Every Marina has a prospective customer list?
Posted by JiffyMcPop@reddit | sailing | View on Reddit | 113 comments
Some called them wait lists, while others said Maybe we have room….
Some said we’re completely moving away from monohull sailboats because the “they think the wind is free so everything else should be too” as in they don’t patronize the ship store enough?
Anyway, talking to an employee in a boat yard in Maine, not only are Marinas turning down decent quality older monohulls, not just junkers, but some places are starting to not even let you store your boat, and if a haul out occurs they want you immediately back in the water.
So options are to moor for the summer and do what in the winter? Anchor?
Dock space does come available in the winter but times are a changing and who knows how long that will last.
I’m devastated because I thought my sailboat would hold value as it should, but these new marina guidelines are gutting the value of really nice yachts too!
Another sad consequence to this is what will happen to the riggers and sailmakers? No sailboats means no new sails, another lost art? Someone give me some good news please!
RikkiLostMyNumber@reddit
This is a nationwide problem. PE firms like Safe Harbor have bought hundreds of marinas and are actively running them into the ground. The whole point is to ultimately turn these properties into waterfront condos and sell them for millions.
It will probably work. Personally I'd root for Satan if he took on the PE outfits.
bagnap@reddit
Why in gods name would they’ actively run them into the ground’?
I don’t understand this comment
Ok_Role_6215@reddit
joke's on them, most of the marinas would have to relocate anyway as sea level rises :D
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Well that may be another lie
RandoReddit16@reddit
4 yr old thread saying the same thing... https://www.reddit.com/r/sailing/comments/u4muhf/is_anyone_else_wary_of_the_quiet_but_swift/
__slamallama__@reddit
Private equity (parent company is called safe harbor) bought a ton of marinas up and down the east coast and is doing what private equity does best - saddle them with enormous debt and try to crank margins to cover said debt. It's a sad state of affairs tbh.
Dr_Ramekins_MD@reddit
Safe Harbor owns about 20% of the marinas in my area, and they are supposedly trying to acquire more. I imagine they'll eventually be the only game in town at some point.
Fortunately, there's still enough competition right now to keep them somewhat honest but they haven't exactly been shy about raising rates either.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
That’s my point. Why invest now when boats will only get cheaper as they’re phased out! It’s a conspiracy against well made vessels I tell ya! In my case, the people from Morgan and endeavor were pissed they over built them because they were still afloat when they were making new vessels in the 90s! Its planned obsolescence is what it is.
overthehillhat@reddit
Narragansett Bay / Newport
Is around 80-20 - opposite
CharterJet50@reddit
They like the marina businesses because in many areas it’s like owning a mini geographical monopoly. There are only so many marinas, and it’s almost impossible for anyone to build a new one from scratch, so once you own the main marinas in an area, you pretty much own the market. People are going to drive only so far to get to their boats, and then if you own the neighboring marinas, it’s truly game over for competition. Anti trust has a hard time dealing with this kind of localized monopoly behavior so boaters are basically screwed.
gc1@reddit
Joke’s on them, we’re all dying faster than kids and young adults are taking up sailing. Don’t worry, though; once the business model gets upside down, they’ll bleed all the cash out, declare bankruptcy and sell it all off again.
CharterJet50@reddit
Yes, the Red Lobster model. Eventually the whole thing will declare bankruptcy after the PE owners have taken all the cash out and don’t care anymore. Then the bottom feeders will move in and start the cycle all over again.
Dr_Ramekins_MD@reddit
Yeah, and it's not like "sailors" are a community that the broader public really cares about. It's just a hobby for most of us, and there's definitely a perception that it's a "rich person hobby" on top of that.
RedditIsRectalCancer@reddit
I got a slip at a Safe Harbor in 2023 and it was 650/mo, when I sold my boat in Feb this year it was 1080/mo. That's a lot of inflation in 3 years.
LateralThinkerer@reddit
It's a brilliant long-term proposition. Waterfront property used to be where the shipping/fishing docks and poor people were. Real-estate developers gentrified this into premium properties with limitless profit potential as quantities are de facto limited. Marinas are simply in the way of this, and if you're in the business of making money, turning a legacy marina into condominiums is the way to go.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Yeah but the fact they are not letting nicer older yachts in is kind of a conspiracy against overbuilt hulls from the late 70s. Maybe I don’t want a cored hull or computer chips? And now the value of everyone’s vintage monohull is gone, so will the professions of sailmaking, rigging, hell boatyards in general!
I hope you all enjoy 3D printed rental boats because that’s the way of the future, if boating at all is even legal
LateralThinkerer@reddit
It's more likely a "wallet biopsy" - the owners of older boats won't be as free-spending, so they're selecting for owners who will tolerate outrageous rate increases.
Single_Ad_5294@reddit
Three cheers for capitalism…
Hip Hip,
youngishgeezer@reddit
Horseshit
Kapitalist_Pigdog2@reddit
Hip hip,
secretdecoder@reddit
Hemorrhoids
Kapitalist_Pigdog2@reddit
Hip hip,
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Hell to safe harbor
Lopsided_Ad_5152@reddit
It's not like that here in Michigan either. It may be time to switch to a trailer-able boat if it's that difficult in your area. There are a lot of nice boats that you can trailer and bring home or put in a storage lot during the winter.
Kanthaka@reddit
Sad; but I must now ask. What is the premier trailerable sailboat design?
Lopsided_Ad_5152@reddit
For me, trailer-able boats and launch-able boats are two different things. If you're just trailering and not launching, Contessa 26. Awesome boat. (Cape Dory 25D, Pacific Seacraft Dana 24, Flicka, and a few others that will come to me later are worth mentioning. I'm sure people will add to the list.) They sail around the world often, but you can't launch them and you'll need a gin pole to put the mast up. I did, however, find a kit that will allow you to raise masts on the hard. I've done it with larger boats.
If you want a launch-able boat, man, your options are endless. Currently, my trailer boat is a Catalina 250. Not a great boat to sail but you can't beat the live ability of it. Total package with trailer is 5k lbs. I've trailered it from Isle Royale to the Everglades and a lot of places in between. It's also 'kinda' beachable. Big, fun advantage. My main boat is a Sabre 34. That's a sweet sailing boat but it takes too long to get anywhere unless you have a lot of time off. Are you solo? Family? Where do you want to visit? This is a fun topic. Thanks for posting.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Was trying to be a year round type of sailor
Lopsided_Ad_5152@reddit
Lol, that's exactly why God made Florida!! Lol. Good luck!
kharneyFF@reddit
The lakes are amazing for trailer sailing, the coast is quite different, because land is expensive near waterways there's very few good launch locations with any legalized overnight parking for a truck and boat trailer. Destination trailer sailing is complicated.
Lopsided_Ad_5152@reddit
Only if you make it that way. I've lived on the coast for 15 years working at various West Marines. I sailed the east coast for over a year straight. I think I have a handle on it. In the end, only you/we let challenges stop us. Don't stop. Keep sailing.
EddieVedderIsMyDad@reddit
I’d imagine that this is partly a problem of the ever expanding volume of old fiberglass sailboats in existence. Unfortunately there is an enormous quantity of junky, unattractive old monohulls around that have little or even negative value that marinas and boat yards don’t want to take risk of inviting old, cheap boats onto their premises with the very real risk that they will eventually be abandoned. Even if you’ve got a very well kept 1970s 36 footer, that boat is one or two seasons of neglect away from being worth $0.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Very true, and I do see both sides. Point is the value of the good ones are gone because they’re being assumed as a liability.
Makes me beg the question, will an Elon 40 be here in 2076? Will those mini tugs that cost 500k last over 60 years? Seems like the whole boat building market is going to tailor even more to the super wealthy only
There’s just not many alternatives
EddieVedderIsMyDad@reddit
I don’t see why they wouldn’t be here just like an ancient Alberg or Morgan. The fiberglass isn’t going anywhere. Disposing of old boats is a logistical nightmare even at the best of times and then you throw in a supply of broke dreamers that jump at the chance to own a cheap or “free” old boat and you use a recipe for those boats being around forever.
QuellishQuellish@reddit
I used to own a canvas and upholstery shop at a marina, 15 or so years ago. It took about 2 years of ownership to finally hide my zigzag under the table so I could tell Sailors that I can't work on their sails. The amount of friction dealing with sailors who wanted everything for free was absolutely agregious. I love sailing, love working on sails, but not for free. Some stereotypes are rooted in some reality, it's too bad the cheepskates give a bad name to the rest of us.
carnalasadasalad@reddit
The evil of private equity is real.
The overbearing cheapness of old bearded white men on sail boats is also real.
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
I’m not cheap because I want to be, I’m cheap because it’s the only way I can afford a boat.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
They’re often opening the same. I feel like those Wall Street fellas were upset by the people who knew what they were doing with boats, so they made it for clueless floating condo type people. All I’m saying is boat prices are about to drop and I don’t think sail making is going to be a great job to get in to
greengiant314@reddit
Interesting. I have nothing helpful to add, but it’s not at all like that here in NC. In Oriental (where my boat lives) the sailing scene seems to be getting stronger and there are lots of marinas to choose from all along the spectrum of cost/“fanciness”.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Yep, I’ve sailed through that area. In Maine the DIY boatyards are disappearing, the only seasonal slips I could find for a well kept/ surveyed 1978 endeavor 37 would’ve been down east or in Boston
dollardave@reddit
Call them back and ask if they have a slip for a 2008 Island Packet 370.
ProbablySFW@reddit
Are these essentially the same boat? Hard to tell the difference, so able to get a berth because it's newer? Or is it simply to see if they have open spaces, and they won't let you have one because the boat is too old?
dollardave@reddit
A lot of marinas don’t want a $10k boat next to a $500k boat.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Yeah but will the 500k dollar boat last over 50 years without an insurance pay out?
dollardave@reddit
I don't think a marina really cares if a boat will last 50 years, most in the business would prefer that they don't. Boats are expensive, and even more expensive to be a well maintained 50 year old boat, has nothing to do with insurance payouts.
ProbablySFW@reddit
Yup makes sense, thanks
TangoLimaGolf@reddit
Same here in Southport. Sailing is making a huge comeback.
MrRourkeYourHost@reddit
We don't even have a stoplight. Much less, a WalMart. Hopefully capitalism stays far away from us for the foreseeable future.
Redfish680@reddit
Yeah, but when the Bean opened my first thought was “Great, here comes BigCofee!” Lol
BoredPineapple790@reddit
Oriental is in a different position economically though. Pamlico county overall doesn’t have a ton of money while Oriental caters to boaters and tourists including those coming down the ICW. Funnily enough the town is named after a shipwreck off the outer banks. Oriental was a Union steamer than sank in 1862 during a storm
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
What the heck part of Maine are you in. I’m sure there are places in the US that only want fancy motor boaters who deep pockets. But the small harbors in Maine. Even in southern maine not far out of Portland, are some of the friendliest and most affordable places around. Of course you definitely want a mooring not a slip anyway. But you can still get last minute moorings in quality harbors with no questions asked for less than $2k a season. And there’s plenty of small local boatyards with reasonable prices too (and a few expensive ones, but they show their colors from far away with all the beneteaus in the lot)
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Sadly that’s not the case anymore, it was a surprise to me as just 4-5 years ago I had no problem on a beat up production boat. Times have changed!
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
Dude I have an old 35 foot sailboat on the coast of Maine. And have an afforable mooring and go to a reasonable shipyard. So it’s still true. And I’m in Casco bay, so I’m not even way out in the sticks. Now I’m not saying about is cheap, I’ve still spent a lot on mine. But I don’t own my own mooring so I rent one, and it’s $1600 a season. And the shipyard I go to is $2k a season for storage and lets me do all my own DIY and whatever else I wanna do.
demo_graphic@reddit
You need to build relationships. Most of them are just screening to avoid problem tenants. Find a marina you like (preferably not corporate owned) and stay as a transient for a while. Get to know the crew. Be kind and keep your slip and boat clean. Ask to extend. Ask for a monthly rate. If it doesn't work out after a while, move on to the next place. I did the Great Loop and stayed at "full" marinas all over the US, sometimes for months at a time.
Intrepid_Train3277@reddit
I hear marinas are getting scooped up by funds out of NY. Lock the market and price as you want.
carnalasadasalad@reddit
Gut the service, take out huge loans using the property as collateral, restructure under bankruptcy, then tear it all down and make condos.
StatisticalMan@reddit
That happened in my neck of the woods but the city was smart enough to require the new owners create so many slips. So now it is mostly slips in front of condos. The condo owners get a nice view. The boaters get slips. Sadly ship stores are mostly gone. There is also only one boatyard close by.
overthehillhat@reddit
Is there enough parking?
StatisticalMan@reddit
It depends on the marina but in general reasonable. A lot of them have waterfront restaurants too so it is mixed zoned space.
The only downside is there is only one real boatyard with a travel lift. I figure it is only a matter of time before someone turns that into condos. Slips look pretty and can produce revenue from the water and don't really interfere with condos. Boatyards on the other hand not so much.
If the boatyard goes it will be a long trip to haulout.
RikkiLostMyNumber@reddit
This is very much the plan, which is why smaller actors are getting in on it.
Skrenlin@reddit
Topside venture capital buying up everything in the country, seems like.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Same guys that are buying up affordable homes and RV parks. It’s like they want people homeless.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Safe Harbor
secretdecoder@reddit
Solid hypothesis. Everything else is.
rufuckingkidding@reddit
Yeah, they are tired of being hobby dumping grounds. Too many people just store their boat…forever. When they get tired of paying for the slip fee, they just abandon them. Or just leave them on a mooring ball until they sink and become someone else’s problem.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
I’ve seen a ton of heavy displacement vessels turned into above ground swimming pools at boatyards thanks to insurance companies
feed_me_tecate@reddit
This happens quite a bit around here. There are boats that haven't moved in a decade with full on reefs growing under them, expired registrations. It's not good for everyone involved.
rufuckingkidding@reddit
We’ve got mooring fields with 20 year wait lists…and boats that haven’t been touched in 20 years.
Ok_Role_6215@reddit
The reef dwellers would disagree tho.
overthehillhat@reddit
Is the sky falling where you are?
Knot Maine
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
I mean, in Maine things aren’t that great. Sky isn’t falling, but everything IS failing
Shdwrptr@reddit
How so? I live in Maine as well and it doesn’t seem like it’s failing to me
overthehillhat@reddit
Especially consumer prices
Knot falling
anywhere
Weird1Intrepid@reddit
A ship store is a retail outlet on board a (usually either cruise or naval) vessel. A ship's store is hold space for whatever stuff you're bringing on a trip - supplies, spares etc.
I think you mean a chandlery
J4pes@reddit
Charisma will open doors for you. Be persistent and respectful you’ll figure it out
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Thanks!
gsasquatch@reddit
It's a seller's market.
In my little town, there was always a slip available, until 2020 and everyone bought a boat for a covid project. Now, there's a lot more boats chasing the same number of slips. For that, there are wait lists, and the rates have been climbing until there are no more wait lists, as the market adjusts.
They aren't making more marinas in my town, it is hard to see where they could, without a gorzillion dollars in investment or some creative permitting. The gorzillion dollars in investment would never pay, so it is what it is. Population increase means inflation, and while they are making more people and more boats, they aren't making more shoreline.
I had some experience with Clearwater during the housing boom. Marinas were being bought up left and right to build more condos, because back then building a condo was a golden ticket. So, the wait lists there and then, started getting longer, I think it was >5 years for the city dock, which was prime, vs. other places were either much more expensive, or sub par for being further from the gulf.
A slip is essentially real estate, and for that subject to the same rules, first 3 of which are location. If housing is tight, someone with a dog, not even a pitbull, is going to be noped on, because the landlord can find someone else without at dog. But if there are more places than people, landlords will be more accepting, and just dealing with the inevitable cat pee smell.
Moorings seem like more of a pita, but, there's more water than land, so should be a cheaper or more available option. In HCOL areas like NYC, San Fran, Vancouver, etc. I think even those are tight.
I think a good solution might be rental boats, or boat sharing, in general more collectivism. Trouble with rentals, is like a week's rental is my entire boating budget for the year as an owner with low standards. Or, I've considered a share, but I'm pretty sure anyone that shares with me will be disappointed in how I keep my gear, and I'd expect some friction. People are too in love with their boats, where I see mine as a utilitarian thing, a racing machine that doesn't need to be shiney, but fast. I'm more interested in sailing than polishing or keeping the thing bristol.
One of the marinas I'm familiar with chainsaws a few derelict boats each year. They lose the fee, then they lose in labor for the chainsawing, overall it costs to dispose of the boat. So, that's why some places might not want older boats owned by people that think the wind is free. Those people might not have the money, or, be willing to pay it, and so the marina has to chase them down for cash. I'm not sure the ship's store is really a factor, it is more like a little bonus for the marina that is making off of slips or service.
Might be PE, but the marinas in my town, aren't, I've interacted with the owners. It sounds like conditions are similar, just that yours have gone to the next level likely for being a bigger population. I'm guessing Portland? I bet it looks better up the coast a bit.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
I admittedly was trying to liveaboard with a dog in a cold climate, thus the need of shore power. I have no guarantee of a long term slip and that uncertainty drove me away from investing into a sailboat. Choices are to wait for a hinckley in decent shape when the market tanks or quit trying to liveaboard
youngrichyoung@reddit
Maine is very much not monolithic. You'll do better the further you get from Portland.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Sure, but there’s absolutely nothing to do for work down east, it’s a long commute, and 9 months out of the year you’ll freeze! It has yet to go above 70* this year in midcoast.
StretchCT53@reddit
Not my experience in CT...yet. I had to haul out for the winter to replace a shaft and prop. One of the Safe Harbors here had no problem finding room for me. They managed everything including the repairs very well, except they struggle with communication and they aren't the cheapest around. Finding dock space in the summer for a boat over 35' for a reasonable price is more the problem than having sails.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
I figured, some marinas were full while others were like, “maybe we have room, what’s your boat?”
It’s not about condition of the boat, it’s just a blanket statement about liveaboard sailors that don’t own hinckley or the like
OberonsGhost@reddit
Where I am at rich people in the city pay for dockspace here just so they can bring their boat down during fishing season for a month and then it sits empty the rest of the year. So, during the winter and spring the place very literally looks like a ghost town with maybe a hundred slips and about 10 boats but there is a 10 year waiting list and you have to put your name on the list and pay $40 a year to keep your name on it. Toatal BS. They just elected a new Port Commissioner. Guy was a drunk doctor here in town before runnuing so next time the election rolls around I intend to run.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
I’d love to start a liveaboard license program that gives some type of state or federal protection to older yachts that have good recent surveys, say every 2 years? Like a coast guard inspection that safe harbor can shove up their bum
Intrepid_Train3277@reddit
Go for it. What you got to loose?
Waterlifer@reddit
Well, you have a 1978 Endeavor 37. Presumably this is your first boat too large for a trailer. Presumably you paid around $30,000 or less for it. Presumably you want to put as little money into it as possible, because these are not boats that would ordinarily receive an extensive refit.
This does not make you an attractive customer to any marina, so you will have an uphill battle.
Look at less desirable marinas (due to location or less than excellent management or amenities).
Good luck.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
I agree that I see both sides, but tailoring only to motor boats when fuel at the dock is approaching 10.00 is a funny business model. Also, in Tampa I’ve seen more accidents happen on a new Elon, IP, etc than I’ve seen with an older person on an older boat. I’m all about preventing stray current and understand the possible liability, but that’s all boats the same, not just because one is newer. Are you telling me the elons and beneteaus will be here in 50-75 years? Doubt it! Especially not if they were club boats, jeez! And don’t tell me rich people aren’t just as bad of neighbors if they’re an abusive couple, loud and drunk, etc.
I’ve never complained to the dock staff ever except one time a woman claimed I was following her…down the dock! I’m like lady, I’m just going to my car, thanks.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Nope, I solo sailed a 36 footer from Charleston to Tampa to Maine. Took me 3 years! I even got jobs in Tampa and Wilmington during refits
Original_Dood@reddit
Where in Maine? I can see having this conversation in the Casco Bay area, but the Maine coast is huge, and mid-coast to down east has been very accommodating ime.
If you're stuck in Casco Bay, Maine Yacht Center is excellent, and their bread and butter is sail boats and sailboat maintenance.
Hodgdon? Robinhood? I'm surprised to hear this and a bit skeptical. What's your boat?
PrettyNeatOutThere@reddit
Used to work at Robinhood. Don't hear that name very often, but a great marina.
Original_Dood@reddit
Fantastic marina run by great people. The Osprey is a treat too. Georgetown is a great place.
PrettyNeatOutThere@reddit
Haha, did a summer doing dishes at the Osprey. Did my first race with the restaurant owner from Portland to Monhegan. Cheers for the momories!
Original_Dood@reddit
Couple years ago there was a juvenile hump back who hung out in the Sasanoa feeding for like the whole month of August. Was so freaking cool. That whole area is incredible. Wish I could spend more time there.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Come hang out!
Original_Dood@reddit
We're up there for the month of August every year. We have to work still and have a 10yo so we leave the boat (mid coast) and go back and forth for long weekends and then do a 10ish day cruise down east the week before Labor Day. We look forward to it all year.
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
I thought the same thing. I’m in casco bay myself. And other than the fancy places in Portland most places are not half bad. Freeport and places up the royal river are still pretty old fashioned. The only place that sounds like what OP is talking about is safe harbor and Portland Yacht Services.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Aspesia, south port, dimillos, Maine yacht center, the 2 out by bug light, never tried Freeport or Yarmouth but did try Biddeford wells and Elliot
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
Yeah brother you gotta get further east. Sailing gets better up in the bays too. Get above Portland and life is better. Im sure you don’t wanna drive further to the boat, but it’ll be worth it.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Everywhere in Portland was either not accepting sailboats in general or had years long wait lists or a prospective client list. Belfast (safe harbor) had a slip but they were just acquired 3 months ago. As far as harpswell or Georgetown, too much commute for not enough job opportunity
LoadCan@reddit
Where in Maine? If you're on the southern end of Casco Bay and in the 3 week wonder sections of Penobscot, yeah, you're going to get shoved out by PE taint suckers. But even in Harpswell on Casco and along the midcoast you can find plenty of good places. Storage is a different story, look inland for winter storage, or self store.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
Yeah my whole point was liveaboard in southern Maine. I live outside of Belfast and moms dying of cancer so I’d like to get a slip anywhere in casco bay but it’s impossible. Not for the lack of money or trying, I’m just not what they’re looking for. An honest knowledgeable sailor who spent 1/20th on their boat that I had planned on using more than a weekend here and there
Extreme_Map9543@reddit
Inland winter storage is the best answer. Only really doable on boats less than 36 or maybe 40 feet. But a lot of inland boatyards give you a good deal on the haul and are way cheaper. Only downside of them is you have to drop the mast every season. Granted a lot of the fancy marinas make you drop the mast even if they’re right on the water.
doyu@reddit
Its not like that a little further north.
I'm also 100% confident that the entire marina board would throw hands if private equity ever made an offer.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
“Ayes the boy who builds the boat”
brokernerds@reddit
Definitely not an issue in the Chesapeake region. We have so many marinas I think the competition helps keep them on their toes.
JiffyMcPop@reddit (OP)
It is an honest consideration as a liveaboard
championruby@reddit
More of the gentrification of everything. The marinas have probably been bought up by megacorps who get their accountants to dictate service provision.
SweetSeaCaramel@reddit
It's all just greedy late stage somthin somethin knocking at your door. Enjoy.
Wilfthered1@reddit
What country are you in?
Stormin_333@reddit
Safe Harbor bought my marina. Ever since...prices up, service down. They did make some nice capital improvements but they nickle and dime like crazy.
mofukkinbreadcrumbz@reddit
I feel semi-fortunate. Not even the yacht clubs in my area have waiting lists. The club I belong to was literally just an online signup form. The only downside is that there’s so much vacancy that they can’t afford to do basic maintenance and the channels coming into the basins are silting in. Racing is basically dead because nobody can get out unless they go ~30 miles away to different marinas. Just not worth it for a lot of people.
TheAlanboltage@reddit
Palm Beach Yachtclub dock master used to call sailboats “blowboats” and he had nothing but obvious contempt and dislike.
I grew up sailing in So Cal and the sailors rule here.
Any_March_9765@reddit
sailboat is a dying industry. Hunter already went out of business. Most boat makers have to make power boats now.
kokomo1989@reddit
The combination of private equity and developers will kill middle class marinas.