Kiwis / Canadians in UK are you happily settled in UK?
Posted by Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 55 comments
What brought you to live in the UK? Have you been back to either NZ or Canada to live since? Are you happily settled in the UK?
Having a life crisis about where I should be spending my 30s and 40s.
Where in Canada or NZ are you from?
Canadian salary would be 90k cad
Nz salary would be 130k nzd
Uk salary would be 42k gbp
JustJavi@reddit
I miss Wellington every single day.
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
Can’t beat it on a good day :)
Foxtrot-0scar@reddit
NZ is a dead sheep economically so everyone’s fleeing the country.
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
Australia and Canada are not far behind.
Foxtrot-0scar@reddit
Both will keep ticking as they are resource rich countries but the decline in the quality of life will be noticeable in decades to come.
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
Yeah the only reason why Australia and Canada haven’t fallen apart like NZ is because of the natural resources, but the fact that they didn’t diversify away, and instead chose to invest in safe but unproductive assets like housing means that their shelf life is limited.
Foxtrot-0scar@reddit
Canada is probably a basket case but Australia can keep rolling for another 100 years without breaking a sweat. It is a very desirable place on almost every metric.
Fingertoes1905@reddit
My MILs girlfriend has moved back to the UK after 30 years in NZ, she said it is so bad
Foxtrot-0scar@reddit
I can imagine. I lived there for a year in 2012 and it was already on life support. They are fleeing everywhere and I think Australia should suspend the visa arrangement before it is too late.
reddiuniquefool@reddit
I came here for a job, and stayed. Met the mother of my son, and my son was born. Still living here and definitely will stay until retirement. I haven't been back to NZ to live. Only to visit.
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
Go with the UK, the salary difference between Canada and the UK is the same when converting salaries while NZ is only about 7 pounds higher which is not worth it considering the insanely high cost of living and other structural flaws and limitations in that country.
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
In reality my max salary after 3 years from now inUK would be 48k so 9k gbp difference from my nz salary. And for the next three years would be a 15k gbp difference
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
NZ cost of living is astronomical for what it has to offer, and traveling out of it is both long and way overpriced. Unless u absolutely love NZ natural beauty then living there is not worth it, but the salary can definitely get u a decent QoL, but it’s probably only a living wage if ur gonna be based in Auckland so it depends on what u want, for me personally, no amount of money is worth living in a place like NZ well with its isolation, lack of culture, and deteriorating QoL.
blenderider@reddit
From Toronto and moved to London - love it. London's obviously an amazing city, I fully take advantage of access to Europe, and so many of my hobbies and interests are accessible that I can't imagine getting bored.
90k cad vs 42k gbp, you'd definitely feel richer in toronto vs london. Not sure about how far 42k gbp takes you in other cities in the UK you're considering
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
50K GBP is 92K CAD so he is actually earning more in the UK, and while London is expensive, UK has so many different major cities too choose from where 50K goes a long way, and even in London 50K can afford u an even better life than Toronto unless their primary goal is living in zone 1 without a roommate. London has the right to be as expensive as it is unlike Toronto which is only expensive because it’s the only city in Canada that has a working job market, and proper city amenities which still fall short.
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
Yes unfortunately I probably would be on 42K gbp for the next 3 years then would be able to hit around 48k after that. Not much more.
blenderider@reddit
What cities or regions are you considering?
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
Been wondering about Leeds?
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
Leeds is perfect, it’s reasonably priced and probably has just as much to do as Toronto maybe even more. It’s not London, but it has plenty to do, is close to the Yorkshire dales, Manchester, Scotland, and or course the sweet sweet access to Europe, u cannot go wrong with Leeds.
MojoMomma76@reddit
From this Londoner - I love Toronto and nearly moved there twice. Your home city is awesome but we’re glad to have you here too!
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
Good call, Toronto is just a sea of condos, and no where near the city London is and never will be, and it’s not meaningfully more affordable than London, and in fact may even be more expensive when looking at overall cost of living to income ratios where u have access to very high paying jobs and a deep job market in London, and property prices fall dramatically in outer zones while still being accessible to world class public transit.
The limited PTO in Toronto compared to London is the ultimate dealbreaker, and what makes Toronto not even worth thinking about compared to other UK cities which are more affordable and more interesting to go along with all the other UK benefits that u would miss. I am curious though to hear ur perspective, did what I have to say play a role in u not intimately leaving? What made u want to move to Toronto in the first place?
Foxtrot-0scar@reddit
Awesome? I thought it was quasi American at best and as if they ran out of ideas in inventing a unique identity or culture for themselves.
Foxtrot-0scar@reddit
Of course getting out of Toronto and moving to London is like winning the jackpot 🎰 isn’t it?
zomofo@reddit
I’m kind of butting in here but I’m a Brit in Canada having a similar crisis. Was on 92k CAD but am unemployed now and looking in both places. I have a 48K GBP offer but suddenly got cold feet about moving. Unfortunately no job leads where I am in Vancouver.
For me I’ve never felt totally settled but I do love it here. I guess it’s time to try the UK again and see. I hope you figure out what you want, but I will say with those figures Can/NZ do seem better.
Haunting-Shelter-680@reddit
Come back! Canada is a country where ur worked like Americans, paid and taxed like Europeans with the benefits of neither. The job offer in the UK is only 1600 pounds lower than what u have in Canada when u convert CAD to pounds, and when factoring income taxes ur actually taking home more in the UK than in Canada. After living in Canada u will enjoy everything that makes UK worth living in over Canada more than anything Canada has to offer.
Gargi_The_Pelican@reddit
Come back!
zomofo@reddit
Aw, thanks (:
Competitive-Food-799@reddit
Canadian here. Spent about a decade in Toronto and still have a lot of love for the city. Moved to the UK about 10 years ago and love it here, as well. I try to go back to Canada about once a year and, while I still consider it to be "home," the UK is feeling more and more like home, as well.
Some things I love about the UK...
Pubs. Pub culture here is truly something special. A pub isn't just a place to get sloppy or meet with adult friends. It's a place to take your family for lunch, to chill with your dog in the garden, to catch a quiz or a match. You're as welcome there with a lemonaid and plate of chips as you are with a pint. It's one of the things I miss most when I visit Toronto. Pubs there are for drinking. You can take your kids into some, but be prepared to hear a comment from a citizen-ethics-enforcer, if you choose the wrong one. Forget about taking your dog anywhere that serves food. That's not to say that bars aren't fun and welcoming in Toronto ... they're just not community hubs, as they can be in the UK.
Walkability. It's hard to beat London and the rest of the UK. In London, you have an incredible amount of stuff to see and do, no matter which direction you choose. When you first move, you'll be overloaded with history, architecture, and culture. Moving outside of the cities, you'll generally find towns that, while population dense, benefit from easy access by foot. Even if you don't live in a big city, if you live in a smaller town that's well-served by transit, you can get by without a car, no prob.
Trains and buses can get you anywhere! It's amazing. 4-8 hours from London will get you to Edinburgh, from which you can take trains up to the far north, or back down through the centre of the country and towards the West. My wife and I took a 2-week long holiday through Scotland, the Highlands and out to Skye using nothing but buses, trains and hiking. It's something that I'd not have been able to do in Canada without a lot more money and more than a few taxis.
Right to roam. You can walk pretty much anywhere through the countryside.
Europe. It's right on the doorstep, and it's relatively easy to find cheaper travel across the channel by train or plane.
It's safer than the news would have you believe. Sure, there are places in the UK that you probably wouldn't want to wander into at night. Or with the wrong football jersey. But it's pretty safe, overall. More acurately, London is a surprisingly safe city to live in. Again, you need to watch out for certain situations, as you would in any city (walking around with your phone out and no situational awareness may lead to one less phone in your life).
Culture. London is surrounded with other cultures. From tourists to the fact that it's an international hub, people from all over the world have been stopping there for generations and enticing folks with a heap of ethnic foods, music and culture. Even better, most museums and galleries are free to enter.
London is also shockingly green. Big parks. Canals. Green corridors.
It's not all sunshine and roses. It doesn't rain here as much as the reputation would have you believe, but the UK definitely doesn't enjoy as much sun as either Canada (most of) or NZ. Seasons are also fairly muted here – at least in the sound of the island. Winters are mainly just cold and wet. The entire island is pretty damp and, while you'll rarely experience cold below -5C, the damp helps that cold cut through to your very bones. Oh, and mold. Get used to dealing with that stuff a lot more often. Homes are generally not as well-insulated, nor benefit from decent air-flow. Dehumidifiers are your friends!
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
Ah ! Such a great list of pros! I lived in England for 5 years and those pros are many of the reasons why I’d want to come back.
Zygoneskies@reddit
From NZ living in London, loving it but salary of £42k in London would not go too far. You’d be more comfortable in NZ on $130k.
Will end up back in NZ to settle eventually though.
TomVonServo@reddit
God the pay in this country is just piss
rocketscientology@reddit
£42k when you convert the currency is $95k NZD or $78k CAD, so the gap isn’t as big as you seem to think. I can’t speak for Canada, but cost of living is also significantly higher in NZ.
TomVonServo@reddit
Fortunately there is a measure for that—purchasing power parity. Making £42k in the UK gives you the NZ purchasing power of $90-92k NZD.
A $130k NZD salary in Wellington gives you the purchasing power of £60-62k in London.
So yes, it’s bad.
SlickPillock@reddit
There are no Canadians or Kiwi's who moved to the UK who didn't have some kind of mental illness
ukbot-nicolabot@reddit
A top level comment (one that is not a reply) should be a good faith and genuine attempt to answer the question
GrahamGreed@reddit
The mental illness being a love of easy travel - that's what most kiwis love about London. That and an automatic 3 year work visa.
MojoMomma76@reddit
Then you have odd friends - have loads of Kiwi and Canuck pals and coworkers in London,
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
🤣
maui96@reddit
I loved the UK having moved from NZ, then I moved to Canada and realised all I liked about the UK was going to Europe.
If they were to rejoin the EU, that would be the only thing me and my partner would ever consider returning for at this stage.
She's British, we both worked in the NHS and its just not worth it for us to have any viability of a nice life.
Canada is worth all the hype. Direct 9 hours flight to London, rather than the 20+ hours to NZ/Australia.
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
Sounds like Canada was a good fit for you then! Where in Canada did you end up?
maui96@reddit
We're in Vancouver, it's really quite a phenomenal place
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
It is! I’ve spent some time living in Vancouver myself. Lovely place but hella expensive!
rectal_warrior@reddit
What effect would rejoining the EU have on your day to day life that would make you reconsider it?
MannyBobblechops@reddit
A tier rage bait
maybenomaybe@reddit
Moved to London from Vancouver over 12 years ago. Love Canada and will always consider myself Canadian, but this is my home now. I made a lot more money in Canada and I had stayed I'd be making over 6 figures and own a home, whereas here I make less than the national average and doubt I'll ever be able to buy, or even retire. But i'm still happier overall here.
ouicavamerci@reddit
From Montreal, the amount of holidays given here in the UK is better than in Canada so time can be spent for family holidays and it’s close to Europe.
Cons - lower salary, expensive trains and the cost of living
Ki1664@reddit
Left Auckland for my OE 13 years ago and now settled in Scotland. Loved it and not looking to move back any time soon but definitely feeling cost of living increasing and things getting harder than they once were
engineering-scienct@reddit
From Wellington, I've been living in Yorkshire for nearly 2 years. More varied work opportunities and ease of international travel were the main attractions. Unsure about where I'll be living long term, I find winters here difficult, and miss NZ's outdoors and weather.
Out of the NZ vs UK salary, I think your NZ salary would go quite a bit further.
AgrippAA@reddit
I work in NZ for 6 months a year, then 6 months back in the UK (where I'm from originally).
So many of our staff in NZ who are under 40 want to move to the UK, the competition for UK based roles when they come up is really high. Canada gets pretty popular too but there is a definite gap, USA and Europe roles are a very distant 3rd and 4th.
There is surprisingly little interest coming in the other direction from any of the businesses in the UK, Europe, USA or Canada.
In about 5 years none of the kiwis who moved to the uk have come back as far as i know.
Exotic_Industry_4402@reddit (OP)
Gosh I would love a split of 6 months in one country and 6 in the other! What do you do for work?
AgrippAA@reddit
Logistics, contracts and recently general problem shooting in international shipping...I am potentially the dullest man on earth.
Im mid 40s so the half year split is fine, i can still do it. Im not sure i want to be doing it when i start approaching my 60s.
Unlikely-Ring7814@reddit
your 30s are for trying. pick one, give it 2 years, and if it's wrong you've still got time. none of these are bad options
Jdgleeson478@reddit
My Mum’s from near Christchurch, she gets homesick often but I think the main motive for moving is that there’s a lot more opportunities here in London than in the South Island.
princessfret@reddit
Upvote as I too would love to know this
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