EU foreign ministers approve sanctions on violent Israeli settlers, Hamas leaders
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Green_Space729@reddit
Are they sanctioning the individual settlers(which theirs almost a million of) or sanctioning Israel itself for supporting and organization these violent attacks in the West Bank?
They’re most likely going to sanction a small group of individuals which will accomplish nothing claim they’ve done their job wipe their hands of it than remove the sanctions a few month later.
Assassiiinuss@reddit
There's two types of settlers, "normal" ones that are just living in cities in the West Bank or East Jerusalem and radical ones, those who assault or even kill Palestinians, actively steal land, etc. I assume the sanctions are aimed at the second type, there aren't that many of those.
Stubbs94@reddit
There is only 1 type of "settler". They are all benefiting from and engaging in ethnic cleansing.
meister2983@reddit
Damn those children born in the wrong place! Horrible people they are
Stubbs94@reddit
I know right? How dare they come from the US to steal the Palestinians homes.
SirStupidity@reddit
Yep, this is (assuming it's implemented in a proper fashion) a great move in my opinion. If Americans didn't elect Trump we could have seen the effects of the Biden led sanctions but I do think that international pressure can make the settlement expansion, especially such a violent and radical as we've seen under this government, no longer the "real politik" best option for Israel.
REKTGET3162@reddit
I agree, it would have been fun to see that 4 settlers Biden sanctioned get pressured.
SirStupidity@reddit
Like it or not the violent extremist settler movement isn't that large, an indicator for that is that Smotrich who is by far the leader of the insane gains made by that movement in the last 3 years is barely passing into the next knesset if polls are accurate. That means that roughly 3% of Israelis want to vote for him.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
And OY? Likud? UTJ? You really are pathetic trying to whitewash Israeli violence and expansionism.
SirStupidity@reddit
None of them campaigned or champion this cause. Smotrich's party is by far the champion and leader of this cause. OY are an "Arab bad" populist party which has only managed to stick their fingers into the world's eye and worsen the imprisonment conditions of Palestinians. Likud is Bibi loyalists and Bibi won't be willing to pay actual prices for expanding settlements (look at Bibi - Obama). UTJ? Any Haredi party isn't going on the bat for any cause that isn't a Haredi cause, and expanding violent settlers aren't Haredi but Dati Leumi.
I'm not trying to whitewash anything, the vast majority of Israelis simply dont really give much of a fuck tbh. This, combined with the world's inability to address this issue and make non ideological Israelis incurr prices for violence and expansion, is why the minority which really cares has been able to progress this cause for decades and especially since October 7th.
I'm happy that Europe, and pre Trump America, is finally able to see that you can support Israel's right to exist and defend itself and at the same time take action against the individuals leading this crazed messianic violent political movement. I generally support further actions against them as well.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
OY are a “death to the Arabs” party, as are Likud, but Likud is slightly more restrained. It’s Ben Gvir’s genius idea to give weapons to settler militias and no one is surprised they use those weapons to kill innocents. That is the point of giving them those guns in the first place. Meanwhile Likud gives soldiers and settlers free rein to murder anyone Palestinian. The defence and justice ministers and the prime minister all support Jewish violence and protect and empower extremists to commit more violence. You’re right about UTJ, though.
Of course you are whitewashing Israeli atrocities. You are always whitewashing Israeli atrocities. It’s a key part of Zionism. This measure will be completely ineffective. It’s designed to be. It doesn’t impact these monsters one bit. Meanwhile the majority of Israelis support the violence and want more.
SirStupidity@reddit
Sure, it's a populist and ineffective far right party.
The Likud under Bibi is devoid of pretty much any ideology.
He had the genius idea to make a populist move to garner support and he doesnt care about the actual consequences.
Because it's a cost free action that "improves" Israel's position, not because it's an ideologically important position, European sanctions should hopefully help with that. Have you not been reading what you're replying to?
You're both wrong and being reductive, can't think of the last time being wrong and reductive has helped the world into a better situation.
HalfLeper@reddit
Counterpoint: Likud’s ideology is “Whatever keeps Bibi out of jail” 😛
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
SirStupidity, first you attempt to blame Smotrich for all the settler violence and at the same time attempt to minimise said violence, then you are forced to admit Likud and OY are also pro-violence while claiming OY is ineffective, ignoring that OY is why the settlers have more guns and are using them. Then Likud is declared non-ideological even though it has a very clear desire to mass murder, ethnically cleanse and/or genocide the Palestinians.
Then you call me reductive. Because after all that BS you might as well project what you’re doing onto me.
Settler violence is only getting worse. That is obvious. There are at least thousands ig not tens of thousands of violent settlers - the small and large pogroms by settlers on towns all over Area C of the West Bank, plus the humdrum old hit and run attacks, rape, murders and so much other violence proves that. Laughably, you even go so far as to say that murdering people for their land is a non-ideological position. Absurd.
A set of sanctions that have a small chance of mildly inconveniencing an Israeli who arrives in Europe may be put in place, or they may be scaled back so as to be fair to Israel by giving it everything it wants and then supporting it further while it commits atrocities.
You are merely playing along in order to keep the abuse and terror (and genocide) going. Israel has already laughed off these sanctions and European politicians from most EU countries will require a lot of voter pressure to change and actually apply sanctions on Israel. In the meantime I’m not going to pretend that this will do or affect anything. It’s not like you would support it if it did, would you?
SirStupidity@reddit
A huge wall of text and then you write this
Which means you agree with me, it's a small political movement. Which is why sanctions against organizers and leaders could be effective.
Anyway, you're a schizo poster as usual so have a good day buddy.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
lol. “I was right if you don’t understand numbers or voting.”
Stubbs94@reddit
Every single Israeli occupying the West Bank is a problem.
SirStupidity@reddit
Let's say I agree. A Haredi dude in Modiin Elit is a vastly different problem then some Noar Gvaot monster who is living in some caravan on a hill and enjoys the occasional lynching.
You people are thinking of yourselves as advocates of the righteous cause, but nothing righteous comes from ignorance and reductiveness.
Stubbs94@reddit
There were plenty of peaceful "settlers" during the expansion of the US through indigenous land. That doesn't mean they weren't land stealing.
SirStupidity@reddit
You're making a moral argument which isn't what we're talking about. The Haredi in Modiin Elit isn't an ideological actor, which is what I'm saying.
AwTomorrow@reddit
The former ones are only there because the latter ones paved the way, killed or violently drove out the original occupants, and started the settlements that became the towns the former ones now live in, no?
So still complicit even if not actively carrying out gun-toting colonialism in person.
Assassiiinuss@reddit
Yes, but the problem with the actively violent settlers would be easy to solve if Israel was willing to, that's why countries focus the pressure there. Deporting the other settlers is almost impossible.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Great, so the settlers stop being violent. Then what? The only expulsions and ethnic cleansing will be done by the IDF. Great! Huge win for the Palestinians…
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You mean “normal” ones that believe in greater Israel, support Israeli violence and feel that Palestinians don’t have human rights, and should all be expelled from their homes and radical ones that believe in greater Israel, support Israeli violence, feel that Palestinians don’t have human rights and should all be expelled from their homes and engage in shocking amounts of violence while being supported by most Israelis and the IDF.
CoC_Axis_of_Evil@reddit
Have you not seen the videos of people being bulldozed in their house? ??
pimmen89@reddit
They’re sanctioning the individual settlers. That list will have to be updated regularly since Israel’s comtinues financing and military support to the settlers creates more of them all the time.
This is a symbolic gesture from the EU that will do jack and shit.
polymute@reddit (OP)
Ehem.
They are sanctioning the network of the fascist Ben-Gvir/Smotrich party. Travel bans to Europe. Asset seizures. Etc.
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/2026-05-11/ty-article/.premium/eus-top-diplomat-says-bloc-expected-to-approve-sanctions-on-israeli-settlers/0000019e-16b1-d14f-abfe-17b501a40000
stonkmarxist@reddit
Still not pointing them where they need to go.
This problem is so much deeper than a few settler groups. These breaches of international law are aided and abetted at every opportunity by Israel's national military. State level sanctions should have been in place long, long ago.
polymute@reddit (OP)
That is an important state official. That is a condemnation of the state's actions. Not enough, but something.
waiver@reddit
Yeah, but that state official who was put in charge of most Israeli land management was not sanctioned.
Wooden-Agent2669@reddit
Get ready for the social media campaign from Israel for the europeans daring to sanction her.
CoC_Axis_of_Evil@reddit
I think you can build on this. There always is an effort to minimize punishment of Israel as some futile exercise. It can be ramped up easily. .
Wooden-Agent2669@reddit
The issue is that those first sanctions happened in 2024 and since then silence, there wasn't a ramp up
The full suspension of the EU–Israel Association Agreement is held back by Germany and Austria
https://x.com/i/status/2053807895754465509
CoC_Axis_of_Evil@reddit
Germany literally gave Israel a nuclear submarine the other year, I find it hard to believe they can be taken seriously.
Moppermonster@reddit
Perhaps someone would even dare to ask the hard questions, like "how many settlers are serving a jail sentence for violence against inhabitants of the west bank".
(Cue clickbait: how low the number is will surprise you)
PartySr@reddit
In the last 6 years, no settler was persecuted for their crimes in West Bank.
Source
Everyone In Israel is supporting these terrorists. IOF terrorists who are helping the terrorists and also attacking/raping and killing the Palestinians by themselves. The justice system, the government, the police, and the Israeli citizens.
polymute@reddit (OP)
From the article:
Hoppá. As we like to say in Hungary. (One of those untranslatable words, kind of a cutesy oops, but more serious, expresses mild positive surprise in this context.)
Moppermonster@reddit
The exact same word is used in quite a few other countries ;)
polymute@reddit (OP)
Ooh, which ones? Central-European? The old Austro-Hungarian Empire's territory has a pretty solid Sprachbund.
HalfLeper@reddit
Is it related to Greek and Russian “Opa,” do you think? 🤔
Tsofuable@reddit
Sounds very much like the Swedish "Hoppla".
horseshoe107@reddit
By the way, Israel imports almost all of its crude oil ( https://www.iea.org/countries/israel/oil has it at around 97%).
And according to https://oilchange.org/publications/an-update-on-the-origins-of-israels-fuel-supply/, of that imported crude, about 40% comes from Azerbaijan via pipeline through Turkey (then shipped), 30% from Kazakhstan via pipeline through Russia (then shipped).
I don't think Israel cares much about sanctions.
SenorZorros@reddit
It's certainly a start. The EU is always slow to react but considering the way some of the member states have continues to shield the regime from sanctions, this may very well be a turning point. Let's just hope that the pressure is maintained instead of people resting on their laurels.
combrade@reddit
Sanctions are never done against an entire country’s goods or people . You enforce sanctions on selected individuals, businesses and certain type of goods. Even right now, I can go to Russian grocery store near me in any large American city and buy my favorite Russian tea or Russian snacks.
We should just extend this and do sanctions on all businesses that operate inside the West Bank . Sanctions have always been surgical and should always remain the same. There are millions of Israeli Arabs and not to mention Israeli NGOs that do wonderful work showing injustices Palestinians face in the West Bank . We should have focused sanctions on Israeli individuals and organizations violating international law.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
That’s not true for Iran. The sanctions are for everything. (The point of Iran sanctions seemed to be to crush the country so it could be invaded and balkanised. That didn’t work out, so the sanctions are still there. )
polymute@reddit (OP)
Israeli politicians and state officials advocating for, actively participating or enabling ethnic cleansing and genocide too. Personally and institutionally. The specific institutions of the state responsible for settler affairs too.
Wooden-Agent2669@reddit
A list of who these Groups are from Peacenow : https://peacenow.org.il/en/the-eu-council-decides-to-impose-sanction-on-four-settler-organizations
thebolts@reddit
Still a small step in the right direction.
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