And remember, minimum wages are not common in those highly developed countries, unlike in the Balkans where at least 80% of the population lives on it because of the inherently abusive employers.
Oddly enough though, Romania is one of the oldest producers of oil. Before places like Iraq, the Saudis and Libya.
Though the explanation for this mess is more complicated than that.
Not the painter... The Red Czar from the East. After the war, they milked the oil, uraniumand what ever of value.
We still produce 20% of our oil need.
for romania at least we have one of the highest taxes in the EU on almost everything.
they steal a shit ton and when they have no money left they increase the taxes to cover the whole they left and they never lower them after.
why do you leave outside the cartel of the petroleum companies?
that's the most important factor, for a country where some of the strongest shipowners are based and refines oil for itself (and exports)
Oil derivates have always been expensive in Norway.
It's a governmental decision to tax the crap out of anything they deem unwanted for health or environmental concerns.
For Serbia it's just highway robbery with the tax that comes along with it. The same mentality could probably be found in Albania or Greece, it's just that Serbia is the champ of being the worst at this. We always point to countries like Croatia and Slovenia as countries with a better standard of living and cheaper fuel. There's also a lot of border-hopping. Plenty of Serbs living on the border of Bosnia hop over to refuel because it's much cheaper then here. The same thing occurs with groceries with people hoping into Croatia.
I highly doubt that, at least not if we just compare Zagreb and Belgrade. In fact I'd say they seem closer to one anotehr, which is worse in Serbia's case since our standard of living is lower. Combine that with the prices of stuff at the grocery, and I'm fairly certain that the average person in Croatia has a higher purchasing power than the average person in Serbia.
\+ probably more job opportunities since Belgrade has all the huge companies from every sphere, even though Croatia (and therefore Zagreb) are in the EU, Serbia (especially Belgrade) isn't missing out much in high level jobs. Even in Novi Sad you have a lot of IT firms and job opportunities for a lot of stuff. Everywhere else not so much and it gets more depressing and underdeveloped the more south you go.
On the other hand, Belgrade has the worst traffic known to man + Serbia has way to many political instabilities over the last 1.5 years.
City life=hanging out and having fun as a young adult.
I despise the traffic but thats kinda an adult pain in the ass. When you are younger you care less.
I said the mentality is roughly the same, and that Serbia is the champ at being worst at this. NIS has been getting relatively cheap fuel through Gazprom, probably the only good aspect of that shameful acquisition deal. The problem was, the cheap fuel meant fuck all to the average Serb, because the government decided to slap as much tax as it wants because you are forced to use it no matter what.
To my knowledge, Albania has no fuel deal of the sort nor the infrastructure. Their shitty prices at least have some legit excuses (with the added corruption too), ours don't. Second, these are petrol prices, which is typically more expensive. In Serbia, diesel has been more expensive for years, and by no small margin. And would you look at that..60-70% of the ppl drive diesel in Serbia.
cause we're not in mercy with US, we're not in EU and we are the sh8thole of Europe.
Also the political situation is that what it is for the last 30 years
I was walking to work today and saw one of those weird old custom benz-ambulance models.
Have you ever seen a cut-in-half old benz, with a welded container on the back? Sort of like this, but even more ridiculous 😭
https://preview.redd.it/cfp7y2734q0h1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e17fa02f2bab004135ad2f89a2d43b407862216b
Largely taxes and climate taxes stacked up thick. They recently cut some of it TEMPORARILY to offset the "crisis"
We can and do refine a fair amount of our own oil, so it primarily boils down to taxes/fees laid on by the government
Ist vermutlich wie in der Türkei: Weil sie es nicht hinbekommen eine funktionierende Einkommens- und Körperschaftssteuer zu etablieren, machen sie es über Benzin. Vermutlich auch noch über Alkohol und andere übertriebene Steuern.
Imagine having a foreigner try to tell you how things work in a country you grew up in... 🙄🤦
Classic Reddit moment, I guess.
And yes, you are very wrong. Prices, even in the more accessible and populated areas, remain high. Higher than Switzerland (as of 2022 when I visited both). A wealthier and more mountainous region with 0 access to the sea. And in case I need to spell it out, access via water is important for trade and movement of goods even in this day and age.
Canary islands current prices, they are even cheaper that neighboring Morocco where the average salary is 3 to 4 times less. this debunks the islands argument.
In Greece the answer is very simple. Taxes. We have special taxes on fuels, so the price is artificially high. If tomorrow we transferred all the tax revenue that we make from fuel to the genera taxation, this would get quite cheaper
For the Americans snooping around remember there are 3.78 liters in a gallon so multiple each price by 3.78 to get the equivalent to American prices at the pump.
Basically California gas prices are a wet dream for some Europeans!
\*Note European gasoline are at higher octane levels and Europeans tend to drive less for work and chores but love their roadtrips so these prices will affect tourism and family trips in Europe this summer…
So yes and no most people use 85 and 87 mon here in the USA that would be like 90 and 92 Ron in Europe
I use 91 which is our most common “premium octane level) we have 93 but more rare and for European cars like Ferrari etc which 91 is 96 Europe Ron
Europe tends to be higher by us 5 points which is the difference but in the end the differences are small but 91 mon for me is 5.62 dollars a gallon which is cheaper in the USA but still lower octane
I gusss petrol is one of the easiest ways to control for an government that taxes are being payed. Gas stations probably can’t cut corners and cheat on this. This could be a reason for Albania why the gas price is so high.
For Greece, I think that a large part of the population lives in Athens and islands far from neighbouring countries plays a big role in the high gas prices. Government knows that people have no other choice than to pay these high prices.
Petrol its huge factor for commercial deficit, foreign dependency and inflation im a xountry with no petrol. Raising taxes provides funding while reducing consume.
It's precisely this. Albania is a highly informal economy, the one place where the government can knock it out of the park with taxes, is in fuels. And they do exactly that.
Also let's not forget that Albania is a small market, therefore suppliers can't make good use of economy of scale to bring the price down.
Out of these 25 countries, only 5 of them are balkan, 3 of which are basically at the bottom. This isn’t a byproduct of being Balkan, it’s a byproduct of being part of the EU and in some instances inflation caused by corruption. Being part of the EU has its ups and downs, with this list of gas prices being one of the downs.
I see you have not met a Balkan cocalar
https://preview.redd.it/hflimwqgoc0h1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=408e1328422d4251a9a729711e3e838f652b5e1a
He thinks if he spends money on the dumbest shit, people will think he is rich but we all know he is unemployed and lives with his grandma
I lived in Tirana for 8 years, everytime I drove around the block for 45 minutes to find a parking spot, I kept telling myself, damn it, if only I had an EV, I would've driven around the block for 180 minutes to find a parking spot.
Maybe a bit. Public charging prices are still higher per 100 km compared to fossil fuels, and prices keep rising.
Right now EVs make the most sense for shorter daily commutes, if you can charge at home using your own solar panels.
Maybe its the prices for 100 octane fuel? Prices in my city are around 2-2.10 for normal fuel. Still pretty expensive considering we are slightly lower than places in western Europe that have more than double the salaries.
Στο παρατηρητήριο τιμών υγρών καυσίμων, για Θεσσαλονίκη με απλή αμόλυβδη οι τιμές κυμαίνονται από 1,99 μέχρι 2,2.
Στις Κυκλάδες κυμαίνονται από 2,15 μέχρι 2,46. Πάντα Unleaded 95.
In Poland i just tanked for slightly over 7 zł per littre.i think it was 7,06 or something like this. So around 1,66 euro not so bad but i still miss it when it was below 6 zł. I tanked for 200 zł. I earn around 4,700(~1100 euro) per month. And the fuel i just got should last me for around month. Especially if weather will be better then i will return to bike. i have around 7/8 km to work.
In Italy, the government cut taxes on fuel by indebting the country even more. So yeah, it's a mid price but it's just to speed up our future collapse.
The name...? I guess I am understanding your point, but there are a few countries from the Balkans, and considering their standard of living, it's still sad they are on the list. Especially Albania, that's wild.
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