new hantavirus case in passenger evacuated from cruise ship as outbreak grows to 11
Posted by ABoutDeSouffle@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 88 comments
bananaslingrider@reddit
The Hantavirus virus is surface noise. It’s of interest, but in the overall scheme of things there are more important things such as the complete dismantling of the federal pandemic response layer of bureaucracy.
Pandemics are a when not an if and we are not prepared. Without the federal mechanism in place it will come down to states. This is a detailed analysis and it is well worth reading. If you don’t know, you can’t prep.
https://www.thelongmemo.com/p/the-next-pandemic-wont-get-a-warp
burn_corpo_shit@reddit
2020, pandemic. truckloads dead and fridged. generations scarred.
POST2020 US reaction: we don't need a CDC. WHO who?
Hedonismbot-1729a@reddit
Think I’ll buy some extra toilet paper when it’s on sale in case the US gets stupid again.
burn_corpo_shit@reddit
I'll just... get a bidet
ARazorbacks@reddit
Doesn’t this one have a 40% fatality rate?
If this one spreads, ain’t nobody going out to buy toilet paper.
Ok_Recording81@reddit
You are more likely to get hit by lighting than getting this. I guess you should hide in your basement when there is lightning in the sky.
OkDescription8492@reddit
You really, really underestimate the intelligence of your average American
Bestbuysucksreally@reddit
Stupid again? Where have you been the past 20 years.
whatThePleb@reddit
20??
Hedonismbot-1729a@reddit
Please excuse my misstatement. I truly meant, “even stupider than normal”. 😆
Suspicious-Cycle2678@reddit
"even stupider than normal, again" 🫠
Usernamenotdetermin@reddit
When I told my wife that stores in California had reported a run on TP (we are east coast) she asked the obvious question - why? Never figured out the starting why, but the panic buying of tp will feed comedians for a generation at least.
Brendogfox@reddit
All very worthy jokes aside, I've read it was due to supply chain; business and public places buy bulk from warehouses at lower quality, while nice stuff for home is packaged for for retail.
With a sudden shift to home en masse, one supply chain was crippled, and the other couldn't easily shift business to individual retail; of course panic buying made it worse.
That moment in history really revealed how delicate supply chains can be under duress.
vinnybawbaw@reddit
The US passengers are back and the quarantine was not mandatory. You should have gone to Costco yesterday.
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit (OP)
sup3rjub3@reddit
a functioning country takes them to a military hospital. usa lets them go and hopes it spreads.
Rocketeer006@reddit
What are you talking about? The USA has them quarantined at the university of Nebraska in a restricted unit.
RobotEnthusiast@reddit
RobotEnthusiast@reddit
They forgot the word "make."
SpiritTalker@reddit
It do be like that.
Stupidflorapope@reddit
Goes to 11? I wonder if they will need a spinal tap?
jaqian@reddit
Underappreciated comment 🤣
deadlandsMarshal@reddit
I have never been angrier that someone beat me to a comment.
jaqian@reddit
Under-under appreciated comment 🤣
TheSensiblePrepper@reddit
Based-in-Bangkok@reddit
Tremendous 🤣🤣
GuiltyOutcome140@reddit
r/contagioncuriousity has a great pinned megathread tracking the evolution of the outbreak.
Puzzle-Necked@reddit
Alright time to doom scroll
GuiltyOutcome140@reddit
Ha! I like it because it does not feel like doom and gloom. Just an attempt to organize facts.
pit-of-despair@reddit
I’ve been perusing that sub a lot these days.
dawn_thesis@reddit
Can you link to it?
GuiltyOutcome140@reddit
Does this work? If not, it's pinned at the top of the page.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ContagionCuriosity/s/Ier1reQHVL
dawn_thesis@reddit
OH, yikes, sorry; I read your comment as u/contagioncuriosity because i'm an idiot
GuiltyOutcome140@reddit
No apology necessary. Glad it worked.
Ok-Enthusiasm3114@reddit
Like is this legit? Are we honestly looking at the sequel? Covid 2 Plague Boogaloo?
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit (OP)
Unlikely. Genetic sequencing of the virus has revealed it's a known strain which is not that prone to human/human transmission.
But still, we should follow this one closely.
AppointmentPopular10@reddit
incorrect- it has been proven to be the ANDES strain of the virus family, which is confirmed and proven to -by default- allow for human transmission (other strains of the family do not). Now it is a matter of the details of said transmission patterns which - again - absolutely are able to be human to human for this strain
Ok_Recording81@reddit
You are more liley to be struck by lightining than getting the andes strain. Yes, it is rare for human to humans transfer with the andes strain. It is not spreadable like the flu or a cold. A very specific set of circumstances need to happen for it to be transmitted.
"it's a known strain which is not that prone to human/human transmission"
This is correct. Its not prone to spread between humans. I can be in the same room with someone who has it and unless I come into contact with their bodily fluids, the chances of it spreading to me are almost zero.
radiantmoonglow@reddit
You speak with such authority.. would you mind announcing your expertise? From my research it is not rare as seen with the birthday party in Argentina event. (RN)
Ok_Recording81@reddit
It's not a new strain. Its really really hard to get. If it was not how come it has not turned into a pandemic? If was so easy to get, how come it has not become like the common cold? You do you. 11 deaths in Argentina from the party and 3 from the cruise ship. Yeah I'd say its hard to get. It was discovered in 1992 and after searching I could only find a total of 3000 cases of people being infected. Due to the mortality rate of it being 40 percent that would equate 1200 people although I am unable to find total deaths since 1992. Again, not something to be worried about.
radiantmoonglow@reddit
https://www.bmj.com/content/393/bmj.s919
"The birthday party is particularly telling. More than 100 guests attended, the index patient was there for 90 minutes while having symptoms, and secondary cases occurred among people seated up to about 2.5 metres away. One attendee reportedly crossed paths with the index case without physical contact.7 Several transmission events were considered consistent with inhalational exposure, and the investigators concluded that transmission may have occurred through “inhalation of droplets or aerosolized virions.”7 This evidence is precisely the sort that should trigger airborne precautions in light of new cases, not a wait-and-see posture."
Ok_Recording81@reddit
Ok dude. Have fun with your non pandemic andes strain. Wonder why only several people were infected from the cruise ship. Its as if its really hard to get. Its rare. Anyway enjoy. Im done arguing about this.
I guess various health organizations are wrong. Im done.
radiantmoonglow@reddit
Where did I say it's not "really hard to get" or that it's "easy to get". What are your credentials to make these assertions?
Ok_Recording81@reddit
You said from your research it's not rare.
Rare" describes something not common, frequent, or widely found, often implying it is unusual, exceptional, or valuable. It typically refers to events that seldom occur, objects sparse in number, or high-quality, extraordinary talent. It also describes lightly cooked meat
So your claiming its not rare but hard to get?
So I need credentials credentials to make these assertions because I read what it takes to get it from health organizations? Is that a real question? Ok. I will not trust what the WHO says then because I do not have credentials. I guess they are wrong too
-OooWWooO-@reddit
The 34 infections wasnt from a single birthday party:
This virus is not very contagious and it's rare. It is not as infectious as covid and unlikely to sustain transmission. This outbreak in particular is notable because of Patient 2 and his wife Patient 9. The later patients were also in frequent contact with multiple other patients when they were infected. If this incident only resulted in 34 infections, and that's the most unique super spreading event the virus has had. It's not worthy to freak out about andes like it's going to be another pandemic.
radiantmoonglow@reddit
I know that.. that's why I said ensuing cases
NoExternal2732@reddit
https://english.elpais.com/health/2026-05-07/andes-hantavirus-deadly-2018-outbreak-shows-it-is-not-only-transmitted-through-close-contact.html
r/confidentlyincorrect
Ok_Recording81@reddit
Ok. So health organizations are wrong when they say its rare and hard to get. How come no pandemic? How come its not common?
"Andes virus infection cannot be treated as a mere rodent‑borne issue: community transmission is possible" I am not disputing that But you do you. Go ahead and believe this will spread and become a pandemic.
Close Contact:
It can spread through direct physical contact, such as kissing
Respiratory Secretions/Saliva:
Transmission can occur through contact with saliva or respiratory droplets from an infected person
Fyi, respiratory triplets are considered fluids.
Timeframe:
The risk is highest during the early symptomatic stage of the infection.
Key Facts About Spread Person-to-Person
"Casual" Spread:
It does not spread through casual, brief contact like COVID-19 or influenza.
NoExternal2732@reddit
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2009040
The Andres strain of hantavirus is contagious through brief contact, but keep banging that drum if it makes you feel better.
It's not like we have recent experience with getting it wrong! /s
Fomite transmission for sars cov 2 ring a bell?
Ok_Recording81@reddit
Ok dude. In 2 weeks this will be a dead story. I find it very strange for people to be worried about something where the odds are more in facorr of being hit by lightning. I hope you hide in your basement when there is lightning in the sky.
NoExternal2732@reddit
There's nothing wrong with being cautious and lots wrong with acting like you know it all...a fact that as recently as as 6 years ago shut down life as we knew it.
I'm not hiding in a bunker, but you're on a prepping sub, you know that right?
radiantmoonglow@reddit
The guy is a confident moron
NoExternal2732@reddit
They also keep editing their responses, without mentioning it. Probably a troll. Meh.
Amazing_Shirt_Sis@reddit
No, what they said was correct. It's not prone to transmission. It can transmit human-to-human, but it does so poorly.
radiantmoonglow@reddit
Thats relative. Read about the Argentininan super spreader events
BeneficialTrash6@reddit
There's been an awful lot of transmission for a "known strain which is not that prone to human/human transmission."
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit (OP)
Well, there were 140odd passengers on that ship and one woman sat on a plane and went through an airport.
If we were talking COVID, that would have been hundreds infected by now. I don't want to downplay hanta - esp. the Andes strain - but it's important to not jumpt to conclusions.
radiantmoonglow@reddit
Your timeline is way off. Those people could still be incubating.
ClarificationJane@reddit
To be fair, this virus has a six week incubation period, so we wouldn’t be seeing any cases yet from that exposure.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
No. Hantaviruses (virii?) generally aren't contagious between people, and even the Andean variety at question here requires prolonged close contact.
The way this was apparently caught is a birdwatching trip to see some rare Great Tits or whatever at a garbage dump, where rats and mice abound.
sensistarfish@reddit
Some of the passengers did not go to the garbage dump itself though. If that’s the case it is contagious between humans.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
True, but they were all on a very small cruise ship. One with fewer than 200 passengers and just 70 crew. And only 11 cases, some of which were people who did go on that excursion, so the transmission rate is very low.
This isn’t a highly contagious disease like COVID-19.
Ok_Recording81@reddit
No. This is not and will not be a pandemic.
GeorgeKaplanIsReal@reddit
Epidemics happen. Not all of them end of becoming pandemics and certainly not like COVID was.
TheMightyMisanthrope@reddit
This is not gonna get there but. If it does, it's more extinction event and less comfy pandemic that kills less people than traffic in a year with little traffic.
Mochigood@reddit
Are you taking about COVID, because if you are your numbers are...off?
Here's Wikipedia on traffic deaths- "Between 1899 and 2023, there were 3,996,709 traffic fatalities in the United States"
And here's the Wiki estimate for USA COVID deaths- "1,235,885[3] (reported) 1,231,440 (CDC estimate)[7] 1,200,000 (The Economist estimate on January 25, 2022)"
So, so in a few years of the pandemic, we've gotten to around 1/4 of traffic deaths of all time.
TheMightyMisanthrope@reddit
Check the worldwide number of deaths due to traffic. It's 1.2 million or close to it.
blueskies8484@reddit
Worry when someone who wasn’t on the boat is diagnosed. The boat has uniquely good conditions for human to human spread during prime contagious periods. I tend to think they’re underplaying somewhat the potential contagiousness but saving my real concern for if we see any community spread.
albusdumbbitchdor@reddit
Am I mistaken or wasn't there a passenger on a plane with the Dutch woman who died that tested positive?
WalterSickness@reddit
Well you might not be mistaken for too long
AppointmentPopular10@reddit
not yet, multiple people being monitored
Conscious-War5920@reddit
I for one look forward to the new level of dumb that people will get up to. Hopefully a few new wild mask ideas.
SmileMoreBuddy@reddit
So is it more contagious than they’re saying? Everything I’ve seen is doctors and “experts” saying how hard it is to spread it… Was Covid spreading faster than this is now? I’m actually pretty nervous about this… knowing who’s in charge and all.
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit (OP)
Much faster.
cjp2010@reddit
Everyone this outbreak is a great opportunity to show what we learned from COVID and it was not that long ago. So we should be able to put our collective intelligence together and get ahead of this.
Ok_Recording81@reddit
Odds are more likely to get struck by lightning than getting the andes strain. Im not worried about getting hit by lighting.
Thunderclone_1@reddit
Well accordinv to that doctor guy on tik tok, physical contact with the body fluids of an infected person is required for infection.
Guess every infected passenger had a massive orgy
Pete_Provolone@reddit
A few specifics that make pandemic potential for hantavirus extremely low:
No sustained human-to-human transmission for the North American strain (Sin Nombre virus). You essentially can't catch it from another person.
Zoonotic dead end — humans are incidental hosts, not amplifying hosts. The virus circulates in rodent populations and we occasionally stumble into it. Exposure requires fairly direct contact with contaminated rodent material, usually in enclosed spaces with poor ventilation.
It doesn't replicate efficiently enough in humans to develop the kind of transmission chain that a pandemic requires.
Biggie39@reddit
This outbreak goes to 11!!!
Kempo_Kiai@reddit
11…”outbreak”….lol
Phallic_Moron@reddit
Jfc why is anyone worried about this?
ABoutDeSouffle@reddit (OP)
I am not especially worried, but I want to stay informed on this one.
BeefyBoi6_9@reddit
As of now im pretty sure there arent any additional infections right? As in, people who werent on the ship or flight from the ship
craigcraig420@reddit
11 people? 11 people. I’ve seen many different medical professionals from many different news sources saying there’s not much to be concerned about with this strain. Are we monitoring or fear mongering here?
Amazing_Shirt_Sis@reddit
A little of column A, a little of column B. At this point, there's not much reason to worry. This is a strain of hantavirus that transmits human-to-human, but it does so poorly and requires very close contact. The mechanism of spread is not very well-understood because the disease itself is very rare, and it's expected we'll learn a lot from this incident. (Condolences to the accidental guinea pigs.)
Unfortunately, a multi-week cruise ship is basically perfect conditions for that close contact. That's why we're seeing more cases from the cruise ship. We will continue to see more because of the extended incubation period. Probably a couple more people will die.
Right now, nobody not on the boat has confirmed hantavirus. Some people are symptomatic, but they're testing negative. Hantavirus is like most other viral diseases in its early symptoms: fever, muscle aches, nausea, cough. For that reason, we will likely see a number of people who appear symptomatic who we then never hear about again, like the flight attendant. Obviously, we should not fuck around with anybody who presents with the flu and has a known link to the ship. But the nonspecific symptoms mean there will likely be more sound and fury, signifying nothing. We can worry when there's confirmed community transmission.
AppointmentPopular10@reddit
you are clearly not very close to the research overall. if H2H transmission occurs beyond the ship passengers we have a problem. super long incubation period up to 6 or 8 weeks, no clarity on infectiousness window, virus not reliably found with testing, symptoms overlap with normal illnesses, possibly infectious much or a little bit before symptoms, rapid decrease in wellness possible once symptoms occur, no age discrimination, death rate minimum 15%. No pandemic, lots and lots of transmission and death would be the result. Virus is already well out of containment. No likely mutation but not impossible. Pandemic yes/no is not the question. The high death rate is by itself a huge problem.
AppointmentPopular10@reddit
oh also no cure/treatment/vaccine currently - once you are confirmed sick it is a coin toss for you
FunkyPlunkett@reddit
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