what’s a car opinion you’ll defend forever?

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Upper-Professor-8717@reddit

Car safety standards should be 80% based on the safety of people OUTSIDE the car, only 20% the occupants.

In order of priority: pedestrians, cyclists/motorcycle/human powered vehicles, then other cars.

This mentality would penalize and limit: - vehicles with lower visibility - vehicles with excessive weight - vehicles with excessive height and size - vehicles with angular designs and sharp corners, blunt surfaces if impacting somebody on food

That would then make cars also safer for other drivers.

I’m not American so it’s not that these were ever common here - is it the OJ Simpson one?

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keithrc@reddit

Nope. Higher center of gravity, don't drive like a sedan. Maybe that's not important to you, but it is to those of us who are pissed off we can no longer buy an affordable wagon.

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Superhereaux@reddit

Higher than a sedan, sure, but lower than a traditional body on frame, full size SUV

Most crossovers are based on similar unibody hatchbacks, just with a higher ride height. First that comes to mind is the older Volvo V70 (Versatile) wagon from 25 years ago, the XC70 (Xross Country) was the same vehicle with black bumpers, fender flares and an increased ride height. All were AWD but the V70 had it as an option as well.

Mazda has their Mazda3 hatchback, and then they have the same car, the Mazda CX-30, which is essentially the same car but with black bumpers, fender flares and an increased ride height.

Some may argue a hatchback and station wagons are two completely different styles of vehicles, but most would say it’s the same thing but one is a compact, the other a midsize.

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FishFingerAnCustard@reddit

I don’t think you understand what a wagon is and why a jacked up abomination is not a suitable replacement.

A wagon is a full size saloon/sedan, however the roofline of the cabin remains a consistent height until the rear bumper, where it then heads vertically down. Some have a single hinge point and the entire rear panel, trail lights and all rises for a big rectangular opening, others have hinge top and bottom so the lower portion becomes a bench.

This configuration keeps all the handling, low rise height, aerodynamics, 5+ people in comfort and RWD that saloons enjoy while being able to cart 2400x1200 sheets.

A hatch is a similar style, but are based on the compact, fwd, small engine/light weight, kids only in rear set settup.

Saloon is what you call sedan in the US. It’s a British vs American English thing. Being none of both, I kinda use whatever I’ve gotten used to hoping people understand what I am saying.

Wagons are called Estate on British for example.

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OldeWorldWays@reddit

Variants/estates/wagons are far superior to the saloon !

My parents had their 66 Dodge Coronet wagon shipped to Europe for our stay in Italy and Germany in the late 60s/early 70s and as a kid I remember crossing the channel via Hovercraft with it to England where my cousins hadn't seen such a large car in person.

My 04 VW Jetta/Bora Tdi wagon/variant/estate/kombi is more of a scale model in comparison but I don't have 5 kids to carry either.

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Zestyclose_Panda_886@reddit

My parents had a Mazda 6 wagon that was a manual. It was kind of fun.

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nadanutcase@reddit

They were useful, but the problem with most wagons (at least the old school ones) was that they were body on frame construction which made them pretty heavy, resulting in poor mileage.

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twelfthfantasy@reddit

Subaru turning their wagons into SUVs ca. 2010 ruined the brand for me.

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Hulk_Hogans_Toupee@reddit

I moved an entire house in a Volvo wagon over a week. Chairs, mattresses, boxes, etc.

When the movers came, only the big stuff remained (fridge, washer/dryer) etc.

Fukken same

Hulk_Hogans_Toupee@reddit

Cool.

Let me finance it for 84 months at $1000 a month and barely be able to afford to pop my BumperNutz on it.

Oh yeah, can't wait to pay $80+ per fill up.

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AwarenessCharacter27@reddit

My ranger cost me 20,000 and gets 24 mpg i use the bed all the time.

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Hulk_Hogans_Toupee@reddit

So you're a member of the 5% that actually use a truck for....truck uses.

Notice also that you bought a Ranger, which is a smart, utilitarian truck and not a giant F 250 with a lift kit and neon light rims.

You actually have sense.

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other_view12@reddit

Do you work hard to be a jerk, or does it come naturally to you?

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Lawineer@reddit

Eh, once you have a pickup, you can’t imagine life without one.

I got a 2500 for a daily plus tow vehicle. Then I got a dedicated tow vehicle (f550) that stayed hooked to the trailer permanently. I kept the 2500 because it just has too much utility. Mind you, I didn’t have a pickup for about 20 years before this, since college (where it had a ton of utility).

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WuTangwhite426@reddit

Maverick is not a truck lol.

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NoLawAtAllInDeadwood@reddit

And most don't need a truck at all. Any size pickup truck is worse than almost any car or SUV in almost every criteria that matters for driving/utility/cost.

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MostlyBrine@reddit

If a pickup truck is so much worse, why are people still buying them? Maybe because they’re good at something that you cannot figure out, because you do not have that need? I started many years ago with a compact sedan. After we had a kid, we added a minivan. The sedan was replaced by a station wagon, then the station wagon was replaced by a crossover, then another station wagon was added. Last month I purchased a Ridgeline, as our use cases have evolved. None of these vehicles were new, they are all paid off, the extra insurance is peanuts compared to the convenience of having the right vehicle for the right need, when you need it. All of them can be use to putter around town or get groceries. One are better suited than others for specific purposes. I would like a small EV for the cost of the comute, however the math does not work for me at this time. Maybe in the next few years, something will come along and one of the other vehicles will be exchanged for an EV. Most likely the crossover.

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Hulk_Hogans_Toupee@reddit

People buy trucks, get them lifted, put bumper nutz on them, etc.

They buy crewcabs with tiny short tailbeds that can barely hold a fucking Yeti cooler.

They are not using it for anything, aside from testosterone replacement.

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MostlyBrine@reddit

People buy muscle cars that cannot fit anything in their trunk, have them lowered, cut the cats and make them louder.
Teenagers buy ancient Civics, double their value by replacing the exhaust and scrape the asphalt. All for the same endocrinological reason. Is undeniable that some people are overcompensating something. Trucks are not excepted from that rule. Nor are the Teslas or the BMW.

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HedonisticFrog@reddit

They’re hugely practical

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Lawineer@reddit

I feel like those full size vans were better. You got a real engine and actual storage space rather than the minivan. They weren’t much bigger. Certainly not big enough that it became a problem to drive around town.

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McBeaster@reddit

Wow never seen this take on the internet before. I'm sure now that you have pointed it out, people's buying habits will change!

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kingofthesofas@reddit

This is true but try convincing someone that just doesn't want a minivan to get one.

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antaphar@reddit

Yeah I’ve had this conversation with multiple people. They just think they’re not “cool”. As if anybody looks at someone driving a minivan and thinks they’re not cool. Or sees them driving their VW Atlas or Kia Telluride and thinks that they are cool. I think in general people think that others think about them more than they do.

My problem is I actually got an SUV for size but actually go off road for my hobbies now. I fish, cap, go to desserts. It’s awesome. Even today I went fishing and got a half mile close than a minivan could with a SUV.

Also SUV handles way better at highway speeds.

I am not a soccer mom. I actually am a guy that needs a modern SUV.

My only problem with SUVs if that lost people don’t need them. They need a hatchback but they just look dumb. I appreciate VE brought back the van. You could buy a great Corvette for the same price.

We need cheap car again. No touchscreen. Just Apple CarPlay and back up camera. Make it lightweight. Turbo inline 4. Make the trunk ugly. The engine bay ugly. The wheels ugly.

A kid out of college should be able to afford a new car and an apartment with a roommate. At this point a kid out of college can afford a car or an apartment. Thats stupid.

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ishouldworkatm@reddit

Except off road ability

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_X5

"The BMW X5 is a mid-size luxury crossover"

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

"BMW X5 - Large Comfortable Family SUV" -BMW

Turns out, in everywhere that's not-America, it's a SUV, but in the land of the fat is quite small.

See also: Wikipedia is edited by internet users, I could go edit it to say large SUV right now.

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mrsclausemenopause@reddit

X5 is a crossover because mechanically its a 5 series sedan on stilts.

A "real" SUV is truck based but not some dependant, a Suzuki Jimmy is real SUV and tiny.

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

That's the biggest pile of bollocks I've ever heard, and I've been on Reddit for quite a while.

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mrsclausemenopause@reddit

So do you disagree that a x5 is a 5 series or that a Jimny is on a truck chassis?

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

I disagree with both because they're both utter bollocks.

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mrsclausemenopause@reddit

The first gen X5 was pretty much a E39 and the current X5, 5 series, and 7 series all use the same CLAR platform. Its a car crossing over to SUV proportions.

But you can just say bollocks again without defining SUV or crossover or, considering monocoque vs body on frame construction

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

SUV is sports utility vehicle, it's supposed to be a monocoque, body on frame would be trick / off-roader like the land rover disco.

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No_Win7658@reddit

No it’s not. It’s one of the first SUVs ever. Before SUVs you had real offroad vehicles.

But I see this view on history quite often with Americans.

What do you call a wrangler, defender or landcruiser then?

What do you call all these shitty FWD Jokes ?

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naturalpasta@reddit

It’s a difference in the type of frame used. You have unibody frames and body on frame. Both can be used for an SUV configuration but for different purposes and benefits.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

It’s one of the first SUVs ever.

WTF no, the CJ was one of the first SUVs ever.

What do you call a wrangler, defender or landcruiser then?

Those are SUVs

What do you call all these shitty FWD Jokes ?

Crossovers, just like the X5.

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No_Win7658@reddit

No, look it up. cJ is a terrain vehicle - so are the ones I mentioned . SUV Is pretend - one could argue the XJ was the first suv because it was aimed at asphalt to.

reptomcraddick@reddit

So, SUV'S straight up didn't exist until the 80's, did no one do anything off road until the 80's?

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No_Win7658@reddit

So much this! As if pickup owners all farm and suv owners all offroad - thry don’t , because of thry did they would get a real offroader.

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Weird_Chemical@reddit

4th gen Mitsubishi Delica

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saskyfarmboy@reddit

Not even off road...off highway.

I live in an area where 4x4 isn't strictly necessary, yet extremely helpful, at least 5 months of the year.

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ishouldworkatm@reddit

And even on the highway, I’d rather be in a X5 than a V class (driven both as rental this winter)

Minivan are nice but you have to know their limits

SUV and crossover is the most balanced thing for everyone

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Salt_Efficiency5843@reddit

Minivans are great for kids.

TrueKing9458@reddit

Everyday

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Friendly-Inspector71@reddit

What are you towing that you need an SUV for?
The average person isn't towing anything.

A small hatchback can pull like 1,2 tons.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

A car trailer.

Is that supposed to be 1.2 tons, so 2400lbs? I don't think there's many small hatches rated for that sold in the U.S. And even then I wouldn't want to, towing with a FWD is sketchy, and worse when the weights are close.

I also tow quite a bit with my sedan, but it's a RWD based full size.

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Friendly-Inspector71@reddit

The US has a weird obsession with putting a lot of weight onto the hitch, requiring quite beefy rear suspension.

Our 1.3 ton (2800 lbs) camping trailer is balanced to put between 75 and 100kg (165-220lbs) on the hitch.
The only problem for our sedan was steep hills, but revving it out in 3rd was part of the fun for me.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

Yes we do, because we understand that putting more weight on the hitch makes it more stable. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Lbx1_sjXIfU

A general rule of thumb is a minimum of 10%, your example is well under that.

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Friendly-Inspector71@reddit

I know about such demonstartions, its also about weight distribution to the centre and not at the front or rear.

The 10 percent is a good guideline, but a lot of hitch weight, makes it hard to move the trailer by hand and influences the cars stability a lot more.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

You can't lift 280lbs?

Every modern vehicle sold in America is a 100,000 mile car at a minimum unless you're unlucky enough to get an outlier or a dogshit owner. Even the brands I would never fuck with like Chrysler will get you where you're going for 100k minimum. If they don't, it's usually your fault.

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cizmainbascula@reddit

The bar is in hell with 100k miles lol.

I’m live in north America now but back “home” in Europe a car started to be considered higher mileage (but not necessarily a piece of junk because of it, mind you) after 200k+ miles.

But there were mostly diesels which generally last longer so there’s that

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What year pick up trucks is the question

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Hail_of_Grophia@reddit

13’ Silverado and 19’ F150, currently driving a 26’ F150 RCSB - love it

croppedcross3@reddit

I had a 2014 forte that i sold with 280k on it that still had the original timing belt. I feel like a big part of it is actually keeping up on maintenance.

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tw4200@reddit

Lol, says to keep up with maintenance but didn't change his timing belt in 280k. good one

Thanks for your input but no thanks.

croppedcross3@reddit

I had a 2014 focus that i sold for essentially scrap value with 80k miles because the transmission kept going out. Fixed under warranty once at 30k, fixed on my cost at 70k, and then it went out again at 80.

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PossibleMechanic89@reddit

Did Toyota have an option with those Tacoma frames? I thought their hand was forced.

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Clydesdale_paddler@reddit

They did not have an option, but they've always settled class actions out of court in a way that benefits consumers even though they could probably save money by settling with the plaintiffs exclusively. I know they're trying to protect their reputation, but Ford doesnt seem to care about that even.

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MountainFace2774@reddit

That was true 10-20 years ago. I think most new cars are fine, but there are some absolute dogshit powertrains being sold now that sacrifice reliability to get another .5 mpg.

Anecdotal, but I know of three different people in my life that owned Chryslers made in the last 10 years that the transmissions didn't make it past 50,000 miles.

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Aye_Davanita12@reddit

I dunno.

Kia/Hyundai with their grenading engines isn’t a good look.

I’d never ever touch a Chrysler product with the Ecodiesel, I personally have known 2 people whose engines have required replacement at the 100000KM mark.

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Small_Sight@reddit

I own two (gen 3) ecodiesels and they’re both over 100k miles and they’re my favorite engine I’ve ever owned. Never once even a CEL on either of them. But the gen 3 is 80%+ completely redesigned from the gen 2

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Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit

25+ year master cert auto tech here.

The longer oil change intervals, lack of education about what actually needs attention vs what is a ripoff, and the general way that automakers do not address typical break points in their vehicles adds up to a lot of vehicles not making 80k before theyre oil burners, have dropped a trans or both.

Theres a lot of factors that go into it, but to say they easily make 100k is a lie.

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quit_fucking_about@reddit

I was a 12 year master cert auto tech. Not as long as you, but long enough my take isn't that of an armchair expert.

In my opinion, we're the worst judges of expected reliability, because the nature of our work biases us towards interacting with the minority of vehicles that experience significant problems early, while it's still worth bringing the vehicle to a shop.

A survey of 50,000 junked cars nationwide was performed by Junk Car Medics in 2023. The average vehicle was junked at 156,000 miles.

There's definitely a high enough volume of vehicles failing before that mark, it kept us in business. But we're working on the outliers, not the norm.

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Many-Pomegranate-33@reddit

Yeah thats true.

Honda civic with big fucking wing and a spray can paint job? Fuck yeah, this guy doesn't have much money right now, but he's personalizing his ride and HE thinks it's cool.

It doesn't matter if it's cheap/poorly executed or a 5 figure mod, if you take the time to modify your car because you're an enthusiasts, you're a rad ass dude.

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JCFT_Collins@reddit

adding ducks the the dash or your Jeep Wrangler? GTFOH with that stupid shit.

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make-j8@reddit

How about not being a nuisance?

Most modifications to the exhaust sistem are most likely that. Where I live, eastern EU, commie blocks everywhere, if someone drives at 3am with a "modded" car it sounds like they're right there with you, in the room. Sounds resonates between the concrete structures that go on for miles.

No thanks. Those modifications are illegal with dual purpose: environment (what ever, a few modded cars don't make any significant impact) and stopping noise pollution. If your car wakes up half a neighborhood just because you're an "enthusiast" you would be just another asshole.

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sendme_your_cats@reddit

That's why my exhaust is valved lol

Not to mention there are SIGNIFICANTLY more straightpiped/modded civics on the road than there are GT3RS's. It wasn't really a well thought out comparison in the first place.

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doc_55lk@reddit

Yea

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make-j8@reddit

OE exhausts and even AM street homologated exhausts have to meet strict sound regulations. At least in the EU (maybe in the US too, but I don't live there so I don't know). That means, under *normal* driving conditions they are reasonably quiet. GT3RS too.

How do I know? There are plenty of them in my city. They don't wake you up in the middle of the night from just driving around. Straight piped GolfRs with a bit o tweaked ECUs? They pop and bang at legal street speed continuously.

No matter where you live, even if the US has this whole freedom thing going on: your personal freedom ends where it starts infringing upon others freedom. I have the right to sleep at night, regardless of how you feel the need to express yourself via car mods.

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When people tailgate you it means they want to go faster. Let them do it, give them space, indicate you noticed, and maintain constant speed. No passing zone? Not your issue! Their license, their risk.

Also, merging is a technically the issue of the person merging, but you can still be courteous about it. Either speed up/down or switch lanes to give people space. FYI in some countries zipper merge is not an option, is mandatory, risking license suspension if caught.

Sounds to me like you just have some ego issues and you're looking for a cheap excuse.

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Weary-Astronaut1335@reddit

None of my commute is on a highway. They can go around if they need to go more than the 10 over I'm already maintaining on city roads, in the lane I need to be in because I turn in 2 miles. Also my entire commute regularly has cops hiding out with radar guns. So no, I won't speed up either.

Giving space doesn't do anything when they don't use their mirrors or indicators.

Sounds like you've got an ego issue if you can't slow down for someone already going 45 in a 35 on city roads.

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Alarmed-Newspaper994@reddit

As everyone else has said, your omission of loud exhausts is negligent here.

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sendme_your_cats@reddit

Explained it right here you goober

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sendme_your_cats@reddit

I get where you're coming from, I'm not really against inspections or engineering approval. My point was more about the culture and philosophy behind car modification.

In America the rules generally put more responsibility on the owner instead of requiring approval for every modification. That gives people the freedom to experiment which sometimes leads to people learning how to fabricate stuff or tune their car out of the sheer passion. Having to get approval for every modification can stifle creativity and passion for the scene imo.

Infotainment centers need less. I mean temperature control, audit, etc. Give me buttons and knobs. It’s fine if you can do both, I just prefer using tactile buttons.

I love my CRV because you can do both. It has a respectable infotainment center but nearly everything can be controlled mostly without it, especially temperature.

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SkeeterDan92@reddit

EVs for for people who view cars as an applicant like a blender.

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afops@reddit

Around 95% of pickup truck drivers don’t need a pickup truck. They need a car and a trailer. They don’t yet own that boat they said they needed to tow…

Wagons are superior to SUVs. Jacked up wagons are the best of both worlds if you need the clearance and awd.

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SkeeterDan92@reddit

Bring back the small trucks!

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Esoteric-Bibliotheca@reddit

To add on to this, in my experience the majority of truck owners also have no idea how to drive them.

Sure trucks have gotten bigger, but they still fit in parking stalls, I am exhausted with seeing these idiots with curb rubbed rear wheels and never perfectly in a parking stall. They are all liabilities and have no idea where their wheels, or front and rear bumpers are.

They claim being higher in the air makes them feel safer, yet they still can't see what the fuck is 3 feet in front of them.

I used to drive pickup trucks daily growing up on a farm and I shake my head at the sheer incompetence these truck drivers show. Its not hard, they just suck.

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EnlargedChonk@reddit

"b.b.b.but a trailer is so inconvenient!" as if their *smaller* bed being 3 feet off the ground is more convenient. Even with an older ranger which had an actual longer bed and lower to the ground than modern "trucks" I was still using a trailer for things because it's just so much fucking easier to shovel gravel in and out of a platform 1 foot from the ground. The bed was useful but even with a bed a trailer was still better in some situations, and if you need a trailer anyway it can be used for most cases where a bed is needed. Shitty harbor freight trailers with walls added on ftw.

"but I do use my truck for X, Y, and Z" good you are minority that actually need a pickup

Now wanting a pickup is IMO a different story, if someone wants to blow their money on a worse vehicle in almost all aspects because the marketing has wormed into their brain then who am I to say no. As long as they're self aware that it's a want not a need. I just also have the right to point and laugh when I see people buying luxury trim "work" things as a fashion statement. It's like wearing "designer" carhartt collabs, it's not actually work wear, but it looks "tough" and "rugged" to people who don't do that kind of work, and it's amusing to me. especially when they complain of gas prices.

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PrestigiousResort711@reddit

95 percent is low

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AngryBeardedMechanic@reddit

I will freely admit that something like a RAV4 would suit most of my needs. But my truck is paid off and runs fine. Given the current state of the economy I'm not going to trade it in either.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

There's a lot to be said for a car and a trailer, I think more should do it that way.

That said, the amount of cars that can tow well has diminished. As has the amount of drivers that can manage a trailer.

Wagons are superior to crossovers, not true SUVs.

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iHaveLotsofCats94@reddit

It's much more convenient to have a truck when I go get stuff for the house, go to the dump, or buy big objects. I would have to find somewhere to park an empty trailer that would sit unused the majority of the time.

Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

To me, an American, a true SUV often shares it's chassis with a pickup.

There's of course grey area, like the Grand Cherokee, I'd consider that an SUV, but it doesn't have a pickup cousin and is unibody.

By cars I mean sedans, coupes, wagons, etc.

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afops@reddit

Yeah I know, the whole "pickup truck is not a car" and "suv's are built on truck chassis" are both Americanisms. I'm aware of them but they make no sense outside the US. We call pickup trucks cars. And SUV's are almost without exceptions just normal cars, like X3/X5.

Most people don't actually need cars, especially in cities. They are just another convenience item that ironically creates everyone's least favorite inconvenience, traffic.

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MrNimbus33@reddit

This is me. I have a supercharged v8 convertible that I drive for fun and on nice days. The EV is for all other times. We have 3 cars for between the 2 of us and the EV gets the most miles/year BY FAR. It's dirt cheap to maintain and charge.

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Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit

I have an EV as a commuter, do about 25k kms per year with it. My wife has an EV SUV for mom/kid stuff. Does maybe 10-12k kms per year. We live outside a city, but have more than enough range for everything we would want to do.

I have an older diesel truck we use for other stuff, like towing the 5th wheel for camping or for other long distance trips where the EVs fall outside the range of practicality (most of the time, they don't, but every once in a while the stars align and the truck is the better choice).

I have a bunch of project cars and stuff, love engines. But for a daily it makes so much sense and even with financing we're net positive after fuel costs.

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For some reason you think experimental EVs are perfectly trouble free.

MB - a tourist who knew absolutely nothing about EVs - launched the EQs with much fanfare and then they fell apart electronically. Some of the worst pieces of shit ever to be inflicted on the public and at staggering and unjustified prices. Kiae EVs were similarly either great or horrible. And usually great THEN horrible.

At the other extreme, the Chinese giants. Know lots about making EVs but virtually nothing about the 80% of the car that isn’t drivetrain. Those things are decomposing in dealers all over 🇦🇺. 2 days after delivery, in one poor bastard’s story.

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keithrc@reddit

As opposed to every new entrant into the ICE car market, which are all solid and reliable from Day One? What's your point?

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TheWhogg@reddit

I wouldn’t buy a car from someone who was gifted the plans to a 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer, figured out roughly how to make one, reached out to the cheapest and shittiest suppliers to source components and has limited experience on staff to diagnose the inevitable problems. In fact it would be such a f***ing idiotic thing to do that I would strenuously counsel anyone else to avoid doing so too. Nevertheless someone I know made that mistake and her car is now falling apart at 30,000mi.

What’s your point? Can you see how the converse might also apply?

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oneofthosepimps@reddit

ICE vehicles have been refined to the nth degree and are amazing technological achievements but are really obsolete at this point. It’s obvious to me that you likely haven’t ever driven an EV.

Happy motoring!

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TetrisPlayer3223@reddit

I have and as mentioned, I hate being only a "suggestion" to what the car does. I hate driving assistance, I hate the touch buttons, I hate the non-circular steering wheels, I hate the big screen in the middle and nothing around, I hate the exterior design. I hate the silence and lack of events.

Tesla owners love OPD and even activating autopilot, if that isn't a characteristic of someone who doesn't care about driving, then I don't know what is. Same goes for other evs, it's the most simplified and minimized form of automotive experience, they are not build for emotion like the muscle cars or 1990s european cars, but instead as a symbol of profit margains.

Everything after e46 is crap and terrible looking. Besides maybe the 1M

Toyota just makes ugly cars. I would take a MR2 over the Supra, more fun to drive, not the best looking.

NSX, RX7, S2000 over the Supra and BMWs

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equitymans@reddit

Toyota supra is arguably the most overrated motor vehicle ever made. Not even close to top 5 cars out of Japan.

I am a certified bmw hater too and I support this messaging 😂

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VideoLeoj@reddit

For what job?

As a DD with some balls, definitely the M3.

For pure sports car fun, definitely the Supra.

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jaraldo3@reddit

Except a MK4 Supra doesn’t handle all that well in stock form.

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CommunityNo3399@reddit

The M3, though the Supra does have the BMW B58 under the hood, which is no slouch.

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

The Toyota Supra...well known for the legendary 2JZ engine...has a BMW engine....

Did you know that there are more crashes when NASCAR races their road courses vs. the big ovals? Sure, the crashes in the ovals are larger, but they are less frequent than the ones on road courses.

I’ve gained a TON more respect for NASCAR, as I have learned more about it. But, it is still far less exciting to watch than anything that does more than “go fast, turn left”.

Is "pretty recently" the 80s?

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

Why yes, yes it is, thank you. We don't see many American cars in not-America, so the 80's really is "pretty recently" when it comes to shaking the "hurr durr they can't go around corners" mentality, especially when even after you learnt about rear suspension, your cars being large and heavy on soft suspension meant they still handled very poorly compared to euro equivalents.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

Don't is not the same as can't. Handling vs ride comfort is a tuning choice, that many American cars choose comfort doesn't mean they can't handle.

Fun fact, a great many european cars that I'd assume you think handle well have copied their suspension from Ford. B sport did a great fid on part of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX-iOTWjLJM, also the revo-knuckle is a Ford creation.

A great many european cars that I'd assume you think handle well use MacPherson struts. A technology invented by Chevy, that today is quite obsolescent, yet most BMW and Porsche still use it.

The first production car with a front engine and rear transaxle was American.

I can go on.

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It's really a question of handles what. Real roads aren't race tracks, they have bumps, pot holes, curbs, snow, gravel, etc. This is why I harp on the strut thing, struts don't really do camber gain. So it's impossible to build a suspension with decent travel that can also handle well when using struts. But with a good SLA suspension camber gain can be tuned with body roll to create a good compromise between handling and suspension travel, like it does is the Charger/Challenger.

AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

Just like the "BMWs don't have indicators", and in fact every single other stereotype out there, it's not plucked from someone's arse, it's there because of observations of those being exactly the sort of people who drive 90+% or BMWs.

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SummertimeThrowaway2@reddit

That’s your personal preference though. A lot of us like the sound and vibrations of an engine

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Esoteric-Bibliotheca@reddit

I recognize that I am an outlier here, I prefer the actual act of driving way more, slamming the gears and hearing the noise makes up about 20% of the fun for me. Feeling the tires grip the road through a high soeed turn, and running my little touge route are much more important to me.

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Rough_Cancel7265@reddit

Hard disagree. I remember my tuned Fiesta ST on good tires very well. I remember my V70R very well. I remember my Focus SVT very well. If I could have skipped all of those? I would have now that I'm here

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ly5ergic@reddit

We have very very different preferences. I haven't driven one, but my top fun car to have would be a caterham 7

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Excellent-Stretch-81@reddit

Amusingly, noise is one of the things I like about my EV. Sure, it's quiet, but because of that I can hear the whirring of the gear box, and I love that subtle, jet turbine sound as I'm accelerating and decelerating.

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irregularcontributor@reddit

theoretically I agree but what models are you talking about specifically? Fast Teslas are miserable to drive. Taycan’s cost as much as a new 911, and I can guarantee which one is more “fun”.

Esoteric-Bibliotheca@reddit

Imagine my surprise when I took the leap on a 2011 Genesis Coupe.

This car is fun to drive and has never let me down, I've only had it for 2 years and we are coming up on 200k Km's!

that was only the older ones

Ironically, the older ones are the ones to get. Accents and Elantras from before the days of direct injection are reliable little cars. They're just shitty lol.

I'm with you though. The internet loves to glaze the Korean cars these days, but I've been working in the auto industry long enough to know that it's a lipstick on a pig situation. They're still junk just like they were 10-15 years ago

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MadDog443@reddit

Nissan is more reliable even though their reputation is mainly from the insane people who drive them.

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GeneralTsaoisChicken@reddit

modern automotive design is intended to gradually lead people toward widespread acceptance of a fascist society.

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VW-MB-AMC@reddit

Old economy cars are just as interesting as muscle cars, sports cars and exotics. If not more so.

Driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow.

Sometimes we see cars with weird and shoddy repairs that make people point fingers, laugh and make fun of both the car and the owner. But those repairs may be just what saved the car from the crusher. The car is still here, and an unfortunate repair can be fixed later. Once they are crushed they are gone forever.

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3dprintedthingies@reddit

Nah. This is a reddit opinion that is just wrong.

A fwd civic can have as much lipstick as it wants, but it's still a pig at the end of the day.

Economy cars that are RWD with a V8 shoved under the hood like the old Vegas? Now we are talking. Those are hot rods through and through.

I'll never accept fwd junk cars as anything more than an appliance.

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VW-MB-AMC@reddit

It may be wrong to you, but it is not wrong for everyone else.

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There are a handful of people like myself who are proper shitbox enthusiasts.

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Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit

Doesn't really matter what the car is, it's going to have enthusiasts.

They might be harder to find as BBS forums die out but you used to be able to just type in "[car name] forum" and find a bunch of dedicated weirdos who knew everything there was to know about that specific model.

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SkylineFTW97@reddit

I'm like that with a few Hondas. Namely the Fit and the 7th gen Accord.

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VW-MB-AMC@reddit

They are very fun. Some of my personal favorites are old Volkswagens and AMC/Ramblers. We have a friend who owns several Dafs and Simcas. They are very interesting.

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SkylineFTW97@reddit

Cut my teeth tearing up DC back roads in $500 auction cars. Some even cheaper. Like my old $250 1994 Honda Civic.

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EnlargedChonk@reddit

oh yeah there's way more that goes into those economy cars than people think. Like sure there's some really cool design that goes into cool cars, but they kinda fall into that "any half decent engineer can design the best X, but it takes a great engineer to make a good X within budget" kinda deal. Like a lot of what makes the cooler cars cooler is accomplished by throwing more money on the project and increasing MSRP. But to make a car with idiot proofing, daily reliability, performance to match the market, etc... and keep it's price competitive takes a ridiculous amount of work.

Backsight-Foreskin@reddit

I was driving an 89 Plymouth Horizon until 2014.

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VW-MB-AMC@reddit

One of our friends had it's European sibling the Talbot Horizon until recently. He has also had a number of Simcas.

My main car is a 1963 VW Beetle.

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GayFilCock69@reddit

Honestly ive realized this some time as well. I seriously appreciate those who maintain their old economy cars well. Those cars just look beautiful and timeless

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MostlyBrine@reddit

With the amount of “new technology” in the newer cars, it is more difficult than ever to do even an oil change by yourself. The old 1997-2004 vehicles are getting more popular with the car people who enjoy working on cars.

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K_Linkmaster@reddit

Any car is fun to drive fast. No car is fun to drive slow. That's the stupidest catch phrase to make poor people feel better.

The better tires belong on the front of my front wheel drive car.

There is more weight on the front, it does more braking and all of the steering. The wheels in back mostly roll.

Yet I'm told the worn tires should be in the front. I have yet to understand this "logic"

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

Loss of front traction can be fixed, you have more control over it. Loss of rear traction is much more likely to result in a crash.

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other_view12@reddit

While that is true, it's really hard to lose traction on the rear of a front wheel drive car. Needing to stop in the wet is common, and the lack of traction there seems like a much bigger risk.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

It isn't, most of all in the wet. The rear gets light under braking and will hydroplane.

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other_view12@reddit

"Your reward for helping you?"

Are you serious? You chose to respond. I didn't call you stupid, I explained the flaw in your logic. You are free to show me where I'm wrong. But getting your panties all wadded up because I disagree is pretty poor form.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

I understand the physics, and it doesn't sound like you do.

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other_view12@reddit

Whatever, my 40 years of driving a front wheel car while doing it this way has never had my rear end slide out.

I understand the physics, and it doesn't sound like you do. You'd have to brake hard to lighten the rear enough to hydroplane, then you have to turn, while doing so.

Haters need to shut the fuck up.

All mods are good mods. A mod is just shows that someone has found something that makes them happy in this world. As fucked up as the world is today, finding a little happiness should be celebrated.

Fart cannon on a Honda? Smile with every rev.

Giant wing on a camry? Smile every time you look in the mirror.

4" lift and mud tires on your miata? Pick the mud out of that giant smile.

Are any of those mods my cup of tea? No. But its not my ride and it makes them happy.

Will I celebrate the mod that makes them happy and congratulate them on the build?

Every Fucking Time.

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Kawasaki@reddit

Automatic transmissions are garbage.

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eSJayPee@reddit

Xenon and LED headlights are far superior to old halogen and DO NOT blind drivers heading in the opposite direction.

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Superhereaux@reddit

You’re partially correct.

A vehicle equipped with OEM LED headlights, from the factory, with headlight housings specifically designed around the LED bulbs, does not blind oncoming drivers.

It's absolutely catering to the worst drivers, AND all the sensors have boosted insurance costs for everyone.

I recently read about Toyota's TSS 4.0 "proactive driving assist" which sounds absolutely like a feature designed to make it easier to space out on your phone.

I believe the safety systems, when they eventually start glitching out from years in the heat and cold, will be hard or impossible to find because they will have long been out of production. This will total a lot of otherwise perfectly fine cars that can't pass state inspection.

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xenesaltones@reddit

Yeah, i got 2019 car and thankfully does not have many safety features, no Lane assist, no tiredness warning, no sign recognition... What it does have is radar emergency braking, it was awful and a couple of times even dangerous, so when it stopped working due miss alignment I was happy to leave that way, I have seen fixes for about £800. I think I'll keep the radar warning light on in my dash forever.

Imagine paying that kind of money for a feature that makes the car less safe

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Possum_Jenkinzz@reddit

Unless they make an exception. Here in Virginia I had to/was able to get an exemption letter from state police for my 1995 Accord for the SRS system. Basically says "The SRS module for this vehicle is no longer available in any meaningful capacity, so this car cannot be failed for SRS related issues."

Although if the powers that be really wanted to force people out of their cars they could absolutely pull it off.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

if the powers that be really wanted to force people out of their cars they could absolutely pull it off.

Rotaries are amazing and there should be more of them.

The fact that this is at -1 saddens me.

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Cautious_Clothes_285@reddit

I don't think you should feel bad, get what you want. But I do hate the sentiment I'm seeing more and more often where "[thing] is a bigger problem than I'll ever be so I don't need to even bother trying" when it comes to environmental sustainability and stuff.

Like yeah it'll take forever for you to match the footprint of that transatlantic flight (which if commercial is shared between hundreds of people) but that wouldn't be an excuse to roll coal in a diesel from stoplight to stoplight or something.

I noticed some roofing company dumped an entire load of shingles/nails/trash on a local ATV trail recently; doesn't mean I should toss my empty soda can into the trees because it'll take me a lifetime of tossing cans to produce the same amount of pollution that they did in one night.

I get that corporations are producing the vast majority of pollution we deal with but I think there's still a balance where as individuals we should be doing the best we reasonably can without really hurting ourselves either.

You think synthetic isn't good for even 6K miles. Wild claim but you do you.

Full synthetic always Mobil 1, Quaker, Valvoline or Pennzoil. Fram ultra synthetic filters or occasionally oem.

On both Tacoma and CRV i started getting thin film of sludge on everything i could see under the valve cover through the oil fill cap hole. Switched to 5-7k from 10-12k and it slowly went away.

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Sad-Ad1780@reddit

I can't argue with direct experience. If you hadn't been running synthetic since new, I do have suspicions about the issue, though.

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ly5ergic@reddit

I've never bought a new car. They were maybe around 70k when i bought them, both clean inside. Both are getting close to 300k miles now. Started with 5k to 6k changes, then switched to 10-12k and started getting a thin film in both. It was mild not some severe sludge. Neither has had anything but synthetic since I've owned them. No one has changed the oil besides me.

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azurebadge@reddit

I don’t trust those side mirror sensors, maybe they’re 99% accurate but I had a 2018 VW that got tripped up during a storm and would’ve got me in an accident if I didn’t check my blindspots

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notalottoseehere@reddit

We need to tax kerb weight, tyre size , hood (bonnet) height and horsepower*.

We need the following car sizes:

VW Golf: will do all suburbanites who dont haul a soccer team, this is the default car size.

Camry: Sales reps. Sedans are quieter.

Minivan: more than 2 kids, taxi/uber.

Hilux: normal pickup for normal contractors/farmers/ people who live in the wilds...

Sports car? Miata is alway the answer..

Outside of that? Commercial use only.

Basically I am calling for the eradication of the SUV. And all luxo-barges....

Smaller than a golf is a bit too small.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

Tyrant much, following in some of that 30s history are ya.

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notalottoseehere@reddit

Hey, prove me wrong..?

N/A engines are better than Turbocharged engines in many cases.

Hybrids are a perfect middle ground for a lot of people.

Being more massive does. I agree for a given mass that a sedan is safer than a crossover. But in a collision a 3 ton SUV is safer than a 2 ton sedan.

Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

Better how?

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rdadeo@reddit

Better efficiency for most drivers who drive it properly, better control of the vehicle in slippery/adverse conditions, more fun to drive, more durable, better repairability, requires more driver attention (less distracted driving) better performance.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

None of those are totally true.

better control of the vehicle in slippery/adverse conditions

Better control comes from freeing up a foot and hand for more important things.

more fun to drive

Entirely subjective.

more durable

Not true at all in the majority of applications.

better repairability

Needs more repairs.

requires more driver attention (less distracted driving) better performance.

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EttanSnuser@reddit

My personal opinion about me being a car enthusiast.

Petrol - My car shall always have a petrol engine. That smell alone may be 40-50% enjoyment of driving a car. (IF I could afford daily driving on racing fuel, I would) I miss the smell of leaded petrol.

Diesels is for tractors and trucks. Enough said.

EVs.. In my mind, I can't have any driving pleasure with just a humm over the vibration and the smell of petrol. I had one as a rental while mine was in the shop. It was like driving a car sim on the PC.

And in my mind, people driving only EV, don't care about driving a car. They use it as a tool from A to B. And I respect them for that.

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Superhereaux@reddit

If you’re smelling fuel (or petrol as y’all call it) while you’re driving, there’s something wrong with your car.

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EttanSnuser@reddit

Hehehe. Yeah I agree. Of course I don't mean smelling the petrol of my own car while driving it. That would be too much. And something would be leaking.

TheRimmerodJobs@reddit

I do agree range anxiety is a big issue for a lot of people and more charging stations will come in time but it also has to do with charge time, which I do think will also get better. Plus if you live anywhere where there are temperature extremes they are not the best. Once some of this is figured out I do think more people would get on board.

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Frustrated_Zucchini@reddit

Even today, the charging time isn't a big issue for most.

Not sure where you are, but in Germany where I live, the average person does something like 25-30km/day... so only really needs to charge once per week at most.

In the UK where I'm originally from, the average is even lower if I remember rightly.

Even on long journeys, normal people will take a break every 2-3h naturally anyway to either get a drink or empty themselves of the drink they had at their last stop, and it's pretty typical to take 10-15 minutes to do that. If you change it for 20 minutes, which is similar to a normal stop time... you get about 33kWh from a common-ist 100kW DC charger, which if you use the average of 5-7km per kW you can do conservatively 120-150km on that 20 mins, which is an hour of driving assuming you can do the speed limit 100% of the time.

With a car that has a 500km (320 miles) stated range can realistically manage 900km (560 miles) with only 20 minute stops every couple of hours.

If you change those stops to 40 minutes, then you're increasing that almost exponentially, because a 56kW battery can do 500km on a full charge, and there are bigger batteries than that available these days.

Even when I drive to the UK to visit family I could drive all the way to Calais, charge for the hour waiting time, then make my way to almost anywhere in England/South Wales without needing to stop more than the normal wait for the ferry. If anything, I would have to stop less than with my ICE which I usually have to fill somewhere in England.

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Automatic for the daily, manual for the „fun car“.

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Mrcostarica@reddit

Yota

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Necessary_Team1217@reddit

volkswagen jetta diesel wagons are cooler than and Chevrolet product

Ford is on top when it comes to trucks and sports cars

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MuleyFool@reddit

The exhaust pipe is the hottest part of ANY auto-body

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lord___fartquad@reddit

Nitrogen tire inflation is a scam made to make people pay for air and that a hill i will die on !

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

My car is better than yours.

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V8-AWD

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Suspicious_Long_2839@reddit

Having a truck when you don't tow or haul isn't any more stupid than owning a muscle car when you don't go to the track.

Lumpy_FPV@reddit

CVTs are fun.

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MPR78@reddit

A man can drive any Toyota and still be a man (It's when he can't change a tire that he loses his man card)

Overkill on the bass is obnoxious , but a good sound system is one of the best aspects of driving

The SUV trend is mostly monkey-see monkey-do. Coupes, sedans, hatchbacks, wagons and vans are much more practical

Giving your hard earned money to a car maker that practices planned obsolescence because they fly the right flag makes you a fool twice. First for screwing your future finances, and two for rewarding their absolutely corrupt business practices

Most guys who drive pickups almost never use them for what they're intended for

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DeltaGrunder@reddit

Despite their utility and having personally benefited as a victim of third world crawling traffic, automatic transmission has absolutely enabled people who absolutely have no business being on the road otherwise.

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elbarbalarga@reddit

24 years ('93-'17) working the parts counter of a euro/asian specialty shop set some of my opinions deep...

Can't talk me into the fact that Hyundai & Kia are decent cars. They're disposable junk (note when I was in that business).

No Subaru in my career was ever a solidly reliable car. 76-82 was axles but great engine, 83-97ish was axles and head gaskets. Now the entire front of the engine falls apart about when timing belts are due... if your head gaskets haven't blown yet.

Finally, Audi. Kept me well fed for over 20 years. If you gave me one free, any model, I'd say thanks and get rid of it by the time the gas tank ran dry.

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PrestigiousResort711@reddit

21 years and fuck anything Chrysler/ram/jeep/stallantis.

Pretty sure it was the Durango that had different brake cables every year for a generation.

The pickups when they were still dodge the balls joints changed every couple years.

The steering gears in the HD trucks had a problem and they had an update but they only did the update if it broke in warranty.

Now the ram trucks are plastic everything, especially the oil filter housing in the intake valley.

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Joe_B_Likes_Tacos@reddit

True

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RecommendationUsed31@reddit

Big screens suck

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Giverherhell@reddit

Buick is as reliable as Toyota and Honda.

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FrozenUruguayBallbac@reddit

Got some.

First large trucks and SUVs are overhated. Yes most people who own them don't use them, yes they would be better off with a Minivan etc. But as what they are built to be they are brilliant at that. Also Full Size BOFs SUVs are the best car if you need a minivan but actually tow and go offroad often.

The best garage is a sports car for weekends, truck for utility and offroading and nice sedan for daily driving.

EVs can be just as fun as an ICE car and people who hate them make no sense.

Nowadays both Paddles and Manuals are brilliant but the only cars where manual are truly superior are sub 300 horsepower hatchbacks and sports cars, like the miata is probably nowhere near as fun with the auto as with the manual and most hot hatches are better with the manual and most shitbox FWD ecoboxs from the 2000s with 120 horsepower are better with a manual. 300-600 Horsepower both manual and DCT are brilliant but 700+ horsepower DCT is just better.

A lot of modern BOF vehicles are actually fun to drive.

We have tons of brilliant cars nowadays, but they are all stupid expensive.

people who say modern cars are dull boring and suck and old cars are better are wrong.

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Buffrider-52@reddit

Stay away from turbos.

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TheLastGenXer@reddit

autoheadlights just encourage driving with no lights 24/7 and high beams 24/7, and all the “driver aids” just makes people pay less attention to driving

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Flash-635@reddit

EVs are the best commuter cars.

If that's the reddit standard for a car guy, then so be it.

There's only two very different applications where I still prefer a manual. Classic pony/sports cars, and heavy trucks. In everything else, I'll take a TC auto.

If you think public roads are just for you to have fun, then you should go to jaul.

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Danielle_is_the_hole@reddit

A manual allows you to have fun at legal speeds. It is wild that you think I should go to jail for enjoying my drive.

There is a reason a clutch pedal add 100k to a ferrari price and significant increases to porsches and everything else.

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

How is rowing gears fun?

There's a reason Ferrari no longer makes manuals.

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Danielle_is_the_hole@reddit

The engagement and control and more that I can’t explain if you don’t drive one.

Ferrari is brining back manuals because a used ferrari is 100k more if it has a manual.

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ly5ergic@reddit

You decided you dont want it before ever trying. Maybe try it?

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YD099@reddit

Traditional gear lever beats all other shift by wire bs.
Cars should always have hard buttons for commonly adjusted functions.

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Aggressive_Deal8335@reddit

If the market wants SUVs, I’m gonna call you a nerd for whining about the practicality of minivans and station wagons. People want what they want, most people are at least a little bit irrational when it comes to a purchase as large as a car, yeah I wish I had an M5 wagon instead of an X5M but here we are and I love it anyway.

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PunksloveTrumpys@reddit

Physical controls for commonly-used functions (Radio, HVAC, seat adjustment, hazard warning, etc) are vastly superior to screens.

American cars and American Manufacturers aren't all junk as many people claim. I have owned German, Japanese, Swedish, and American. American cars in my experience and given how many old and new ones I see on the road rank behind the Japanese as 2nd place for reliability. Uncle has kept driving his Lincoln Town Car since I was 9 and it still starts up effortlessly all original engine and transmission.

Even GM gets way too much hate, I drive a Chevy Traverse (if you can believe it) for work every single day for hours as a fleet vehicle and even as a fleet spec it is incredibly comfortable, quiet for it's class, drives better and nimbler than a Highlander, and takes all the abuse of the forest roads and pot holes on city street without much fuss and has only had one sensor issue and needed a front CV axel in 140,326 miles and only a single rattle source which comes from the speaker area which is to be expected given the abuse it takes daily.

quarter mile times, lap times, top speeds.

Every day if they're a scofflaw.

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Tactical_Epunk@reddit

And where and how often do they get to engage in this fun?

Depends, on tons of things, like location, weather, time, is it a job or hobby, etc.

99% of that cars life is going to be at the exact same places as Toyota Camrys and Honda Odysseys.

Not necessarily, some people own multiple cars, some own cars that they only drive during their preferred hobby, be it drag racing, Rally, Autocross, etc. These cars will spend their entire life doing exactly what the driver thinks IS FUN.

I'd rather have a feature I can enjoy basically every time I use a car than one I can use twice a year.

Great, go buy a Camry or Odyssey, then if that's what you like, no one said you couldn't.

My point was that those things are SOME people's fun. So to remove it from vehicles is kinda silly especially the vehicles that are being advertised to do those specific things. Which isn't a Camry or Odyssey.

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deerhuntingdude@reddit

I didn't get this until I bought a miata lol

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Tapelessbus2122@reddit

miata is always the answer

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MrRogersAE@reddit

Crossover SUVs don’t exist.

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Federal-String-646@reddit

Does not matter then brand make or model, if you treat the vehicle good and it has been VERY well looked after from the start, it'll treat you good back!

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Various_Variety419@reddit

Any American that buys any auto that isn’t on the UAW list is a scab piece of garbage that hates this country and the workers in it. Send your money to foreign companies you garbage Americans.

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_CaptRondo_@reddit

The Hyundai Ioniq 5N is one of the best EVs you can get.

It's true it wasnt as sharp and nimble as the 240, but it was a better touring car for US based travel.

IseeWhereILook@reddit

Probably a hot take, but US manufacturers have two different standards of quality, one for domestic market and another (much worse) for export. I never understood why people from the US actually bought them, but when I began traveling there and saw (and felt) the difference, it became clear. The cars you get in the US are markedly better quality than what is exported.

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prentz9@reddit

You can’t buy a bad new car these days. They’re all acceptable quality. Gone are the days of poorly assembled and engineered new vehicles being available for sale.

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TwoBlackCats42@reddit

ima-rage-quit@reddit

300hp is a lot of hp depending on the vehicle. HP numbers seem insanely inflated these days with how easy it is to buy a 500+hp car, that if you say you have 250-300hp you'll be called slow.

With the right vehicle, this is more than enough power and still enough to make you go "jail speeds" in seconds.

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ChamathBlack@reddit

Kia, hyundai, and jeeps do not get to drive in the left lane on the freeway and start stacks.

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Khidorahian@reddit

If we want to get rid of SUVs and Crossovers, we must support public transport.

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Pidone@reddit

Volvo makes great and reliable cars. Its just about the maintenance.

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Evelinn2004@reddit

Horses over cars😃

(Except when not)

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Modding a car doesnt make it better for daily driving.

American lobbying is ruining society as a whole but has lead to really stupid rules around cars and pickup trucks due to American companies being afraid of True competition.

AMC was a better car company than the Big 3, they just lacked the skilled labor and manufacturing capacity to properly compete.

Buying AMC likely saved Chrysler from folding completely.

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LankyJeep@reddit

I will defend stick shift cars to my last breath, I don’t care sequential or automatic transmissions are faster, they don’t give the same satisfaction to drive

Hot take: Turbo engines are less impressive than a NA engine if both are built, yeah sure 1200hp is cool with a turbo, but an 800hp NA motor is way more interesting and impressive

Asleep_Bell_4317@reddit

Bmwmay have a lot of technology, but they aren’t reliable and burn oil

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TanzaniteII@reddit

Buy new, keep it OEM, all dealer service.

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Hydrogen is not a fuel source, it's a battery.

Hydrogen directly competes against lithium-ion, iron-phosphate, and other battery types, in storing energy that was generated somewhere else. And quite frankly, hydrogen is inferior to all those battery types in every aspect, except for highly-specific use cases.

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danielling1981@reddit

Fun and "fast" cars don't have to be big or powerful engines.

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Excessive idling is bad for engines with direct injection

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Carddan92@reddit

I usually hear the opposite. Can you explain more

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

You spend too much time listening to Americans on Reddit.

The opinion I will defend until disproven- which will be at least a decade down road- is cars are still getting more reliable as a whole. In US, average car lasts 17 years and average car on road is 12. Until it plays out, which it hasn’t and won’t for a while, it sounds like the people claiming automatics always failed around 100k miles, fuel injectors were designed to break and a scam, a little economy car engine with an aluminum block was designed to break at 100k miles etc.

Know it all, wannabe mechanics have always said shit like this. Now we have rage bait. What do you do when the power windows stop working? That sort of shit. Tell me more about CVTs and BMWs!

The numbers bare this out. When I was young conventional wisdom was that automatics were only safe to 100k miles and then had to always fail by dint of their design, sounds a lot like the CVT stuff now. Every single car company on earth has made a glass slush box that sucked at some point in last 30 years.

know someone had never owned an old car cradle to grave whilst depending on it to survive if the word “bullet proof” is thrown around. The sturdy engine block of an old Cherokee is cold comfort when you can’t get your kids to school and you to work.

People who claim the panther Crown Vic is some sort of indestructible superior vehicle- because fleets could dump in fixes to keep them on road I do not take seriously. We were a family of meticulously maintained Ford LTDs- and starting with the boats of the malaise era, they were no longer being traded in every 2 years. We even had one of those Granada PoSs and my mom had a Crown Vic. My uncle was obsessed.

That’s a decent 130k mile car, after that it becomes a money pit. This is why other than some granny Marquis from aughts I saw 4 years ago in Wisconsin, they have been raptured from road. Also, the Caprice was comprehensively superior in every way. The LTD wasn’t disaster- outside of the obvious safety and fire scandals- but as someone who rode in every gen and knew very fastidious family members who owned them for years at a time- the weird “LTD lasts forever” stuff would be for most people like some guys boasting about the McDouble being the most awesome burger on the planet. Sure it is.

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Playful_Elk3862@reddit

Cars today are to big and heavy! 🙃

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Heavy_Gap_5047@reddit

*too

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CruiserMissile@reddit

Built not bought means exactly that. It means not just a bolted on spoiler and body kit. Not just walked in and thrown a heap of money at mass produced bar work. Not a shit exhaust that’s bolted on to a stock manifold, or a shitty set of rims. Have some pride and actually do something flash and not a shitty example of car “culture”.

The problem is you don’t really now. Some do, others are kids that just watched BS on YouTube.

I commented on a Volvo sub recently. These guys were also saying Volvo is reliable and bmw is plastic garbage. The facts and stats heavily contradicts this , but the problem is they are not rational - they are blind fans of a certain brand. We probably all are to some extend. For me it’s mostly Porsche / BMW / Miata because correct wheel drive … so indeed don’t take social media as factual , ever. You can ask but you should validate on things like JD power

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TetrisPlayer3223@reddit

Never, and I mean never take opinions from social media when it comes to cars. You can even ignore mine. You know how to average person is a moron? Yeah well that transfers to the car community and you hear stuff like "only Toyotas are good" "all audis are shit" "never buy french cars" etc etc etc from people who don't understand what oil does in their engine.

There are many great recources online though: - Youtube channels such as ChrisFix, M539, Different car reviews, GearheadBrian, and many more which provide factual and useful information which can help get into cars and servicing them

About your claim regarding sports cars. You have many many sports cars with very good reliability, for example the Toyota Celica (it's an older one I know, but mechanically very simple), a newer E46, Audi A5 or even a Peugeot 407 Coupe. One thing I would like you to know is that all cars have upsides and downsides, you just have to know about them and be ready to replace things that will need replacing.

Even the most basic Toyota Corolla can be the worst car you've ever had if it hasn't been maintained - No oil changes, no washing and it can get easily expensive.

But yeah TLDR: Don't listen to social media, do your research and search for facts, not opinions

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No_Win7658@reddit

The exagerated adoration of toyota online. The brand has been having it’s fair share of reliability issues. No problem for me and it’s still a reliable brand - its just not what some people on social media make it out to be - it’s not magic. Thry do make mistakes and thry do need proper maintenance .

No_Win7658@reddit

No you said EVs can’t be exciting and you said there are zero good wagons. You wrote it man, why is it this hard?

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

I said, and I've gone back to get the quote, that EVs are "as exciting to me as a washing machine", which is my personal opinion of just how goddam boring they are to me, if you find flooring it in a straight line until your drivetrain falls out exciting, then you do you. As for good EV wagons, I've yet to find one, and despite asking what your (apparently amazing) choice is, twice, you've failed to answer...so...

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No_Win7658@reddit

Ok kiddo - I have a taycan ST. Considered by most car journalist a real sportscar , exciting, fast on a track AND a wagon .. and it’s not exactly only going fast in a straight line. My only beef is actually that its to competent because even with electronics deactivated the ass will only move that much . I know it’s not exactly in everyones bidget, but it does prove an EV can be good even for a car guy… for a non car guy… well you guys all want SUVs so you hate driving and want to be disonnected from the road .. so why would you not get an EV?

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

80% of the luggage capacity of a ford focus for the price of a modest house...sure that's exactly what normal people looking for a practical estate are looking for. Go away, "kiddo"

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No_Win7658@reddit

You are really going to endlessly move the goalpost are you?

Well I think I’ve proven beyond any doubt you are completely wrong so bye bye science denier

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AppropriateDeal1034@reddit

I'm not moving any goalposts.

I, as a regular person, who currently owns a practical and reasonably priced 10+ year old diesel estate and would like to get an EV. My requirement are that it's affordable, not super boring, can go more than 200 miles without recharging, and is comparative in comfort and space.

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Considered now to be new enough to not be a piece of shit to work on

Old enough to not be a piece of shit to work on

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