Pentagon reveals location of nuclear missile submarine

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Plastic_Key_4146@reddit

The whole point of a nuclear submarine is stealth.

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deletable666@reddit

How do I prep with the knowledge a submarine came to a port?

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bahhumbud@reddit

Amateur. Calls on STD meds and motel 6

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wanderingpanda402@reddit

Anyone know which of the Ohio class ones it was? They’ve got 4 now which don’t carry nukes anymore but are essentially underwater B52’s with a bunch of cruise missles instead of

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

I had to go looking for an article because Ground Truth doesn’t let you see it unless you’re a subscriber.

And ultimately it was boring. The Ohio class boat made a port call in Gibraltar, which is unusual, but certainly not unprecedented. It’s not like they announced an operational location, and you can’t hide the fact the boat arrived.

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hiartt@reddit

There are port calls. And then there are port calls within a days drive of a civilization that you have recently threatened to wipe from the map. This feels less like a “we need coffee, mangos, and fresh air” stop and more of a “we’re Here. Did you know we’re /here/“ stop.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

This is Gibraltar. It's not Djibouti.

Go look at a map. It would be far more threatening to make a port call at Diego Garcia, as you're not constrained by the Mediterranean Ocean, warning times would be much shorter for missiles fired a couple hundred nautical miles offshore in the Indian Ocean, and there aren't friendly nations in the way if one or more of the missiles fail (In the Gulf War, out of 282 successful launches, 242 hit their target, which is a failure rate of ((282 - 242) / 282) * 100 = 14.2%. I'm not counting boost failures which was another 6 ).

The tactical Tomahawk missiles loaded into our SSGNs have a range of something over 900 nautical miles, which means you have to be in the Eastern Mediterranean to hit targets in Iran. I doubt very highly that this is an SLBM equipped Ohio, which would have precisely zero use. So it's either USS Florida or USS Georgia.

It's roughly 1,900 nautical miles from Gibraltar to the Eastern Med off the coast of Israel. At 10 knots, that's going to take 1,900/10 = 190 hours, which when you divide by 24, you get roughly 8 days travel.

Even if they stand off a bit farther, that's still an entire week.

So no, it's not a "day's drive". It's more like driving from Key West, FL up to Prudhoe Bay, AK, and back again. At least, it would take the same amount of time, assuming drivers rotating shifts and stops just for gas.

Circling back to the warning times, it's not inconceivable for Iran to have spies in places like Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq. Since the Tomahawk flies at about 500 knots, if one or more gets spotted you could have at least an hour's warning, which won't let you move buildings, but you could evacuate important personnel.

And they don't even have to have spies. All they have to do is keep an eye on social media for posts like this: https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/2027644542694961632

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smokedfishfriday@reddit

Dawg, we do not regularly make port visits of our Ohio class boomers. To reveal one is an unmistakable nuclear threat.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

You're right, it's not a *REGULAR* thing, which you should have recognized from this:

which is unusual, but certainly not unprecedented.

And it's not unprecedented:

https://www.frstrategie.org/en/publications/recherches-et-documents/calling-foreign-ports-re-emerging-practice-us-nuclear-armed-submarines-2023

Yes, that's right, one made a port call in Busan, South Korea during the Biden Administration.

And if you read further, you'll see this:

The first SSBN to call on a foreign port was the USS John Marshall (SSBN-611), which docked in Izmir (Turkey) in 1962. Since that date, port visits have played an important but discreet role in the US naval mission and as of 2023, Washington has conducted foreign port visits to at least 22 countries, including, to name a few, South Korea, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Italy. Over the course of forty years, from 1962 to 2000, the Navy conducted at least 160 port visits.

That's 2000 - 1962 = 38 years

160 port calls / 38 years = \~4 per year.

So yeah, it's unusual, but not unprecedented.

Untwist your panties.

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smokedfishfriday@reddit

Who are you talking to with your weird condescending misogyny?

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

What misogyny? It's a common expression.

https://www.reddit.com/r/etymology/comments/as779h/where_did_the_phrase_dont_get_your_panties_in_a/

But of course you've got to turn it into something else, don't you? I find the idea that you'd just jump into assuming it was a misogynist comment quite misandrist.

And my point stands: This is done roughly, based upon actual numbers, several times a year. It's not super common, but it's not all that rare also, so stop acting like it's a sign of the End Times.

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dyslexicwriterwrites@reddit

Genuinely interested in your thought process here. Yes, “knickers in a twist” is a common expression, as discussed in the link you included. “Untwist your panties” is needlessly and pointedly gendered. The change of knickers/underwear to panties (or other undergarments worn mainly by women) and its change of connotation on the phrase was also discussed. So I’m baffled on how you thought this dismissed the misogyny claim.

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Gotl0stinthesauce@reddit

Lmao grow up. It’s the internet, you’ll be fine

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dyslexicwriterwrites@reddit

Dude, calm down. The convo was over 10 hours before you chimed in.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

If you're worried about genderism and misogyny in commonly used phrases, you've got entirely too much time on your hands, and likely a persecution complex.

So why don't you go back to flipping through your 11th Edition of the Newspeak dictionary and leave us adults to talk about the implications of an SSGN making a port call at Gibraltar?

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smokedfishfriday@reddit

??? No you just are clearly a misogynist and people do not like that.

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smokedfishfriday@reddit

Why did you select that expression, dummy?

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choke_my_chocobo@reddit

How about "who pissed in your Cheerios" instead?

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raventhrowaway666@reddit

Its incredible how prior to the Regime, our military was a force to be reckoned with. We were the world police. The US military worked quietly to do the jobs it needed to ~~make wealthy men richer~~ to project soft power.

Now, we regularly have helicopter crashing, losing fighter jets, our battle ships are on fire, moral is at an all time low, active duty deployed overseas are dying in the dozens.

All that and yet we still have brain dead MAGAts who do gold star mental gymnastics to cope with the fact that we're weaker, more vulnerable, and a massive target for other countries.

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No-Breadfruit-4555@reddit

Surely you can count high enough to realize that the casualty count isn’t “in the dozens”. We don’t have battleships anymore, it’s morale not moral, and accident rates are no higher than they’ve been before. Not sure military editorializing is something you need to be doing…

And I thought being world police was a bad thing? Make up your mind.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

You mean the Reagan military, right?

Certainly not the Carter or Clinton military.

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raventhrowaway666@reddit

I dont know, I can't speak for those times. I can only speak for when I served under Obama where we had OpSec and integrity.

I feel terrible for those enlisted right now. Being treated like disposable pieces of shit.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

I can. I served under Reagan and Bush I, I have a cousin who served under Carter, and I have two brothers. One served under Clinton, the other under Clinton and Bush II.

OPSEC during the Obama administration? Are you trying to make me laugh? Two of the biggest releases of classified information since the original Pentagon Papers happened during the Obama administration:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_disclosures

BTW, I worked at the same top secret facility Snowden worked at, except I was there when he was still in kindergarten.

Then you had Benghazi, which the Obama administration initially blamed on a filmmaker when in fact it had nothing to do with that: https://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/nov/2/study-media-accepted-obama-version-benghazi-attack/

You had the VA wait-list scandal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Veterans_Health_Administration_controversy

I should note that I applied for VA disability due to my hearing just last year and I was seen quickly and also approved quickly, so that's gotten better.

Then we had the decline of standards in the Navy:

https://features.propublica.org/navy-accidents/us-navy-crashes-japan-cause-mccain/

Read the article, it details how the Navy's 7th Fleet, despite numerous warnings during the Obama administration, was being over-tasked and under-trained. Yes, the collisions happened during the first few months of the first Trump administration, but they were the result of years of neglect.

Now, it wasn't all bad. The killing of Osama bin Laden was something he did right. Kudos to President Obama for that. I know some people didn't like it, but it was like Operation Vengeance all over again.

He also fired General McChrystal after the general made some disparaging remarks about him in the press. Absolutely 100% in support of that. President is the Commander-in-Chief. You don't like it? Resign and then talk to the press, or keep your mouth shut, salute, and say "Yes, Sir!".

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Thehealthygamer@reddit

Maybe they're also thinking of extending the deployment to keep the sub on station. Imagine your 6 month rotation in a coffin getting extended indefinitely lmao, be enough to drive me to launch the nukes.

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algaefied_creek@reddit

Mediterranean Threat Revealed through the Fog of War.

Do you want to make a declaration or condemnation of the opposing civilization?

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ComprehendReading@reddit

I toggle AI using the console commands.

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justgonnasendit291@reddit

I think it’s also important to remember that these boats are extremely old. It’s totally possible that they needed a piece of equipment that wasn’t easily handled at sea replaced.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

I think that is unlikely. We don't know where their patrol boxes are, but unless it was something really critical they'd head back to King's Bay in Georgia. If they were in the north, depending on where, they might head towards Groton, CT, or maybe over to HNMB Clyde in Scotland.

There's no infrastructure at Gibraltar to handle nuclear submarines.

We don't know which particular Ohio boat this is, but the oldest Atlantic based boat, the USS Georgia, is only 42 years old and she was converted into an SSGN, carrying 154 tomahawk missiles instead of 24 SLBMs^(1). She was overhauled in 2005 when the conversion was done, just 21 years ago.

I'm betting that the Ohio in this case is an SSGN conversion. That's a lot of firepower, and you don't need or want to use nuclear tipped submarine launched ballistic missiles. They also carry over 60 special operations troops on a patrol. That's also a lot of surgical capability.

^(1. Current Ohio SSBNs have 4 of their tubes disabled, for a total 20 missiles per boat. This doesn't apply to the SSGN conversions who have 22 tubes for missiles and 2 converted to diver lockout and equipment storage.)

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Current_Volume3750@reddit

Ah but how soon before Cheetolini does annonce

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

He doesn’t know them.

We had the vice president visit the facility where I worked. I wasn’t on shift, but I do know that the areas he visited had to be “scrubbed” beforehand. And he was a former CIA director. I also toured USS Olympia (SSN-717, not CA-5, but I’ve been on board her too) and they had to

Of course, he could always order the Navy to tell him, that’s his prerogative as commander in chief.

But hey, you got your dig in at Trump, so get an orange star.

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dalton10e@reddit

Bush senior?

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

Gee, was it that obvious?

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KoreyYrvaI@reddit

I was stationed on board the Oly from 04-08. Need to know is a huge part of submarine operation. We got spotted by a whale watching boat off California coast while I was there, because they had 100 people with binos and saw our periscope.

The boat acted like we got spotted by China a mile off their coast. It was wild.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

That's an appropriate response, because training. Eyeball ASW is a thing even if you don't have your periscope up, if you're at shallow depth and the water is clear enough.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

I toured her back around 1988, IIRC, down in Pearl Harbor. A fellow "ditty bopper" of the female persuasion was married to one of the sonar operators on the boat, and she arranged a tour for me and my room-mates because she knew I was interested in submarines.

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AirborneGeek@reddit

Oh yikes.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but if I were ever on a whale watching boat and I thought I saw some shit with my binocs, no I fucking didn't.

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Nemisis_the_2nd@reddit

how soon before Cheetolini does announce an operational location?

About -9 years. Trump revealed the location of the USS Cheyenne to the Philippines president in a publicised phone call while its location was still secret, because he wanted to brag about having 2 nuclear subs close to N Korea. (It was heading to a port in Japan and was revealed as such a few days after the call)

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MustyBox@reddit

10:1 it’s gonna be parked off the coast of Paraguay.

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BWest829@reddit

You should get ground news. It’s not that expensive and it gives you access to so many news publications and it shows you who each one is owned by and it’s bias. It’s a really good aggregate for staying informed.

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dittybopper_05H@reddit

I've thought about it. Maybe I'll look into it a bit more.

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jbjhill@reddit

Big fan. Nice to be able to see how the different factions are framing stories (generally how you think it’d be).

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Big_Fortune_4574@reddit (OP)

Here is one of the many sources: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/skbelo1kzg

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sundancer2788@reddit

That was fucking stupid.

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Suspicious-Agent8932@reddit

Idiots. Who tells an enemy where their subs are?!? Isn’t stealth the factor? Escalation without knowing WHAT AND WHERE Iran’s nuclear capabilities lie is the height of ignorance. The fact the Iranians haven’t blinked, is enough to give me chills, when are the adults going to be in charge again?!? Is there an Avenger for this moment?!? Where’s Dr. Strange, we need to remove these idiots from our timeline!🤣😂🤣😂

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Big_Fortune_4574@reddit (OP)

I should have posted in r/civpolitics