This variant still isn't new, and transmission is still extremely rare and only happens in very close proximity like a cruise ship. You have to come into direct contact with an affected person or their secretions. It's not airborne like Covid
Except this one has cases where people weren't in particularly close contact. It's still no where near as infectious as covid was, but we should definitely be keeping an eye on it.
It's a cruise ship, everyone is in close contact. Get one food prep person infected and sneezing/coughing and it's gonna spread to the whole ship easily
It's a page called "Outbreak updates", of course they're going to freak out and blow it up larger than it maybe should be if you listen to an expert's take.
Literally every year or so there's a new "fad disease" like swine flu, ebola, SARS, etc that the media blows up and never goes anywhere. It wasn't until COVID did something actually come of it. I think it was one of the many reasons why the COVID response was so terrible.
H1N1/swine flu has had genuinely horrible outbreaks. The Spanish Flu outbreak is one of the deadliest pandemics in history and was H1N1. The 2009 outbreak also killed tens of thousands worldwide despite the massive global response to it. That shit was nasty, the sickest I've ever been was when I got it in 2010, I had to fight to breathe and I was an in-shape young adult at the time.
I'm not saying they're not bad diseases. Ebola makes you bleed out of every orifice. I'm saying that the media picks a disease and plays up them up as world ending catastrophes. For example, one time they did Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) which has a death rate of like 33%. There have been less than a thousand deaths from it since 2012. The constant barrage of fear tactics leads people to be numb so when we actually do get a swine flu or COVID, people don't take it seriously until it's too late, or worse, never.
I think I muddied my point by talking about my own experience with it -- I just mean to say swine flu doesn't belong on a list of diseases that are blown out of proportion/not a big deal on a global scale.
Honestly I also think people still haven't recovered from how confusing and exhausting that whole entire situation was. It felt like every single day there was something new to worry about, and I think it makes people feel like stuff that is genuinely a big deal amd serious is just another "killer bees" situation.
Well this time it wasn’t some South Americans that live near bat caves that got it. It was white Americans/eurocringes that regardedly got infected and then went to the two places that are known for being superspreader locations; cruise ships and airports
I get it nobody wants to be stuck on a boat or held in a quarantine zone but if there is any suspicion of a mutation increasing the possibility the disease can spread more easily human to human officials should have kept those people out of the general public.
Iirc they got off the boat straight into military plains, and sent to their own countries. How each country is handling the quarantine, that's stupid. UK says homebound for 40 days, Spain said at some point "no need for quarantine". Idk why was it so hard to keep everyone inside the boat for 40 days and just deliver supplies.
Yeah, in their defense tho international law is very inadequate for cases like this and preventing people to return to their home nations has always been a source of diplomatic bickering.
I think as of now they have been and are mostly being quarantined at some hospital in Nebraska. But that’s after the fucked about in airports and public for two weeks first
Because of the origin: idiot tourists that visited a landfill in a 3rd world country, or on a cruise which are notorious for disease, who then are somehow allowed to fly to multiple other countries infecting other people, etc etc
Never before in the history of Earth had there been billions of people in such proximity to billions of cows, billions of pigs and billions of chicken.
Add to that the deterioration of our immune systems, the looming threat of antibiotic-resistant diseases, worsening education across the world, and worsening conditions for the fair and few who dedicate their lives to combating these monstrous pathogens.
While it might seem like education is getting worse since the internet enables stupid people to share there messages, and be swayed, education is only getting better, and has been since like forever. As for our immune system, probably yeah. But our massively increased education and intelligence far outweighs a somewhat lower immune system due to lifestyle choices.
If you look at just the US, sure, it’s slightly cooked when it comes to outbreaks, but the US is NOT your average nation, it’s far from it.
All these new viruses CANT be antibiotic immune, cus antibiotics don’t really work on viruses in the first place! Bacteria are much less scary overall compared to viruses for that fact, and cus they aren’t as easily transmitted (generally.) the biggest place that bacteria become resistant is in hospitals, where it’s easy pickings for them.
It just seems like you are doommaxing really hard…
He asked for an explanation, I gave him an explanation. Could be much worse.
Unfortunately, friend, education is getting worse. Or rather, our minds are getting duller. IQ across developed nations has been going down for about two decades. This was before the episodes of mass migration of the mid 2010s, so the chuds can't handwave it away either, as they do most problems.
I didn't day that they are the same, I said that they are evil, no such thing as a good country or a bad country, all governments care about their own wellbeing first, and only then the people.
A lot of hostile governments exist, why would only one of them make a virus? If they did, why does it work on their own country? Why do you think that such a virus is manmade, why didn't it for example kill every single host?
Your answer just leaves more questions then it answers.
“No such thing as a good or bad country” dude wtf are you even talking about ??
Yes I can clearly point to a country take spends billions on foreign aid / takes in refugees and say it’s a good country
And point to a country that commits genocide and say it’s clearly a bad country 🤦🏻♂️
A disease being made in a lab has happened. I’m not implying covid itself was used as terrorism just that it was made by humans. This is really not hard to fathom
I am not implying it, I'm saying it, there are several NATO military operations I would consider evil.
Every single superpower dangled in bioweapons, Soviet Union, China, US, latter one even used Agent Orange in Vietnam.
You're backing down from your previous point to a more reasonable one, you implied that evil country was making evil things in a lab, and now it is simply an accident.
Most countries don't care about human rights, even in Europe, UK is probably the most prominent example.
So are all nations equally evil why should I care about Russias invasion of Ukraine ? Or Israel’s war crimes against Palestine ?
“You’re backing down”
lol no I’m elaborating. I said they were messing around with Covid in a lab to potentially do something evil (which they’ve done before you even acknowledged this)
Because nations, countries, governments, don't matter, people do, you don't have to support Ukraine, Palestine, US, or whatever to dislike that people die.
According to Marx, it's economy and geography, like for example you mentioned Norway a while ago, it is a very fortunate country, because it possessed energy that made it rich during industrial age, this success was carried over when they discovered oil in WW2-Cold War, and now they have an investement fund.
Imperialism also defines a country, a stronger country will impose their will on a weaker country, thus changing both countries.
Marx worked as a journalist, his occupation has no effect on his analysis.
Africa has a lot of resources they can't develop because they've been fucked over previously, you need technology and something to start out, they have neither.
Again, his personal failings have absolutely nothing to do with his historical analysis, just because someone did something evil doesn't mean that we have to absolutely discard his work, this just makes you look infantile, if you disagree, then go ahead and dismantle the whole space program for the entire world.
Look at whole Middle East, India, China, Cambodia, Korea, South America, Central America, whole of Africa especially South Africa, Lybia and Sudan, how are "global human rights" working out for them?
I also see how diversity is working out, let's ask LGBT people living in Iran how it is working out for them, they are regious fanatics? (oh I wonder why) What about Russia? We can look at what US is doing too, still to far? Let's see how even government of Germany is treating people who march for Palestine, or how other governments treat Ukrainian refugees.
I have no intent to continue this dialogue, you are naively ignorant.
Historical analysis ? How about the financial / political reality of communism being a failed ideology 😂 that alone makes his works TRASH
South korea only exists because of the US getting involved in a war it didn’t need to, and it seems like those other countries suffer from LACK of western imperialism 😉
Is your argument that diversity is a failed experiment that doesn’t work? Because you’re making a VERY good argument against it
People like you can’t have dialogue if they tried. All you can do is cope
You are correct, I can't have a dialogue like this, it is difficult to talk with a naive ignorant hypocrite who has no idea what I'm even talking about, I hope you will find joy when your government bombs hunderds of people in the Middle East for a millionth time (it's good for their human rights actshually).
America fought literal Nazis. Russian propaganda is NOT reality
Under US occupation Afghani women could go to school / had human rights. If you think the cost of innocent life isn’t worth the fighting for the freedom of foreigners then I agree with you
Presumably exactly that, given that the single best piece evidence we have for the lab leak theory suggests Sino-American cooperation. Unlike u/JustChillin3456 I don’t think it was a bio weapon, just a science experiment gone seriously awry. But given the shear amount of damage that “experiment” caused I can’t exactly blame people for thinking it was deliberate. It is human nature to attribute accidents of great magnitude to malice.
Bio-weapons are pretty shit if they have the mortality of a bad flu, are so infectious they easily escape ground zero and infect your own people as quickly as the enemy's
Also people used to simply die without anyone knowing the specific cause. You could tell someone had a fever or couldn't breathe properly but you didn't know what caused that or how it could be treated. Before vaccines and modern medicine were invented half of the children didn't make it past 10
He is charismatic, to subhumans. Evolved people are disgusted by him, even all the old school neocons with a triple digit IQ were and still hate him, but have no choice but to fall in line because the hordes of shit smeared savages that voted for him just outnumber them so greatly
Overprivileged white guy who doesn't understand saying "I don't care about current events" is a privilege or middle eastern guy with internalized racism, call it
America is merely a vassal state to the real evil, Israel. Do you think Trump was elected without help from Israel? Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-American billionaire, gave hundreds of millions to Trump.
I think there has always been viruses like Hanta going around, usually they don't get too much attention. It is just that everyone is a lot more sensitive to these things since Covid, which makes us feel like there is alot more viruses going around.
There hasn't been a case of hanta virus in Ushuaia since 1996, and infections usually happen in unvented granaries or mountain refugees during the flowering season of the Colihue cane.
It's pretty odd no matter how you look at it, that cruise ship tourists, who are usually not into mountaineering or rural exploration would get it, and the timeline doesn't fit very well.
They could have gotten it in another Patagonian Port either side of the Andes, but it's still pretty odd that it would appear on a cruise of all places.
Anyhow Hanta is very well known in Argentina and Chile and I recall seeing advises in every national park about proper venting / avoiding refugees that look abandoned or have signs or being inhabited by mice.
They didn't say Hantavirus outbreaks have always been happening. "Viruses like Hanta going around"
There were some big disease outbreaks I remember when I was younger. A bird flu and an ebola that a lot of people got worried about though barely ended up reaching anybody in the US.
It's pretty odd no matter how you look at it, that cruise ship tourists, who are usually not into mountaineering or rural exploration would get it, and the timeline doesn't fit very well.
Patient Zero was into birdwatching and had been on a roadtrip through South America for months. It makes perfect sense that he got it. And if anything Ushuaia is an unlikely source, because that's a place where tourists often go (hence we should've seen it earlier or with more people).
The fact that ONE person developed symptoms weeks before anyone else, including his wife, seems to me like he went off doing something dicey. Since it can be anywhere from 2 to 7 weeks before he boarded the ship, and both are dead, we're probably not going to track down a specific source unless he wrote a traveling log.
Yeah, hantaviruses were first found in 1978, and the Andes hantavirus (this particular strain/species) was found in 1995
Cruise ships are like disease Petri dishes
Get one on there and the virus looks at people like an all you can eat buffet
Speaking of which, thanks to everyone handling utensils and being close together the virus spread a lot as the boomers were eating at the all you can eat buffet on that cruise ship
This is the importance of functional public health institutions built on science and not politics.
People love to cite how the CDC gave improper recommendations for COVID when it first hit, but they were responding to a newly developing situation and corrected their recommendations as they received additional data. And, they were fought along the way by GOP leadership at various levels of government capitalizing on populist politics to demonize efforts to protect the public.
We have the data now to show that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns were effective at reducing spread of the disease and, most importantly, load on hospitals. And, the vaccine has been effective and safe.
Please pay attention to what WHO says and listen to the *consensus* amongst epidemiologists (not just fringe dipshits on TilTok or trust me bro sources). For those in the US, the CDC will most likely give sound guidance, but I am deeply disturbed by how compromised they are in appeasing the Trump administration. Besides, the CDC is so understaffed they will likely not be able to effectively trace this virus at the speed needed to manage outbreaks.
And there’s a virologist report from 2007 which stated that the number of Coronaviruses in Wuhan combined with the local penchant for eating exotic animals was a ticking time bomb.
It being made in a lab is plausible, sure, but so is someone getting it from fucking a bat. I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government, but so far it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
In 2002 we had the SARS epidemic from completely out of left field, and early investigations revealed that SARS-type viruses were commonplace. By 2007, ample evidence had been collected to say that SARS-type viruses were naturally occurring in the bats of Southern China and Southeast Asia.
And the high infectivity without countermeasures (R=2.5-3) plus relatively wide international spread made it a naturally very concerning prospect that SARS could come back. And naturally Wuhan is in the middle of several locations implicated in the evolution of SARS.
Gain of function research requires no malice, and neither does it going seriously awry. All the latter requires is incompetence, negligence, bad luck, or all three.
Apparently it's been around for like thousands of years all across East Asia and reaching across Siberia. Chubbyemu did a video on it the other day. There might be American strains as well, I forget all the details.
Andes virus has existed for a while but it’s been geographically isolated. Apparently patient zero for this outbreak was an ornithologist that was visiting landfills to watch birds in Argentina before boarding the ship and that’s likely where he got infected.
This one was caught after two such people went to an Argentinian landfill to go birdwatching. They then went back on their cruise and the rest is history.
They literally just exist, and they always have. I mean seriously, Republicans wonder why we were funding that very sketchy bio-research in Wuhan. They can’t figure it out. They make up all these elaborate theories about why the US and China were collaborating, suspecting a Sino-American bio-weapons program, even going as to stomach the thought of the Dear Leader condoning it.
But it’s really not that complicated. There are at least a hundred of these “zoonotic viral diseases” and each one has the potential of turning into the next Ebola, or the next HIV, or something worse. In previous decades, and especially after the West African Ebola epidemic, it was considered imperative to stay on top of those viruses, and thoroughly research them. If you think this is all very darkly ironic considering where COVID allegedly came from, I don’t blame you. But if you had any interest whatsoever in survivalism or post-apocalyptic stuff prior to COVID, then you know very well that the fear of pandemic was always on people’s minds. If you never really knew why, well then that was a you problem. The internet was not a new thing in 2019.
You know how in Plague Inc, you only ever get the infectious evolutions, then by the end when you already infected everybody you get Coma and Total Organ Failure and then everybody dies?
It's basically like that. Viruses that can stealth like that is OP AF.
The actual correct choice - cold enough to help prevent contagion, nice enough to enjoy some parts of the year, big enough to not have to talk to other humans
Don't you remember how viruses work via COVID? The first COVID strain was deadly and had hard symptoms but didn't spread as fast due to this. Once it started mutating it's lethality went down and the symptoms became less intense so it spread more easily. Now it's not a big deal due to this.
We might see the same thing with this virus. Right now it's very deadly so it doesn't get a good chance to spread. As it mutates the strains that survive and spread further will most likely be the ones that people can tolerate and walk around in public with for maximum spread.
That's not actually true. COVID is infectious from 3-4 days before symptoms to 5-10 days after symptoms. The average COVID death occurred at around 20 days after symptoms. Whether or not you die after the virus is done using you is irrelevant to infectiousness, and having more severe symptoms doesn't matter if you reach peak infectivity before symptoms.
In fact, COVID actually got worse - the 2021 Delta variant was associated with a significant increase in hospitalizations and mortality in people without acquired immunity while also spreading faster. The reason this wasn't "felt" as much is because a lot of people already had immunity from vaccination or prior infection. Most other 2021 strains were also slightly worse.
The ONLY time this happened with COVID was the mutation of the Omicron lineage, which shifted the infection site towards the upper respiratory tract and hence improved both infectivity and reduced mortality. It was a fluke, not natural law or biologic necessity.
It also isn't the only time viruses evolve to be more deadly as an outbreak progresses - the Spanish Flu started out as being a moderately dangerous disease, but ended up becoming exceptionally deadly in the second and third waves.
With Covid that was kind of incidental though. The strain that was less deadly and spread faster tended to be shallower in the respiratory system, meaning that it was less dangerous to the host but also easier to cough out at others.
That isn't necessarily what will happen, viruses have different 'reproductive strategies', like all life forms. The rabies virus is 100% lethal and it hasn't burned itself out.
It's random mutation, so this virus can just evolve into extending its incubation period without reducing its lethality. I guess soyientists that know their shit about genetics are studying how it may evolve right now
The issue is that the incubation period is so long. So far at least it’s believed that they’re only infectious once they become symptomatic, and since it gets very severe very quickly, it’s a non-issue. Like Ebola. But if it can be transmitted BEFORE symptoms show up, or if it evolves to do that, we’ve got a big problem. The good news is that the initial pool of infected is so small that the probability of that specific mutation occurring and then spreading is very low
Yeah I just saw that it's only 11 people that are quarantined. Im not clear how many were on the ship but that doesn't seem like that many. I was under the impression it was a large amount of people.
u/grok what is the name of the strain? Where and when was it discovered? Is it currently researched? Have all infected of the strain been put on quarantine? What was the origin of the strain? Whats ite lethality and impact?
It is still spread through physical contact. And a lot of people have a lot of physical contact. Think of a shoulder bump, someone grazes your hand, etc.
I haven’t shit since Saturday but the weekend gap doesn’t mean I’m not gonna shit in the next hour. I haven’t gotten into an accident but that doesn’t mean that I can’t get t-boned next week.
Just because something hasn’t occurred in a long time does not make it incapable of occurring. The likelihood of mutation is low, but we’re also aware of how these viruses can rapidly mutate if given half the opportunity, and right now the USA doesnt have the best track record for containing viruses.
Genetic stability can be quantified. This strain has been known for the last 30 years and the whole world has scientists tracking and logging its genome. Not just the USA.
Well apparently this is Andes virus but this is clearly way more infectious than it should be. Normally you have to be in very close and prolonged contact with the carrier.
Would honestly be kinda neat if Plague Inc added an optional challenge where upgrades weren't retroactive and instead only applied to newly-infected people (with the small possibility for previous victims to become re-infected if the plague has undergone sufficient changes), it would discourage the typical "infect everyone with a mild cold and then magically transform it into the deadliest plague in history" tactics and encourage people to actually balance their infection rates with their casualty rates.
Even then it would be absurdly overpowered when compared to reality, as new features would initially only affect where they appear, rather than applying globally (even to just new infections) and also compete with other strains of the virus.
But it is a game, with extraordinarily strict goals (every human must die), so the player will need to be rather overpowered as compared to reality for there to be a good chance of winning.
Insane how this collective cognitive dissonance has spread. Can't believe I didn't consider it, though it is fascinating how widespread and engrained plague inc is in many's minds.
That’s the thing though. I never understood how people translate that to real life.
Viruses aren’t a union that meet once a year in Geneva to decide how they’ll look and act for the year. If one mutates to be deadly, only that one is, as long as it infects others.
I’d always imagined that you unlocking new stuff with the biological diseases is just basically determining for how long you set the incubation time for that particular symptom. It’s far from a watertight head cannon but at least it’s better than having every single virus gathering at some secret meeting to update their genes.
☝️🤓 Um, you seem to be implying that Coma kills a lot of people, but it actually has very low lethality. The purpose of this symptom is to significantly slow cure research.
that said if your transmission rates are too low and symptoms are too severe, scientists will discover your disease early and get to work (also reasonable people will probably wash their hands more often and wear masks if they have to go out while sick)
anyway, for what it's worth, the WHO's saying that the virus isn't particularly transmissible
It really isn't. Andesvirus is only infectious during symptoms with close contact, and untreated people just fucking die within days of developing them, limiting the spread of disease.
This is a good thing for the people that dont have it. Since its period that is it infectious is after when the symptoms start to show, and we know everyone who had contact with it, it should be controlled/resolved within the next month
Because Hantavirus is only contagious after the onset of symptoms, which like the OOP said is usually quite rapid. This is very different from COVID which was contagious all throughout its incubation period, and even in asymptotic people.
Do we know this for sure now? Last time I read about the subject, I couldn't find definite data. If it really was contagious the whole time, I get the feeling a lot more damage would have been done.
This hantavirus is native to South America. The MV Hondius (which is very small as far as cruise ships go) departed Ushuaia on April 1st. Most of the passengers didn’t disembark until well over a month later. If this disease was anywhere even remotely close to as contagious as COVID, the death toll would be a lot higher than 5. On this basis I trust the reports I have seen describing when this particular disease is contagious.
They are mostly going off of the assumption that it is similar to previous Andes Hantavirus outbreaks since their genomes match (I remember someone reporting it was over a 99% match, I’ll try to find the source soon)
It’s not really known for sure yet how contagious it is, and it might not be until two months from now since that is the longest time until symptoms that is know
This. Covid also rarely killed in comparison (2% death rate versus over 40% for hantavirus). You can't get this just by being in the same room as an infected person as healthcare workers caring for hantavirus patients have not contracted it without needing clean suits and all that like during covid.
What made COVID dangerous and a pandemic was the ease of spread by proximity and the infection itself allowed it to spread further, plus we didn't know much about it at the time as a novel virus, while hantavirus has been known about for decades. It also had a low fatality rate so those infected could spread it easier while hantavirus's high mortality rate will make it "burn out" faster.
While yes even COVID deaths were too much, a pandemic with a high lethality rate virus is practically unheard of with modern day intervention.
In the early days, I believe COVID had a much higher mortality rate because of lack of immunity, no vaccines, and lack of mutations which later brought the fatality rate of the virus down to ~2%. I think the original fatality rate was around 15%, especially before it came overseas, if I’m not mistaken. “Too much” is a light way of putting “there were refrigerated trucks in the streets of New York because the morgues were too full of bodies.”
Soapbox wasn’t necessarily directed at you. I just wanted an excuse to stand on it. Lol
Not saying hantavirus doesn’t have a much much higher fatality rate, but it’s far less likely to infect millions of people. Not just because of existing medical technology but also because it’s not contagious until symptom onset, and even then you have to be in very close contact for a prolonged period of time
It varied worldwide depending on response and local infrastructure. What made COVID bad too was the run on hospitals and clinics which stressed the system worldwide, causing a lot of other problems.
With hantavirus, you're asymptomatic then basically just drop dead. It's morbid, but unlikely to cause the same problems as COVID.
Except 2 of those infected were members of the ships crew and 1 was the doctor on board. Now the doctor is explainable since was likely in constant close contact with patient zero but the crew members aren’t really. Additionally the number of infected has jumped up to the point that I doubt it could’ve just been close contact with patient zero and other infected people.
And only after prolonged exposure, if you are to get infected by another person.
The only reason the infection actually spread this time was that infected people went on a cruise ship and spent a long time around non infected people.
This hantavirus is native to South America. The MV Hondius (which is very small as far as cruise ships go) departed Ushuaia on April 1st. Most of the passengers didn’t disembark until well over a month later. If this disease was anywhere even remotely close to as contagious as COVID, the death toll would be a lot higher than 5. On this basis I trust the reports I have seen describing when this particular disease is contagious.
Oh I'm aware, but it still fits. It wasn't a "Oh the virus isn't dangerous" that prevented people from listening, they did it out of spite because American pride overrides survival instincts.
Sure but there is merit in questioning the media when sensationalism pays the bills. It is not surprising that 100% of people don't discern the facts from misinformation.
I don't think you shouldn't question media, Americans just have a habit of questioning the wrong ones in the worst ways. Instead of ACTUALLY questioning it and seeing something not adding up, they literally want to spite people to their own detriment.
The measures put in place to prevent Covid's spread were ineffective not because people disobeyed, but because no measure short of shutting down civilization entirely for a few months would have prevented the spread.
Look at nations like China and Australia who were not opposed to locking people up in their homes or in camps to reduce the spread. Do we think they really faired better than the US with their tyrannical policies?
There was no practical solution to end the transmissions. The best solution would have been for immunocompromised people to shelter away from public and visitors--and even that is a tough ask and a far cry from safety.
I'm not speaking at all on the validity or effectiveness of protocol, I'm talking about the incessant and widespread habit of ignoring warnings and overtly making things worse out of spite.
Throwing more parties because you wrongfully think it's infringing on your rights for people to discourage it, refusing to wear masks or leave space between you and strangers or plainly ignoring experts who are doing their best.
It's like how the politics go: People were AHEAD of the curb on the corruption in the administration, gave every resource possible to educate and make people aware and people literally ignored it for the fashion, just to spite people they disagreed with. We literally have hours of footage of MAGAs talking about how they don't care if trump does bad stuff, these people will lop off their noses to spite their faces.
You can claim to not be speaking on the validity and effectiveness of protocol but those two things are at the core of the one example you presented.
Given that things like social distancing and flimsy fabric masks did little to hinder the spread of the virus, requiring them to go into public places was more of an exercise in mass social control than a policy of safety. And while most of the people who went out of their way to violate these ordinances were certainly not doing so with selfless intentions, (I remember thinking very lowly of them at the time) by the end of it, I feel like they weren't in the wrong. All the selfish kids that had parties and were trying to catch the virus for lols may have went and transmitted it to their family and onwards, sure. But they would have caught it just by going to school anyways, considering they weren't required to wear effective respiratory equipment either.
The vaccines are the pinnacle of this seemingly draconian policies. A shot that was rushed through trials concerningly quickly (or several shots) that doesn't prevent the contraction or transmission of the virus. It merely lessens the symptoms. For most people, the symptoms of covid were already quite mild--akin to the common cold or less. However, if you didn't allow yourself to be injected by this hardly tested science experiment, you were persona non grata. No going to school, you may have to resign from your job, you couldn't go out to restaurants, no visiting loved ones. It was a very real and dystopian experience. And remember that the vaccine did not prevent transmission.
So your saying that people were wrongfully disobeying the government and the experts who were trying their best? But clearly, there were huge gaps in their logic, yet our leaders still went to the extent of trying to compel everyone to get a mystery shot, separating families and friends, and making those who didn't follow the rules into pariah. Those don't sound like the good guys to me. I am not saying that everyone who deliberately disobeyed was some brave freedom fighter. Most of them were selfish in intention, yes. But they weren't the bad guys. Do you wonder why Biden gave a preemptive pardon to Fauci? Good guys don't need preemptive pardons.
And I can't speak for others, but the area I was in did have people dying. When I got sick myself that shit almost got me, and I was in highschool/starting college and non immunocompromised.
It fully makes sense to me to shun someone who deliberately puts me in danger. I do not care how valid someone thinks their perspective is, I got sick and couldn't breathe for the first time in my life and motherfuckers refused to take that seriously and put that onto others. I know a lot of families that are heavily divided now because people overtly were the express vectors of infection, because (who woulda thought) once people start dying you want to go to a doctor and make sure you're not next. Lots of Carriers.
I don't think our leaders are perfect, but again, the leaders aren't the ones showing borderline callous disregard to their fellows.
I understand the point you're making, but the core of what I originally said was that modern Americans make a deliberate choice not to listen. It's one thing for something to be ineffective and simply not work out, and it's a horse of a different color for people to refuse to engage with it as is. A ineffective method is not showing its base ineffective nature when people are making a overt and undereducated choice to undermine/ignore it. My point still stands.
As an American... yeah. The entire Republican party (~half the population I believe) threw a tantrum during the covid pandemic and are still pissed about it.
Both are true. People refused to acknowledge the virus was dangerous enough to change their lives and also ignored how clearly it was changing other people's lives.
I actively lived in a area where people were dropping because of it and those same people had family members who refused to wear masks or mitigate social gatherings. I promise you, there's a minority who are rational and will be careful and a massive majority who will be the express reason the virus gets to mutate.
Meh, I don't really care about dying. My biggest fear during Covid was I read that Covid shrunk penis and cause ED. If my penis get any smaller it would be a clitoris. I take death please.
At this point people are just assuming every new disease does the asymptomatic transmission thing, when it is very rare to be infectious more than hours prior to symptom onset. SARS-CoV-2, HIV and Ebola (semen remains infectious for months and sometimes the virus will lay dormant and suddenly reinfect you from inside) do this, Hantavirus doesn't. Everyone infected has been in close contact with a symptomatic person.
Regarding mutation, it has a tiny chance of happening per person infected, becoming a larger chance with more people infected. It is astronomically unlikely for significant mutations to have happened - at most, there may be someone who is infected by a third-generation (of human transmission, so three "persons" of mutation) virus - and with such low case counts, they're not going to happen either. The virus also isn't new, it was identified as the causative pathogen of a couple outbreaks in South America.
This is only "newsworthy" because its happening to American and European tourists. Besides hundreds of cases already having happened years ago in South America, the comparable Nipah Virus has been causing outbreaks every couple years in South Asia. The last Ebola outbreak ended last year with 60 cases - it's been causing continuous outbreaks in Congo the past decade. A different and more dangerous Monkeypox virus epidemic is also ongoing in Africa.
Except the goal of a virus isn't to feed its to reproduce. It needs living cells to convert into virus factories to do that. Killing the host stops like 90% of the available infection vectors. It's a bad evolutionary option for most viruses.
I mean, you die because your immune system keeps nuking the body over and over and over again in its attempts to get rid of the virus. I'm not sure if that's how it is for this virus specifically, but lots of infections and diseases are like that.
As complex and smart as the human body is, it sometimes accelerates its own demise.
You’d still die though, bacteria and viruses consume resources and alter homeostasis even if the immune system doesn’t go around inflamating all to oblivion. The immune system just tries to heal you, even if kills you 2 weeks earlier.
This is only half true. Yes, an overactive immune response is certainly detrimental, but pathogens themselves have also evolved to trigger an overzealous response because that can help them grow. One example is the toxic shock super antigen produced by staph aureus
A lot of people actually. Dead bodies, if left awhile, produce lots of gases and liquids. The person finding the body, the people who recover the body, the people who are studying the body because of the infection, the doctors/nurses, the mortician.
most viruses die with their host before long since they can't use dead cells to replicate. notably, the bubonic plague is an exception; corpses are still a potential vector for transmission long after death.
Not entirely, as long as the virus is able to spread before it kills the host then it can be quite successful, albeit with the problem of eventually burning through everyone it can infect.
Case in point: African Swine Fever (pig Ebola) which is insanely contagious, has a near 100% kill rate, and is hardy enough to survive outside the host for months, and a few viral particles on clothing or shoes is enough to spread the virus from one pig population to another. No cure, no vaccine. Only solution is mass culling otherwise the virus will burn through every pig or hog it comes across. And IIRC, the virus has the ability to spread when a pig is not all that sick.
I find this extremely funny because there is no cure too most viruses. There are some drugs that kinda work with some and not very well, and some that work specific viruses and that’s it. Treatments for every viral disease are basically treat the symptoms until your body immune system gets rid of it.
You have something like a viral encephalitis? Well let’s hope your immune system can do something about it
Yup. It's crazy that the immune system has the library of attacks against all possible viruses and is the only thing that can save you. All we human beings can do from the outside is help it. And hence it becomes very important to take care of it by eating healthy and exercising.
As a biologist/biochemist this is the worst take i have ever heard. The virus wants to spread and it does not feed on flesh of anything like that. A longer period to spread would be ideal. The virus does not actually want to kill you either but viruses that come from other animals to humans often are more taxing/deadly to us. As it spreads, new versions become more prominent and adapt to spread faster. This goes hand in hand with milder symptoms so the host actually Goes around and spread the virus instead of just laying in bed at home.
Ideally if I was a conscious virus I wouldnt kill the host but make my permanent home somewhere where the immune system doesnt hang out like herpes and other viruses do.
Viruses don't feast on anything, they're not even alive. They're rogue strains of dna that infact the cells of living beings to "take them over" so the infected cells produce copies of the virus. I believe that is part of the reason why it's harder to make effective antiviral medicine compared to antibiotics or antifungal meds; you can kill bacteria and fungi, you can't kill a virus
The patient 0 (Leo Schilperoord) was an ornithologist that went to sightsee a "rare" bird
contracted the virus during a birdwatching visit to a landfill outside Ushuaia in late March.
On March 27, the couple visited a landfill outside Ushuaia that attracts birdwatchers searching for the white-throated caracara, also known as Darwin’s caracara after Charles Darwin.
That's the first contact with the virus. On a landfill.
Then he continue to travel with his wife, this is the close contact that enabled the virus to go person-to-person.
except actual mortality rate is 30% but only for people who don’t get any treatment, for people who treat symptoms mortality rate is below 6%. News outlets seek cheap attention with these fake numbers which is typical for them big noses
You can’t be serious. If you believe that you are incompetent. Have you seen French esports players? French athletes? The French are absolutely brutal in war. Maybe learn to examine the world directly instead of relying on propaganda and nonsense
This may be a foreign concept to you, but i was making a joke. A VERY, VERY common joke. Really, it's not original in the slightest. Everyone shits on the french, especially other Europeans (which is what i am). We all hate each other, except Italians who seem to hate themselves
Transmission is difficult for human to human. Its generally only close contact with bodily fluids, not airborne. So if you are frequently sharing needles or having sex then you might get it. Not great, but it is not as infectious as covid.
Catching this sounds fantastic. Who wouldn’t want to go right before everything hits the fan? I’m on the edge of losing my job to AI and losing my freedom to Republican Christo-tech-facism. Sounds like the perfect time for an infection.
the hospital workers in the netherlands also got infected and are in quarantine now, due to not following protocol. i still don't understand why they let that ship dock here while spain refused. should had kept them at sea
It doesn't say anywhere that they were actually infected. They just self-quarantine to be safe after not following the regulations for handling blood and urine in the strictest way that they should have.
“She didn’t have a healthy diet” “yUP, that’s the Covid vax that weakened her” “she didn’t exercise” “did she have good vitamin D levels?”. Many creative ways to dismiss this. Not smart ones, but creative.
Virus is only contagious once symptomatic, once symptomatic most people are isolated in hospitals, the mortality rate is much too high for the virus to become too contagious. There is nothing to worry about, there will not be a hantavirus pandemic. Chill.
Isn't it not all that contagious compared to other viruses? Yeah it's deadly and needs to be taken care of, but a big reason why COVID became such a big thing was now contagious and easy to spread it was.
cortez_brosefski@reddit
Hantavirus isn't anything new, is been around forever. Why are people freaking out lmao
Early_Power_5366@reddit
Because of 2020
aVarangian@reddit
this is the one variant that spreads between humans and has no antidote
smallanimals123@reddit
there is no substantial evidence that hantavirus can spread from human to human
aVarangian@reddit
dumbass
cortez_brosefski@reddit
This variant still isn't new, and transmission is still extremely rare and only happens in very close proximity like a cruise ship. You have to come into direct contact with an affected person or their secretions. It's not airborne like Covid
makalasu@reddit
Except this one has cases where people weren't in particularly close contact. It's still no where near as infectious as covid was, but we should definitely be keeping an eye on it.
cortez_brosefski@reddit
It's a cruise ship, everyone is in close contact. Get one food prep person infected and sneezing/coughing and it's gonna spread to the whole ship easily
the_gerund@reddit
It's a page called "Outbreak updates", of course they're going to freak out and blow it up larger than it maybe should be if you listen to an expert's take.
SippyTurtle@reddit
Literally every year or so there's a new "fad disease" like swine flu, ebola, SARS, etc that the media blows up and never goes anywhere. It wasn't until COVID did something actually come of it. I think it was one of the many reasons why the COVID response was so terrible.
theyeshman@reddit
H1N1/swine flu has had genuinely horrible outbreaks. The Spanish Flu outbreak is one of the deadliest pandemics in history and was H1N1. The 2009 outbreak also killed tens of thousands worldwide despite the massive global response to it. That shit was nasty, the sickest I've ever been was when I got it in 2010, I had to fight to breathe and I was an in-shape young adult at the time.
SippyTurtle@reddit
I'm not saying they're not bad diseases. Ebola makes you bleed out of every orifice. I'm saying that the media picks a disease and plays up them up as world ending catastrophes. For example, one time they did Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) which has a death rate of like 33%. There have been less than a thousand deaths from it since 2012. The constant barrage of fear tactics leads people to be numb so when we actually do get a swine flu or COVID, people don't take it seriously until it's too late, or worse, never.
theyeshman@reddit
I think I muddied my point by talking about my own experience with it -- I just mean to say swine flu doesn't belong on a list of diseases that are blown out of proportion/not a big deal on a global scale.
SippyTurtle@reddit
That's fine and agree on retrospect, I was just listing off the first media disease raves I could think of.
LouiseRules333@reddit
Honestly I also think people still haven't recovered from how confusing and exhausting that whole entire situation was. It felt like every single day there was something new to worry about, and I think it makes people feel like stuff that is genuinely a big deal amd serious is just another "killer bees" situation.
Arctic_Chilean@reddit
Yep. IMO people are sleeping on the real dangers: Bird Flu, and anti-biotic resistant bacterias like Tuberculosis and Staphylococcus.
cortez_brosefski@reddit
Antibiotic resistant bacteria is the real thing people should be shitting themselves about
waffleking9000@reddit
This. We’re on the precipice of living in a world without functioning antibiotics…..
waffleking9000@reddit
Probably because it’s the only hantavirus strain that can jump from rats to humans and spread via aerosolization.
It will not turn into another pandemic however
OXBDNE7331@reddit
Well this time it wasn’t some South Americans that live near bat caves that got it. It was white Americans/eurocringes that regardedly got infected and then went to the two places that are known for being superspreader locations; cruise ships and airports
lllGrapeApelll@reddit
I get it nobody wants to be stuck on a boat or held in a quarantine zone but if there is any suspicion of a mutation increasing the possibility the disease can spread more easily human to human officials should have kept those people out of the general public.
Passing_Neutrino@reddit
Once they found out they did. People just left the ship before anyone knew it was hantavirus
Wrangel_5989@reddit
The problem is that after it was figured out Spain let them get off anyways when it wasn’t even one of the stops.
forestalelven@reddit
Iirc they got off the boat straight into military plains, and sent to their own countries. How each country is handling the quarantine, that's stupid. UK says homebound for 40 days, Spain said at some point "no need for quarantine". Idk why was it so hard to keep everyone inside the boat for 40 days and just deliver supplies.
juasjuasie@reddit
Yeah, in their defense tho international law is very inadequate for cases like this and preventing people to return to their home nations has always been a source of diplomatic bickering.
OXBDNE7331@reddit
I think as of now they have been and are mostly being quarantined at some hospital in Nebraska. But that’s after the fucked about in airports and public for two weeks first
Conscious_Hyena_7882@reddit
Anti white much?
Krock011@reddit
It's one of the only variants that transmits human to human, and it's not happening to third worlders so it's suddenly important.
TenderTakodachi@reddit
So was covid 19 🙄
Radical-Efilist@reddit
No, it isn't "similar to something else" like COVID or even a new strain. The virus is virtually the same as it was when found in 1996 and 2018.
aChileanDude@reddit
you doofus.
TenderTakodachi@reddit
19 what? Moron.
aChileanDude@reddit
COVID-19 was the disease and symptoms onset caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Why "19"?
BECAUSE IT WAS A NEW VIRUS STRAIN found in 2019.
SARS-Cov-1 was found in 2002 .
Human Coronaviruses were found to appear in 1899.
aj_thenoob2@reddit
Because of the origin: idiot tourists that visited a landfill in a 3rd world country, or on a cruise which are notorious for disease, who then are somehow allowed to fly to multiple other countries infecting other people, etc etc
Riipp3r@reddit
Especially considering how person to person transmission is rare.
TraumaPerformer@reddit
Where are all these viruses coming from anyway? Theres some resident evil shit going on I swear.
andreslucer0@reddit
Never before in the history of Earth had there been billions of people in such proximity to billions of cows, billions of pigs and billions of chicken.
Add to that the deterioration of our immune systems, the looming threat of antibiotic-resistant diseases, worsening education across the world, and worsening conditions for the fair and few who dedicate their lives to combating these monstrous pathogens.
Smurtle1@reddit
While it might seem like education is getting worse since the internet enables stupid people to share there messages, and be swayed, education is only getting better, and has been since like forever. As for our immune system, probably yeah. But our massively increased education and intelligence far outweighs a somewhat lower immune system due to lifestyle choices.
If you look at just the US, sure, it’s slightly cooked when it comes to outbreaks, but the US is NOT your average nation, it’s far from it.
All these new viruses CANT be antibiotic immune, cus antibiotics don’t really work on viruses in the first place! Bacteria are much less scary overall compared to viruses for that fact, and cus they aren’t as easily transmitted (generally.) the biggest place that bacteria become resistant is in hospitals, where it’s easy pickings for them.
It just seems like you are doommaxing really hard…
andreslucer0@reddit
He asked for an explanation, I gave him an explanation. Could be much worse.
Unfortunately, friend, education is getting worse. Or rather, our minds are getting duller. IQ across developed nations has been going down for about two decades. This was before the episodes of mass migration of the mid 2010s, so the chuds can't handwave it away either, as they do most problems.
LadyBut@reddit
Huh? IQ scores have been rising ~3 points per decade on average
JustChillin3456@reddit
Also yknow, diseases like covid being made in a lab
metal079@reddit
Schizo moment
JustChillin3456@reddit
“You think a cartoonishly evil goverment would make a bio weapon ? Heh you must be a schizo 🤓”
KhalasSword@reddit
Every single government is cartoonishly evil, what are you talking about.
JustChillin3456@reddit
Oh my bad I didn’t realize Norway’s government is literally the same as Russias or North Koreas 🤪
KhalasSword@reddit
I didn't day that they are the same, I said that they are evil, no such thing as a good country or a bad country, all governments care about their own wellbeing first, and only then the people.
A lot of hostile governments exist, why would only one of them make a virus? If they did, why does it work on their own country? Why do you think that such a virus is manmade, why didn't it for example kill every single host?
Your answer just leaves more questions then it answers.
JustChillin3456@reddit
“No such thing as a good or bad country” dude wtf are you even talking about ??
Yes I can clearly point to a country take spends billions on foreign aid / takes in refugees and say it’s a good country
And point to a country that commits genocide and say it’s clearly a bad country 🤦🏻♂️
A disease being made in a lab has happened. I’m not implying covid itself was used as terrorism just that it was made by humans. This is really not hard to fathom
KhalasSword@reddit
Many billionares donate to charity, does that make them good? It's not as simple as that.
Norway has also participated in numerous military NATO operations.
Weren't you the one saying that China is "cartoonishly evil" country, and now you're implying that it is an accident?
JustChillin3456@reddit
Are you implying NATO is evil ?
I’ll explain this very simply
China is authortarian regime that doesn’t care about human rights. That has had government programs designed solely to create bio weapons
Covid might not have been a bio weapon but it was made in a lab
Understand ?
KhalasSword@reddit
I am not implying it, I'm saying it, there are several NATO military operations I would consider evil.
Every single superpower dangled in bioweapons, Soviet Union, China, US, latter one even used Agent Orange in Vietnam.
You're backing down from your previous point to a more reasonable one, you implied that evil country was making evil things in a lab, and now it is simply an accident.
Most countries don't care about human rights, even in Europe, UK is probably the most prominent example.
JustChillin3456@reddit
So are all nations equally evil why should I care about Russias invasion of Ukraine ? Or Israel’s war crimes against Palestine ?
“You’re backing down” lol no I’m elaborating. I said they were messing around with Covid in a lab to potentially do something evil (which they’ve done before you even acknowledged this)
KhalasSword@reddit
Because nations, countries, governments, don't matter, people do, you don't have to support Ukraine, Palestine, US, or whatever to dislike that people die.
JustChillin3456@reddit
What is nation/ country other than its people ?
KhalasSword@reddit
Country is a word on a map that has borders, it has a government and people live in it.
Just because people live in a country, doesn't mean that it is ruled by the people, as can be seen with... Almost every country you see right now.
JustChillin3456@reddit
What is the difference between Japan and India ? Is it just the borders / geography ? Or is it the culture of the people within the border ? 🤔
KhalasSword@reddit
According to Marx, it's economy and geography, like for example you mentioned Norway a while ago, it is a very fortunate country, because it possessed energy that made it rich during industrial age, this success was carried over when they discovered oil in WW2-Cold War, and now they have an investement fund.
Imperialism also defines a country, a stronger country will impose their will on a weaker country, thus changing both countries.
JustChillin3456@reddit
Marx the deadbeat father who refused to work ? Are you aware of how rich Africa's resources are ? How rich their soil is ?
Imperialism can be good
KhalasSword@reddit
Marx worked as a journalist, his occupation has no effect on his analysis.
Africa has a lot of resources they can't develop because they've been fucked over previously, you need technology and something to start out, they have neither.
Tell me how Imperialism was good.
JustChillin3456@reddit
His occupation is why he let his child starve to death. The way he treats his own family shows the kind of evil/ immoral man he his
Singapore was colonized and now they’re prospering as a nation. Africa had something no other continent had. Time
Imperialism leads to diversity and global human rights
KhalasSword@reddit
Again, his personal failings have absolutely nothing to do with his historical analysis, just because someone did something evil doesn't mean that we have to absolutely discard his work, this just makes you look infantile, if you disagree, then go ahead and dismantle the whole space program for the entire world.
Look at whole Middle East, India, China, Cambodia, Korea, South America, Central America, whole of Africa especially South Africa, Lybia and Sudan, how are "global human rights" working out for them?
I also see how diversity is working out, let's ask LGBT people living in Iran how it is working out for them, they are regious fanatics? (oh I wonder why) What about Russia? We can look at what US is doing too, still to far? Let's see how even government of Germany is treating people who march for Palestine, or how other governments treat Ukrainian refugees.
I have no intent to continue this dialogue, you are naively ignorant.
JustChillin3456@reddit
Historical analysis ? How about the financial / political reality of communism being a failed ideology 😂 that alone makes his works TRASH
South korea only exists because of the US getting involved in a war it didn’t need to, and it seems like those other countries suffer from LACK of western imperialism 😉
Is your argument that diversity is a failed experiment that doesn’t work? Because you’re making a VERY good argument against it
People like you can’t have dialogue if they tried. All you can do is cope
KhalasSword@reddit
You are correct, I can't have a dialogue like this, it is difficult to talk with a naive ignorant hypocrite who has no idea what I'm even talking about, I hope you will find joy when your government bombs hunderds of people in the Middle East for a millionth time (it's good for their human rights actshually).
JustChillin3456@reddit
Ironic 🤭
I find joy in how it triggers you
KhalasSword@reddit
"I find joy in seeing you dislike that people die", and what does that make you?
JustChillin3456@reddit
Innocent people died when we fought the Nazis
Was that also a mistake ?
KhalasSword@reddit
Russia says that it is fighting nazis now, so you agree with their war in Ukraine?
JustChillin3456@reddit
Holy disingenuous 💀
America fought literal Nazis. Russian propaganda is NOT reality
Under US occupation Afghani women could go to school / had human rights. If you think the cost of innocent life isn’t worth the fighting for the freedom of foreigners then I agree with you
94_stones@reddit
Presumably exactly that, given that the single best piece evidence we have for the lab leak theory suggests Sino-American cooperation. Unlike u/JustChillin3456 I don’t think it was a bio weapon, just a science experiment gone seriously awry. But given the shear amount of damage that “experiment” caused I can’t exactly blame people for thinking it was deliberate. It is human nature to attribute accidents of great magnitude to malice.
JustChillin3456@reddit
I’m not saying covid itself was a bio weapon
I’m saying they did in fact had a bio weapon program during the Cold War/ would do it again if left unchecked
Uniquely-Bee@reddit
What the fuck did Iceland ever do to you?
KhalasSword@reddit
Iceland kind of blackmailed UK during the Cod wars.
Faust_the_Faustinian@reddit
Deserved, the North Sea belongs to them.
5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi@reddit
Bio-weapons are pretty shit if they have the mortality of a bad flu, are so infectious they easily escape ground zero and infect your own people as quickly as the enemy's
JustChillin3456@reddit
It’s almost like testing is how you get the perfect bio weapon.
Covid wasn’t the bio weapon. It was a test that escaped
Kinda how China messed around with anthrax during the Cold War
DorisStockwellDay@reddit
Not even schizo. There is no consensus on its origins, and even the natural slipover side still see the lab leak as plausible.
andreslucer0@reddit
I will make a guess and assume you are American.
JustChillin3456@reddit
No I’m Chinese , my government has never done anything wrong
Like engage In eugenics or arrest covid whistleblowers
godlyjacob@reddit
is that a real thing?
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
No.
Champomi@reddit
Also people used to simply die without anyone knowing the specific cause. You could tell someone had a fever or couldn't breathe properly but you didn't know what caused that or how it could be treated. Before vaccines and modern medicine were invented half of the children didn't make it past 10
RymrgandsDaughter@reddit
there absolutely is
Irishfan117@reddit
Americans I swear
JustChillin3456@reddit
Reddit moment
Uniquely-Bee@reddit
Right, the antichrist supposedly was to be competent and attractive, what we got is more like the King of the subhumans
lunacraz@reddit
say what you want, but unfortunately he is very charismatic
gkdlswm5@reddit
Doesn't seem the be working among intellectuals.
This 'charism' only seems to work on the trailer trash types, that's telling.
lunacraz@reddit
well good thing the majority of voting public are intellectuals, right?
gkdlswm5@reddit
I didn't say it was good nor bad.
I'm just pointing out something.
TheRicFlairDrip@reddit
Contradicts with what you say earlier
gkdlswm5@reddit
How did it contradict what I said.
LouiseRules333@reddit
Touche
SoupaMayo@reddit
He is what now
UnconfirmedRooster@reddit
For the sort of person who like that sort of thing, he's the sort of thing those people like.
Let me put it this way: he's a poor man's idea of rich and an idiot's idea of intelligence.
Dubstepic@reddit
HE GOT THE RIZZ
Uniquely-Bee@reddit
He is charismatic, to subhumans. Evolved people are disgusted by him, even all the old school neocons with a triple digit IQ were and still hate him, but have no choice but to fall in line because the hordes of shit smeared savages that voted for him just outnumber them so greatly
joshua-howard@reddit
Orange man…… LE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edit: thanks for the updoots fine gentleman of Reddit! Rest assured, 10% will be going to BLM ✊🏿
anti-gerbil@reddit
Why is he not le bad?
Uniquely-Bee@reddit
Pedophilia.... LE GOOD ACKSHULLY
Edit: Thanks for the crypto, frens, gonna need that for my loli porn seeding server 😎
thecheapseatz@reddit
"charming, competent and attractive" when you have access to a lot of money those things don't matter
Uniquely-Bee@reddit
Now imagine if you had loads of money and also weren't a paedophilic sack of retаrdеd shit
SeaSquirrel@reddit
Cope and seethe
JustChillin3456@reddit
Rent free 🤭
thestraightCDer@reddit
So...lame
JustChillin3456@reddit
I agree it’s lame costly seeing Americans and orange man get mentioned in literally every single thread
LouiseRules333@reddit
Overprivileged white guy who doesn't understand saying "I don't care about current events" is a privilege or middle eastern guy with internalized racism, call it
SleepingPodOne@reddit
I need to change my PFP because of you
JustChillin3456@reddit
Its blank tho
SleepingPodOne@reddit
Yea I removed it
PerterterhTermertehh@reddit
top 1% commenter
creeper6530@reddit
Golden calf must've been the final straw
Administrative-Log70@reddit
Many such cases
Lord_Zeffree@reddit
See? We are most important
JeffafaCree@reddit
Anti-God's chosen people
General_Ric@reddit
That would be the Jews, never seen god hate a group of people so much throughout history
medney@reddit
God's chosen people to absolutely abuse holy fuck
LouiseRules333@reddit
Mexican Moses, it's your time to rise up brosiris
tripsafe@reddit
Such a Reddit non-answer holy shit
SagaSolejma@reddit
It's obviously a joke lol
no_hot_ashes@reddit
Two things can be true
The_Daily_Herp@reddit
JPowTheDayTrader@reddit
America is merely a vassal state to the real evil, Israel. Do you think Trump was elected without help from Israel? Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-American billionaire, gave hundreds of millions to Trump.
fluffynuckels@reddit
Well there was bird flu and swine flu during Obamas time in office
SilliusS0ddus@reddit
He was in office 8 years and Jesus ain't back yet.
Wasn't him
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Is in french?
So is more like the flavour of the elected macaroon is chaos and death.
crunkful06@reddit
I’m curious to see what 7 plagues we’ve experienced so far.
ShitMcClit@reddit
This was going on long before that
Gallusaur@reddit
Bro brings up America to criticize Americans for always bringing up America.
Hawaiian555@reddit
Two boomers were bird watching on a trash pile and came in contact with rodent droppings. Wish I was joking.
IM_INSIDE_YOUR_HOUSE@reddit
Hantavirus is not new.
c1n1c_@reddit
I believe it's one of the many consequences of global warming
HelpMeGetAGoodName@reddit
I think there has always been viruses like Hanta going around, usually they don't get too much attention. It is just that everyone is a lot more sensitive to these things since Covid, which makes us feel like there is alot more viruses going around.
Thelmholtz@reddit
There hasn't been a case of hanta virus in Ushuaia since 1996, and infections usually happen in unvented granaries or mountain refugees during the flowering season of the Colihue cane.
It's pretty odd no matter how you look at it, that cruise ship tourists, who are usually not into mountaineering or rural exploration would get it, and the timeline doesn't fit very well.
They could have gotten it in another Patagonian Port either side of the Andes, but it's still pretty odd that it would appear on a cruise of all places.
Anyhow Hanta is very well known in Argentina and Chile and I recall seeing advises in every national park about proper venting / avoiding refugees that look abandoned or have signs or being inhabited by mice.
vjmdhzgr@reddit
They didn't say Hantavirus outbreaks have always been happening. "Viruses like Hanta going around"
There were some big disease outbreaks I remember when I was younger. A bird flu and an ebola that a lot of people got worried about though barely ended up reaching anybody in the US.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Ebola reached 4 people in the US in 2014-ish
Since Ebola is one of those “HOLY FUCKING SHIT” viruses the CDC pounced on that really quick
assasin1598@reddit
Are people not remembering the aids outbreak?
Or zika virus?
Radical-Efilist@reddit
Patient Zero was into birdwatching and had been on a roadtrip through South America for months. It makes perfect sense that he got it. And if anything Ushuaia is an unlikely source, because that's a place where tourists often go (hence we should've seen it earlier or with more people).
The fact that ONE person developed symptoms weeks before anyone else, including his wife, seems to me like he went off doing something dicey. Since it can be anywhere from 2 to 7 weeks before he boarded the ship, and both are dead, we're probably not going to track down a specific source unless he wrote a traveling log.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
He was birdwatching in a garbage dump landfill
Birds and rats go through human trash thinking “oh hey free food!”
aVarangian@reddit
(*refuges)
SapirWhorfHypothesis@reddit
Fuck, thank you! I was struggling with the fact that this was somehow a refugee disease…
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Yeah, hantaviruses were first found in 1978, and the Andes hantavirus (this particular strain/species) was found in 1995
Cruise ships are like disease Petri dishes
Get one on there and the virus looks at people like an all you can eat buffet
Speaking of which, thanks to everyone handling utensils and being close together the virus spread a lot as the boomers were eating at the all you can eat buffet on that cruise ship
fluffynuckels@reddit
Yeah every few years theres some viral out break on a cruise ship
thattjuliett@reddit
Just in 2025 there were 23 outbreaks
Fun1k@reddit
It's because anons on pol try to grasp onto anything so they can doomsay and blame vaccines.
Alien_Cha1r@reddit
Control the masses. Check how much people will simply follow the authorities without questioning. Turn people into cattle, tale as old as time
jorpw@reddit
Yes because its profitable as hell for whoever is controlling the masses to have a worldwide shutdown
Alien_Cha1r@reddit
of course it would be. if it was planned, people divest and then reinvest after the crash. that is why trump invaded iran
TraumaPerformer@reddit
-7 downvotes in 3 mins…? You may just be onto something!
I9w0s@reddit
Free speech is more important. if the downvote upvote system on reddit were to disappear, this place would be a lot more different.
TraumaPerformer@reddit
It will disappear.
It vanished on YouTube and nobody remembers that anymore, it’s just normal now.
Disapproval will not be allowed in the Utopia. Positive vibes only.
savefromnet@reddit
Yes but no. I think this virus is all some hubbub but not everything is a hoax.
matt-kennedys-legs@reddit
source: gay
Ok_Field_5701@reddit
Take your meds
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
Take mine too, y'all need extras.
BannedfromFrontPage@reddit
This is the importance of functional public health institutions built on science and not politics.
People love to cite how the CDC gave improper recommendations for COVID when it first hit, but they were responding to a newly developing situation and corrected their recommendations as they received additional data. And, they were fought along the way by GOP leadership at various levels of government capitalizing on populist politics to demonize efforts to protect the public.
We have the data now to show that masks, social distancing, and lockdowns were effective at reducing spread of the disease and, most importantly, load on hospitals. And, the vaccine has been effective and safe.
Please pay attention to what WHO says and listen to the *consensus* amongst epidemiologists (not just fringe dipshits on TilTok or trust me bro sources). For those in the US, the CDC will most likely give sound guidance, but I am deeply disturbed by how compromised they are in appeasing the Trump administration. Besides, the CDC is so understaffed they will likely not be able to effectively trace this virus at the speed needed to manage outbreaks.
karateema@reddit
An idiot went birdwatching in a giant dump in Ushuaia without a mask and breathed fecal matter from the rats
Aimin4ya@reddit
hanT-virus confirmed
TraumaPerformer@reddit
I want to be Leon!
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
Back in The Good Ol Days^tm these virused would kill of an isolated village, and spread nowhere. But now a days these villages aren't so isolated.
Jujumofu@reddit
Gaddafi was literally talking about this in 2009. Not saying its true what he said, but its still odd.
Haggis442312@reddit
And there’s a virologist report from 2007 which stated that the number of Coronaviruses in Wuhan combined with the local penchant for eating exotic animals was a ticking time bomb.
It being made in a lab is plausible, sure, but so is someone getting it from fucking a bat. I wouldn’t put it past the Chinese government, but so far it’s nothing more than a conspiracy theory.
Radical-Efilist@reddit
In 2002 we had the SARS epidemic from completely out of left field, and early investigations revealed that SARS-type viruses were commonplace. By 2007, ample evidence had been collected to say that SARS-type viruses were naturally occurring in the bats of Southern China and Southeast Asia.
And the high infectivity without countermeasures (R=2.5-3) plus relatively wide international spread made it a naturally very concerning prospect that SARS could come back. And naturally Wuhan is in the middle of several locations implicated in the evolution of SARS.
94_stones@reddit
Gain of function research requires no malice, and neither does it going seriously awry. All the latter requires is incompetence, negligence, bad luck, or all three.
noodlethejedi@reddit
There was a Hantavirus outbreak in my country back in like 2018/2019
Zesty-Lem0n@reddit
Apparently it's been around for like thousands of years all across East Asia and reaching across Siberia. Chubbyemu did a video on it the other day. There might be American strains as well, I forget all the details.
aVarangian@reddit
apparently this one came from tourists birdwatching at a garbage dump
Wrangel_5989@reddit
Andes virus has existed for a while but it’s been geographically isolated. Apparently patient zero for this outbreak was an ornithologist that was visiting landfills to watch birds in Argentina before boarding the ship and that’s likely where he got infected.
awesomea04@reddit
This one was caught after two such people went to an Argentinian landfill to go birdwatching. They then went back on their cruise and the rest is history.
94_stones@reddit
They literally just exist, and they always have. I mean seriously, Republicans wonder why we were funding that very sketchy bio-research in Wuhan. They can’t figure it out. They make up all these elaborate theories about why the US and China were collaborating, suspecting a Sino-American bio-weapons program, even going as to stomach the thought of the Dear Leader condoning it.
But it’s really not that complicated. There are at least a hundred of these “zoonotic viral diseases” and each one has the potential of turning into the next Ebola, or the next HIV, or something worse. In previous decades, and especially after the West African Ebola epidemic, it was considered imperative to stay on top of those viruses, and thoroughly research them. If you think this is all very darkly ironic considering where COVID allegedly came from, I don’t blame you. But if you had any interest whatsoever in survivalism or post-apocalyptic stuff prior to COVID, then you know very well that the fear of pandemic was always on people’s minds. If you never really knew why, well then that was a you problem. The internet was not a new thing in 2019.
NighthawK1911@reddit
You know how in Plague Inc, you only ever get the infectious evolutions, then by the end when you already infected everybody you get Coma and Total Organ Failure and then everybody dies?
It's basically like that. Viruses that can stealth like that is OP AF.
LurkersUniteAgain@reddit
it really isnt, hantavirus has one strain that can transfer human to human and its still not very contagious
AgroMachine@reddit
Wait till they have enough xp points to upgrade the plane and boat travel
canigetawoop_woop@reddit
Im moving to Madagascar Immediately
kentaxas@reddit
I'm picking Iceland
Faust_the_Faustinian@reddit
Greenland my beloved
TheCommissarGeneral@reddit
Nah fuck y’all, New Zealand is where it’s at.
gilesdavis@reddit
You just wanna be with all the other sheep fuckers 🤷
Coloss260@reddit
Philippines will be my choice
KaiserRoll823@reddit
I'll be heading to the Caribbean
RatioTechnical234@reddit
Israel it is
MiniGogo_20@reddit
man, the amount of times i've sold after seeinf that red bubble pop up on Greenland... just for Caribbean to be completely uninfected...
GuerillaGandhi@reddit
I'm going with Little St. James.
Alex-E-Jones@reddit
Baal knowledge
ImightHaveMissed@reddit
All those rich folk you’d be among the body count
unevenvenue@reddit
The actual correct choice - cold enough to help prevent contagion, nice enough to enjoy some parts of the year, big enough to not have to talk to other humans
pokemon32666@reddit
I've never had a problem with Iceland, they have a boat and airport. Madagascar, Greenland, New Zealand, or the Philippines are my choices.
AusTF-Dino@reddit
The Philippines????
fatman907@reddit
India.
drgoatlord@reddit
Thats why I start there. Once its off the Island the game begins.
Admiral347@reddit
Madagascar has like 75% of the world’s bubonic plague cases every year, hard pass.
beaverpoo77@reddit
Mf you're gonna be the red boat who infects Madagascar
canigetawoop_woop@reddit
Call me the buzzer beater
boozewald@reddit
You know, the reason Madagascar shuts down so quick is because they have a ton of experience with their own infectious diseases.
Qulpaksad@reddit
They shut down to prevent AIDS getting out of the island
Nadiadain@reddit
Maybe they shouldn’t of clapped curious George’s cheeks
Qulpaksad@reddit
He was curious and I had some answers for him
Secure_Narwhal4045@reddit
Going to plague-country to flee hantavirus sounds very American
Xardnas69@reddit
Clearly you've never played plague inc
Secure_Narwhal4045@reddit
Im just capable of multiple thoughts. Single core processing is pretty outdated in the non-autistic community
Alx941126@reddit
NGL but that comment of yours makes me think the opposite for you.
Secure_Narwhal4045@reddit
Im that good
BOwOcket@reddit
Well they already have boat travel
hphp123@reddit
they just did, it was staying in villages it stsrted in in previous outbreaks, now it got to ship and planes
Volstadd@reddit
If you aren't getting into New Zealand, Madagasgar, and Greenland early you're cooked.
gbuub@reddit
It always has the boat travel trait
Guardiancomplex@reddit
So far.
shadowscar248@reddit
Don't you remember how viruses work via COVID? The first COVID strain was deadly and had hard symptoms but didn't spread as fast due to this. Once it started mutating it's lethality went down and the symptoms became less intense so it spread more easily. Now it's not a big deal due to this.
We might see the same thing with this virus. Right now it's very deadly so it doesn't get a good chance to spread. As it mutates the strains that survive and spread further will most likely be the ones that people can tolerate and walk around in public with for maximum spread.
CaraMellowGirl@reddit
That is exactly what their comment implied though?
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Sometimes, but that’s not a guaranteed trend
Smallpox was pretty consistent of having a 1 in 3 mortality rate. Good thing it was eradicated >!for now!<
Radical-Efilist@reddit
That's not actually true. COVID is infectious from 3-4 days before symptoms to 5-10 days after symptoms. The average COVID death occurred at around 20 days after symptoms. Whether or not you die after the virus is done using you is irrelevant to infectiousness, and having more severe symptoms doesn't matter if you reach peak infectivity before symptoms.
In fact, COVID actually got worse - the 2021 Delta variant was associated with a significant increase in hospitalizations and mortality in people without acquired immunity while also spreading faster. The reason this wasn't "felt" as much is because a lot of people already had immunity from vaccination or prior infection. Most other 2021 strains were also slightly worse.
The ONLY time this happened with COVID was the mutation of the Omicron lineage, which shifted the infection site towards the upper respiratory tract and hence improved both infectivity and reduced mortality. It was a fluke, not natural law or biologic necessity.
It also isn't the only time viruses evolve to be more deadly as an outbreak progresses - the Spanish Flu started out as being a moderately dangerous disease, but ended up becoming exceptionally deadly in the second and third waves.
ArchmageIlmryn@reddit
With Covid that was kind of incidental though. The strain that was less deadly and spread faster tended to be shallower in the respiratory system, meaning that it was less dangerous to the host but also easier to cough out at others.
Kagawa_@reddit
How long would that take?
Milsurp_Seeker@reddit
3 day military operation.
Xardnas69@reddit
Couple months to a couple years
zack189@reddit
after another 3 months of lockdowns probably
The__Goose@reddit
Just 2 weeks
Uniquely-Bee@reddit
That isn't necessarily what will happen, viruses have different 'reproductive strategies', like all life forms. The rabies virus is 100% lethal and it hasn't burned itself out.
It's random mutation, so this virus can just evolve into extending its incubation period without reducing its lethality. I guess soyientists that know their shit about genetics are studying how it may evolve right now
TheOnlyBliebervik@reddit
Can you please stop it with the mental easing?
davishox@reddit
We have had hantavirus for years in Chile and never been that much of a deterrent for people to go camping. Just clean after yourself and you’re fine
No_Mammoth_4945@reddit
The issue is that the incubation period is so long. So far at least it’s believed that they’re only infectious once they become symptomatic, and since it gets very severe very quickly, it’s a non-issue. Like Ebola. But if it can be transmitted BEFORE symptoms show up, or if it evolves to do that, we’ve got a big problem. The good news is that the initial pool of infected is so small that the probability of that specific mutation occurring and then spreading is very low
aliie_627@reddit
Yeah I just saw that it's only 11 people that are quarantined. Im not clear how many were on the ship but that doesn't seem like that many. I was under the impression it was a large amount of people.
_Pin_6938@reddit
u/grok what is the name of the strain? Where and when was it discovered? Is it currently researched? Have all infected of the strain been put on quarantine? What was the origin of the strain? Whats ite lethality and impact?
tmos540@reddit
You also can't transmit hanta asymptomatically.
wafflepiezz@reddit
It is still spread through physical contact. And a lot of people have a lot of physical contact. Think of a shoulder bump, someone grazes your hand, etc.
This shit is scary.
shadowscar00@reddit
Because viruses never rapidly mutate ever…
Tactical_Moonstone@reddit
This strain has been known and tracked for a while. Latest virus samples have not seen much mutation since the last outbreak back in 2018.
shadowscar00@reddit
I haven’t shit since Saturday but the weekend gap doesn’t mean I’m not gonna shit in the next hour. I haven’t gotten into an accident but that doesn’t mean that I can’t get t-boned next week.
Just because something hasn’t occurred in a long time does not make it incapable of occurring. The likelihood of mutation is low, but we’re also aware of how these viruses can rapidly mutate if given half the opportunity, and right now the USA doesnt have the best track record for containing viruses.
Tactical_Moonstone@reddit
Genetic stability can be quantified. This strain has been known for the last 30 years and the whole world has scientists tracking and logging its genome. Not just the USA.
DarthVeigar_@reddit
Hantaviruses aren't very mutable especially not to the extent of coronaviruses or influenza virus. They're considered very stable viruses.
Wrangel_5989@reddit
Well apparently this is Andes virus but this is clearly way more infectious than it should be. Normally you have to be in very close and prolonged contact with the carrier.
Hexmonkey2020@reddit
That was their point, hanta isnt op cause they got death symptoms early ignoring contagions.
Me-no-Weeb@reddit
I thought it couldn’t transfer human to human?
LurkersUniteAgain@reddit
Normal hantavirus cant, but one andes strain of it has been found to be able to do so with great difficulty
Ck_shock@reddit
Yeaj most of this shit about it is just fear mongering off of whatever happened with covid.
DangyDanger@reddit
This just made me realize that unless Plague Inc. is on a space station, they likely killed everyone including themselves.
UnregularOnlineUser@reddit
You're assuming the player is human
IrregularrAF@reddit
The problem with plague inc is every virus evolves at the same time in their host, new evolutions have to actually reach you in real life.
Aeescobar@reddit
Would honestly be kinda neat if Plague Inc added an optional challenge where upgrades weren't retroactive and instead only applied to newly-infected people (with the small possibility for previous victims to become re-infected if the plague has undergone sufficient changes), it would discourage the typical "infect everyone with a mild cold and then magically transform it into the deadliest plague in history" tactics and encourage people to actually balance their infection rates with their casualty rates.
ThirstyWolfSpider@reddit
Even then it would be absurdly overpowered when compared to reality, as new features would initially only affect where they appear, rather than applying globally (even to just new infections) and also compete with other strains of the virus.
But it is a game, with extraordinarily strict goals (every human must die), so the player will need to be rather overpowered as compared to reality for there to be a good chance of winning.
Uberbobo7@reddit
It'd be a pretty annoying game if you could never actually win because in reality no one ever goes to or from North Sentinel Island.
xThunderDuckx@reddit
Insane how this collective cognitive dissonance has spread. Can't believe I didn't consider it, though it is fascinating how widespread and engrained plague inc is in many's minds.
Zerkron@reddit
Another uneducated man falls victim to fear-mongering 🥱
FireballPlayer0@reddit
That’s the thing though. I never understood how people translate that to real life.
Viruses aren’t a union that meet once a year in Geneva to decide how they’ll look and act for the year. If one mutates to be deadly, only that one is, as long as it infects others.
Regular-Cup9528@reddit
I’d always imagined that you unlocking new stuff with the biological diseases is just basically determining for how long you set the incubation time for that particular symptom. It’s far from a watertight head cannon but at least it’s better than having every single virus gathering at some secret meeting to update their genes.
No_Location_8199@reddit
☝️🤓 Um, you seem to be implying that Coma kills a lot of people, but it actually has very low lethality. The purpose of this symptom is to significantly slow cure research.
CorbinNZ@reddit
Only way I play
ThatOneGuyIn1939@reddit
yup
that said if your transmission rates are too low and symptoms are too severe, scientists will discover your disease early and get to work (also reasonable people will probably wash their hands more often and wear masks if they have to go out while sick)
anyway, for what it's worth, the WHO's saying that the virus isn't particularly transmissible
Radical-Efilist@reddit
It really isn't. Andesvirus is only infectious during symptoms with close contact, and untreated people just fucking die within days of developing them, limiting the spread of disease.
officer_shnitzel_69@reddit
Arcasiel@reddit
If more than a half of people gets infected with a virus, everyone will live.
nEwBiEKC@reddit
Nothing ever happens
sealpox@reddit
Except for that one time in 2020 but we don’t talk about that
OpenStuff@reddit
This is a good thing for the people that dont have it. Since its period that is it infectious is after when the symptoms start to show, and we know everyone who had contact with it, it should be controlled/resolved within the next month
Discoverthemind@reddit
Because we're kinda done with plauge fear
94_stones@reddit
Because Hantavirus is only contagious after the onset of symptoms, which like the OOP said is usually quite rapid. This is very different from COVID which was contagious all throughout its incubation period, and even in asymptotic people.
alasw0eisme@reddit
Do we know this for sure now? Last time I read about the subject, I couldn't find definite data. If it really was contagious the whole time, I get the feeling a lot more damage would have been done.
94_stones@reddit
This hantavirus is native to South America. The MV Hondius (which is very small as far as cruise ships go) departed Ushuaia on April 1st. Most of the passengers didn’t disembark until well over a month later. If this disease was anywhere even remotely close to as contagious as COVID, the death toll would be a lot higher than 5. On this basis I trust the reports I have seen describing when this particular disease is contagious.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
They are mostly going off of the assumption that it is similar to previous Andes Hantavirus outbreaks since their genomes match (I remember someone reporting it was over a 99% match, I’ll try to find the source soon)
It’s not really known for sure yet how contagious it is, and it might not be until two months from now since that is the longest time until symptoms that is know
masterxc@reddit
This. Covid also rarely killed in comparison (2% death rate versus over 40% for hantavirus). You can't get this just by being in the same room as an infected person as healthcare workers caring for hantavirus patients have not contracted it without needing clean suits and all that like during covid.
reimannk@reddit
just to clarify, the 2% infection fatality rate with covid is off by an order of magnitude.
aChileanDude@reddit
Also, 2% is 2 every 100.
Easy?
what about 200 of every 10000 people? That's enough to fill up most morgues.
And just talking about dead people, ignoring all the hundreds that need medical attention.
masterxc@reddit
What made COVID dangerous and a pandemic was the ease of spread by proximity and the infection itself allowed it to spread further, plus we didn't know much about it at the time as a novel virus, while hantavirus has been known about for decades. It also had a low fatality rate so those infected could spread it easier while hantavirus's high mortality rate will make it "burn out" faster.
While yes even COVID deaths were too much, a pandemic with a high lethality rate virus is practically unheard of with modern day intervention.
FalseDrive@reddit
In the early days, I believe COVID had a much higher mortality rate because of lack of immunity, no vaccines, and lack of mutations which later brought the fatality rate of the virus down to ~2%. I think the original fatality rate was around 15%, especially before it came overseas, if I’m not mistaken. “Too much” is a light way of putting “there were refrigerated trucks in the streets of New York because the morgues were too full of bodies.”
masterxc@reddit
I never said that or said anyone was overreacting with COVID, so your soapbox was unnecessary.
It was a novel virus we had no idea how to treat. This is not the case with hantavirus. It's really that simple.
FalseDrive@reddit
Soapbox wasn’t necessarily directed at you. I just wanted an excuse to stand on it. Lol
Not saying hantavirus doesn’t have a much much higher fatality rate, but it’s far less likely to infect millions of people. Not just because of existing medical technology but also because it’s not contagious until symptom onset, and even then you have to be in very close contact for a prolonged period of time
shitass239@reddit
Source for the statistics? I'd like to read more about covid, I had no idea it's mortality rate was that low.
masterxc@reddit
CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/state-stats/deaths/covid19.html
Also: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
It varied worldwide depending on response and local infrastructure. What made COVID bad too was the run on hospitals and clinics which stressed the system worldwide, causing a lot of other problems.
With hantavirus, you're asymptomatic then basically just drop dead. It's morbid, but unlikely to cause the same problems as COVID.
shitass239@reddit
Thanks!!
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Wrangel_5989@reddit
Except 2 of those infected were members of the ships crew and 1 was the doctor on board. Now the doctor is explainable since was likely in constant close contact with patient zero but the crew members aren’t really. Additionally the number of infected has jumped up to the point that I doubt it could’ve just been close contact with patient zero and other infected people.
Jozef_Baca@reddit
And only after prolonged exposure, if you are to get infected by another person.
The only reason the infection actually spread this time was that infected people went on a cruise ship and spent a long time around non infected people.
ElectroMagnetsYo@reddit
covid caused people to reach positive or negative infinity as they approached a certain value?
94_stones@reddit
This hantavirus is native to South America. The MV Hondius (which is very small as far as cruise ships go) departed Ushuaia on April 1st. Most of the passengers didn’t disembark until well over a month later. If this disease was anywhere even remotely close to as contagious as COVID, the death toll would be a lot higher than 5. On this basis I trust the reports I have seen describing when this particular disease is contagious.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
Genuinely, modern Americans will suffer near extinction before they listen enough to care about a virus, look at covid.
iSQUISHYyou@reddit
Is that what happened during Covid?
No-Permission-4671@reddit
Yes. Adults with 5th grade reading levels perceived health protocols as infringing on their rights.
iSQUISHYyou@reddit
Do you know which demographic that would be?
No-Permission-4671@reddit
The majority of Americans. Look it up, it might actually be around 6th grade.
Azteco@reddit
This virus is very different from Covid.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
Oh I'm aware, but it still fits. It wasn't a "Oh the virus isn't dangerous" that prevented people from listening, they did it out of spite because American pride overrides survival instincts.
Azteco@reddit
Sure but there is merit in questioning the media when sensationalism pays the bills. It is not surprising that 100% of people don't discern the facts from misinformation.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
I don't think you shouldn't question media, Americans just have a habit of questioning the wrong ones in the worst ways. Instead of ACTUALLY questioning it and seeing something not adding up, they literally want to spite people to their own detriment.
wordjedi@reddit
The US with 4.2% of the global population, had 16% of covid deaths. Cheesburger cheeseburger blam blam shooty shooty freedumb
VortexButWithAOne@reddit
The measures put in place to prevent Covid's spread were ineffective not because people disobeyed, but because no measure short of shutting down civilization entirely for a few months would have prevented the spread.
Look at nations like China and Australia who were not opposed to locking people up in their homes or in camps to reduce the spread. Do we think they really faired better than the US with their tyrannical policies?
There was no practical solution to end the transmissions. The best solution would have been for immunocompromised people to shelter away from public and visitors--and even that is a tough ask and a far cry from safety.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
I'm not speaking at all on the validity or effectiveness of protocol, I'm talking about the incessant and widespread habit of ignoring warnings and overtly making things worse out of spite.
Throwing more parties because you wrongfully think it's infringing on your rights for people to discourage it, refusing to wear masks or leave space between you and strangers or plainly ignoring experts who are doing their best.
It's like how the politics go: People were AHEAD of the curb on the corruption in the administration, gave every resource possible to educate and make people aware and people literally ignored it for the fashion, just to spite people they disagreed with. We literally have hours of footage of MAGAs talking about how they don't care if trump does bad stuff, these people will lop off their noses to spite their faces.
VortexButWithAOne@reddit
You can claim to not be speaking on the validity and effectiveness of protocol but those two things are at the core of the one example you presented.
Given that things like social distancing and flimsy fabric masks did little to hinder the spread of the virus, requiring them to go into public places was more of an exercise in mass social control than a policy of safety. And while most of the people who went out of their way to violate these ordinances were certainly not doing so with selfless intentions, (I remember thinking very lowly of them at the time) by the end of it, I feel like they weren't in the wrong. All the selfish kids that had parties and were trying to catch the virus for lols may have went and transmitted it to their family and onwards, sure. But they would have caught it just by going to school anyways, considering they weren't required to wear effective respiratory equipment either.
The vaccines are the pinnacle of this seemingly draconian policies. A shot that was rushed through trials concerningly quickly (or several shots) that doesn't prevent the contraction or transmission of the virus. It merely lessens the symptoms. For most people, the symptoms of covid were already quite mild--akin to the common cold or less. However, if you didn't allow yourself to be injected by this hardly tested science experiment, you were persona non grata. No going to school, you may have to resign from your job, you couldn't go out to restaurants, no visiting loved ones. It was a very real and dystopian experience. And remember that the vaccine did not prevent transmission.
So your saying that people were wrongfully disobeying the government and the experts who were trying their best? But clearly, there were huge gaps in their logic, yet our leaders still went to the extent of trying to compel everyone to get a mystery shot, separating families and friends, and making those who didn't follow the rules into pariah. Those don't sound like the good guys to me. I am not saying that everyone who deliberately disobeyed was some brave freedom fighter. Most of them were selfish in intention, yes. But they weren't the bad guys. Do you wonder why Biden gave a preemptive pardon to Fauci? Good guys don't need preemptive pardons.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
And I can't speak for others, but the area I was in did have people dying. When I got sick myself that shit almost got me, and I was in highschool/starting college and non immunocompromised.
It fully makes sense to me to shun someone who deliberately puts me in danger. I do not care how valid someone thinks their perspective is, I got sick and couldn't breathe for the first time in my life and motherfuckers refused to take that seriously and put that onto others. I know a lot of families that are heavily divided now because people overtly were the express vectors of infection, because (who woulda thought) once people start dying you want to go to a doctor and make sure you're not next. Lots of Carriers.
I don't think our leaders are perfect, but again, the leaders aren't the ones showing borderline callous disregard to their fellows.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
I understand the point you're making, but the core of what I originally said was that modern Americans make a deliberate choice not to listen. It's one thing for something to be ineffective and simply not work out, and it's a horse of a different color for people to refuse to engage with it as is. A ineffective method is not showing its base ineffective nature when people are making a overt and undereducated choice to undermine/ignore it. My point still stands.
shitass239@reddit
As an American... yeah. The entire Republican party (~half the population I believe) threw a tantrum during the covid pandemic and are still pissed about it.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
Right, not to mention the amount of Antivaxxers under their banner. Can guarantee the down votes come from those types.
SleepingPodOne@reddit
It’s not even that we didn’t care that much about a virus. It’s that we didn’t care about other people.
No-Permission-4671@reddit
Both are true. People refused to acknowledge the virus was dangerous enough to change their lives and also ignored how clearly it was changing other people's lives.
JamieBeeeee@reddit
If COVID had a 20%+ mortality rate Americans would hide in their homes and wave shotguns at approaching mailmen
No-Permission-4671@reddit
I actively lived in a area where people were dropping because of it and those same people had family members who refused to wear masks or mitigate social gatherings. I promise you, there's a minority who are rational and will be careful and a massive majority who will be the express reason the virus gets to mutate.
Xardnas69@reddit
Hopefully this happens soon
big-bruh-boi@reddit
Are people seriously freaked out over this?
Morphling69@reddit
Chubbbyemu's video on it was pretty great.
Having just cleaned out a rat infested garage, I'm glad I watched it first.
There's a process for cleaning rodent droppings. You can't just take a leaf blower and blow it all away... Which was what I was going to do.
crazybmanp@reddit
This is also incorrect, the woman is not in her 20s
burgerdistraction@reddit
She wasn’t in her 20s she was 65, so her immune system was already weak. Still a concerning virus tho.
kuela@reddit
Meh, I don't really care about dying. My biggest fear during Covid was I read that Covid shrunk penis and cause ED. If my penis get any smaller it would be a clitoris. I take death please.
Radical-Efilist@reddit
👏Hantavirus👏Is👏Not👏COVID👏
At this point people are just assuming every new disease does the asymptomatic transmission thing, when it is very rare to be infectious more than hours prior to symptom onset. SARS-CoV-2, HIV and Ebola (semen remains infectious for months and sometimes the virus will lay dormant and suddenly reinfect you from inside) do this, Hantavirus doesn't. Everyone infected has been in close contact with a symptomatic person.
Regarding mutation, it has a tiny chance of happening per person infected, becoming a larger chance with more people infected. It is astronomically unlikely for significant mutations to have happened - at most, there may be someone who is infected by a third-generation (of human transmission, so three "persons" of mutation) virus - and with such low case counts, they're not going to happen either. The virus also isn't new, it was identified as the causative pathogen of a couple outbreaks in South America.
This is only "newsworthy" because its happening to American and European tourists. Besides hundreds of cases already having happened years ago in South America, the comparable Nipah Virus has been causing outbreaks every couple years in South Asia. The last Ebola outbreak ended last year with 60 cases - it's been causing continuous outbreaks in Congo the past decade. A different and more dangerous Monkeypox virus epidemic is also ongoing in Africa.
BirbsAreSoCute@reddit
Saving this to read after we've all died of COVID-26
soleyfir@reddit
Also the post is bullshit. The hospitalized woman in a critical condition is 65 with comorbidities.
Davy257@reddit
I don’t eat mouse shit so I’m not worried
Neuro_Kuro@reddit
why is the virus killing the host? is it stupid?
ControlThat8187@reddit
Actually, having a sack of meat to feast on would be better then incubating and eventually being fought of by the immune system 🤓
Guardiancomplex@reddit
Except the goal of a virus isn't to feed its to reproduce. It needs living cells to convert into virus factories to do that. Killing the host stops like 90% of the available infection vectors. It's a bad evolutionary option for most viruses.
_eleutheria@reddit
I mean, you die because your immune system keeps nuking the body over and over and over again in its attempts to get rid of the virus. I'm not sure if that's how it is for this virus specifically, but lots of infections and diseases are like that.
As complex and smart as the human body is, it sometimes accelerates its own demise.
ajakafasakaladaga@reddit
You’d still die though, bacteria and viruses consume resources and alter homeostasis even if the immune system doesn’t go around inflamating all to oblivion. The immune system just tries to heal you, even if kills you 2 weeks earlier.
CerifiedHuman0001@reddit
Do something, fucked
Do nothing, extra fucked
Guner100@reddit
This is only half true. Yes, an overactive immune response is certainly detrimental, but pathogens themselves have also evolved to trigger an overzealous response because that can help them grow. One example is the toxic shock super antigen produced by staph aureus
ControlThat8187@reddit
wow I never knew mouse droppings had living cells
SpaceBug176@reddit
Those are inert till they go into someone I assume.
ControlThat8187@reddit
So, that begs the question, why can't they be inert in a dead body?
SpaceBug176@reddit
Well they probably can, but which dumbass is going near a dead body?
ControlThat8187@reddit
A lot of people actually. Dead bodies, if left awhile, produce lots of gases and liquids. The person finding the body, the people who recover the body, the people who are studying the body because of the infection, the doctors/nurses, the mortician.
Faust_the_Faustinian@reddit
Morticians and coroners reading this:
egggspecial@reddit
most viruses die with their host before long since they can't use dead cells to replicate. notably, the bubonic plague is an exception; corpses are still a potential vector for transmission long after death.
Arctic_Chilean@reddit
Not entirely, as long as the virus is able to spread before it kills the host then it can be quite successful, albeit with the problem of eventually burning through everyone it can infect.
Case in point: African Swine Fever (pig Ebola) which is insanely contagious, has a near 100% kill rate, and is hardy enough to survive outside the host for months, and a few viral particles on clothing or shoes is enough to spread the virus from one pig population to another. No cure, no vaccine. Only solution is mass culling otherwise the virus will burn through every pig or hog it comes across. And IIRC, the virus has the ability to spread when a pig is not all that sick.
ajakafasakaladaga@reddit
>No cure
I find this extremely funny because there is no cure too most viruses. There are some drugs that kinda work with some and not very well, and some that work specific viruses and that’s it. Treatments for every viral disease are basically treat the symptoms until your body immune system gets rid of it.
You have something like a viral encephalitis? Well let’s hope your immune system can do something about it
destroyerOfTards@reddit
Yup. It's crazy that the immune system has the library of attacks against all possible viruses and is the only thing that can save you. All we human beings can do from the outside is help it. And hence it becomes very important to take care of it by eating healthy and exercising.
rostemaxime@reddit
As a biologist/biochemist this is the worst take i have ever heard. The virus wants to spread and it does not feed on flesh of anything like that. A longer period to spread would be ideal. The virus does not actually want to kill you either but viruses that come from other animals to humans often are more taxing/deadly to us. As it spreads, new versions become more prominent and adapt to spread faster. This goes hand in hand with milder symptoms so the host actually Goes around and spread the virus instead of just laying in bed at home.
Miserable-Excuse-874@reddit
I can tell you're not a virologist. Viruses use the host machinery to replicate. Without a living host, they're SoL.
They don't feed or metabolize parts of their environment like a typical microbe. They infect, reproduce, lyse the host cell, and move on.
McENEN@reddit
Ideally if I was a conscious virus I wouldnt kill the host but make my permanent home somewhere where the immune system doesnt hang out like herpes and other viruses do.
Xardnas69@reddit
Viruses don't feast on anything, they're not even alive. They're rogue strains of dna that infact the cells of living beings to "take them over" so the infected cells produce copies of the virus. I believe that is part of the reason why it's harder to make effective antiviral medicine compared to antibiotics or antifungal meds; you can kill bacteria and fungi, you can't kill a virus
adamcmorrison@reddit
Yeah if they had mouths
einstAlfimi@reddit
Why did Virus kill Woman? Is there a lore reason for this?
I9w0s@reddit
It wants to have a nostalgia moment from 6 years ago. IYKYK
DezXerneas@reddit
Not exactly. The reason the pandemic was so bad was that c19 didn't really kill people that fast.
This is more of a flashback to 700 years ago
Aphrel86@reddit
Its teh 1%ers of the Viruses who makes the calls, the rest cant do anything about it i promise.
Max2000Warlord@reddit
It usually happens when a virus migrates from one species to another.
beingmemybrownpants@reddit
Wait till it hits America. We literally have the dumbest people in charge to solve our problems
AnOrdinaryFrog@reddit
RIP to the kids who can't get graduation ceremony this year.
unkountoyou@reddit
6th grade ruined by Covid, 12th by Hantavirus. Shit sucks
unkountoyou@reddit
Woman in her twenties. Here comes all the anons saying they can help her
Riipp3r@reddit
Person to person contact is very rare. You basically have to breathe in rodent shit/piss/saliva.
ReturnRadio@reddit
So you're saying I should stop my daily routine then?
Riipp3r@reddit
I'm saying step it up pal.
Some random dickwad on a cruise ship made it happen but you can't?
aChileanDude@reddit
The patient 0 (Leo Schilperoord) was an ornithologist that went to sightsee a "rare" bird
That's the first contact with the virus. On a landfill.
Then he continue to travel with his wife, this is the close contact that enabled the virus to go person-to-person.
11448844@reddit
dont think it's worth going to a landfill for it, but the bird does look pretty cool
smallanimals123@reddit
woah you’re right
abdallha-smith@reddit
The lady is 63 not 20
Whsteverkfjf@reddit
i remember before covid everyone was saying it's nothing to worry about
Pinkman505@reddit
In my state we have hantavirus cases yearly. Wash your hands and don't go play in mouse shit unless you got protection. Always wear protection.
FHFH913@reddit
akulowaty@reddit
except actual mortality rate is 30% but only for people who don’t get any treatment, for people who treat symptoms mortality rate is below 6%. News outlets seek cheap attention with these fake numbers which is typical for them big noses
smallanimals123@reddit
Do you have a source for this ? I haven’t heard of mortality rate with treatment
akulowaty@reddit
some press article in Polish quoting Polish ministry of health report that’s supposed to be based on ECDC report I couldn’t find. So out of my ass
Honeysenpaiharuchan@reddit
It’s ok I’m just gonna take my Joe-Rogan approved Ivermectin supplements before it gets here.
GregTheIntelectual@reddit
I've already injected bleach to give myself immun
FHFH913@reddit
Man i hope i get the hentaiVirus, it sounds cool
Xardnas69@reddit
Why would i freak out? I'm not a fr*nch "woman" and if i was, I'd let the virus take me
dog-shades@reddit
If you were a French woman you probably wouldn’t be sitting around being a redditor
Xardnas69@reddit
Why not? It's well-known that the fr*nch are braindead, they fit in perfectly
dog-shades@reddit
You can’t be serious. If you believe that you are incompetent. Have you seen French esports players? French athletes? The French are absolutely brutal in war. Maybe learn to examine the world directly instead of relying on propaganda and nonsense
ur_moms_boy-toy@reddit
You've solved this mystery yourself. Congratulations!
Xardnas69@reddit
This may be a foreign concept to you, but i was making a joke. A VERY, VERY common joke. Really, it's not original in the slightest. Everyone shits on the french, especially other Europeans (which is what i am). We all hate each other, except Italians who seem to hate themselves
dog-shades@reddit
Ok fair. But I am not EU so I don’t know this, and also you did not use /s.
Orthobrah52102@reddit
This whole hantavirus shit is just fearmongering.
luckydales@reddit
Why didn't they keep that fucking ship at sea for 6 weeks?
shitass239@reddit
It is slow to infect, and so deadly that half of the infected who could be spreading it simply die.
It can't infect for shit, it isn't that big of a deal.
Ok_Two_2604@reddit
But the WHO announced that it isn’t like Covid and so we don’t need to worry about it.
Schlimp007@reddit
Two weeks to flatten the curve!
HATECELL@reddit
Given how the world is going it's not like we have THAT much to lose
leutwin@reddit
Transmission is difficult for human to human. Its generally only close contact with bodily fluids, not airborne. So if you are frequently sharing needles or having sex then you might get it. Not great, but it is not as infectious as covid.
202glewis@reddit
Catching this sounds fantastic. Who wouldn’t want to go right before everything hits the fan? I’m on the edge of losing my job to AI and losing my freedom to Republican Christo-tech-facism. Sounds like the perfect time for an infection.
Res_Novae17@reddit
It's not airborne. Full stop. Zero pandemic risk. Human to human transmission requires mixing bodily fluids.
dendudes123@reddit
the hospital workers in the netherlands also got infected and are in quarantine now, due to not following protocol. i still don't understand why they let that ship dock here while spain refused. should had kept them at sea
NegativeMammoth2137@reddit
Why would I ever be a Dutch hospital worker?
the_gerund@reddit
It doesn't say anywhere that they were actually infected. They just self-quarantine to be safe after not following the regulations for handling blood and urine in the strictest way that they should have.
enjaysm@reddit
Hanta doesnt believe in politics.
IcyDrops@reddit
"But I had breakfast" type reaction from anon
wafflepiezz@reddit
Viruses evolve as well.
Currently it’s spread through physical contact, but imagine if it becomes airborne too. AND a 1-6 week incubation period?
This shit is scary.
Mr_Ios@reddit
Very low mortality rate compared to the commonly known Hantavirus.
destroyerOfTards@reddit
And even lower mortality rate than the Hentaivirus which affects almost all males such as Anon here.
Maddkipz@reddit
I mean..virus or getting out priced by the cost of living in a decade or two, take your pick
AffectionateKoala530@reddit
very reddit comment on 4chan
poopcockshit@reddit
“She didn’t have a healthy diet” “yUP, that’s the Covid vax that weakened her” “she didn’t exercise” “did she have good vitamin D levels?”. Many creative ways to dismiss this. Not smart ones, but creative.
AsbestosDude@reddit
Hantavirus doesn't spread like covid.
Its a different biology.
SolidBandit-6018@reddit
We are so Fucked
ProjectBig2804@reddit
Not really
Datruyugo@reddit
Even if you survive, your chances of dementia later in life skyrocket.
JACK_1719@reddit
It’s kinda hard to get this virus unless you’ve been smooching a rodents butthole or someone who’s already got it.
1tiredman@reddit
This is gonna be another ebola. The mortality rate will prevent it from becoming pandemic
JoshuaLukacs1@reddit
Virus is only contagious once symptomatic, once symptomatic most people are isolated in hospitals, the mortality rate is much too high for the virus to become too contagious. There is nothing to worry about, there will not be a hantavirus pandemic. Chill.
thingamajig1987@reddit
Isn't it not all that contagious compared to other viruses? Yeah it's deadly and needs to be taken care of, but a big reason why COVID became such a big thing was now contagious and easy to spread it was.
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
Anon has an atypical response to seeing horny, war-mongering Krauts pouring into his village.
ADHDpixie@reddit
Honestly I ask myself this everyday. Thanks mum x
asnaf745@reddit
Because it is so not contagious that only way you can get it is if you are running after it.
spunk_wizard@reddit
Why would I be a French woman?
Azurehue22@reddit
Because no one is falling another pandemic bullshit.