Zelensky's former second-in-command, Yermak, charged in major corruption probe
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Adorable-Database187@reddit
Idk why the russian farmers think this is the gotcha to end all gotcha's Although this is uncomfortable news, the priority of this issue is just not at the top.
Zelensky is a hero, not the second coming of Christ or a paragon of justice.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
why? Genuinely? He'a a zionist who sends others kids to fight a war they don't wish to whilst his kids are safe and sound outside of Ukraine living in luxury - why is he a hero?
Eexoduis@reddit
Zelenskyy’s children live in Ukraine. His son, 13, goes to school online and has never known an Ukraine without war. You are confusing Zelenskyy for Putin, whose children live in Europe swaddled in designer brands and sports cars.
Care to provide any evidence that Zelenskyy is a Zionist? I eagerly await your reply.
Adorable-Database187@reddit
In what perfect black and white world do you live??
Russia is genociding Ukrain, genocide also happens outside of Gaza, shocking, I know.
To stop Russians genociding Ukrainians, the leader of Ukraine sends his people to defend and sadly to die, the only cowardice I see is the rest of us letting it go on.
What would you have him do? lie down ass up for Putin, like a far right politician?
As for why I think he's a hero? Maybe because of his refusal to be evacuated in the early days when it looked like Kiev was going to be captured in 3 days.
Because he refused to surrender to overwhelming odds for half a decade now and has been showing Europe what a spine looks like.
Having a hero isnt a bad thing, a hero gives hope, unites and inspires tenacity. Being a hero doesnt mean someone is perfect, it means being the right person in the right place at the right time, saying and doing the right things.
Outside of that timeframe is another story, many heroes of the past were deeply flawed people, but as long as we're within that timeframe, Zelensky is without doubt a hero.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
source? We know what a genocide looks like in 2026 and the war on Ukraine is definitely not one
Adorable-Database187@reddit
Jesus dude get your head out of your ass and take a long walk.
Russia has turned Ukraine into rubble if that isnt something you can acknowledge I don't know what to say.
Wikipedia isnt a source, but it has a lot of links to sources.
"Nemetskiy ekspert: Deystviya Rossii v Mariupole mozhno nazvat' genotsidom" Немецкий эксперт: Действия России в Мариуполе можно назвать геноцидом [German expert: Russia's actions in Mariupol can be called genocide]. Deutsche Welle (in Russian). Archived from the original on 18 April 2022. Retrieved 18 April 2022.
ERR (21 April 2022a). "Estonia on Russia's actions in Ukraine: This is genocide". ERR. Archived from the original on 22 April 2022. Retrieved 21 April 2022.
Kelak1@reddit
Gish gallop?
Adorable-Database187@reddit
Willfull ignorance?
Kelak1@reddit
You linked 16 sources. Several of them are opinion pieces. Some are even labeled with a question.
Watering down the definition of genocide just to slam Russia is one factor of why no one gives a fuck about Israel and it's actual genocide.
From the 1948 Convention:
Under this strict definition, the United States and it's European partners have been engaging in genocide throughout the Iraq war, Afghanistan war, for sure in the Vietnam War. Because of the little "in part" clause of the defining sentence.
Since the convention that defined genocide there's been only 3 trials: Rwanda, Bosnia and Cambodia.
Cambodia: an estimated 1.7 to 2 million deaths (4 years) Rwanda: 800,000 Tutsis (100 days) Bosnia: Set to to explicitly remove Bosnian Muslims, leading to the capture of 23000 women and children and the slaughter of 8000 men and 'battle aged' boys. (July 1995)
Ukraine has, according to Zekensky, has 55,000 soldier deaths since the War started in 2022. We both know that figure is bullshit, but I digress. The UN estimates 15,578 civilian deaths.
If the Russians are committing genocide, then the are doing a pretty poor show of it when relating to the scale of what seems to actually be punishable.
The attempt to label this war as genocide is purely political, as it is a requirement by the ratified laws of the Geneva convention to be stopped. We can condemn senseless violence and war by Russia without having to water down this term.
Luesal2@reddit
Not a single source in your ai generated vomit btw.
Adorable-Database187@reddit
What you call ai slop is a tiny section of a wikipedia page.
This page contains a detailed list of dozens of accusations and investigations regarding the genocide perpetrated by russia on Ukrain.
But sure denying genocide must be a way to sleep at night.
Luesal2@reddit
It being from wikipedia only makes it worse xD
SenorZorros@reddit
Bucha
Treinrukker@reddit
Ah yes, the couple people laying dead with no video evidence is called a genocide these days
ponchietto@reddit
500 deads, there is tons of video evidence, even satellite evidence.
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/04/08/massacre-in-bucha
Just one of the hundreds of reports available.
Luesal2@reddit
There is no evidence.
ponchietto@reddit
What would constitute evidence for you?
You said "no video" here is a video (from the page I linked).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkwqiNeNMfE&t=13s
Luesal2@reddit
This not an evidence, it's a singular fatality in a combat zone. Is every ukraine fanatic that stupid?
VaHaLa_LTU@reddit
"There's no evidence". Gets shown evidence. Doubles down. Classic tankie.
Luesal2@reddit
Talks about evidence, provides no evidence, average baltoid low iq dweller.
genasugelan@reddit
Oh, you mean the Russians kidnapping Ukrainian kids to russify them is not considered a genocide? The fact that Ukraine has a higher death toll than Gaza also suggests it's a genocide. Jesus Christ.
sofixa11@reddit
His kids are a 22 year old daughter and a 13 year old son.
The war is an existential threat to the country and people of Ukraine. Without a draft the country and people would cease to exist. Yes, really - putin has an article on how Ukrainians are just confused Russians from 2021, we have Bucha and the kidnapping of children. The country and people's survival takes precedence over individual liberties, because if it doesn't, there would be no individual liberties anyways.
One can be a zionist (believe in the right of the state of Israel to exist and for Jewish people to have a country) without being for the genocide of the other people in/around that country. Like he is:
Because he managed to rally the country and international backing into surviving a brutal onslaught from a much bigger and stronger invader. He did and said the correct things when it mattered. He didn't run away from the capital even with assassins sent to kill him and Russian troops paradroping on the outskirts, and an armoured column on the way. He went and took a selfie in Pokrovsk to expose the Russians are lying about taking it.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
he hasn't though? No one wants to fight, there are no signups anymore and every single man who is folded into the army is kidnapped off the street and forced in 2026.
You say the war is an existential war but who gets to decide that? Every single poll that we have seen in the past couple of years says that the people don't want to continue fighting and that is underscored by the fact that nobody is signing up - so apparently the people of Ukraine don't see it like you.
www.busification.org/en
Are you on the politician side or are you on the people of Ukraine side? Because if you were on the side of the people of Ukraine then you would support them in pushing for a negotiated solution and not being forced to fight a war that they don't want to fight
the only people that I see sucking Zelensky's nuts and cheering on this war are people who don't live in Ukraine. On that note, why don't you go and sign up if it's so important to you? They desperately need men
BassGaming@reddit
Lmao
DizzyReference3345@reddit
Don't worry. Zelensky himself dodged draft summons when there was much lower risk of dying or even no risks at all but right now he expects people to die in the war for for like 50000 uah amonth at best. And even has audacity to criticise people fleeing country and dodging draft. So he begs EU to return fighting age males back to Ukraine.
EnglishBrekkie_1604@reddit
What the fuck are you on about, you think he hasn’t tried to negotiate an end to the war? The problem is the Russians are not interested in good faith negotiations, all of their demands are maximalist and they will not budge on them. They are being invaded, the goal of the Russians is for Ukraine to become their puppet state which makes it DEFINITIONALLY an existential war for survival.
sofixa11@reddit
Same as with the children of Zelensky, you're missing extremely important information. Twice in a row, you're definitely not arguing in good faith.
Negotiated solution which doesn't include surrendering 1/4 of Ukraine and their best defensive positions that Russia doesn't even control today, which is what Russia is asking in those negotiations. But you wouldn't bother sharing these details with us because it doesn't suit your narrative.
Ukrainians have no interest in surrender. They want the war to end, but the only one that can do that is putin.
blankedblank@reddit
It’s funny. Back in the day, the news that oligarchs had gifted Putin a palace caused endless outrage and was treated as unquestionable proof of just how uniquely corrupt and rotten his regime was. But here, the second most powerful person in the country is literally looting the nation during one of the darkest periods in its history, and it’s brushed off as just ‘uncomfortable news.’ Absolutely fucking incredible.
MarderFucher@reddit
As a Hungarian who just ejected putin's local satrap, i would have been quite content if my local fascist cunts only looted $10 million personally AND got charged while their allies are in power.
Given all the money flowing into country over the past years, while all corruption is bad, from outsider pov this is definitely just merely regrettable.
blankedblank@reddit
It’s kind of amazing how we’ve reduced the second most powerful person in the country - arguably even the first - to just some ‘local’ crook who merely siphoned off a few million dollars for himself. The goalposts moved so fast I swear you could hear the sonic boom.
MarderFucher@reddit
I really don't give a shit as long as the russkie giga meatgrinder 9001 ™ and the just stop oil bandera edition campaign is ongoing ¯_(ツ)_/¯.
blankedblank@reddit
By all means, go ahead — knowing where that money is likely to end up, I might actually support you. It’s a rare occasion when one of my comments manages not only to hit a nerve, but also to lighten your wallet. Impressive. I really should do this more often.
-Hi-Reddit@reddit
Difference here is someone was actually charged for it. Dont see Putin going down for corruption any time soon.
blankedblank@reddit
Of course, that’s where the real difference lies. Definitely not in the fact that one side is operating during a war, siphoning off donations begged from all over the world under the noble banner of ‘protecting the poor and vulnerable’ with result being actual deaths among both civilians and soldiers (feel free to look up the body armor scandal). But sure - the difference is obviously not that. Absolutely not
annewmoon@reddit
well if the local serial killer bribes his way out of a speeding ticket and gets away with it and then tries to get one of his victims put in jail for doing it, then yeah, I'm going to be a tad bit' harsher on the former
blankedblank@reddit
Oh so Yermak is a victim now lol, lmao even
imunfair@reddit
Generally people don't consider corrupt leaders who are sending unwilling men to die to maintain power their heroes, that's the part you're not understanding. It would be a different situation if participation in propping up Zelensky's feudal empire was voluntary, and if he had let fathers and husbands out of the country with their wives and children, rather than locking the borders at the start of the war.
The level of state propaganda is uncomfortable to watch as well - he was literally lying to get Ukrainians on-side at the start of the war - lies which cost many their homes, livelihoods, and in many cases their lives. In my book those are the actions of a villain, not a hero.
genasugelan@reddit
The fuck you want him to do? To surrender?
imunfair@reddit
Historically that's what you do when you can't win a war unless you want your entire country to be plowed under by the invaders. Offer tribute or be plundered.
Usually the former is the smarter choice, the places that chose the later don't exist any longer, just like Ukraine won't after this is all over because of Zelensky's intransigence.
genasugelan@reddit
I guess you also tell women to not fight back when they are getting raped. While being at it, she should also tip her rapist (tibute) by your logic.
If you haven't fucking noticed, if they surrender, they get taken over and russified. They already abduct Ukrainian children and russify them. Putin literally doesn't see Ukrainians as their own ethnicity.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
Should ask the people what they want, he's not fighting
Somepotato@reddit
yes because militaries and countries operate so much better when their leaders and heads of state get killed in battle
genasugelan@reddit
Yeah, because he's leading. His job is to be a diplomat and gather foreign support and making decisions, not shooting with a gun.
And it's so fucking easy for you to say he should kindly ask, seeing your Ireland flair, as you are a continent away from the fighting. Your country is not under an existential crisis, so it's so easy to toss shit and criticise.
collonnelo@reddit
Im sure you feel that way about russians dying in droves as they wage a war on a defensive nation to help make their home country that doesn't care about them, and its oligarchs, wealthier. But yes, ask the people for an existential vote during an existential war cause that makes total sense ans has historically been done, like with the IRA when they requested for your opinion to start the times of troubles.
But of course, youre upset that Irish money goes to Ukraine since you're insulated on the little island protected by your despised older brother Britain, no real military to speak off, incapable of defending yourself, but god forbid you do the ethical thing and support the people currently dying and suffering to have a home to return to without being classified as a refugee or a second class citizen. I wonder what position you would take if your defenseless island was invaded by Britain again. Would you just roll over like you expect the Ukranians? Would you bitch if your prime minister mandated a draft to protect the island from a blitz or would you expect a vote to see if the nation should defend itself like a bitch requesting permission to defend themselves from an assailant
greenknight@reddit
Yes, though I'm not sure what that means for the employment prospects of the Russian botposter
SuperKiller94@reddit
“Sending unwilling men to die to maintain power” oh is that why there is a war with Russia? Russia invaded Ukraine and could end the war by relinquishing all territory seized and withdrawing back across the border. If Ukraine surrenders that’s the end of the country
imunfair@reddit
It wouldn't have been if Zelensky had been smart, probably will be now though. The original idea was a client state similar to Belarus, where Ukraine remained independent but firmly in Russia's sphere of influence. Russia could still choose to do that with the western half of the country if they end up splitting it in half when they conquer it, rather than reintegrating the entire state into the union, but I wouldn't count on it.
Live_Emergency_736@reddit
well ukrainian men unanimously seem to prefer the end of their country over the end of their own lives. otherwise there would be no need for ukrainian conscrpition forces to hunt them down like animals, beat them up and stuff them in unmarked vehicles straigt to the front. (busification-org)
kwonza@reddit
A true hero! Just very unlucky with friends they all seem to hold key positions and get caught in corruption scandals all the time. Kind of like Shoigu in Russia)
coukou76@reddit
How can you compare with a dictature like Russian? Racket is built-in and expected from higher up lol
kwonza@reddit
Russian politicians are embezzling Russian money. Any type or corruption sucks balls but there’s something especially vile about stealing foreign aid that your country really needs
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
It really is amazing how his closest confidants all get charged for corruption, Zelenzky tries to quietly take control of anti corruption agencies citing “Russian influence”, a few of them get tipped off and run to Israel, and he only caved on his actions because of pressure from the countries keeping his country running. Yet it’s completely beyond belief for us to think that he might be just as corrupt?
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
It's not beyond belief. But the facts remain that he didn't take control of the anti corruption agencies, people are being charged with corruption and he isn't blocking their prosecution and it is being reported publicly.
These are all good signs for a country that has historically been incredibly corrupt.
Meow-The-Jewels@reddit
This sub has a Russia good bias for some unknown reason so any thread about Ukraine is gonna have knuckle draggers in it
historydude1648@reddit
not blindly supporting Ukraine and being critical of every side's mistakes is "Russian bias" for you?
Eexoduis@reddit
Before hidden comment history anyone on this sub talking negatively about Ukraine would have a comment feed full of exclusively that. They wouldn’t talk about anything else other than how much Ukraine sucks. 1 ye old accounts with no karma. They’re all still here btw they just can hide now
historydude1648@reddit
i dont care about that. im not saying there's not people like you describe, but im telling you that the world isnt black and white.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
*sees Ukraine criticism*
'this sub must love Russia!'
Meow-The-Jewels@reddit
No I've been on the sub longer than a day, it's every thread about Ukraine lol
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
I criticise Ukraine all the time and yet I am no fan of the Russian federation or its war
WouldbangMelisandre@reddit
Why not criticise Russia then?
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
my tax money doesn't go to Russia
lidsville76@reddit
Well, not overtly and directly.
KronusTempus@reddit
It does, however, go to Ukraine both overly and directly
Short-Recording587@reddit
Agree, stop giving them money and just give their nukes back.
KronusTempus@reddit
Just fyi (because people like to throw this one out without diving deep into it), Ukraine never owned nukes.
After the collapse of the Soviet Union, some nukes remained physically in Ukraine but all the launch codes, the command infrastructure, the operational control, and obviously the ownership remained with the legal successor of the USSR, which was Russia.
To say that Ukraine owned nukes would be like saying that Japan owns the US navy ships of the 7th fleet stationed at Yokosuka base. Sure Japan owns the base and the infrastructure there, but the ships themselves are US owned.
Short-Recording587@reddit
That is not a comparable scenario. A comparable scenario is if the US collapsed and some states tried to say they have the right to weapons etc in another state.
Just because your country was weak enough to internally collapse does not give you a right to murder people in the surrounding states to try and recreate your “empire.”
Should have left the nukes there and it would have been a sufficient deterrent. Give Ukraine the codes for all the taxes and men they sent to die in the wars the USSR waged without really putting Moscow or its citizens at risk.
KronusTempus@reddit
You really haven’t engaged with this topic before and really ought to before making claims like this.
Possession and ownership are distinct legal concepts.
The comparable situation would be if the Texas seceded and claimed all the federal governments nukes as its own. The Texas national guard does not have nukes, so they would not be able to keep them unless the US completely broke apart and Texas became the legal successor of the United States (which would give them ownership over all the nukes in every state).
But we don’t have to go off of hypotheticals, the South did secede and we know how that ended.
Moving on from the legal to the practical. You incorrectly assumed I was Russian. I am, in fact, from Ukraine. My hometown was all but abandoned in the years following the collapse of the Soviet Union because it was based around a few factories which Ukraine was too small and too poor to maintain, so they shut them down.
If you actually ever came to Ukraine you’d see how destitute the country really is. It was plundered by the oligarchs and politicians and what little wealth there was, was concentrated in the hands of a tiny elite.
It’s telling that nobody in Europe or the United States was excited by the idea of Ukraine having nuclear weapons. It couldn’t afford to maintain them if it got legal ownership transferred to it and it was a mismanagement disaster waiting to happen.
Short-Recording587@reddit
The succession was illegal under the US constitution. The USSR collapsing wasn’t an illegal succession. The entire country fell apart.
The entire region outside of a few cities faced difficulty, which is why the collapse happened. I understand corruption is rampant across the entire region.
Ukraine gave up nukes on the promise that Russia wouldn’t invade. It has now invaded twice in a land grab. Guess it’s time to give the nukes back since Russia broke its promise.
KronusTempus@reddit
Back to my point about you not knowing what you’re talking about.
Actually the country didn’t “just fall apart” as you put it, regions began to secede from the union and the Russian leadership was preoccupied with other matters to do anything about it. That’s what I assume you mean by the country “fell apart”.
Legally, the USSR constitution actually allowed states to leave the union unlike the US constitution, and there was a constitutional procedure for that.
The problem from a legal standpoint was that none of the states that seceded actually followed this procedure which is what made the secessions illegal. Did anyone have the political willpower or indeed the hard power to enforce the law? No, but that doesn’t mean that the law didn’t exist.
You can read up on the constitutional procedure if you’d like, it’s widely available in English online, but somehow I doubt that you will.
Short-Recording587@reddit
Seems like the world disagrees with you that Russia can invade former USSR territories because they left a failed USSR (which failed due to economic collapse) without following the proper constitutional process.
And I guess another way to ask the question is this: is the USSR constitution valid today when there is no USSR?
sight_ful@reddit
It wouldn't go to ukraine without russia though.
Czart@reddit
Yeah, it's funding you. Can't bite the hand that feeds after all.
edgsto1@reddit
Lmao "Russian federation". To on the nose with this one
eelsandpeels@reddit
Honest question, would you identify as a tankie? I see you posting in the tankie deprogram subreddit.
b4k4ni@reddit
There's a difference between criticism and claiming there might be something.
Look at the US. The GOP lies so much, but that on a loop, so at some point people believe it.
Most "criticism" I saw here, was basically only "but selensky is as corrupt" or "he's as bad" and so on. Or for different cases. It's not really something proven.
I mean, Zelensky is not perfect for sure, but he wanted to go against corruption and it was part of his initial election campaign. And I still believe he's on it, but there's a whole system in Ukraine, that was influenced by corruption. And fighting this is not easy. Even in peace times. And they have a war on hand right now.
At least the system seems to be working and he - even under pressure - caved from removing some powers from the ministry against corruption.
And I'm not convinced, that the reason to support the law capping the power was, because he's corrupt or wants to increase corruption again. Dunno if he gave a reason why he was for it. Have to Google this later, totally forgot...
Vassago81@reddit
It's a minor detail that all of those arrested for corruption are HIS crew that came to power with him in 2019, and his close associate from his entertainment company ?
knuppi@reddit
wasn't he in the pandora papers too?
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
He ran on anti corruption but his closest confidants are all charged with corruption. Like come on man if it were a politician you don’t like you wouldn’t hesitate to call it anything other than corruption.
Telleh@reddit
This is starting to feel like when you criticize Israel and immediately people start calling you an antisemite, which I am admittedly but criticizing Israel doesn’t automatically make you one.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
I believe in Ukraine defending itself from Russian aggression but to say all criticism of Ukraine as being Russian bias is fucking stupid and you should be ashamed.
BassGaming@reddit
They neither said nor implied this. You're are misconstruing their comment by putting words in their mouth. You should be ashamed.
Maybe_this_time_fr@reddit
TserriednichThe4th@reddit
Yes here you are
yoweigh@reddit
They're saying that any thread about Ukraine is going to have some Russian propaganda in it, not that all criticism of Ukraine is Russian propaganda. Those are two different things.
Live_Emergency_736@reddit
in theory this is correct, in reality pro ukrainian redditors are generally so used to echo chambers like worlds news bombarding them with constant pro ukrainian propaganda without any actual counter argument that even the slightest mention of objective and by multiple sources confirmed and documented attrocities like ukraines brutal busification sends them into a meltdown including ad hominem lalala this isn't true you are a russian bot and ukraine is heaven on earth.
yoweigh@reddit
Meh. That's just a generalization in the opposite direction. Ukrainian propaganda is a thing too.
BassGaming@reddit
The sentence you quoted just now and the sentence you claimed they originally said are not the same. And no, you can not infer that meaning. Ahh whatever, no use having this discussion if you just attribute whatever you think helps your argument to their statement. Waste of time as you continue to misconstrue their statement.
OrderOfMagnitude@reddit
Nobody said this.
Stormeve@reddit
It’s just tankies whose stances are dependent on the opposite of whatever America/the “West” is. Any socialists with actual principles don’t support imperialism no matter what form it takes…
Molested-Cholo-5305@reddit
This sub has a "west bad" bias
Namarot@reddit
Also known as a reality bias.
Molested-Cholo-5305@reddit
Might be true if it wasn't coming from a Turk 🤣
Level_Hour6480@reddit
A medium sized international politics sub is the perfect target for troll farms: Small enough for Russian/Israeli operatives to have influence, large enough that it actually reaches people. Be suspicious of anyone with hidden post-history or whose history is only one topic.
lolniceman@reddit
Example profiles being.?
SpinningHead@reddit
It’s not bias. There is an active campaign and Russia just got more funding thanks to Krasnov
Frost0ne@reddit
It’s not bias, people less threatened by ban hammer for voicing opinion that shit happens everywhere but packaged differently.
MarderFucher@reddit
Considering of all subs im active in, this sub has the most [blocked user] comments I'm inclined to agree lol.
AlbertoRossonero@reddit
Brother he literally did and only went back on it when western pressure was applied. He imprisoned the lead investigator into the case of one of his buddies as well. Like come on if it were someone that’s generally unpopular to pro Ukraine people like Trump they wouldn’t need any hard evidence to call this what it is.
Lopsided-Selection85@reddit
The correct way to put it would be "But the facts remain that he failed to take control of the anti corruption agencies"
because he definitely tried.
blankedblank@reddit
During the years of the war, Putin has also imprisoned several corrupt officials and even eliminated one particularly brutal warlord. Does that, too, indicate that the country is moving in the right direction?
Short-Recording587@reddit
Yes. Another good step would be to give Ukraine its land back. Follow that up with free and fair elections and Russia is definitely moving in the right direction.
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Lately, it certainly seems to be.
Additional-Echo-4984@reddit
He didnt do it because he cant, not because he didnt want it
HappySphereMaster@reddit
Which is a good sign for things moving in the direction of get ridding of the corruption.
esjb11@reddit
That people have to take to the streets? 🤔
fuckshitballscunt@reddit
Good?
kwonza@reddit
So the fact that main investigator who was leading the Mindich case had to spend several months behind bars is pure coincidence?
sarim25@reddit
The weird part I could never understand so how the corruption gets defended. I've seen others say "but see, the anti corruption agencies are working, so there is nothing wrong".
And these articles "a high ranking Ukrainian official/general is found corrupt" happens often.
Silver_Middle_7240@reddit
Well thats the problem. If a country isn't corrupt you don't hear about this. But if a country is totally corrupt... you don't hear about this.
Level_Hour6480@reddit
Non-corrupt country: You hear aboot the occasional bit of corruption being dealt with.
Corrupt country trying to be not corrupt: You hear aboot lots of corruption being dealt with.
Corrupt country not fixing its corruption: You don't hear aboot instances of corruption being dealt with.
BigDictionEnergy@reddit
Who do you see defending corruption? All I see is pushback on the notion that Zelensky must be corrupt because much of his govt is, therefore he must be in on it.
Meanwhile, in reality, he had no history in politics and ran on an anticorruption campaign, which kind of got side tracked when the Russians invaded. The fact that his govt is still going after corruption, esp of higher ups, is remarkable.
They've certainly got a more functional govt than the USA does right now.
inokentii@reddit
Attack on NABU stopped only by Ukrainian people who went on first during war mass demonstrations all over the country. International media and countries put tongues in their arses for three days straight while all the Kyiv was standing under president administration
Provodniik@reddit
The boyars are all corrupted and greedy, the Tsar is good and isn’t aware of this.
Reminds something, right?
razorfloss@reddit
Shuuuu don't say the quiet part out loud. But to play devil's advocate President grant administration was corrupt as hell and he wasn't so it's possible, unlikely but possible.
Chipay@reddit
The EU's insistence on keeping the anti-corruption agencies neutral is paying off dividends. Removing corruption from the Ukrainian state apparatus will benefit Ukraine now, during the war, and later, during its ascension towards an EU member.
It's well known, although uncomfortable to European democracies, that Ukraine is a deeply corrupt state. The fact that its leadership can be investigated and prosecuted by a neutral organ should be a cause of celebration.
genasugelan@reddit
And they are doing it during a war going on, meanwhile we in Slovakia can't do it normally.
Shepherd_of_Ideas@reddit
Same in Romania, unfortunately.
McBeers@reddit
And now in the United States too :(
haggerton@reddit
"Now"?
Have you heard of this thing called lobbyism.
McBeers@reddit
Fair. It's not completely new but sure has escalated into a level of flagrant self dealing we've rarely, if ever, seen before
FuzzyKittyNomNom@reddit
Vastly accelerated in the US too :/
Withermaster4@reddit
You're not alone
miklosokay@reddit
There is no doubt Zelenzsky did a hell of a job as president during the russian invasion, but there is also no doubt that he was compromised at the time by corruption, just like most of the political top. After the war, it will be scary exciting to see who gets to lead the country and if the civil authorities are strong enough to fight the relentless propaganda poison being spewed by their genocidal dictator neighbor.
SecretPT90_reborn@reddit
Anyone who was against Russia would do the same.
He was corrupt even before the start of the war. Search for the panama paper, his name is there.
I found hilarious that his wife kept going on luxury trips in europe while he said for Ukrainians had to tighten the belt and understand the sacrifice of this war.
He's corrupt. He has blood of ukranian in his hands due to corruption.
This war isn't due to sovereignty, but to wich oligarchs control the resources.
sofixa11@reddit
Not true in the slightest. He made numerous important decisions in the opening hours and days, like not evacuating to Lviv, which could have destroyed morale, especially in the fighting for Kyiv.
Also, fun fact, Zelensky was not against Russia. He was the "let's be nice and negotiate with Russia" candidate. It's putin who made him against Russia.
From the Ukrainian side it absolutely is. Go to the Kremlin's official website and search for "on the unity of russian and Ukrainian people". Putin flat out denies the existence of Ukrainian as a separate ethnicity. And we saw what happened at Bucha and other places, and how Ukranian captives are treated. Or how children are kidnapped.
blankedblank@reddit
Zelensky didn’t stay in Kyiv simply because he was some kind of fearless hero - according to former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett, he had received assurances from Russia that he would not be targeted.
sofixa11@reddit
Not only do we know there were assassins after him, but even if he weren't an explicit target, it's still risky to stay in a city under attack. Russia capturing him would have been great for them.
Luesal2@reddit
There were no assasins after him, every word coming out of zelensky's mouth is a lie. And you can especially tell it by his body language when he speaks english as he is not used to it.
sofixa11@reddit
I mean, we have a full blown Wikipedia article with many sources for the different attempts...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_attempts_on_Volodymyr_Zelenskyy
This is a blatant lie.
esjb11@reddit
"with many sources" is a false claim. Literally every source in that list goes back to Ukrainian authorities lol.
Maybe there were attempts, maybe not but there is no evidence nor unbiased sources put forward.
sofixa11@reddit
We have someone arrested in Poland and reporting from Russia itself on mercenaries tasked with killing Zelenskyy.
esjb11@reddit
Nope. You have someone arrested in Poland for spying on an airport. Thennthe head of SBU (Ukrainian security service) claims that he was going to murder Zelensky. Yet again, the source is Ukrainian officials.
Luesal2@reddit
Tries to prove something, links wikipedia article. I cant with these people.
SecretPT90_reborn@reddit
Is having civilians killed an high morale for you?
Then be my guest and be seated in front line for HIGH MORALE. He has blood of his own civilians in his hand, so that his high corrupted friends could profit.
No one is forgiving Russia, they acted as a terrotist state and still are acting like one.
But the main point we are talking about is the indifference of Zelensky to the civilians dying on the field, he used them as a shield.
But now the propaganda of "we are united" sings louder.
And that's the reason many Ukrainians and Russians that have possibility to flea to Europe have already done it.
But who suffers? The poor. The ones that kept hearing the propaganda of "we are great fighting for the oligarchs".
Once again, I'm not here defending Russia. I've already said that this state is acting as a terrorist one.
And as I said before, Ukraine also has blood on her hands.
And if you think that a difference of 5km of frontier is worth 100.000 then be my guess and volunteer to be next.
To me Ukrainian and Russian lives shouldn't be treated as nothing just for some rich guys fighting for resources rights.
sofixa11@reddit
I'm sorry? Zelensky killed civilians by not folding to the Russian invasion, is that your claim? Are you stupid or Russian?
Russia is asking for 1/4 of Ukraine, including their whole industrial bassin, the one with the resources, where millions of Ukrainians live, and where their defensive positions currently are. Giving this up would just be a repeat of the Sudetenland capitulation where putin returns for the rest after having time to rest and replenish his armies.
If you can't comprehend that, in sorry for you and everyone who has to deal with you.
Cool, tell that to putin. Until he realises this, the war will go on.
sight_ful@reddit
Just looked it up. You may be confused. It sounds like he was in the Pandora papers in 2021, not the Panama papers in 2016.
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