What has got better in the UK?
Posted by guhj12345@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 281 comments
It feels like most things in the UK have got worse in recent years:
- quality of food
- shrinkflation
- political landscape is a shambles
- new house build quality
- salaries seem higher but cost of living is ridiculous so your salary goes nowhere
- cost of childcare through the roof
- a personal grievance - cadburys chocolate has become inedible!
- social life/pub scene dropping
- social media impact on people's and children's lives
- whilst not entirely negative, AI has many negative connotations
- NHS struggling year on year
- kids rarely play outside anymore
- VAR in football... ;)
- the list goes on
Lots of the doom and gloom is spread by the medias agenda. And there is always the element of nostalgia that "things used to be better" but doesn't mean its true - we all look back on things with rose tinted glasses.
But what's actually got better?
Harrry-Otter@reddit
Food is definitely better. You can buy almost anything these days. There was a time not so long ago when you had to go to a pharmacy to buy olive oil. Restaurants too are way better than they were 20 or so years ago.
Travel. You can fly to half of Europe for less than the cost of a shirt. Unthinkable at the turn of the millennium.
Entertainment. You’ve got a billion hours of TV, Film, books and music in a tiny device in your pocket. Much better than when we had 5 channels and one didn’t work when it rained.
OhNoDobe@reddit
The variety of food has increased but I'd argue the actual quality of said food per pound spent has gone down significantly. Simply won't get good quality meat unless bought fresh or frozen from a butcher/wholesaler.
she_is_a_parsnip@reddit
Yeah if you go to Tesco. But if you go to a local butcher for meat? Or farm shop for seasonal vegetables?
OhNoDobe@reddit
Then you're paying truly extortionate prices.
GlitteringEbb7363@reddit
If you've ever wanted to know what eating out in 2002 was like, go eat dinner in a Premier Inn.
hrcrss12@reddit
Funny thing is none of these developments can be attributed to uk specifically while most of the things that became worse can.
Huge-Cartoonist6795@reddit
That's a shit outlook to just blanket say 'food is better'.
No its not. We peaked in 2019 and now its shrinkflation and lesser quality chocolate than 2000.
Travel was easier before 2016 and far cheaper.
Entertainment? Worse. Peaked in 2014.
Jesus fuck dude have some critical thinking
Harrry-Otter@reddit
Depends on the timeframe. Is food better now than 5 years ago? Debatable.
Is food better than 25 years ago. Yes.
Huge-Cartoonist6795@reddit
So I'm right then jesus christ 😑
Harrry-Otter@reddit
It’s gonna be a pretty subjective one, but since the thing you highlighted was Cadbury’s chocolate I think we’re probably thinking about very different parts of the market l.
Huge-Cartoonist6795@reddit
Sorry I'm irritable this morning I haven't had my coffee.
Well mean in the sense we had good food quality and size in 2019 but then the quality of many products and the size of products has decreased.
In part that's inflation turning a freddo into 28p item but the quality of the product is less.
Dizzy-Okra-4816@reddit
Apologies for adding a negative spin, but your points on travel and entertainment need caveats.
Whilst in a sense it is positive that air travel is more affordable, it is terrible for the environment and there should never be a scenario where a flight costs less than a train journey. I’m no saint, last year I paid £30 for a return flight from Leeds to Lanzarote. That’s more than a return train to London, just completely wrong.
I believe the plethora of entertainment available to us has dumbed us down and made the population much less politically active.
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
On food quality and selection i think you're right. But you pay for it right? There are deals to be had but largely its very expensive for high quality produce. I get it - fuel, fertiliser, power costs have gone crazy. The general supermarket quality seems lower and smaller. Just an observation I could be wrong.
FarwwellSlavianka@reddit
People who say this stuff are food cart owners trying to lure folks into spending £18 on a jacket potato with cheese
You saw a drastic decrease in meat or any expensive ingredient content post covid, and a hike in price. Essentially, you pay more for less substance. This was a common theme virtually everywhere other than a few generous family-run restaurants running on razor-thin margins.
You can eat well in certain cities, but it'll cost you dearly.
Harrry-Otter@reddit
Food in Britain is cheaper than most places when adjusted for income. Quality of the cheaper end has taken a hit for the reasons you said but the variety in Britain is still very good.
Guess it just depends how you class “good”. The bread in a French supermarket is leagues ahead of the bread in a British one. The selection of Thai food in the British one is a lot better than your average Carrefour.
shizzler@reddit
Even now I'd say the bread in m&s and Waitrose is on par (or even better) than French supermarkets
UpsetKoalaBear@reddit
I do not think people really understand how cheap food is here compared to other countries.
Go to any Scandinavian country and you would rather live off of tinned food.
The only country which is even comparable is Germany.
culturerush@reddit
Mid to late 2000s I was able to book a plane ticket for a backpacking trip that flew from Heathrow to San Francisco, LA to Auckland, Auckland to Sydney, Cairns to Singapore and Bangkok to Heathrow for £900
Agree on the rest tho
Bossman_Mike@reddit
I remember reading an article about a Manchester judge retiring and reflecting on his time in the city, apparently when he first got started there were only two restaurants in the city centre and one of them was inside a hotel.
Harrry-Otter@reddit
My dad was probably of his generation and says the same thing. Apparently Manchester City centre was a ghost town after work hours.
Few-Chipmunk-5957@reddit
Although I agree the things you have listed have got better in the process we have lost a lot more.
The_Dark_Vampire@reddit
People say tv was better back then it really wasn't I've seen scans of for example 80's and 90's TV and looking back a lot of it was crap we watched it because there was nothing else to watch.
I remember watching some shows not because I really liked them but because at least it was better than what was on the other side
g_force76@reddit
I think you got your timeline about messed up. You had a range of olive oil in basic supermarkets when I was at uni in the 90s. I'm talking Tesco not some fancy shit .
You could definitely take cheap flights with ryanair, easyJet etc in the 2000s and actually, since COVID, budget flights are increasingly hard to find.
But totally agree on restaurant, eating out food quality. Pubs are much better, better choice, more quality food markets. Although The Fat Duck was only a few years from being best restaurant in the world so already things were getting better at the top end.
And yes, TV entertainment and choice is way way better than it used to be, although that is nothing to do with UK (all that tech comes from US).
Harrry-Otter@reddit
I mean I was pretty young at the time but I definitely recall flying being expensive in the 90s. Maybe you’re right and by 2000 it was dropping though.
The olive oil one admittedly was before my time, but I do remember having to go to the specialist shop to get a lot of stuff that any supermarket stocks now. Spices mostly.
zagblorg@reddit
Flying was expensive in the 90s, that's why we all took car ferries to Europe back then. It was in the 2000s that the budget airlines started to make flying more accessible.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
I remember going to France in like 1994 and my dad having to paint yellow lacquer on our headlights.
donalmacc@reddit
Flying has had its ups and downs. In and around 2010-2014 I could fly from Ireland to Edinburgh cheaper than I could get from my flat to the airport. Return flights to mainland Europe for < £20 return were “common” too
KhaelonVoss@reddit
"Flying has had its ups and downs"
Puns haven't improved though
donalmacc@reddit
I was very proud of thatz
Altruistic_Fruit2345@reddit
Food availability got much worse after Brexhit. As did a lot of things.
Vast-Aardvark5857@reddit
Gluten free food in particular! People are finally giving more options than brownie or flapjack. And gluten free bread more in restaurants.
PsychologySpecific16@reddit
Heck you can travel to Japan for under a grand. Which is pretty insane when you think about it.
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
Most of those made sense 20 years ago. Travel is exponentially higher than just five years ago, and the quality of current entertainment is debateable.
g00gleb00gle@reddit
It’s not expensive compare to alot of the world
ras2703@reddit
These aren’t specific to the uk though really are they?
BroodLord1962@reddit
I'm in my 60's now and my parents bought olive oil from our local grocery store
EmFan1999@reddit
Food has got a lot worse. Check the ingredients list. It’s nearly all UPF and very bad for you
Harrry-Otter@reddit
Is it? There’s aisles full of non-UPFs in every supermarket. The variety of fresh fruit and vegetables you can get now is probably the best it’s ever been.
EmFan1999@reddit
No it really isn’t. Might be better choice superficially than the 80s and 90s but we have lost the majority of our heritage varieties and the nutrient quality of fresh fruit and veg is severely depleted.
Also the freshness and quality is worse - I buy from M&S which is still pretty good but the lower tier supermarkets eg tescos are not
Saw_Boss@reddit
I'm 42 and do not recall this time existing.
Dictatorsmith@reddit
It was a pre early 80s thing, but as a 42 year old you’d realise food choices in restaurants and supermarkets were terrible
Saw_Boss@reddit
Yeah, if you're going back to the 80s. But by the late 90s/early 2000s, cooking had come on a long way. And that's 26 years ago, so hardly something recent.
zagblorg@reddit
Didn't work when it rained? I grew up in the South and Channel 5 just plain didn't work! Supposedly it was something to do with sharing a broadcast frequency with a Belgian TV channel.
Dry_Action1734@reddit
What on earth is the link between a pharmacy and olive oil?
Harrry-Otter@reddit
People used it as medicine for blocked ears and to rub on skin (you can still buy it as ear drops now).
I guess nobody ever thought of eating it until we’d exorcised the demon that was Isabella Beeton from our kitchens.
Choice-Demand-3884@reddit
The Brits-could-only-buy-olive-oil-at-chemists-trope is a myth.
Unless by some weird quirk the only place that sold it back in the 70s was Keighley Morrisons.
Harrry-Otter@reddit
I’ve got a morbid fascination with very dated cookery books. There’s one I’ve got that definitely advises people to try the local chemist for olive oil (granted, it was probably published in 50s/60s).
escapingfromelba@reddit
Old gardening books are interesting too, if only because most of the chemicals are banned.
Choice-Demand-3884@reddit
There was a lot of influence from Mediterranean holidays for my parents generation back in the 60s and 70s. Cooking/entertaining was a big thing. It was seen as modern and aspirational. This was in a Yorkshire mill town, not Hampstead.
I'm sure it was different for my grandparents (even without stuff like the Depression and then rationing).
terryjuicelawson@reddit
I think it was real, but goes back more like immediately post war when people did start coming here from countries like Italy.
Centi9000@reddit
Delia Smith used it on TV one time in the early 90s. That episode alone caused all the chemists to immediately sell out of olive oil, and created the demand for it in supermarkets.
Zealousideal_Fold_60@reddit
I remember going to Barcelona in the 90s for £20.. you are thinking of the 70s
SatisfactionMoney426@reddit
But M&S are selling shirts at £125, many are over £100 - that was unthinkable 25 years ago ...
Ghengiz@reddit
The food is infinitely better. Just an example but Sainsburys' inhouse bakery produces shockingly good bread compared to what we used to eat in the 90s where it felt like branded sliced bread was the only option. I genuinely feel the negative global perception of British food (particularly compared to Southern Europe or Asia) was actually justified until we got deep into the 2000s.
Homophobia and racism are still there but it's hard to understate how widespread throwing around slurs about gay people was. Even beneath the slurs, there was this understated collective consciousness that being gay was some shameful thing, even if we couldn't rationally explain it.
Climate change is obviously a bad thing but damn I enjoying the warmer summers.
Amore91@reddit
The job market is taking care of the ‘salaries higher’ part. I have an interview today for the same salary as I made ten years ago. 🤦🏻♂️
AirlineSevere7456@reddit
Yeah I've seen real salaries drop for highly skilled work too. Can earn twice as much in Europe or three times more in the US.
Alarmed-Newspaper994@reddit
I love how people throw around outlandish claims about the market as a whole without sharing a single detail
AfternoonLines@reddit
You also have to spend 3 times, if not more on everything in the US.
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
Cost of living is lower in USA.
AfternoonLines@reddit
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
It is. Way lower. Food is cheaper, housing is cheaper, consumer goods are cheaper. Energy is cheaper. Gas is cheaper.
What's more expensive? Health insurance? Majority of people get it through their work, their same work that pays them 2-3x what the same job pays in UK. Their fees are a couple hundred a month usually even if their employer is paying way more than that. But they're getting thousands more a month gross.. then the difference between net income is even higher...
Literally one line item is more there.
paulmclaughlin@reddit
Which is ok until you lose your job.
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
Okay sure but many of us are in constant employment without career breaks for 40 years.
paulmclaughlin@reddit
Which doesn't affect my statement.
Pst performance is no guarantee of future results. Businesses close and surprise employees.
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
Good for you. Lol it doesn't make usa more expensive to live than UK.
paulmclaughlin@reddit
Of course it does, how can you possibly not understand that?
But I don't know why I'm bothering to engage with a word-word-number account that has hidden their comments anyway.
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
I've made a stronger argument with Better evidence than you. Your argument sounds very emotional.
AfternoonLines@reddit
Amore91@reddit
He’s right, throwing stupid GIF’s at him like an invalid doesn’t dismiss any of the points he has raised.
AfternoonLines@reddit
I don't treat any of this idiotic american propaganda as worth spending time discussing with idiots, you just laugh at it/them and call it a day. He’s acting like “health insurance is one line item” while Americans are crowdfunding insulin and afraid to call an ambulance.
Also funny how every 'USA is cheaper' argument quietly ignores:
no guaranteed holiday
no guaranteed sick pay
na maternity pay
childcare costs that resemble a mortgage in the UK
property taxes forever
tipping culture
university debt until your grandkids pay it off
I could spend a whole afternoon listing things that are ridiculously more expensive than they are here in the UK and I probably wouldn't even get through half of them. The last one that got me was the cost of mobile contracts, I paid more per month there than I paid here for a whole year.
But yeah, eggs are now just twice as expensive as in the UK and not five times so clearly paradise achieved!
Few-Chipmunk-5957@reddit
It actually is lower for the yanks, we’ve always been taken advantage of when it comes to tax over here.
We also have a failing state pension model that somehow we can’t seem to afford.
AfternoonLines@reddit
You wanna be laughed at as well spreading that ridiculous American propaganda here? Almost everything is significantly more expensive there 😂
BalthazarOfTheOrions@reddit
I was very tempted by the US for a long time until I started to get a feel for just how much money you also have to spend.
Prices might be okish on some fronts, but every single little thing comes with a price tag of its own and it racks up really quickly.
randomguuid@reddit
My American colleagues are quite open about discussing their pay in meetings, it's pretty demoralising, 3x my salary. My role usually nets around £50K in RSUs, but after tax and all said and done you'll take home less than half, and split over 4 years. Their RSUs are often in the $200-300K range. We do the same damn job.
gregRichards2002@reddit
The cost of healthcare and property taxes they will be paying is significantly higher than in the U.K., though. Even if you have a great level of health insurance, you still have to pay out thousands of dollars in deductibles, and the price of medications for serious and chronic conditions can be astronomical. My Crohn's medication is $23,800 a dose in the U.S., and the U.K. list price to the NHS is £3,326.09 every eight weeks. It is common for American healthcare insurance providers to cancel coverage for medications even if they are working for patients because they consider them to be too expensive, and patients are forced to change to cheaper options that are less effective or don’t work at all for them. Forbes estimates that two-thirds of personal bankruptcies in the U.S. are due to healthcare costs or illness-related loss of work.
merryman1@reddit
I'm currently sitting on a job offer from the US. Total pay will be nearly 100% higher, I'd be living in a lovely part of the country one of the wealthiest and most developed parts of the world, local hospital is one of the best in the US which again makes it one of the best in the world. My insurance plan would cost about $200/month and then give me an annual deductibles cap of $2,500. Maybe I'm missing something but from my understanding that's a total of $4,900/year for full access to whatever I need, which will be much quicker and higher quality than anything I can get from the NHS. Its a no-brainer, my monthly salary will be increasing by nearly that much anyway. Rent is slightly more expensive but again only a few $100/month and what you get is so huge I don't think I'd even know what to do with all the space. You can still buy a 2nd hand car for well under $10k, last time I was out there I drove about 1,000 miles on $100 worth of gas...
txe4@reddit
Yep.
Take the offer.
Brits are almost preposterously blinkered about US standard of living and healthcare.
Brits love to get hysterical about US medical bills (with headline figures that no one actually pays) and fetishise the NHS. With a good health plan in the US you will pay a deductible, that is fact. But you will then get world-leading medical care, promptly and efficiently, in a clean modern facility where stuff actually works.
As for standard of living, it sucks to be poor over there. But any kind of professional job here, makes you ludicrously poor compared to the US equivalent. Their houses and vehicles are bigger and far more comfortable. As Britain enshittifies the gap in day to day experience is becoming vast - far more stuff over there Just Works which here is a frustrating slog.
My US colleagues are on 2-2.5x the total comp which comes out more like 3x after tax unless they have chosen to beggar themselves by living in a high tax state. Stock based compensation widens the gap still further as they not only get more, but it is taxed extremely punitively here.
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
Total cost of living is LOWER in the USA.
Neither_Computer5331@reddit
Can you move? Do 5-10 years there and that’ll bring your retirement forward a few years if you plan correctly.
Ok_Raspberry5383@reddit
Where are you earning twice as much in Europe and for what role?
Alarmed-Newspaper994@reddit
Man just don't ask Redditors about their salaries, it's all whinging and of course anecdotal
Salaries are going up, albeit slowly, even in real terms. Growth has slowed down, but it's still growth. If your salary hasn't changed in 10 years, it's most likely on you.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/933075/wage-growth-in-the-uk/
No_Doubt_About_That@reddit
Just getting interviews would be nice tbh
Amore91@reddit
It gets old quickly... I’d rather have fewer but with a real chance of getting a DECENT job. Instead of ticking boxes or having 15 years of experience only to be offered essentially entry-level stuff.
Fine-State8014@reddit
Good luck anyway
randomguuid@reddit
My internet speed, 2Gbps.
My hairline after I started taking dutasteride and minoxidil, does that count?
Alarmed-Newspaper994@reddit
Has your hairline actually improved, or just stopped getting worse? How much do you use it?
First-Act-8752@reddit
This is a really important one and the first that came to my mind. Whilst there are still places that don't have the best access, the majority of the country's infrastructure is at least on Fibre networks now.
It was something that Thatcher's government put a stop to in the early 90s, because they felt it was anti-competition for BT to be rolling out the whole infrastructure and holding a "monopoly" on the network.
That decision set us back decades, and meant the majority of the country was still on copper by the early 2010s, whilst in places like the Netherlands they had Fibre access to the most remote countryside locations, and in South Korea they were looking at multi Gbps speeds.
Personally I'm really glad we finally caught up and made that right, even if it did take decades.
cleavedHeadToButt@reddit
Used to work for plusnet in 2011. My god ADSL2 was still the main product, fibre to the cabinet was only being rolled out in major cities, even major towns didn't have fttc then.
Meanwhile rEU and South Korea were smashing past the 500Mbps sound barrier lol.
To make it worse, rural locations got charged more, for slower speeds! We're talking sub 10Mbps
one_pint_down@reddit
I'm still living with 38Mb/s because Openreach forgot about my building when upgrading my city to full fibre.
KeyJunket1175@reddit
>My internet speed, 2Gbps.
Oh I wish, around here it's still early 2000's technology.
Fine-State8014@reddit
Cheese. Lots of small dairies and specialist shops now selling amazing cheese.
Particular-Bid-1640@reddit
That video of the Italians trying English cheese and cider made me way too happy
Fine-State8014@reddit
I've not seen it but we do make amazing cheese and cider
Alarmed-Newspaper994@reddit
One of the UK's biggest mistakes is not getting in on protecting the names of its food. France, Spain and Italy have loads but we've got almost none. Imagine if the Americans had to actually buy their cheese from the UK to call it cheddar. We'd be exporting billions of pounds of cheese to them every year.
mikeybhoy_1985@reddit
what video is that? is it on youtube?
EmFan1999@reddit
But it’s also got worse as hardly any of it is made from unpasteurised milk so it’s not as good for you
Fine-State8014@reddit
https://www.thecourtyarddairy.co.uk/shop/category/buy-cheese/
Almost all unpasteurised
EmFan1999@reddit
Yes from that type of thing, not in supermarkets. But also don’t forget this was the norm a few decades ago. It’s just having a bit of a revival now thankfully
roderickli@reddit
Our pride soared.
33backagain@reddit
It kind of depends on you timeframe. If you look longer term most things are better. If you expect everything to get better every few years, you’re going to need to re-adjust your expectations.
she_is_a_parsnip@reddit
If you go to Tesco to buy “fresh” produce you really only have yourselves to blame 🙈
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
the renters rights bill is a great step in the right direction, easier to get a place if you've got pets or receive benefits.
Important-Snow3944@reddit
The bill will (and is currently) causing landlords to nope tf out the market. This will push up rents.
Just because a situation is currently bad does not mean government regulation cannot make it worse.
trade-da-ting@reddit
Gonna absolutely ruin the rental market but suppose that's fine
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
and it's been so good upto now.
trade-da-ting@reddit
Nah it's been shit. But just because something's shit doesn't mean it can't get worse
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
looks way better to me so I'm happy.
AirconGuyUK@reddit
When in a year rents have increased record amount just remember what you said in this moment. Remember your comment.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
I'm a bit concerned that we've chased away Bob and Margaret supplementing their meagre pension with a 1-bed flat in Walsall, but instead replacing them with big corporates with big lawyers.
AirconGuyUK@reddit
I think the main problem will just be a shrink in supply of rental properties. I don't think Bob and Margret will necessarily be selling to corporate on average. Most like FTBers which is good for buyers right now, don't get me wrong. But renters (so people without £10-40k in the bank at this moment in time) will be screwed.
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
lol okay, and you know I'll blame the landlords :)
trade-da-ting@reddit
Yeah course it does, guessing you aren't in the market for a rental right now
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
I'm in the market of tiny violins and prices are due to skyrocket.
trade-da-ting@reddit
Sure, same with the people who lived in rent controls flats. They also didn't give a shit that their cities were absolutely fucked, because they had a nice cheap rental. Forget good quality jobs or anyone else living there, gotta slam that drawbridge shut
Emergency-Assist-421@reddit
It doesn’t change the situation with regards benefits, those will show up in affordability checks so the LL can just turn you down there and plenty of trivially easy ways to ban pets.
Obvious-Water569@reddit
It'll be good while it lasts. As soon as reform get in that'll be all kinds of fucked.
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
and people will have to choose between their pets or living somewhere.
Obvious-Water569@reddit
That's not even the concerning thing.
Slum landlords, price gouging and retaliatory evictions will go through the roof.
AirconGuyUK@reddit
Slumlords are already breaking the law so new laws don't make a difference.
Obvious-Water569@reddit
The ones that aren't doing the shit now purely out of fear of being prosecuted will join their ranks.
Happy_Little_Fish@reddit
okay but I'm saving all my empathy for cats.
reachisown@reddit
It's ok though because some minorities will suffer as well...
rabid-fox@reddit
Awaabs law too
Silent-Chicken-6628@reddit
Vaccines, tech jobs, finances jobs, pl standard, ryanair
DarknessIsFleeting@reddit
Immigration has literally never fallen asquickly as it is currently falling. Since records began, no 2 year period has even gotten close to the reduction in immigration that the country has experienced in the last two years. Down by about 70%
Apparently this is a good thing
WaldenVolk@reddit
Also driven my emigration of EU and UK citizens…
FormalLeadership2109@reddit
Because the country's gone so shite nobody wants to immigrate here anymore 😂
Westgateplaza@reddit
GOV.UK has improved a lot. Much more variety of restaurants to eat in than ever before too.
Only_Appeal_5403@reddit
Air quality a smidge I suppose 🤔.
Variety of food for sure.
General safety in products and working life. It's part of what makes things so expensive but the consequences of not doing it are too severe.
Noise pollution is maybe declining too with all the electric buses.
FarwwellSlavianka@reddit
From the perspective of an ethnic minority, I'd say social mobility has improved for a lot of us who came from struggling first-generation immigrant families. There's also less discrimination when it comes to promotion to more senior or lead positions. I don't believe it's because we're more tolerant and open-minded than before (I'd argue the opposite). But for more pragmatic reasons, for the sole fact that ethnic minorities are over-represented in the STEM fields more than anything else.
TheCannyLad@reddit
Plenty of answers for you in this thread but as someone approaching half a century on this planet I'd like to address some of your points OP, as to what you perceive is getting worse:
quality of food No not at all, there's more selection and better quality than ever before. I eat really well these days. Food was largely fairly crap quality when I was teen.
shrinkflation True
political landscape is a shambles Yes, but it always was. Thatcher and the poll tax, miners strikes, Blair with his war (even if I actually think he was a decent PM otherwise).
new house build quality Nope. Try living in a new build built in the 80s/90s, sound proofing wasn't even remotely a thing, and the quality of the houses was no better really than now, they've always been built to a cost, but new houses are better designed, better insulation and sound proofing than before.
salaries seem higher but cost of living is ridiculous so your salary goes nowhere True but not only a UK issue, living standards are increasing all over the world for various reasons.
cost of childcare through the roof Can't comment, possibly true though as my parents had access to a play scheme through their work which meant I could be looked after for free, but then they worked for the civil service.
a personal grievance - cadburys chocolate has become inedible! I think there's an element of rose tinted glasses going on here, it used to be good only because there were few better alternatives. There are now. To say it's inedible is hyperbole, but there are much better options available.
social life/pub scene dropping Yes and no. There are pubs closing and whatnot but at least in my local city, night life is alive and well. Issue is cost and health consciousness. Most people can't afford to go out 3 nights every weekend like they used to, and many people simply drink less or don't drink, but there's still plenty of night life if you look for it.
social media impact on people's and children's lives Very much agreed but again not a UK issue.
whilst not entirely negative, Al has many negative connotations True to a certain degree, but it's made my job easier and frankly made it more accessible, which I guess those who gatekeep particular jobs don't like, and again not a UK issue.
NHS struggling year on year Always has. Do a bit research and you'll find that the media has always reported the NHS being on the verge of collapse every winter for decades, probably as long as I've been alive. Subjectively healthcare is about as good as it was, some parts arguably worse, some better.
kids rarely play outside anymore Not really true in my experience.
VAR in football... ;) I'll give you that one. But football generally is crap now, it's all about the money. Long gone are the days of local teams having local lads playing an honest game. It's just foreigners and snowflakes who dive if you so much as brush a finger past them.
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
Thank you for your thoughtful response!
New-Replacement-7638@reddit
Wine
Obvious-Water569@reddit
Beer as well.
The American craft been scene has really helped push british beer in a good direction. Before about 2005 your options were shitty macro lager or flat, warm fart-smelling ale.
zagblorg@reddit
Now nobody has real ale, just loads of over-hopped IPAs that bar staff will tell you are real ale. Didn't realise it was the Yanks fault beer got rubbish. I'm happy for those who like it but it sucks for real ale fans.
Comfortable-Face4593@reddit
Correct which taste of fucking mango. As usual USA sensitisation of anything nice.
h00dman@reddit
Alcohol free beers in particular have improved. I can be out with friends or family and enjoy a lager instead of having to have pepsi or lemonade every time.
Ok-Willingness-6815@reddit
The issue is macro larger has 100% got worse and that's what most people drink. Whether is just shrinkflation or alcohol tax or something else, the abv of most beers has decreased and loads are now have glucose syrup as an ingredient to make them even cheaper to produce
PerLin107@reddit
Definately beer.
eairy@reddit
It's always wiiiiiiiiine, isn't it?
SunWarri0r@reddit
"What do you want on your cornflakes, darlin''?
"Oh I'll have some wiiine, please!"
glibduck@reddit
Delivery times. If you bought something mail order in the early 90s you often had to wait a couple of weeks for stuff (remember "please allow 28 days for delivery"). Now we often get it the same day.
Getting your weekly supermarket shop delivered. I was an early adopter in the early 00's and on my first Tesco delivery there was loads of substitutes. One amusing one was substituting a loaf of bread with flour and yeast. Now it's so simple and mistakes are rare or easily rectified.
Takeaway food deliveries. We can order pretty much whatever we want to eat just by poking our black rectangles 5 times.
znv142@reddit
This is a hot take, but I really don't think the take away order is a good thing. It's so tempting and overpriced and you can get amazingly delicious very unhealthy food just by tapping a few buttons and going to the front door. Quite bad for health and your wallet.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
I do get takeaways, but when I go to Sainsbury's and look at the screen on the scanner gun and find I've got two bags full of stuff for the same price as last weekend's Chinese, it does make you think.
znv142@reddit
I agree, it's bonkers. Sainsbury is too expensive too. It's basically M and S prices without the quality. I personally stick to Lidl/Asda/Aldi.
Fantastic-Dingo-5806@reddit
Whether it's good is subjective to you. It's definitely a quality of life improvement.
znv142@reddit
I dunno man, it's food that mostly makes you fat, delivered by someone who is likely barely making ends meet, while a big US company gets insanely rich.
I'd argue most people's lives will be far better if they had to walk for 10 minutes to get, have a chat with the person and then come back.
(or have the take away employ someone and pay all their benefits and pensions).
glibduck@reddit
It's an optional benefit. Like the abundance of good quality ales and lagers these days.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
I remember that you had to call between 9 and 5 to request your free catalogue, or send them an SAE.
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
Good points! Being born in 90 - my whole adult life I've been used to takeaways being normal. To my parents generarion it was a treat only a handful of times a year
zagblorg@reddit
There were still lots of takeaways in the 90s, you just usually had to go and pick it up rather than it being delivered. That or you had to phone them to order, which often resulted in a challenging conversation with someone who wasn't great at English trying to explain both your address and your order, then have cash/a cheque to pay the delivery driver.
JammyE7@reddit
Cancer survival rates are improving all the time. Fewer people dieing from heart attacks.
cpbradshaw@reddit
Internet..... That's about it
jtuk180@reddit
I mean it is a case of "since when". But regardless of how you answer that, the answer to the OP is "not a lot"
cozywit@reddit
I got my new passport in like 3 days.
Took photo sunday in one of those photo booths, took code to passport website Sunday night ordered, delivered Wednesday.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
I moved house last year and had to replace my driving licence, the photo on there was already 8 years old so I started over.
Used one of those booths that e-mails you the photo and uploaded that to the DVLA website. The licence arrived 'late' thanks to Royal Mail but was postmarked bang on time.
MooMorris@reddit
Passports and driving licences are also very quick and easy to renew, takes less than 5mins and online so no need to even go outside to do it. Both arrived within a week without paying for express.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
My mum turned 70 and needed to renew her driving licence. She already had a very new and current passport so opted to just reuse the photo.
This was a Sunday afternoon and the passport came in Tuesday morning's post.
Holska@reddit
Absolutely loved the automatic upload when I redid my passport
celeronu@reddit
You can take the photo on your phone as well
Randomfinn@reddit
I’m a dual national and the UK passport renewal after not having one for a couple of decades was SUCH a weird experience - so easy, using my own phone for the photo, everything online.
cozywit@reddit
...
Fffffffffuuuuuccccjkkkk
merryman1@reddit
Honestly UK Public IT Infrastructure in general. I know we love to moan but Gov.UK and a host of other online UK public services are literally unparalleled globally.
gander8622@reddit
Same, request for a renewal on Thursday. Posted my old passport Friday. They received it this morning, it's been approved, printed and will be delivered tomorrow.
Pretty decent if you ask me.
Dodgely@reddit
I ordered a license/sticker for my green garden waste bin 2 weeks ago and it still hasn't arrived yet. Should have got a passport instead
esper_wing@reddit
I left it until about 7 weeks before I went on holiday to renew my passport last year and was worried it wouldn't come through in time given I'd seen some people online waiting up to 11 weeks during the pandemic. Got the new one within a week.
Duke_Tristan@reddit
I couldn't believe how fast it was. I remember waiting weeks on end before.
RighteousRambler@reddit
Violence and teen pregnancy is down.
Walking through town centres in the 2000s was a wild time dodging townies trying to start on you and pregnant kids with strollers.
Bossman_Mike@reddit
Dundee was once the teen pregnancy capital of Europe, from what I remember.
jnpesquire@reddit
Convenience has drastically improved. Delivery everything - probably a bad thing really and a symptom of excessive consumerism, but so great at the same time.
There are way more restaurant options, northern city centres are generally wayyyy nicer and more gentrified. There's more "activity" venues than ever before. The population as a whole is picking up healthier habits, there are far more runners, walkers, hikers, and gym goers. Impressively the number of people who do sports at an elite level is through the roof.
I would even argue there are more attractive people than ever before.
Existing_Canary_5723@reddit
Racism has improved - randomers are not going to tell you racist jokes any more and assume that it's an ok thing to do.
PC6626@reddit
If you think flying is cheap you should fly with kids during a school holiday. Parents are subsidising cheap flights. Ie it is the differential that has increased.
solid-north@reddit
I think a lot of thingms have improved in social and cultural terms in the past few decades. I talk to people in my parents' generation who still think men and women can't be just friends and find it weird that I have a lot of female friends and this strikes me as a bizarre take, which is a good thing; Section 28 was a thing when I was a kid and trans people, although still sadly an unwilling pawn in the culture wars, are generally more visible and accepted; things like autism and ADHD and even anxiety and depression are things you might actually admit to having or thinking you might have; I think overall there's a bit more common sense prevailing.
Important-Light627@reddit
Beer, so many good small breweries around!
Choice-Demand-3884@reddit
Real sourdough bread in supermarkets.
We're no longer confined to 'sourfaux' or bricks of tasteless chorleywood process pap in various disguises
EmFan1999@reddit
What sour dough is that? Barely any of it is non UPF
Converzati@reddit
Jason’s Sourdough brand is non UPF and good
RedVioletBlueWhite@reddit
Most people can view their medical records and request prescriptions online
RedVioletBlueWhite@reddit
No more live exports
RedVioletBlueWhite@reddit
Microchipping cats and dogs is now a legal requirement
RedVioletBlueWhite@reddit
Some people/places being more aware/understanding of different disabilities and needs.
Jesterstear99@reddit
Air quality.
Now I can smell a coal fire half a mile away, someone smoking at the end of the street, and if a diesel van passes by. Although that sounds like it isn't better, my point is that I can smell these things because they are the exception now, a few years ago the air was full of smoke & grime.
txe4@reddit
Facts.
It’s rare to even see a smoky vehicle now.
The stink of pubs was really something else…although we did lose a lot of pubs to the smoking ban and if I could go back I wouldn’t make it mandatory. Our local lost its soul and lots of its regulars.
People love to piss and moan about pollution now but we used to have pea souper fog and a coal fire in literally every building; every motor vehicle stank to high heaven (leaded petrol, too). We also have unbelievably clean waterways full of fish whereas as recently as the 80s they were all poisoned lifeless wastes.
Optimal_Collection77@reddit
I've lost a lot of weight and got 2 cool cats
txe4@reddit
Cat tax please
petethepete2000@reddit
They are fixing the mess post war architects made of British city centres, with lots of green spaces, pedestrianised areas, prettier architecture than the Brutalist buildings, skyscrapers in northern cities.. and they are planting trees everywhere (at least around me in my average ex mill town).. they are renovating all the old mills into nice apartments, in fact ive never seen so much energy and redevelopment happening everywhere.. the supermarkets are full of luxury food someones buying.. they build a lot of bigger houses than they used to be, ensuites and downstairs toilets, utility rooms as standard on every spare bit of land.. walk down literally any main road in the UK and count the amount of posh cars that pass you, the roads are full of Range Rovers, BMWs, Jags.. a lot of visible wealth and improvements going on if you look around you anywhere in the UK
BJWJ96@reddit
The government. Not perfect but infinitely better than the last lot of cunts.
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Brizzledude65@reddit
Well summed up.
PsychologySpecific16@reddit
Ship building.
One of the vanishingly few sucess stories in defence over the last 3 decades.
There was a cyle of "feast and famine" where Gov would order ships in spurts. This meant during the time there was no orders, vital skills were lost and when there was orders, there wasn't the industrial capacity to complete them quickly.
Yet that has been turned around, additional capacity, long order lines and the skills are (mostly) there.
It took a good decade to achieve but worth it.
It's night and day.
Interesting-Lead-788@reddit
The ability to claim and be paid more benefits. Never had the raft of benefits all those years ago.
sharpied79@reddit
Incompetent and corrupt politicians (only interested in lining their own pockets) is definitely one thing the UK has got better at 😉
No-Honeydew7467@reddit
Nhs wait lists are going down. Increase in working from home
CappriGirl@reddit
All this is heartening (heartbreaking?!? Maybe both 🤣) given I'm about to move back from Europe. 😭😭😭😭 Deeply concerned about fruit and veg quality after years away. 😭
flyingteapott@reddit
Cans of Draught Guinness. I can remember when they first launched with the widget, and over the years they have improved it several times.
Absolutely everything else has got worse.
glasgowgeg@reddit
The price to regularly go to the cinema, it's never been more affordable.
My Cineworld unlimited card when I signed up in 2007 was £17.99/month, that would be about £31/month these days.
I moved to odeon, but I'm still only paying £15.99/month, and Cineworld was £12.99/month last year.
Whulad@reddit
UK government digital is top notch - tax returns/IR, DVR , Passports, etc etc
UK banks are basically free and again their digital stuff is first class. I mean we’re ahead of most countries on this.
PS it’s been about 50 years since you couldn’t by Olive Oil easily!
leenoc@reddit
Human rights across the board. Things are better now for women, gays, ethnic minorities, disabled, trans and whatever other marginalised group you care to think of.
Things are far from perfect but compared to attitudes towards marginalised people from the 70s/80s/90s, we've come a long way.
Defiant-Toe-4044@reddit
cringe, everyone has always had the same rights.. those things you are referencing are actually propped up over the default
Kris0r@reddit
You realise it used to be illegal to be gay right?
Defiant-Toe-4044@reddit
if you want to play that game, there used to be a time when nobody had any rights at all.. eh OP is referring to RECENT years
Kris0r@reddit
Can you estimate the difference between when everybody had zero rights and when it was finally legal to be homosexual? Is one infinitely closer to recent years than the other?
Defiant-Toe-4044@reddit
you know full well how recent he is on about
Any_Log_7497@reddit
Beer. That's all. Beer. Beer has got better.
markvauxhall@reddit
Online shopping
Food delivery
Range and quality of food in restaurants/ pubs
EV charging infrastructure
Cycling infrastructure (still poor, but getting better)
Lower pollution
Better recycling
Trains and buses (I know this will get some flack but compared to 20 years ago I find them a lot better)
Broadband speeds
Quality of coffee shops
Kids playspaces at museums / attractions / National Trust properties (all the ones near me seem to have invested a lot in this in recent years)
Ok-Nobody6221@reddit
Buses in London peaked when Ken Livingstone was mayor and it's been declining since. I'm glad it's getting better elsewhere. TBF buses in London are probably still better than most parts of the country
SatisfactionMoney426@reddit
Public transport - tfl is massively better than it was when I started commuting in the 80s. It was absolutely filthy and slow and dingy. It still gets complaints but It's much better than it was..
rabid-fox@reddit
Scottrail is still like that ha
rolotonight@reddit
Medical cannabis
piscoponcho@reddit
I do think our GP system - at least for me, has improved. No calling at 8 am and queueing.
I got an appointment, blood test and the results all in 6 days.
Only waited about 5 minutes for my appointment at the GP and about 30 seconds for my blood test
rabid-fox@reddit
Opposite for me went from being able to call anytime to only calling between 8:30 and 11. That appointment is a triage appointment so essentially an appointment to make an appointment. Cant even email them for results now either.
Ok-Nobody6221@reddit
I can see my results on the NHS app? Is that available by you?
Etheria_system@reddit
Yeah my GPs are fantastic - fill in a simple form online about what the issue is, name the day and the doctor I want and it’s all booked in. Had a phone appointment yesterday for something that took less than 5 minutes and because the doctor could request for me to send photos in advance of the issue alongside my description in the request form, she already knew what it was and we didn’t need to waste time talking about it
Neither_Computer5331@reddit
But it’s noticeably worse than when I was a child. We had home visits, out of hours services and we saw the same doctor every time. Mainly got appointments on the day as well, or parents could book ahead for non urgent stuff.
SatisfactionMoney426@reddit
It's very hit and miss though, My GP recently wanted a Blood Test from me ASAP but the appointment is 2 weeks at the earliest. But at the hospital outpatients, different reasons, yesterday they took blood immediatel at 2pm and I had the results online by evening. The 'within a month' cancer follow up is nearly 7 months now. An op that was provisionally 'in a month or so' back in November with a 6 week or so waiting list is now 27 weeks ...
piscoponcho@reddit
Of course, my father has been on a waitlist for over a year to be seen regarding his Parkinson’s.
It’s not perfect, but my personal opinion on improvement is not having to call at 8 am for an appointment anymore - not to say the NHS is perfect
Stackhouse7489@reddit
Arsenal.
MannyBobblechops@reddit
Cycling infrastructure in most major cities has improved greatly.
Sufficient_Muffin586@reddit
r/goodnewsuk
Petrichor_ness@reddit
Gender equality in the work place - still has a long way to go but my first job out of uni, I had a boss (the business owner) who used to brag about taking pics up women's skirts on a night out. He'd also routinely make comments about how it must be my time of the month if I didn't laugh at his stupid jokes, all women are too emotional etc.
15 years later, if a man acted like this today and routinely said these things in open meetings, he wouldn't get away with it.
Petrichor_ness@reddit
Mental health - it's nowhere near perfect but when I was born in the 80s, my mother was diagnosed with 'unspecified hysteria'
I now know that had she had a postnatal depression and autism diagnosis, so many lives would have been so much better.
RessurectedAccount@reddit
Jailing people for being offensive whilst letting off sex offenders , robbers and thugs. So if you are the type that gets offended a lot then things have got better for u.
Bernardozila@reddit
I’d refute a few things on that list:
- salaries have been rising faster than inflation
- childcare is now subsidised at 30h per week from 9 months instead of 2y, saving people thousands per year.
- apparently NHS waiting lists are going down
Commercial_Tune_373@reddit
While Cadbury’s has got worse, I’d like to counterpoint that other brands are becoming more available and better quality. Supermarket chocolate always used to be the cheap rubbish, but now the Waitrose chocolate is some of the best out there now! (It’s expensive, but it uses the non-slavery routes set up by Tony’s and I think luxury items are worth paying for to be ethical!)
simonk1905@reddit
A lot of things people seem to take for granted or are just not aware of have improved massively in the recent past.
AIDS is no longer a death sentence.
Polio has been eradicated.
That is just two that I know about. I am sure there are many more that others can think of.
The NHS becoming decentralised is a massive improvement. If you needed an non emergency x-ray in the 1990's that would be a trip to your local massive hospital and all the problems involved in getting there and attending a massive institution. These days I can get x-rays, blood test and minor treatments just by going to my local walk in centre.
There are some really big issues globally which have not improved and there are some short to medium term economic issues we have nationally but most of the things you have listed have been this way for a long time.
Remember staying the same is not getting worse.
The past was not necessarily better you were just younger.
Change is always happening with or without you and it is just different not always better or worse.
Budget-Raspberry-211@reddit
NHS is in crisis. Polio was eradicated decades ago. AIDS is a concern only for males who have sex with males and intravenous drug users.
-MassiveDynamic-@reddit
Illegal drug purity
WearingMarcus@reddit
Leaving the Eu...
We are on course to Over take Japan and then Germany as the best/largest economies...
We recently overtaken India for the 5th spot...
https://www.wionews.com/business-economy/india-slips-to-6th-largest-economy-falls-behind-uk-despite-strong-growth-outlook-here-s-why-1776320372103
Difficult_Raise_3477@reddit
But India is soon going to surpass Britain again we only hold a small lead in that metric. Not to mention total size of gdp is a completely meaningless metric to basically the entire population.
jamesdownwell@reddit
Lol, what is that website? Took a look at its Wikipedia entry and it's...interesting.
WearingMarcus@reddit
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/uk-economy-fifth-largest-in-world-imf-figures-405307/
Jazzlike-Compote4463@reddit
What? Leaving the EU is basically why our cost of living is so fucked, we import basically everything so everything is more expensive.
WearingMarcus@reddit
no its not..
The cost of living was due to COVID, Russia wars, shuts downs, printing money and currently the Iran war...
Germany and France are performing terribly in comparison top the UK...
UK on track to Overtake Japan next year
Dictatorsmith@reddit
Air pollution, fewer black bogies.. restaurants have levelled up and mediocre chains are dropping off,
ACrispyDuck@reddit
Gov.uk so many processes are much easier.
TeenyWeenyQueeny@reddit
Not sure where you live, but in London and other major cities, food options have definitely gotten better as well as music venues and overall night life options.
Only downside is how early everything closes.
luke-uk@reddit
Women’s sport has come on in leaps and bounds . So much better funded and way more interest.
Park Run - we have hundreds here , amazing for volunteering and community engagement. Started in the UK too.
Bike paths and cycling routes . Especially in cities it’s much easier to get around on bike.
Recycling schemes and green energy are much more common.
People are less homophobic.
There’s probably more awareness about work life balance and mental health in the workplace too. Bosses who believe working 8-8 and weekends are signs of a good worker are becoming rarer.
any_excuse@reddit
I disagree about the cost of childcare; this has come down massively with the 30 hours term time provision.
My daughter is in nursery 3 days a week for 10 hours a day. Before the free hours it would cost me £1,125 a month.
After the free hours it’s £250.
As much as I think this should be free, it’s quite harsh to suggest it’s gotten worse in recent years when just a few years ago I would be paying about 4x as much as I am.
AnyOlUsername@reddit
Self depreciating humour.
ross-dirext-words137@reddit
The internet has got betterm. Fiber is now available generally
coffeewalnut08@reddit
We have stronger rights under the Renters Rights Act, bringing ourselves closer in line with Europe
We’re still a world leader in the clean energy/Net Zero transition.
SnooCauliflowers6739@reddit
Depends what time frame you mean by recent years.
If we look at trends since the 90s, absolutely loads has improved.
More recently there's been some decline, but also some improvements elsewhere.
So we're in a flat spell or slight dip in an overall upwards trajectory.
MzHmmz@reddit
Yeah I think that's maybe why if feels like so many things have declined, we had been in a period of massive improvement in many things over my lifetime (I'm in my mid 40s), but in very recent years there has been a dip which makes it feel like everything is shit. In the 90s there was a feeling of "things can only get better", and many things did indeed get better, but a lot of those have slipped backwards.
SnooCauliflowers6739@reddit
Yeah and a lot of people look back to the 90s in wonder. Like for you and me it was some of the best times of our lives, so it's rose tinted. Now we have bills to pay!
But litter was awful, air in big cities wasn't great, most kids I grew up with had never been abroad, smoking everywhere, more dangerous roads and more drink-driving, "gay" was seen as a pretty innoculous insult, and LGBT were taking bigger risks not hiding it, discrimination against women was still relatively rife and open,h
wongl888@reddit
Minimum wage has got better in the UK. But this has raised the “floor” in wages so every thing will feel more unaffordable compared to previous times.
IllustriousApricot92@reddit
Technology - we are a global leader in renewable energy
Smoking rates are much lower since the ban
Social attitudes have changed with more awareness and acceptance of mental health
Taxes, passports, banking etc can all be done online now making it much easier
MCDCFC@reddit
Because nobody in Authority is accountable for anything anymore. The Police arbitrarily decide they won't investigate shoplifters. Councils don't answer phones or reply to Emails. Crime, generally, is not proactively engaged. Roads falling apart. It's like everybody has just given up
mightypup1974@reddit
Gov.uk
NoCold3997@reddit
I think you need a change of scenery or lifestyle 😁😁
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
2 young kids, stressful job.... yep youre right hahaha
NoCold3997@reddit
Meanwhile im very succesfull and retired very early ...see wherever anyone lives ....lifes what you make it ...uk is brill.👍
Ok_Appearance_5231@reddit
Gov UK/government gateway/tax free childcare websites are literally class leading for access to government services digitally.
MzHmmz@reddit
I agree with many of your points except the quality of food. I suppose it depends what your starting point is, but I'm in my mid 40s & in my lifetime the overall quality & in particular the availability of decent quality & interesting food has improved hugely in this country. In the 70s, 80s and even 90s a lot of British food lived up to the stereotypes, much of it was pretty basic and uninspired, and ultraprocessed food had really taken off but we didn't realise how bad it was at that point.
Personally I was lucky I grew up in a middle class family with a mum who was good at cooking, so I mostly ate pretty decent food at home compared to some of my peers, although even then the range of ingredients available to us was pretty limited compared to today, especially in a medium sized town like the one we lived in.
There are loads of foods we take for granted now that are sold in every supermarket which you would have only been able to get in specialist shops in big cities if you were lucky. And the range of some fairly basic types of food, e.g. cheese or bread, was pathetic compared to what we can get today. Camembert was the most "fancy" cheese you could get, and even that was considered a bit much by most people! And bread was basically just white, brown, granary and baguettes. Sourdough or all of the interesting varieties of flavoured breads you can get in most supermarkets were largely unheard of.
There has been an explosion of "artisan" producers which has had a knock-on effect on what's available even in supermarkets, and has raised standards and expectations overall.
International food was largely a pale imitation of the "real thing" - I thought I didn't like curry until I went to uni in Manchester and tried a "proper" curry, because I'd been brought up on weird 70s British curries, usually made with low quality powdered spices that had lost half of their flavour, and served with things like sliced bananas and raisins for some reason!
Restaurants have massively improved too, as well as the range of restaurants available. There are cuisines available that people hadn't even heard of when I was growing up, and the overall standard and range of food in restaurants has significantly improved, as well as the culture of eating out.
And if you just wanted to grab a quick bite to eat for lunch the choices available were often awful, sandwiches were usually a limited range of pretty boring sandwiches (e.g. ham, cheese & pickle, egg mayonnaise) often served on sad looking bread, and none of the things you might grab for lunch these days even existed in most places e.g. sushi, wraps. American style fast food had massively taken off by that time, but the quality of even that was poorer than today. Greasy spoon type places were often your best bet for a decent lunch. I have fond memories of our childminder taking us out for egg and chips!
"Salad" was just lettuce, tomato, cucumber and not much else. I'd never even heard of alternative salad leaves like rocket until I was a teenager!
The one thing I would agree has declined is the quality of a few classic British foods that used to be reliable in my childhood but have gone downhill in recent years, Cadburys chocolate being the most obvious one. Cadburys was considered to be "good quality" chocolate when I was younger, but since being taken over by Americans they've lowered their standards and it's just not the same. But thankfully alongside that there has been a huge explosion in the range of other quality chocolates available, back in the day the only options significantly better than Cadburys were things like Belgian style truffles which were considered the height of sophistication in the world of chocolates!
MzHmmz@reddit
Sorry, did not meant to write such an epic! Clearly I have a lot to say about food...
Jazzlike-Compote4463@reddit
Green energy both in terms of domestic production through wind and solar farms, and the use of it from electric cars, bikes and buses and improved cycle infrastrure in many towns and cities.
(And FWIW - although Cadbury's is now shit there are alternatives out there like Tony's that are loads better that Cadbury ever was)
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
I know but that old school creamy cadburys is the one.... forever gone 😔
Direct_Taste_3844@reddit
The renters rights act which came into effect this month provides better protection from scummy landlords and there are additional improvements to come in social housing.
Postgraduate student loans introduced in 2016 have made it easier for people to access postgraduate education and advance/change their careers.
louwyatt@reddit
The decrease in alcohol younger people are drinking. Alcohol while being very popular is one of if not the most damaging drug in the UK. The decrease in use will be incredibly good for the NHS, policing, and antisocial behaviour in general.
MaxMouseOCX@reddit
Better than it was maybe? - it's still pretty shit.
Jazzlike-Compote4463@reddit
I think OPs list was things that have gone to shit in the last 20 years.
Unpopular opinion maybe, but I actually quite like my new build and would probably buy another - I just wish they were a little bigger.
BJWJ96@reddit
Media led negativity.
alphamagus@reddit
Internet speed and computer memory
duvagin@reddit
latent revolution energy
Prestigious_Emu6039@reddit
The countryside is still nice
buginarugsnug@reddit
Passport turnaround. Husband got his renewed one back after just four days on standard service.
shitthrower@reddit
I think a lot of items your list is maybe your personal perspective, or you wanted to make a negative list so things are framed in a certain way.
Anyway, check out r/GoodNewsUK
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
I did of course - and yes its a personal list.
There is a reason reddit is my only social media and I dont watch the news anymore. It wears me down 😂
simplytom_1@reddit
Coffee and baked goods
Also the gyms
MintBerryFondue@reddit
Tenancy rights!
Years ago, most letting agencies charged an average of £400 extra in non refundable administrative fees. I was even told to pay up for simply moving in (receiving the key) and out (key hand over) which was ludicrous.
Those practice is now illegal under the Tenant Fees Act 2019.
tmr89@reddit
The looking after of illegal immigrants
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liamrich93@reddit
This will be up for debate, but: the weather
superiner@reddit
Probably flights. Easier and cheaper to get out of here more often.
guhj12345@reddit (OP)
Over time i agree. But I remember in 2010 getting return flight across europe for as little as £15 at a good time not some ungodly hour.
These offers dont seem to be as available?
Odd_Tie_4716@reddit
Online shopping and delivery times. Food anywhere outside big cities.
EyeAware3519@reddit
A lot of the stuff you've written just isn't true.
"new house build quality" this is survivorship bias in play here. I have lived in a few new builds as well as older houses and the new builds have been much more comfortable. Granted the gardens are a bit small but that's fine for my needs. The older houses I have lived in have been draughty and require constant maintenance.
I'd also argue that quality of food is better if you know where to get it from.
Kids play outside just as much as they did 20+ years ago.
Social media improves most people's lives, just because some people can't use it properly doesn't mean it's all bad. You are using it now FFS!
Anyway to answer your question. Health. The NHS has problems but medical care is improving all the time and new drugs and procedures are curing or treating illnesses that people had to suffer with or die from before. People also look after their bodies way better than they did, drinking and drugs among young people is basically non existent compared to the 1990s and everyone goes to a gym now. Younger people also have proper hobbies now rather than just hanging around in pubs.
Mysterious_County154@reddit
passport
Obvious-Water569@reddit
Food.
Broadband speeds.
That's it, I'm out.
Due-Tough2038@reddit
internet
badmancatcher@reddit
Depends on when you look from.
2 weeks ago I had an ear infection, today it's gone.
So that's got better in 2 weeks...
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