuckin nuts which then went on to effect the overall plot in a pretty big way. I think that kicked the show in the balls and it never recovered.
The wire and Sopranos are just reddit slop shows. Breaking bad is actually good. The other two are just shows fake intellectuals say is good to seem smart or interesting. Both are trash slop
For real. Breaking Bad gets a lot of praise because it’s accessible. IMO it’s not as good as something like Atlanta, but it’s also a hard ask to compare two things that are so different in what they’re trying to do.
I've rewatched it more time than breaking bad. 3 Vs once. I love the setting and the large events thought he years like forest gump. Some phenomenal acting throughout too
But, I never like saying shows are better. Both in my book are S tier. Fargo too
I had to put down she-hulk when they credited periods and misogyny for training Jennifer to perfectly control the hulk persona.
It was almost as bad as doctor strange telling America chavez that she just had to try hard and believe in herself 30 seconds before she won.
Marvel has a bad track record with female characters. They have two separate avengers with major storylines focused around their lack of children (black widow and scarlet witch) and their female empowerment roundup from Endgame involved the most powerful hero in the movie getting an assist from every woman in the series to run a glove across the battlefield so a man could save the day.
Captain marvel enters the endgame fight by flying face first through a space ship, but she needs the unpowered human with a spear to help her get the infinity gauntlet to tony stark? What kind of writing is that?
Idk cant remember the lasy marvel movie I paid to watch might have been that ant man quantum thing or the stranger Spiderman one but its been literally years
I can't tell if you're serious or not, but marvel needs better written female characters. Agents of shield did a great job with their female characters, unfortunately they'll probably never bring it back. Runaways did a great job as well, probably helped that there are only two men on the team and the main cast was biased towards women a bit.
As baddass as the final war scene in Endgame was, it will be tarnished forever by the cringe "She has help" moment. I fully understand WHY they did it, but the moment comes off as purely fabricated and makes me cringe everytime.
Where were all the men? Were they just taking a little breather? Did Cap or Tony stand up and say "All right guys, take a water break, the women need their moment"? And of all the actresses they have to helm the moment, they choose the wooden board who's trying to make us think the person who, had a jawdrop scene of entry by crashing through the ship and almost overpowering Thanos + Power Stone, just minutes prior, now needed Girl Power to fly a glove across a field.
I get the message of the scene, it's not bad, just horribly timed and horribly written. Even swapping Captain Marvel with a character that would actually need help, like mantis, would have made more sense than the most powerful character in the franchise at the time suddenly needing support.
They manufactured a girl power moment that just called them out as lesser than the male characters. Tony doesn't need all his boys behind him for simple tasks, but captain marvel does. It really takes away from every woman in the scene.
I mean the entire scene was clearly written to appeal to female children (not sure how to say that in a less clinical way) and it apparently succeeded. Superhero movies have tons of nonsensical scenes, caring so much about the girls working together feels childish at best and incredibly misogynistic at worst. Not every part of every film is exclusively for my benefit, but my sister really loved that scene when we saw it at the cinema together and that's good enough for me
I'm glad your sister enjoyed the scene, genuinely, but wanting better written female characters is not misogyny.
Also I hope she watched captain marvel, which I also think could have been written better but I love it anyways. I'd love to see marvel get past the idea that strong women first need to prove themselves to some condescending asshole before they're acknowledged as strong women.
Actually, show her agents of shield when she's old enough, Ming-Na Wen is the best thing to happen to Disney in a long time. Between Melinda May, Daisy Johnson/quake, and Jenna simmons there's no end of great female rolemodels who don't need to prove themselves to some man.
I honestly don't think it was bad, it was just a fun scene for girl power and I think that's okay. The scene wasn't for me and that's fine, but to say it's bad when it achieved its purpose, and to ignore that purpose does seem mysogynistic. It's like a guy saying they don't like Orange is the new black when they're clearly not the target demographic - it's okay to have opinions, but to keep harping on about it feels excessive and obsessive when, imo, it really isn't that deep
Whether or not it's your cup of tea IDK. But it's objectively amazing. Very cinematic and creative and the acting from Zendaya is next level. A very real look at addiction too.
Again you might not like it, which is fair. But it's an excellent piece of media.
The first season could be described as visually interesting and cinematic. The most recent ongoing season has nothing interesting about it. It’s just complete nonsensical garbage and it’s obvious they completely lacked any direction after the second season since all the characters are useless exaggerations of themselves
OP is the reason why Netflix has admitted that they're pretty much moving away from picking up series with any sort of nuance in an effort to dumb it down.
AMC with Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and the Walking Dead (first few seasons) just fuckin cooked. There's still good TV out there, but as media consolidation grows studios are going to blow more of their budgets on recycled, dumbed-down IPs.
Tbf I enjoued watching a lot more than anything else on the list, didn't finished got past the fan service battle, couldn't last more than 3 episodes of RoP ...
Walter wasn't selfish for not letting them murder him. He was selfish for doing all the things that led to them deciding he needed to be murdered. He was exercising extremely poor and reckless judgment to the detriment of every8, including himself, for no other reason than his ego needed to be the top dog.
It's not even subtle, we all saw how big Walter's ego was when he refused to ask his neighbours for money for his cancer treatment, but we can't expect a 4chan user to have the basics of media literacy.
Correct me if I'm misremembering but didn't that stem from Jesse being brought into the super lab to replace Gale cause Walt wanted a minion and not a peer. Jesse was going to go after Hank for assaulting him so Walt saved Hank and started making waves under Gus to do so
It's because Walt saw Jesse as his only friend, almost like he was his father, and even though he was shit to Jesse and manipulated him, he couldn’t let him go. Hank takes advantage of his empathy for Jesse in Ozymandias and that's when things completely fall apart.
Nah, Walt was fine but then Jesse wanted to kill two of Gus’s street dealers for killing Andrea’s kid brother. Walt killed the dealers to protect Jesse and that’s when Gus started wanting to kill Walt once he had a replacement.
At that point, no, unless you're considering saving Jesse as something "selfish". People talk about Walter's ego and selfshiness but that just becomes a issues in the last season, before that he does everything for his own survival. Mike is absolutely talking shit here
It LITERALLY becomes a main issue just on the hank scene (where the idiot is drunk), and after he kills Gus (which some people theorize it's the trait he gets from the Gus kill, just as the others people he kills that gives him other traits). Before that he is a asshole, mainly to Jesse sure, but It isn't something problematic and he generally keeps It to himself.
Ya its absolutely present and a pretty big aspect of walts personality but also lots of people can't even talk about anything in the show without just pinning it down to walts ego. Even if that is one way to read a certain part of the story it is rarely the only one.
Exactly. Seems now that Walter instantly is responsible for everyone's bad deeds in the show, ted's and Skylar cooking the books, Mike killing people and endorsing a child murdering druglord and jesse's own poor decisions. Like, Walter is a asshole, but everyone here is or becomes one as things happen too, that's the core of the show. Almost seems like it's a bunch of people breaking bad...
FR this whole post is a smoothbrain take on the show (aka engagement bait).
Your response is the first rational comment i've seen.
If Walter had just shut up and done his job without causing issues, everyone would still be alive, they'd all be making fat stacks, and no one would be murdered.
It's entirely reasonable to assume that gus would have had walter killed after his contract was done to make sure he didn't reveal the operation one day. Walt basically had to try to dethrone gus, work there forever, or die
Walt should’ve kept his mouth shut when Gus tried to cut Jesse out. He correctly deduced that Jesse was unstable and was going to cause problems. Jesse's attempt to murder those two henchman is what made Gus decide to want to kill Walt.
So, it was either let your partner get killed over 2 lowlife child killers (who pretty much broke the agreement with Gus), then work for life for Gus,
or die with your partner,
or dethrone Gus.
Gee, Walt is really dumb and selfish for choosing the last one.
I'm not pretending Walt isn't those things (at that point he probably didn't even care about those children either), but he really didn't have much of a choice in the matter.
Gus wasn’t going to kill Jesse. He was a man of his word. Breaking Bad is not that realistic. Gus is way too upstanding of a drug kingpin to have a real world equivalent and he was an exception out of all the other drug dealers in the show.
Jesse probably would have died which is why Walt did what he did. Mike tried to convince him to drop Jesse, “No half measures,” but Walt decided to save him by killing Gus’ street dealers.
The people on the Breaking Bad sub will fucking argue until they're blue in the face like petulant toddlers that Walt was justified in running over the street guys with his car to save Jesse, then killing Gale. It's more than why wouldn't you just let Gus kill you bro? It's why couldn't you just keep your fucking head down and just take the money?
From a strictly moral and not logical sense, he was justified. Those two were child murderers. Jesse was going to kill them in response and Walt was protecting Jesse. Had there not been a domino effect occurring around it this would be your bog standard revenge story.
Jesse behaved irrationally by trying to kill those two. Walt behaved rationally to save them as he wasn’t going to let Jesse die for being a dumbass and someone had to die. A main overarching problem in the series is Walton Jesse, trying to have everything they want and I'm the process something goes so horribly wrong that it destroys everything. Walt wanted Jesse and the job and that was impossible.
Very fair and thorough assessment of the characters' actions.
It kind of shows how sheltered Jesse is too, even though he's been in the drug game for years. Poor Tomas had already been groomed into that life and was already participating in murders himself. He just so happened to get clipped at 12 rather than a few years later in some other gang-related thing. Someone who's in it that early has pretty much no shot at a normal life without a miracle. But Jesse had too big of a heart to him as anything but an innocent victim, and it really speaks to his character.
Jesse clearly started going into drug selling for the love of the game. He liked doing drugs and he liked money so he wanted to make money selling drugs. For the longest time Jesse was at his happiest when he was making drugs with Walt. And this extended to everything Jesse did. He loved kids, he loved people, he loved music, he loved video games, he loved exploring and trying new things, and especially he loved the idea of having a family.
Which is why being a drug dealer was the worst thing for Jesse since he was going into it bass ackwards. His personality was completely incompatible. Jesse just wanted to have fun without hurting people, whereas other people in the show who joined the drug trade did it because they enjoyed hurting people while making money.
I swear, Walter's megalomaniac ruined his life. I get being scared shitless of Tuco, the dude was an ass. I can get trying to power grab during the vacuum after Tuco.
What I don't get is his attempts vs Gus. Gus always takes care of his own. He had a cushy job raking in the money just cooking while Gus did all the planning etc. he could've let Pinkman retire, which is all Pinkman wanted to do at that point.
He brought Jesse in so he would drop the lawsuit against Hank. Walt liked Gale. He only tried to kill Gus after Gus tried to kill him.
Walt is an egotistical monster but his actions with Gus were all trying to save someone. First it was bringing in Jesse to save Hank, then, then it was killing the dealers to save Jesse, then it was killing Gale and Gus to save himself. I wouldn't say those are all morally justified, but understable in that sort of world.
Walt wasn’t particularly fond of Gale. His ego required him to always be the smartest, and he saw Gale as a threat to that, like with the coffee maker, for example.
I mean he did see Gale as his own replacement, he thought they were just about to retire him (kill him) once Gale got the formula right. He was actuay kind of justified in self preservation
I mean he did do it to save Jesse, and Mike clearly values Jesse's life by this point and had grown to respect him. What he says about Walt's character is true, he is a megalomaniac and very destructive. But the actual thing that caused the rift was him saving Jesse, which Mike would at least want to do for Jesse by the end of the show. Walt is a monster but Mike doesn't really have a leg to stand on there either.
Jesse was a grown man who chose to step out of his lane. If he couldn't be reasoned out of a kamikaze attack on two thugs, he kind of deserved whatever came to him next. Whether or not his anger was justified is a whole other can of worms. Yes, Walt felt a responsibility to protect him, but that was way over the top.
As far as whose fault it all was, I would even argue that Gus should have quietly killed Walt instead of meeting with him in the first place. Gus doomed himself by working with someone who was clearly reckless and clueless.
Yeah Jesse was being reckless for sure, but considering that Mike actually likes Jesse by this point, he would also consider him worth saving. And yeah that was a bad decisionfor Walt from a self-preservation standpoint, but it was out of love for Jesse. But ultimately their egos were the downfall of both Walt and Gus, since Gus thought he was invincible and wanted to taunt Hector personally.
Brought Jesse into the fold to replace Gale, killed Gus' goons because Jesse was upset they killed his GFs son, killed Gale as he was ultimately going to replace Walter. Very simplified version of things.
No, because he’s the one who killed his girlfriend’s son. Walt was tripping off of his own ego and wanted absolute control over every aspect of their operations
You're thinking of Andrea's son Brock, who Walter poisoned but didn't kill. That was the smoking gun to get Jesse to turn on Gus, as Walt gaslit Jesse into thinking Gus was behind it. The people Walt ran over and killed earlier in the show had killed Andrea's younger brother Tomas to wipe him from their dealing operation after Jesse began causing problems due to them using children to deal drugs. Jesse was going to shoot them in retaliation when Walt intervened and ran them over
I mean that whole thing started because Walt saved Jesse after literally taking Mike's advice.
What Mike said about Walt's character flaws is true, but that wasn't why the "good thing" was ruined. "The good thing" was ruined when Gus saw Walt kill the dealers to save Jesse, the same guy that Mike by this point had come to like. Then they tried to kill Walt and Jesse, so no shit he's going to find a way out now that there's a target on his back.
Mike is a pretty egotistical and selfish guy to the “honourable criminal” act he had going on is just a ploy so he doesn’t feel like another lowlife at night even nachos dad calls this out and he can’t even refute it
Never had he made that point that he is an „honorable criminal“. There was a scene where he specifically tells another guy that he is „criminal“ when selling drugs, no matter how he twists it.
Doesn't he have a conversation with his daughter or someone, basically bursting her bubble that he was ever a good cop? Maybe that was in BCS now that I think about it
It's in BCS when he comes clean to his daughter-in-law about what really happened to his son. Where he spills the beans that he was a dirty cop, his son wasn't, and he broke his boy when he broke the news that he was just as bad as the rest of them, shortly after making his now very hurt and confused son steep to his level, ultimately for nothing as Matty's cop partners murdered him for the slightest hesitance in accepting dirty money
On a separate note, Jonathan Banks absolutely should've won an award for that scene, it's probably the most emotional performance in the Season, maybe even the whole show
Mike I think is just trying to get his money so his grand daughter and daughter can have a good life. He's a pretty broken person, I think he clings to fragments of honor where he can but ultimately he will bend to the situation. Yeah he was always hypocritical as a corrupt cop, he always was willing to sell out society to enrich his family.
But mike got 10k for them and could've left gus without risking anyone. Let's be real here, Mike's decisions were as much bs as walts and the notion of a code made him sleep better at night but it didn't make him any bit more noble.
That’s what they all tell themselves. They aren’t like the cartel or Gus because they have the noble cause of family they’re doing it for. It helps them sleep at night but at the end of it all they are still filthy murderers enabling countless more ruined lives and deaths via the drug trade they are a part of.
Mike said this because Walter killed the 2 gangsters, not because he refused to get killed. They were trying to kill him because of what he did.
not like I care that much about what a 4chan user thinks, and it's most likely an intentional misunderstanding for humour which I find quite funny too, but I don't see enough comments here telling the truth before we start laughing about the fake scenario
Because those 2 gangsters would've killed Jesse. Gus due to his massive ego always wanted to kill either Jesse, or Walt or both of them at any point in the show, whatever Walt did was out of survival.
I think the 4chan post more sheds light on the absolute bullshit that is said about that speech as if Mike is some old wise man but Mike's logic also falls apart pretty easily.
I mean they’re in this predicament in the first place cause Walter couldn’t stand not working with Jesse. Like Mike is correct that if Walter had orchestrated the killing of Gale everyone’s life would have been better off, except the people they were selling drugs to lol
Mike wasn't really off base here. If Walt had just followed the agreement and not been a narcissistic pain in the ass they wouldn't have felt the need to kill him.
Admittedly, it got to that point before they had this conversation, but he wasn't talking about that at the time.
I found it so annoying how Walter and Jessie could never at the same time just be happy with what they had going. Instead they both seemed to just want to fuck shit up for each other all the time.
Mike was referring to the part where they all quietly and successfully made millions of dollars, before Walt’s ego got in the way and messed everything up. Anon lacks media literacy.
But walter also was never gonna be content working for someone else. Even if it was perfect his ego continued to push him further and further and further.
I didn't see any signs of that before Jessie screwed up his work conditions. He seemed plenty happy withthe respect Gus was giving him which was his true insecurity IMO, not just power but credit.
Yeah but his perfect partner was Jesse, because he could control him. Gale was too smart, more like a rival than a partner. I think Gus secretly held Walter in contempt and thought he perfectly hid that. Walter saw right through him and understood that his situation is temporary, so he pushed his limits and he was just lucky, he took good precautions and had leverage but he always put himself in unnecessarily dangerous situations. But the pieces fell right in his lap and he found a friend in the hatred of Hector.
Again his affection for Jessie is why he wanted Jessie, not power over him. He was more content with Gayle until he saw Jessie going off the rails and tried to bring him under supervision to help. If he didnt give a shit he would've happily continued with Gale worshipping him and Jessie dead. I do not think Walt or Gale saw each other as rivals. Gale openly appreciated and fed Walt's ego far more than Jessie did. Jessie was the one who insisted they were equal partners and clashed with Walt's ego.
If Jessie was just a useful subordinates why was Walt's final act freeing him? There was definitely emotional attachment to him as a person, even Hank points it out.
I didn't say Walt hated Jesse. I'm saying he preferred Jesse to Gale because not only he already had a bond with Jesse from working with him before they reached out to Gus, Jesse wasn't an ass-kisser. You must've not paid attention but Walt was practically disgusted with Gale behind his back, how he kept complimenting him and his formula, how clever he is and how he optimized the process. Yes Walt loved being appreciated, but it got really old really quick for him.
Gale saw Walt as an inspiration, Walt saw Gale as a threat because once he learns the formula and whole process from him, he's not the only one who can produce pure meth anymore. And Gus preferred Gale to Walt. Hence why the whole conflict arises, Walt knows Jesse is going to be loyal to him because they came in together and they will walk out together. He doesn't want Gale because he can't control him and because he understands Gus is trying to replace him.
You must've not paid attention but Walt was practically disgusted with Gale behind his back, how he kept complimenting him and his formula, how clever he is and how he optimized the process
Do you have anything you can actually point to here or is this just head Canon?
The only reason Gale was a threat was because he had already destroyed his relationship with Gus. Walter needed to be replaced only because he stepped up to save Jessie. Gus was willing to even get rid of Gale for Walt until Walt screwed things up saving Jessie. That doesnt suggest he was going to get rid of Walt any time soon until after their falling out.
You don't get it. Gale was meant to replace Walt, it was only a matter of time when. That's why Gus insisted on him being the assistant, because they were already friends for years and he trusted him. Gus's ulterior motive for hiring Walt was to pass his knowledge unto somebody else that was less impulsive and more submissive. That became more important once Gus learned that Walt has cancer and he might not be around much longer to pass that knowledge which would make him billions. In the beginning Gus complied with his request to bring Jesse in because otherwise Walt wouldn't work for him. But conflicts brew and situations change, and that's what we watch in the show. Gus starts driving a wedge between Walt and Jesse which Walt sees and is correct, but Jesse thinks he's overreacting (only because he's not the one in danger).
Gale was meant to be run the lab until Walt was discovered - Gale was always going to run the lab eventually with or without him. The lab wasn't built for Walt, neither was Gale recruited with the intention of him having a mentor, Gus was going to make billions with or without Walter. What Walter started screwing with was the parts he didnt have locked down the same way - distribution and cartel relations. The problem with Walt wasn't impulse control, it was loyalty to Jessie.
You have your time line screwed up, Walt was not recruited for the lab before Gus knew there was a time limit on the arrangement. Gus saw the cancer fund donation jar and DEA connection before ever getting into real long term business with him. The acknowledgement that it had a time limit was always part of the arrangement from the start, not a sudden discovery.
You misunderstand me, I'm not laying out a timeline for you, I'm simply stating the reasoning, more or less in a action-reaction order. The point I'm trying to make here is that yes, Gus was going to make billions with or without Walt, BUT Gus didn't want to work with Walt in the beginning. He thought he was irresponsible for working with a junkie (Jesse) and that alone crossed him off. But it was Gale who analyzed the meth sample and said it was marvelous, pure meth. And he persuaded him into hiring Walt not only because Gale recognized his superiority, but also wanted to learn from it. From Gus's perspective, he hired Walt to adopt his formula and make even more money than planned before. But from the very beginning he knew he doesn't want Walt long term and he tried to be as subtle about it as possible, even allowing Jesse to work with him and then turning him against him. Also, you got the loyalty thing mixed up - it was Mike who said to Jesse on the job that Gus "sees something in him" and that he notices his loyalty, but it's misplaced in Walter.
You think being "as subtle as possible" about the arrangement being temporary involves openly saying "I know you have terminal cancer and this is a temporary arrangement, and I'm picking your lab assistant" before it even starts?
I didn't say Gus was trying to be subtle about the arrangement being temporary but that Gus was trying to be subtle that he hates Walt and will replace him ASAP.
Jesse is the perfect lab partner because he is controllable in the sense that he's loyal to Walt and works with him, not with Gus. Gus is their employer, Walt and Jesse are friends who came in the business together which makes Jesse loyal to Walt. You can see throughout the show how Jesse is trapped in the belief that he needs Walter to succeed, later on he realises that Walter is a chain on his ankles. That's what makes him controllable, because until he realised that, he was always going to come back to Walter because he felt more familiar and safe with a psychopathic chemistry teacher than a ruthless druglord.
Not from my memory, no. But it's the feeling I always got from their interactions, Gus acting superior and treating him lesser being. I rewatched the show a year ago second time so the tiny details are missed. I can't say Gus hated Walt factually, but it's what I believe from my interpretation of the events in the show
Gus acting superior and treating him lesser being.
Then I think you misinterpreted Gus switching between his public persona mask and his military leader / drug lord existence. That wasn't special for Walt, and Walt didnt really see the latter until he'd stuck his neck out for Jessie (although he caught a glimpse when he interrupted Fring's work persona to get his attention). He even goes dead eyed with Gale when he doesnt get the answers he wants, unless he secretly hates Gale too but again, there isnt anything you can actually point to that suggesting it. His anger at Walt stems from him screwing with a revenge plot that has been in the works for decades, not a preexisting personal vendetta, and his distrust/disgust for Walt only surfaces after shows just how much he is willing to risk to save Jessie's hide.
He brought in Jesse because Jesse was suing Hank for beating him nearly to death. Walt was evil and egotistical but he brought in Jesse for other reasons than just control.
Not really. If you wish to understand more about the point I'm trying to make, read my last comment in the thread, I explained why Jesse was controllable
Working under people who he already thought screwed him over and didnt respect his genius is why he wouldnt take that job. Seeing it as charity not earned on merit was also a problem for him
It got messed up when Walt killed the dealers to save Jesse, someone that Mike also cared about by the time he makes that speech. He's right about Walt's ego, especially when it came to continuing his empire after Gus died, but it was not the reason the "thing with Fring" got messed up. Once Walt saves Jesse and Gus tried to kill him, then of course it can't work forever.
Isn't that the point? We're introduced to the Mike he sees as himself, the washed up but honorable grandpa acting as the necessary evil. As it goes on, we begin to see him as the desperate and naive thug he really is.
I think that’s the point of his character, no? He presents himself as a sympathetic old man, who is a criminal but still follows a code of honor. But as the show characters and viewer watch more of him, if they pay attention they realize it’s all a facade meant to keep them unsuspecting. The character is literally meant to manipulate your perception, you feeling manipulated is you deciding for yourself you don’t like his deceptive ways
A movie/show about criminals where the audience has no emotional representative doesn't work. Thete has to be a certain level of whitewashing and glorification involved, or the audience will lose interest in all these selfish and sociopathic murderers.
All the characters behaved as expected. What the fuck did you expect from a bunch of drug dealers and contract killers? They're all scum with slightly different circumstances.
Breaking Bad even has a happy ending, as Walt achieves what he wanted. He was dying and wanted to leave money for his family, especially with another little one coming. Even though his family ended up hating him in the end, he achieved what he set out to do.
Yeah Walter’s motivations are always kind of murky. But Jesse was definitely either going to kill them or get killed, absent any influence from Walter.
He isn't talking about letting himself be killed, he's talking about walter not taking Gus' offer and instead deciding to be a threat because he's greedy and couldn't stand gus taking a cut from (what he sees as) his money.
Not to mention that at that point in the series this isn't a "my life will now be slightly inconvenient"... They are all in literally life ruining circumstances
It was a great backstory for him. Showed us how at the beginning he was hesitant to work with Gus because he knew that guy didn't fuck around. He was exerting power and dominance, calm but fierce. Mike knew once he takes that deal he will never be free. But the desperation to provide for his daughter in law and granddaughter won and he signed a deal to protect the devil.
"Waltuhh i know you dont give a shit about the other guys that worked for gus but theyre my friends so we gotta keep paying forever to keep their silence because... because we have to waltuhhh! Its what you do waltuhhhh!!"
Walter was a loose cannon from the start, and had an obsession with remaining one.
The explosive fake meth should've ended with him getting shot or worse.
Insisting on working with Jesse under Gus's conditions should've gotten them both killed, and Gus should've continued with Gabe and the less than perfect product.
The characters are well written, they are all flawed, but the biggest problem is just obviously that plot armour was required for half of the criminal encounters, since both main characters are idiots that in real life would've died much sooner.
They wouldn't have needed to kill him if Walt ever just stayed in his lane.
Mike is mad Walt created a mess that required his elimination. Mike doesn't want to kill anyone, but his job is to protect the organization, and minimize threats. Mike is a guy who does his job.
Probably couldn't stand the fact that somebody stood up to Fring while he followed every order. Some of them because he was afraid or wanted to provide for his family but as we learn in BCS he could have gotten out with no consequences and a substantial amount of money. He chose to keep working for fring because he would've gotten himself killed over his self hatred otherwise. Apparently caring for his family wasn't good enough of a motivation after all.
Mike is street smarts. Walt is book smarts. They don't get along most of the time which is ironic because when they do work together they generally succeed.
Hearasongofuranus@reddit
It was the fucking bee's knees at the time it was made. Just like Sopranos.
Now it obviously isn't so good in the golden age of television like the She-Hulk, last two seasons of GoT, Starfleet Academy, Sex Education, Euphoria, Harry Potter series etc etc.
BadArtijoke@reddit
Urge to punch you in the face went down drastically after that second sentence. Well done
barryhakker@reddit
I just don’t get why it had to be a Walter White and not a Walter of Color
SamuraiJono@reddit
Walter, hero of the series: white
Assorted villains of the series: Latino Pigeonholing much???
yztla@reddit
Walter is not a hero, he is a villan.
SamuraiJono@reddit
Also, the fact that the bad guys are Latino isn't pigeonholing, they're cartels
kdjoeyyy@reddit
Ain’t the aryan brotherhood white?
SamuraiJono@reddit
Yes, but that doesn't fit the parameters of my very funny joke, so I intentionally left it out. Think of the children!
sizzlemac@reddit
It's almost as if the the whole narcotics trade is a malicious blight on society and the people that are involved in that type of business tend to be morally questionable people...
hstormsteph@reddit
kdjoeyyy@reddit
Walter Yellow? Walter Brown? Walter Black man? What would Walter black do? Make new kool aid recipe?
Insane_Unicorn@reddit
Why a man? Why not a gay women?
P_mp_n@reddit
Audibly laughed.
Well done
Strong_Weakness2867@reddit
Driven to violence at the slightest disagreement, typical libcuck behavior
Winter7296@reddit
How could you forget Big Mouth
stuyboi888@reddit
Breaking best show since the Sopranos, or maybe the wire. You will never stop talking about breaking bad and the wire
Diezelbub@reddit
Boardwalk Empire deserves to be in discussion
No_Oddjob@reddit
It dove off the cliff too early to have a seat at the table. It started so very strong but just fell apart too quickly.
trapaccount1234@reddit
Found it boring and stuff not as well done as sopranos or breaking bad imo
Diezelbub@reddit
If were being honest I thought Better Call Saul was better than BB
Foxy02016YT@reddit
BCS is the Young Sheldon to Breaking Bad’s Big Bang Theory
tipothehat@reddit
Add Fargo Season 1 and True Detective Season 1.
Diezelbub@reddit
Most definitely deserve to be in the S tier IMO, theyre part of that "less serialized" crowd. If you can package a narrative into 1 season it tends to be pretty tight and well wrapped up.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Fargo s1 and s2 are so fucking good and hold up.
guimontag@reddit
Absolutely not lmao
Diezelbub@reddit
The basis being...?
guimontag@reddit
The show is addicted to having every other scene be some climactic power struggle between smart mouthed gangsters. There's very little subtlety to anything or unspoken effects. Shows like The Sopranos and The Wire have these long-reaching looks into their subject matter and don't feel the need to have everything bowtie nicely at the end of every season.
knusper_gelee@reddit
what? have you seen the wire? yes, there are characters that are there from start to finish... but every season has its own arc that closes with the end of that season. if even, the seasons are too loosely connected to each other. i've heard some people dropping the show in the first episodes of season two because its borderline unrecognizable...
guimontag@reddit
Boardwalk Empire has all of 90% of nucky's problems solved in the final episode. People aren't having their problems solved at the end of each wire season lmao, and anyone persisting through seasons has some serious length to their arcs. Prop Joe in season 2 ends up being able to found the co-op in season 3 only because the greeks figure out how to get drugs and drugmaking chemicals into Baltimore, first by boats then later by trucks. These guys come back in season 5 as both his source of power over the co-op (enforcing that everyone pays again for the shipment stolen by Omar) and his downfall (Marlo getting to them then offing Joe because he can make so much money being the connect that sells to the co-op, instead of him just having stuck with whoever his original supplier was before joining).
Anyway, anyone who thinks that boardwalk empire is within a MILE of the wire, sopranos, or mad men can respond to this but I'm not gonna bother
knusper_gelee@reddit
thats not what you said. you said boardwalk empire ties everything neatly up at the end of each season. a five-season show wrapping up in the final part of season five is not that shocking per se. it is a common criticism of that final season to be weak... thats because the season had to be be re-written and shortened because the show was de-facto cancelled. but this is neither a problem of its entire run, nor was that what your original criticism.
but then sayin the wire doesnt do that because "the greeks [and others] are still there and have another operation" is a bit silly. if you take the greeks, they are one-dimensional side-characters with very limited screentime to create the murky context of organized crime. They're not THAT deep and it doesn't change the fact that season two is "neatly" wrapped up as an isolated arc.
the wire is maybe my favorite show. but that doesn't mean every single aspect of it has to be better than everything else.
guimontag@reddit
sorry I meant to say that boardwalk empire solves 90% of all of nucky's problems at the end of every season, and I didn't read anything you wrote past that because anyone who thinks that boardwalk empire is close to the wire doesn't get any respect
knusper_gelee@reddit
please point out the part where i stated that boardwalk empire is close to the wire and i will gladly correct myself.
Diezelbub@reddit
Sound like an analysis from someone without the attention span to actually watch it. The interpersonal relationships are what make it, and they dont conclude at seasons end.
guimontag@reddit
"you disliked this thing so you obviously didn't watch it even though you just described it in multiple ways"
Diezelbub@reddit
guimontag@reddit
"guy doesn't like this thing I'm way into so obviously he is a child"
Diezelbub@reddit
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isigneduptomake1post@reddit
I just rewatched it and think the 1st season is some of the best TV ever, I started to get bored midway through the 2nd.
1st season of winning time and Fallout are great too, and 2nd seasons fell off.
UglyInThMorning@reddit
They had to change the writing up to deal with one actor being sick and the actor who plays Jimmy being fuckin nuts which then went on to effect the overall plot in a pretty big way. I think that kicked the show in the balls and it never recovered.
stuyboi888@reddit
Phenomenal show too. Steve Bucehmi never sees to be in conversations of great actors
noname5280@reddit
Who in the hell is Steve Bucehmi?
stuyboi888@reddit
I made him up as a gag. I spell very poorly
noname5280@reddit
stuyboi888@reddit
Poop. I think he would catch me
StormOfFatRichards@reddit
Did you know he was ugly on 9/11 too
Astaa7@reddit
The wire and Sopranos are just reddit slop shows. Breaking bad is actually good. The other two are just shows fake intellectuals say is good to seem smart or interesting. Both are trash slop
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
You’re wrong in every opinion of this comment. You’re even wrong in suggesting those shows are more Reddit slop than Breaking Bad is.
stuyboi888@reddit
Wow what a terrible take.... At least we know who the intellectuals are
r/iamverysmart
Astaa7@reddit
Just because it inspired greater shows doesn't mean it's good. More proof it's a bad show. You have to find extremely niche facts to praise it.
stuyboi888@reddit
Sure sure buddy. Thousands upon thousands of critics are wrong and you are right.
Go back to your mom's basement
bigbang4@reddit
Hot take. Better call saul was better
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
I think that take has cooled substantially with time.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Vince definitely learned a lot making BB and it’s why bcs is so much more refined
ten7four@reddit
Succession. It'll never get the broad praise those other shows get due to the type of show it is, but I firmly believe it's just as good if not better
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
For real. Breaking Bad gets a lot of praise because it’s accessible. IMO it’s not as good as something like Atlanta, but it’s also a hard ask to compare two things that are so different in what they’re trying to do.
someguy50@reddit
Mad Men is better than Breaking Bad
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
Vince definitely learned a lot making BB and it’s why better call Saul is so much better
someguy50@reddit
Agreed. BCS>BB
stuyboi888@reddit
I've rewatched it more time than breaking bad. 3 Vs once. I love the setting and the large events thought he years like forest gump. Some phenomenal acting throughout too
But, I never like saying shows are better. Both in my book are S tier. Fargo too
AngusLynch09@reddit
I mostly only hear people talking about Breaking Bad in the context of Better Call Saul.
It definitely isn't the best show of the last 20 years.
Vespasian79@reddit
SlipperyGibbet@reddit
ender89@reddit
I had to put down she-hulk when they credited periods and misogyny for training Jennifer to perfectly control the hulk persona.
It was almost as bad as doctor strange telling America chavez that she just had to try hard and believe in herself 30 seconds before she won.
Marvel has a bad track record with female characters. They have two separate avengers with major storylines focused around their lack of children (black widow and scarlet witch) and their female empowerment roundup from Endgame involved the most powerful hero in the movie getting an assist from every woman in the series to run a glove across the battlefield so a man could save the day.
Captain marvel enters the endgame fight by flying face first through a space ship, but she needs the unpowered human with a spear to help her get the infinity gauntlet to tony stark? What kind of writing is that?
Bernard_PT@reddit
That whole Dr. Strange movie felt like a parody recorded with the actual actors
WillWillingson@reddit
Who cares? The real question is when people will stop paying for it and if that day hasn't come yet it will continue.
Advice2Anyone@reddit
Idk cant remember the lasy marvel movie I paid to watch might have been that ant man quantum thing or the stranger Spiderman one but its been literally years
konohasaiyajin@reddit
And I really only watched that because Raimi suckered me in with a Bruce Campbell cameo!
Telleh@reddit
Raging misogynist over here.
ender89@reddit
I can't tell if you're serious or not, but marvel needs better written female characters. Agents of shield did a great job with their female characters, unfortunately they'll probably never bring it back. Runaways did a great job as well, probably helped that there are only two men on the team and the main cast was biased towards women a bit.
Telleh@reddit
Of course Im joking, that word doesn’t exist in my vocabulary for serious use.
NsaLeader@reddit
As baddass as the final war scene in Endgame was, it will be tarnished forever by the cringe "She has help" moment. I fully understand WHY they did it, but the moment comes off as purely fabricated and makes me cringe everytime.
Where were all the men? Were they just taking a little breather? Did Cap or Tony stand up and say "All right guys, take a water break, the women need their moment"? And of all the actresses they have to helm the moment, they choose the wooden board who's trying to make us think the person who, had a jawdrop scene of entry by crashing through the ship and almost overpowering Thanos + Power Stone, just minutes prior, now needed Girl Power to fly a glove across a field.
I get the message of the scene, it's not bad, just horribly timed and horribly written. Even swapping Captain Marvel with a character that would actually need help, like mantis, would have made more sense than the most powerful character in the franchise at the time suddenly needing support.
ender89@reddit
They manufactured a girl power moment that just called them out as lesser than the male characters. Tony doesn't need all his boys behind him for simple tasks, but captain marvel does. It really takes away from every woman in the scene.
Jellywell@reddit
I mean the entire scene was clearly written to appeal to female children (not sure how to say that in a less clinical way) and it apparently succeeded. Superhero movies have tons of nonsensical scenes, caring so much about the girls working together feels childish at best and incredibly misogynistic at worst. Not every part of every film is exclusively for my benefit, but my sister really loved that scene when we saw it at the cinema together and that's good enough for me
ender89@reddit
I'm glad your sister enjoyed the scene, genuinely, but wanting better written female characters is not misogyny.
Also I hope she watched captain marvel, which I also think could have been written better but I love it anyways. I'd love to see marvel get past the idea that strong women first need to prove themselves to some condescending asshole before they're acknowledged as strong women.
Actually, show her agents of shield when she's old enough, Ming-Na Wen is the best thing to happen to Disney in a long time. Between Melinda May, Daisy Johnson/quake, and Jenna simmons there's no end of great female rolemodels who don't need to prove themselves to some man.
Jellywell@reddit
I honestly don't think it was bad, it was just a fun scene for girl power and I think that's okay. The scene wasn't for me and that's fine, but to say it's bad when it achieved its purpose, and to ignore that purpose does seem mysogynistic. It's like a guy saying they don't like Orange is the new black when they're clearly not the target demographic - it's okay to have opinions, but to keep harping on about it feels excessive and obsessive when, imo, it really isn't that deep
Jazzprova@reddit
If it's horribly timed and horribly written, than that should qualify as a bad scene almost by definition alone.
Fuzzy_Wheel_4565@reddit
Wtf you forgot big mouth
The_Meemeli@reddit
Is Euphoria really that bad? I recall the early season(s) getting praise but IDK about the later ones
Dammit_Meg@reddit
Whether or not it's your cup of tea IDK. But it's objectively amazing. Very cinematic and creative and the acting from Zendaya is next level. A very real look at addiction too.
Again you might not like it, which is fair. But it's an excellent piece of media.
BoydemOnnaBlock@reddit
The first season could be described as visually interesting and cinematic. The most recent ongoing season has nothing interesting about it. It’s just complete nonsensical garbage and it’s obvious they completely lacked any direction after the second season since all the characters are useless exaggerations of themselves
Dammit_Meg@reddit
I admit I haven't seen the latest season. Most of the way through the second.
Son_Of_Toucan_Sam@reddit
Please look up the definition of objectively
Hearasongofuranus@reddit
I guess it's great if you're a zoomer who's just realising how fucked everything truly is.
lukasrubi712@reddit
Euphoria first two seasons are better than first two seasons of breaking bad sue me
34Heartstach@reddit
OP is the reason why Netflix has admitted that they're pretty much moving away from picking up series with any sort of nuance in an effort to dumb it down.
AMC with Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and the Walking Dead (first few seasons) just fuckin cooked. There's still good TV out there, but as media consolidation grows studios are going to blow more of their budgets on recycled, dumbed-down IPs.
Ernbob@reddit
Sex ed was good until the finale season. They really fucked the last season so hard.
Lord_of_Seven_Kings@reddit
Sex Education, She Hulk, and Star Fleet Academy are still miles about the res of that that shit
qtquazar@reddit
Breaking Bad walked so that Velma could fly.
Jack-of-Hearts-7@reddit
Or avant-garde kino like Big Mouth
gjb94@reddit
Was Starfleet Academy that one with Patrick Stewart that I watched one episode of and decided it wasn't worth it just to see Patrick Stewart?
Hearasongofuranus@reddit
I think that was Picard (didn't watch either, couldn't be arsed)?
GideonRaven0r@reddit
The first series of Picard was OK.
The second was absolute dogwater.
The third... A masterpiece.
gjb94@reddit
Possibly. There's no way to tell
Admirable-Ad-5026@reddit
It's Picardo the Voyager hologram guy not Patrick Stewart even if the character from TNG and the actor have similar named
speedbreaka@reddit
Why put euphoria in there lmao, its a funny show and is exactly what’s advertised to be. You might take the show too srs
tukebeard@reddit
Velma is up there with the greats.
GeneAt539@reddit
The Harry Potter series isn’t even out yet
fecal_feaster@reddit
Hearasongofuranus@reddit
I guess i can see the future then.
Kazuma_Megu@reddit
There's a Harry Potter series?
melechkibitzer@reddit
Black snape
l23VIVE@reddit
Sex Education almost stuck the landing, Maeve and Otis didn't work and idk why they forced that... Otis and Ruby was a much better pairing
drifteddreams@reddit
last season completely ruined the show
Fern-ando@reddit
The actors of Sex education where still playing high schoolers while they were thinking in their pensions.
ThePassiveGamer@reddit
Baddies
Airdus@reddit
Tbf I enjoued watching a lot more than anything else on the list, didn't finished got past the fan service battle, couldn't last more than 3 episodes of RoP ...
ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit
Real and straight
Winter7296@reddit
Reddit's media illiteracy never ceases to amaze me
zombiechewtoy@reddit
Walter wasn't selfish for not letting them murder him. He was selfish for doing all the things that led to them deciding he needed to be murdered. He was exercising extremely poor and reckless judgment to the detriment of every8, including himself, for no other reason than his ego needed to be the top dog.
SnakePlissken58@reddit
Can't expect OP to understand such complexities.
PeachesGuy@reddit
It's not even subtle, we all saw how big Walter's ego was when he refused to ask his neighbours for money for his cancer treatment, but we can't expect a 4chan user to have the basics of media literacy.
theirishembassy@reddit
yeah, wasn’t Mikes issue that Walt’s ambition fucked everything up?
Walt wanted to be the boss, even though things were working under Fring, and they both had more money than they knew what to do with.
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
You're reading it wrong. Jesse was going to be killed and walt stopped it
Squawnk@reddit
Correct me if I'm misremembering but didn't that stem from Jesse being brought into the super lab to replace Gale cause Walt wanted a minion and not a peer. Jesse was going to go after Hank for assaulting him so Walt saved Hank and started making waves under Gus to do so
Jabbam@reddit
It's because Walt saw Jesse as his only friend, almost like he was his father, and even though he was shit to Jesse and manipulated him, he couldn’t let him go. Hank takes advantage of his empathy for Jesse in Ozymandias and that's when things completely fall apart.
CrispBit@reddit
takes advantage of his empathy? Walt calls the nazis to kill Jesse
Jabbam@reddit
That was after Jesse poured gasoline throughout his house and specifically threatened to murder his wife and son.
Mr_Kase@reddit
Nah, Walt was fine but then Jesse wanted to kill two of Gus’s street dealers for killing Andrea’s kid brother. Walt killed the dealers to protect Jesse and that’s when Gus started wanting to kill Walt once he had a replacement.
honorio2099@reddit
At that point, no, unless you're considering saving Jesse as something "selfish". People talk about Walter's ego and selfshiness but that just becomes a issues in the last season, before that he does everything for his own survival. Mike is absolutely talking shit here
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
The whole walts ego thing is pretty much overdone by fans now
honorio2099@reddit
It LITERALLY becomes a main issue just on the hank scene (where the idiot is drunk), and after he kills Gus (which some people theorize it's the trait he gets from the Gus kill, just as the others people he kills that gives him other traits). Before that he is a asshole, mainly to Jesse sure, but It isn't something problematic and he generally keeps It to himself.
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
Ya its absolutely present and a pretty big aspect of walts personality but also lots of people can't even talk about anything in the show without just pinning it down to walts ego. Even if that is one way to read a certain part of the story it is rarely the only one.
honorio2099@reddit
Exactly. Seems now that Walter instantly is responsible for everyone's bad deeds in the show, ted's and Skylar cooking the books, Mike killing people and endorsing a child murdering druglord and jesse's own poor decisions. Like, Walter is a asshole, but everyone here is or becomes one as things happen too, that's the core of the show. Almost seems like it's a bunch of people breaking bad...
Reading_username@reddit
FR this whole post is a smoothbrain take on the show (aka engagement bait).
Your response is the first rational comment i've seen.
If Walter had just shut up and done his job without causing issues, everyone would still be alive, they'd all be making fat stacks, and no one would be murdered.
Symmetric_in_Design@reddit
It's entirely reasonable to assume that gus would have had walter killed after his contract was done to make sure he didn't reveal the operation one day. Walt basically had to try to dethrone gus, work there forever, or die
Jabbam@reddit
Walt should’ve kept his mouth shut when Gus tried to cut Jesse out. He correctly deduced that Jesse was unstable and was going to cause problems. Jesse's attempt to murder those two henchman is what made Gus decide to want to kill Walt.
Richard_J_Morgan@reddit
So, it was either let your partner get killed over 2 lowlife child killers (who pretty much broke the agreement with Gus), then work for life for Gus,
or die with your partner,
or dethrone Gus.
Gee, Walt is really dumb and selfish for choosing the last one.
I'm not pretending Walt isn't those things (at that point he probably didn't even care about those children either), but he really didn't have much of a choice in the matter.
Jabbam@reddit
Gus wasn’t going to kill Jesse. He was a man of his word. Breaking Bad is not that realistic. Gus is way too upstanding of a drug kingpin to have a real world equivalent and he was an exception out of all the other drug dealers in the show.
MartyMcBird@reddit
well Walt was going to die naturally soon anyways, so his contract running out wasn't a big deal.
theJman0209@reddit
Jesse probably would have died which is why Walt did what he did. Mike tried to convince him to drop Jesse, “No half measures,” but Walt decided to save him by killing Gus’ street dealers.
b400k513@reddit
The people on the Breaking Bad sub will fucking argue until they're blue in the face like petulant toddlers that Walt was justified in running over the street guys with his car to save Jesse, then killing Gale. It's more than why wouldn't you just let Gus kill you bro? It's why couldn't you just keep your fucking head down and just take the money?
Jabbam@reddit
From a strictly moral and not logical sense, he was justified. Those two were child murderers. Jesse was going to kill them in response and Walt was protecting Jesse. Had there not been a domino effect occurring around it this would be your bog standard revenge story.
Jesse behaved irrationally by trying to kill those two. Walt behaved rationally to save them as he wasn’t going to let Jesse die for being a dumbass and someone had to die. A main overarching problem in the series is Walton Jesse, trying to have everything they want and I'm the process something goes so horribly wrong that it destroys everything. Walt wanted Jesse and the job and that was impossible.
b400k513@reddit
Very fair and thorough assessment of the characters' actions.
It kind of shows how sheltered Jesse is too, even though he's been in the drug game for years. Poor Tomas had already been groomed into that life and was already participating in murders himself. He just so happened to get clipped at 12 rather than a few years later in some other gang-related thing. Someone who's in it that early has pretty much no shot at a normal life without a miracle. But Jesse had too big of a heart to him as anything but an innocent victim, and it really speaks to his character.
Jabbam@reddit
Jesse clearly started going into drug selling for the love of the game. He liked doing drugs and he liked money so he wanted to make money selling drugs. For the longest time Jesse was at his happiest when he was making drugs with Walt. And this extended to everything Jesse did. He loved kids, he loved people, he loved music, he loved video games, he loved exploring and trying new things, and especially he loved the idea of having a family.
Which is why being a drug dealer was the worst thing for Jesse since he was going into it bass ackwards. His personality was completely incompatible. Jesse just wanted to have fun without hurting people, whereas other people in the show who joined the drug trade did it because they enjoyed hurting people while making money.
findMyNudesSomewhere@reddit
I swear, Walter's megalomaniac ruined his life. I get being scared shitless of Tuco, the dude was an ass. I can get trying to power grab during the vacuum after Tuco.
What I don't get is his attempts vs Gus. Gus always takes care of his own. He had a cushy job raking in the money just cooking while Gus did all the planning etc. he could've let Pinkman retire, which is all Pinkman wanted to do at that point.
Jabbam@reddit
Because Walt didn’t want Jesse to retire, he couldn’t let go.
viciouspandas@reddit
He brought Jesse in so he would drop the lawsuit against Hank. Walt liked Gale. He only tried to kill Gus after Gus tried to kill him.
Walt is an egotistical monster but his actions with Gus were all trying to save someone. First it was bringing in Jesse to save Hank, then, then it was killing the dealers to save Jesse, then it was killing Gale and Gus to save himself. I wouldn't say those are all morally justified, but understable in that sort of world.
Sparky_321@reddit
Walt wasn’t particularly fond of Gale. His ego required him to always be the smartest, and he saw Gale as a threat to that, like with the coffee maker, for example.
therudestpastor@reddit
I mean he did see Gale as his own replacement, he thought they were just about to retire him (kill him) once Gale got the formula right. He was actuay kind of justified in self preservation
findMyNudesSomewhere@reddit
Gale was his replacement because he and Jesse couldn't stop aggravating the situation.
viciouspandas@reddit
I mean he did do it to save Jesse, and Mike clearly values Jesse's life by this point and had grown to respect him. What he says about Walt's character is true, he is a megalomaniac and very destructive. But the actual thing that caused the rift was him saving Jesse, which Mike would at least want to do for Jesse by the end of the show. Walt is a monster but Mike doesn't really have a leg to stand on there either.
b400k513@reddit
Jesse was a grown man who chose to step out of his lane. If he couldn't be reasoned out of a kamikaze attack on two thugs, he kind of deserved whatever came to him next. Whether or not his anger was justified is a whole other can of worms. Yes, Walt felt a responsibility to protect him, but that was way over the top.
As far as whose fault it all was, I would even argue that Gus should have quietly killed Walt instead of meeting with him in the first place. Gus doomed himself by working with someone who was clearly reckless and clueless.
viciouspandas@reddit
Yeah Jesse was being reckless for sure, but considering that Mike actually likes Jesse by this point, he would also consider him worth saving. And yeah that was a bad decisionfor Walt from a self-preservation standpoint, but it was out of love for Jesse. But ultimately their egos were the downfall of both Walt and Gus, since Gus thought he was invincible and wanted to taunt Hector personally.
cheezzy4ever@reddit
It's been a long time, can you remind me what Walter did that led to them deciding to murder him?
TONewbies@reddit
Brought Jesse into the fold to replace Gale, killed Gus' goons because Jesse was upset they killed his GFs son, killed Gale as he was ultimately going to replace Walter. Very simplified version of things.
CrazyDoctor14@reddit
So he did the stupid things he did to protect Jesse.
Jpanda37@reddit
No, because he’s the one who killed his girlfriend’s son. Walt was tripping off of his own ego and wanted absolute control over every aspect of their operations
Zombie496@reddit
You're thinking of Andrea's son Brock, who Walter poisoned but didn't kill. That was the smoking gun to get Jesse to turn on Gus, as Walt gaslit Jesse into thinking Gus was behind it. The people Walt ran over and killed earlier in the show had killed Andrea's younger brother Tomas to wipe him from their dealing operation after Jesse began causing problems due to them using children to deal drugs. Jesse was going to shoot them in retaliation when Walt intervened and ran them over
Jpanda37@reddit
Ah right, that makes more sense
viciouspandas@reddit
I mean that whole thing started because Walt saved Jesse after literally taking Mike's advice.
What Mike said about Walt's character flaws is true, but that wasn't why the "good thing" was ruined. "The good thing" was ruined when Gus saw Walt kill the dealers to save Jesse, the same guy that Mike by this point had come to like. Then they tried to kill Walt and Jesse, so no shit he's going to find a way out now that there's a target on his back.
Harvickfan4Life@reddit
Kid named Mike
PeikaFizzy@reddit
how to spot a larper
Ok-Lynx3444@reddit
Mike is a pretty egotistical and selfish guy to the “honourable criminal” act he had going on is just a ploy so he doesn’t feel like another lowlife at night even nachos dad calls this out and he can’t even refute it
XxhellbentxX@reddit
Yeah the thing about Mike is that he's a hypocrite.
OberstGankbar@reddit
Never had he made that point that he is an „honorable criminal“. There was a scene where he specifically tells another guy that he is „criminal“ when selling drugs, no matter how he twists it.
Baron_Flatline@reddit
I mean, he’s a dirty ex-cop and veteran. A certain level of cognitive dissonance is required to have his history in the first place.
SamuraiJono@reddit
Doesn't he have a conversation with his daughter or someone, basically bursting her bubble that he was ever a good cop? Maybe that was in BCS now that I think about it
BathtubToasterBread@reddit
It's in BCS when he comes clean to his daughter-in-law about what really happened to his son. Where he spills the beans that he was a dirty cop, his son wasn't, and he broke his boy when he broke the news that he was just as bad as the rest of them, shortly after making his now very hurt and confused son steep to his level, ultimately for nothing as Matty's cop partners murdered him for the slightest hesitance in accepting dirty money
On a separate note, Jonathan Banks absolutely should've won an award for that scene, it's probably the most emotional performance in the Season, maybe even the whole show
SamuraiJono@reddit
God that was such a good show, too.
BathtubToasterBread@reddit
It's such a shame it never won any awards. It totally should have
c1n1c_@reddit
This an the amazing cast even to minor role.
SamuraiJono@reddit
Agreed
Advice2Anyone@reddit
Yep haven't seen him in something i didnt like his acting is always great
Tumifaigirar@reddit
Once a pig always a pig
dorritosncheetos@reddit
Yeah, isnt that just complexity of character.
Are you saying your self perception and actions are never at odds?
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
Mike I think is just trying to get his money so his grand daughter and daughter can have a good life. He's a pretty broken person, I think he clings to fragments of honor where he can but ultimately he will bend to the situation. Yeah he was always hypocritical as a corrupt cop, he always was willing to sell out society to enrich his family.
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
But mike got 10k for them and could've left gus without risking anyone. Let's be real here, Mike's decisions were as much bs as walts and the notion of a code made him sleep better at night but it didn't make him any bit more noble.
10000Didgeridoos@reddit
That’s what they all tell themselves. They aren’t like the cartel or Gus because they have the noble cause of family they’re doing it for. It helps them sleep at night but at the end of it all they are still filthy murderers enabling countless more ruined lives and deaths via the drug trade they are a part of.
Mike, Walter, etc are all pieces of shit.
Eviscerator28@reddit
The "honorable" criminal act is even mocked by Nacho's father in the last season of better call saul
Henroide@reddit
Werner Ziegler, south wall, pouring concrete
starberryslay@reddit
Mike said this because Walter killed the 2 gangsters, not because he refused to get killed. They were trying to kill him because of what he did.
not like I care that much about what a 4chan user thinks, and it's most likely an intentional misunderstanding for humour which I find quite funny too, but I don't see enough comments here telling the truth before we start laughing about the fake scenario
waltuh
Sauelsuesor729@reddit
Because those 2 gangsters would've killed Jesse. Gus due to his massive ego always wanted to kill either Jesse, or Walt or both of them at any point in the show, whatever Walt did was out of survival.
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
I think the 4chan post more sheds light on the absolute bullshit that is said about that speech as if Mike is some old wise man but Mike's logic also falls apart pretty easily.
KnownAsAnother@reddit
They don't possess the media literacy skills for anything longer than a ticktack clip
JohnnySkeletman@reddit
This has to be one of the dumbest ways I’ve seen someone not understand Breaking Bad.
Shahka_Bloodless@reddit
Foreign detected, opinion discarded
WorryingMars384@reddit
I mean they’re in this predicament in the first place cause Walter couldn’t stand not working with Jesse. Like Mike is correct that if Walter had orchestrated the killing of Gale everyone’s life would have been better off, except the people they were selling drugs to lol
iskefiyeli@reddit
Well, wasn't it so that if they didn't kill Gale they were going to kill Walt?
ApplicationCalm649@reddit
Mike wasn't really off base here. If Walt had just followed the agreement and not been a narcissistic pain in the ass they wouldn't have felt the need to kill him.
Admittedly, it got to that point before they had this conversation, but he wasn't talking about that at the time.
BambooSound@reddit
Breaking Bad fans and Rick and Morty fans are the same
LarsRGS@reddit
Mike's entire plot in Better Call Saul is to call bullshit on his "honorable criminal" facade, man.
rageofa1000suns@reddit
I found it so annoying how Walter and Jessie could never at the same time just be happy with what they had going. Instead they both seemed to just want to fuck shit up for each other all the time.
staybehind23@reddit
I never liked Mike. He was written to be to sympathetic as an honorable old gruff dude.
hornwalker@reddit
He had a code and he was extremely competent. He was a great character. Of course he was a bad guy, they all were. But its fun to watch the bad guys.
ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit
Except for the "no half measures"
TrungusMcTungus@reddit
Mike was referring to the part where they all quietly and successfully made millions of dollars, before Walt’s ego got in the way and messed everything up. Anon lacks media literacy.
Diezelbub@reddit
Walt's attachment to Jessie is what really screwed things up anyway
VaultedRYNO@reddit
But walter also was never gonna be content working for someone else. Even if it was perfect his ego continued to push him further and further and further.
Diezelbub@reddit
I didn't see any signs of that before Jessie screwed up his work conditions. He seemed plenty happy withthe respect Gus was giving him which was his true insecurity IMO, not just power but credit.
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
Yeah but his perfect partner was Jesse, because he could control him. Gale was too smart, more like a rival than a partner. I think Gus secretly held Walter in contempt and thought he perfectly hid that. Walter saw right through him and understood that his situation is temporary, so he pushed his limits and he was just lucky, he took good precautions and had leverage but he always put himself in unnecessarily dangerous situations. But the pieces fell right in his lap and he found a friend in the hatred of Hector.
Diezelbub@reddit
Again his affection for Jessie is why he wanted Jessie, not power over him. He was more content with Gayle until he saw Jessie going off the rails and tried to bring him under supervision to help. If he didnt give a shit he would've happily continued with Gale worshipping him and Jessie dead. I do not think Walt or Gale saw each other as rivals. Gale openly appreciated and fed Walt's ego far more than Jessie did. Jessie was the one who insisted they were equal partners and clashed with Walt's ego.
If Jessie was just a useful subordinates why was Walt's final act freeing him? There was definitely emotional attachment to him as a person, even Hank points it out.
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
I didn't say Walt hated Jesse. I'm saying he preferred Jesse to Gale because not only he already had a bond with Jesse from working with him before they reached out to Gus, Jesse wasn't an ass-kisser. You must've not paid attention but Walt was practically disgusted with Gale behind his back, how he kept complimenting him and his formula, how clever he is and how he optimized the process. Yes Walt loved being appreciated, but it got really old really quick for him.
Gale saw Walt as an inspiration, Walt saw Gale as a threat because once he learns the formula and whole process from him, he's not the only one who can produce pure meth anymore. And Gus preferred Gale to Walt. Hence why the whole conflict arises, Walt knows Jesse is going to be loyal to him because they came in together and they will walk out together. He doesn't want Gale because he can't control him and because he understands Gus is trying to replace him.
Diezelbub@reddit
Do you have anything you can actually point to here or is this just head Canon?
The only reason Gale was a threat was because he had already destroyed his relationship with Gus. Walter needed to be replaced only because he stepped up to save Jessie. Gus was willing to even get rid of Gale for Walt until Walt screwed things up saving Jessie. That doesnt suggest he was going to get rid of Walt any time soon until after their falling out.
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
You don't get it. Gale was meant to replace Walt, it was only a matter of time when. That's why Gus insisted on him being the assistant, because they were already friends for years and he trusted him. Gus's ulterior motive for hiring Walt was to pass his knowledge unto somebody else that was less impulsive and more submissive. That became more important once Gus learned that Walt has cancer and he might not be around much longer to pass that knowledge which would make him billions. In the beginning Gus complied with his request to bring Jesse in because otherwise Walt wouldn't work for him. But conflicts brew and situations change, and that's what we watch in the show. Gus starts driving a wedge between Walt and Jesse which Walt sees and is correct, but Jesse thinks he's overreacting (only because he's not the one in danger).
Diezelbub@reddit
Gale was meant to be run the lab until Walt was discovered - Gale was always going to run the lab eventually with or without him. The lab wasn't built for Walt, neither was Gale recruited with the intention of him having a mentor, Gus was going to make billions with or without Walter. What Walter started screwing with was the parts he didnt have locked down the same way - distribution and cartel relations. The problem with Walt wasn't impulse control, it was loyalty to Jessie.
You have your time line screwed up, Walt was not recruited for the lab before Gus knew there was a time limit on the arrangement. Gus saw the cancer fund donation jar and DEA connection before ever getting into real long term business with him. The acknowledgement that it had a time limit was always part of the arrangement from the start, not a sudden discovery.
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
You misunderstand me, I'm not laying out a timeline for you, I'm simply stating the reasoning, more or less in a action-reaction order. The point I'm trying to make here is that yes, Gus was going to make billions with or without Walt, BUT Gus didn't want to work with Walt in the beginning. He thought he was irresponsible for working with a junkie (Jesse) and that alone crossed him off. But it was Gale who analyzed the meth sample and said it was marvelous, pure meth. And he persuaded him into hiring Walt not only because Gale recognized his superiority, but also wanted to learn from it. From Gus's perspective, he hired Walt to adopt his formula and make even more money than planned before. But from the very beginning he knew he doesn't want Walt long term and he tried to be as subtle about it as possible, even allowing Jesse to work with him and then turning him against him. Also, you got the loyalty thing mixed up - it was Mike who said to Jesse on the job that Gus "sees something in him" and that he notices his loyalty, but it's misplaced in Walter.
Diezelbub@reddit
You think being "as subtle as possible" about the arrangement being temporary involves openly saying "I know you have terminal cancer and this is a temporary arrangement, and I'm picking your lab assistant" before it even starts?
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
I didn't say Gus was trying to be subtle about the arrangement being temporary but that Gus was trying to be subtle that he hates Walt and will replace him ASAP.
Jesse is the perfect lab partner because he is controllable in the sense that he's loyal to Walt and works with him, not with Gus. Gus is their employer, Walt and Jesse are friends who came in the business together which makes Jesse loyal to Walt. You can see throughout the show how Jesse is trapped in the belief that he needs Walter to succeed, later on he realises that Walter is a chain on his ankles. That's what makes him controllable, because until he realised that, he was always going to come back to Walter because he felt more familiar and safe with a psychopathic chemistry teacher than a ruthless druglord.
Diezelbub@reddit
Do you have any thing you can actually point to or is this another "so subtle it doesn't even have something showing its true" head canon event?
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
Not from my memory, no. But it's the feeling I always got from their interactions, Gus acting superior and treating him lesser being. I rewatched the show a year ago second time so the tiny details are missed. I can't say Gus hated Walt factually, but it's what I believe from my interpretation of the events in the show
Diezelbub@reddit
Then I think you misinterpreted Gus switching between his public persona mask and his military leader / drug lord existence. That wasn't special for Walt, and Walt didnt really see the latter until he'd stuck his neck out for Jessie (although he caught a glimpse when he interrupted Fring's work persona to get his attention). He even goes dead eyed with Gale when he doesnt get the answers he wants, unless he secretly hates Gale too but again, there isnt anything you can actually point to that suggesting it. His anger at Walt stems from him screwing with a revenge plot that has been in the works for decades, not a preexisting personal vendetta, and his distrust/disgust for Walt only surfaces after shows just how much he is willing to risk to save Jessie's hide.
viciouspandas@reddit
He brought in Jesse because Jesse was suing Hank for beating him nearly to death. Walt was evil and egotistical but he brought in Jesse for other reasons than just control.
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
Not really. If you wish to understand more about the point I'm trying to make, read my last comment in the thread, I explained why Jesse was controllable
Draidann@reddit
If Walter's ego could allow him to work under someone then taking the job at grey matter would have solved all of his issues.
Diezelbub@reddit
Working under people who he already thought screwed him over and didnt respect his genius is why he wouldnt take that job. Seeing it as charity not earned on merit was also a problem for him
viciouspandas@reddit
It got messed up when Walt killed the dealers to save Jesse, someone that Mike also cared about by the time he makes that speech. He's right about Walt's ego, especially when it came to continuing his empire after Gus died, but it was not the reason the "thing with Fring" got messed up. Once Walt saves Jesse and Gus tried to kill him, then of course it can't work forever.
Reading_username@reddit
That was literally part of his code.
He told the story of the time he used a half measure and had things fall apart, so he made sure to never do anything like that again.
ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit
Except he used half measures all throughout BCS and BB
hornwalker@reddit
Yes exactly and look what happened to him. Moral of the story, always kill as your first solution to problems.
ThisUsernameis21Char@reddit
Based
FadedVictor@reddit
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
letourdit@reddit
Sounds like you got tricked into thinking that because the writing was in fact too good, and you fell for the act he put on.
bell37@reddit
He’s called out in BCS series by an actual honest and honorable character.
Sparky_321@reddit
Better Call Saul literally calls this out with Nacho’s dad.
notacrook_1@reddit
Saul calls Mike out about it when that guy at the travel agency (or whatever that was) was killed by Lalo in Better Call Saul
PrimalColors@reddit
Mfw writers write characters realistically:
airfryerfuntime@reddit
Isn't that the point? We're introduced to the Mike he sees as himself, the washed up but honorable grandpa acting as the necessary evil. As it goes on, we begin to see him as the desperate and naive thug he really is.
throw-uwuy69@reddit
I think that’s the point of his character, no? He presents himself as a sympathetic old man, who is a criminal but still follows a code of honor. But as the show characters and viewer watch more of him, if they pay attention they realize it’s all a facade meant to keep them unsuspecting. The character is literally meant to manipulate your perception, you feeling manipulated is you deciding for yourself you don’t like his deceptive ways
PrrrromotionGiven1@reddit
Basically any time TV tries to make me sympathetic towards professional criminals it backfires and makes me hate them more tbh
Worst I ever had it was with The Godfather.
SnakePlissken58@reddit
A movie/show about criminals where the audience has no emotional representative doesn't work. Thete has to be a certain level of whitewashing and glorification involved, or the audience will lose interest in all these selfish and sociopathic murderers.
Bloodhoven_aka_Loner@reddit
Oh, so it's part of the Fast&Furious Torettoverse?
bo0mamba@reddit
You must've hated The Joker movie
venniedjr@reddit
Have you ever seen the David Fincher movie The Killer?
PrrrromotionGiven1@reddit
No.
Moonwatcher_2001@reddit
I didn't like his face or voice as well.
eddy_ed12@reddit
Never seen the show yet this is my favorite meme of Mike
BreathOfTheTilt@reddit
Powerful stuff if youve never watched the show
_eleutheria@reddit
All the characters behaved as expected. What the fuck did you expect from a bunch of drug dealers and contract killers? They're all scum with slightly different circumstances.
Breaking Bad even has a happy ending, as Walt achieves what he wanted. He was dying and wanted to leave money for his family, especially with another little one coming. Even though his family ended up hating him in the end, he achieved what he set out to do.
_Addi-the-Hun_@reddit
He could have just made meth, stfu, and made shit loads. But nooo he had to take down the whole dam thing for some reason
Idk have not seen the show in years.
_Addi-the-Hun_@reddit
This is funny because I have seen the opposite post with the opposite take, same pic. Both sides make good points
ICantRemember33@reddit
anon didn't pay attention, Mike was mad because all Walter had to was not kill those 2 gangsters
alecbz@reddit
He did that primarily to protect Jesse, who was already on his way to do that.
Lord_Chromosome@reddit
Walter did it because he liked the power he had over Jessie and he didn’t want that to go away.
alecbz@reddit
Yeah Walter’s motivations are always kind of murky. But Jesse was definitely either going to kill them or get killed, absent any influence from Walter.
xd3mix@reddit
...did this guy not watch the show?
He isn't talking about letting himself be killed, he's talking about walter not taking Gus' offer and instead deciding to be a threat because he's greedy and couldn't stand gus taking a cut from (what he sees as) his money.
Not to mention that at that point in the series this isn't a "my life will now be slightly inconvenient"... They are all in literally life ruining circumstances
jfuss04@reddit
Its not like there was nothing that happened between the good thing and then the attempt at murder lol
mistasnarlz@reddit
Not gonna lie I loved Mike in Better Call Saul.
Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit
Thank you for not going to lie.
mistasnarlz@reddit
You're welcome king!
ItsHighSpoon@reddit
It was a great backstory for him. Showed us how at the beginning he was hesitant to work with Gus because he knew that guy didn't fuck around. He was exerting power and dominance, calm but fierce. Mike knew once he takes that deal he will never be free. But the desperation to provide for his daughter in law and granddaughter won and he signed a deal to protect the devil.
Crashbox50@reddit
Him sneaking around in The warehouse was hilarious.
SamuraiJono@reddit
Really helped flesh out his character I feel.
jezzete@reddit
“Lauded” ok Robert Christgau Jr use some words we dullards can understand🙄
hairyballsinmybutt@reddit
He's a chemist, not a businessman.
Bloodhoven_aka_Loner@reddit
He ain't no magician!!
Commaser@reddit
"Waltuhhhhhh"
"Waltuhh i know you dont give a shit about the other guys that worked for gus but theyre my friends so we gotta keep paying forever to keep their silence because... because we have to waltuhhh! Its what you do waltuhhhh!!"
What the fuck was his problem bros?
Crashbox50@reddit
If Walter had ignored his ego, he could've met Gus on his own, abandoned Jesse who ultimately would've died in an overdose, and made millions.
Smexy_Zarow@reddit
Imo:
Walter was a loose cannon from the start, and had an obsession with remaining one.
The explosive fake meth should've ended with him getting shot or worse.
Insisting on working with Jesse under Gus's conditions should've gotten them both killed, and Gus should've continued with Gabe and the less than perfect product.
The characters are well written, they are all flawed, but the biggest problem is just obviously that plot armour was required for half of the criminal encounters, since both main characters are idiots that in real life would've died much sooner.
SyedTalks@reddit
Waltuh put ya dick away waltuh
glasser999@reddit
They wouldn't have needed to kill him if Walt ever just stayed in his lane.
Mike is mad Walt created a mess that required his elimination. Mike doesn't want to kill anyone, but his job is to protect the organization, and minimize threats. Mike is a guy who does his job.
Headmuck@reddit
Probably couldn't stand the fact that somebody stood up to Fring while he followed every order. Some of them because he was afraid or wanted to provide for his family but as we learn in BCS he could have gotten out with no consequences and a substantial amount of money. He chose to keep working for fring because he would've gotten himself killed over his self hatred otherwise. Apparently caring for his family wasn't good enough of a motivation after all.
internetlad@reddit
Mike is street smarts. Walt is book smarts. They don't get along most of the time which is ironic because when they do work together they generally succeed.
ITS JUST LIKE REAL LIFE ANON
vibe_assassin@reddit
Wallldduh
Kallonistic@reddit
I got a ton of angry looks in a movie theater because I was saying this show was overrated
Willundrskor@reddit
Was this before or after you opened a can of beans to eat?
Kallonistic@reddit
What’s that mean?
AHighAchievingAutist@reddit
Nigga really eating beans 🫘