What are your thoughts on Lupita Nyong’o playing Hellen of Troy & Elliot Page playing Achilles in Christopher Nolan’s upcoming movie ”The Odyssey”?
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This is the alleged cast.
GayOver@reddit
You know it´s bad, when nobody is complaining that Zendaya is in it.
GravitysRelative@reddit
Zendaya could be plopped into any Balkan town and look like a local.
I could see her even plummaging through a dumpster with a donkey.
GayOver@reddit
you had me in the first half, not gonna lie
GravitysRelative@reddit
I meant she could pass for cigani, Greek, anything.
Adorable-Ad-1180@reddit
People "Freak out" about her because for a long time the media was trying to push her as beautiful on us, when many of us did not agree and were clearly feeling gaslit. This seems to have stopped tho.
As for casting her in this, totally fine. She's not a good actress, but looks much more local to here than Brad pitt and Diane Kruger do.
leftleftpath@reddit
Weird. Most people I know, including myself, always thought she was gorgeous. Easily one of the best looking actresses working today.
Adorable-Ad-1180@reddit
Gorgeous? Just curious, are you a woman yourself or something?
Objectively she's attractive. Tall, young, skinny, hair/nails/clothes high quality and expensive, and has nice caramel colored skin. But subjectively, her face unattractive to me and my guess would be most men. Maybe women like her face, because women like men's faces.
leftleftpath@reddit
I'm a woman who is also attracted to women, but the people I know who praise her beauty are both men and women. I think you're overestimating how many people agree with you lol
Excellent-Spend-1863@reddit
So Nupita Nyong’o, in your book, looks more Greek than Diane Kruger? What in the DEI fuck is that?
Adorable-Ad-1180@reddit
We are talking about Zendaya.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Lol, except she clearly does appeal as many of her series/films are very successful.
It's just with the online edgelords that she doesn't appeal.
GayOver@reddit
Every movie she was successful with was due to another lead role and not her, that is why she is so unpopular with the people.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
😂 sure thing bud, grasping at straws here.
She is quite popular, just not with the anti woke racists😂
GayOver@reddit
I don´t believe you
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
It's already clear that you don't belief reality.
GayOver@reddit
I have heard of it recently, but because of Jacob Elordi and Sydney Sweeney. Why would it not exist, if I haven´t heard of it?
pmmemassivedongs@reddit
Zendaya was literally the breakout star of the first two seasons of Euphoria before Jacob and Sydney were major household names. And she was amazing in it. You sound like someone with an opinion based on cultural talk rather than your own experiences
GayOver@reddit
You want me to magically hear it from a different place so it fits your agenda? What am I supposed to do, unhear it?
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
😂 see, desperate to ignore the reality.
Your hate for Zendaya colours your view of reality. Perhaps just to some introspection to see where this racism is coming from, instead of denying reality?
GravitysRelative@reddit
You say racist like it's a bad thing.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Lol, bad ragebait
GravitysRelative@reddit
Not rage bait. I think you're lost.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
👍
Adorable-Ad-1180@reddit
I guess she is appealing to a lot of people, you know pop culture and lgbtq/black/woke side better than I do. My only point was many of us don't agree she's attractive. Average balkan girl on the street corner looks much better.
SuccotashEarly1849@reddit
I genuinely think she's very striking and I think the majority agree - have you seen her red carpet looks? She looks absolutely stunning in all of them due to her facial and body structure.
But that also works against her because she's more belieable as a model than an actress. But also also that's why she keeps getting hired.
That's why it's so weird to me when people suggest she's not conventionally beautiful, because that's the exact reason she keeps booking film roles. On an individual level she may not be everyone's cup of tea, but from an objective POV, she's attractive.
GravitysRelative@reddit
She obviously is attractive.
People freaked out because she was DEI, that's about it. But she's hot, people thinking she's not are delusional.
GayOver@reddit
yeah, but not as Athena or Helena, which is why people have a problem. I don´t even think she is the worst actor out there, but they keep using her for roles that make no sense to her.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
No people have a problem due to racism.
She's literally playing a goddess in an old mythological story. They can interpret it and change it in many ways. And race is not actually important to the story, so people just like to bitch about their preferred skin colour.
GayOver@reddit
Matt Damon is also wrong for the role. Also, every time somebody blames racism, it´s cause the content sucks and flops. And every time it´s the same comment, as if by bots. It´s not even phrased differently.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Lol, like Bridgerton, the Rings of Power, the house of Dragon, the last of us. All such flops😂
And then calling people who point it out bots, as if having a logical predictable argument is a bad thing. As opposed to the wild racist fabrications the anti workers come up with.😂
GayOver@reddit
I don´t think you get what I´m saying and are talking past me, based on other experiences.. This is not about racism, like I said, Damon is also wrong for the role. Bridgerton, never in my life heard of that, that´s how successful it is. Rings of power is a massive flop, but still being pushed, which is an argument against what you are propagating. I want to give house of the dragon another chance at some point. Also I have not heard similar stuff about house of the dragon, but maybe that´s just me.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Lol, if you haven't heard of it it must not be successful 😂 oh boy, logic has left the building.
Rings of power is the most watched Amazon show.
Why do you feel the need to make up stuff and pretend that your bubble is relevant for overall popularity?
GayOver@reddit
Rings of power is a financial flop and most people dropped it. Just confirmed it via AI, as to not let myself be clouded by memory. It doesn´t mention being the most watched on Amazon, but that is not how you rate if it´s successful or not. Only by the financial aspect and how it´s being received by public. Basically, you are picking something that works for me. What is even the argument for Bridgerton and how does it have anything to do wit Matt Damon and Zendaya being wrong for the movie? I genuinely have never heard of the show, so I have no Idea if it even got the backlash like Rings of Power?
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Cool, keep being oblivious.
GayOver@reddit
I´m trying, but you lied about rings of power and wont answer for this Bridgerton series, so what more can I do? How am I not to think you are a bot, after this comment?
Fun-Wrongdoer1316@reddit
Bridgerton was only big in season 1. Most people dropped it after. It’s a Netflix show.
GayOver@reddit
tnx
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Lol, no lies, and you have Google yourself. You really need people to spell everything out for you?
You are not trying, you are choosing to be oblivious.
And to answer your last question: by actually thinking, instead of jumping to weird faulty conclusions.
But you do you, which is pretending the zendaya hate is not caused by racism at all. Pathetic.
GayOver@reddit
I am thinking and I googled rings of power and it says, it´s a flop. What do you not get there? If you use a series as an argument, you should state why, otherwise, if someone doesn´t know the series, how is there any connection to what you state? I can only assume there was no backlash for Bridgerton. I don´t have to make your arguments for you. Hence why I argued, that you are a bot.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
😂 my god, the projection is deep.
Enjoy your chosen obliviousness. Trying to make you think turns out to be a waste of time.
Bye bot. It's clear that logic holds no place with you.
Fun-Wrongdoer1316@reddit
This is the first I’m hearing about rings of power… I’m gonna go check it out now though 🤷🏻♂️
SuccotashEarly1849@reddit
💯💯💯
anniehall330@reddit
When she was in Hungary, barely anyone noticed her in the streets cause she looked like a regular gypsy girl, my problem is that she’s not a good actor yet she’s everywhere.
FuroreLT@reddit
She is indeed very mid
nightskyandromeda@reddit
Lmfao
faramaobscena@reddit
The curse of using famous actors is I will never look at this and this “hey look, that’s Ulysses” I will always think “hey look, that’s Matt Damon and Zendaya!”
GayOver@reddit
I agree, unless they do something like Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder
rrzibot@reddit
That's was not tom cruise. I never saw tom cruise in this movie.
Beneficial_Coach_268@reddit
Heard John Cena is in this too
ZePepsico@reddit
The other day someone pranked me by saying RDJ was in that movie!
rrzibot@reddit
No. Tropic thunder was nice but you are telling me there was Ethan Hunt and Iron Man in it?
D3athCom3sEasy@reddit
DIET COKE!
GayOver@reddit
hes just that good.
Latter_Summer5912@reddit
The only movies where Tom Cruise is Tom Cruise are the Mission Impossible movies. I’ve seen every single one of them and I can’t remember his name because that’s just Tom.
GayOver@reddit
Agent something 😃
Sea-Bass-9600@reddit
Ethan something
Long-Connection7820@reddit
Snoo-37144@reddit
Lmao, I almost forgot he was in that.
TheFecklessRogue@reddit
That was sublime, you know he wrote most of that character himself. just outstanding work.
Krivoy@reddit
Or, you know, the other one
shadow-on-the-prowl@reddit
Yep. This is literally it for me. Like, let's take every single other issue out of the equation - there are so many A-list actors gathered in one film that it's incredibly distracting. One or two would be fine, but there's so many of them that it's impossible for me to see them as the characters they're trying to portray.
Responsible-Rizzler@reddit
This is why I generally dislike all A listers, they tske me out of the movie.
Except DiCaprio, idk why, but no matter how many movies I see him in, I forget it's DiCaprio and believe it's the character, he is too good at acting.
Sea-Bass-9600@reddit
De Niro, Pacino, Nicholson?
Responsible-Rizzler@reddit
Not recognizable enough for me. (yeah I am not a cinema nerd)
Sea-Bass-9600@reddit
You think only "cinema nerds" recognize them?
Responsible-Rizzler@reddit
Listen, I know like 15 actors, and those aren't them.
I mean I watch movies, I don't, in any way, care about the red.carpet.stuff or actors personal lives or whatever.
imtheguy225@reddit
It’s hilarious cause it shows Christopher Nolan must absolutely hate the source material, and is doing this solely because it’s a massive prestige picture. I can’t think of any other explanation for having Christopher Nolan adapt an epic poem rather than just another super confusing sci-fi film, or who can forget smash hit “British guys get shot at” for 2.5 hours.
Rutgerius@reddit
Are we ready to admit Nolan is a meh director and sucks at telling stories?
Sea-Bass-9600@reddit
He's a great director, not so good a writer
DivinoEzikiel@reddit
No
MonotonousBeing@reddit
Ridiculous how there are 0 Greek actors in it, and no one is bothered by it, should have cast at least John Stamos
Broad_Tie9383@reddit
Agreed. Haven't seen it yet, but generally when that happens to a film, there are fantastic supporting actors who would have done it better, cheaper, and been more fun to watch. Plus, too A listers tend to look too fake. I want some stellar character actors with bad teeth or funny noses, like real people.
ImperialMajestyX02@reddit
That was Oppenheimer too but nobody wanted to admit it
Caverjen@reddit
I was so bored during that movie so I was glad to have "name that actor" as a distraction.
New-Machine8351@reddit
I was so bored during that movie I fell asleep in the movie theatre. Had a good nap! A bit pricey though.
kobanyakispest@reddit
Gen z watching anything other than a tiktok
Caverjen@reddit
Nope, Gen X just being unimpressed
Mihnea24_03@reddit
I couldn't name anyone other than RDJ or Murphy watching it. And it took me a while before I realised it WAS Downey as Strauss
Rough_Suggestion7031@reddit
I liked the earlier one though. Even that had popular actors in important character roles, but they never looked out of place.
TheGreatSoup@reddit
That’s the whole point of a blockbuster movie.
riesen_Bonobo@reddit
If I want to see a bunch of famous actors all in one I can just read one of those shitty Boulevard magazines. Having a full celebrity cast id not ehat ames something a blockbuster.
jack_kellys_hands@reddit
Fyi people said the same shit for Heath Ledger before TDK
thetoog91@reddit
This is why Lord of the Rings worked so well. No big names, a couple of faces you probably recognised but mostly actors you'd never heard of which made for a brilliant ensemble cast which didn't distract from the bigger picture
InfamousKev6@reddit
That was not true at all. You might have just been young or not into movies back then.
thetoog91@reddit
I was 10, but still. I would hardly call any of the cast of LOTR "A-listers" at the time
InfamousKev6@reddit
Ian, Viggo, Liv, Orlando, Cate and Christopher Lee? You were just a kid back then.
MWD1899@reddit
Matt Daaamooon
benthelurk@reddit
The entertainment road is headed down a similar path as every royal family. Keeping it too small. Obviously they aren’t all related and we aren’t talking about breeding but to your point, we get tired of seeing the same actors, regardless of how good they might be able to do a role.
Just the other day on my TV provider’s recommended films, I had like 4 Matt Damon movies one after the other. I like him but in the end I went for The Miracle Club, because Maggie Smith! I had 4 different Matt Damon options and I didn’t feel like I needed any of them. It just felt so needy.
London_Guy_87@reddit
Unless it's a really shit performance I've never seen the actor playing someone I just see the character. Maybe I'm in the minority
WickedClown42@reddit
What about the movie Troy then? That had a lot of famous actors and was still good
DefinitelyNotMasterS@reddit
Same except for johnny depp
Bitter_Dirt4985@reddit
https://i.redd.it/v2m6p8uptf0h1.gif
rrzibot@reddit
That's what we could hope for - for them to be that good that at the end we will see him as Ulysses that same way we still see Russell Crowe as Maximus. I never saw Batman when watching ford Vs Ferrari for example. And I never saw an American psycho at the end of batman.
RespectFlat6282@reddit
People aren't complaining because there's someone darker to complain about.
The complaints are not based on a desire for a better movie, they're based on racism.
GayOver@reddit
you tell them, girl!
ConsistentYou4629@reddit
This is all I'll ever think about no matter what movie he is in
Menethea@reddit
A face that wouldn’t launch 1,000 ships
Ok_Association8083@reddit
what she’s so beautiful
forwheels@reddit
Athena is a tall "chubby" strong woman with not only intelligence but fighting skills ..
Zendaya looks like a kid .
StaysAwakeAllWeek@reddit
Zendaya is 5'10, 29 years old and does in fact have 'fighting skills'
No-Emergency-3493@reddit
She is not chubby.
GayOver@reddit
Imagine if they made her just like that and pushed it to the limit. I would watch a movie just about Athena.
Evignity@reddit
I like Matt Damon,
But he is one of the worst casts for Odessey in history. I'm sorry but it's like Shia Lebouf, you have a "eternally 20-30y" face, you're not going to capture the grizzle depressing nature of the story.
You-Lied-To-Me@reddit
I saw a preview ad for the movie, and tbh it seems like terrible writing for Damon’s character. Your father, our king, will never return “My dad is coming back :/“. -army of men behind him stand still- “let’s go :)”.
And the delivery was just terrible, so if that’s what’s chosen for the preview I have a bad feeling.
Evignity@reddit
He literally just looks like a 20-30y with a fake beard.
As said, I like him as an actor but he does not work for the role. Odysseus is like one the most poignant depressing examples of "Prime man turning into his worst nightmare, the old man." in history and Matt isn't that.
Honestly no one in the entire cast makes me excited, and the stormtroopers with metal boots makes me go meh. I'm not on the hate-train, but this looks so... Wrong?
Original-Car9756@reddit
He's definitely no Russell Crowe in gladiator
GayOver@reddit
very right, I cannot agree more.
kodial79@reddit
I mean seriously now. If you showed me that picture and I didn't know already and you asked me to guess which characters they are playing, and gave me a thousand tries, I would not have said Odysseus and Athena. My first guess would actually be that they're new Star Wars characters cause that's what this looks like to me.
GayOver@reddit
You are right, it´s not just Zendaya. Matt Damon doesn´t fit the role as well. Jake Gyllenhaal would probably fit the role better, just because of his face. Not that it has to be a star, but if, then there´s better choices.
dobar_dan_@reddit
I agree fully. My one beef with Brad Pitt playing Achilles back in the day was solely because a historically accurate ancient Greek person would not be blond and blue eyed.
GayOver@reddit
true
halwalover252@reddit
I don’t get the anger, do you know how many actors of European descent, have been casted in roles for people of color ? They had a white man playing Moses in North Africa, and every other movie based in Egypt or even Japanese mythology they have white leads, hell look at Jesus , a olive to brown skin Jew is played by blond hair blue eyes men, they even have posters of Adam and Eve as white . Danny Glover from lethal weapon fame, said Hollywood resident make his Haiti revolution movie , according to Hollywood executives told him, “we won’t make a movie without any white heroes. Hollywood is cancerous and responsible for the harm done to people of color and negative stereotypes.
GayOver@reddit
that is all also wrong and should not be done, though you didn´t cite any specific movies. I know of the passion of Christ, which was with a Spanish guy and a fitting skin color as well as looks. What movies are you referring to, can you give some names?
Physical-Profit9447@reddit
Well she looks somewhat Mediterranean at least.
cumadam@reddit
but can she morph into an owl?
Original-Car9756@reddit
Maybe a barn owl
orestaras@reddit
It would be a relief
Physical-Profit9447@reddit
That is the neat part.
Unfair_Cartoonist976@reddit
She , in fact , doesn't
Lopsided-Skill@reddit
Not Mediterranean from Italy Greece Turkey which where the character is coming but she would be fine as an Egyptian so yea but no
orestaras@reddit
Too dark for meditarranean
xyzodd@reddit
she could easily pass as north african lmao
CrazySnipah@reddit
Not true. I’ve seen some pretty tanned Mediterranean people who are out in the sun a lot.
Physical-Profit9447@reddit
Kidding, yeah but you know almost passing. Of course some African characteristics but skin tone still passing. We know Nordic phenotype is also uncommon. Sometimes they use actors with obvious Nordic phenotype which is different from 'blondes' of our region.
Palagrin@reddit
yeah but she really doesn't fit the image of athena imo, i sould have liked her as Helen or Brysiida (or however the fuck that name spelt in english) etc
Positive_Stock_3017@reddit
I think it’s the fact that Telemachus calls his father “dad”.
GayOver@reddit
🤮
orestaras@reddit
Maybe that's the reason for this nonsense. To not complaining for Zendaya!
GayOver@reddit
to distract us from Zendaya? hahahah
orestaras@reddit
Does anyone speaks about Zentaya? Mission accompliced!
GayOver@reddit
Bro, one time I turned on my TV, an ad came up "celebrating Zendaya". Wtf is going on.
orestaras@reddit
I dont know! She is so untalented and she is not even pretty! Her agent can sell sand to bedouins!
SaraJuno@reddit
I don’t mind zendaya but she doesn’t give me Athena vibes in the slightest
GayOver@reddit
Actually, the more I look at the cast, the weirder it get´s. Even in this picture. Matt Damon doesn´t look the part either.
Majestic-Fly-600@reddit
Is Toyota Chevrolet in it?
GayOver@reddit
that would actually lift the movie up
TheFace5@reddit
Who does she play?
tugffjj@reddit
Athena
TheFace5@reddit
loooool "Athena is the ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, strategic warfare, handicraft, and reason"
SWBTSH@reddit
Yeah. What is the issue?
TheFace5@reddit
She just look like a shy kid
power2go3@reddit
sad. I always imagined Athena as a Velma from Scooby Doo type of girl.
tugffjj@reddit
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/NAMA_Ath%C3%A9na_Varvakeion.jpg
LAZY_RED-PANDA@reddit
power2go3@reddit
would
power2go3@reddit
it would be weird if she WASN'T in it
But I have to be honest, I respect the fact that she's working non stop...if only she was a good actress, got totally outshined in the latest The Drama movie by the GOAT Edward.
Aggressive-Kitchen18@reddit
Zendaya is such an awful actress. She consistently look a mix of constipated and annoyed. Thats literally her acting career.
Fine_Pudding4941@reddit
Silly
HantoKawamura@reddit
She is nothing like Athena tbh. Could be a perfect Andromeda though.
Direct-Antelope-9583@reddit
Yeah she's nothing like an actual goddess, how weird....
SWBTSH@reddit
I can see her as Athena
LaurestineHUN@reddit
Isn't Andromeda supposed to be Ethiopean?
HantoKawamura@reddit
Half-ephiopean if we're considering stuff according to myths. Her mother Cassiopeia was a daughter of Arab and granddaughter of Hermes, so Zendaya being mixed fits her quite well.
SWBTSH@reddit
What's the issue with Zendaya being in it?
Vaird@reddit
Seeing someone like Zendaya in ancient Greece wouldnt be that strange, those were seafaring nations in the mediteranean.
GayOver@reddit
she is representing Athena though.
Vaird@reddit
I saw your original comment and youre a racist fuck and shut just keep your mouth shut.
Thade2k@reddit
she s like the plague!!! her, holland and that chalamet guy.
08YOY80@reddit
Americans are fucking ridiculous with all of this racial shit ,if they want black representation they could and do a shit tons of movies that include African mythology, culture,go and do movie about 🇪🇹 they have incredibly rich and old culture,but no they aren't going to do it.
riesen_Bonobo@reddit
But making movies about African history would require them to actually acknowledge and get to know at least one African culture and not just treat Black people as set dressing, totally impossible, lets just make European evergreens with some Balck people sprinkled in for "representation", thats much better.
BRXF1@reddit
You guys are confusing Africans with african-americans and if it's because they're both black that's.... you know, kinda racist?
African Americans were stripped of their heritage and roots, it is very likely that a movie about and around Africa mythology would be just as foreign to them as to white Americans
riesen_Bonobo@reddit
No, we're not confusing Africans and African-Americans, you're just jumping to conclusions and call people racist based on nothing really.
The reasoning behind such casting decisions is overwhelmingly stated to be meant as representation for Black people and inclusion of Black actors in acting roles (esp. main characters). Black people are in this case displayed as one group, when they're really not, is because the USA is an extremely racialised society.
Now a valid counter point to this is: If you want inclusion of Black actors and representation of (a portion of) Black people, then they just could use actual history of (some) Black people as substance for a movie. And since this is a movie about ancient Greek mythos, a movie about an ancient mythos from Africa is a fitting counter exmaple.
It is also to note that "Africans" (which you present as a monolith by your own reasoning) aren't one consistent group and someone from Eswatini will also have no "roots" with a Nigerian myth. Furthermore, modern day Greeks also don't have much more connection to ancient Greek mythos then African-Americans to the myths of the African culture(s) of their ancestors. A movie about African-American history would of course also be a great idea.
Lefteris4@reddit
The point of the movies these days isn't to make a good movie. Its to spread their propaganda. Which is why nobody wants to see the movies anymore.
I personally stopped watching movies/series for about 5-10 years(with very few exceptions) even though i was an avid watcher before that but turned to anime even though i prefer movies because anime is made to be good instead of being propaganda post. Im surprised people still watch movies tbh.
BRXF1@reddit
The point of huge movies like this was and is, to make money.
Lefteris4@reddit
It isnt these days, if it was they would be making good movies instead of clown shows like this odyssey.
souljaboy765@reddit
I would actually kill for Mansa Musa movie fr
SunBelly@reddit
An historically accurate Mansa Musa movie would probably not go over well with some people. He's kind of revered because his kingdom was very wealthy and he invested heavily in education, architecture, and infrastructure for his people, but people often overlook the fact that he achieved that wealth by conquering his non-Muslim neighbors and enslaving thousands of them to labor in his gold and salt mines. He's not even close to being the worst of the conquerors in history but he would likely be considered a murderous tyrannical warlord if he was in power today.
BRXF1@reddit
That applies to pretty much any 'historical' movie, we have movies where the British Empire are the good guys ffs.
Krillin113@reddit
I’m sorry what? This is not a shit post? They’re genuinely having these actors play these ‘historical people’? Why. Why is Helen of Troy black (and not like Middle East black, but full deep Africa black), and why is one of the most muscular people in ancient times played by a trans man? Both are fine actors, but they don’t make sense.
Again, is this not a shit post?
PMmeYourButt69@reddit
Why is it a problem for a black woman to play Helen of Troy, but not a blonde white woman? Either of them are equally as inaccurate, but only one bothers people. Why is that?
ComfyTeri@reddit
You're incorrect. Helen of Troy being portrayed by a fully African woman is insane and very historically inaccurate.
PMmeYourButt69@reddit
Helen of Troy being portrayed by a blonde, blue eyed white woman is just as historically incorrect. Greek people don't look like that.
ComfyTeri@reddit
But did I say it should be that? Did anyone? No, you kind of just pulled that out of your ass. Typically Greek women were not African so this casting is completely out of character.
I will say, though, typically in Ancient Greece, what we know from historical record is that they tended to be olive or tan-skinned, with dark hair and brown eyes with narrow faces, straight noses and curly hair, which... is nothing like the current casting of her would be in this movie.
I'm not even sure why you included blonde, blue eyed white woman. Sounds like you want to allude to Aryan imagery?
CatOLantern@reddit
The mention of the blonde blue eyed woman is a reference to Diane Kruger playing Helen of Troy in the 2004 movie "Troy".
Graceful_Amoeba4564@reddit
We were bothered by the blonde white too (I'm Mediterranean).
It's the white Americans that have a problem only with the black woman choice.
I like both actresses and both are terrible choices.
ComfyTeri@reddit
Hi, black American here, I also have a problem with this casting choice. It's really fucking stupid.
Krillin113@reddit
I’m annoyed by both tbh. I also think Brad Pitt’s blonde hair in Troy should’ve been dyed.
lothmel@reddit
Achilles in the source was almost immortal, not muscular. His mother hid him among women. Choosing a trans man to play him is actually pretty lore accurate.
Bugsy187_@reddit
Disagree
Homer’s Iliad portrays Achilles as the unmatched Greek warrior: tall, powerful, exceptionally handsome, swift-footed, with god-like radiance and strength. Later traditions and descriptions emphasize broad shoulders, a large chest, powerfully formed arms and legs, and overall masculine athleticism.
You’re misrepresenting a disguise as gender identity. Achilles’ mother Thetis hid him on Skyros dressed as a girl (Pyrrha) specifically to avoid his fated death in war. It was a reluctant, temporary ruse. He fathered a child there (Neoptolemus), showed immediate interest in weapons when Odysseus tested him, tore off the feminine clothes, and embraced his warrior destiny.
The story highlights his true masculine nature breaking through deception, not gender ambiguity. Ancient Greeks viewed it as a clever plot device (cross-dressing to evade fate), not evidence that Achilles was “among women” by inclination or identity. He was a hyper-masculine hero whose brief concealment contrasted with his eagerness for kleos (glory) and battle.
Achilles is a male hero born male, raised as a male warrior (trained by Chiron), living as the pinnacle of Greek masculine virtue: strength, rage, honor, and martial dominance. A trans man (biologically female) playing him introduces a visible and performative mismatch with the character’s biology, physique, and cultural role. Ancient audiences and the myth itself treated sex as binary and tied to heroic function—heroes like Achilles embodied male excellence.
The “lore accurate” claim is a selective modern projection: it cherry-picks the disguise while ignoring the character’s overwhelming maleness, physical prowess, heterosexual exploits, and rejection of the feminine role. Myths had fluidity in some tales (e.g., Tiresias), but Achilles isn’t one of them. This isn’t faithful adaptation; it’s overlaying contemporary identity categories onto a Bronze Age warrior ethos where they don’t fit. Fidelity to source would prioritize an actor evoking the “swift-footed,” lion-like male destroyer described by Homer.
Adaptations can reinterpret, but claiming this is “pretty lore accurate” inverts the myth’s actual emphasis on Achilles’ masculine heroism. The Skyros story proves the opposite: even disguised, his nature as a man and warrior could not be hidden.
lothmel@reddit
My dude, why do you post one-sided conversations with your alter ego on Reddit?
Bugsy187_@reddit
Instead of wasting your life doing this, I suggest reading some epic Greek poetry.
Validated_Owl@reddit
Uhhhhh..... None of these were ever real people to begin with
Whenyouseeit00@reddit
Yeah, pretending this is anything other than ridiculous is just delusional and I don't care what anyone says about it. That's not being racist - these people are beautiful and there are many roles to be played wonderfully for them but this does them no freaking justice. It's all around stupidity and I'm so over the insanity.
Block-Rockig-Beats@reddit
Exactly. Snowflakes get offended that a dark skinned person is playing a goddess, and the goddess must be white, because it's "historically accurate"? Athens (not the city) never existed in the first place.
Said that, I would like to see Athens more physically intimidating. It feels like a missed opportunity to cast a very strong actress that can't fit into a romantic comedy role.
ptrapezoid@reddit
The city and the god have different names. In greek Αθήνα is the city. Which is pronounced differently to Αθηνά.
Low_Mistake_7748@reddit
Aren't you mixing Helen and Athena?
RedBaret@reddit
She’s called Athena. And physical prowess wasnt one of her defining character traits.
You don’t see how such cultural appropriation/misrepresentation by Hollywood might piss people off?
andonebelow@reddit
Why is the Cyclops not being played by a giant?
genophobicdude@reddit
It is a shitpost made by Christopher Nolan.
UmeaTurbo@reddit
Christopher Nolan is not an American.
ratatoskr09@reddit
Christopher Nolan isn't American.
ThirdImpactCrater@reddit
I'm an American and I have no problem with Lupita. Helen was a princess in an area of the world where the skin tones ranged from fairest to darkest, and any could theoretically be royalty.
Now Page as Achilles, on the other hand? That's ridiculous.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Frankly, as a white person, I would LOVE to learn more about African legends, epics and folklore. I am certain that a whole-ass huge continent like Africa has a lot of that. Yet none of that is represented in western films that seem "so eager" to increase black representation. Surely there have to be old and new books, stories, myths and legends that African writers and history have produced. Where are they?
Bob_of_the_Sith@reddit
I wouldn’t. I don’t give a rats ass about that continent.
whatupmygliplops@reddit
Its tricky to do African history. For example, in the Woman King (2022) about an all-female unit of warriors protecting the West African Kingdom of Dahomey in the 1800s (which is a good film overall) they had to leave out all the black people owning and selling black slaves.
cool_berserker@reddit
As a black person casting black people into these obviously controversial roles seems likes some annoying rage bait. Who sits down and think this is a good idea?
Usual_Flounder_2002@reddit
As a suburban kid in SoCal I used to love watching the Movie or made for TV whatever...Shaka Zulu. A story about a African King who had to fight his way up....please don't flame me I forget the whole plot, going off of memory. That was such a rad movie tho and showed how he helped develop military strategy and updated their spears to be more appropriate for close combat. Brown washing European stories and culture is just lazy.
zelenakucaa@reddit
That's why Kirikou is such a good cartoon.
Graceful_Amoeba4564@reddit
Kirikou mentioned!
merdeauxfraises@reddit
It is! I also remember a film I saw in a film festival called “Words with Gods” made by various directors. Each showed a religious story from a different region of the world. 1 or 2 were African stories that were breathtaking. I wish I could find that film again but they only showed it in a couple of festivals and it’s nowhere on the internet.
zelenakucaa@reddit
Thas sounds so interesting! I wish I could find it.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Emir Kusturica was also one of the directors! As a Serbian you might have a better chance to find it!
Verhaalen1@reddit
Because it’s not *really* about black representation
dawzo@reddit
It's about black people becoming darsk skinned white people
xlondelax@reddit
That rings so true.
Prior_Permit@reddit
What's wrong with that? America turned Irish, Germans, Italians, Arabs etc white. Why not the next logical step?
Zealousideal_Sun2485@reddit
Germans, Italians and Irish weren't white? Didn't quite understand your comment.
Mundane_Dress_6305@reddit
That’s exactly correct. They weren’t viewed as white initially by the Anglo-Protestants. The worst day for lynchings in the United States was not for black people but actually Italians. Not making that up
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Not being viewed as something and not being something are vastly different things my dude. What in the internalized racism are you talking about?
Mundane_Dress_6305@reddit
You’re not very contentment if you can’t comprehend the sentence I wrote…you said “Germans, Italians and Irish weren’t white?” And I replied with an answer to your question. You fail to understand that whiteness is a social construct and who is viewed as white has changed overtime. Google is a free tool “my dude”, do your research instead of trying to change the subject to internalized racism wtf.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The pot calling the kettle black 🤣 I’m not even the person who asked you that! The commenter you speak of asked you if these nations were not white (clearly to prove a point) and you said that they weren’t perceived as white, which is quite a different thing. Black people clearly don’t fall into the same category for the thing you speak of and your argument is entirely ridiculous to suggest it’s the same thing.
Prior_Permit@reddit
In the United States the government would categorize Mediterranean people like Italians and Greeks as 'negro' on population censuses.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yeah, and? What is the point of this remark other than proving exactly the point of u/08YOY80 and u/dawzo in their original comments? These people are actually globally considered white, and in America right now too. What happened in America 200 years ago is hardly within the scope of this conversation. That said, apart from the actual race difference (as race is defined these days), in America specifically, all the peopels you mentioned didn’t suffer nearly as much as the black people, so these two categories are in fact not the same at all there historically either.
Prior_Permit@reddit
Well not to the same extent, no. But they did have similar experiences.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Not by far. Not being able to enter a bar or experience police brutality is hardly similar to being generationally born as a breeder slave, being shoved in the hot box or be made to wear an iron bit and a collar.
Prior_Permit@reddit
I think we're comparing different time periods. Most of these groups were not really present in this country while slavery was still ongoing.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
We can't pick snd choose from the historical memory of an oppressed group, nor can we isolate eras like they happened in a vacuum, unless it's been so many centuries that generational trauma cannot possibly be alive (e.g. antiquity).
Prior_Permit@reddit
Then how can you also compare generation trauma across different oppressed groups? That's like comparing one person who hasn't eaten in a week to another who hasn't eaten in two weeks. They both are starving and need food.
Mundane_Dress_6305@reddit
Race is a social construct and what you view as “white” has changed a lot throughout time. There I made the statement easier for you to read. It’s okay if you’re racist just say it sweetie
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Race isn’t solely a social construct, racial connotations are. Irish, Italians, Germans, Greeks, Armenians are actually white, in the way that race is defined. Does that mean much? No. Historically, you can’t really compare what these nationalities went through with what the black people went through in America, and it proves even further that Americans historically don’t know shit about races either, they just do whatever fits their economic agenda in each age with the definition of race.
outofmindwgo@reddit
"in the way that race is defined"
Right and that definition has changed over time. It's just a fact that those groups weren't considered white at one time.
You not knowing this doesn't make it wrong, you should look into it more.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
They weren’t considered white in a specific area in a specific time. In Ancient Greece, anyone not speaking Greek as also considered a lesser human as well, shall we also ruminate on that one while we’re at it?
outofmindwgo@reddit
Who are you talking to?
Prior_Permit@reddit
If you have two people who are half black and half white but one looks 'white' while the other looks 'black' then what are they? What if one person has more African ancestry but looks 'white'?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Color isn’t the issue. Culture and upbringing is. The collective historic “memory” of the race as well.
Prior_Permit@reddit
In this country we have whites who act with no culture and manners and blacks who act the same.
feral0101@reddit
White doesn’t have a uniform definition because it’s a social construct. Nobody is biologically ‘white’. There’s no reason someone wouldn’t consider a Georgian, a Swede and a Greek ‘equally’ white.
In the US Georgians and Armenians are considered White, but Western Europe not really. At least not without caveats.
Prior_Permit@reddit
In the past they were not considered to be by WASP majority.
anniehall330@reddit
Cries in Snape
JannySpartan@reddit
Thank you, for making me chortle out loud.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yeah, that was sort of my whole point.
egny@reddit
Why do that when all these race swapping subtly implies there is no African culture and that Africans must be ret-conned.
Afraid-Leg-174@reddit
They did the woman king movie. but the problem is that actual African history doesn’t really match their fantasy version of it. That’s why in the woman king they took the Dehomy amazons (rampant slavers who also committed atrocities and massacres on other ethnic groups they raided for slaves) as anti slavery and the Europeans trying to bring in slavery
dontworryitsme4real@reddit
Actual history hardly ever matches the movies. Every hero glorified in one way or another has done atrocities.
king_rootin_tootin@reddit
The movie wasn't actually anti-slavery. They said it was but I watched it and...literally, they keep slaving at the end, just like in history, and they were mostly fighting other Africans. The movie had it's history mostly correct, it's just the actual film did not match what people were saying about it. It was a pretty good movie, tbh.
Afraid-Leg-174@reddit
It wasn’t mostly historically correct. Considering they got wiped out in like two battles because while the king had them “trained” with fire arms they weren’t actually trained to use them correctly. With the Amazons mostly firing rifles at the hip
king_rootin_tootin@reddit
I was talking about the anti slavery aspect. You claimed the movie was about them ending slavery. I actually watched it and that was not what it was about. Like, not in the least. It was about the war between Dahomey and Oya, which is a historic fact.
Afraid-Leg-174@reddit
No I said the movie presents them against slavery and it does present the characters against the practice which is against the historical evidence
egny@reddit
Essentially portraying Africans (at least one group) as noble savages. That's just another distortion without highlighting any actual achievements or virtues. Again, that's just subtly implying anything positive has to be faked.
And all this is happens under the guise of supposedly righting wrongs, etc.
Afraid-Leg-174@reddit
I would absolutely give up Palinka for a week if it would get a mostly accurate movie about the life of Haile Selassie I
Cleanstr@reddit
This 100% tracks.
Ready_Classic_1410@reddit
White people can be African, just fyi
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I don’t think anyone disputed that.
Ready_Classic_1410@reddit
I’m just saying because it seems that you are using black and African interchangeably. It would then make more sense to say “as a Greek person”, not “as a white person”.
Infamous_Dish_4348@reddit
My favourite cope is “well Brad Pitt and Diane Kruger don’t look Mediterranean!!”
Like bro the balkans is a super diverse region and there’s blond blue-eyed people in every country here
Darth_Ender_Ro@reddit
I'm a blond blue eyed romanian... did you call me?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yup. Hair and skintone aside, Brad Pitt at the time did embody the "chiseled demigod warrior that's also a playah" vibes of Achilles. This is how the character is described. "Lethal" literally and figuratively. With all due respect to Elliot Page, he doesn't give off the same vibe.
DarthTomatoo@reddit
I remember that Greek comedian who had a bit about not getting a small part in Troy, because she didn't look Greek enough..
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I haven’t caught that. I live abroad myself and I keep being told I don’t look Greek. Idk what people think Greek looks like but we sure as hell don’t come in one form 🤣
LAZY_RED-PANDA@reddit
This is what I pictured in my mind of how a Greek man looked like when I was a child 20+ years ago:
I guess I watched too many movies based on Zeus or something, lol...
Kitsooos@reddit
Wtf are you talking about ? This is literally my portrait.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
For Zeus, I’d say we all picture him kinda like that 😅
Arcturan_MegaDonkey@reddit
According to some random page on the internet especially in Homers story the gods where described as golden and blone haired. So it makes sense, that the heroes of the times also looked like that.
Also you can assume that the ancient greek looked different before the turks ruled from \~1500-1800.
_Erilor_@reddit
I’m not sure about that. Every time I see Elliot I want to kill myself.
LAZY_RED-PANDA@reddit
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Don’t let us stop you.
Infamous_Dish_4348@reddit
“He”
Megan3356@reddit
Oh alright now I see it. I did not know
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yup. He.
kikogamerJ2@reddit
Ye there is blond and blue eyed people everywhere in Europe, but acting like most balkaneers look like that is cope lol. I'm in Portugal, most Portuguese I see aren't even white but have a tanned skin tone, brown eyes and brown hair.
Infamous_Dish_4348@reddit
Agreed but the point is that native blonde blue eyed balkaners DO exist, whereas that’s not the case for black balkaners.
lothmel@reddit
In ancient Greece, there were also native black people. So what's your point exactly?
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Balkaners don't look like Portuguese either. Most Croatians are dark haired, dark eyed and tall but also pale.
Ok_Newspaper_9696@reddit
Lupita and Ellen do?
Vignus02@reddit
Well there actually is a game called Age of Mythology: Retold now. You have all the major and minor Egyptian gods there. There are ones like Ra, Set, Isis, Anubis, Bastet, Osiris etc. They have a very rich variety of different gods of different things but no, lets stay political and go fully woke-racial and push it more and more even tho its not neccessary because why not. It is annoying, I have to see a complete opposite of Helen of Troy, what an insult to Greek mythology. And Achilles as Ellen Page, literal demi-god human with only one weakness will now have 2... his heel and being misgendered, what the fuck happened, I love mythology and antique literature but this has literally been ruined by the cast already.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The Egyptian mythology is not really a good comparison because the gods don’t even look human mostly 😅
That said, as a Greek I don’t think there’s an insult, the casting is just not hitting the mark, like the casting for Wuthering Heighta also didn’t earlier this year. That’s a more comparable example for me.
Vignus02@reddit
Well I don’t think Leonardo DiCaprio should play Nelson Mandela or Ryan Gosling as Malcolm X or Martin Luther King. The race preservation in my opinion is actually important as those people or historical figures stood for something and depicted something. Ellen as a trans woman with her 1.55 metres height is definitely gonna be great Achilles but whatever.
I think people shouldnt be afraid to speak up if something is literally bad. I think it is bad enough and if it wasnt, just the sole purpose of using this as a propaganda to push unwanted ideologies further is just tiring. I am glad that I am European and it woudlnt be appropriate to get basic things like skin color and traits down and change them.
Another great example was the goyslop of Rings of Power that should have depicted Middle Earth and they casted literal mexican elves. I read the books and it just made me question… why all this nonsense? It ruins the immersion atleast for me.
soursweetgonegirl@reddit
Viola Davis did that with Woman King, and the whites online still shat all over it. I’m not seeing any retcon uproar over Elizabeth Taylor playing Cleopatra. There’s always an excuse why the the white-wash isn’t that bad and why the brown-wash is so dumb and unrealistic and the worst thing to happen to cinema. I’m not even disagreeing, I thought the Snow White casting was ridiculous. I’m just asking for some consistency from the whites other than “I dislike seeing these brown people casted! They don’t fit in!”
brain-eating_amoeba@reddit
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3615880/Amma_Chronicles_of_lost_stars/ this game is made by a Cameroonian studio and is based on Dogon mythology, check it out :)
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Ah, thanks. I sadly suck at games but I 'll relay it to my husband, I 'm sure he'll be interested!
TheLuckDragon888@reddit
Check out The Famished Road by Ben Okri. An amazing read. Would make an incredible manga or anime.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Thanks for the suggestion, 100% will!
benthelurk@reddit
They do, and some of those legends aren’t even that old. Many African countries became independent between the 1950s and 1970s. There is a whole lot of stories to be told to represent black people. The entertainment world exists primarily for the west though, and that does not include any of Africa.
Pikawoohoo@reddit
You know there's African cinema right?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
This conversation is clearly for Hollywood films and representation within that.
Own-Craft-181@reddit
Personally, I agree. But I don't think those would get greenlit by studios and funding would be an issue.
GercektenGul@reddit
Well yeah, when they dare to cast black actors in a blockbuster every white anus in Europe clenches so vigorously you can hear it all the way in Hollywood so the execs end up catering to the racists so as to not lose money. Thanks for that, btw.
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Waiting to be made by Africans 😁
South-Fudge-1550@reddit
"white person" greece flair
merdeauxfraises@reddit
0/10 rage bait
South-Fudge-1550@reddit
its not
merdeauxfraises@reddit
🥱
xlondelax@reddit
I would also love to learn more about African legends and myths too. They have a rich history, various pantheons, and the oldest kingdoms. There's so much content. It's a shame that they don't use it.
But then again, if they started to 'mine' it, the same very vocal minority that they are pandering with the race swaps would yell about cultural appropriation.
power2go3@reddit
I recommend the Fall of Civilizations podcast/ youtube on the Songhai.
xlondelax@reddit
I'll look into it, thanks.
power2go3@reddit
i was curious once as well and looked at a few...bro they fking suck they are so poorly made. Playing Civ V as Shaka Zulu was more interesting than every other movie or series.
User2640@reddit
Ask the africans...its up to them to make movies and represent themselves..
Its not rocket science..
How you think kung fu came to the west? By a black guy or white guy trying to represent another culture? And then cry and be a victim if another race represent them wrong?
Go away now!
Striking-Hedgehog512@reddit
Same. I would love love love a Disney movie exploring some myths and fairytales from Africa. I want to see what children in Zimbabwe or Ghana or Namibia are told in terms of legends and fairytales. This is just lazy
Mia_46@reddit
u say that but u people wouldnt touch those movies if ur life depended on it
Kaurifish@reddit
Dude, there were lots of African folks in the Mediterranean area in ancient times. They’re not a modern invention.
Given how many north Africans have been played by people of Northern European ancestry, it’s fair game.
Usual_Flounder_2002@reddit
This 💯💯💯💯💯💯
ZookeepergameFit967@reddit
My friend they even blackwash African countries that are not black like Egypt and Morocco. Hollywood is so afrocentric that even the Greek Cleopatra that practiced incest is black
Graceful_Amoeba4564@reddit
It's because they lack nuance, and seeing everything in black and white belongs to a racist perspective, tbh.
ucrycry@reddit
How many blacks are in Ukraine my dude? Like 0? Mouth shut, ok?
ladyalot@reddit
How many times do we have to explain that racist producers literally would never ever fund that. Not all Black people are from Africa. These actors are great, these stories aren't sacred, chill tf out
Time_Ad8557@reddit
Homer never described what she looked like. He never even described her type of beauty. He relies on her effect on people. And in place Helen herself considers herself a cold bitch akin to “dogfaces” and speaks about herself with bitterness. You can fill in the details if you like
menina2017@reddit
As a black American we never asked for this! I’m just saying it’s embarrassing because it’s literally not what we’re asking for 🫠😵💫
Cleanstr@reddit
FActs! They're just stripping us of our culture by putting us in theirs.
It implies, "look how badly they want to be like us (whites)". Liberal Hollywood is a sick, sick creature.
SirPlatypus13@reddit
There's literally room within Greek mythology for black people. Memnon, the King of Aethiopia and a warrior near the equal of the likes of Achilles and Hector, brings an army with him to aid his Trojan allies during the war. Andromeda is of Aethiopia as well. Though it does bear mentioning that this and modern Ethiopia shouldn't really be taken as 1-1.
AngryDutchGannet@reddit
Ethiopia back then mostly referred to what we would we would now refer to as Nubia or modern Sudan, so that would still work
Jgasious83@reddit
Understandable but Helen Of Troy was a spartan not Nubian
Reylo-Wanwalker@reddit
Well Christopher Nolan has dual citizenship, born in London.
Amazing-Lab-6484@reddit
The only African Samurai, I would love to see that movie.
-Passenger-@reddit
If they could make money with it they would do it.
If they dont do it, they cant make money with it which means nobody cares about it. So they have to race swap into European history.
btw.
Anglo Saxons in England 1066 from the Series King & Conquerer
universal_paradise@reddit
Europe has always had dark-skinned people.
-Passenger-@reddit
please shut up
the dude on the left is playing Morcar of Mercia and the girl his sister. These are historical persons and we know what the fuck they looked like
universal_paradise@reddit
The funny thing is that you think this is important.
Did you know that actors in movies have many differences from the people they portray? But everyone here is focused on complexion. This is only important in a racist society. You should not care if a black or brown person plays a figure from history who was pale. What matters is the acting.
-Passenger-@reddit
The believability of the role is carried by different aspects, in historical settings with historical persons the ethnicity is one of them.
Only insane people would try to find some arguments that it isnt important what ethnicity the actor has in a portrayal of J.F. Kennedy for example.
you folks are just sick in your head, no matter how much racists you think you found here, its just in your head. you're sick people.
_barbarossa@reddit
They don’t want white people to have identities because they’re scared of what happens when white people have identities
turkeyflavouredtofu@reddit
"They"? We're talking about for profit private industries, there is no State Board of Censors anymore, if this was the Soviet Union or China you might have a point, but the only thing they're scared of is suboptimal returns on investment, not your fragile ego.
OscarOzzieOzborne21@reddit
We consider committing genocide?
Legal-Stranger-4890@reddit
Yeah, our track record ain't so great.
Massive-Suggestion17@reddit
Both-Entertainment-3@reddit
They have no shame
slavuj00@reddit
put the same budget behind the production and marketing and you can sell anything.
Dramatic_Mastodon_93@reddit
Or maybe you just make your own fucking movie?
C-HOOE@reddit
*SOME Americans are... Then there's a ton of others like me that's so over this shit
AirWolf231@reddit
They want to be seen as less racist and that is why the only consider white culture to be worth talking about.
No, I do not understand that logic ether.
brain-eating_amoeba@reddit
They want to be SEEN as less racist while actually still being racist as shown by their eurocentrism lol
EastTurn2027@reddit
Christopher Nolan is British.
SnarkPig@reddit
I love how you think “Americans” want this. The average American thinks it’s ridiculous. Lupita Nyong’o is gorgeous but she does not look Greek AT ALL. It would be like casting Anne Hathaway to play Rosa Parks lol.
chev327fox@reddit
You mean Hollywood, but I suppose that is the same thing in a way. Also I agree, instead of race swapping make new iconic characters or pull from African mythology and culture like you say (they did do this with the movie The Women King if memory serves).
A great example was the Little Mermaid. Instead of race swapping Ariel make a new movie about one of her sisters who has her own iconic story and adventure. So many possibilities, but instead they give them left overs as if that’s somehow progress.
JackTeargarden@reddit
Why are so mad about it? Who cares it doesnt affect your life
FatallyFatCat@reddit
I continue to be shocked nobody made any Cyberpunk movie. Multiple stories to choose from. You can go all out on bullet time and special effects. Property created by a black man. Many diverse characters. If done well it could be 2020s Matrix. But nooo... It's better to reheat leftovers badly.
JannySpartan@reddit
There's a bunch of us Americans who are kind of tired of this crap, things aren't being changed because it makes it better, things are being changed because it ticks some sort of diversity box. I would seriously love to see stories about African mythology, I love mythology from all over the world. Plus, having diversity in an ancient story is silly, how did all these mixed races and cultures get to be about when it takes months and even years to get to that particular place? None of it makes sense.
BBennett40@reddit
Don't paint all Americans with the smart brush. We're not all crazy. 😉 And this nonsense comes from other countries as well
BandicootWide8250@reddit
Making a movie on African stories and culture is risky.
You risk upsetting journalists and activist groups for portraying it incorrectly.
You risk alienating large audiences that do not like Africans (China is a pretty famous market where they hide black people from marketing).
You risk low interest and turnout from Western nations that do not know or simply aren't interested in new stories or characters from mythology they have no knowledge of. This is why it feels like, at least now, they constantly do sequels and reimagining if older classics constantly.
Full_Jicama_5872@reddit
Literally what I keep saying to my gf
vivi8392@reddit
Amen to that !
Hairy_Examination884@reddit
''if they want black representation they could go and do a shit tons of movies that include African mythology, culture,go''
Or just modern day. But nope, western history and mythology.
potato_face1234@reddit
It's as if they make these casting decisions to cause controversy, then if anyone questions it they can call them racist. This is pure fuel for redditors, they love it.
funkycookies@reddit
it’s a mythical story that includes giants, witches, and sirens, no one should care that a movie uses a black actor if it doesn’t change the plot.
Shut your pasty who’re racist ass all the way up.
polijutre@reddit
But if they make movies about african heritage, will they include random white and asian actors for diversity purposes?
Whenyouseeit00@reddit
Of course not, that would be just as ridiculous! I'm so over this bs
Ren-Ren-1999@reddit
Were there any in The Woman King? If not, then no.
Sea-Exercise4332@reddit
Did you not watch Black Panther or Gods of Egypt or any movie about Egypt played by White actors?
SeparateWeight496@reddit
It's not about africans, it's about black westerners. But yes I still 100% agree with you
Afraid_Theorist@reddit
Best we can do is a freedom fighter movie about a slaver African kingdom.
Or Wakanda Black Panther movies.
Sorry bud.
MomentSouthern250@reddit
because the director thought they would be best for the job?
zzoboxx@reddit
hey this is a movie, just fyi. its not real life. you dont have to get so upset...
Happy_Ad_7515@reddit
Sir achilles fight the honorable super awsome special prince of ethiopia on page 25. the Illiat has a black royal chrakter in the main plot right there.
strike2867@reddit
As vibrant and amazing as it is, nobody knows or gives a fuck about African mythology. Everybody read The Odyssey. Everybody knows who Achilles was. They are banking on the nostalgia factor to bring in the money.
Ambitious-Canary1@reddit
They do, but when they try funding gets cut and the project is scrapped. Whatever does manage to get released is criticized for “forcing woke culture onto Americans”, when that is the representation they preferred over race swapping. I’m not talking about black panther, like smaller studios that try to pitch a show idea and it gets shut down. It’s not the audience being racist, it’s the executives.
UltraTata@reddit
Fr. They did the same with "Cleopatra" and "Woman King". Why not talk about the warrior queen of the Hausa or that Ethiopian rebel that almost defeats Axum (if I remember well). Or the black pharaos from Kush!!
crnalastavica@reddit
The issue is not promotion of other races and culture, focus is to dilute and erase white race and culture. Just my uneducated POV.
Grand-Net-5294@reddit
Bro, come on, bsfr they dont want to dilute or erase white culture 😵💫💀 even if they did, a movie ain't goanna do nothing. The sole purpose of these race swaps is money, not "racism agains whites" or whtv victim mindset you have
crnalastavica@reddit
Movie promotes mixing doesn’t it?
NovyjAkaunt3@reddit
There is no "white" race or culture. It, the "white race", is what erases cultures, ironically. White (as in light skinned) people do have amazing cultures (plural, there is no singlular one collective culture); german, italian, french and even regional ones like bavarian, catalan and basque. They're, and their history, is immensely rich yet it all gets washed into this "white race" and "white culture" nonesense that the US (the same US that mixes it all and makes Cleopatra black, despite her being of greek descent) imposes onto the western world
crnalastavica@reddit
Bro native Europeans are white and were white up until WW2. Artistically said, you could turn the whole continent upside down and you won’t be able to find a single black European man or woman whose family tree extends more than 10 generations on the land.
You are endgame product of post war storytelling and you are right I won’t argue with you I like my Reddit account.
NovyjAkaunt3@reddit
You are endgame product of pseudoscience, colonialism and the US. Your comment is irrelevant. You're the problem. You're erasing european cultures and history
NovyjAkaunt3@reddit
Europeans are white in the sense of being white skinned, but they are not of the "white race" which is a fairly recent invention, it's not really scientific. And again, there is no collective white culture. You're erasing european people's cultures and history, don't do that
-Passenger-@reddit
I agree, its part of a cultural war
Alinarts@reddit
The thing is: "Black people" aren't African. Even if a black american's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparent (yes, it is usually that amount of greats to get there at minimum usually) came from Africa then he would be represented by African mythology. But most "Afro-Americans" are not more related to African culture than "White Americans" are to European culture. But you don't call them Euro-Americans.
Plisky6@reddit
Sir Christopher Nolan. B in London, knighted in 2024, is the man directing this movie. But let’s complain about Americans.
IchigobeatsNaruto@reddit
its to make people talk about it if the movie was casted normally no one would talk about it nearly as much. Hollywood basically rage baits idiots to talk about their movies. And as we can see majority of humans are gullible enough to fall for it. Nothing about black representation do you think a black person even had a say in this?
king_rootin_tootin@reddit
This is what most black American people actually say and think, but Hollywood doesn't ask them or anybody else but their own inner circle.
lavenderlovey88@reddit
Yeah they tried with American Gods tv series based on that Neil Gaiman book but they cancelled it prior to the allegations. it was good they included african deities.
08YOY80@reddit
Are not it was cancelled because of low ratings? First season was fire
lavenderlovey88@reddit
yep. low ratings.
GercektenGul@reddit
Tbh it seems like you are very preoccupied with the subject. Just a gentle nudge that if you do a bit of reading up on ancient Greece you may find that the huge dynamic empire had quite a bit of diversity, as they often do, from trade, war, migration, etc. Maybe you're right though and American films are not for you in which case, feel free to skip ones that include black people which seems to be a big sticking point for you.
ProlapseJerky@reddit
Because it’s all performative
LFAdvice0909@reddit
What about all the white people in this movie? Did you even search for a single moment any of their origins? Not a single one of them meets the ethnicity that the Odyssey is representing.
No? Just have an issue with the one black person? That's racism.
There are so many Greek actors and actresses and none of them will be on this screen to represent their own mythology.
Actual-Cat-2604@reddit
A loud minority of Americans. Most Americans hate this crap.
blueberries@reddit
Christopher Nolan is British, as is Lupita.
Either way, have you considered that you are the one doing “racial shit”? Why does the color of the skin of actors matter? It’s acting, not historical reenactment. The history of acting is full of actors playing roles of different races, genders, nationalities, etc. The point of a fictional production is generally not to make a documentary, but to tell universal stories. If you can’t look past the color of an actors skin, then I think you’re the one who’s too focused on race, not a film hiring a talented actress to play a role.
Savings_Dragonfly806@reddit
Tell me, how would you feel if f they casted a white actor to play Michael Jackson on the newly released movie called Michael. Sound off putting, doesn't it?
blueberries@reddit
Did you miss the part where these are fictional characters? Are you really that dense?
Savings_Dragonfly806@reddit
No, but you miss the important part where fiction is based many times on reality. Think of Game of Thrones, for example, and how it's based on Medieval Europe. The only argument you have to justify ridiculous raceswapping is "It's just fiction bro".
blueberries@reddit
If you get triggered by seeing someone with a different skin color in a made up story you are truly a fragile little snowflake. Honestly not sure how you make it through the day. I’m sure you can find a safe space where you don’t have to be forced to watch Nolan’s Odyssey. Maybe just try rewatching Troy where everyone looks inexplicably British despite being in Anatolia and tell yourself it will all be OK.
Chillzzz@reddit
I think he’s the best actor for the role of Black Panther.
Savings_Dragonfly806@reddit
So I can't be reasonably mad at how they portray inaccurately Greek characters from my country's cultural heritage?
Classic Americans, always appropriating others.
You wouldn't be saying the same thing if they casted White Actors for Native American characters in a Live Action Pocahontas.
Chillzzz@reddit
The problem is that people like you don’t understand that there’s nothing wrong with people being different and distinguishable from one another. What matters is that they have equal rights.
-Passenger-@reddit
as long as it suits your point of view. If we would swap it out, Marie Currie played by a male or any Black person worthy of being remembered played by a white dude you would play a different tune...
blueberries@reddit
There is a very long history of men playing women in the theatre. All of the female roles were played by men in Shakespeare’s time. If they can play the role they can play the role. Why are you so obsessed with the color of the skin of actors? If you are so incapable of suspending any disbelief then maybe movies aren’t for you. Not to mention that these are fictional fucking characters, not historical figures.
Happy to take downvotes from the racist idiots on here who had no problem with seeing blond haired blue eyed English descended Brad Pitt playing Achilles but need a safe space at the idea of a Black woman playing a fictional character.
-Passenger-@reddit
they shoehorning it everywhere. look at my post above, even in fucking historical characters. But people like you will be quick to explain that every interpretation has room for the artists vision, even if it is based on historical acts. I had enough of these discussion with folks like you.
the color indicates a cultural background. European is white.
Its like when Denzel Washington was asked if not a white director could've directed his movie about black culture and he said something like;"it has nothing to do with the color of the skin, it has to do with culture"
You are not taking downvotes from racists, you are taking downvotes because you are obviously a fucking hypocrite and you fail to hide that no matter how hard you try and people in here are reading you
blueberries@reddit
“European is white” is amazing stuff.
You are insanely ignorant of any concept of what you’re talking about. Whiteness as a concept unifying all Europeans would have been a completely foreign concept in Homer’s time, as would the concept of Europe as some kind of broadly similar group of people’s is also wildly anachronistic and largely didn’t exist until thousands of years later.
The people’s of Ancient Europe, and the Near East, where Troy is located, did not see themselves united by the varying degrees of melanin in their skin. They spoke different languages, worshipped different Gods, had distinct cultures. It’s just as absurd to demand any actor playing a Trojan have a genetic background from Anatolia or worship Olympian Gods, but that would require a level of critical thinking that is clearly far beyond you.
morningrise02@reddit
And you think, you- a croatian, has the same culture as a “latvian” person because you are white? If you think so you are as much of a hypocrite as the person you are criticizing.
Race doesn’t make/define culture. As much as Europe is white, it has different cultures; the same goes for Africa and it being black.
-Passenger-@reddit
I surely do have more in common with Latvian culture than lupita
should be obvious even for you
morningrise02@reddit
You surely don’t have more in common with a white Latvian than what a white Latvian has in common with black kid born and raised in Latvia. Same a person of Indian heritage born and raised in Croatia has more in common with you than they have with a Latvian. Not that your racial tinted glasses will let you see that.
-Passenger-@reddit
if an ethnic Indian born in Britain plays a British in a temporary piece...that would be fitting.
If the same person plays Elizabeth I that wouldnt be fitting.
actually you are exactly making the point people critisize, you are taking modern day societies and shoehorning them unto history.
morningrise02@reddit
I never said anything about races actors play. I’m of the view that any movie should try to adhere to the story they are trying to tell (if it’s a book adaptation when the race gets mentioned then the movie should be the same).
My contention with your comment was about culture; namely saying that white people share white culture (same with black culture), I think different countries have different cultures and people born in those countries have same or closer cultures (even when they have different races) than people from different countries.
-Passenger-@reddit
and my point is, even if the the race does not gets mentioned, the culture is a pretty certain giveaway what race we are talking about in a historic setting
morningrise02@reddit
Then if it’s about the culture you care about, how is it any better that a greek character is being played by a white American? How is it any different from the said character being played by a black American (both are culturally alike and different from a Greek).
-this is not what I’m advocating, I’m just interpreting you race/culture proxy in this case.
-Passenger-@reddit
you are still mixing modern times with history
if we need to cast someone to play Charlemagne, every white male would be an believable choice, a fitting option. Because the German culture in that time indicates the race.
that really cant be too hard to understand man
i have blue eyes and dark blonde hair and I could be a Latvian, or a German, an Hungarian, an English historic person, because all of this is European culture that surely indicates racial features, and most of us today have the racial features that would fit the role like a glove....
Sure, you can make a fucking circus out of all of that and let Jackie Chan play Charlemagne....
same goes for the other roles, Keanu Reeves with a brown painted face as Buddha is an abomination
morningrise02@reddit
What about Sicilian with black hair and brown eyes? He sure as hell is as much European as you are. And more culturally connected to Greece than a Latvian or Russian.
theanxioussnail@reddit
Achilles was literally described as being blond in the Odyssey
Nekocatred@reddit
I knew once there’s somebody speaking about this they’ll be downvoted to hell. People are upset cause the “right race” is not playing a fictional character. Not surprised in this sub.
nemaminspiracije1@reddit
Are you really going to play that nonsensical card? If it really didn't matter it wouldn't be one sided blackwashing being rammed down our throats every single time. This is nothing but propaganda and if claim othwerwise you are wither lying or dumb.
the_sneaky_one123@reddit
They don't care about actually highlighting African culture or heritage, they are just white people who want to feel good and virtue signal about being inclusive.
So they insert black people into white history and mythology and pat themselves on the back.
I would really fucking love if they actually made more movies about African stuff, that would be great, but it's important to know that they don't want to actually do anything to support black people they just want to be seen to be doing it.
CockamouseGoesWee@reddit
And I don't have a problem with black people in the movie because we've always been historically associated with Sudan and Ethiopia, and also it's jjust a movie.
My problem is that there is not a single Greek on this entire project. It's just colonists playing dress-up. But we Greeks can't have any role that isn't a mobster or prostitute in Hollywood
DerRabeMontenegro@reddit
Hispanics and Arabs have the same problem. Brown people are below Black people in Hollywood’s racial calculus.
WellReadBread34@reddit
If you think Americans are capable of doing any kind of mythology well, then you have too high of expectations for us. The people who make TV and movies spend all their free time watching TV and movies. Very rarely do they read a book, and never a complicated one.
The majority of blacks here haven't had any connection to Africa in 200-400 years. Their food, language, and culture originate from the American South. They're very different from Africans.
We would be better off trying to fund actual Africans to make movies based on their culture and traditional beliefs. That's what SE Asians have been doing with the horror genre, and apparently that's going well for them.
MetalHeartGR@reddit
I wonder who's behind this
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JohnR1977@reddit
What the fuck are you on about? what does fucking Africa have to do with America? nobody cares about African Mythology. no wonder Russia invaded you. fucking stupid
Bloody_Ozran@reddit
There was an african based movie that went super bad in box office, no? Although I am really looking forward to seeing it one day.
Cultural-Part355@reddit
Right? I still remember brother Zulu from Conan the Adventurer TV series. Asking animals to be at his side and teaching Conan to respect our brothers. Although some have claws, some have teeth, we're all part of the same world. Maybe they feel safer this way, as a white director doing a movie about a culture in Africa would get stopped on the spot by, "You have no idea about our culture!" Said the American dude who never set foot away from the block.
Jackfreezy@reddit
Americans don't know African mythology. Remember a few hundred years ago when Americans kidnapped and enslaved Africans and erased any thoughts of what African mythology could have been from the minds of the descendants of those that were enslaved. The words "African mythology" have no meaning in America since most Americans don't even that African mythology even exists.
Luvs2Spooge42069@reddit
For the people doing this it’s not so much about “representation” as it is about trying to rewrite history according to their ideology. Also the Oscars won’t even consider you for an award unless you do stuff like this
New_Drummer9910@reddit
By their logic, a movie could be made in which Hitler is African. But when I asked Gemini to design the poster for this movie, it said it wasn’t safe.
kenwoolf@reddit
Would be nice to actually get some new stories from different cultures. The current ones are getting old.
sjedinjenoStanje@reddit
What nationality is Christopher Nolan?
_KingOfTheDivan@reddit
They don’t care about racial representation, they care about selling the film. And, I guess, they aren’t sure if a film about African culture will be profitable enough
Icy_Support9533@reddit
Brotha, don't worry, a lot of us Americans hate it too. Hollyweird does NOT represent the majority of what we think. They are still trying to brainwash us.
Aakkii_@reddit
This!
CarobOk8979@reddit
They just can’t do a movie with black characters based on african culture because they are so racist deep down they think it’s a bad thing to do this association. I was so thrilled when I found out Mihai Tican Rumano(the Romanian) wrote a book about what he experienced in Abysinia (modern day Ethiopia) and later he was decorated by Silassie King himself. Sadly it’s pretty hard to get a copy of the book m but still searching.
aperfectdaymilkman@reddit
Ofc a Ukranian is gonna be racist, lol, anyway none of the characters in The Odyssey are white xoxo
Careless_Film_5747@reddit
Yes because so many white people and non-black people would watch that right? Film studios have to think about what will make them money.
Tremor0135@reddit
Its like reading Journey to the West and being triggered there are only chinese people in the story.
Designer-Throat9666@reddit
This is a good point. That actually sounds like a cool concept
AdvancedAd3228@reddit
There is a reason why is it like that
Eastern_Mist@reddit
Yeah honestly I don't get a gut reaction to this anymore. After all, races are more social than anything. I'm Ukrainian ethnically too if that matters. Like,
it's honestly fine if it's historically incorrect because of the other historically inaccurate things in the movie. It's going to stand out, but I also don't mind. Tbh I remember KCD2 doing black inclusion in a pre-industrial setting best - having a black prince(?) character in 15th century Bohemia because he was rich and could afford to travel. It's both signifying diversity and feels organic. But I also won't be shitting my pants because a "black" character plays a "white" one lol. Especially if she's a good actor. I don't know this actress, but, after all, it's not as easy for non-whites to get jobs and prominence in the film industry afaik so programs like these help talented people.
But yeah I'd love to see something from Africa. I have the same reaction - a huge continent, Ethiopia is the second country to adopt Christianity ever, a lot of people, the cradle of humanity. I think there's a lot of stories to be told.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean there are movies made by black people about black stories.
InspectorCute5763@reddit
Well if you want an oscar, you need to hit the checkbox, so here are the rules:
A1. Lead or significant supporting actors from underrepresented racial or ethnic groups
A2. General ensemble cast
At least 30% of all actors not submitted for Oscar consideration are from at least two underrepresented groups which may include:
https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards
MessaDiGloria@reddit
Portraying a disability (performed of course by a non-disabled actor—otherwise, where would we end up?!) is also a surefire way to win an Oscar!
anythingcirclejerker@reddit
Flair checks out.
TheNinjaNarwhal@reddit
This is what bothers me as well. Instead of actual representation they go for a bunch of virtue signaling and controversies and there's that. We could've had so many better things.
bush3102@reddit
I'm fine with it. Nolan is a great director. For the haters, get over it.
kicco14@reddit
Elliot Page will not play Achille by the way. Try again.
8rutalix@reddit
Hollywood is so devoid of people in America & Europe that they could not even field A SINGLE Beautiful white female to play Helen of Troy as The Most Beautiful Women in The World and a decent strong manly guy to play Achilles as the strongest warrior in Greek history or even rival Brad Pitt's charisma that you need a woman to replace a man???
America's woke culture is truly a freaking joke to the entire world now...LMAO!!!
Rescheduled1@reddit
🤮
Competitive_Debt_390@reddit
this looks like Omonoia, smells like Omonoia and sounds like it too.
P.S. Nothing wrong with the actors. I like them all in different projects. But this is not Homer’s Odyssey. The most horrific part so far was when Robert Pattinson said “oh do you miss your daddy?” or smth along those lines. Yeah Telemachus do you miss your daddy? Travis let me hear ya!
P.S. 2 The only person that could realistically pass for a Greek is Anne Hathaway and she’d be perfect for the part had she not had a crazy amount of botox that impedes her facial expressions.
lankseyyy@reddit
I’m all for diversity but where do you draw the line?
Disasterdenegade3_0@reddit
Lupita nyong si esta bonita
Y nadie se queja del jesis blanco cuando el era un semita arabe . . . .
Elliot page como aquiles si esta mal
Early_Bus_9646@reddit
Respectfully; that’s not a face that would launch my ship, let alone 999 other captains.
Achilles was described as having a large chest, tall height, and powerful limbs. Does that sound like Elliot Page to you? Because it doesn’t to me, no matter how many crunches he has done. He looks very buff for his form, but his frame is diminutive and no amount of muscle is changing that.
Either Christopher Nolan has totally lost it, or we are looking at a The Producers situation.
Early_Bus_9646@reddit
Christopher Nolan has lost his damn mind with seeking out people willing to method act.
He already killed a guy doing it, and now he’s going to psychologically damage more people; both through his directing methods, and the travesty of a Batman movie set to the Odyssey he is going to show to people.
Nikaesar@reddit
Total fail. Homer's Odyssey was never some diverse melting pot. Helen was a fair skinned, golden-haired Spartan queen, daughter of Zeus, the ultimate beauty in an epic built by European blood and gods.
totalbooch12@reddit
I was very excited to see the Odyssey brought to life in modern film. The more I see the casting the less excited I get. Here’s to hoping though.
Fickle_Writing_2667@reddit
How the fuck can you have an opinion until you see the movie? This is rage baiting and it’s pathetic.
LifeIsNotMyFavorite@reddit
Classic American retardation.
ratatoskr09@reddit
Christopher Nolan isn't American
Wonderful_Pomelo95@reddit
Moviemaker is actually brittish
Nihil_Sub_Sole_Novi@reddit
Like this?
Beneficial_Amoeba200@reddit
Yeah, we want out
gizmokop@reddit
Not what i picture when i think of the great Achilles. I mean he/they whatever looks 12.
BorKon@reddit
Its so bad Im not even going to pirate it. Fck this
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
Isn't this considered cultural appropriation tho?
SolidSneak@reddit
Are Akira Kurosawa’s Shakespeare adaptations cultural appropriation? I don’t see how this is different. It’s a Hollywood cast and crew adapting the story.
bipolar1_baby325@reddit
Anyway, I believe Europe needs far right parties to come together
MrKorakis@reddit
I think it's cultural appropriation if one takes up elements of a culture that is not theirs.
A white person with corn rows or someone with no link to Japan embracing something typically Japanese out of cultural context because they think it's cool, something like that.
I don't think this even counts as appropriation this is just stupidity.
CursedAmeba@reddit
wait until you find out about cultural appreciation. For a example a white person wearing cornrows isn’t cultural appropriation by default. Cultural appropriation is when you take something that doesn’t belong in your culture and claim it as yours/ disrespecting it. A white person with curly hair wearing cornrows appreciates the culture and respects it. We use that to protect the hair not to claim it as ours and disregard the history/ disrespect the culture (which is what’s happening in this case). Homer often describes Helen as a fair skinned and light haired woman. The actor is none of that. The director disregards completely the original texts (which are part of greek culture) for modern trends and it feels like appropriation to me. It’s like the play is re written without respect to the original texts
ComfyTeri@reddit
You are correct, sir.
Fun-Barracuda1650@reddit
White people having corn rows is cultural appropriation? 😂😂😂😂 Honkies gotta shame themselves over ever little thing huh 😂
merdeauxfraises@reddit
It is
Taqqer00@reddit
Hahaha oh man
Killergamer7@reddit
Americans appropriating culture? Never!!!
SpicyChanged@reddit
Ellen page isn’t playing Achilles I know people would start to lie
Suitable-Bank-2703@reddit
Final nail in the coffin for Hollywood if true. Jumping the shark.
Bob_of_the_Sith@reddit
She isn’t Helen of Troy material.
Craptose_Intolerant@reddit
This a rage bait bro ? 🤨
Sardoodledome@reddit
you wish, but sadly seems reality!
WagwanMoist@reddit
I googled it and both actors are in the movie but nothing about what characters they are playing. Helen of Troy and Achilles are some of the speculations people have had, among others. So yeah, ragebait.
Sardoodledome@reddit
They intentionally did not put it before release because Ellen Page is very ... "problematic" on these issues and also there will be a BIG BIG issue with this and the narrative will go away from the movie... I can bet money that Ellen Page will play Achilles !
WagwanMoist@reddit
Bet money based on what? It's all speculation. Elliot might as well play one of the suitors or something. A smaller side role.
Sardoodledome@reddit
RemindMe! 3 Months
WagwanMoist@reddit
Look it might happen, but it might as well not. My point is this is currently all speculation so saying "Seems reality" is a bit early to say.
ComfyTeri@reddit
!RemindMe 3 months
WagwanMoist@reddit
And what are you going to do with the reminder? If the rumor turns out to be true you're going to tell me I'm wrong or something? For saying that it's a rumor at the moment, which it is, and that it might be a good idea to save the outrage until when you actually know if it's true or not?
Sardoodledome@reddit
Hollywood is a propaganda machine ... This fits their narrative well and it will be used ... Tell me one other business that can afford to throws 350 millions down the drain for a bad narrative ....
WagwanMoist@reddit
I'm all for criticizing Hollywood and their excessive pandering. It's still all speculation at the moment. Nobody knows what characters they'll play. Save your outrage for when you actually know that there's something to criticize instead of doing it prematurely, as it might turn out to not be true.
4baobao@reddit
It's probably maga propaganda, they are obviously trying to aggravate people and make them hate different minorities
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cool_berserker@reddit
As a black person casting black people into these obviously controversial roles seems likes some annoying rage bait. Who sits down and think this is a good idea?
karagiannhss@reddit
What i learned from this experience is apparently that according to the people who defend this movie, its art direction and the casting choices, Greek people have no right to express any opinion on what their culture and nation, ancient and modern alike, should look like, because apparently Nolan and anyone who is not Greek knows better than the Greeks themselves, and anything can mean anything and not have a specific narrowed down aesthetic and vibe regardless of the minor variations that may or may not pop up over the years.
LFAdvice0909@reddit
That's because when your opinion is "I only have an issue with the one black woman" and not all the white people in the movie, when there are a ton of amazing Greek actors that could have filled this cast, you're being racist. But we're not supposed to call that out on the reddit echo chamber.
All of the casting of this movie is ridiculous and none of you racists are fooling me.
CursedAmeba@reddit
the issue is the casting is way far off the original texts. If you’re going to adapt something at least try to make it look closer to the original
LFAdvice0909@reddit
I agree with this entirely. I disagree that most people are only taking issue with the black and trans actors and none of the white ones that do not look close to the original interpretation.
A lot of people here are just simply racist.
There are too many amazing Greek actors that should have been cast. But there is never the same racist vitreol when Hollywood white washes everything and casts white people in roles that a diverse actor should have had as it's their culture.
Racism.
HisztisMyrtle@reddit
Name one who can sell a huge budget movie. Yeah, I'd also probably prefer someone else than Matt Damon in this role but they probably sell the movie, while (excuse me) no name Greek actors wouldn't attract the masses to the cinema. Casting Greek actors (sadly) takes away the sellability. Casting a white Helena wouldn't. To the contrary, a black one does because it's ridiculous.
Btw, strictly speaking, I don't think we have that detailed description of Odusseus that Damon would surely not fit, but that's beside the point.
Funny-Waltz2451@reddit
True...I was thinking 'Matt Damon??' I couldn't believe it when I saw him, such an odd choice
karagiannhss@reddit
I mean i do have an issue with race swapping in general, because Greek people just werent black in ancient times and its very well known because they were very racist towards people not of their ethinicity regardless of skin color.
Would i have prefered greek actors instead? Sure a ton, but there really arent that many that have a good knowledge of english and the acting chops to pull this off, so ill prefer at least having a cast of actors that can pull this all off convincingly - and eliot page, Lupita Nyong'o and Zendaya just dont fit their rumored roles of Achilles, Helen and Athena. My main issue however is that the aesthetics seem to be all over the place and people act as if this movie has no aesthetic obligations at all. Its set in ancient greece. It has to evoke the look of it convincingly and Nolan just doesnt get it
Funny-Waltz2451@reddit
Page plays Hermes though
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Well, we expected little mermaid to have the songs in Danish too but it didn't happens.
Anaevya@reddit
Is the fairytale set in Denmark? I don't think it is, at least I don't remember Denmark being mentioned.
It's really not comparable to Greek mythology.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Is it kinda since the statue is in Denmark
Rhaspy_@reddit
lmao
casual_philosopher02@reddit
they are olnly missing Jason Momoa as Penelope
blainedewilde@reddit
Samuel L Jackson is more fitting for the role
Fedora_Million_Ankle@reddit
Jon Cena as Trojan Horse
Designer_Put_5949@reddit
Are you sure about that!!
Original-Car9756@reddit
Flavor Flav as Athena
Cute_Intention7927@reddit
they never saw it coming
Menthalion@reddit
They'd never see it standing and get it into the gates..
vartholomew-jo@reddit
Sarah Jessica Parker!
Aggressive_Lie_4446@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
fk_censors@reddit
Hahaha
Cultural-Part355@reddit
Ahh, or Gal Gadot?
Fedora_Million_Ankle@reddit
*...and Gal Gadot, as Trireme"
blainedewilde@reddit
Won't work, they can't see him
Dedeurmetdebaard@reddit
Samuel L Jackson would be much better as Iphigenia.
vic_lupu@reddit
MOTHERFUCKER
Milan_Leri@reddit
Yo Odyssey! Where ya been all this time, motherfucker!
Minskdhaka@reddit
*Odysseus. The Odyssey was the journey he went on (named after him).
Thirteen_Chapters@reddit
Somehow it's even more funny to imagine him shouting Odyssey like the guy's name.
kodial79@reddit
I've had it with these motherfuckin suitors in this motherfuckin palace!
Equivalent_Sea3345@reddit
I was looking for a better word but no one can beat that
blobmort@reddit
I want Samuel L Jackson as Penelope
Janissaire7@reddit
Hahaha!! read it with exact “the tone”.
Substantial_Look_736@reddit
I upgrades the bet, terry crews isba vetter helen of troy
CorporateSlave101@reddit
That would've made me buy a limited edition blu ray
azaghal1502@reddit
Jack Black as Menelaos and Dwayne Johnson as Hector.
blainedewilde@reddit
I want melissa mcCarthy to play a man role, no make up or anything just her with a fake moustache
azaghal1502@reddit
Melissa McCarthy AS Agamemnon!
Cultural-Part355@reddit
"I'm tired of this muthafucking snakes, in my muthfucking court." - Priam L. Jackson
Few_Association3691@reddit
But could he be tarzan?
blainedewilde@reddit
No, that would be Emma Stone
UwUZombie@reddit
Honestly.. if they went with an ancient Greek theatre vibe.. All women should be played by men.
Even that would be more loyal to the source material than this race bending stuff.
1nOnlyMattyB@reddit
The source material isn’t a play though dickhat … it’s a poem , so no it wouldn’t be more loyal to the source
UwUZombie@reddit
Was the source material a movie then? You modern cups are funny.
From Google: "The most famous ancient play is "The Trojan Women" (Troades) by Euripides, first performed in 415 BC. It is a powerful anti-war play that depicts the suffering of the women of Troy after their city was sacked by the Greek army."
"There have been numerous stage plays about Troy, ranging from ancient Greek tragedies to modern interpretations. The story of the Trojan War has been a staple of theatrical performance for nearly 2,500 years."
So keep your dickhat on or read about ancient Greek theatre. This movie is not honoring the story or Greeks. Keep praising Hollywood classless dickhat.
TreesHappen75@reddit
I think they got confused, and cast a confused tiny broad, as Achilles instead.
casual_philosopher02@reddit
just Imagine Momoa waiting for Odysseus
wowaddict71@reddit
His next project after that would be playing as Sailor Moon.
egny@reddit
Suddenly it appears Odysseus to have gone missing on purpose.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
They would never in a million years cast Elliot Page to play Achilles
MinimumTomfoolerus@reddit
Yes, with clay masks 🎭
kodial79@reddit
But the Odyssey is not a play.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Gender bending and he is a man playing a man.
Like for real do you thing that Eliot is a girl?
Look at him!
Equal-Row-554@reddit
Nobody's talking about Elliot..
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean people are talking about Eliot.
Some do.
But my problem is the lack of trans movies being made right now.
Like only trans movie being produced are produced either by people who are actively allies or by trans people.
We don't see any big movie about trans people.
Equal-Row-554@reddit
But the person you're replying to is one about Jason Mamoa playing a woman (as was the norm in ancient greek). Elliot was totally irrelevant to this particular conversation.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
It just felt like Jason playing a woman was a reference because you never know with those people
Equal-Row-554@reddit
I mean, it could be, but it's a pretty common joke that people make about insanely muscular men playing the role of a woman (eg Terry Cruise as tinkerbell/fairy god mother)
ImportantResponse0@reddit
There are replies that state that he is not a man but a women so I don't know.
People do hate on him
Equal-Row-554@reddit
I understand that people hate on him, but in the context of this specific conversation, I don't think your reply was rrlebent as you're making assumptions more so than anything.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean my assumption are based on the toxicity in this thread related to him.
Can we please let trans people breath.
Equal-Row-554@reddit
That doesn't mean it's fair to automatically assume that everyone is making some sort of jab.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Fair.
UwUZombie@reddit
Why would there be trans representation in this movie specifically? Casting Eliot isn't trans representation either.
I know the original myth had Achilles dress as a woman to avoid being drafted for the war (was his mother's plan to save his life) but being trans is a completely different situation.
Eliot is playing a man, not a trans man in the movie. Achilles never had to experience any discomfort about his gender and sex.
There are some movies with trans representation like Predestination 2014 and it's a great movie but I'll be honest and say it's a bit weird to me that you shoehorn the subject in unrelated movies.
I think actual representation calls for stories specifically made with trans people in mind otherwise it's cheap and only done to meet representation quota not because the creators care.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I never stated that in this movie
I just stayed that in movies in general.
And I agree that we need representation in representative movies othereise makes no sense.
yonk9@reddit
I don't think there is a lack of trans movies. Almost nobody wants to see that.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I do any many do want to see that.
I Saw The Tv Glowing is an example.
Fragrant_Bug_9124@reddit
Hey, are you Greek? whats going on there in regard to this movie? what are some of the reactions to this abomination being made?
conmeonemo@reddit
Terry Crews
iceman27l@reddit
Hear me out, I have the best cast. Kevin hart as Helen, Dwayne Johnson as Paris.
Then we have Peter Dinklage as archilles, fighting Olivier Richters as hector.
Finally Agamemnon is played by Gal Gadot and Menelaus by Tomer Capone. Trojan soldiers will be all from the Middle East and will be a mix of men and women
ERB_07@reddit
Dwayne Johnson as Paris wouldn't work because he has it written in his contract that his character can't lose... actually he would be perfect now that i think about it
kodial79@reddit
Danny de Vito as Heracles. Heracles appears in the Odyssey too, so there's still time, c'mon Nolan!
Vanpet1993@reddit
Nah, Terry Crews or no one!
DependentOpposite176@reddit
Or... hear me out. Terry Crews as No one
DarthTomatoo@reddit
Let's be honest, Jason Momoa would rock that role.
jxxstinB@reddit
I am 𝖠̶𝗊̶𝗎̶𝖺̶𝗆̶𝖺̶𝗇̶ Penelope,

Kovalski94@reddit
Terry Crews would be perfect for that role.
ThrowRA-miss387@reddit
Hahahahahaaaa!! 🤣🤣🤣
steve17123123@reddit
or Jack Black
Malecord@reddit
And Zendaia as Poseidon and Peter Dinklage as the cyclope.
Megan3356@reddit
Too good 😌
Critical_Swimming_70@reddit
You are so funny but it sounds rather realistic in this day and age.
Acceptable-Camel-848@reddit
how to speedrun losing 100+ million
Some-Local-6357@reddit
almost everything about this movie is an insult to the people of Greece
Mister__Mediocre@reddit
You (from whatever background) probably have as much in common with the people of Ancient Greece as the people who live there today.
unknown_cookie_dough@reddit
As a Greek i agree...I do believe that movies such as these (historical) should be kept as accurate as possible. That being said i would love to see some historical movies about different cultures such as African, they have such rich history as well and it's not being projected to the media. Instead they recast people of color in roles that aren't compatible. To me that is an insult to them as well...like please make a movie that is centered around people of color, other cultures (Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Mexican etc) and make them historically accurate so people can get educated while still including these cultures in the media like they deserve. I feel like what they're doing is a low effort way to include everyone but with inaccuracy sadly
cool_berserker@reddit
As a black person casting black people into these obviously controversial roles seems likes some annoying rage bait. Who sits down and think this is a good idea?
Awichek@reddit
The Iliad is, first and foremost, a mytho-epic text in which gods actively intervene in human affairs. Homer also describes something much closer to the warrior aristocracies of his own age than to the actual political and military structures of the Mycenaean world, with its rigid bureaucracy and palace hierarchy. At the same time, neither of those eras really corresponds to what modern audiences instinctively imagine as “ancient Greece.” I honestly do not see how such material could ever be adapted in a genuinely historical way.
We can either adapt the poem as it is, with Hecatoncheires, divine interventions, cranes hunting pygmies, and all the other mythological elements, without pretending that any of this is historically realistic. Or we can make a genuinely authentic film about a Mycenaean-era war, complete with historically accurate armor, social structures, and political institutions. But in that case, the central conflicts of the poem simply stop making sense. In the highly bureaucratic palace societies of the Late Bronze Age, there could not really be semi-independent warlords feuding over women in the way Homer depicts. Those dynamics belong much more to the social world of the Greek Dark Ages than to historical Mycenaean civilization.
Or we can simply stop caring about historical authenticity altogether, dress everyone in vaguely Classical Greek-inspired costumes, and treat the entire setting as pure mythology. But at that point, historical accuracy is already out the window anyway, so you might as well cast a Nubian Helen, a trans Achilles. Even make Zeus Indian, which at least would make a certain amount of sense given how obvious the Indo-European roots of the character are.
Celestina-Warbeck@reddit
Yes!!! I got a very small introduction to African mythology in a uni course and (of all places) Doctor Who. I would love to see a movie centered around Anansi, for example
UwUZombie@reddit
I'm not entirely sure why they do this. Would movies about African, Indian, poc cultures not sell tickets?
This reminds me of Cleopatra being casted as black for some Netflix documentary.
Could be rage bait. A way to make people talk about the movie.. But will it sell? I guess we'll wait and see how gullible people are.
avatarjak@reddit
White American audiences have been shown to have a hard time being able to relate or connect with Black American stories/films. At least that’s what Hollywood executives and financiers think. Look up how long it took to get Black Panther made.
So low hope for an African, Indian, POC story
Sorry-Zookeepergame5@reddit
you do realize this is less a historical movie than Braveheart was?
unknown_cookie_dough@reddit
In Greece we are educated with Homer ans his works since a very young age. To us it's also about cultural inaccuracy. I have never watched Braveheart so I can't give an opinion on this. But mythology is a huge part of Greek culture and it shows respect when you try to keep it intact. That being said I do believe that other mythologies such as the Scandinavian one should also be kept intact in that sense. It's part of their culture and it did shape history. If you ever read Greek Philosophers, all the topics they discuss are always tied to spirituality and they do have some mythology in it. In Ancient Greece mythology was embedded into the culture...hence my reaction
feral0101@reddit
I feel like this is no different than the people who yell out cultural appropriation at every turn.
It’s not like this movie is meant to represent a real historic events or to shape people’s views or understand of Greek culture. It’s just some generic Hollywood movie based on mythology.
Nobody watches this and thinks of it as indicative of anything remotely of Greek culture, both current and ancient in any way, shape, or capacity.
unknown_cookie_dough@reddit
I respect your opinion but i will disagree with you. Greek mythology is still part of Greek culture. We get educated on Homer and other Greek writers and philosophers all our school years and of course mythology because it is part of our culture. The war of Troy and this movie is written by Homer and it is called Iliad. So they take this concept and decide to bring to life with inaccuracies....same thing with the Cleopatra documentary on Netflix...and many many other cultures Hollywood has not respected. Greek mythology is part of Greek culture and since this movie is based on the Iliad and not written by a script writer they should cast people that fit the role. Also I am a person that loves i when I see tourists wearing Grecian jewelry and clothing or they study philosophers etc especially if they are respectful about it. When it gets distorted...no...i don't find it respectful. That's my point of view
Some-Local-6357@reddit
Are people not allowed to be upset that such a culturally significant work is being jeopardized?
Also isn't the name literally the Odyssey it doesn't get more Greek than that I'm afraid. Audiences are going to watch this and a good portion of them is going to leave theaters and believe that Greeks wore this type of armor and had Viking longships
feral0101@reddit
Anyone is allowed to upset about anything, whether it meaningfully warrants it or not is what matters. Hence why I’m saying this feels like the other side of the ‘everting is cultural appropriation’ coin.
It’s a Hollywood movie bastardising Greek mythology. It’s not a documentary, it’s not some hyper realistic telling of the mythology, nor is it trying to portray or define Greek contemporary or Ancient Greek culture. It’s just Hollywood movie trying to create mindless entertainment.
You might have a point about the armour, but isn’t that kind of the norm with any movie set in medieval times? 99.99% of the rage is about the casting
unknown_cookie_dough@reddit
In Greece we are educated with Homer ans his works since a very young age. To us it's also about cultural inaccuracy. I have never watched Braveheart so I can't give an opinion on this. But mythology is a huge part of Greek culture and it shows respect when you try to keep it intact. That being said I do believe that other mythologies such as the Scandinavian one should also be kept intact in that sense. It's part of their culture and it did shape history. If you ever read Greek Philosophers, all the topics they discuss are always tied to spirituality and they do have some mythology in it. In Ancient Greece mythology was embedded into the culture...hence my reaction
Sebas94@reddit
Everything but having a movie in Ancient Greek!
Only Mel Gibson is into making mythology and History with the right language and environment like in the Passion of Christ or Apocalypse.
KtinaDoc@reddit
Apocalypse was awesome! I might give it a rewatch
FrogInAShoe@reddit
Apocalypse? A good historical movie? Wtf are you smoking?
Dramatic_Mastodon_93@reddit
no one is keeping greece from making their own movie
Complex_Rule_797@reddit
Absolutely right. Won't be going to see this crap.
LloyDBear@reddit
Elliot is way too short
SentenceTop1585@reddit
a good way to burn money
SentenceTop1585@reddit
This would be similar
dobar_dan_@reddit
To be fair plenty of albinos are African.
SentenceTop1585@reddit
to be fair, what is an albino?
ComfyTeri@reddit
?
Rage_Blackout@reddit
Well to be fair, Hollywood sort of did this for decades before it became unpopular.
SentenceTop1585@reddit
to be fair, when was that, and does that fact make this behaviour progressive or regressive?
Mrbigz12@reddit
They call him the white wolf 😂
Natopor@reddit
How it feels to not care
On a serious not, Helen and Achilles are two characters which shouldn't even be part of the Odyssesy. They are central for the Illiad. Heck, Achilles is dead by the time Troy falls. In the Odyssesy, Helen makes a small cameo. But I guess Helen and Achilles are the only two characters americans know somewhat about, hence the topic. At this point we might as well talk about the casting of some random grunt from any movie or TV show.
And I checked just now and the casting isn't even confirmed. So we might make all this fuss for nothing.
ComfyTeri@reddit
Wow, you're so enlightened and smart for not caring.
Alone-Peace1660@reddit
The casting is confirmed. both achilles and helen are in the official trailer
yucadulce@reddit
Why would you assume Americans would only know about Helen and Achilles? They made us read the Odyssey too lmao 🤣
beerRunFinisher@reddit
Achilles makes an appearance in Dante's inferno
Scared-Piglet280@reddit
Cared enough to write a well researched comment.
Great_Bar1759@reddit
Also the drama is mostly just chud YouTubers making a fuss about it
AdamBerner2002@reddit
Achilles meets Odysseus in the underworld and Helen and Menelaus are visited by Telemachus while he’s searching for his father.
Pure_Stop_5979@reddit
Yes and yes.
Masketto@reddit
And that short meeting I would argue is a very important detail in the question of The Odyssey's rejection of Illidian virtue, so I think a brief depiction of Achille is absolutely warranted
kodial79@reddit
Achilles appears as a ghost in the Odyssey.
Sunflower-23456@reddit
For movie purposes they will probably be shown in a flashback when stories are told about them
theschiffer@reddit
Odyssesy? Two times?
wretchedkitchenwench@reddit
My initial thought too. I don’t actually remember Achilles appearing at all in the Odyssey, but it’s been a while since I read it.
toofabforfanghorn@reddit
He doesn’t at all, he falls during the battle of Troy. The odyssey is after Troy falls
bulmier@reddit
Hades will probably be bummed to find out that once people fall they disappear from the narrative.
VisibleIdeal1404@reddit
Odysseus met him in the Underworld, along with other dead Achaeans.
NotoriousMOT@reddit
That’s the scene I was thinking of too. Only time he (his shadow) appears in the Odyssey.
orestaras@reddit
I hope they have the same screen time like the book then
VerkoProd@reddit
the only good answer
SorinIonRahova@reddit
NANAMI CORE
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Personally, I wouldn't have minded anything regarding the cast, if the story wasn't Murican-washed, as in intentionally trying to create the world in the image of some NYC neighbourhood & its racial categories.
Lishio420@reddit
They also based this whole movie on a retelling/retranslation of the odyssey through a moderk feminists lens.
This shit is just gonna be so cursed.
The_shrinkle_berry@reddit
Trans achilles and black helen is american (jew) washing…
socialanxAITA@reddit
real.
source: lived in manhattan
beerRunFinisher@reddit
Ancient people certainly noticed racial categories, that's how they distinguished between friend and foe. But my making every side multicultural, you don't really know who belongs to which tribe and that might be intentionally done by Hollywood as they don't want people to be tribalistic
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Okay, let me start with some well-known facts: racial categories aren't real in the biological sense, but they're social constructs. If you mean skin colour differences or hair colour etc., then Ancient Greeks hadn't cared about those really, as there existed people with different skin tones and hair or eye colours. Vast majority of Europeans were with darkish skin tones up until 5000 years ago anyway, so meh. They've acknowledged differences via the others' material cultures, customs, and languages. Then, there existed no West African or Chinese in Troy, but that's another matter than 'ancient people recognising race'.
There's nothing multicultural about some different Muricans with different ancestries. They're of the same culture and same nation, but at most with slight subcultural differences.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
Europeans and Asians has the genes for light skin at least 30,000 years ago. I wouldn't say America isn't multicultural, I think Balkanization is inevitable for America but it won't happen as long as the US dollar & military is dominant.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3525146/?hl=en-US#:~:text=Using%20compound%20haplotype%20systems%20consisting,of%2DAfrica%20migration%2C%20whereas%20the&text=The%20modes%20of%20our%20age,and%20SLC45A2%20occurred%20only%20within
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Light skin doesn't mean 'pale' skin tones. You're welcome to search for recent studies, and how most Europeans had darker skin tones up until 5000 years ago.
They're a settler-colony, and Balkanisation is less likely compared to anywhere else, as they don't have different national groups, different identities, let alone enough native people to cause a separation.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
I did an analysis on how dark Europeans were 5,000 years ago, and concluded none of them were nearly as dark as Helen of Troy.
Every country that exists today was once a settler colony.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Yes, but your comment was about how 'ancient Europeans recognised the racial differences', not about if they would have recognised a West African as 'different'. Some Acheans in 13th century BCE wouldn't be able to see a West African in the shores of Anatolia anyway.
Nope, as settler-colony is a specific term, referring to genocidal settler-colonisation via literal physical replacement of the existing native populations.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
You think Europe today wasn't founded on genocide by settlers? There are many genetic groups that saw a 90% collapse at the same time other migrants groups came in (genocide).
https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/BritainCulturesBeaker.htm?hl=en-US#:~:text=It%20had%20been%20found%20that,by%20sidelining%20existing%20indigenous%20males
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Genocides and settler-colonisation are with such intents, and they purge the previously existing populations from the gene pools. The male lineage in some limited rather small group getting really thin with a brutal conquest or a brutal war isn't synonymous with getting totally purged from the whole gene pool & getting totally replaced for the sake of the vast lands being settler-colonised.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
Are you insane, how did the beaker migrants into Britain reduce the indigenous people by 90% without genocidal intent?
https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsBritain/BritainCulturesBeaker.htm?hl=en-US#:~:text=It%20had%20been%20found%20that,by%20sidelining%20existing%20indigenous%20males
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Are you seriously incapable of reading the very article you provide?
It's male lineage, and happened over centuries of favouritism, rather than some people showing up and slaughtering & cleansing the existing population with a genocidal fashion for the sake of taking over the land.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
90-95% of the population of the native Americans was because of small pox, the Spanish smallpox had already eliminated them long before the American colonialist arrived.
So a 90% male lineage replacement isn't genocide? You honestly think this was because of female preference? Lmaoooo
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
That's some lazy effort at its best. Native American populations, whom had partially recovered from the diseases, had been intentionally slaughtered, kidnapped, mass exiled & cleansed, etc. in masses, no matter if diseases had reduced their numbers during the first contact. The genocidal expansion westwards and further settler-colonisation also continued latter on.
90% male lineage replacement that happened within hundreds of years via favouritism in sex isn't a genocide, yes. Genocide do have specific definitions, and none covers such - who would have thought?
beerRunFinisher@reddit
It's not lazy, it's factual.
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/consumer-health/smallpox-kills-thousands-indigenous-americans
Okay, so did women in 2,500 BC ancient patriarchal societies could be in romantic relationships with whoever they want?
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
And it doesn't negate that settler-colonisers then genocided the native populations, and did so long after the first contact. It's kin to trying to excuse things via black plague in Europe killing a huge sum, lol.
Other than whatever you're assuming being not really true, that's still not a genocide...
beerRunFinisher@reddit
If they were genocided then why are the Americans full of native American people? Therefore it's not a genocide. See I can use your own logic too
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Mate, genocide is a defined term. A male lineage being not-chosen for hundreds of years due to some bias isn't something that falls within that definition.
You don't use any 'logic' or whatsoever and cannot even categorise things accordingly to their definitions.
beerRunFinisher@reddit
"some bias" You can define genocide but you can't define a bias from 5,000 years ago, hence why your argument is not based off reality but speculation
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Yes, because it has definitions? Who would have thought? /s
beerRunFinisher@reddit
And exactly how is 90-95% of the population collapse because of small pox by the Spanish a genocide? That logic, the black plague was an attempted genocide on Europeans
National-Frame8712@reddit
Problem is; the story is kinda old and has many versions and different "interpretation/translations"...
And the version Nolan decided to adapt into a movie is written by a vocal feminist that streched the story as fas as inhumanly possible to the point of modern progressivitism such as female empowerement is as subtle as a brick to the face
Saint-just04@reddit
What you wrote about Emily Wilson’s translation is blatantly false. She did not stretch the meaning, she explicitly pointed implicit greek term for the modern audience. Meaning that she preserved the meaning, by adapting the terminology.
The best example is with the greek term “house boy” which was translated as such by most other translator, yet Wilson decided to translate it as slave, because that’s what the “house boy” was and every ancient greek knew it. But to us, the meaning is hidden unless explicitly said.
I have read multiple translation of the Odyssey, and i think Wilson’s is one of the best, mostly for its simplicity and for those implicit meanings which i think do a lot to elevate the story more.
NoDefaultForMe@reddit
I'd assume most people would know that a 'house-boy' was a slave, given the films time and place.
Saint-just04@reddit
Not at all, since the tone can be quite friendly. It’s different to know that slaves existed back then and to be absorbed in a story and to focus on certain things.
I do think that Emily’s translation is by far the most accurate in terms of sound and meaning to how the ancient greek version would sound to an ancient greek, plain, simple, clear but beautiful. Though it is also less poetic, because poetic for us means basically Shakespearean or highly academic english. For which, Fagles’ version, perfect.
NoDefaultForMe@reddit
I've not read any versions and I've also heard that Emily's translation is from a feminist lens, but that could just be due to the content I consume, that would be likely to raise that as an issue. I've not heard her speak on the topic, so I'll refrain from those points, I don't know what I'd be talking about.
As for the rest of you comment, I'll acknowledge that. I've seen a lot of content that shows people tend to have a distorted view of slavery and the history of it, largely centered around the transatlantic trade.
pigeonshual@reddit
It’s from a feminist lens, but that lens isn’t “I’m gonna show how badass women are the core of the story,” it’s “I’m not gonna whitewash any of the violence and oppression that would have been obvious and quotidian to an ancient reader.”
NoDefaultForMe@reddit
Why is a feminist lens required for that?
Beneatskulls@reddit
I'm convinced the people complaining about Emily Wilson's translation haven't read any translations of The Odyssey.
laughingartichoke@reddit
*can't read
a_f_s-29@reddit
That translation is valid though
Tsarinya@reddit
What version do you mean? Because the credits about the film say it was written by Nolan and adapted from Homer
Intrepid_Walk_5150@reddit
And why not ? People can tell stories the way they want
crnalastavica@reddit
They did the same with Rings of Power lol.. male characters are basically bunch of cucks waiting for opinion of warlord women.
xlondelax@reddit
And the movie sales will show how that doesn't sell well. It will be just another Hollywood flop.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Interpretation and 'Murican-washing' aren't the same thing, tbh. Atwood's The Penelopiad is a re-interpretation from a female perspective, Wolf's Cassandra is a subversive interpretation, or James Joyce's Ulysses is an re-imagination. This is merely putting up some common Murican subgroups into cast for making things 'familiar' to them and for making them feel represented.
Odd-Psychology-4415@reddit
They don't have to be black and transgender to be fammiliar. It is borderline satire at this point.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
That's 'muh representation' for you, and tbf you need to put up West Africans for Murican-washing it a la familiarity. Now, you have Achilles and Patroclus for homosexual romantic undertones but eh.
Secret-Wonder8106@reddit
The story doesn't have different interpretation, tf are you talking about? The iliad and odyssey full scripts are both from around the 10th century and their content match older fragments from pre-chirst time. This isn't a shakespearean novel for it to have different "interpretation"
SemperZero@reddit
That's because they don't give a fuck about actual equality or racism. They just want to virtue signal and look good, manipulate naive people into thinking they care, when they themselves are the most racist and psychopaths out there.
ke3408@reddit
It's Murican washed because it's an American film studio made largely for the US domestic market. this happens with every film market. For example there is a Russian Huckleberry Finn that was screened at Cannes-0 Americans, there is an all German Scarlet Letter and Last of the Mohicans, there are like five all Italian versions of Call of the Wild and so on.
It's better to support your domestic filmmakers than expect foreign film studios to die on the hill of authenticity.
Low-Smoke-3602@reddit
Well funny that , marvel and dc movie are better than this upcoming Odyssey dogshit slop
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
I'd argue that Marvel and DC are mass-produced low-brow nonsense without any substance, so I don't think you can get lower than that - but maybe that's just me having a real disdain for such.
fulknerraIII@reddit
The film is written and directed by Nolan, who's not American. He chose the particular internerpation to base it on. He's openly talked about this.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
He doesn't have to be. It is a Hollywood production.
I'm personally not expecting a solid re-interpretation, as in many others did, like many re-interpretations of Antigone - but I expect a yet another meh Hollywood blockbuster with this or that actors/actresses.
krsCarrots@reddit
Feel ya
DULOVEMEDO@reddit
I have no intentions on watching this. I am tired of being gaslit.
rjcc364@reddit
She's better.
ZerotheR@reddit
Less excited for it than I am the Shaka Zulu bioflick with Ryan Gosling.
Designer_Object_6220@reddit
Who the hell is Elliot page?
IndependentOwn2956@reddit
I hope it fails financially miserably.
StressLvl-0@reddit
I know people were complaining the exact same way about David Corenswet playing Superman.
I’m not saying The Odyssey will be good, but I do think the general populace has a poor understanding of an actors range.
I just remembered people also complained about Chris Evans playing Captain America and used the examples of Not Another Teen Movie and the flop of Fantastic Four (2005)
Interesting_Chip8065@reddit
lol i thought this was a joke
East_Nobody_7345@reddit
No thanks
lisakora@reddit
This casting is eating you all alive and I’m delighted.
International_Hat_97@reddit
FAKE
JimbosBalls@reddit
Can't wait for this movie looks so cool
cool_berserker@reddit
If it's real I'm watching it
Professional_Emu5665@reddit
Turks need to be played by the whitest non binary creatures in hollywood.
Fun_Fig_239@reddit
Brokeback mountain sequel
Mrbigz12@reddit
I knew serbians are black now i can say the No no word 😂
Adorable-Ad-1180@reddit
anemonaeae@reddit
You know what though I’d watch this
power2go3@reddit
only if they get the buffest black guys ever.
LAZY_RED-PANDA@reddit
Kaito__1412@reddit
Based!
nazzykhan@reddit
Unused_Content19@reddit
Wrong.
Serbia and Albania are too irrelevant for the ‘Muricans to make a movie about them.
antinomya@reddit
Stars: Will Smith, Idris Elba and Jason Mamoa
Accurate-Mine-6000@reddit
This will be just as epic as The Marshal of Finland—the film about Mannerheim.
Glittering-Poet-2657@reddit
It’s gonna be a love movie on Netflix.
Krupnjache-No1@reddit
Lol
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The whole cast is weird, not just them. It's not a film I will watch. Nolan overall is extremely overrated, but the casting choices in this film in particular scream "I want to create controversy and namedrop the fuck out of the actors for clout, because otherwise I won't sell tickets". It feels waaaaay too gimmicky. At this point, just make another Marvel film and call it a day.
cool_berserker@reddit
Whoel cast is rage bait. As a black person casting black people into these obviously controversial roles seems likes some annoying rage bait. Who sits down and think this is a good idea?
starlordbg@reddit
The whole thing looks and sounds super weird in general, not just the cast.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The choice to do another take on a classic that has so many iterations already is just boring. I don't care if now it's modern, diverse or whatever. I just want films with new ideas and new scripts. If nothing else, there are SO MANY books being published every year, just turn one of those into a film. I miss the days when producers in film studios used to READ to discover new script writers and concepts.
kiPrize_Picture9209@reddit
this is the first time i've not been that excited for a Nolan film. Seems like everyone's in the same boat too. Remember the insane hype for Oppenheimer, at this stage in the marketing EVERYONE was talking about it. I don't see many caring rn tbh. It just doesn't seem that unique compared to Nolan's previous works. It wouldn't be a problem if I felt he was bringing a totally new take and fresh perspective on this story, but everything I've seen looks pretty grey and boring, a really uninspired depiction of Ancient Greece. None of the trailers have interested me. I really hope I'm wrong though and the movie turns out to be goated
MenthaOfficinalis@reddit
I read comment or meme somewhere “You do know that Greece has SUN?”
kiPrize_Picture9209@reddit
everything looks like scandinavia, like the odyssey took place in the baltics instead of the mediterranean. kind of ridiculous
Sorry-Zookeepergame5@reddit
so many iterations? which are those?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I looked it up recently, in film alone roughly 30-40 direct adaptations, plus many loose ones. Many more in literary and TV show adaptations.
Film examples: Helen of Troy (1956), Ulysses (1954, Kirk Douglas), L'Odissea (1968), Troy (2004), O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000, loose), Cold Mountain (loose Odyssey adaptation)
In Greece, the most popular iteration apart from Troy is the miniseries The Odyssey from 1997.
JuryTall1930@reddit
“Loose” adaptations shouldn’t count. And Troy is not the odyssey.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Achilles isn't part of the Odyssey either, apart from a tiny ghost appearance. I am guessing they will mix the two epics for this film. For me they count. I said iterations after all in my original comment, not purist adaptations.
Sorry-Zookeepergame5@reddit
There actually aren't, if any, adaptations of this scale.
Shouldn't we reserve judgement after the movie is actually released?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The post asks for an opinion on casting and my comment above was for casting and the choice to make this movie, NOT the movie itself. I love how you don’t like preemptive criticism, but also preemptively defend it at the same time though!
Sorry-Zookeepergame5@reddit
yet I replied to your post about the over-saturation of mainstream movies about this subject, which actually aren't that many.
Your take on Nolan is also quite rage baiting when you could've just said that you will skip the movie.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I personally don’t confine myself to mainstream media and I have no idea why the budget or the expected reach of a film should play a role in this. That’s the way I see it and you can disagree of course.
It’s not rage bait at all. I have provided very widely accepted issues with Nolan’s direction choices and films overall and it seems hardly controversial considering it got upvotes and no retort. I think someone added to it if anything. This is again an opinion to which you can disagree 🤷🏼♀️
etre1337@reddit
Like bro, if we want historical dramas, the entire Europe East to West and South to North is full of countless amazing stories and battles.
And for once, I want to see a movie about ancient Greece with a majority Greek cast.
Dapper-Bullfrog-4766@reddit
average greek looks more like an arab rather than like a white prince like elliot page though
merdeauxfraises@reddit
A) This is a product of fiction written around the late 8th or early 7th century BCE.
B ) The average Greek NOW is darker, yes, but that was not the case back then. Descriptions and depictions of Greeks of the era reveal that fair hair and light colored eyes were common. Genetic diversity shifted over multiple centuries.
C) Achilles is literally described fair haired/blonde by Homer, so is Helen of Troy and other characters of his epics.
lothmel@reddit
C) and some, like Odysseus, are described as having woolly hair and brown skin. From the first information from casting, it is pretty obvious that he doesn't care what they look like in the books.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
And if anything it’s proving that diversity in skin tone and hair should exist and isn’t the issue. The issue is the specific casting choices.
lothmel@reddit
Something tells me a lot of people would still have an issue with brown Odysseus.
I don't know what Nolan wants to do with the material, but since the beginning, it's been pretty obvious he doesn't intend to make a faithful adaptation. Why is it an issue now?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Idk, people like to ruminate on things. I think if Nolan did a more modern take on this as a looser adaptation, the reaction wouldn’t be so loud.
Taqqer00@reddit
You pulled B out of your ass probably. No old source shown the old greeks as blonde, only interpretations from a later period.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
"You pulled B out of your ass probably."
Yeah, that "probably" means you actually don't know shit and shouldn't be so confident in your "argument". Public access info, pictures, books are all over. Google is free, wikipedia is free, museums are accessible and many of them also free. Educate yourself and come back to me.
dcell1974@reddit
This is an embarrassing take from a Greek person. You have bought into the narrative that Greeks were blonde blue eyed aryans because the swarthy mudblood Greeks of today couldn’t possibly have achieved such greatness. All of that stuff has been debunked. Real Nazi race theory trash.
Taqqer00@reddit
They are indeed free, so go take a look.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I have, which is why I 'm not talking out of my ass.
Taqqer00@reddit
Clearly
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
Neither Arabs are monolithic in their looks, nor Ancient Greeks. Who would have thought?
We're also referring to a literal half-Nereid...
Diamondhandd@reddit
The only spot on choice was Charlize for the role of Calypso. Every other choice is questionable.
egny@reddit
And she's somewhat of African origin too.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Fair point. Homer calls her things like "lustrous", "fair-haired" and "bright among goddesses" so her looks check out.
Diamondhandd@reddit
That character is special for me because growing up i had the biggest crush imaginable for Vanessa Williams ( She played Calypso in the odyssey mini series) .
CrazyNegotiation1934@reddit
I wouldnt object her be Helen for sure :)
Mucklord1453@reddit
I actually liked her as Calypso
neo_genocid_gen@reddit
You had me stop scrolling.. Damn, she is lava hot..
merdeauxfraises@reddit
That mini series was peak, nobody will change my mind. Vanessa Williams does 100% look like she's an out-of-this-world majestic creature and was a great choice. Speaking of, what a perfect example to show how diversity and steering away from the original descriptions of the characters can be done in a way that still embodies the essence of the characters correctly.
TheNinjaNarwhal@reddit
I read "her thighs" and I was surprised by how progressive Homer was to call her thighs fair-haired, then by Charlize Theron having hairy thighs, and then I had the realisation that none of these make sense😭
jhonnytheyank@reddit
Even matt Damon as Odysseus imo.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yeah... Great actor but somehow I his face isn't giving "smartest man of all, respected king, commander and conqueror".
VisibleIdeal1404@reddit
he doesn't have the thighs for it
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I 'm so confused as to where the thighs come in to this haha
jhonnytheyank@reddit
It's important..... just is.
jhonnytheyank@reddit
The voice is so pussy with him.
VisibleIdeal1404@reddit
he doesn't have the thighs for it
Krinder@reddit
Overrated? The Batman movies? Interstellar? Dunkirk? The Prestige? Memento?
It’s one thing to say this movie was casted poorly it’s another to say Christopher Nolan is overrated. He literally owns like a third of the top 25 movies on IMDB of all time.
Mysterious-Put1459@reddit
I have had a feeling for a while that his movies get overhyped due to the label that he is an authentic director who uses only natural settings, no CGI, and exceptional film scores, particularly those by Hans Zimmer. If you analyze only the plots, is it much less impressive when you realize his main thing is spamming revelation plot twists at the end of every movie to make it feel profound and tremendous to casual viewers. In reality what this does is mask the disorganized screenplays where people get lost about what is happening and who are all these people and then boom the wrapping plot twist happens and everyone finally realizes everything at once and think it is such a sophisticated movie because all of the plot alluded to this but they didn't realise. It is so lazy
merdeauxfraises@reddit
As Harry Truman said, if you can’t convince them, confuse them.
TScottFitzgerald@reddit
Nolan in 2026 is suffering very much from Spielberg/Tarantino syndrome, where the director becomes so mainstream that it comes at the expense of other directors. So maybe not overrated but overexposed definitely.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
I judge him as a director alone, and not his films as a whole.
Imo, he peaked at Memento which is stellar, no notes, 10/10. The Batman movies were good but didn't change anyone's life, and what really elevated them was the actors more than the direction specifically, which was quite meh for me. Interstellar was technically interesting, but nothing more than that, which isn't a credit to him as a director, but for his technical team and of course Hoyte van Hoytema, the cinematographer. Dunkirk is the only film of his I have not watched, so I can not voice an opinion about it.
More importantly, Nolan's direction suffer from a lot of issues:
lavenderlovey88@reddit
the way eveeryone is speaking in american accent and Tom says , "Dad" made me wtf
TaTTooBoj@reddit
This is the only way to enter oscars race.
cool_berserker@reddit
As a black person casting black people into these obviously controversial roles seems likes some annoying rage bait. Who sits down and think this is a good idea?
Pitiful_Bag_6294@reddit
Woke dogshit and a complete mockery of European history or history in general.
Decebalus_Bombadil@reddit
Usual_Flounder_2002@reddit
It's just horrible pandering for no good reason. Athena wasn't of African descent and Achilles was always discussed as a great warrior with physical strength. A trans FTM does not fit this in any way shape or form....unless maybe is some random play on a side street in Greenwich Village..lol
grsharkgamer@reddit
Ok two things
If you're going for Story accuracy you can't really miss as, Homer never really describes how Helen looks
It's left to the reader interpretation
If you're going for historic accuracy this is a fucking Travesty (diversity quota be ruining movies)
KouThan@reddit
Homer does describe Hellen's appearance, but that's in the Illiad. She's not even supposed to be in the Odyssey. Some of the terms Homer uses to describe Hellen are: fair-haired (kallikomos), white-armed (leukolenos), and "richly dressed" (tanypeplos).
The weirder thing to me is why is she even in the movie, also considering both stories, she is the character with probably the least agency, Odysseus' dog Argos, has more of an impact to the actual story of the Odyssey. Seems like token inclusion.
grsharkgamer@reddit
Huh
I must have remembered Ελένη του Ευριπίδη instead of the Illiad
Also yeah Argos was straight up the most loyal dog ever known
KouThan@reddit
I was thinking of Euripides' Helen as well as I was writing the reply, and trying to make sure I was writing about the right one.
It is honestly so sad that there aren't any modern movie adaptations of that story, cause it is fascinating!
celoman@reddit
Hire Turkish and Greek actors you cowards!
KouThan@reddit
I would be fine with any Eastern Mediterranean people. Lebanese, Egyptian, Turkish, even southern Italians could fit. But it's Hollywood, they don't care, seems like they need to get the names to attract the money to produce the movie.
No_Occasion_4519@reddit
I heard Page was playing Troy of Helen.
dvgportor2@reddit
I will not pay for that shit. Thats all.
MsMarisol2023@reddit
No thoughts because if it bothers anyone, they have a choice not to watch it.
blipblop021@reddit
I could give a rat's ass! Never going to watch it!
Pretend-Marzipan7496@reddit
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Mammoth_Example_9581@reddit
Se o filme for bom , foda-se a Helena poderia ser uma mulher trans asiática ruiva.
CuriousComb6411@reddit
I'll be honest I'm not super familiar with Odyssey so I googled what "Achilles" the character is like.
... Sure... When I read that I definitely imagine Elliot Page... a person barely above 5 feet with delicate feminine features....
Zealousideal_Lime271@reddit
What fucking nonsense is this guy???💀
DandyElLione@reddit
The race of the characters are irrelevant to the themes of the story.
Ops8675309@reddit
I wonder what her penis looks like?
imranbecks@reddit
This should've been marked NSFW. That's a topless woman right there on the right!
Brave-Assumption-777@reddit
No comment on Helen but Troy played by Elliot Page, really? Disgusted.......
Alenobyl@reddit
If the actors do deliver the expected performance in their roles, I have no problem with that at all.
YourD3ATH311@reddit
It’s game over men !
deadpat03@reddit
Just can't wait for the day they make a historical Chinese movie staring Will Smith as emperor.
ChamberTwnty@reddit
This isn't a historical movie. You know Grease didn't even exist at the time these stories took place right? And they're all made up?
It's like ancient Lord of the Rings and everyone keeps getting caught up on " historical accuracy."
deadpat03@reddit
O so its fiction it can be interpreted anyway you want. So we can make the black panther white now and its OK because is not real.
sharpdaddy77@reddit
Movie is going to tank. You just cant cast ridiculous actors in roles. This is Seth Rogan as batman. It would be a disaster and so will this.
JazzlikeConflict6626@reddit
Why don’t they make Jesus black? I mean Jesus was probably closer to black than Helen.
PIuto@reddit
Jesus was a Palestinian refugee, so you really think they’re going to show that ? 🤭
deadpat03@reddit
So wait if Palestinian's were Judaism how did they become Muslim?
Icy_Praline_1297@reddit
That's different though, they only wanna do the blind casting to create the kinda controversy that makes them money, and makes minorities look bad, as if we're the ones who asked for it, not the kind that will offend the whole American image of the white blue eyed blonde Jesus, that's just too much for them🥀🥀🥀
Environmental-Sun291@reddit
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Skullio1@reddit
Can't believe they made Helen Turkish and Achilles Slovenian smh 😔
ButterflyFun7507@reddit
How can you say that Turks are both Greek and black? Considering that most Turks today have inherited genes from Anatolian peoples, we can assume they mostly have olive skin. Furthermore, it's quite comical that Greeks see themselves as having skin as light as Russians, Swedes, and Norwegians. Greece has the lowest percentage of light-skinned people in Europe, below 10%, so stop seeing yourselves as marble white, my friend.
Skullio1@reddit
Its a joke bruh, its from the Karaboğa meme, check out r/balkans_irl and you'll get it.
Henery007@reddit
This is fucking disgraceful. People need to watch Troy and see what real directors do and cast the right people.. Not going to watch this movie now..
Henery007@reddit
Like what the hell is going on? They’re making a girl play achilles? What the actual fuck is going on.
LogicalSprinkles@reddit
I still can't figure out if this is just a meme or for real. And Achilles is the bigger problem here - surely such a great warrior was more athletic.
DCay1000@reddit
Cuz we know that ancient Greek women were black
Any_Inspector_5478@reddit
It is the most american thing to do. Take other people's culture, put afrocentrism front and center, and then call everyone a bigot when they have a problem with it.
Bardosaurus@reddit
I’m too employed to give a fuck about it. Idk man good for them?
SiofraRiver@reddit
Yeah, this culture war bullshit is for losers.
Bardosaurus@reddit
Just more and more division created between us.
FlatulentSon@reddit
Who is creating the division?
Bardosaurus@reddit
Prolly same people who created the alt right movement. Epstein and co
Storko2002@reddit
Not really I think one of the reason Trump have been elected was due to wokism, I’m far from being against of feminism, equality, etc… And politically i’m toward socialism with the benefit of a capitalism under control but all those peoples claiming to embrace the woke culture and showing it in a provocative way gave bullets to his narrative, don’t know if he would be president if the woke culture had not been so widespread in the entertainment industry and media. For example I understand the impact of seeing a movie or series you love being destroyed by those irritant « false culture warrior thinking they’re MLK» even if personally it make no difference for who I will vote, but for some it is a reason. I still hate what became of Dr. Who. For me the woke culture was a phase in cultural continuity, for a lot of other peoples it was the enemy to destroy.
PIuto@reddit
You using the word “wokism” is literally the product of Epstein and co. Don’t fall for the manufactured culture war, the only was we need to focus on is class war.
Storko2002@reddit
Uh you’ve proof of that ?
PIuto@reddit
I do.
Storko2002@reddit
Are you sure it’s the right link ? This article just says that Epstein had link with the funder of 4chan. Don’t really understand the link with the wokism. He talk more of his link to the far right.
Bardosaurus@reddit
Preach!!!
Little-Stage1948@reddit
The only think weak about it is, Achilles looking like a little twink. I could careless if they were trans, like if the chick who played Brienne of Tarth (Gwendoline Christie) was picked to play the role, it would be believable.
It's like having Timothée Chalamet play Achilles.
Bardosaurus@reddit
Who says Achilles wasn’t a little twink lol. We don’t have pics of him. Also, why does it matter? Do you find strong, muscular man attractive and want to watch them all your screen?
Little-Stage1948@reddit
Not everything is sexual and you sound ridiculous trying to imply that
Even if that were the case, would that make my opinion worth less?
As a matter of fact, it's kind of pathetic, you try dunking on me because of sexuality. Do you have something against gay people, that you think I'd be insulted by being called gay?
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A description of Achilles
Elliot page fit the mold of unmatched strength to you?
What about height? I know Nolan's going with some different actors but Is elliot gonna be surrounded by a bunch of midgets?
AzdajaAquillina@reddit
That was my reaction....truly do not care.
celBanat@reddit
Same. I really don't give a shit. I will watch the movie and judge their casting based on their performance.
Born-Ad8034@reddit
This is a fucking disgrace and insult to Greek culture
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Whilst I agree there is apart me that thinks can't the Greeks just make a proper adaption themselves.
Born-Ad8034@reddit
The Greeks don't have the cultural influence or finance or reach of the American film industry
Individual_Formal130@reddit
That's true. Who don't you like Lupita or Elliot page, or the whole cast ?
Born-Ad8034@reddit
Honestly the entire cast. It just seems so intentionally bland and insulting and I hate to use this term but 'woke' for the sake of being so. I have the same gripes with Troy to some extent but that whole movie seems to have a more enriched Mediterranean aesthetic. And Brad Pitts beauty transcends ethnicity
PIuto@reddit
So Pitt is ok but Nyongo isn’t? Beauty is the most subjective thing ever.
PastEagle8722@reddit
This whole thread is so funny but this particular comment is especially so. White Australian thinks a white actor's beauty transcends ethnicities but the black actress' doesn't. Who made him the authority to decide that? And ofcourse he came to that conclusion...
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Yeh I get your point but it is more of fantasy that isn't trying to be historically relevant. It's more of a themed movie. It's like Bridgerton that has races who would have never been upper class Brits in that time period playing those roles, so long as it's more fantasy it's ok but if it's a deadset historical movie or series I wonder why the cast is so diverse.
El_chaplo@reddit
I do agree in the finance part, but you don't need to spend millions upon millions like in Hollywood just to make a good movie. Imo if they really made movie or a series alot of people would pay good money to watch it.
Born-Ad8034@reddit
I disagree, I think people watch things with name value or easy access as opposed to actual quality. A greek production would be good, I'm sure, but I don't think it'll be internatially appreciated outside of greece
No_Aesthetic@reddit
If the ancient Greeks made it there would be a lot more gay sex
RogerSimonsson@reddit
Zeus sure didn't discriminate...
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Sexy, stupid Zeus!
RogerSimonsson@reddit
"I'm a beautiful God, your puny consent means nothing"
ImportantResponse0@reddit
What is the problem?
I would rather more gays sex than a bunch of amateur looking actors and actresses
Little-Stage1948@reddit
Not sure why you're downvoted for this the ancient Greece was gay as fuck.
Hell the vaunted Spartans would assign a kid to a young adult to "mentor". Then they were defeated by an all male unit of special forces who were gay & married to eachother. The Sacred Band of Thebes
Slow-Squirrel-2799@reddit
It's like you're forcing diversity. It breaks from the world immersion. But NGL I'd get behind anok yai as the woman wars have been fought over.
Grand_Strategy_529@reddit
Well she is a beautiful woman and the object of affection…. Troy on the other hand needs a dick double.
dobar_dan_@reddit
That twink playing Achilles lmao
Hopefully he gets buff for the movie but I can't help but laugh.
As fro Lupita that's just artistic liberty vs historical accuracy. You pick a side, but I don't care enough.
Inevitable-Half5547@reddit
Yo are those his real abs or is there a new plastic surgery out?
philmore-graves@reddit
Havent seen much in the previews, but I enjoy chris Nolan's movies typically. I see exactly the commentary I expected to see of "this outrageous" for skin color/wokeness/lack of wokeness/hate speech (I mean i wish I coulda done a polymarket bet on what exact things id read bc im batting 1000 rn). But im just curious to see it. Some good actors in it, I think a great director, we shall see what type of movie it aims to, be and see if I can enjoy from any different perspectives
AssSpelunker69@reddit
LMAO Jesus Christ, is Paige playing a 13 y/o of Achilles in a flashback? Because that's what they look like.
holidaybiscuits@reddit
This has got to be a troll post.
Mako2401@reddit
Just remember, someone raised a fleet and went to war for Helen. Let that sink in. Someone started a war for Helen.
FrogInAShoe@reddit
I mean the actress is a baddie
avatarjak@reddit
I mean I would start a war for this. Lol
Lupita’s a good actress and carries herself very regally. Big thing tho is that it hasn’t been confirmed that she is playing Helen.
MoneyLaunderX@reddit
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Woke and queer or black are different.
And this is clearly woke.
If it would have been queer or black no one would have had a problem.
MoneyLaunderX@reddit
It isn’t. Raceswapping is a part of woke.
FrogInAShoe@reddit
Historically it's been the other way around
ImportantResponse0@reddit
This is what I ment.
Woke:old recycled story now with minorities instead of majorities.
Queer, black minority based: original stories that makes all the sense to be centred on black or queer or that minority.
That is the difference.
And this is why woke never wins.
Because even minorities deserves a story about them
No_Aesthetic@reddit
aka that good shit
Novel-Ad4077@reddit
More like the dogshit
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Whole planet is diverse, the world is woke
Novel-Ad4077@reddit
That's certainly a statement that exists. The Arabic countries in particular are so woke that they throw gay people off roofs. Truly progressive!
No_Aesthetic@reddit
And yet both exist on the same woke planet! Almost like the writers (diverse cast of gods and *gasp* goddesses) are trying to force it down everyone's throats!
PuritySoil@reddit
Peak white erasure, as per usual from Hollywood
TsortsAleksatr@reddit
Americans are so up their own ass they are capable of adapting some US Civil War battle by making the Confederates racially diverse.
jhonnytheyank@reddit
No. Only heroes diverse. Villains all white cis het.
TsortsAleksatr@reddit
Counterpoint:
nemaminspiracije1@reddit
Who is their leader?
FrogInAShoe@reddit
Freddie Mercury
jhonnytheyank@reddit
White boy mc Caucasian.
a-3ter@reddit
When are they going to make a Japanese historical drama with black ninjas? Cuz this is same level of stupidity
SuitableStudio419@reddit
They already did a game like this: Assasins Creed Shadows featuring a black Samurai protagonist lol. Things have gotten comically ridiculous
Icy_Praline_1297@reddit
That was based on a real guy tho wasn't it??
FrogInAShoe@reddit
Yes
Last_External_9861@reddit
the black samurai was a real person (yosuke)
Additional-Dingo4113@reddit
Ok read some history. I was in Japan last month and there are detailed histories of black samurai in the museums. Just as there were black tudor courtiers in England.
GentlePony@reddit
They already did Ghost in the Shell with with ScarJo
SkipEyechild@reddit
Don't care about the casting. Care about whether it is good and whether the mix is actually intelligible.
Amaechi_MK_0501@reddit
I don’t care about Helen of Troy but ACHILLES?!!!! I will wait for it to go on streaming and add to my watchlist
No-Recover-9148@reddit
All the male actors that were probably lining up to play Achilles, and you chose a female actor who plays at being male. It's a sure fire way to make sure your movie flops. Hollywood will repeatedly be forced to learn the same lesson, because they continue to make the same error. When you make the casting choices no one wants to see, no one will watch your movie. The small demographic you cater to is not enough to make your movie successful, or even profitable.
Suitable-Earth-924@reddit
I didn’t know Achilles was a woman.
zombiemasterxxxxx@reddit
I just dont care. I think getting angry at the historical accuracy of the actors' races is a pretty pathetic and moot argument when Batamemnon is in the movie.
I, for one, think seeing historically accurate Mycenean or even just Classical Greek armor would be fantastic to see. I would also like for the characters to be mythologically accurate but, really, none of that is within the scope of the movie so there's no point in worrying about it.
Barn8614@reddit
He wants to make money, doesnt he? Like, this a joke, right?
pennylane1017@reddit
Exact roles haven't been officially confirmed. But Lupita Nyong'o as Helen? HELL YES. The first time I saw her in that blue dress winning an Oscar for 12 Years a Slave, I was like, "HOLY MOLY THAT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HUMAN I HAVE EVER SEEN." She's absolutely stunning in a truly unique way that someone like Helen of Troy would have to be.
I like Elliot Page, but I'll only buy it if he can pull off "epic warrior." Achilles can be many things, but he needs to kick ass.
Frozen_Tyrant@reddit
GrimThe13th@reddit
Isn't Helen supposed to be beautiful beyond belief and Achilles tall, blond and athletic?
byronXTREME@reddit
Trash
Fragrant_Bug_9124@reddit
I cannot fathom what exaclty is going though a greek's person head when they saw this abomination being formed, they can have their entire culture and history subverted like this, and theres not a single Greek actor or actress in this, what a fuckin joke.
A black african woman as helen of troy? A 5 foot 2, 90 pounds, little sad boy as Achilles?? this is beyond parody.
qkymuky@reddit
you mean ellen page? thats a girl, achilles was a guy. what the fuck?
notnezu@reddit
They're just never gonna cast Greeks for anything are they
Complex_Rule_797@reddit
No wonder almost every series, and film is flopping.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean when you force a minority to watch a series/movie where they clearly don't belong and the majority to watch how characters that make no sense exists
Complex_Rule_797@reddit
God forbid that we should actually see a white couple on screen, and white characters in stories, and in comics should be played by white actors, we dont need to conform to them.
ExpensiveAnt99@reddit
Hollywood went full retard again
hookedonopium@reddit
Both are excellent established actors that are known for their performances, so I believe Nolan will deliver an excellent movie experience nontheless. And to anybody that expends copious amounts of energy over details of a literal imaginary story with giants and mermaids needs to seriously rethink their life choices.
NuclearDisaster5@reddit
The casting is horrible. You can say what you want, but once again... casting - brutaly wrong.
hookedonopium@reddit
Wether you like the casting or not is impertinent to the way the movie is gonna look, like I said, I believe they're going to give a good performance nevertheless and Nolan's spin at the story is something I look forward to. Now if that's not your taste I can surely understand, but I find that calling the casting horrible without even the movie being out is a little hasty, to say the least. More power to you anyway. Also the Snape thing is a completely different story, that's just a lame attempt at damage control over JK Rowling's incessant ramblings over Twitter.
AlbyCervitaur@reddit
I want to make a movie about african legends and put all whites actors with long blonde hairs and blue eyes.
Or one about romans, but they are all asians.
Connect_You_5837@reddit
It is hard to imagine someone more away from the history role models
baranello_pl@reddit
Bonkers.
398409columbia@reddit
Helen of Troy is supposed to be the most beautiful woman in the world. Enough said.
eloquent_owl@reddit
I don’t care whatsoever what skin color an actor who gets cast in movie roles has. It’s entertainment and not for historical accuracy.
Marizemid10371@reddit
Can't wait for the movie where the role of Martin Luther King shall be depicted by a white actor. It's just entertainment, right???
JuniorLog2785@reddit
Someone should call RDJ…he already slayed once, why not do it again.
JuniorLog2785@reddit
Im sure if the titanic was a sailboat it would have been just as good of a movie since it’s not for historical accuracy?
eloquent_owl@reddit
What does the size of the boat have to do with skin color of actors.
Purple_Ambassador_33@reddit
Everyone on here blaming Americans when Americans hate this shit too. Take it up with the liberals in Hollywood that love ruining movies for the sake of DEI even though it hasn't worked once in the past decade
MoDa65@reddit
I want a movie about Christopher Columbus played by a native American. And native Americans being protrayed by blacks Asians and whites
PeterTheBoredOne@reddit
He is ACHILLES?! Okay, I knew Elliot Page was gonna be in this movie, but Achilles? I am all about diversity, but I reaaally don’t think he has the kind of skills to pull it off, though in all honesty, I haven’t been keeping up with anything he has been in recently, so we’ll just have to see.
As for Nyong’o, I have mixed feelings. The race-swap is a little strange, obviously, but I’m used to it by now. It’s America. Plus, as long as she portrays her well, I think it will be fine, though I haven’t really seen her in anything I remember, so can’t really comment on her acting. We’ll just have to see, I guess
Krystalstardust@reddit
Nobody knows who Paige is playing. There’s just guesses.
Dazzling_Stretch_474@reddit
I would have never chosen someone so thin for the role of Achilles 😂 not very good casting in my opinion...
Krystalstardust@reddit
Very doubtful Paige is actually Achilles. It’s a rage bait rumor.
Krystalstardust@reddit
I think these rumors are just made to rage bait people. Most likely they are playing neither of those characters.
TheScarletPhoenix_@reddit
nmadrian@reddit
that’s reverse racism. as for elliot playing achilles, that’s reverse sexism.
if it’s confirmed, i’ll skip it.
Snoo-37144@reddit
They did it with the next Narnia film as well. How does a filmmaker justify casting a female for the role/voice of Aslan??? Meryl Streep is damn sure NOT putting out a "deep and booming" voice as Aslan's voice was regularly described.
HybridThoughts@reddit
Yikes
Emergency-River-7696@reddit
So woke no one is watching this garbage history woke washing
SSCMaster@reddit
She is 1. Not the right ethnicity to play Helen of Troy, who we know is not a mythical figure because we actually found Troy, its real history. Now of course there are mythical elements to the odyssey, but we know that there is a real story behind it. Helen was Greek. 2. Regardless of point 1, she is nowhere NEAR attractive enough to play Helen of Troy, the face who launched 1000 ships. Like no, just not even close. You needed to find an 11/10 to play this women and you found a 6.
Original-Car9756@reddit
Honestly it should have been Greeks playing the role of Greeks even if they are not famous actors and which case sometimes it may even be better, you know people would be tearing their clothes in rage if Scarlett Johansson played the queen of Ethiopia in any movie. I don't care about artistic renderings I just want to see a movie that's true to form in relation to the story like definitely don't have odysseus's son being one of the suitors or turn The sirens that assail his boat as being swimming cyclops or any other such nonsense.
loveloet@reddit
Are these children?
Spare-Web-7026@reddit
At this point holly wood is portraying a very dangerous path where they angle to destroy written mythology and documented history all in the purpose of erasing white/caucasian history. You can see it as devilish/satanic but what i see is a threat that needs to be eliminated. It's a history we created/endured/acted in, either proud or ashamed doesn't mean they should be able to take take take and destroy you over it. In this regards they are portraying the caucassian/indigenous as bad and black/gay/trans as good. F boycotting just eliminate those who are accepting these pieces to be casted/released.
CT-50@reddit
What’s up with these HUGE directors recycling the same god damn actors in every movie they make?
merlinaaa@reddit
Don't really care about it. There aren't any Mediterranean actors (as far as I know) casted, so it's not like Matt Damon as Odysseus is any less bizarre.
Tropicalfisher@reddit
What is with this person and always showing off the fake abs when no one asked
Alpha_Apeiron@reddit
This is a joke, right?
I_skander@reddit
The whole thing looks trash, without even hating on any particular actor. Including the casting. If you want to switch things up so much, just do a retelling of the odyssey in a different setting or something.
bastian_lucero@reddit
Cool 😎
EmmyvdH@reddit
Since she is breathtakingly beautiful, why not. Helen was portrayed as the most beautiful woman. And it is a story, depends how it is told.
MauroElLobo_7785@reddit
Que helena debería parecer Griega , y que Aquiles debe ser un varón . No se qué más decir .
Redararis@reddit
what an artistically bankrupt era. They create controversy, they grab the money and they leave behind a turd. Do it like the last jedi.
AromaticZebra906@reddit
these two are very accomplished actors.
MACO-Operator@reddit
They aren’t grabbing anything. They actually lose money. Hundreds of millions for each such bomb, nobody’s watching that garbage. But somehow, Hollywood is trapped with those woke writers, who infiltrated the highest ranks in there. I have no idea why, maybe it’s a new trend among Hollywood executives to see which film company loses the most money in the quickest and dumbest way possible.
Fun-Barracuda1650@reddit
They do it to destroy cultures and cultural stories. So now when you Google the odyssey your not learning about the actual tale from Homer, but instead this garbage. Same for ALOT of different media and other things.
Ok-Priority253@reddit
Exactly this, pure controversy and money grab. Art is an industry. It's sad to see that most people seem to at least half-believe it's because of some Jewish conspiracy to put minorities into white people roles despite literally no one liking it, instead of the very obvious answer.
neo_genocid_gen@reddit
Not a fan of an orange pattern, but everything _oke turns to _hit. The world is craving for the spectacle like Troy but now is the qustion how long will any of us endure in theatres..?
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Is like woke vs queer or about black people or whatever minority.
And before I didn't seem it but now I tend to agree.
Dante and Ari discovers the secret of the universe was a love story it that wasn't woke because it was centred on a gay relationship.
Jagged Minded wasn't woke, maybe was underaged but was a original story, interesting concept that was centred possible on personal experience of a lesbian.(I don't know exactly but it felt like that).
When I Saw The Tv Glowing was a story about what the director feels as a trans person, it was a personal story.
Emergency was a story about a black person and his feelings about calling 911.
The blackening was a funny horror movie that was playing with the concept of internal racism.
Black Heat was clearly a movie made for black people.
Nimona was maybe a little queer having a gay couple and being made by a gender non conforming person.
The idea is there are people who really do art about and with the minorities and then there are movies that include a minority but that minority plays a majority and is just for decor.
We need more people to actually try to make movies about and with minorities and not to use a minority as a marketing tool.
FatallyFatCat@reddit
People are gonna see the posters, laugh because it's so riddiculous and asume it has to be an AI prank.
Who is going to pay to watch this? Who was this made for? Who is the target audience? One of life great mysteries.
flomon1@reddit
Oh nice! The teenage years of Achilles,before he got buff
WiIIv91@reddit
Lol
WillingTown8082@reddit
Her name is Ellen Page and that's a fucking woman trying to play a legendary male warrior Achilles. Hollywood is trash.
Big-Chance5123@reddit
This movie gonna flop so hard it’s gonna make Lebrons flops look legit
js_garica@reddit
Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
Acrobatic-Music-3061@reddit
Boycott that shit 😂
HantoKawamura@reddit
Can't wait for a hypothetical movie where the Mediterranean-looking actress plays African goddess and Joe Black as Marie Antoinette 😍
Senior_Coyote_9437@reddit
Did you complain this much when Andromeda was played by a white woman in Clash of the Titans and Wrath of the Titans?
Ahun_@reddit
At the same time we got Shogun with its all Japanese characters and the half a dozen Europeans at the time in Japan.
And some American idiot complained there was not enough black representation.
Senior_Coyote_9437@reddit
Really? Who? And even if you aren't lying, how does one idiot make up an entire race?
HantoKawamura@reddit
Because it's 2026, not 2010 nor 2012, let bygones be bygones. But we're still getting some shit (with blackwashing instead of the whitewashing, both of which are cringey) in the movie about ancient Mediterranean, myths and half-baked real historical events.
Senior_Coyote_9437@reddit
Lol. Excuses, excuses.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
You can always watch John Wayne as Ghengiz Khan.
Individual_Formal130@reddit
A movie made 60 years ago.
PointOfViewGunner@reddit
2012 - Ben Affleck played a Mexican American in Fargo.
2013 - Johnny Depp played a Native American in The Lone Ranger.
2014 - Christian Bale played the Moses in Exodus: Gods and Kings.
2015 - Juliette Binoche played a Chilean in The 33.
2016 - Basically the whole European cast playing Egyptian gods?
I could keep on going...
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Mexico was colonized by the Spanish so Affleck could pass as Spanish although it was a bad pick.
Johnny Depp looks native, all natives are part white.
Egyptians gods should have had Egyptians playing those roles .absolutely.
Now look at any period piece set in Europe and look at the characters. Theres a clear And obvious point to be made that isn't Ben Affleck playing a Mexican or Johnny Depp playing fictional characters these are legit modern historical characters played by Africans, Indians etc etc.
PointOfViewGunner@reddit
You're basically trying to whitewash whitewashing in recent movies as it happened to go against your earlier point. Amazing inception...
Individual_Formal130@reddit
No I am not I am saying there are times when other groups can play certain groups without it being to controversial. Huge race swaps on historical figures yes you read that historical not fictional ar when things get a bit much.
You got a spine mate or is being walked all over a trait of the leftist types ??
Withering_to_Death@reddit
Are you saying only ethnic Greeks should be playing in the movie?
PointOfViewGunner@reddit
The challenge was seeing white actors playing non-white roles in recent movies. There are plenty of modern examples.
Withering_to_Death@reddit
You're doing "whataboutism." I don't think you have to be Jewish to play a Jew, or gay to play a gay character, or a gay actor playing a cis character. After all, it's called "acting." However, a white or Asian actor shouldn't be playing a poc character (if the character is historical or canonically black in the story) But it's all just Hollywood BuSiness, and the most vocal "critics" are the grifters that pretend they didn't like the film because of the "script and cinematography", not because misogyny, bigotry and racism! The whole discourse is toxic with the waters so muddied, I had to think twice how to formulate my criticism of the Hollywood film industry and their hypocrisy, to not get confused as some "Adrenachrome/Satanic sacrifices" nutjob!
PointOfViewGunner@reddit
I was responding to whataboutism if you cared to read...
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Yep. And no one gave a f. But, you remember the black mermaid? Many, many racists came out of that closet.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
So? You are being bothered about casting choice in a movie abouth a myth from 3k years ago. I's not a documentary.
Individual_Formal130@reddit
I'm not bothered. You guys over exaggerate with your what aboutisms. Marco Polo had an East Asian playing Ghengis Khan.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
And I'm not bothered with the Odysseus casting. Win-win.
sinkpisser1200@reddit
Partial myth, partial historic. And its a greek book about greek people. It just doesnt make sense
RKaji@reddit
Myths are part history, part fantasy and part propaganda. No need to add the "partial historic"
sinkpisser1200@reddit
There are many types of myths, and this one is set in a historic setting with historic places. Its just distracting to have such a bad casting in a movie.
ResidentOwl1@reddit
Not the same thing. This is America shoving their culture war bullshit down everyone’s throats and disrespecting Greek culture.
Withering_to_Death@reddit
"Not the same thing. This is America ~~shoving their~~ culture war bullshit ~~down everyone’s throats and~~ disrespecting Greek culture."
grsharkgamer@reddit
Yes thank you
2ndClass_CitizenInEU@reddit
The casting sucks if they want accuracy but no one is shoving it down anyone's throat.
Is it meant to be a propaganda to some/most of those watching? Maybe.
Is it mandatory that everyone should watch it and that those whatching it shold take for truth? No.
It's a piece of media that anyone can decide if they want to pay in order to watch it.
Earthbound98@reddit
Okay im gonna make black panther with only a white cast
Ok_Win8049@reddit
The difference is, Wayne playing the role happened at the time where it was very socially acceptable to be racist with little to no care about being insensitive in general. Tbh, I don't like this modern discourse about these casting choices, because it devolves into legit racist tirades. But at the same time, pretending that casting a black actress to play Helen is a bit on the nose. It's a myth, but a myth still based on ancient Greece. It's not fiction like Batman, where they casted Jeffrey Wright to play Jim Gordon.
VascoDaSigma@reddit
Terry Crews can act any white person, I do not mind. Dzsingisz kán? Awesome. Attila hun király? Super. I. Istvan? Árpád… all the way to Snow White and Anna Frank.
For the rest of them? Nope. Just… start screaming CULTURAL APPROPRIATION
basis-tranquilitatis@reddit
Everyone knows Árpád was Italian! 😉
VascoDaSigma@reddit
Mayhaps, mayhaps… but… truth is… Árpád was Serb who came to Pannonia when they took Egypt from them, but we are simply not ready for that talk.
Orbit1883@reddit
upvote for president Camacho in every mayor role
Mucklord1453@reddit
Maxx Von Syndow playing Ming the Merciless gets a pass.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Always. He was terrifying.
Dry_Razzmatazz69@reddit
Equally stupid :)))
merdeauxfraises@reddit
And we supposedly should have evolved since the 60's but here we are.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Well, the US of A has regessed to mid 1800's...
LesSharp987987@reddit
According to who? Things you read online and didn't experience in person?
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
I just take a look at the current administration and remember that Orange Shits-his-pants-Pedo was elected for a second time. How's the 8th week of a 4 week war that you won in the 1st week going?
LesSharp987987@reddit
How is being a completely insignificant country that nobody cares about going? And, btw, the average white Croatian is probably more racist than the average white American.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Laughs in free healthcare and 24+ days of paid PTO. Also, we have no love in a small boat beers.
LesSharp987987@reddit
Ok. And the GDP per capita of Croatia is significantly lower than that of Mississippi, the poorest state in the USA. So even after paying for healthcare, we have more left over. I have no clue what a small boat beer is. Sounds like you get all your "knowledge" of the world from lefties on Reddit.
Substantial-One1934@reddit
People we are talking about producers choice of characters for a movie,not for politics and economy.
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Who cares? I have no mortgage, the car is paid off. I do get paid less but also my mothly costs are much lower for an arguably better overall standard of living. I get more bang for buck. I have almost zero chances to be assaulted or shot in the streets, and I can get my coffe and groceries without full body armor or encountering Meal Team Six LARPERs. Love in a small boat beer = fkng close to water. Like Bud lite.
stiggy_01@reddit
There is nothing said online that points otherwise. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...
LesSharp987987@reddit
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Go visit there if you're so sure. Truth is, you'll never allow your opinion to be changed. You'd just surround yourself with other lefties in your echo chamber.
stiggy_01@reddit
I literally have no need to do that, I work with Americans, mostly blue collar guys, more or less all of them conservatives, and I am conservative. None of the poor souls have anything positive to say about their homeland. Would rather go to Gulag than that shithole. I'd like to visit Oregon for nature, fuck everything else over there.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Last year I worked for an American company remotely, 7/10 Americans living in the USA, all over as they were remote as well. Most of them from political spaces that were not conservative. They also have nothing good to say for their country. The whole place has gone to shit and only its millionnaires and billionnaires are happy.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
So true and sad.
Taqqer00@reddit
And Brad Pitt as Achilles
ConyNT@reddit
I the Iliad, Achilles is depicted as exceptionally handsome, tall, and strong, with long, light-colored (tawny, blond, or auburn) hair, often described with the term xanthēs.
So the whoever casted Brad Pitt remained faithful to the book.
Buffalo-Actual@reddit
What other ethnic actor was available to play that role at that time?
Proud-Ad-5206@reddit
Bata Živojinović ;-) Fabijan Šovagović was not interested.
Buffalo-Actual@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Leather-Substance-39@reddit
That movie was ahead of its time, it seems.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Joe Black as Marie Antoinette?
Is that supposed to be a reference to Eliot?
Because he is a man.
HantoKawamura@reddit
Elliot looks nothing like a tall, muscular half-god superb warrior with golden hair and powerful presence lol.
He could play Ganymede at best, but too old for that role.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Half God? Muscular? Tall(if necessary)? Superb warrior? Golden hair(They can paint their hair)? And powerful presence?
Let's do 5? Silvestre Stallone (not tall enough maybe, if he still plays) Arnold Schwarzenegger (if he still plays) Keanu Reeves (possible) Owen Wilson(kinda) Alexander Skarsgård (could be )
So yes Nolan is not great at casting people.
bobby_shotgun@reddit
Waiting for Meryl Streep to play Harriett Tubman.
Informal_Golf8867@reddit
No fucking way Ellen Page is playing Achilles .
MarcMurray92@reddit
Elliot.
no00dle@reddit
Whoever is in charge of hollywood rn needs to diversify the actor pool and get some historically accurate representation of those roles
ginger-tiger108@reddit
Ha ha how about they cast benedict cumberbatch as Shaka zulu or melissa mccarthy as Nelson Mandela since they like colourblind casting so much?
Mathihtam@reddit
Neither of these characters are important in the odyssey. Anyone who is angry about this casting (if it’s true) is wasting their energy on a non-issue.
OgichiGame@reddit
Probably a DOA movie Elliot is like 90 lbs and only 5'1, who's gonna believe that's Achilles. That is just a terrible casting choice
Sir-Valiant777@reddit
Its stupid woke bs thats what it is
Life-Ad3383@reddit
Feel like that’s a remarkably shit casting. This isn’t a voice acting gig. You’d think they’d choose actors that looked you know something resembling Greek.
pdxsilverguy@reddit
This is the best version of Helen of Troy. Better than the Brad Pitt version imho. Shows Paris in a totally different light. Full movie is free on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBSLzOLgOHI
yourgmchandler@reddit
Here are my thoughts: they have two roles. They cast two actors. Go watch the movie and discuss their performances.
Orugryphon@reddit
Yes to Lupita hell no to Elliot page.. also rage bait to use that particular photo of Lupita. She is beautiful
SherbertNearby5723@reddit
Mehmood6647@reddit
Can't wait to pirate this shit.
Refused-Recruit3026@reddit
Unironically, placing actors of African descent into roles of movies derived from stories only originating from Western mythology and never allowing them to star in movies that depict stories of various African mythologies is a form of acculturation that is more racially demeaning than not casting them into these "white roles" at all
JonnieTaiPei@reddit
Black people are more close to spartan people than withe.
CzarItalian@reddit
The film studio basically threw her to the wolves, they cast her in the role because they knew it would generate controversy and free publicity, and then abandoned her to get caught in the middle of this silly fight between the studio and the client, if the film fails, they'll probably Will say it was because of racism, so they don't have to admit the mistakes, and all it cost was throwing that actress under the bus.
yuroooo00@reddit
The casting was his revenge arc when WB removed him as director of Troy.
Automatic-Plenty3396@reddit
Not a face that could launch a thousand ships in the bunch. Hard pass on this ridiculous casting. To go from 'buff' Brad Pitt, to a pip squeak trans? Whomever is in charge of casting needs to find an optometrist.
Aionion@reddit
It isn't even the alleged cast. It's an internet hoax. Neither are playing either character.
Tall_Metal615@reddit
It appears I will be saving money. 👍😎
Evening_Ether2470@reddit
Judging a film by a cast just shows peak insecurity you all not ready to admit. Like white people have played non white characters all the time, this movie doesn't have a single greek actor but no that's not your problem, it's seeing a black woman as a minor character and a skinny guy as Achilles, that's where you draw the line....
Aggravating-Fuel3425@reddit
Love it! The fashs are having a meltdown:)
Sure-Zookeepergame27@reddit
I thought this was a joke? I'm still not sure .. 🤔🤔
Clancy_Moped_1066@reddit
I don't care. Actors are paid to play roles. But, at 5 foot and 120 lbs soaking wet, Elliott Page does not make a convincing Achilles.
Obadiah_Plainman@reddit
Horrible casting and horrid storytelling. Achilles isn’t even IN the Odyssey, that’s the Iliad. I’m sure this whole thing is going to be another erasure of classicism.
AdmirableBed8213@reddit
Lupita as Helen is fine, because it's believable based purely on looks, regardless of race.
Elliot as the mighty demigod and hero Achilles? Not so much...
Affectionate_Web4136@reddit
This is Zionist agenda . The painter got sick of it
gonja_@reddit
anonymouse_loner@reddit
Attention seeking
sexxycash@reddit
Lupita is a great actress I’m sure she will do fine. Ellen I haven’t seen anything to make me think he would do bad but I have watched many of his movies.
weirdheiny@reddit
Most of the cast aren’t Greek, Italian or Turkish, so it seems silly to pull Lupita or Elliot up specifically. They’re actors who are acting out a fictitious story with magic, gods and cyclopses so I’m hard pressed to care that one actor in the sea of pasty men is a little less accurate to the story because he used to have tits.
Either_Ad_4017@reddit
Historical inaccurate
Ok_Tip8918@reddit
First of all, you used a bad picture of her. Lupita is incredibly beautiful. We've seen a bunch of movies where Helen of Troy is white and blonde, I think it's cool that they're eschewing race and reinterpreting it for a modern DIVERSE world.
This will mean something to a lot of little black girls who watch it and see someone who looks like them. And before you go off about "why can't they make African movies instead of casting black people in white roles" – hello, those stories and movies don't get the budget that a Christopher Nolan movie would get. Hollywood is all about turning a profit. This is really the only chance that POC can get representation on a big screen in a powerful, meaningful and impactful way.
If you don't like it, go watch something from the 80s, everyone is white. The world has changed, get with the times.
Bartjeking-@reddit
Another flop ig
rasecude@reddit
Fake
N3BB3Z4R@reddit
Its weird choice and agenda, but when I'll see their actings I will say my opinión.
kyeblue@reddit
worse than the Snow White remake.
aford515@reddit
Its Nolan lol, no way this will be a bad movie. Its useless complaining
GoTReX4@reddit
Anatomically, those pectoral and abdominal muscles are quite strange to me.
True_Cockroach_859@reddit
Not watching that bollocks
Comprehensive-Set557@reddit
You’re kidding?
AssociationNo288@reddit
Now why would we choose this casting fr
kiPrize_Picture9209@reddit
I personally don't mind. If we want to be puritans about it, all actors should be Greek then. It's a myth. The point of the story is to be passed down generation by generation, able to be read and appreciated with the context of which era it's being read in. In ours, we live in a diverse multi-cultural world. It's just a retelling of this ancient story in our terms. It's like reading The Odyssey translated to English or Latin rather than the original pure Greek; a different medium. In other words, who cares?
I think it was put best for Hamilton's diverse cast portraying the Founding Fathers; America then told by America now.
Karamzinova@reddit
I don't care about the cast, I'm more pissed by the fact that the trailer shows some kind of human against gods narrative, of a strong macho estoic dude - while in the original epic poem, Odysseus was smart and cunning, but also loved his mates a lot. We will miss things as the beautiful islands of Calypso and Circe (that made Hermes be in awe when he went to rescue Odysseus in the first), we will miss the importance of the breaking of the tradition of the Xenia in Ithaca, we will miss a lot of colorful and emotive scenes that can be found in the original texts just so Nolan can make some kind of superhero man epic in black and gray.
FerretVisible3146@reddit
Love. Both!
Old-Pin-8440@reddit
I mean Helen was born from an egg after her mom had sex with a God pretending to be a swan. Her being black is the most believable parth.
EatandDie001@reddit
no one is gonna watch it, even those two
Excellent-Ant-406@reddit
I was excited for this movie, now I’m not
Monki01@reddit
You guys still watch movies?
Atyab-Kees-Kabis@reddit
The Greeks were black?!
Ophialacria@reddit
I've rarely seen a bad Nolan film.
I think I'm about to, though.
nemainev@reddit
I think Elliot Page would be an awful achilles, but Nolan has street cred so if that's his vision I'm open to it.
Plenty_Promotion_716@reddit
Problems with blacks and trans? Please, Matt Damon is so old and white to be Odisseo, and no talent can solve the roman-alike Pattinson character or Tom Holland being baby Telemacus at his 30's. And the black batman helmet or the shiny medieval fantasy armors. Or all the monotone phrases of that grey trailer. All in this film is horrible!
yep2237@reddit
Sickening
Passiveresistance@reddit
I’m more annoyed by Elliot page as Achilles. wtf. He looks absolutely nothing like a nearly unkillable Greek warrior hero. His whole body looks like an Achilles heel.
DafneOrlow@reddit
Achilles now has a minge! Welcome to the 21st century. 🙄
caelm_Caranthir@reddit
I'll never understand why Hollywood loves making shitty remakes when there is already a perfectly good movie about the exact same story
GentlePony@reddit
Elliot looks mighty fine tbh
Grievsey13@reddit
Who gives a shit.
If they are good actors and put in a good performance why should I care?
Plenty of women play male characters in various plays throughout history and vice versa.
CraftyRub6965@reddit
Nolan is definitely getting that inclusion money
Every_Income_3425@reddit
I mean achillles should not be someone i feel i can take down in one punch.
GeneticArtist148@reddit
What is the problem?
EmmuASIPD@reddit
Problem with Elliot Page being Achilles isn’t that he’s trans it’s that he’s nothing like the image of Achilles that is portrayed in the odyssey and the Illiad and yes this is only meant to be an interpretation of those stories but it doesn’t change the fact that Elliot doesn’t look anything like the greatest warrior of the Greek army hec he doesn’t even look vaguely Greek, and yeah you can say that Achilles is supposed to look feminine (in the illiad he disguises himself as a woman) but even then idk I’m probably waffling out my arse and the more i write the less i care so yeah
TransportationNo9798@reddit
No. Just no.
unBalancedIm@reddit
Hard skip
leskreq@reddit
No, this is not officially confirmed casting — it’s mostly rumor/speculation that spread online.
IcyExercise908@reddit
didnt nolan learn from the seven dwarves lol this looks ridiculous
NZTamoDalekoCG@reddit
mikegalos@reddit
Yeah but that movie killed almost everyone in the cast and crew...
MoOrion4X@reddit
Movies are art, not history. It's fine if its effective.l story telling. Stop gate-keeping.
VexedRacoon@reddit
All I can think of is the quote:
"Under the right circumstances, a producer could make more money with a flop than he could with a hit"
TerminalizeNausea@reddit
Mark this post as nsfw??? That's a naked woman we are looking at.
Cowliqour@reddit
Nolan is overhyped
Same-Style8951@reddit
dont give a F because wont watch that weirdo shit anyways. So i dont mind. They can also cast Trump and Tate, dont give a damn.
Educational-Hat743@reddit
Just when you thought that it couldn’t get any worse than a latina Snowhite and a black Ariel.
The whole movie industry is in crisis, they have no new stories. They just feel entitled to steal the old ones and sell a dream to the new customers which happens to be non-Caucasian nowadays.
BarbedWire3@reddit
The achilles dude looks like the guy from Openhiemer. Seems like mr Nolan has a type
Hour-Cheesecake6716@reddit
Entendurchfall@reddit
Wait? For real? That is kinda hilarious not gonna lie.
Electrical_Walrus_46@reddit
idk jack shit about the series but the first actor looks pretty
jokersgrin6@reddit
Honestly, I’ve never doubted a Nolan flick more than this one. It’s not just the cast (which all around are weird choices), but it’s the scope of the story of the Odyssey and including the Iliad… feels like another DKR situation where the ambition comes up short and is left on the editing room floor. (Yes, I still enjoyed DKR, but it was the third movie, not a one done of the most famous literary epic of all time.)
Chronomata@reddit
What a joke 😂
Arthurus_Taeg@reddit
All cast.
therese_m@reddit
Elliot page got his body done and I ain’t never seen him button up his shirt since!!
Traditional_Age7989@reddit
🤣🤣🤣
3greenandnored@reddit
Desperately Woke! Historically a joke!
Pure-Contact7322@reddit
Not my style and everything..
I like history and myth that's my problem
wanaseethemrs@reddit
It will flop
Comfortable-Class576@reddit
I see a pattern here, and it is the erasure of the Mediterranean people to portray the characters of their mythology.
Ranger-Einarr@reddit
Americans are just weird like that, chronically online will come and say "BUT IT S JUST MYTHOLOGY LOLLOOLOLOL" like.. its still greek work, there is so.. SOOOOO much interesting African mythology, why race change European work instead of simply doing african work?
BElf1990@reddit
They're not weird, they're stupid, will believe anything and it seems to be spreading. Nobody actually knowd what roles these two will be playing. They're just being farmed for engagement with outrage bait.
No-Fix1423@reddit
her titties is coming back
llTiredSlothll@reddit
Love Christopher Nolan but I will skip this one
palmdieb@reddit
Another DOA DEI hollywood box office bomb.
Sufficient-Rope-9123@reddit
pizdets
Illustrious-Ideal234@reddit
I dont mind the Helen of Troy but men playing as women or vice versa is gross
DefiantKind@reddit
OP will burn in hell
PapadeSchoklender@reddit
Nolan es uno mas del monton, parecio ser algo distinto en la industria, pero sin dudas responde a la industria por sobre el arte.
NoblePaysan@reddit
Lupita Nyong'o is certainly one of the actresses that you would imagine playing "the most beautiful women in the world" and I guess that I imagined somebody taller for Achilles.
willie_Pfister@reddit
That Achilles is one ugly looking dude. Looks like he might have been some hot chick who lost her mind or something.
RevolutionaryLog3631@reddit
that I'm not gonna watch that shit.
Accedsadsa@reddit
Mat Dammon also so mediterranean
PairPrevious4740@reddit
typical American bs.
Rumi7422@reddit
i wont be watching
Whenyouseeit00@reddit
Look, these are both beautiful people but casting them in this role is just ridiculous and I refuse to accept this kind of BS anymore.
Outrageous_Tax1328@reddit
My reaction. Thanks for the warning
Sudden_Wolf1731@reddit
Dei
DILFsFlithySecret@reddit
Mostly negative!
Quick-Camel-1674@reddit
I don't pay my lawyer enough to comment on this post.
Happy_Ad_7515@reddit
REMINDER:
achilles fight the honorable super awsome special prince of ethiopia on page 25. the Illiat has a black royal character in the main plot right there. it has a non hetro normative relationship between achillies and petrocles.
they could have played it 1 too 1 and met the points they wanted
Nekrocow@reddit
I'll wait for the viewers' criticism.
immikdota@reddit
I'll just stay with Epic the miscal instead of the fifthy shades of washed out colors on everything new films adore for some reason
HeQiulin@reddit
I don’t know why but for some reason my image of how Achilles body would look like is on someone like Dave Bautista.
zzoboxx@reddit
if you care about this, your life is too easy and you have too much time on your hands.
MuffinManX413@reddit
This shit is going to bomb hard
KavilusS@reddit
This is literally the first time I heard about that movie.
Vismajor92@reddit
i am so fucking full with this shit
AffectionateAir2272@reddit
AC-Hilles - DC-Valleyes.
xd_antonisvele@reddit
The guy that plays Achilles looks like a woman
Purple_Dimension2875@reddit
Mobile_Blackberry298@reddit
This might be the worst casting choices in history. I'm taking about the whole movie not just these 2.
GreatEmperorAca@reddit
god what a joke lmao
Apart-Criticism6890@reddit
It's as if Nelson Mandela was played by Benedict Cumberbatch.
ardicli2000@reddit
I am sorry for Matt Damon....
doingmyjobhere@reddit
Comments here describe most common racist/transphobic Balkan people. People fighting over mythological characters skin colors and gender.
Come on now, you do know these are just mythological characters right? You can interpret them as insects, as long as you're keeping up the story and showing what the belief was. Don't be so ignorant.
AquaNul@reddit
Is it Greek? Does it have subtitles? No. Could have cast a resurrected Anthony Quinn and I still wouldn't be interested. This is to appeal to people who aren't put off by it.
Open_Tie_525@reddit
It's their movie and they can cast who they want to. Get over it.
Creepy_Definition_28@reddit
Yall this is the ALLEGED cast. NEITHER have been confirmed.
Personally I don’t see Page fitting the Achilles role super well based on his repertoire (though I’m open to other opinions) but I have no problem with Nyong’o as Helen. All Helen really has to be is pretty/otherwise attractive (in a non-physical sense too since looks aren’t enough alone to endear an audience to a character on the big screen) which she DEFINITELY is (yall are blind if you think otherwise like bffr).
Fantastic_Use4462@reddit
"Its not Cultural Appropriation when NonWhites do it to White People11!1"
Senior_Coyote_9437@reddit
Man y'all whiny as hell. Lol.
kyriasia@reddit
Not a single Greek cast member. Wonder what that would be like if they were to make a live action Mulan.
Which they did... and they were all asian. Not white. (as they should)
Next time try Nelson Mandela biography or Mexican revolution film and cast everyone but north Africans/ Mexicans.
The irony is that if that were to happen it would be cancelled in a week. But for some reason, Odysseus having an American accent is just so nice.
It is highly offensive to humiliate a country's heritage and lore like that. Zero respect to the very people who gave the world the story in the first place.
Rough-Beautiful-394@reddit
Are we DEADASSS
Powerful_Deal_7052@reddit
Absolutely ridiculous. It’s like they needed to add diversity for diversity’s sake. I like Lupita. She’s a great actress and she’s beautiful but she’s not right for Helen of Troy. Elliott is completely miscast. I mean Brad Pitt played Achilles on Troy. Elliot looks too scrawny and is frankly, unattractive.
As a Greek person, I’m over having our mythology become a reason for virtue signaling. I know it’s fiction but still there wasn’t anyone that looks like what we imagine the characters available? Let’s add lily white people to a movie based on Asian or Latin American mythology and see how that goes. Every movie doesn’t need to have representation that doesn’t make sense.
shoseta@reddit
I mean what kind of movie is this? Drama? Action ? Cuz there's veeeeery different ranges on some of those actors that I am sure they cannot pull off. Elliot as a might brave mirmidon would be one that fights in action scenes. Now a drama? Sure I can see them there.
AceBean27@reddit
Completely fabricated for rage baiting. It really says a lot that the black woman and trans man are the cause of this uproar, and any of the confirmed odd casting choices.
There is no official casting, we only know they are in it in some role. Someone speculated these two (very minor) roles, and now apparently people are mad about this speculation.
Sir_Dankalot_1582@reddit
Ellen "the thing" Page needs to take a page outta dune. Enter the desert and die.
Practical_End4935@reddit
I’m sure it will flop big!
Knarrenheinz666@reddit
If the performance is good I don't care. Anyone that's complainng - go to your local church and rant about the depiction of the Surferboy Jesus.
Dry-Cranberry-5592@reddit
I don't care even a little bit
SirDoodThe1st@reddit
Based, peak ragebait
Arti-Po@reddit
It's Odyssey. Their screen time is probably around 1-2 minutes or even less. Does it really matter?
Badassscholar@reddit
It's going to be an unwatchable POS. Not just because if the casting, which is horrible already, but because Nolan is absolutely unfit for the material.
erdal94@reddit
The same thing I think about Matt Damon as Odysseus.
Utter gutter trash. I'm tired of American dogs and their complete disregard to culture and heritage.
It's no coincidence that the country who's only culture seems to be McDonald's, Slavery, Vietnam and Lockhead Martin has no respect what so ever for the culture of others. To be able to respect and honor someones culture and indentity, first you would have to have a culture of your own.
I'm tired of Make Hamburger country and their cultural insensitivity and blatant lack of respect.
The Odyssey is a literary cultural monument and heritage of a lving people with a country rich in history and culture.
Their shameless Cultural Imperialism and exploitation of a foreign culture is disgusting.
Their shameless use of the Odyssey as a platform for their own political and cultural battles is disgusting.
Their most most successful foreign export are the bombs and missiles aimed schools and hospitals in the middle East. I'm tired of self-righteous caviar socialists in Hollywood giving themselves a pat on the back for the "monumental" cultural Achievement of casting black actors as Greek Figures while they bomb brown children in the Middle East and commit human right violations at home.
I refuse to be lectured on mortality by White upper middle class american libtards while their country commits unspeakable acts of terror all around the world.
Hairy_Technology_213@reddit
Simmer down, pumpkin. You’ll get frown lines.
erdal94@reddit
I don't think I will. Fuck Make Hamburger country! they are uncultured swine, standing on top a mountain of corses as they prop themselves to lecture everyone else on morality. They can eat a dick.
Hairy_Technology_213@reddit
Poetry.
EmbarrassedSpeech298@reddit
Dead on Arrival
presolol@reddit
i hate hollywood recycling the same actors where they don't fit in
UltraTata@reddit
I don't care as long as te writting and acting is good.
Bolentone@reddit
I don't care
ChazLampost@reddit
Hollywood will do anything, ANYTHING, to not cast a greek person in these roles
Whateverredd@reddit
Yes lets put a scrawny 155cm 'man' to play the 190 cm tall demi god and best warrior in greek mythology. Great.
BidWeary4900@reddit
I dont know, i haven't seen the movie yet
LoadedRain@reddit
Antinous is a pale white male in black FUR and LEATHER in South Europe Island, and that is what they concern?
debtmaxxingg@reddit
Nolan lost his head
Babajji@reddit
Only if Gérard Depardieu plays George Washington and surrenders to the British while speaking Russian the entire time 🤣
matyas94k@reddit
PowerfulNature3352@reddit
Wtf. Does she have ab implants? Those look unnatural af
Electronic_Quail_196@reddit
This is absolutely horrible casting lmao.
Unfair_Cartoonist976@reddit
Anyone defending the cast is a legitimate final stage consumer lobotomite and cannot be reasoned with
PapaDragonHH@reddit
Oh noooo...
Thats the reason they didn't show them in the trailer I saw yesterday. I was so hyped about a new Nolan coming out. Now I'll gladly pass.
DeezNutzzzGotEm@reddit
Ewww no
_and_I_@reddit
Achilles used to play a pregnant teen in a coming of age movie as well.
Truffignol@reddit
Extremely bad choices, but by now we know that Hollywood is a very corrupt place.
So I'm not too fussed, I just won't watch it.
Free_Oil_4939@reddit
I fell like ragebaiting casting decisions are a super valid marketing strategy now.
AttemptFirst6345@reddit
This will be Nolan’s worst movie since Tenet.
hihimorius@reddit
I am not going to even pirate this shit
KendhammerJ@reddit
😂
KendhammerJ@reddit
I love it. Now I can get cast as Kunta Kinte when they remake roots
Hot_Yogurtcloset4360@reddit
Dont get me started. I dont mind trans/gay/black actors at all, i really dont, but in a movie about greeks and our traditions i cant believe that achilles is a 5'1 55kg random dude and helen is a black lady. This is so politically correct and STUPID. Put some actual greek actors there, make it look greek, FOLLOW THE REPRESENTATION OF THE CHARACTERS GIVEN BY THHE BOOK. We had a chance of actually getting a good movie and i can already tell its gonna be ass
gianna_in_hell_as@reddit
Ain't watching that shit even if you pay me.
Aromatic-Lie6119@reddit
Don't care about a trans man playing Achilles, what I do care about is his size. Achilles is the most renowned warrior of the Trojan war, him being physically tiny and twinkish is just kinda absurd imho
Enough-Meaning1514@reddit
Not sure how many Nolan films flopped but if* the story mainly revolves around these characters, this movie will flop quite hard.
*: I say "if" because the movie is based on the interpretation of the original material by a super-feminist writer.
eficent-T7756@reddit
Van a perder millones de dólares para quejarse de todos lo que no les hace gracia y no les paguen boleto de cine.
PositiveMatter6@reddit
Dis som bs.
577564842@reddit
I wouldn't mind at all - if they would drop ridiculous antique costumes and weapons. She looks as good a femme fatal as any and he does have an aura of a keyboard warrior, so if Nolan retells the story in modern metropola this is all fine.
As for Achiles, Brad raised a bar for a ridiculously looking acter (for that particular role) high enough.
satanicpustule@reddit
I'm getting really sick of this. It's been going on for over a year and it's just BS ragebaiting, since neither of the roles have been confirmed.
Jimmy_Barca@reddit
No Greek would kidnap that Helen.
kowalsky9999@reddit
Who cares, it's a movie. Until a few centuries ago, women were not allowed to act in theatrical works, yet nobody is screaming and whining about forbidding women from performing. And don't forget the many depictions of Jesus as blond with blue eyes. What should Italians do then — scream and whine every time Americans or British filmmakers make a movie about the Roman Empire without a single Italian actor?
justbegoodtobugs@reddit
I don't see the big deal either. This isn't a documentary, it's a film. Films don't portray reality very well in basically any department, from the story to the clothing to how people actually looked (believe it or not, peasant women did not do their makeup every morning and worn modern hairstyles).
The storyline in the vast majority of films is not accurate (so many of my favourite books got turned into a film that did not follow the book, where's the outrage for the Phantom of the Opera?), the costumes are also wrong (for example, in Braveheart they wore kilts when in reality kilts only started to be used a few hundreds of years later). You will see a slave woman that was kept in a dungeon for 10 years have perfectly tweezed eyebrows, not a single body hair in sight and some subtle makeup but nobody is bothered.
It's just another Hollywood film. If you don't like it don't watch it, nobody is forcing you. But don't pretend historical accuracy is suddenly very important. If you want to see a more accurate representation watch a documentary, most people watch films like this for entertainment.
hihimorius@reddit
So, call the movie "Ancient Fantasy" not "Odyssey"
GoldenToiletAngel@reddit
the odyssey IS ancient fantasy?
like, that's the title of a fantastical, fictional epos, written by an author.
why would this need to be specifiied, if it's already obvious to anyone who knows anything about it?
seriously, do you guys just not think?
it's more telling that this "historicity" is used as a critique point to mask bigotry, when the source never was meant to portray history.
it's so incredibly transparent, that a: the critics are either extremely dumb, or bigoted.
subsonico@reddit
So don't call jesus , the blond jesus, call him greg instead
ke3408@reddit
Thank you! I think the casting choices are bad but it's a foreign film studio. Literally every country does this. There are like five Italian versions of Call of the Wild without a single American that were entirely filmed in Italy. There are a bunch of Scarlet letters and Little Women remakes in other countries. It's a foreign film for a largely foreign audience.
Save the complaining for when foreign actors are cast in native roles for the domestic film productions and are butchering the accents.
No_Soil_4562@reddit
It's stupid.
xyzodd@reddit
there are too many famous actors in it to be taken seriously
Korin23@reddit
I will keep reminding that this is a Nolan film and I won’t be surprised if it’s some weird alt timeline stuff who know, but every movie he makes is somewhat connected to time so I really would to see the movie before hating on it.
AbdulTheAce@reddit
This post is fake right?
Substratas@reddit (OP)
SpyrosFgs@reddit
Damn. Nolan is doing a ritual for the jews as it seems
Solmyr_@reddit
we know who has bigger D
sub_atomic_@reddit
Fuck the world
Remarkable-Drive5390@reddit
Twinks are in fashion, most AAA movies have them nowadays hahahaa
oldcatgeorge@reddit
There were dark-skinned beauties, take Andromeda, for example. Lupita could be a beautiful Andromeda. Heracles was very dark-skinned (his mother Alcmene had black genes on both lines, from Andromeda and from Epaphus, the son of Io from Zeus, born in Africa). Few realize that Greek heroes had variable looks. But I barely imagine Lupita as Helen of Troy. There was something unusual in her, the elderly men would get up when she’d enter the room. Maybe young Aishwariya Raj had this potential.
MACO-Operator@reddit
It’s called Murrica-washing and people are sick of it. We’ve seen how Cleopatra ended up in the trash bin on cinematic television, but Hollywood still insists on altering historical facts.
Motor-Cut3773@reddit
U going feom Brad Pitt who was a badass in Troy to Ellen page. Wtf
stoned_ileso@reddit
Ellen Page was already a shit actress before the sex change... and well... im not going after the rage bait regarding the black classical greeks.. everyone knows the Aegean is sub saharan
EastofGaston@reddit
Let’s goooo!
ananasiegenjuice@reddit
The movie is a big joke
argbargerino@reddit
Elliot looks great for the role. Really dont care what gender the actor portraying him was born with.
Shoddy-Area-733@reddit
The fact a black woman is playing Helen of Troy isn’t an issue for most people, the issue is that for the most beautiful women in the whole world they have cast a woman that Is NOT even a five of the school of cool
Shoddy-Area-733@reddit
Oh and Ellen Page playing Achilles, that os some seriously funny shit
ZingFreelancer@reddit
Is this an out of season's Aprils fool? Do these idiots try to compete on which movie losses more money or is there some kind of scheme where they earn money by writing off the losses of a movie on taxes or something?
Positive_End_7568@reddit
We should really ask ourselves why this agenda is being brought to us. This is insane, what is worse, people will still pay for it and they will keep doing it.
Additional_Mind_9975@reddit
This is worst casting of all time if you ask me. And Lupita isn't my main concern... I mean, compare Pitt as Achilles, and this little brat? And honestly, I love Matt Damon in almost every movie that he was in but, I just don't see him as a Ulysses. Can't point my finger at exact problem but i don't like it.
Distinct-Beach3581@reddit
I don’t care, it’s not like I was going to watch it
MisterLips123@reddit
If Christopher Nolan said she's the best woman for the job, I'm here for it. The man doesn't make bad movies. Plus she's very fair to behold. I'm here for it.
Good-Run-9661@reddit
The whole casting is wrong, even Odysseas. No Greek actors hired once again.
Repulsive_Counter_79@reddit
They’re casting for shock value not reality. Controversies like this do better in the box office.
pragmatic-opossum-86@reddit
Couldn’t care less. Nobody is forcing me to watch every single movie.
lazypt@reddit
They both look very much Greek...
This representation shit is getting out of control and one of the reasons why people are losing interest in Cinema.
Will we ever have a Wakanda movie with actors from Finland?!?! No, to everyone that would be offensive, not representation and diversity...
Willyzyx@reddit
Helen doesn't bother me as much. Pretty is pretty, which probably was the most important thing about her. I can't believe they did Achilles like that though. Even Brad Pitt was pushing it in Troy (for me).
kondorb@reddit
The beauty that triggered a war and the most powerful warrior of his time.
And on top of that - both are greek.
I wouldn’t even mind the “black” and “has vagina” parts if one was actually beautiful and the other actually looked strong.
🤦♂️
cetrebe@reddit
this is old, it's been happening for years
it's the elite trying to make us mad for some reason
like to spark different hot discussions and forget about important topics or certain files
Harisbaris@reddit
it's brave and beautiful and powrfil
Icy-Selection-8575@reddit
Terrible decisions. And I was excited for this movie too lmao
songoku_cro@reddit
Zealousideal_Bee_837@reddit
I thought you were joking. I had to look it up. Wow.
iambertan@reddit
I consider it a disrespect to black people when they're cast in place of obviously white people. It's like saying "you have no culture and history but we can lend you ours"
classic-sweetheart@reddit
Imagine making a movie on a Japanese folklore and casting a latino woman for Japanese princess and a white man for a samurai because well it isn't real, just a folklore. This entire movie screams exactly this propaganda
petahthehorseisheah@reddit
Valid, since Greeks (and Trojans) are back, while Acilles, who is Bulgarian, is white.
Feisty_Fisherman27@reddit
Another movie that almost no one will watch.
Kossolax23@reddit
It's honestly so weird that people are pissed of about Helen being black. Like guys are reading the books where God (Zeus) turns into swan, fucks a woman, she lays eggs and from the egg is human is born. Well this all makes perfect sense and super realistic, BUT BLACK??? HELL NO
alusnova415@reddit
I don’t think the issue is that she is black is that you are talking about Greeks even if it’s a fake story. Is Greeks poets that told the story and therefore I imagine Greek people or at least people that might look like them.
Imagine I decide to write a story about china and is all fake but is a good story and then when we it makes it into a movie they cast all black people, are you going to say is a fake story so who cares.
With that said I wished they hired Greek actors but is almost impossible to sell the movie with unknown actors.
PerfectWorking6873@reddit
It's so stupid asf
Turbulent-Remote2866@reddit
He has not done this because of black representation. He's done this because she's a fine actress. Half the losers complaining have never read the odyssey. Please get a grip.
dedreanu@reddit
AnyChampionship2512@reddit
I don't care... Doesn't look interesting, so I won't watch it...
Relevant_Ranger_6647@reddit
They are both mythological characters so as they weren't real, who cares? Doesn't matter to me who plays them as long as they can act and both of these people are great actors.
No-Environment6669@reddit
Where is my vomiting emoji...
scales_and_fangs@reddit
This is a joke, yes?
Suspicious-Load5156@reddit
It’s crazy that so many people are mad a black woman is playing someone who’s not even real… the amount of people also saying “iF thiS is tRuE i’M NoT waTchInG tHis moViE,” I’m sure Christopher Nolan is weeping that little old you isn’t gonna watch his movie that is sure to be a blockbuster hit. Also, black people didn’t ask for this. I am not a fan of race-swapping (even though race isn’t real it’s imaginary) characters and making them black. I don’t care about the concept of changing a character’s race, but why not make them Asian or Arabic, or Latino. Instead they just default black and black people have to deal with the overt racism. Again… HELEN OF TROY ISNT REAL and no one in this cast is Greek, you’re just mad she’s black.
Enough_Midnight_9373@reddit
I’m upset they dont speak in verses. Hexametres are the best thing in thay book.
Chemical_Box7136@reddit
Is she playing Hermaphrodites?
Skipper1111111@reddit
Marxists subvert history…
SamoSaki@reddit
I feel so sad when I look at Page. She was so beautiful...
Krupnjache-No1@reddit
For me it will always be beautiful and cool girl Treena, daughter of the Jim Lahey.
jalapenorupe@reddit
Simpler times...
SubstantialWalk9801@reddit
He doesn't know you
jhonnytheyank@reddit
She *
nikannibal@reddit
He*. Balkans truly are 100 years behind civilisation, keep up grandpa.
jhonnytheyank@reddit
Nah. She.
nikannibal@reddit
He* you dimwit
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Is it really he.
jhonnytheyank@reddit
Nah. She with her boobs cut off
ImportantResponse0@reddit
How does it affect your shit and meaningless existence if she is a woman, would you be happynof I start pretending that science that proved that trans people are real and are the gender they state to be dosen't exist?
Would you conyry economy increase if I agree with you?
Would you favorite sport team win whatever cup they try to win?
Would your family get and stay healthy?
If we can call a dude the Rock (not even a name) we can close our eyes and say he when it comes to Eliot.
Nothing will change.
It doesn't make any difference.
Is like telling me that because Jesus is Messiah Buddha can't exist.
jhonnytheyank@reddit
Whatever dude. I ant reading all that. Go get whatever you wanna get chopped off. Don't expect me to salute you while you that though.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
You think the be-all and end-all of every decision should be whether a person continues to look attractive to you?
DarkestGrave@reddit
Based on your user name I assume you have no regard for aesthetics...
No_Aesthetic@reddit
We may occupy radically opposite ends of the spectrum, yes
DarkestGrave@reddit
And this is why your country is going to hell
No_Aesthetic@reddit
I hail from three different ones, which one is going to hell?
DarkestGrave@reddit
The one that you’re displaying - Portugal. Tell me the other two and I can assist in this assessment.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
I fear it would only assist you further!
DarkestGrave@reddit
Run then you imperialist! Run! Hide your shame and self hatred.
nikannibal@reddit
That’s… pathetic
Taqqer00@reddit
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Violexsound@reddit
And what make's you think your approval is worth more than seagull shit? Nobody owes you a thing.
CommieAlert@reddit
Definitely, instead of being comfortable for who he is he should have acted like a woman for your admiration. Because everyone knows your admiration is much more valuable than being comfortable in one's own skin smh
TENTAtheSane@reddit
And now he is so handsome 🤗
SamoSaki@reddit
I am sorry, but I do not see that...
TENTAtheSane@reddit
Fair enough, his haircut is a bit yee yee ass. But you don't have to disparage personal choices others have taken to make their lives happier in such a passive aggressive way
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Oh shut the fuck up, you dont even belong here
Ren-Ren-1999@reddit
I remember mah grandmother telling me: "I don't care what they teach you in school. All mediteraneans are black."
manyacy@reddit
In Nolan we trust
Sunflower-23456@reddit
Okay I consider myself very liberal but they have quite literally lost the plot
wisnuzaene@reddit
What the fuck? She a trans now? I'm so shocked. Yes Achilles was disguised as a woman to avoid the war by his mother. But a trans actor? A character portrayed as a man through and through? Was fucking Brad Pitt before all this nonsense.. I'm so fuckin tired with y'all Americans endorsing this unnecessary agenda into films like fuck is wrong with y'all 🤦🏻♂️
RammRras@reddit
I simply don't care at this point. Any artist has his right to imagine the story as he wishes. I have the right to be interested or not in engaging with that art.
I justify somehow them since this story has been told and screen played a lot so to be unique and 'original' they have to mix up a little bit. It's just the time we live where marketing is dominating and fighting for our attention.
CompetitiveAd3148@reddit
"Representation" kills empathy as a human concept.
Charming-Fun7606@reddit
This is video game casting
Late_Secret3480@reddit
The actress is good but not for the role of Helen of Troy.As for Achilles Pitt nailed the role,but for Helen, com'on!
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Idk, compared to other casting choices, she annoys me less as Helen because she is extremely beautiful, has a regal presence and is very graceful. Zendaya as Athena is more of an out-of-place choice for me for example. Same with Elliot Page. I could see him more as Telemachus than Achilles.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
>Extremely beautiful
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Beauty is subjective 🤷♀️ We can disagree and that's fine!
ThingCandid9553@reddit
To me, she’s on the complete opposite end of the spectrum from extremely beautiful, but to each their own.
4baobao@reddit
I'm sure you're also on the complete end of the spectrum for some people, that's how it works
ThingCandid9553@reddit
To each their own, but I’m into women who look like women, not dudes wearing makeup and wigs.
avatarjak@reddit
This and other accounts criticizing the casting have purposely used photos of Lupita portraying a ragged character (slave character or horror character)
Otherwise in Hollywood she is well regarded as very beautiful
antiqua_pulmenti@reddit
I don't find Lupita particularly beautiful either but she does not look like a dude wtf
Nekocatred@reddit
You’re gross.
4baobao@reddit
just like some women are into man, not weirdos crying on reddit
ThingCandid9553@reddit
No one’s crying here, except for you. I’m just expressing my opinion calmly. Feel free to disagree.
4baobao@reddit
I am also calmly expressing by opinion about you being a crybaby. You don't have to cry because a woman is black, it's ok
ImportantResponse0@reddit
You definetly shouldn't have that flaire.
But that your favourite actress is Marga Barbu or something, Carmen Tănase preharps.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
What does my flair have to do with anything?
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I am Romanian too.
Nyong'o is really hot, she might be black and young looking but she is hot
ThingCandid9553@reddit
I figured, but why bring up my flair? I don’t find Lupita attractive at all, she just looks like a guy in drag. I tend to prefer a more classic, feminine look in women. To me, Lupita comes off pretty androgynous, but hey, to each their own.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I know what you mean and maybe that is where we disagree.
You want tits and ass and hips and all of that and I want androgynous looking women because this is what I like. I mean if she was white her hair for me would have been too long, I like boysh looking girls.
Also maybe is just me but she here looks like a kid, like underaged so she is hot overall but here she looks bad.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Like Ruby Rose.
Ruby Rose with that boy hair cut is hot.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
I don’t find her attractive at all, especially with that boyish haircut. Like I said, I’m more into traditionally feminine women, I’m not into the tomboy look, but to each their own.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean the only problem for me is that most women I like are lesbians.
But I would like to find a tomboy who is not.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Good luck finding one.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Yeah, completely fair. I don't think I 've ever heard of a person whose physical attributes pleased everyone, and thank god, because that means there would be people attracting everyone and others attracting no one. Extremely bad for genetic diversity and the evolution of the human species.
think_panther@reddit
Achilles, the embodiment of the super male undefeated warrior, played by a trans weakling... Seems like an agenda.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against trans people and I like Page as an actor both as Elliot and Ellen. But he shouldn't be cast for this role, just as Ryan Gosling should not be cast as Martin Luther King, or Peter Dinklage as Kareem Abdul Jabbar.
To me as a Greek, the cast choices are disrespectful to my heritage.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Well, Achilles was also gay or at least bisexual, as he had a male partner, so the trans thing isn't really an agenda or as far from Homer's vibe either. His face and demeanor just isn't giving undefeated chiseled demigod playah.
kanaryasiken_aslan@reddit
he didnt say anything about him being gay. a transgender is a joke for this role
think_panther@reddit
So, you see the frail body of Elliot Page and think to yourself: "Wow, he is the super male, the perfect warrior"? And why are you inserting sexual preferences in this? What does it have to do with anything?
Late_Secret3480@reddit
Yes,Homer describe Helen as λευκώλενος(the one with white hands/skin).So i believe that some of actors are bad choices for the specific roles they were chosen..
ImportantResponse0@reddit
If we talk white I would have recommended Ortega because at least she is beautiful (Selena Gomez beauty but younger) kinda acting like am ex Disney (in the death of the unicorn you can see she is a brat) and she could do it
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Oh yeah, I am aware and I agree. I mostly meant that even if we get past the original physical descriptions (which for these casting choices we kinda have to), the essence of each actor still doesn't necessarily reflect the characters they 're being asked to portray, and they might prove me wrong, but I just don't have it in some of them to do so. Mind you, I 'm not a Zendaya hater either, I actually think she's a very good actress in general.
brightestofwitches@reddit
She'd be a good Princess Andromeda imo.
merdeauxfraises@reddit
Agreed!
Firm_Shop2166@reddit
Yet another shit show from the woke leftist Hollywood elites full of blackwashing, political correctness and destruction of white European culture and history.
Every_Ad_5120@reddit
No amount of Nolan can sell me this cast.
Elias_Sideris@reddit
The casting is bad. Pretty bad!
DevLeCanadien23@reddit
It will be the Achilles heel of the box office
TheBubbaDave@reddit
I’ll pass. I need to save my money for the upcoming Obama biopic starring Neil Patrick Harris.
Cute_Yesterday_2288@reddit
My thoughts are death to Israel and America
elDayno@reddit
I'll wait for about 10 years to watch AI edited version
Nosfuuuratuu@reddit
Psyop
Economy_Block_6305@reddit
Not watching this wine crap
jazman84@reddit
Lol
Big_Comfortable_7933@reddit
Hell I don't mind them using a black lady as Helen of Troy but atleast use an actress that would make us believe her beauty could launch a 1000 ships. And if Achilles isn't played by a believable badass I'm not gonna bother watching it.
Musketiere04@reddit
It’s a movie (not a documentary) about a mostly fictional Story. Heck the only possible real thing about Iliad and odyssey is Troy. There are gods in it. Why the hell should a god have the same phenotype as a greek? Zeus transmorphed himself in a swan. And how „Greek“ are the „Greeks“ anyways. And what is a greek from that time? That’s more than 1000 years before classic greek antics. Fact is we don’t have a exact picture of the people from that time. So who cares. Let Helen be played by Lucy Liu, Achilles by John cenas wife and Poseidon by a cgi plesiosaurus voiced by Benedict cumberbatch.
People are always complaining about those choices in movies/series based on real history and even in complete fiction like lotr but what most people forget is that almost every movie based on real history is mostly wrong in terms of casting, masquerade, design, dialogue etc. If people are worried that those choices will give you (and children for example) a wrong perspective of real events than you should have the same fear if they decided to cast a Saxon warrior with German or danish actors that speak some old English gibberish accent with there axes in both hands and a helmet with wings. That’s on the same level.
Far-Touch-2046@reddit
Im Greek but I won't speak about history accuracy as I don't mind things being completey accurate to source material if the end product is good. But this shit is laughable
LAZY_RED-PANDA@reddit
Since you're Greek, I have a question for you. What is your opinion on the 2004 movie Troy? And what do you think of the casting Brad Pitt as Achillies, Eric Bana as Hector, Orlando Bloom as Paris, Sean Bean as Odysseus, Brian Cox as Agamemnon, Brendan Gleeson as Menelaus, Diane Kruger as Helen of Troy, Rose Byrne as Briseis and Saffron Burrows as Andromache?
Far-Touch-2046@reddit
Welp, the movie had it's misses regarding the greek mythology and ofc none of the actors were greeks but as castings they were really good most of the time and especially Brad. Greek figures were always about manliness, war and politics. While Brad's hair tended to differ as it was always shiny, they did good overall
SwocDoc@reddit
I will not be watching it.
Hairy_Technology_213@reddit
5 foot 1 inch Elliot Page is the most fierce warrior in Greek mythology? Sure. Why not.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
People are mad that Eliot, a man, plays a man while I am here still waiting for a psychological independent and alternative romance movie about the story of a trans person falling in love and feeling like an impostor lying and going trough depression and anxiety and how love calms that person.
If you can also make it a musical and have a little fantasy elements it would be great.
Hairy_Technology_213@reddit
Someone stopping you from making that movie?
GravitysRelative@reddit
They just need to make a movie were Mansu-Musa is some Greek dude with a hairy chest.
RecommendationOnly41@reddit
Another boring overrated flop that would uniformly claimed as an masterpiece by all access media
TheCharalampos@reddit
I don't really care just suprised they went that way as I don't think it will work out.
SnooPineapples1212@reddit
The face that stole a thousand ships and an ugly chick as Achilles. Not even pirating that nonsense.
Significant_Other666@reddit
There's always Dune
Affectionate-Code-19@reddit
Looks like another woke piece of shit just to get Oscar nominations
Accomplished-Cat2659@reddit
Whack
OkAppearance4117@reddit
sorry, what now?
PontiffRingo@reddit
Americans with their lack of reading comprehension, as per usual...
Low-Opportunity2249@reddit
It would be nice to see Greek actors in Greek stories. I guess that's asking too much. Even just actors that sound or pass as Mediterranean. I'm shocked Batista is not in this with him being Greek and a darling to the left.
halosethr@reddit
I could care less about it since Im not watching it
I don’t need a new Troy, I’ve got the peak version already
It’s like remaking LOTR
What are we? Fucking stupid?
Drydaddy699@reddit
Nothing like trying to normalize having your breasts chopped off, and thinking you’re a dude.
Trick-Cantaloupe-927@reddit
It will be so satisfying to have a masterpiece of disaster that opens the scrutiny to the rest of his catalogue, littered with pretentious mediocre flicks.
His entire career is a dude(RIP) playing a role really well, and all overhype from there. This movie will only be different by how obvious that is.
NuBlyatTovarish@reddit
This is pure cope Nolan is a legend even without dark knight
Trick-Cantaloupe-927@reddit
Coping from what, being bored to death?
Privateer_Lev_Arris@reddit
The Trojan horse is "the message"
Proud_Horse_7014@reddit
Can this bullshit film
Drydaddy699@reddit
Perfect, just in time for the mid terms.
the_noobcat@reddit
Hey idk what is this new movie, but the good news is Im not gonna watch it!
L3tsseewhathappens@reddit
The amount of stupidity in this movie is staggering.
skajvoolker@reddit
Bizarre. It's exactly that.
Secure-Dentist-6399@reddit
Oh and I thought Snowwhite was a bad movie...
tinmanjk@reddit
That I'm never watching this.
Sea-Exercise4332@reddit
I don't think Christopher Nolan is relying on the ticket sales from Bulgaria, no offense.
tinmanjk@reddit
I don't think he has any box-office deal from those casting decisions, so you are right
Sea-Exercise4332@reddit
Doubting Christopher Nolan, the literal billion dollar box office king is funny.
tinmanjk@reddit
first time for everything in this life, people are fed up with feminism/woke stuff. it will most likely bomb
Sea-Exercise4332@reddit
The feminist woke stuff that made Barbie movie a billion dollars? Ok
tinmanjk@reddit
3 years ago - pre Trump 2024, pre UK elections 2026. People are fed up with this shit.
thehangmanCauthon@reddit
Nor we rely on Christopher Nolan for entertainment. What is this argument anyway, it is a discussion on odd casting, of course Nolan doesn’t rely on Bulgaria
Sea-Exercise4332@reddit
False. Hollywood movies are well watched there just like 99% of the world. Clearly, they cared enough to comment here meanwhile, idk who in the US or UK is watching Bulgarian media.
flawmeisste@reddit
In the very best case via torrents, lol
thehangmanCauthon@reddit
What are you even on about? Yes, that is a fact. The argument is that person choosing not to watch that movie has nothing to do with Bulgaria ticket sales or media. It was a discussion on casting choices. Guess what, almost every country is inferior on one way or another to the USA. Does Bulgaria have shit media for the other world? Yes. Is it shit for Bulgarians? Mostly no. We love our corner of the globe, so Nolans shitty movie ain’t got nothing to do with being Bulgarian or Bulgarian media.
GronkBong@reddit
It’s Ellen.
Rinma96@reddit
Cringe
Mr-simon-riley@reddit
idk. anyway join my server
SafeMolasses951@reddit
Cringe
TopDress7853@reddit
back in the time the odyssey was written, though the odyssey itself was sang but not acted, male actors were cast as women. they sang and danced in choruses and wore large masks so they could play multiple roles. they executed goats in the middle of the venues. so with respect to the ancient greeks... I would say they cast two actors and the actors are going to do their job and act.
SystemOk9164@reddit
Is that the girl from inception?
Aliveatthesametime@reddit
Gay…and mutilated
Superchill227@reddit
Yeah kidding right
LAZY_RED-PANDA@reddit
So...let me get this straight, Juno is playing Achillies now?
rrzibot@reddit
I think this is some great marketing. These are smart people and it is a smart director. This story allows for all kinds of things. I will wait for the story to enjoy it.
Beneficial-Swan-519@reddit
Now we should make movies with chinese cowboys and whites as slaves.
That would actually be fun though.
Killing4Joy@reddit
Nolan gave in, never expected that.
ColdAccountant9652@reddit
Hey, so i have a genuine question - i'm not ecstatic about the casting either but why does everyone who makes a post about it uses pictures of Lupita Nyong'o from her roles when she played a slave and not of the actress herself as she appears in public, with nice clothing and presentable appearance?
Is it because the actress truly is very beautiful and if you were to show a pic like that it would go against the point ur trying to make?
ColdAccountant9652@reddit
gkon123@reddit
As Cartman said put a chick in it and make it gay and lame
d-Arhengel@reddit
They will not be in it for long. Achilles should have a cameo when Ulyses goes down in Hell and Helen of Troy should appear just in the beginning as she is dragged by her hair back to Menelaus's ship.
LowBatteryHuman@reddit
cameron8988@reddit
you could not pay me to care
trunksshinohara@reddit
Oh. Wow. No one is gonna go see this movie. Shame.
MrKorakis@reddit
To be fair the thing is so far into the "Bronze age batman" look and feel that I can't be bothered to care about this kind of dumb shit. The entire thing is turning into more of a joke every time I hear anything about it
liamstrain@reddit
Good actors all around. Should be interesting to see how it plays in context.
OverlordJigsaw@reddit
Kaito__1412@reddit
It's a work of fiction. No one should gives a fuck. If you do than you are a fucking loser.
Muted_Bed_6712@reddit
I personally don't mind a black woman playing Hellen but I do mind a frail looking person playing as the greatest warrior of Greek Mythology, who, btw, is dead before the Odyssey even starts.
I really hope this isn't true because this would be an epic fail for Nolan.
And I don't even wanna know what the Greeks think about all this.
Petrica55@reddit
A hollywood adaptation of the Odyssey is so incapable of being faitful/forming a meaningful dialogue with the original that they might as well cast amoebas for all I care
ClothesOpposite1702@reddit
Okay. I kind of got used to blackwashing. But wtf is that Achilles casting
LittlePinkTerrorist@reddit
What I have read from balkan shitposters, Greeks are black so isn't Helen of Troy historically correct?
Yugan-Dali@reddit
Good publicity
vanyushka_@reddit
I don't know why I expected a good Greek mythology movie. I've never seen a good one. It's always either the cast is bad or the story is completely ruined/changed for whatever reason.
And no, I didn't like "Troy" with Brad Pitt, either.
I had high expectations for "The Odyssey" because I liked a lot of Christopher Nolan's movies, but I'm very disappointed. It's obvious that he's chasing approval by having a black person play a non-black character and having a transgender man play one of the main roles.
I'm not racist, but as one other person said, if you want representation, why not just make a movie about, say, African mythology? That would be very interesting, at least to me. I don't understand the point of being historically inaccurate just for overdone representation...
Anaevya@reddit
It would be less weird, if Nolan wasn't known for wanting accurcy in a lot of his other films.
It's like he thought non-accuracy was ok this time, because the story is mythical and very old.
Sepetcioglu@reddit
Whitest Greek lmao love it. I'm sure it won't even make one tenth of the money they spent because of casting her.
Individual_Formal130@reddit
It's not really trying to be authentically Greek though.
sorokii@reddit
What is the point of using Greek mythology to not make it Greek ?
It’s blatant cultural appropriation
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Which is true.
If this was a west African themed movie you can be assured the cast would reflect that.
Sepetcioglu@reddit
Oh I'm sorry. Is she playing queen Dido of Carthage? I thought she was playing Helen of Troy, my mistake.
Individual_Formal130@reddit
Yeh fair point.
Johnanonanon@reddit
Funny how its only the black and trans actors anyone mentions. Totally fine for the white as you like Matt Damon and Tom Holland to be playing Ancient Greeks. No doubt they'll all have American accents too, not an issue. Get a life it's a fucking storybook.
HybridPlayingFan@reddit
Why on earth are they dressed like that? Achilles just looks like a normal teenage boy. Wheres the Ancient Greek clothing????
andreisokiel@reddit
Usonian movie with usonian actors for usonian audience. They can do whatever they want, I don't care, not going to watch it anyway
swallowtail222@reddit
I mean i kinda don't really care but that's not how I imagined either of them when I read the odyssey, since, yknow, odyssey is in Greece and has greek people in it.. And Lupita and Elliot don't really fit that description but I hope they have fun acting in the movie.
Ok-Nature-4563@reddit
Gross
WifeLeaverr@reddit
I’m proud that our people are represented in hollywood blockbuster
Sanguine_Caesar@reddit
Who gives a shit? These are fictional characters not historical people. What relevance does the race of the actors playing said fictional characters have to anything? This "controversy" is so fucking tiring.
National-Flow5658@reddit
Lel Makes me don't wanna watch series of any kind anymore
XEPATOP@reddit
This kind of casting is a cheap way to promote a project by generating internet buzz. It's a case where it's better to remain silent than to speak out if you think the casting is questionable.
batmilko@reddit
FAKE NEWS
Major_Demand8811@reddit
Why do you care ? Grow up and stop worrying about imaginary charecters.
the_sneaky_one123@reddit
I have nothing against either of these actors. I actually like Lupita Ngoyo quite a bit.
But this is just a bit silly overall. Like this just does not need to be done.
There's also a ton of other things that are making this movie just not seem like its worth it in the slightest so it's going to be a hard pass for ne.
PrincipledProphet@reddit
Heh boobies
Ok_Nose6847@reddit
IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?!
FewConference2780@reddit
This movie is the ultimate example of "marvelization". It doesn't feel like art, it feels like a product. I like most of Nolan's work and I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but this film feels like it's following a formula, not trying to be an authentic and honest retelling of a classic story
Thanos_354@reddit
Terrible news for the unemployed
Wong-Ann_Fong@reddit
Who tf is Elliot Page?
elderDragon1@reddit
A girl trying to be a guy and failing at it.
elderDragon1@reddit
My thoughts is this movie is woke slop, instead of an accurate portrayal.
CountryMayhem@reddit
I don't know, im still waiting for "The 3rd Reich" with Will Smith as Adolf Hitler. Can't wait for this
Ok-Priority253@reddit
Would you be talking about this movie if she wasn't black? Would you even know it exists?
andre4red@reddit
Weird choice of cast...I just don't think forcing social agenda onto mythologically established lore is a good idea. But, its a Nolan movie so i'm looking forward to it.
Drafter1991@reddit
Honesty its not about color or ethnicity - the actors are totally pick failures cause they cannot even represent what they act for. Does this girl represent the most beautiful woman in the world? Does this guy look to you like a fierce warrior?
PIuto@reddit
To answer your question, yes, Lupita is other worldly beautiful.
Drafter1991@reddit
She's not ugly, (at least with hair) but that much beautiful as to portray Helen of Troy Naaahh. Helen of Troy should be something really exceptional for ex J. Lopez at her gold days.
PIuto@reddit
You do realize that your taste in women is not universal?
Drafter1991@reddit
The taste in woman is indeed something controversial but to a certain degree. There are women that none can call mediocre and this should be the case of Helen.
elektricniorgazam@reddit
Pretending that Lupita isn't one of the most beautiful women alive is wild
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Yes, replace Eliot with Stallone (if he is still willing to play in a movie) and her with Ortega.
Realistic_Arm_3312@reddit
It’s retarded . Chris Nolan is one of the best best detectors out right now . But why do these Hollywood pos’s troll everyone ? Why do this carting? I just don’t get it . Just stick with the source material . Everything has to go woke and be made for “modern audiences” . So stupid … oh well he was due for a box office bomb soon enough … I’ll just rewatch he movies before this ….
GrkMetalhead@reddit
Nooo hunter schafer should be Helen of troy
Much-Percentage-559@reddit
Hollywood is afraid of offending the audience. Gotta include everyone
bleta_punetore@reddit
Christopher Nolan is my favorite director. Fuck Christopher Nolan! The only things that will make this disgusting choice pass, will be their limited time in the movie (hopefully).
Playful_Pianist815@reddit
I am fairly liberal so I don't mind woke movies if the wokeness is part of the artistic vision and not just random virtue signaling. The issue is 90% of woke movies are just virtue signaling so I skip them.
Honestly I used to like american movies but in recent years I find them stupid and artistically bankrupt so they kind of disappeared from my life. I don't even think about them.
titsuphuh@reddit
I hope this isn't real
frankb3lmont@reddit
Is it weird that I'm more mad about the wardrobe? Look It's old timey clothing so they wear brown and dark colours. Every fucking fresco depicts the exact opposite and I won't even talk about the 3d print helmet and medieval Warhammer armors of the Laestrygons. Nolan you made a potato!
Prestigious-Gold1251@reddit
Helen of DeTroyt
Flat_Cattle8744@reddit
Vomit inducing. As a Greek this is absolute crap and we wont watch it
gushkaper@reddit
I thought the woke aids was gone. Is it still on?
gryspnik@reddit
What exactly is your problem? Whities have been playing Jesus and the Apostles and Moses and Abraham for decades; I never heard you complaining.
hihimorius@reddit
So, Moses is an African-american Egyptian?
gryspnik@reddit
It's actually much more probably that Moses was a black person than a white. I'm just saying that you should all get over it because it's been done since the beginning of cinema
SadAstronaut8763@reddit
When it comes to Helen of Troy, Homer gives zero descriptions on her looks. This is because her whole thing is being beautiful (in greek we don’t call her Helen of troy we call her Helen the beautiful) and beauty is subjective. She is a blank canvas for us to project our deepest desires onto and if that actress is who Nolan thinks is beautiful enough to play the character then that’s the end of the story. Also i’m really liking the juxtaposition between a really dark skinned woman playing the cheater and a really light skinned woman playing the loyal wife who turns away men even though her husband is probably dead, Homer loves a good antithesis and i think he’d really get off on this.
witcher-7@reddit
Nije bolest sve što boli
TotallyFunctional2@reddit
Lupita Nyongo is certainly beautiful enough for the role. Elliot Page is a weird choice, but then again, if he‘s playing the ghost of achilles, that could be cool.
Vivid_Philosopher304@reddit
It shows that most people have never step foot to theatre, ballet or opera in their lives. Because actors playing different races exist in these art forms for ages and is being normalised to the audience who attends.
You need more art and better education. :)
Silly_Guest_1214@reddit
Enough for me not to see it at all...
ExaminationLate290@reddit
It’s immersion breaking. Seeing these people portraying Ancient Greek legends is hurtful to the culture. Just like in Vikings Valhalla with that Jarl who was a black woman. I mean, just make a movie titled Obama, played by Jason Statham, or make a movie about Robin Williams being played by Dwayne Johnson.
pix3lchick@reddit
If Nolan makes a contemporary version of Iliad (not Odysey!) this casting would make sense and would be welcomed. However, in historical drama it just makes no sense.
46_and_2@reddit
I mean, even historical details like the helmets and armor for this movie make no sense and look like amateur hour.
I generally like Nolan films a lot, but since the first images, and now trailer, this movie gives such weird and off vibes - doesn't show much of his trademark seriousness and deep research.
pix3lchick@reddit
What the eff? This helmet makes him look like a helenic Batman lol
BR2025_@reddit
Garfield as Odysseus' dog.
Bastheon@reddit
''Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made'' JRR Tolkien
Icy-Bandicoot-8738@reddit
Lupita Nyong'o is beautiful enough to have wars fought over her, so I get that. But Page is, like, 5'1" on a good day. I'm sorry, but height matters for the most famous warrior of Greece. That casting makes no sense. Hope the rumor is wrong.
TheGirlFromThatMovie@reddit
Is this a joke?
grausamkeit777@reddit
Helen of Detroit
Sea-Exercise4332@reddit
She's not even American so your "joke" makes no sense.
PIuto@reddit
Racism doesn’t make sense.
Shotemup@reddit
Lol, this movie will tank so hard
Alone-Monk@reddit
I could not possibly care less.
Delicious-Abroad-560@reddit
I want Jackie Chan as Agamemnon
DoomerChad@reddit
Is Elliot really that ripped??
Lunokhodd@reddit
for some reason i had the impression that Troy was somewhere in turkey...
NimrodvanHall@reddit
I hope the crew and the cast had a lot of fun making this movie!
I don’t I’m think I’m the target audience, so my opinion doesn’t really matter thus I keep it to myself.
LowOk7052@reddit
Just not watching it , tired of this bs agenda
MathDifferent8986@reddit
I love this. Feed on the rage.
bromax333@reddit
WHY, but why??
eloace@reddit
This feels like a campaign but I’m not sure for what
Ionel69Pacate@reddit
Wtf!? Achiles has a clitoris. Then, where is his week (spot) heel?!
iMoac@reddit
It’s insanity and insult to European culture.
bobo6u89@reddit
Like I will pay for this. They can cast Pedro Pascal as everyone for all I care!
supersweetpotatoes@reddit
Absolutely ridiculous, can't wait to not watch it
KMContent24@reddit
Pathetic theft of history.
Neither_Article_9429@reddit
Parody.
Glavurdan@reddit
Damn I was so hyped about this movie
Not anymore, think I'm just gonna watch Supergirl
Malun19@reddit
That’s a joke right?
Yinmaybe@reddit
This movie is not a documentary, so it should not be held up to the standards of on. It doesn't have to be historically accurate. Lupita is a beautiful woman, so why should she not play Helen? Because she is black, so the people around her would treat her differently in ancient Greece? This shows that we are expecting racism to exist in ancient Greece and truth to be told it probably did. But Nolan is creating a movie where it didn't. So why do we care if there is racial diversity, when to the eyes of the characters black and white skin colour won't matter?
Coming from a greek btw
Mitkoztd@reddit
This is a joke, right?
JjForcebreaker@reddit
Looks like typical modern American garbage.
Fragrant-Loan-1580@reddit
I’m willing to look past Lupita as Helen of Troy. I’m not happy about but I can let that one go. Elliot page as Achilles though is so fucking outrageous that I can no longer say Christopher Nolan is my favorite director. Unfuckingbelievable.
Regular_Ad3313@reddit
Pretty sure this is pulled from someone’s ass for engagement
joker_face27@reddit
Great movie to be skipped.
Long_Comparison_1254@reddit
Altruistic_Isopod_11@reddit
In honestly don't care
JohnR1977@reddit
strange casting choices indeed… but in Nolan we trust.
Long_Comparison_1254@reddit
xxxcalibre@reddit
I mean, why use actors at all? They should use professional lookalikes for every role
Long_Comparison_1254@reddit
https://i.redd.it/c0xjm3j9pc0h1.gif
CauseBrilliant5497@reddit
Yucky
Long_Comparison_1254@reddit
https://i.redd.it/ctb1pe27pc0h1.gif
Cures80@reddit
Whats the problem?
Tinenan@reddit
It's called a publicity stunt. Purposeful casting designed to generate controversy
Thialaz@reddit
i'll be surprised if this performes well
sbepka@reddit
Looks historically accurate 😄
mouthofdisaster@reddit
It's all ragebait. The more you talk about it, the more free promotion and future money they get.
AggressivePrice3715@reddit
Fun-Strain7445@reddit
Meh…i’ll pass.
Gheredion2020@reddit
It doesn't matter how they look, it matters how they act.
Snarknado3@reddit
not watching it
Acrobatic-Ad8722@reddit
Never knew it was a comedy.
yonk9@reddit
I really dislike this casting.
Critical_Swimming_70@reddit
That it is destined to be another pathetical production ruined by woke agenda. No one asked for such gender and racial shifts, not in movies or video games. So it is forcefully dictated by masked men with evil plans.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Two things
Eliot is a man
And they should make new stories
Critical_Swimming_70@reddit
I wonder who will watch those ‘new stories’ coz they ruin great storylines like Witcher which already has a huge fanbase and guaranteed to be succesful unless it was butchered with radical changes no one asked for.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean new stories for black actors and actresses and for trans actor and actress.
There is definitely people like me who even cos and white would watch both.
But this is forced is like little mermaid where they are like "we finished playing with that do you wanna play too"
Like why do some people needs recycled stories to have representation.
I guarantee neither the black people not the trans would like this movie so for who they even made that movie?
Is not even the fault of the trans or black since they are kinda vocal about wanting original stories for them that do in fact represent them.
This are insulting even for the minorities they "represent"
Critical_Swimming_70@reddit
I agree with ur critical comments. I think that the reason why they shift original stories and make them woke consists of multiple facts. 1st. The fanbase is not that big so they would not make profit with original stories for lgbt or black communities. However, they keep making productions although they keep wasting money on those strange projects consequently. That makes me think that the goal is not about making profit. It is to change the culture and make these characters visible to the point ppl start to think these ppl are many in numbers than the society thinks. Infact they are not. Adding lgbt characters in video games shows a grooming campaign which targets young audiences. Older fanbase of video games are mostly straight males but we keep seeing those characters to forcefully accept lgbt campaigns but it is not effective in my opinion coz they solely feed critical comments.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Fin fact is: more non white or non LGBT people would rather watch original LGBT stories or non white stories too if they would realise "hey this might not be for me but is clearly a great movie so why shouldn't I watch it" I am white I want and I watched Balck Heat and I enjoyed it.
And I hope you make strange projecg this recycled stories amd not things that are under original and authentic, because is nothing strange to make a movie for black people or for LGBT people.
Also about the games. Like I don't play games but when the story dosen't require a character to be any sexuality (I don't know but a if I ever play a shorter game I only care about which character got the bigger gun, if is action just tell me how can I deal the most damage, if is adventure let me explore the world as I like) or let it be sand box and allow me to date any character I want (multiplayer game kinda does that since if you are a boy and at 13 or 14 you date a girl chance are another boy at you age dates another boy and a girl of your age date a girl).
Also strange projects. I love actually strange projects that are weird and not because of the representation they make, I love niched stories but I hate wanna be comercial stories that are remakes and that replace a race or gender with another (wanna add new characters that actually make sense like then I am fine).
Also I never would watch a remake, or franchise of any type.
Give me a stand alone that is a little different and the senate talking because I really want to see original things even if budget is bigger than profit (box office isn't whole profit and streaming can last decades).
I rather watch a cult classic than a blockbuster.
Critical_Swimming_70@reddit
I agree with you. Stories abt black communities or lgbt ppl would be more authentic to watch n learn abt their experiences if it was original, not forcefully included in the mainstream productions. The example of witcher is the most recent bs they ruined. They picked actors contradicting to original storyline without any reason. The original story had many side stories which could focus on almost every social matter including lgbt or racism and good points to make which would get the acclaim of the audience thanks to being original and based to source material. It is the biggest example of a waste of a good original masterpiece.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I don't know what really happened in that series but there is a saying: keep a series going long enough and it will usually turns around. Meaning a great one could turn into a bad one very fast.
But yes original stories are the best.
Creepy_Guarantee5460@reddit
Looks like it will be a literal shitshow.
Cihonidas@reddit
Why did they pick a girl for Achilles?
Werewolf_Knight@reddit
I honestly find it is very weird, but so does most of the cast, since almost none of the actors are at least Mediterranean. But I guess, for people, it's worse if the actor is black (or any other marginalized group) for some reason. What I mean by that is... why those actors seem more problematic to cast than the white actors if they also don't fit?
zosherb@reddit
Why are we asking Balkans anything lol, especially if it even relates to race
SoulCatcher_72@reddit
Pathetic
deadlygr@reddit
As a greek its a disgrace going woke in a history movie is so cringe
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Woke?
Wasn't acient greek gay?
deadlygr@reddit
They have a female playing Achilles
ImportantResponse0@reddit
He is a man
Thade2k@reddit
lol sure she is
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I don't think it matters anyway
Serious_Sense_6097@reddit
A transgender is playing basically the best greek warrior of all time... seems about right.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean if you want a real cast I would have called Stallone if I was Nolan.
Wouldn't cared about public reaction.
ReservoirDog5@reddit
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Suitable-Decision-26@reddit
Ok, If we are going to do that, I want Terry Crews... I don't care who he plays, just put the man in there.
KINGDenneh@reddit
We still doing this whole "inclusive" bullshit?
historydude1648@reddit
there is zero proof this is real. where is the source for this? you are making shitty rage-bait posts
Substratas@reddit (OP)
historydude1648@reddit
where is the proof? all these say "theory" or "rumor". are you retarded?
EternalyTired@reddit
Degenerate bs like mostly everything coming out of Hollywood. Won't be watching it due to the clear innacuracies.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Hollywood?
Like all movies from USA?
That is just a stupid generalisation
DarkestGrave@reddit
Yes most movies out of Hollywood are echo chamber garbage. That’s why a Brit like Nolan can make a movie but it screams Hollywood programming.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I don't know there is independent cinematography and there is alternative cinematography and there are underate great movies and there are even some Christian stories which I bet you people don't even know that exists and there are some interesting biography movies and there are some lhorror movies based on personal experiences.
There is to much diversity for one pot
longjumpingtote@reddit
It's not diversity. It's reality. Calling reality "diversity" is wild.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Reality?
This is the reality we live in?
Acient Greece?
Not racism?
Not transphobia?
Then let's never make movie about such fantasy concepts that going to bed as a teen (12, 13, 14) crying, afraid hating the world and yourself because you don't know what is going one and because puberty nust dosen't make sense for you. Let's not talk about how a comment online about how a man would never be a woman hurts kids that are trans. Let's not take a out their struggles because apparently those things aren't worth a movie, no?
Instead lest just pick a grand person and let's put them play a cis person, this would definitely make people realise such people exist and are worth of respect and love, no?
And as for black people, what about we never actually pick a story from places like Africa, even if there are lot of interesting stories.
And also never make an original fantasy or animated movie for them.
You know what is a great idea, let's just take a movie that was done before replace some characters with minorities and just remake that story. Definitely that would be a great movie.
elektricniorgazam@reddit
You want accuracy in a fictional epic with gods and monsters that don't really exist? Just say you're a racist transphobe, so much easier
EternalyTired@reddit
Troy is an actual archeological site and the war did happen. While Homer's epic probably has fictional characters, they are well fleshed out and described in detail.
Asking for accuracy in portraying a masterpiece of classical literature doesn't make me a racist transphobe.
If I were a racist I'd be bothered by native American/Mexican actors in Apocalypto, but that's not the case, Is it?
mahnatazis@reddit
I literally couldn't care less about that slop of a movie. It's basically more of a woke agenda than an actual movie. I'm just extremely sad when I see what Ellen Page did to herself because I had a huge crush on her back when she was normal or at least I thought she was.
Valveringham85@reddit
Is this real?
Substratas@reddit (OP)
mhmilo24@reddit
I really don’t understand why things can not be reimagined. Why do they have to they have to retell the story the same? It’s not a documentary where things have to be accurate. It’s an action movie. I liked William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet (1996) even though it has been told in a completely different timeline than the actual Romeo and Juliet. I loved Oliver & Company, even though the characters are not even the same species as the original story „Oliver Twist. Steven Spielbergs „AI: Artificial Intelligence“ is a retold story of Pinocchio. The kid isn’t even made of wood. Imagine the horrors! William Shakespeares „The Taming of the Shrew“ was remade into 10 Things I hate about you. So what? It’s still a great movie. The Lion King is Hamlet for animals. It’s still a good animation movie. What the fuck are we even talking about.
Austro_bugar@reddit
It’s historically accurate.
tda18@reddit
Stop me if you've heard this one before: Anerican movie industry makes a movie about a """foreign""" (non-USA) story, but they haven't even read the original nor are they willing to portray it without US cultural stereotypes and norms... (99% of American fiction dramas)
Honestly I am so damn tired of this shit.
I want a hollywood blockbuster film about the life of Mansa Musa or the many kings and queens of Kongo, basically more stuff like Woman king but with the question of african tribes contributing to the Triangle trading.
Or hells how about the life of Haile Selassie? The last King of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) He was a very forward thinking and progressive king, who fought tooth and nail for his nation.
Vanko_Babanko@reddit
DEI political bs
Interesting_Bad_4139@reddit
discusting
Next_League6403@reddit
Most movies are agenda pushing nowadays. I just dont watch them and remind people who owns hollywood and what they do.
Blind__Fury@reddit
Could
not
care
less...
If the movie works, it works.
dubito-ergo-redeo@reddit
The casting for Achilles is the one I find atrocious here.
highoomm@reddit
fucking gross
Anastasia_of_Crete@reddit
I didn't realize ancient Greece had the demographics of mordern london, very interesting
DistinctAirline4145@reddit
How to try reshaping history and fail, tutorial.
tugffjj@reddit
what's with the shrimp? he doesn't look to be able to lift a shield like any hoplite could
BlanKatt@reddit
This is only an uncomfirmed fan theory meant to be ragebait and rile up bigoted idiots
Bear_necessities96@reddit
I know he’s just rage baiting
Viktor_Ico@reddit
It's gonna bomb so hard
KrisKris00@reddit
Love it🤌
Atactos@reddit
True, but Odyssey is a fictional story, unless you believe in monsters and shit you must be wise enough to realize. Also for many of the "historical figures" in the story of Homer we know things only via bos two works of him so we could argue if they were even real. So, a director could do wtf he wants with the cast.
ballzstreetwets@reddit
More fitting would be Chuck Shoumar as Achilles and Pelosi as Helen of Troy
thefish12124@reddit
I thought the actor of achilles was female until i saw this pic , and i was like damn they destroyed another movie.
And hellen should be white. There are clear indicators of her color in the oddysia books.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
She is a biological woman. This is her before the whole trans thing.

ImportantResponse0@reddit
He is a man.
This is exactly why we need people like you to watch movies like When I Saw The Tv Glowing and why we need more movies like When I Saw The Tv Glowing.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
You can repeat that like a mantra but it doesn't make it true. She’s a biological female. I don’t really care what other people do with their lives, and I’ve got no issue with sexual minorities. But I’m also not going to accept someone else’s delusion as objective reality.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Yes and Transylvania do belong to Hungary and I say this a patriotic Romanian.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Except reality says otherwise. That said, if Transylvania somehow ended up under Hungarian control tomorrow, I honestly wouldn’t care.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Well as a Romanian nationalist I must say that chances for a majoritar parlament consisting of UDMR as the most influential and the biggest party are never zero.
And a prime minister from UDMR might happen during our life times.
ThingCandid9553@reddit
And? You’re the one who brought up Transylvania like I’d care if it ended up part of Hungary someday. I don’t.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean why not?
And what I say, if you are really Romania make lot of sense.
Name another country where a national minority rules in the parliament.
I want to see if you can.
In Romania Hungarians rules over us, and if I am not wrong over our forests.
thefish12124@reddit
Ah really? Lol. So thinking she is female wasn't wrong at all haha.
Now it make sense, thanks for the info
Ok_Landscape_3958@reddit
None of them are Greeks ...
bonomel1@reddit
They can do whatever the duck they please, and I can do whatever the duck I please. Which is just not going to see this movie. That's my thought.
tayshiapauljones@reddit
Why not? there are other movies on the same theme to watch if you prefer conservative casting. Simple as that
Quixote1492@reddit
It is missing Pedro Pascal since he’s now in every f… movie.
Electric_Chariot@reddit
jillshiva@reddit
why am i being recommended a post about a show i was never going to watch from a subreddit dedicated to a part of the world i literally could not be further from
fraquile@reddit
Problem with Elliot Page is that he doesnt have a lot of range. So this would br my biggest issue. Lupita is an amazing actress so she will do the job right.
Accurate-Mine-6000@reddit
I can't wait for the moment when Achilles pretended to be a girl to avoid the draft—just to catch one more glimpse of the old, pre-op Elliot.
ElLoboTurco@reddit
damn man...not even us turks did shit on greek history and legacy that much...feel kind of sad for you guys lol
ifm4n@reddit
Had high hopes for this. Now not so much.
Careful-Evening-5187@reddit
I would watch the movie if it featured only POC's and trans actors.
Odysseus' crew doesn't wake up until noon...then they complain they're not given more free shit by the gods.
Wutisthis1@reddit
i know exactly what movie NOT to watch
FillerQueenx@reddit
Lupita was phenomenal in "Us" and is an incredible actress. However as a Greek person I don't feel represented with her playing a white role it's so weird
cagedrage-@reddit
Retarded choices. I'm sure even Lupita laughed when they offered her the role.
At the end of the they it's money tho.
From Brad Pitt to Ellen Page as Achilles is weird tho.
Thade2k@reddit
clown
Icy_Support9533@reddit
Slop, pure garbage, not cinema. Why do does hollyweird always have to race swap, uglify, and make it gay?
Any_Neighborhood8778@reddit
Its like fake slaves monkeydonians claim to be greek Macedonian.
PublicPalpitation618@reddit
YogurtMany9287@reddit
It’s gonna bomb big time this casting will be memed hard. I know I’m going to get downvoted for this cus this is Reddit and they don’t like right leaning voices….
Far_Country_1629@reddit
Ridiculous. Full stop.
Thade2k@reddit
horrible cast, how the f do we get rid of holland zendaya and lupita???
Fluid_Credit6437@reddit
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Super-Examination-17@reddit
Did they try to cast Dylan Mulvaney as Aphrodite? 🤣
2kokuoyabun@reddit
well if a white fella plays Jesus.... why not🤩
Gorluk@reddit
They make this type of casting decisions based on buzz it would create (engagement over this type of decisions is always through the roof, doesn't matter if it's mocking jokes or whatever), not based on caring for minorities. Systems and structures behind all of this are still racist as hell.
wubladuba@reddit
I love when Balkan reactionaries come out. The casting isn’t confirmed we don’t know who they are playing but either way who cares. Nolan is an artist he is putting his spin on a centuries old myth. Nobody can take away Homer from the Greeks and I’m tired of people pretending this is offensive to their heritage. There have been a bunch of adaptations it’s not the worst thing in the world to adapt things differently.
OnTheLambDude@reddit
Elliot Page is clearly a real man, I mean, just look!
Disastrous-Mix-5859@reddit
Don't they have any ethnic/mixed Greek/Mediterranean actors in the US? It's after all a big country you'd expect it would be possible to find some.
Idol_Four@reddit
An absolute farce.
DardanianGOD@reddit
Greeks have not protested at all about this. What a shame.
Specialist_Spite_914@reddit
Non-issue
Independent_Taste839@reddit
It's hilariously ridiculous. Another movie that'll absolutely bomb at the box office.
Jacobmeeker@reddit
Strange but whatever she’s pretty.
Acrobatic_Door_2421@reddit
E. Page is terible actor.
crooked_cat@reddit
I was always taught Helen was a little bit different..
Like, seeing her is wanting her, above all logics..
About Achilles .. I’m afraid my misogyn is already to much for many hhhh
matrixioe@reddit
Από το κακό στο χειρότερο
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
eh,
I don't care.
nothing will "surpass" the original, anyway.
(it's good they're doing this tho, further "spreading" Greek influence on our behalf).
sorokii@reddit
Nobody’s watching this gonna tell himself “this is Greek culture “
SOHONEYSAME@reddit
foreigners (by this I mean countries further away, not Balkans or Turkey, in our neighborhood) "associate" Greece w/ mythology, history, democracy, etc.
films like this "re inforce" this image.
it's kinda like the Turk shows thing, but we don't have to lift a finger. (& it works better).
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Greeks where gay
sorokii@reddit
As all the ancient world, if you didnt know
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I know, I am one of them gays.
But people saying that this is some is funny because 1) yes this is not "representation" I rather watch Dante and Ari or Jagged Minded or Nimona or a lot of other movies 5 times in a night that watching 30 minutes of this "we got you" movies made by so called allies, 2) there are great queer movies that don't recycle a story.
Same is true for the black people.
So who are those "woke" movies even made for.
Money laundering for sure.
Please don't talk about profit and just let our people do movies for us.
CommieAlert@reddit
Greek lgbtqia+ agenda is working /s
Franz_Ferdinand02@reddit
Historically greeks were black. So I like it
suriyelilerigotten@reddit
Disgusting
stevosteve@reddit
Eliot Page is a good actor. Don't think I've seen Nyong'o anywhere else
Electrical_Turn7@reddit
It’s pretty annoying tbh. There are ways to promote racial equality that do not involve misrepresenting my country’s history for Gen Z brownie points.
GavinGuile01@reddit
I'm don't think it's going to be worth pirating, even for free I'd rather do something else for 2 hours. If you want to ignore the source material then why not have Terry Crews as Helen?
TheFace5@reddit
Simple and pure american wokenism
Thin-Rope3139@reddit
Super weird casting. Might be the movie I will be actively avoid seeing.
Interesting_Prune513@reddit
wack casting
nezhp@reddit
🤣🤣 Ellen Page i cant
ddaattuullaa@reddit
J-Lo as Agamemnon or we RIOT
cesam1ne@reddit
It's an obvious woke ejaculate..a deliberate travesty intended to provoke.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean yes.
There is a difference between black and queer movies and woke
Ask a black average guy about their opinions on the movie or a queer person about this move.
Neither would be happy.
cesam1ne@reddit
Page is a transsexual. An ex woman who underwent sex change procedure
neo_genocid_gen@reddit
So agenda, no filmography?
cesam1ne@reddit
Yea
AcceptablePromise242@reddit
Well.. Real Greek were Black and gay. That's normal.
MajorEmploy1500@reddit
So you know it will be a racist show and not worth watching
Tsifter@reddit
I feel offended that Asians are not represented in this movie. Jackie Chan would have made an excellent Achilles.
v_is_for_vixen99@reddit
Was really excited about the movie, not anymore, sadly won’t watch it now.
EXiBE-@reddit
This whole movie is a shit show. Bad costumes, bad setting, "controversial" castings. How much of this bullshit do they have in store? More and more people refuse to watch movies that include these race-changing, lgbt forced content. And not because they hate them, but because according to the movie industry, 2 in 3 people are in the so called spectrum. Because every medieval time movie has different ethnicities no matter the location.
I do not hate anyone. I have nothing against these people. I just hate having things shoved up my throat every single movie/series I watch. It's not even equal anymore. In almost every single villain role, there is a white male casted. Isn't that oppressive to us? Wtf have I done to only be represented as a scrupulous pos? I don't know man, every thing is worse and worse in quality. Movie scripts have been dogshit for decades now. Even the ones screening books, because they have to be "adjusted" for our time.
alasw0eisme@reddit
Achilles is jacked, I approve. I don't care about Helen. You guys need hobbies. You're like pensioners "damn kids ruined cinema myeer" complaining about everything.
DarkestGrave@reddit
Брат той е травестит…
alasw0eisme@reddit
Май не знаеш какво означава тази дума. Аз знам кой е Пейдж. Не съм вчерашен.
DarkestGrave@reddit
Май си малко педалче
alasw0eisme@reddit
Не е така. Ебах майка ти снощи. Питай я.
DarkestGrave@reddit
Малко трудно без хуй бате. Ама ти си джендър така ли иначе…смятам че нямаш патка дори
alasw0eisme@reddit
Миличкият колко е зажаднял и само за моята патка си мисли 😂 Няма да ти пусна . Пий си хапчетата.
DarkestGrave@reddit
Кви хапчета? Ти си депресара дето си мисли че всичко в живота не струва. Тва е projecting бате. Бягай при психолог молим те.
steve17123123@reddit
this is the only one who should have the role of Helen why would it be anyone else ???
40yo_pojke@reddit
So, one more cinematic marvel I will not be watching.
LarkinEndorser@reddit
Elliot page does not look like a Greek demigod. Unless dude just puts on a TON of muscles and the custome department outdoes itself
Vermax98@reddit
Live-Method-219@reddit
If they can't find proper actor, why don't they just ask Snow Kong to play the role
kanaryasiken_aslan@reddit
elliot page is hilarious damn
MysticEnby420@reddit
I'm just disappointed they didn't at least cast a Greek actor like Stavros Halkias to play Odysseus.
Roy197@reddit
I am really struggling to see the audience that wants to see this kind of casting I think it's just controversy baiting to make headlines rather than get a a specific audience demographic if I was black and wanted some representation I would be 100% happier having an original script made for me and my heritage with casting who shares the same heritage.
And let's play devil's advocate here and say that you know what during casting this actors with their talent prove that they are better for the role even if the don't have the same facial features as the imaginary person they are portraiting even then some actors like the girl that played snow white was awful to watch and her facial expressions belittled a verry beloved role that another actress would do numbers
Roy197@reddit
This also happens the other way around sometimes look at gal Gadot for example she can't act for shit
Steinar8@reddit
That it is another anti-White movie.
Opening_Buy2270@reddit
Think it's enough for me not to watch the movie. I want to watch ancient Greece, not modern LA
Remarkable_Fee_1020@reddit
Yes let’s watch a movie about Ancient Greece with Irish Americans as leads. That makes more sense
Opening_Buy2270@reddit
They can always use standard literature english and vocabulary
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Like why they don't make a movie for each of them actually centred on a story about someone like them because I would have watched both of them and I am white and cos but I do watch movies with only black or mostly black cast and trans centred movies.
And believe me is hard to find a decent trans centre movie.
Either_Television143@reddit
Then go and make the movie of your dream yourself. Nolan has the money and certainly does exactly that. If you don't wanna watch it, don't. Easy.
Opening_Buy2270@reddit
That's exactly what I am going to do, why are you triggered?
Either_Television143@reddit
I am?
mihor@reddit
desibidesi0909@reddit
Why did this nonsensical question popped in my feed. Secondly, I don't care which actors play what role and you shouldn't too. It doesn't matter, neither today nor in 100 years time from now. The actors, the filmmakers, and the general politics that promote talking about skin colour don't care about you. Neither Lupita, neither Elliot, nor Nolan. You are nothing to them random Redditor, so don't waste your thoughts or tell us to waste our thoughts thinking about this absolutely meaningless question. They could hire Ramesh from Microsoft Support to play Odysseus for all I care.
Just love your family, have your hobbies, work until you are 60 and pass away peacefully. Don't think about skin colour. It's irrelevant and doesn't affect you.
Substratas@reddit (OP)
https://i.redd.it/hfrg7v7exb0h1.gif
MammothTrifle3616@reddit
One thing is for sure, I won't spend my money on a ticket for this film. Nolan used to make good movies but those days are faaar gone.
ESC-H-BC@reddit
Fine.
Sakurazukamori1@reddit
Will there be a wooden mouse instead of a horse?
RadioSupply@reddit
As a bisexual, I’m gonna have a great night at the movies.
Interesting-Ad-4636@reddit
Lupita is a stunning looking woman, but c’mon now😭
Lucker_Noob@reddit
This seems absurd and idiotic, and doing no favors to either diversity or black people. Wolfgang Petersen's Troy (2004) did it right.
elligrthx@reddit
It’s not about a black person in specific playing Helen of Troy. It just sucks ass overall to make a movie out of GREEK mythology and not 1! Greek being included. Lupita is just the tip on the iceberg
yeetde_smartcontract@reddit
It's always a white man dominating a black woman never the other way around in popular movies and shows. This isn't representation it's a subliminal message to the black women to fetish and worship the white man.
Majestic_Owl2618@reddit
Wanna see commentaries from Greek people 🍿😁
d3fiance@reddit
Ellen Page as Achilles is genuinely hilarious
baron_spaghetti@reddit
I wish him the best but he both lacks the acting chops and doesn’t look healthy.
EternalyTired@reddit
That's not a biological "he".
Critical-Push-8834@reddit
Serbs gonna serb
EternalyTired@reddit
When you're a pos and have no real argument based in biology or reality, turn to ethnic hatred to defend a fragile sense of self-delusion...
anythingcirclejerker@reddit
The only pos here is you lil bro
DarkestGrave@reddit
User name is fitting for you
Critical-Push-8834@reddit
I am sorry great serb
elektricniorgazam@reddit
Ne blamiraj se/nas
nikannibal@reddit
Ofc Serbia
CommieAlert@reddit
"He" is never biological it's always socially constructed.
jonsrb@reddit
Lmao keep telling that to yourself
CommieAlert@reddit
Why?
ResidentOwl1@reddit
There are no gendered pronouns in Hungarian. It’s just ő for both. And they’re doing just fine.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Chill bro no one asked
merdeauxfraises@reddit
And...?
NixarDixar@reddit
Its ok
Majestic_Owl2618@reddit
Greek people want to get born backwards seeing that
Fantastic_Dance_4376@reddit
For one hand IDGAF, on the second hand, It doesnt seem too far fetched. Troy was in Anatolia, what today is Trukey, the people at the time had darker skin and black hair. History as with many things has whitewashed lt and somehow made them greek ¿? Europeans werent always "white", historically they had darker skin and hair. And for Achilles, he was gay, so a gay/trasgender person playing him doesnt seem off
Imaginary_String_814@reddit
next Ryan Gosling as Malcom X or Mike Tyson pls
Inside_Marketing268@reddit
One of that many movies, I won't be watching, so- ok. Until it's ok for most of viewers- I'm ok with that.
TLT44@reddit
Ragebait the movie.
Tilladarling@reddit
Hers is simply not suitable as «the face that launched a thousand ships» and he looks like he needs treatment for an iron deficiency
bubulika@reddit
Elliot page is a shit actor
Complex-Following405@reddit
And you have no issues with waspy looking anglo-saxon Matt Damon playing a Greek? GET REAL!
alteransg1@reddit
I consider myself pretty liberal, but this is not ok. Americans have gone completely insane with their cacophony of ethno-racial identities. They would classify most of the Balkan people as POC, but at the same time as white-priviliged. They claim to embrace diversity and call out cultural appropriation. But only in certain cases. Other times it's ok, because of something that happened in America. The people of Eastern Europe must agree with their morality, even if they have a completely different historical experience. Meanwhile, when it's a historical movie about a black queen, the history gets extremely sanitised in the movie.
DarkestGrave@reddit
I agree, but Nolan is as British as they get.
green_panda_5345@reddit
am i the only one who doesn't give a flying fuck? seriously get a life, it's a Nolan movie, it's probably gonna be good regardless.
I swear like 80% of the people complaining are just in denial about their own racist tendencies. but hey, this is just another tuesday in the balkans
Narcisistagohome@reddit
Subverting the symbols and values of myths is a narrative tool as old as myths themselves. In fact, it drives the evolution of Mythology. This is also comically over the top provocative. 10/10 IMO.
Additional_Claim1431@reddit
Don't care, i wouldn't have watched it either way
Kingslayerreddit@reddit
Idk why they have to Americanize everything.
DarkestGrave@reddit
Love it when the British try to push their propaganda on the world. It’s like aren’t you done with your imperialism and white guilt? Fuck off. And Achilles? More like Twinkilles. Page has the bone density of a squirrel.
Efficient_Test_8907@reddit
Who cares, no one is going to watch it.
Eastern-Award-7273@reddit
Hopefully, but muricans are a zombie society and slaves of "famous" people.
Ecstatic-Quote-3532@reddit
Came to the comments to see how racist and transphobic this audience was and boy, you guys didn't dissapoint. Eff-off.
CataphractBunny@reddit
I think the movie needs more submarines.
Lidge1337@reddit
So, now cross roles are fine? I thought Scarlett was the devil for being rumored to play a trans person.
DarkestGrave@reddit
So a twink-ass trans playing Achilles and the a black girl that looks more like a man than anything else is playing the woman that caused a 10 year war? I’m waiting for the furries to appear. But what can you expect from the British? All they produce is white guilt garbage and colonialism.
AdamBerner2002@reddit
I am not mad about the Lupita casting, she’s gorgeous!
TaTTooBoj@reddit
Californication.
Sashpeto@reddit
Well I won't watch it so I don't care .
Waiting to see how the modern audience this slop is targeted at doesn't go to watch it and then they blame racism sexism and the teletubbies for it .
Intrepid-Baker7879@reddit
My thoughts is they went woke bcz The Agenda! "oiii Nolan, change the race of Helen and the sex of Achilles..or else" And Nolan completely agree! I hope this trash will flop
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Eliot is a man.
AdamBerner2002@reddit
I can’t believe the guy who is half god, was baked as a baby, was made invulnerable by dropping him in a river, killed half of the Trojan army single-handedly after his boy-toy died and was killed by an ankle injury is gonna be played by a trans actor. So unrealistic.
__jigodie@reddit
I don t think Nolan wanted this, it was imposed by Hollywood
Careless-Situation68@reddit
its a joke imo
WrongCustard2353@reddit
There is no way Elliot page is gonna be cast as Achilles. My Achilles ain't no twink.😭(No offense to the actor.)
Zestyclose_Ad8420@reddit
they should have only hired albanians
Remarkable_Fee_1020@reddit
I don’t see what the issue is, would it Be better if an Irish American played the role?
dragecs@reddit
My thoughts are: "No."
thebeardedmojo@reddit
is this a joke?
Legal-Stranger-4890@reddit
alleged.
I am not going to get wrapped around a chariot axle. over something alleged.
In any case, someone should make a version that os historically and ethnographically correct, using Greek and Anatolian actors. If they do, we should judge it on its authenticity. That is not what is going on here.
cestmoinea1999@reddit
Honestly, Lupita can nail it. She’s a better actress than the original. As for Page, it’s just that Brad Pitt set the bar so high, i don’t think can be matched.
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Any man who played Achilles before would have set the bar too high cause...well...he was actually a man
Substratas@reddit (OP)
?
kotarak69@reddit
Elliot Page is a woman
mrluks@reddit
He is not. Macedonian.
kotarak69@reddit
She actually is a woman. I don’t know about the macedonian though, the name surely doesn’t sound macedonian but hey, she might be.
mrluks@reddit
Was a woman, I called you a Macedonian to purposefully miss-identify you as you do to him. It's just ridicilous.
kotarak69@reddit
It is ridiculous, I agree but I don’t miss-identity her. A woman cannot become a man and vice versa.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
A ape is not a human an Bulgaria is a country of apes.
mrluks@reddit
Why not?
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Zato sto su hromozomi nepromenjivi botardo. Mozes da odseces kurac i ugradis sise ali u sustini ostajes isto samo spolja zapakovano drugacije + mentalna oboljenja
kotarak69@reddit
Because it is biologically impossible. We are born they we are and we cannot change that yet. Maybe in the future it will be possible for man to become a woman and the opposite but we don’t live in that reality yet.
Taqqer00@reddit
And an ottoman can not be Bulgarian
ImportantResponse0@reddit
He is a man
Individual_Formal130@reddit
No it's really a dude.
JarJarBingChilling@reddit
It’s a little boy who’s super self-conscious of the fact that a trans looks more masculine than him so he has to make such comments online to feel better
Mother-Astronaut8784@reddit
Womp womp
Hatapata_1104@reddit
You have no idea what i look like and the OP asked for an opinion and i gave him mine so fuck off libtard
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Eliot Page is not a man
Cookiesend@reddit
That was an arrow to a heel.
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Honestly i hope the movie flops cause not a sigle sane and healthy person wants to look at this woke trans agenda bullshit
magiundeprune@reddit
"anyone who doesn't agree with me about what movies we want to watch is sick and insane" and you think you're the normal one, bud?
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Nobody is stopping you from watching it
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Casting a trans man as a man is the trans agenda? Damn I never knew
Would you prefer he be Helen of Troy?
Cookiesend@reddit
He can cast as a trans man any movie.
sekula04@reddit
Possibly Patroclus because gay.
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Trans man is not a man and never will be
Prior-Flamingo-1378@reddit
I don’t mind. I do find page not fitting for Achilles because Homer suggests that Achilles was quite bulky which Eliot well…eerrr isn’t but other than that I’m fine. As long as the movie is good I couldn’t care less about skin color, sex, gender etc.
Cookiesend@reddit
Casting is a crazy job at Hollywood these days. I
Hatapata_1104@reddit
If you are gonna make historical movies based on true events by casting people based on agendas, your movie should fail.
Prior-Flamingo-1378@reddit
I agree. Good thing the odyssey has nothing to do with historical fact then. Or do you really think that there are cyclopses on Greek islands?
No_Aesthetic@reddit
God I hope there were, I doubt they would suffer fools like that other guy gladly
CommieAlert@reddit
Wdym? Elliot page is a man also? But he is way too skinny and way too white-murican if that's what you mean.
Hatapata_1104@reddit
Bro if you think Elliot is a man then i have news for you
CommieAlert@reddit
Ofc he is! What's the news?
Either_Television143@reddit
Why spreading such words, that show how narrow minded you are currently? It's embarassing really. I suggest you take some time and build up some knowledge, empathy and yes, self-confidence. I have no idea what exactly you are defending here.
Hatapata_1104@reddit
I am stating facts, a person cannot change their cromosomes. All they can do is remove/install dicks and change pronouns but your body is biologically stays the same
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Best cast Nolan could do was Ortega and Stalone.
Short-Situation-4137@reddit
Absolutely fucking horrible and I hope it flops HARD !
oxingames@reddit
Nothing special. They for sure look like greek and mediterranean people 🥀 But yeah I'm not gonna hate like other people do, it's just an american adaption of this famous story. No one claimed that it's gonna be accurate so I don't understand why people get this mad. Not that these people are completely wrong, but cmon
hihimorius@reddit
Lol, and after seeing the movie, all the people will be convinced that the Greek Helen is black
pilose-sre@reddit
If a literall godess of love and sex ever promises me the most beautiful woman in the world, I would not have even remotely expected this rendition.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Ortega and Stallone would worked better.
loukastz@reddit
If Nolan wants to showcase Achilles as a glory seeking megalomaniac whose vanity and anger led to the death of so many people, then the casting may have some extra thought behind it. Taking away the image of a beautiful glorious warrior helps this vision. The movie will reveal if that is the case.
The same goes about the choice for Helen. In the Eris Apple mythology she is a trophy as the most beautiful woman in the world. But in epic and dramatic poetry she is just a trophy, she is the reason so many people died and the character's tragedy is that she knows that. Maybe Lupita was the only actress up to the task to achieve that part striped of the "universally most beautiful woman in the world"aura.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Two words. Stallone and Ortega.
BacGmen@reddit
They should make movies about historical old african women instead of this stupid shit
Smooth-Anything8941@reddit
Looks like it is not quite correct...
Helen was probably white.
Achilles was 56 years old, covered in scars and missing one eye.
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Stallone as Achilles considering what you stated would have worked best.
Ortega as Helen too, mostly because probably she can match Stallone acting.
Remarkable_Fee_1020@reddit
Nolan makes exceptional movies. I’ll watch it, after all it’s a story , who cares what the actors look like.
Bodul_Brain@reddit
Honestly, I couldn't care less. Art shouldn't be restricted by race, especially the classics. Why let race dictate who can or can't act? We’re talking about ancient Greek myths —anything goes as they are more symbolic than factual. I wonder if Asian theaters hire Caucasians for plays about Troy? People need to get real and stop being so easily offended.
Karakondjul1111@reddit
Complete shit. Everything is getting worse by the minute - its sick
jackisback111@reddit
Intresting, they aren't in the newest trailer.
Itchy-Artichoke-1213@reddit
I mean, the story's been told to death. You'd better do something weird if you're making a version in 2026, or what's the point? I didn't love either Wuthering Heights or Frankenstein from last year, but they are much better than another slavish BBC type retelling of the books.
pi4katimaterina@reddit
ekelhaft.
vanoitran@reddit
Elliot Page as Achilles is actually genius because canonically he is supposed to be a twink that pulled off pretending to be a woman for months in the court at Skyros with almost no one finding out.
hihimorius@reddit
In Iliad...
boyshutter_irvs@reddit
i know that we have no idea what language the trojans spoke or who they were but im almost sure they werent black. not for or against racebending but id love to see how this turns out.
elektricniorgazam@reddit
Lupita is one of the most beautiful women I have seen in my life and Elliot Page is a great actor, so I don't mind. Boston Odysseus on the other hand is distracting as fuck
spRitE86--@reddit
wait they actually cast her as achilles??? I thought that was a joke!!
Substratas@reddit (OP)
Allegedly.
k3id0@reddit
Is this for real? Please tell me you’re kidding
Substratas@reddit (OP)
Allegedly.
Extension-Detail-258@reddit
Who are these women? And why isn't the one playing Achilles also black?
Spiritual-Can2604@reddit
I’ll be boycotting that bullshit. They’ve gone way too far w this agenda.
Killergamer7@reddit
I've mentioned this before but no way this is the same man that wanted interstellar to be so accurate that actual scientific papers were published during its production. There already were historical inaccuracies in his works (Dunkirk) but this film looks like pure ragebait and Nolan gathering all his friends together to roleplay as ancient Greeks
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Yes.
Everyone knows that Stallone should have played Mario.
molindevent@reddit
Idk what you were trying to accomplish with this post but I think most people from the Balkans don’t really identify with Ancient Greeks the way you seem to think they do, at least not any more than other Europeans do
Like I’m sure some online racists are about to prove me wrong but if the fact it’s a Hollywood movie wasn’t already enough of a clue that it has basically nothing to do with the Balkans, that’s kind of on them
merdeauxfraises@reddit
You can dislike casting choices of a film without being racist btw. The same discussion took place for LOTR-related adaptations, which takes place in an entirely fictional world with fictional races. Yes, some of the commenters WERE in fact racists, but others were just cinephiles or Tolkien fans who respected the original descriptions. Opinions don't have to be good or evil by default, this isn't a cartoon world that we live in.
molindevent@reddit
Nobody’s saying every single person criticizing casting is a card-carrying Klan member but we all know how selective this outrage magically becomes whenever a Black actor gets cast in something
Btw Tolkien wrote fantasy novels shaped by the biases of his time and place (and race). Or what, are elves white in real life too?
merdeauxfraises@reddit
The elves happened to be a fair skinned race, but that doesn't mean anything. Elves aren't even the perfect creatures they 're made out to be. Tolkien made the corruptible and scary at times. He still created dark skinned human nations as well. His most "ethical" beings are trees so non-humans lol, which tells us a lot about the regard he had for humans in general imo.
I agree with your remark about black actors though. As I said, some commenters definitely are indeed racists.
molindevent@reddit
I mean correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the main dark-skinned human groups in LOTR (the Haradrim and Easterlings) written in a very "mysterious eastern hordes serving evil" kind of way? Not exactly a glowing example of racial representation 😅
And that’s kinda my point. Tolkien was a product of his time. You can appreciate his worldbuilding and still acknowledge that parts of it carry very obvious old European assumptions and orientalist tropes. Pretending the source material itself is some perfectly neutral sacred text that adaptations must preserve at all costs is silly
santashentai@reddit
Honestly I think it is fine as long as they don't say it is a historically%100 accurate movie. I am too employed to get angry over a Hollywood movie.
Aside from these, I am kinda sad for Elliot. Playing in a movie that will be talked among balkans practically free transphobia. Most people are not disliking it because he is not the race Achilles needs to be but because he is trans.
toombs7@reddit
If its not historically accurate, I will not watch it. So I do hope they cast a real cyclops to play that role, and not a human, or CGI.
santashentai@reddit
LOLHDOAJDOAJ
but seriously, I would understand%100 if people were mad because of the race. But seemingly they are just angry cuz he is trans. Like, do they even know achilles' story? He is a Cannon pretty boy and i think elliot is pretty.
gorkemlideniz@reddit
ニガーズ IN TROY
martvez@reddit
It is done so the white people would be more open to have third world immigrants in their native countries. It is all about cheap labour. That's the whole idea of Globalization.
Alexsrbn@reddit
Bigger fish to fry out there mate. For example, we could find out who on the Epstein files r*ped babies. That would be a good start
gorkemlideniz@reddit
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bunaciunea_lumii@reddit
Next: Idi Amin played by Leonardo di Caprio
aeaf123@reddit
What do you think about seeing humans as only skin deep?
Outrageous-Nose3345@reddit
Usual Wokiewood shenanigans...
can-i-pet-that-dog25@reddit
I love it and all the tears being spilled here
Any_Table9811@reddit
I honestly don't care anymore. I'm so over of wokeness that I can't even pretend to be angry. Like sure back in 2015 maybe it would be weird and I would try to look at it like "what's the point?". But if any progressive thinks this means anything in 2026 during the second Trump term and war happening all over (partially because of America) I just have to chuckle. Let the movie makers have fun, I just won't be watching it.
Btw that doesn't mean that I wouldn't care about real issues like affirmative action being reintroduced because I'd still not accept a lot of progressive policies as a liberal based on rational grounds. I just don't care to waste braincells or emotinal peace over symbolic issues. This doesn't matter.
magiundeprune@reddit
There's a thousand other actually terrible aspects of Nolan's artistic vision for this film but everyone's too busy losing their minds over a Black Helen and a rumour about the casting of the very minor role of the ghost of Achilles. This fits the definition of mass hysteria.
The-Slayer03@reddit
Fuck em both this is a Greek story not a woke fuckers dream
dwartbg9@reddit
rayoflight110@reddit
Luv it - it is another nail in the coffin for the Wokerati as it will be a mega flop.
Haunting-Watch8240@reddit
If they cast were entirely Chinese, Hellen would be more of a Hellen, and Achilles would be more of an Achilles. This is ridiculous. It's a display of American race and sex politics, not a depiction of an ancient Greek epic.
RustinSpencerCohlee@reddit
Hollywood and The Academy are so fucking hypocritical and performative when it comes to these racial topics lmao.
When it comes to history, Hollywood had been incredibly racist. Especially the Academy was so fucking insane, you can check the statistics of the best lead/supporting actor/actress wins throughout the years.
There are problems of representation in Hollywood. There had been, and there still are. But what do they do with that problem? Do they honor the african culture by producing many mythological and historical movies about them? Do they remake those movies where white people played the black characters and make them correctly representative about african characters? Fuck no, why would they bother with that, right? They still produce white culture movies but now they put african actors in it so that they could say "Hey, we are not racist anymore! Look, a black person is playing a white person!!!" and call it a day and they think of themselves as woke and activist. And some people cheer, some people get mad. But the thing that is constant is that the production companies make money.
I personally don't care that much about these topics in general, I think they are pointless. But when I see people being like "Look at Troy! They got it right in that movie!" and put Diane Kruger's, a german actress', picture as a greek semi-goddess I chuckle because that's still not the correct representation of greek mythology lol Hollywood sucks at representing cultures other than american.
MrDilbert@reddit
Hiding the outrage-baiting behind "artistic licence" and "different telling of an old story", just to stay relevant and to get people to talk about the project. Completely unnecessary, and it's hardly going to attract more people into cinemas.
MugiBB@reddit
This feels like a rage bait post. But it feels like cultural erasure and kinda weird offensive casting in general. Most Americans act like Greeks aren’t real people and don’t understand the cultural importance of these stories to us.
Bulky_Wind_4356@reddit
That is not Helen, and that is definitely not Achilles
Infamous_Reporter_71@reddit
Horrible Hollywood slop
Bright_Will_1568@reddit
Same as on Jesus with wavy blond hair and piercing blue eyes.
Krasniqi857@reddit
hollywood sickness of pleasing their out of touch shareholders and weird degenerate trends
ImportantResponse0@reddit
I mean like:
For the first photo the actress should have played in a movie about black people like there are a lot of movies that catch attentions about Balck people. Lupita Nyong'o maybe could have pulled some action, some historical movie about slavery, something else. People do want those stories too.
And Eliot, why we aren't yet receiving any romance drama psychological movie about how it feels for a trans insecure person to date? I want something like very minimal but intense, like something that make you feel the story and shows that sometimes trans men ask themselves if they are men enough. I want to see the mind of a trans person.
Look When I Saw The TV Glowing and The Blackening both works because is made for the target audience by the target audience.
I want more like those, or like Black Heat.
I want to understand how is to be of that minority not to see a out of place person in a movie that is about a overdone subject.
chocolat-viennois@reddit
As a Greek, I genuinely don't give a damn. There's mythology and then there's Hollywood. I will treat this movie with the same respect I treat fanfics
RaidersGunz@reddit
Im not spending money on watching it in the cinema because of the actor choices. I pretty much dislike every choice.
But I will watch it, on the free movie website 👀😄😄
NiceOil1588@reddit
They will not stop untill everyone stop buying products or channel memberships.
Purple_Nesquik@reddit
Grow up and get over it everyone.
unlivedbread@reddit
Couldn't have made worse casting choices
DMmeUrPetiteBewbies@reddit
Looks like it was more important to be woke than to have any semblance to history. Itll just be another sh!t woke hollyweird sh!t movie.
Giannis_Dravis@reddit
Black superman and white panther coming next. Cause we already have black captain America.
Equal-Row-554@reddit
In fairness, at least Sam was captain America in some of the comics. Captain America isn't about race. Well, nor are superman and black panther (in the comics, though it wouldn't make sense in the movies) in technicality. Casting superheroes who are not defined by their race as a different race to their typical portrayal is quite different to casting a historical figure as a different race. The two simply are not comparable.
Educational_Wear4355@reddit
Tamam da knk , ne alaka?
Paokaras04@reddit
I stopped pirating games when Steam made it cheap worth and easy to buy games. Looks like I have to keep pirating movies for years.
UnpetiteChaton@reddit
I won't bother watching it
anton_d66@reddit
Honestly, don’t give a shit about the background of the cast, as long as it is thematically and creatively consistent, like Bridgerton for example.
That being said the vibe of the movie feels incredibly off. I hope it works in execution, but I don’t have high hopes about it.
myrainyday@reddit
I guess it's ok. That's the decade we have very pro LGBT and transgender etc. also there has to be a strong independent African woman as a leading actress or having a strong Supporting role. It's trendy.
Kebabenjoyer3@reddit
This movie is gonna be so ass
Aluuvian@reddit
Like this...ngaf
https://i.redd.it/ty3vjvxwhb0h1.gif
ImportantResponse0@reddit
Is Nolan job to have opinions, so thank you but I am not qualified.
Pendiro@reddit
Wow really? Was frustrated knowing about Helen actor, but this is not Achilles, some movies have to take history into consideration. Hope it goes well in theaters
Tulipanzo@reddit
I'm of the strong opinion one his supposed to see performances before forming opinions on it
LetRevolutionary271@reddit
*At least* they made Achilles a twink.
hilmiira@reddit
Mytologically accurate
Sumr4kMusic@reddit
The role that was supposed to be the manliest fucin man ever,played by this hollywood experiment.Im not waychon this bs.This is one of the greatest stories of all timw and they do this.
Teabx@reddit
This shit is turning into some woke project. Might actually be the first Nolan movie that flops.
VatanKomurcu@reddit
i crashed out about this earlier in some other sub not too long ago, but tbh i prolly wouldnt care if i didnt hate the aesthetic of the whole project in general.
HorrorEnvironment203@reddit
It’s acting, the cast shouldn’t make sense “genetically”. In ancient greece all women were played by men. In Shakespearean era all women were played by men. You make do with what’s allowed.
cabbage5555@reddit
Sounds like a bad joke but it's the yanks. It'll be a shit "spectacle" anyway, regardless of the actors. Nothing artistic about the movie except that it'll look good
Inevitable_Mess_563@reddit
I aint watching crap with that sad sack of an actor with mental problems.
TrygveRS@reddit
Don't care, won't watch.
SlavicRobot_@reddit
Dont know why they are even remaking the original, it stands up amazingly to this day.
This bullshit however is basically the same as Gladiator 2, some half assed money grab that uses diversity as a marketing tactic.
Good_kiddd@reddit
You lying
GambleADD@reddit
At this point i wont be suprised to see Densel Washigton playing Jesus.
BlueNotes25@reddit
People when Hollywood whitewashes non white people : ...
Big_Confidence_951@reddit
Let's just see it first, maybe it's good.
mrluks@reddit
Same people that are upset now werent upset when non greek English actors played Greek heroes back in the day. So I dont care.
neo_genocid_gen@reddit
Stari, uvalio si se preko glave sa tim izjavama
Incha8@reddit
blonde achilles was bad aswell, I'll always complain about blatant historical inaccuracy
Avtomati1k@reddit
then you should know that he was described as blonde in the illiad
Incha8@reddit
thats a misinterpretation, fair simply meant brown. there is in no way any description he was blonde, and there is no historical base to believe he was.
Starfalloss@reddit
The stunt double for Brad Pitt is literally a Greek Άρης Κοντός lol
merdeauxfraises@reddit
He's literally described as fair haired/blonde by Homer, what do you mean?!
Mucklord1453@reddit
I thought it was a joke and meme, but they really are going to portray fair skinned and haired Helen of Troy with someone who is as black as can be?
dorobica@reddit
Excited to see the movie 🙌
Fantastic_Low_1537@reddit
Is this a joke?
Christopher Nolan is not dumb.
He wont fuck up his own movie for no reason
neo_genocid_gen@reddit
That is a really good question..
StageFrequent4868@reddit
Next upcoming movies: Adam Sandler plays Nelson Mandela Jim Carey plays Gandhi Jackie Chan play Martin Luther King Owen Wilson pkays Chairman Mao John tarvolta plays Joan of Arc Samuel L Jackson plays Chief Sitting Bull
Raphael1987@reddit
neo_genocid_gen@reddit
Stari, pa što je ovo? Voliš stavljati taj kažiprst u određena mjesta?
VigilanteRabbit@reddit
I can't wait when we'll start taking African/ native american/ whateverism stories/ movies; and start casting nordic actors/ actresses.
sleep_geometry@reddit
I don't think I could care less.
Tripokosmos@reddit
I honestly went to check if the post is correct or is a ragebait too. Dammit it isn't.
hxl004@reddit
Nolan is big on epic experience so we’re in for hands
ndrzbk@reddit
If I were Greek, I would be pissed. What a shameless disrespect on cultural heritage..
Ethelserth2@reddit
As a greek i like Nolan a lot, but this casting choices at least kill suspension of disbelief.
FriendshipRemote130@reddit
wasnt Helen a white ginger
i swear the americans need to stick to their own continent
ferkli2@reddit
Lupita is beautiful and in a special way, so at least something in common with Helen. But god damn if this lil guy did not bulk up like a mf it is crazy to cast him.
Individual-Review-77@reddit
I think Menelaus would say that there is no need to fight for this woman and he wouldn't fight. Where is the beautiful Helen? I don't think there will even be a bar fight for this woman.
Buxnazz@reddit
0 fucks given for trash Hollywood industry. They are creatively bankrupt for decades, rehashing shit all the time, ofc they are doing this now because this is their idea of originality, change the skin color of characters....LOl...
DrFrosthazer@reddit
I hope this is a joke.
Fair-Confection4411@reddit
👎
In_the_name_of_ART@reddit
If we take out all controversial shit about the actors skin color the movie will definitely be bland, forgettable and unoriginal. With cheap looking costumes/sets, mid acting and washed out colors.
_barbarossa@reddit
Yesterday I was doing a little research on Septimius Severus, a Roman Empire who died in Britannia but was born in the Roma province of Africa. I was asking questions to Anthropic’s AI LLM, and it was trying to tell me he was African and proud of his African roots etc etc… when pressed it completely folded and said “OK there’s no evidence. All scholars agree he was Punic… but could there possibly be a small chance of Berber DNA, maybe.”
lol, they’re so desperate to make things African that when sub-Saharan is out do the question the latch on to the next non-Greek peoples that ever existed in Africa.
Hairy_Addendum7789@reddit
And they wonder why Hollywood is dead.
palavestrix@reddit
I don't mind Lupita because I personally find her beautiful and worthy of waging a war, but Elliot is a ridiculous choice for the greatest warrior of all times
PsychologyMany7100@reddit
Who cares? Its a movie
I_saw_you_yesterday@reddit
Is this a joke?
ihatelag01@reddit
Who gives a fuck? It’s a blockbuster movie not a documentary.
BattleGoose_1000@reddit
Neither seem like the intuitive casting.
StatusFoundation5472@reddit
I think is cultural appropriation.
MaarkoCro@reddit
First Nolan movie I wont be watching. Nothing against actors but I cant see it working well in Odyssey at all. Also not a fan of "3d painted" "armor" they shown in trailers.
Substantial-One1934@reddit
I'm not surprised with Hellen but this boy playing Achilles is a bit shock.
Sufficient_Ebb5192@reddit
I don't need to have a opinion before seeing the move as i don't posses the vision of one of the best directors of all times, nor can I imagine in advance their great acting, nor all other factors that contribute for a great experience.
Dimi7rozavar@reddit
I would tell you but then I'll get banned from reddit again.
bluexxbird@reddit
Has almost every race and genders except the Mediterranean ones and real male and female.
love2readafraid2post@reddit
It's time for Eminem to play MLK.
Isaruazar@reddit
Little mermaid lest we forget. Nuff said
mihaicbnk@reddit
elliot page lmao
NeedHelp_653@reddit
Simple, not gonna watch it for multiple reasons
Gauss-JordanMatrix@reddit
Eh, I prefer this casting to alergic to sun Angloids playing Mediterranean people.
Sikk_o@reddit
What a embarrasing shitshow
Decent_Advice_4340@reddit
I aint watching that woke shit
Noxfroid@reddit
Totally Bullshit
Hoodinski@reddit
murican slop
Infamous_Dish_4348@reddit
Clown world gonna clown
Federer91@reddit
It would be the worst Nolan final, but it was bound to happen. Even the best lose their saneness at some point.
IneedComfortplz@reddit
"Oh no, a foreign retelling of a work of fiction is not how I want it to be. Why isn't the daughter of Zeus, that speaks English not white?"
h3lion_prime@reddit
I feel like I'll enjoy this movie, the way I have enjoyed every Nolan movie so far.
I don't care about political correctness, and I don't feel like nitpicking every single detail just to have something to hate.
It's a goddamn movie, not a documentary. If Greeks don't like it, it'll be their problem.
No one is going to miss their money, because this movie is still going to score big.
Do I sound like an asshole? F__ck yeah, I do, that's the idea.
But we've gotten to a point where we cant enjoy anything anymore because of loud whining mouths screaming left and right.
If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Savings_Dragonfly806@reddit
Modern Hollywood is a mistake
Derion1@reddit
Degeneration.
TheAntiCato@reddit
This will either flop hard or do well and get roasted to oblivion
ImmediateFee4015@reddit
As a Greek: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH who cares skip
M4SS-4FF3KT@reddit
Brad Pitt isn't Greek but nobody batted an eye him playing a Ancient Greek Mythic hero.
CommieAlert@reddit
He is neither ancient, greek, myhtical nor a hero lol
sorokii@reddit
Lol are serious ? He fitted the role of Achille being white and blonde
Bourbonmmm@reddit
simandicoasa_silvi@reddit
it's bullshit
ThingCandid9553@reddit
Ia this ugly ahh bih supposed to be the catalyst for the Trojan war?
jhonnytheyank@reddit
Deflated boobies lol.
Environmental-Pea-97@reddit
Wait what? Isn't that Ellen page showing off her now-gone boobs?
Tandfeen_dk22@reddit
My opinion? I won’t watch it, because it’s stupid and pushes an agenda.
konrov@reddit
F ed up
Marshall_BraveStar@reddit
This is peak forced diversity
Criycleia@reddit
Well as a person who live in the same historical place it is really funny to me. Because these lands rarely seen that tone of black skin people. People genuinely do not know that kind of colored people and majority never seen it other than that we dont give damn who cares put a cotton candy as an actor.
Apart-Temperature329@reddit
I mean, wasn't that silly horse a joke to you as well?
Criycleia@reddit
Make it pony at this point and put rainbow on top that movie I would go to watch.
shko-der@reddit
Make the horse a Benz too
wretchedkitchenwench@reddit
I don’t give a shit man, there’s people dying
Necessary-Bit4839@reddit
I dont watch such trash
Effective_Push3271@reddit
Awful
jamesmb@reddit
I can't think of anything that I could care less about.
It's just a film. There are kids in each of our countries who will go to bed without enough food tonight. If this is what you're getting upset about, you've really got some weird priorities.
Don't like it? Don't watch it. Let people who want to watch it, watch it. Move on with your life.
No_Aesthetic@reddit
Maybe if Brad Pitt played Helen of Troy and Lupita were Achilles everyone would be satisfied
Page can be King Agamemnon
Let's shoot for the Moon here
Active_Unit_9498@reddit
I’m down to watch the movie before I decide how I feel about it.
krsCarrots@reddit
🤢 🤮
EdgeofAss@reddit
Write that down this movie gonna suck big time
undeadfella@reddit
Based as fuck
Tony-Angelino@reddit
I don't have any strong feeling about this. It's their money, they can hire whomever they want. And on the other hand, watching this movie is not obligatory. If you don't like something about (any) movie, then just don't watch it, as simple as that.
Nazgul_1994@reddit
I just get reminded every year why i no longer watch movies. I used to watch movies, especially with friends literally every other day and i knew most movies comming out. In last 8 years i barely watch any movie.
yamidevil@reddit
And those two aren't the only jarring problems.... Ofc it's a no no watch
ramanthan7313@reddit
I dont care about, just want to see a good action movie.
Interesting_Key9946@reddit
Ok I won't watch it. I've decided.
thanasis87kav@reddit
They're wearing the skin of the western civilisation epics and they dance to ridicule them.
SuperSerb07@reddit
Overrated Nolan trash as usual. Just like Batman but worse. Batman was actually entertaining and had its moments for sure but I don’t put it on a pedestal like everyone else. Aside from Interstellar and Inception, I don’t find his movies all that appealing however I don’t fault those that like him. Everyone has their own preference.
evacOrbis@reddit
fucking blasphemy
spallettioutista@reddit
I wished I had died sooner (in italian: "speravo de morì prima!")
hhanz0@reddit
I thought that was suppose to be a joke?! Oh boy am I wrong…
hardhuca88@reddit
f**k this sh*t, im out.
Ok-Elephant-9075@reddit
G**d th*ng we *re n*t t*lk*ng like th*s all the t*me.
PeaceTo0l@reddit
Must be budget issue.
CheezDustTurdFart@reddit
Oh fuck off with these posts. I thought they were done with. Rage bait ass bots trying to rile everyone up over a piece of fucking fiction.
PantalonFinance@reddit
What's with this shit?! Where the fuck is the Mediterranean part of these people?! Say what you want, but greeks are mediterranean not fucking africans (I love africans, but Christopher Nolan is an idiot). And Achilles' actor is such a weak and non-masculine guy that plays the role of one the most masculine and powerfull guy in history. I mean, yeah, he/she is a transgender, but why the fuck would you put him/her in the role of Achilles. Have some dignity and respect history you dumb fuck Christopher Nolan. At least put a more masculine transgender if you want to go with this c*ap.
Sir_Potato2000@reddit
The film is based on a book that rewrites the characters and their personalities. I'm not surprised. I'll give the film a chance because it's Nolan, but I was initially very skeptical.
Character-Pirate1297@reddit
I’m all in, if that’s a cast of an Odyssey movie, inside Nolan’s actual movie.
kravinsko@reddit
I do not particularly care If they act the role well then they'll be good, if they don't they won't
I don't want to watch the movie because it looks like shit, not because a black woman and a trans bloke are in
MrOphicer@reddit
Imo the movie has way bigger problems than casting.
Lupita is a powerhouse, so she might nail it in this highly stylized interpretation of the source material. Elliot on the other is just an ok actor. Besides Juno, everything just consistently unremarkable.
I think this and Troy have very different aproaches. So far Troy still look miles better, and feel like Nolan overplayed his hand, victim of his own sucess. Whole thing just coalesce into something great from what was shown so far.
kotarak69@reddit
So Achilles is a trans now or whatever the definition is? 😄