Canada vs New Zealand
Posted by gingerbreadchase@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 125 comments
So we are in a unique position where we can reside in Canada or New Zealand, pretty much anywhere in either country. Which one would you choose? Major differI can think if are: NZ is in much bugger trouble when no oil or supplies is being shipped to it from the rest of the world. On the other hand, all of Canada spends half a year buried under snow so you can't grow food all year round.
Upbeat_Status_3557@reddit
I cross referenced a bunch of concerns for my last move. I had an eye on El Paso but they could run out of water so decided on a forest location instead. This helped me get a general idea about water scarcity, infrastructure, and many other of my concerns for locations I considered https://www.locationrisks.com/ . People lived in cold climates like Canada for thousands of years so it’s not impossible to grow enough food there, but would be hard in the winters.
Nearby_Impact_8911@reddit
The weather in NZ is tempting but you can always build a greenhouse in Canada. With the oil crisis I’d stay in Canada because of the proximity to the US. But also it’s easier to warm up than cool down.
dachjaw@reddit
When I lived in NZ I did not know a single person who had air conditioning. YMMV.
Informal-Deer@reddit
When was that? Every single nz household I can personally think of has at least one heatpump that heats and cools.
dachjaw@reddit
1960s. My house has neither heat nor air conditioning and it was considered a nice house.
Nearby_Impact_8911@reddit
I hear you, but I know me
Informal-Deer@reddit
How hot do you think it gets in New Zealand?
Nearby_Impact_8911@reddit
I mean as an American I don’t want to not have AC😬 I’m sure it gets hot enough to want AC.
Informal-Deer@reddit
Most homes in NZ have heatpumps which can be used to heat or cool. Most kiwis don't use them for cooling often because of the termporate climate, usually closing blinds/curtains and opening windows works fine. There's usually only a few days a year I would use AC to cool the house and many more I use it to heat.
Artist-type@reddit
I'm in the north of NZ and have two heat pumps that I use for heat in winter and cooling in summer. Though not absolutely necessary, I like to be comfortable.
OppositeIdea7456@reddit
Hands down Canada. It wouldn't take many paratroopers to roll n.z. up.
mistergrumpalump@reddit
It would be much easier to survive in NZ than Canada unless you're in SW BC islands, if something truly does kick off. It takes a lot of time and energy to survive real winter. However if you have the money, there are already communities establish in SW BC with your vision.
ShrodingersArmadillo@reddit
All my stuff is here so I'm choosing Canada.
I grow food year round in my hydroponic setup and greenhouse.
Maleficent_Slip_8998@reddit
I'd choose the US.
twostonebird@reddit
Do you need to work or are you retired? NZ economy and wages are dire
Xsiah@reddit
Things are not dissimilar in Canada though, depending on what you do and where you live.
KyllikkiSkjeggestad@reddit
Wages in Canada are pretty decent, it’s just the housing market that’s insane
It’s pretty easy to land a job paying 80k+ a year now, it’s just not enough to live on if you’re a single person. You pretty much need one person to pay rent, and have your spouse pay for groceries and save for a house lol
MrBleeple@reddit
The median income in Canada is 45k Canadian. Youth unemployment is nearly 30%.
Saying "It's pretty easy" either is a massive misunderstanding in what those words mean or you are operating on different data. $80k Canadian puts you in the 80th-90th percentile of income earners depending on your age.
Xsiah@reddit
Yeah I mean the numbers aren't meaningful in a vacuum. Wages are higher number-wise but so is cost of living.
A similar thing has been going on across most western countries.
kittykatmila@reddit
I was just going to say that. It’s impossible to get ahead here. People are depressed and angry. There’s no jobs and rent is 2k+ for a one bedroom. We have terrible monopolies in Canada; food price inflation is the worst out of any G7 country.
Objective-Figure-343@reddit
The situation in Canada is bad, my family left for the rural southern US where my wife is from because everything was getting so expensive and my hometown London Ontario had become the fentanyl capital of Canada and we didn't want to raise our son in that environment.
kittykatmila@reddit
Some of my family lives in the south as well. My sister has a massive 5 bedroom house that she got for 250k. Meanwhile, the shitty one bedroom apartments next to my building are going for 500k. I’m not even in the city either! It’s insane.
Chainsawsas70@reddit
Given the Climate difference between the two... I'd pick NZ because of it's more moderate climate.
adoradear@reddit
Canada is huge. We have very moderate climates in some areas. Where I live, we barely ever see snow (and I think we have 1-2 days of snow last winter? Didn’t even stick to the ground)
grapefruit279@reddit
There are places in Canada you can garden year round. And not only if you are an advanced skills gardener. In the throw some seeds down and wait kind of way.
reasomable@reddit
this is not true😭 unless you mean "technically alive under a foot of snow"
grapefruit279@reddit
Nope, I mean I can harvest something year round from my garden. Currently I have asparagus, a few weeks ago it was overwintered broccoli and cauliflower. I can put bok choy in the ground in March, Corn Salad (Mache) grows like a weed here in February/March. I pick brussels sprouts until December. With a cold frame I can have lettuce and arugula year round. Radishes too. Potatoes survive the winter and the early picking from those volunteers can be quite early. And I can get a second round in for an October harvest. There's a citrus orchard near Sidney, BC, growing outside, year round with minimal protection. Southern Vancouver Island is considered a Mediterranean climate. Technically alive under a foot of snow is true for many parts of Canada, as a further extreme of no vegetables surviving the winter at all due to -50 temperatures. But Canada is a very large country with some vastly different growing conditions from coast to coast to coast.
adoradear@reddit
Yeah, but our downstairs neighbours suck. It’s a problem that has the potential to get a lot worse.
Hervee@reddit
Very true if you’re in the Lower Mainland, BC. No snow at all this past winter and last winter wasn’t much better. My garden remained actively growing all winter.
reasomable@reddit
oh you're so right i forgot about western canada
grapefruit279@reddit
South-Western Canada. Not all of Western Canada.
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
Where are you going to get any land to grow food in the lower mainland? That place is packed to the gills
Hervee@reddit
I have no idea why you would think that. It has the highest quality farming land and most intensively farmed area in Canada.
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
So do you think you're just going to trot on to someone else's land and start farming away?
Chilliwack is really not that big
Hervee@reddit
Who said anything about Chilliwack or using someone else’s land? The thread is discussing places you can garden year round. What’s your problem?
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
Did you read what I wrote? You can't Garden if you don't have land to do it.
Hervee@reddit
That’s true of every place. If you don’t have access to land or housing you’re in trouble. However, properties are available (expensive though) and renting or buying a place with enough land is still doable. I’m puzzled about your thinking that it’s not possible in the Lower Mainland. It definitely is.
SmilingAnimal@reddit
The seriously prepared move to SOUTH island NZ, not North, due to magnetic fields.
The magnetic field and "anomalies" over the North island are causing animals that rely on magnetism to die off unpredictably.
bees dying, birds like Godwit and Albatross dying, fish like Trout, all dying unusually.
Humans also rely on magnetism...
The South island is currently a magnetic safe zone.
Other magnetic safe zones are Philippines and Japan.
myOEburner@reddit
Practically? Canada.
Imaginary end of the world event? Canada.
NZ is a resource desert. How much coal do they mine? Oil do they extract and refine? Manufacturing Do they have? There is a reason Canada is developed and NZ is a global backwater that is frequently forgotten on world maps.
If the imagineered TEOTWAWKI thing happens, where are the ships going to go? Populated places with economic upside, or a resource desert that makes nothing?
dachjaw@reddit
It’s been a while but when I lived in NZ I remember touring a coal mine and staying at a house where they cooked with coal.
I notice you didn’t mention agricultural resources. NZ has those in spades.
myOEburner@reddit
>I notice you didn’t mention agricultural resources. NZ has those in spades.
Aaakkksshuuulllly...my reply to another post below does. And I quantify how insignificant those exports are. I notice that you didn't notice.
I didn't say they didn't have resources. The point is that they're insignificant.
Just look at GDP rankings. NZ is tiny. If NZ closed the borders and ceased trade with the rest of the world, nobody would notice. If Canada did he same, there would be som real problems.
HeroWithYay@reddit
New zealander here!
So New Zealand is actually a highly developed, high income country. We do actually have a lot of offshore oil drilling, we do mine coal (I assume your implications that we don't were based purely off guesswork.) But the main thing we do is farm! Which is very important for food.
You seem to be under the impression that we're some kind of third world country because of our inconvenient place at the edge of maps that sometimes results in omission. But please look up literally anything about a country before giving advice about it.
New zealand is the complete opposite of a resource desert, it's just small.
dachjaw@reddit
You tell ‘em!
myOEburner@reddit
Sure, sort of. But it doesn't produce critical stuff, or very much at all. Meat, wood, and dairy are the main exports accounting for only $75B. Services round out its $100bn/yr export tab.
Canada is nearly $600bn/yr. The US is $350bn...per month.
NZ is not a powerhouse and not a place I want to be if it all comes crashing down. I want to be in America of have a navigible land route to America.
NZ ranks pretty low on GDP any way you slice it. Canada...not so much.
>...our concerns are that we could be invaded by china for our resources.
There are a lot of places higher on the list than NZ. Although it wouldn't be much of a fight, would it?
Anonymo123@reddit
Thanks for the info. Whats your feeling with how your country currently is dealing with immigration, expats, digital nomads, etc? Are you welcoming people or is it difficult? I have researched it lightly but theres formal info and what the people think. I have no desire to move to NZ, but i would love to visit one day. Very curious otherwise.
HeroWithYay@reddit
Visiting is pretty easy, but you gotta be gone from the country for 9 months for every 18 month period.
If you want to stay longer than that/indefinitely its pretty tough compared to most places.
Either have a pre-existing NZ partner who has lived with you for 3? years overseas or be qualified for one of the high priority jobs.
I think otherwise it only opens up if you've already stayed in the country 5 years on visitor visas
felisnebulosa@reddit
Why go to America? There's a whole lot more people there competing for resources.
CanadaFootyFan@reddit
I live in Canada and love it here. I think it is an amazing country (if I am being honest I believe it is the best in the world…).
But from a prepping perspective our proximity to the US is less than ideal. Nuclear fallout can drift into our country after impacts in primary US targets. And let’s be honest - the US is always going to be a potential target for shit like that because of their foreign policy. Plus the winters you mentioned make it so that you def need to be prepared. Food storage and a wood stove solve a lot of issues but if things revert to a “state of nature” here there would be a lot of people pushed to their limits in your average February.
dittybopper_05H@reddit
It’s cute that you think if there is a nuclear exchange that Canada won’t be hit. All those early warning stations? In Canada (and Alaska and Greenland). Plus airbases that are dispersal airfields for our bomber force.
academiccatastrophe@reddit
Jeez how are you a top commenter when this is how you talk to people?
dittybopper_05H@reddit
I’m sorry if the bluntness of my writings offends you. Maybe you should go find a safe zone and sip some herbal tea while inhaling some lavender oil infusions while you recover from hearing the truth in a manner that is couched in flowery obfuscations.
academiccatastrophe@reddit
Lol you're a treat
dittybopper_05H@reddit
Nah. I’m not salty enough to be Treet. More like SPAM Lite. Fifty percent less fat and 25% less sodium.
Still not good as a regular part of your diet, though.
academiccatastrophe@reddit
Idk you seem pretty salty to me lol
academiccatastrophe@reddit
I'm not fragile, I just try not to be an asshole for no reason
dittybopper_05H@reddit
Well, you certainly seemed to be triggered. Maybe I should issue a warning next time?
academiccatastrophe@reddit
I reject the use of the word triggered in application to myself or any person really 🤣
kirbygay@reddit
Its by volume, not quality of comments lol
dittybopper_05H@reddit
OK, I have some hearing loss, but I’m not *THAT* loud….. ;-)
academiccatastrophe@reddit
Oh lmao ty 🤣
Haggis_with_Ketchup@reddit
Not to mention the nuclear power plants in Ontario that feed electricity to New York and Michigan
academiccatastrophe@reddit
Yep, we know they exist
Haggis_with_Ketchup@reddit
And so does anyone that would attack the continental U.S.
academiccatastrophe@reddit
Totally, your point?
Haggis_with_Ketchup@reddit
Well, you could follow the comment thread of Canada being a target in warfare...
academiccatastrophe@reddit
I am. Still don't get what you're trying to say other than Canada would also get nuked. What are you positing here?
Formal_Lock3392@reddit
Fun fact, the biggest single nuclear stockpile in the world is located within 100 miles of the Canadian border at Kitsap.
IrwinJFinster@reddit
Neither. But of the two, New Zealand
gingerbreadchase@reddit (OP)
Where would be a good option other than these two?
IrwinJFinster@reddit
My snarky comment was meant as a suggestion that one should prepare for the end of the world but the chances are quite low so one should not over-invest. I would normally not change countries as a preparation. Although that makes me a hypocrite as I have already told my own kids to get a Masters degree in Europe once America undergoes fiscal collapse. And in that sense—New Zealand isn’t next to the USA, while Canada is. New Zealand, Australia, northern Europe would be my refuges.
More_Dependent742@reddit
To those saying Canada because guns...
I don't know what it is about North Americans and thinking you can only get guns in North America. Even if you think gun ownership is the be all and end all - while living in a country with an almost entirely unarmed populace like New Zealand... - you can get guns. Take the country you're all quickest to point out as being "no guns", the UK: getting a shotgun licence is pretty trivial. And sure a 3-shot semi automatic 12 guage is not an AR-15, but it still makes you more armed than 99.9% of the population (unlike owning an AR-15 in the States...). Getting a firearms certificate is also very doable assuming you can demonstrate that you go to a range (which obviously you all should anyway). Still no AR-15, but you want to snipe with a 7.62, you got it.
Yes, they'll check to see whether you're a violent criminal. Yes, they'll check to see whether you have secure storage at home. Yes, they might even want a psych eval.
I really don't see why 2A folks in the States are so terrified of this, unless...
Ungl8r@reddit
Here in nz, it’s not hard to buy guns once you have a firearms licence. In fact it’s super easy, and there is no restriction on suppressors at all. A Licence takes a few months and is specifically not for self defence, but solely for sports, culling, or hunting. The police interview you, your next of kin, and your nominated referees. One bonus is the abundance of pigs goats and deer in public land, with no seasons or limit on how many you can take except for sone localised special herds. In shtf there are 5.5 M people, 23 M sheep, and 9.5 M cows, plus easy growing fertile land with high rainfall.
More_Dependent742@reddit
Interviewing next of kin is so smart. It doesn't surprise me the Kiwis do something like that. Probably helps a bit with DV issues, or keeping guns away from DV
Ungl8r@reddit
Yes I think that’s a big part of it. If someone gets accused of Domestic Violence or a restraining order etc, the police go straight there and remove any firearms. Probably unfair in some instances but we have a bad DV problem in some groups.
More_Dependent742@reddit
"Once Were Warriors" was a film I should not have watched at the age of 7.
Worth-Ad-4927@reddit
Gun ownership has in New Zealand is more wide spread than what people are led to believe. We are ranked 21st in the world with 26.3 firearms per 100 people. An estimated 1.2 - 1.7 million firearms for a population of around 5 million people. No where near America but more widely spread than most countries.
While Centre-fire semi autos have been heavily restricted they can still be purchased under certain license categories. For the Americans think tax stamp rules.
New Zealand has one of the best hunting cultures in the world. As numerous species of deer, pig, goat are all introduced pests there are no bag limits or ballots. You don’t need access to private land in order to hunt or have a license. Suppressors are highly encouraged to minimise disturbing public.
Pistols are legal and under certain license categories you can purchase anything from an UZI to a Browning M2A1.
Our license rules are sensible. You must have a safe and pass some vetting. It’s not a difficult process as long as you are a responsible individual.
ShortManBigEggplant@reddit
Yeah I agree. Theyre Ridiculously obsessed with guns. If you hunt or have a farm you can get them in nz and Aust.
More_Dependent742@reddit
I would imagine "sport shooting" is also a valid reason, for those with no land.
More_Dependent742@reddit
Downvotes from a certain contingent but they can't quite think of a reply...
Questioning_lemur@reddit
The issue is really the general trends in these countries in terms of not just firearms, but protections for the rights of individuals.
The last 30 years have shown serious regression in the cultures of commonwealth countries from these aspects, and there's no evidence that has turned around.
RredditAcct@reddit
NZ had more of an authoritarian response to covid. You can buy guns in Canada after a weekend course and background check. I don't know the process in NZ. Canada is huge with different political views.
Just some thoughts.
dachjaw@reddit
You should research the process. Sure, it’s more difficult than in the U.S., but it’s far more rational as well. One thing is certain: your children will be much safer in NZ schools than in U.S. schools.
every-day-normal-guy@reddit
From what I've read, NZ gun ownership is way more restrictive than a US and Canada. Self defense is not considered a legal reason for owning a firearm in NZ.
aussb2020@reddit
Correct. But the flip side is school shootings don’t exist here so there’s that.
You can definitely legally buy guns here they just have to be for a valid reason, ie going hunting or if you’re a farmer and may require for putting down injured stock etc, and pass the other checks which are essentially just showing the police that you have a secure gun safe/locked rack and a separate location in which to secure ammo (so no kids accidentally shoot siblings etc) and pass a mental health and safe gun user test iirc
ruraljuror__@reddit
Same in Canada. You can't say a gun is for self defence.
aussb2020@reddit
NZ Covid death rate per million - 884 US Covid death rate per million - 3,618
Obviously Covid responses were contentious work wide but as a NZ’er I’m happy we reacted the way we did.
Ironically we’re in a much worse economic position now with our current government than we were in Covid. Our unemployment is off the charts, homelessness has doubled, govt is slashing health care and education funding among other things.
OP if you’ve got the funds to buy a home outright with a nice little nest egg you’ll love it here, but if you’re reliant on working in our economy and renting a home it’s difficult at the moment
guanabanabanana@reddit
Where I am on the west coast we had maybe one day of sleep, no real snow, last year. The past couple years we have had at most 2 weeks of snow it seems.
dachjaw@reddit
You really need more sleep than that. Take care of yourself.
No_Trousers08@reddit
Situation is dire in Canada, for most people if you don’t live in Ontario, Alberta or BC, or are already in a good financial situation. I’ve tried to make a longer post but it got banned. Goodluck
No_Trousers08@reddit
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Achnback@reddit
Do what is best for your family, Canada has been ruined by the leftist government, that alone would make me want to leave. NZ is absolutely beautiful, expensive as all get out, I assume you have considered that?
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
Do you actually know anything about the New Zealand government? LOL
BaboonKnot@reddit
Half the year buried under snow? Ha! OP has clearly never been to the West Coast.
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
Rain is just liquid snow you know
SasquatchsBigDick@reddit
As a Canadian who has recently traveled to New Zealand, I'd say NZ if you're worried about the end of the world.
They seem to be able to procure anything necessary on the island itself. I'm talking about food, water, renewable energy. Yeah, no oil and little manufacturing but if it's truly the end of the world, who cares about that, you're making stuff yourself.
The climate is very nice for all of this (although, I did only visit the south island).
Now, Canada is massive and has all the same resources plus more BUT we are next to the US and if you're worried about the end of the world, that is a huge downside. Unless you move further north but you then you lose a lot with that.
If you're actually looking to move between the two countries though, looking purely on an end of the world situation is a bad way to plan your future.
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
Canada doesn't come close to having the resources at New Zealand does from a pure variation standpoint.
Miss_L_Worldwide@reddit
New Zealand without a shadow of a doubt.
Hervee@reddit
Which is best depends very much on your ages and stage of life. Also finances. The job situation in Canada is tough and for some industries, like tech, it’s extremely tough with more layoffs to come. The cost of housing is considerably higher than NZ as is the cost of living. Health care has some major issues which, depending on where you are in Canada, can lead to overnight or weekend closures of hospitals. I know NZ has some similar issues but not as widespread as here. Social Welfare. I know it’s getting worse over there but you do still have a safety net should anything go wrong. That doesn’t exist in Canada. There’s no unemployment benefit, there’s a finite employment insurance that workers pay into and you get only what you’ve paid (a compulsory rainy day fund if you like). Pensions are dependent on how long you’ve worked in Canada. So retiring here requires some real consideration. If you’re self-supporting with a large nest egg these considerations may be irrelevant. I suggest that you do some serious research though before deciding to move.
Virginia_Hall@reddit
"all of Canada spends half a year buried under snow so you can't grow food all year round."
Yeah, that must be why they measure it in TONS.
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/250917/dq250917b-eng.htm
Suggest you use some Google-Fu and look up different climate zones in Canada (and New Zealand).
alsoov@reddit
New Zealand. There is a reason the billionaires are building bunkers there.
Xsiah@reddit
Don't base your decision on prepping. The likelihood of something truly disastrous happening is low, but you're going to live every day with the choice that you make.
Which country is going to be better for your family when things are fine?
Useful_Calendar_6274@reddit
the 21st century has a huge likelohood of something happening and all geopol analysts talk openly about it. there isn't even enough fertilizer for 70% of crops rn as we speak
Xsiah@reddit
There's always talk of "something" happening. You don't know if it actually will, or who/where it's going to affect the worst.
I've already lived through a fear of food and toilet paper shortages, a fear that oil reserves are going to be depleted, a fear that the earth is cooling, we've been living in the edge of a recession (any minute now) for a few years.
Every place has different conditions, buffers, and different looming "somethings" which may or may not materialize. You don't have a crystal ball, and you might find yourself in a surprise "something" in one place while avoiding a hypothetical "something" in another.
But even if a "something" is inevitable, it's better to have a good life leading up to it.
Sea-Net-8913@reddit
There is no low zero chance, the fuel crisis is going to worsen if the strait continues to be closed. The world is already in a fuel crisis right now and it is going to get worse in the coming months especially for countries like New Zealand and Australia where 90% of fuel is dependent on imports.
Never has the strait of Hormuz been closed for extended period in modern history. This is going to be a greater challenge than anything in recent times. Fuel is life, when there is no fuel it impacts all supply chains in the economy. This is going to have an impact not just in the next few months but for years to come.
I would definitely be rethinking about moving to a country which heavily relies on fuel imports from the Middle East.
Useful_Calendar_6274@reddit
yeah ur right but someone looking into prepping will obviously be better off in a catastrophe and it's totally rational. like keeping a underground bunker during the cold war. you hoped armageddon didn't come but built the thing anyway
Xsiah@reddit
I didn't say don't prep, I said don't sacrifice normal life to achieve the perfect prep.
Like don't move somewhere with bad job prospects, bad education, bad social issues, just because the soil there is really good for a bunker and you'll have access to all the potatoes you could ever want.
Trojan1722@reddit
Canada —-> Vancouver Island. Isolated but not.
Anonymo123@reddit
go look in the various expat subs here and online to get current info on both countries. Just because you want to move (immigrate, expat, etc) somewhere, doesn't mean they want or will allow you to.
I sum it up like this: unless your rich (money to deposit, invest), have a skill\education\etc they really need, have dual or naturalized citizenship.. it may be very difficult. A country wanting your tourist money is vastly different then one where you would be a drain on their society because you lack skills\education or even worse have medical\mental health issues. I travel about 45 weeks a year globally and I quite often have talks with people in various countries about this, as its quite interesting.
FWIW I have a good friend who lives (born) in Canada. He has a decent heated greenhouse and with his own compost grows more food then he knows what to do with for his family of 6.
Dr_greenthumbX@reddit
Canada is a shit show currently
Common-Advantage-577@reddit
in world war z alot of people in canada die to starvation and cannibalism
AuntieDabQueen710@reddit
All I'm saying is if you come to Alberta be ready to prep hard-core. We're in a political shit show right now so the weather is the least of your worries, but our winters have been on the milder side lately and there's ways to grow year round. East coast/Ontario gets worse winters and more frequent power outages. West coast/BC is definitely warmer but more expensive. Prairies have great land for growing. It really depends on what you're looking for and what you're looking to avoid.
ShortManBigEggplant@reddit
No bears, wolves or other vicious animals in NZ
DeafHeretic@reddit
From a prepping perspective, there are issues with NZ:
1) High incidence rate of strong earthquakes.
2) North Island has two active volcanoes and one offshore
3) Laws against non-citizens owning land
4) Increasingly anti-gun & pro-gun control politics/laws (Canada is also worrisome in this respect)
5) The general issues with being on an island, albeit a large one.
6) Proximity to China (mixed feelings on this - but still…). OTOH - if there is a nuclear war (unlikely, but if this is a major concern for you, the southern hemisphere is a better place to be than the northern hemisphere).
harrybelland@reddit
costa rica.
shadow6654@reddit
Speaking as a Canadian, how much do you REALLY Know about Canada? Because you’ve given me doubts with that generalization
Many-Health-1673@reddit
A lot more resources in Canada and it is massive. I would go with Canada even with the cold.
Myspys_35@reddit
From a prepping perspective NZ is clearly the winner - its a completely separate island and not attached to the US. Highly unlikely to suffer any major attacks, can close down borders effectively against diseases both affecting humans and food sources, small population, etc.
As for today - if your family is elsewhere living down under is harder as its far away from everywhere, but the biggest thing is very few people would have the opportunity to move there....
traitorgiraffe@reddit
I would say NZ but not for prepping
canada is not a bad choice but NZ is more my tempo. I don't think either is wrong
factory-worker@reddit
A bunch of hobbits can't be wrong about new Zealand
silasmoeckel@reddit
I'm retiring t o NZ. North end of south island. I wouldn't go anywhere on the north island it's far to many people.
Lifestyle plots are a thing making it quite affordable to get enough property to live off.
Oil wise prep to need very little of it.
Nearby_Impact_8911@reddit
Which country are you more familiar with
pobnarl@reddit
newfoundland canada. being on a sparsely populated island full of game and fresh water. of course nz is better soil and weather but also a much higher population density, and more potential for outsiders to bring armed men on ships over to take that nice land and climate.
Useful_Calendar_6274@reddit
which kind of disaster do you want to prep for? total apocalypse seems better in far as north as possible in canada, provided you figure out food production. all the roaming brigands and bandits will freeze and not even reach you. the marauding warlordism is the main problem in this scenario. in NZ maybe you can take a boat to other islands but you have to learn to sail and have the whole bug out plan
pifhluk@reddit
Easy choice, the Billionaires all have compounds in NZ. Get solar. No one should count on oil in shtf anyways, drills and refineries aren't going to be operating in that scenario and if they are their production will be 100% for military.
gonyere@reddit
Id go with new Zealand.