That time when the writers mixed up Stewart with Nimoy...

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im-ba@reddit

Hilariously, that's Tim Russ, who later went on to play Tuvok (a Vulcan) in Star Trek: Voyager

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gaymesfranco@reddit

![gif](giphy|o9Wdakd9xFIyMvEeyD)

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Venidle@reddit

He was just working undercover here, he does that.

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Victory_Highway@reddit

Except he dies in this episode. So it can’t be Tuvok.

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Venidle@reddit

You claim he died. But after the baryon sweep they looked for his body and they ain't found shit

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suchdogeverymeme@reddit

yeah, how convenient it destroys all organic matter, yet all that polyester still nowhere to be found

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Tynford@reddit

![gif](giphy|vc4ft4s0edbNlYgqSp)

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talondigital@reddit

He didnt die, just like Trip didnt die.

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Asleep_Touch_8824@reddit

You're goddamn right Trip didn't die. (My only headcanon, but a necessary one.)

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lorriefiel@reddit

In the Enterprise novel, The Good That Men Do, Trip didn't die. It was a ruse. You should read all the Enterprise novels.

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Victory_Highway@reddit

He got caught in the baryon sweep, but yeah no body…

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thirdeyefish@reddit

They sent in a search team, but they didn't find shit.

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DueTouch3387@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/zs4inga5h20h1.jpeg?width=439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dbb4d6732af22860a915568b8b376e27564522e

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talondigital@reddit

Thats what they want you to think, but its all an op from section 32.

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Tuvok was a major Section 31 player, part-time like Bashir. Recruited sometime after Stardate 9521.6, they bobbed his ears and sent him onto the Enterprise-B for some reason after he "resigned" from Starfleet. Decades later Section 31 assigned him to the Enterprise-D baryon episode. Once Picard was unexpectantly there they had to pull him out early. Finally, his last mission was as an undercover Vulcan, placed on a Marquis ship, presumed dead when Voyager and the Val Jean were presumed destroyed.

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DerSnackpapst@reddit

Transporter buffer.

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Victory_Highway@reddit

Perhaps!

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CO420Tech@reddit

We never actually saw that...

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commandrix@reddit

That one cadet played by Robert Duncan McNeil...

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Dewaholic@reddit

*Processing img aizf0mf77zzg1...*

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Romulan-Jedi@reddit

No, I just don't see it.

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Mayoo614@reddit

![gif](giphy|iGpdSizVSdPJfiVG9O)

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JohnnyRevovler@reddit

He didn't?! 🥹

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jetserf@reddit

https://i.redd.it/df45mdlpgyzg1.gif

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9CaptainRaymondHolt9@reddit

![gif](giphy|zNbiX43QsqUAU)

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grafxguy1@reddit

Yeah, he died.....and oddly, a clone of Tuvix survived...

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SaberStrat@reddit

Nah he only appeared to, he's that good at his job.

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LexxxiScarlett@reddit

The perfect cover!

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krombough@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/gwn7bwfahzzg1.jpeg?width=692&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0956bcde1091e3a9c26e5ef6fb78f4ceab1fb2f5

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MrPete_Channel_Utoob@reddit

Tuvok Shakur

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theimmortalgoon@reddit

It was all an attempt to be taken in my the Marquis. H this failed because if Picard. He then gets altered to look Klingon in DS9, and that doesn’t work. And, finally, he is taken in as Vulcan. Sometimes the simplest undercover is the best.

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BalasaarNelxaan@reddit

He was recruited shortly after he did a stint on the Enterprise B

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pakrat1967@reddit

The franchise has a long history of reusing the same actors in different roles. Morgan Woodward played both Dr Van Gelder in Dagger of the Mind and Capt. Tracy in The Omega Glory. William Campbell was both Trelane in The Squire of Gothos and Capt Koloth in The Trouble with Tribbles. There are many others, but the best known is probably Mark Leonard playing both the Romulan commander in Balance of Terror and playing Sarek.

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lorriefiel@reddit

Also a Klingon in STTMP.

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WelfOnTheShelf@reddit

Lenard was also a Klingon in TMP

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CosmicBonobo@reddit

My personal favourite is Jeffrey Combs playing both Weyoun and Liquidator Brunt in *The Dogs of War*.

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Dewaholic@reddit

Dont forget James Cromwell. We could t have warp without him https://preview.redd.it/q8t3bbn68zzg1.jpeg?width=447&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc81c7864d2e582207c4801677d798bb3f39e10a

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pakrat1967@reddit

Yep, as I mentioned there have been many others. David Warner is another good example. A Terran, a Klingon, and a Cardassian.

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MrPete_Channel_Utoob@reddit

And before this he was "combing the sands of Vega".

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neeliemich@reddit

Tim Russ is in TNG, DS9, and Voyager. He's a Terran in one of the mirror universe episodes on DS9, iirc he's Terran Tuvok.

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MindlessNectarine374@reddit

Mirror-Tuvok is Vulcan, too. He's in the Terran rebellion, though.

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AppleSmoker@reddit

Do you think Stewart actually turned him into a Vulcan here? 🤔

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Sonnuvah@reddit

Yes, the lesser known Vulcan Shoulder Meld.

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WadeTurtle@reddit

My thoughts to your thoughts. My uh, fingers to your... shoulder?

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im-ba@reddit

That's how it works /s

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bloodfist@reddit

It's sort of like turning someone into a vampire. In that some parts of you get pointier

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theunixman@reddit

He ain’t found shit

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cheezfreek@reddit

More importantly, he still ain’t found shit.

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Unfair_Pineapple8813@reddit

I saw this episode after I saw Voyager, and it was very confusing.

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TheGogglesDo-Nothing@reddit

Pretty sure it’s that space ball that still ain’t found shit.

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EasySqueezy_@reddit

Picard pinched him so hard he turned Vulcan.

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iwanashagTwitch@reddit

He also ain't found shit ![gif](giphy|Pjr9CeaUbForwImKr1)

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strangway@reddit

After playing *kinda* young Tuvok in Star Trek: Generations as an officer on the Enterprise-B. Maybe his ears got pointy with age. https://preview.redd.it/dwufay1zayzg1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd7339f8cb7d60a4cb9944db9ec75ccbcf5b301d

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Capable_Sandwich_422@reddit

That wasn’t Tuvok, was it? He was on the Excelsior with Sulu.

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im-ba@reddit

Vulcan Nick Lorcano

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Outrageous-Pause6317@reddit

I don’t see it.

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strangway@reddit

LOL, except both Nick and Tom are both human. I also wonder if Ro met Dara (Timicin’s daughter) https://preview.redd.it/rtwhg6i9dyzg1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4aa8a65f2ee70c425792e779fe851e4a76f3222 It’s like hey your hair’s up. Your hair’s down. Twinsies!

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strangway@reddit

I’m joking, but it was interesting how both Tuvok and this Tuvok-looking human guy served on Excelsior-class starships at the exact same time. I wonder if they ever met each other and were all “Umm are we best friends now?”

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Capable_Sandwich_422@reddit

![gif](giphy|l36kU80xPf0ojG0Erg)

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strangway@reddit

Precisely. Or this ![gif](giphy|xP9tNSAQEZSJG)

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theFormerRelic@reddit

wao nobody knew that

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ramfoodie@reddit (OP)

Awesome casting!

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geourge65757@reddit

Knew it was deliberate - what a great show !

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tristanitis@reddit

Although Nomoy originally suggested that the pinch was something only Vulcans could do using telepathic powers, this was never stated in the show. The general explanation is that it's a combination of blocking blood flow and nerve signals to the brain. My read on it is just that's it's very difficult to get right, which is why people aren't doing it in every fight, but it is not exclusive to Vulcans.

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tan_clutch@reddit

you gotta get it right where the shoulder meets the neck

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IkouyDaBolt@reddit

![gif](giphy|XqA94keG4YuRi)

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NicodemusArcleon@reddit

THAT'S the gif I scrolled to see!

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Well_Dressed_Kobold@reddit

I think it also fits with Vulcans’ particular ethos. When it becomes illogical to remain non-violent, the neck pinch offers a way to achieve incapacitation without unnecessary damage or provocation. But requires tremendous skill and focus to reliably succeed. Other species would resort to violence sooner, using simpler and less precise means.

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multic94@reddit

Odo uses it in DS9 too. Cant believe no one's mentioned that.

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RealLateToast@reddit

Archer also does it while he carries the Katra of Surok.

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EdgyAsFuk@reddit

I always thought it was more about needing strength, precision and a calm rational mind, which is why Data and Picard could learn it, but Kirk and others can't.

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Nopetynope12@reddit

Data uses it in that TNG episode on Yarr's daughter, so clearly it is just more about precision and strength rather than telepathic powers

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I-am-not-Herbert@reddit

Spock claims in one episode (Errand of Mercy maybe?) that he unsuccessfully had tried to teach the Nerve Pinch to Kirk.

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Fabulous-Sea-1590@reddit

I guess it's just head canon but I always had the idea that it also had to do with strength. Human strength being insufficient. That worked for Data, but I forgot Picard could do it.

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Historyp91@reddit

Even in TOS, IIRC at one point Kirk suggest it could be taught to him.

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Corvald@reddit

Except he just needs to karate chop the shoulder instead of pinching it.

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amglasgow@reddit

Except it's also canon in Trek that some humans have a degree of the same kind of abilities as Vulcans, just less frequently and less strongly.

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Johnsendall@reddit

Picard could have learned it with his mindmeld with Sarek.

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ratherbclever@reddit

Thats what I always assumed

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TJRex01@reddit

Which is why it makes sense Data could do it, because he could,presumably copy it perfectly.

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PastorNTraining@reddit

Actually this is a great thread that TNG used from the big Spock episodes, Unification. Picard had a mind meld with Spock and his father. Through that process Picard picked up a few tricks, including the nerve pinch. It was one of those narrative and writing moments that TNG was great at.

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documentiron@reddit

This was always a weird explanation for me because I always assumed the nerve pinch wasn't technically difficult, it just required the crazy strength that Vulcans have to pull off. It shouldn't require a mindmeld to learn.

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UnableLocal2918@reddit

actually it had more to do with the touch telepathy that the vulcans have. think splice into a telephone line and overloading it.

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GodIsAPizza@reddit

Yeah, that's what I thought it was more mystical then a physical thing. I don't think Picard should be able to do it, but he has had a mind meld.

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ManicMechE@reddit

Not saying you're wrong, but my recollection was not that it was a strength issue but one of precision in finger placement and movement, something that would be much easier to "teach" via the meld. It's not that humans are too weak, we are too clumsy.

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Robofink@reddit

In one of the TOS scripts it called for Leonard Nimoy to punch a guy out. Nimoy suggested that Vulcans were more evolved than that and suggested that he simply “nerve pinch” the guy using essentially precision finger placement on the person’s clavicle. They’d pass out because of alien powers or something.

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GodIsAPizza@reddit

Spock teaches 7 year old Spock the move in Yesteryear, so I'd say it's definitely technique over strength.

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Spaceghost_84@reddit

Data did it too

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Dewaholic@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/m1oxuissgyzg1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56e8ee654285d3b9c65fd20f80927bb50035d9e4 My mind to your mind

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PastorNTraining@reddit

Hands down one of the best TNG two parters.

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NorwegianCowboy@reddit

It happened to Archer too.

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PastorNTraining@reddit

Yeah yeah! That was a great two parter! I felt like ENT got its legs that season then canceled. They had some great stories that final season.

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NorwegianCowboy@reddit

The Zindi arc was cool because the ship wasn't all clean and shiny at the start of each episode. But yes season 4 had some really fun moments. The Klingon thing was hella cheesy but I did like it. "What was is? Some kind of mutation?" "Or genetic engineering?" "We do not talk about it with outsiders." Well Worf it was both!

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dantheplanman1986@reddit

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO...SBSBDJDN.....MORE.....SHDHHHHKKKKK CHAOS....HUFFFF HUFFFFF

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WadeTurtle@reddit

And *that's* how Sarek developed a persistent craving for Earl Grey tea.

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PastorNTraining@reddit

Ever had Earl Grey? It tastes like a funeral home smells, very flowery. Best cold, ice cold!

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Spaceghost_84@reddit

Or they teach the nerve pinch in basic training. It’s pretty simple.

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multic94@reddit

Downvote OP yall.

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GoldfishMotorcycle@reddit

That story thread started earlier than the Unification episode – Picard's mind-meld with Sarek was in Season 3's episode, also called "[Sarek](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Sarek_(episode))". He then shared what he learned from that meld with Spock, in Season 5's "[Unification](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unification_I_(episode))", following Sarek's death.

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ReallyMrDarcy@reddit

And that, kids, is how Tuvoc became Vulcan. Beware the Patrick Stewart grip!

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mromutt@reddit

He pinched the logic into him lol

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damageddude@reddit

Tuvok was a major Section 31 player, part-time like Bashir. Recruited sometime after Stardate 9521.6, they bobbed his ears and sent him onto the Enterprise-B for some reason after he "resigned" from Starfleet. Decades later Section 31 assigned him to the Enterprise-D baryon episode. Once Picard was unexpectantly there they had to pull him out early. Finally, his last mission was as an undercover Vulcan, placed on a Marquis ship, presumed dead when Voyager and the Val Jean were presumed destroyed.

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epidipnis@reddit

Picard killed that man. He knocked him out and left him to die. He did say something about going back to get him, but the thieves said nope. He killed the rest, too.

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Bluelegs@reddit

That episode was so bad. First step towards turning Picard into a boring action man

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epidipnis@reddit

It wasn't bad. But it was part of a bad trend to action-heroing them.

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Peloquin_qualm@reddit

Looks like he’s holding a cloaked blade

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Unanimous_D@reddit

Or Takei https://preview.redd.it/ts8ewcvq660h1.jpeg?width=730&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b70705832e6c8e418eccb671810f4308da7259d8

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Rad_Dad6969@reddit

My theory for that episode is that they wouldn't let Patrick Stewart do any action scenes so he decided to hire his own separate cast and crew and snuck onto the set so he could film his own die-hard.

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IndicationNo117@reddit

"A Vulcan neck pinch? I'll have to remember that."

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Suckamanhwewhuuut@reddit

Hey that’s the guy from spaceballs!

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Retinoid634@reddit

Sarek taught him.

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technerdswe@reddit

If you ACTUALLY watched TNG and didn't only farm digital internet points, you would know why Picard could do the Vulcan nerve pinch. It's pretty hard to miss.

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KaijuDirectorOO7@reddit

I'll just heacanon a Vulcan taught him that...

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skynex65@reddit

Probably Sarek.

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skynex65@reddit

You don’t share your mind with a Vulcan Ambassador and not pick up a few tricks.

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Choice_Chocolate5866@reddit

And that he did it to Mr. Vulcan himself!

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bdragon81@reddit

![gif](giphy|MBiCuYNQrpSsAxACLG)

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Zychonis@reddit

Take that tuvok

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twolfhawk@reddit

So funny time russ became the Vulcan.

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FRYQN-1701@reddit

...and he nerve pinched Tuvoc.

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AlarmingDetective526@reddit

Which brings to mind the fact that the neck pinch works on both Vulcans and Humans.

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amglasgow@reddit

It's worked on every humanoid it's been tried on. There must be a highly conserved nerve cluster there.

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Lilith_Christine@reddit

There kinda is. We were taught you cans do a karate chop on the neck close to the shoulders. Using both hands. You kinda black out for a split second. We used to do it for fun to each other, but they told us it could cause someone to drop a weapon if done from behind. Anyway, shock to the brain and all

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amglasgow@reddit

Well yeah I know it's there in humans, I mean the presence of such a nerve cluster must be a commonly shared evolutionary trait among the descendants of the Progenitors

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AlarmingDetective526@reddit

That’s from the episode they never talked about again 😂😂😂

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Dry-Air-6915@reddit

Learnt it from his mind meld with sarek

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zmykula@reddit

JL wanted to fingerblast Tuvok's neck.

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ajgp56@reddit

“Who’s the Vulcan now!?”

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BK_0000@reddit

Tuvok is the worst Vulcan ever.

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ramfoodie@reddit (OP)

Nimoy similarly was spotted drinking Earl Grey and generally being an inexplicable internet sex object...

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Extension-Pepper-271@reddit

Some of the animosity between Shatner and Nimoy was supposedly because Shatner was annoyed that Nimoy was getting more of the interest from female fans. As a woman, I can tell you that Spock was definitely more of a sex symbol than Kirk, in my eyes.

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amglasgow@reddit

If you think Nimoy wasn't a sex object long before TNG was even a twinkle in Roddenberry's eye, you're forgetting your deep fandom lore.

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ramfoodie@reddit (OP)

"inexplicable" was a joke about stewart being bald and sexy and not about nimoy's looks. Nimoy was younger during the original run and had a great fan following during and after.

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Graylily@reddit

I dunno , but that guy didn't find shit.

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Lilith_Christine@reddit

![gif](giphy|Pjr9CeaUbForwImKr1)

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whereontrenzalore@reddit

Seven gets him too, when he's Tuvok.

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SlapfuckMcGee@reddit

Die Hard Picard is always one of my favorite episodes. It really lays the groundwork for his actions in First Contact.

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MBSMD@reddit

At least there’s still a Vulcan in this shot.

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jungle_jet@reddit

Wasnt this the episode where Picard has to go back on the ship to get a horse saddle? "A very close, personal thing" or something like that?

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MikeReddit74@reddit

Yes. “Starship Mine.”

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leshpar@reddit

Captain picard had already mind melded with sarek by that point in the show and it was said he gained the ability to do the nerve pinch because of it, but then they never used it again. So... Who knows?

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ThePrisonSoap@reddit

Picard not using it is even used as a gag later in one of the romulus episodes, when Spock and data elegantly take out guards with the pinch and Picard just haymakers one in the face

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BigMrTea@reddit

One/off buttons are one of my favourite storytelling conventions. Sometimes you need a character to not know something or not influence events for a period of time so the writer arranges for them to be temporarily removed. It can be anything from moving off to the side to talk with someone to punching them out. In sci-fi the options are endless, and especially in Trek: - Phasers set to stun - Anesthizine gas - Knockout hypospray - Vulcan nerve pinch - O'Briens special hammer blow to the back of the skull (my ass that wouldn't hurt) - Trek-fu double handed hammer blow first to the chest then under the chin - Suspending in Transport - Q flicking people in and out existence - Data's off switch (shhhh)

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watanabe0@reddit

Do you know this is after he's Mind Melded with Sarek or

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Thirty_Helens_Agree@reddit

Must be after. I’m in the middle of a rewatch and just saw the Sarek episode. I haven’t gotten to the Tim Russ episode yet.

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OopsAIIBots@reddit

Also what I was thinking, but I feel like I remember hearing saying that humans don't have the grip strength to do the technique properly. Maybe TOS Spock? Or I could just be making it up lol

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habslably@reddit

ok but Spock lies constantly

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watanabe0@reddit

It's beta canon but Nimoy said that Vulcan's can do it because they have fine senses/nerve endings in their fingers so they can find and paralyse just the right nerves (he does it to a space horse in ST:V) and that always made sense to me, implying it can't be taught. But it's a fun bit to say that Picard picked up the knowledge from Sarek. Dunno how Data can do it though!

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SPECTREagent700@reddit

I’m not sure where that’s a line or not but alternate timeline Kirk in Strange New Worlds also does the nerve pinch and explains that he learned it from a Vulcan cellmate.

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shylocker4154@reddit

Yeah..sarek was s3 and this was later, probably s5

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Shamanjoe@reddit

I was gonna say, he probably has it as a reflex after the mind meld..

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SignificantPop4188@reddit

Was this because Patrick Stewart wanted to be more "action hero" than "explorer/diplomat"?

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amglasgow@reddit

The characterization of Picard as a hot-tempered pugilist who firmly maintains a facade of a scholarly peacemaker was thoroughly established long before this episode.

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UStoJapan@reddit

Does this mean that the Horta can also do a Vulcan nerve pinch?

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amglasgow@reddit

They don't have fingers.

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CB_700_SC@reddit

This is the neck rub I’m looking for. Got to get the knots out.

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amglasgow@reddit

And puts you to sleep as well.

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roadtrip-ne@reddit

Picard mind melded with Spock didn’t he? Or Spock’s Dad?

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tyme@reddit

![gif](giphy|Pjr9CeaUbForwImKr1)

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bela_okmyx@reddit

Just a leftover gift from his mind-meld with Spock. Data also neck-pinched Sela, so it's not just Vulcans who can do it.

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Used-Gas-6525@reddit

Yet another actor who appeared on TNG to later star in another ST show. (Tom Paris being the other).

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PrincessPlusUltra@reddit

Tim Russ was also in the Generations movie as a third different character.

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Used-Gas-6525@reddit

I watched that one twice. Once in theatres and once for the Plinkett review, so I'll have to take your word for it.

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Wendigo_33@reddit

When I was a kid I thought only Vulcans could do it bc they are stronger than humans and have more fine motor control so they could pressure the nerve in ways we can't. Then I saw Picard do it and had my mind blown haha

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random-person-002@reddit

How come it worked for Picard but not Dr. McCoy? And, didn't McCoy have Spock's katra (sp?) in him at the time he tried it?

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Ramona--Flowers@reddit

McCoy wasn't handling Spock's katra very well and seemed to be in a mental war with himself. Even if he had the instinct to use it, he might not have been clear-headed enough to perform the nerve pinch correctly.

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TreeCitizen@reddit

When you get nerve pinched so hard you become one with it.

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Historyp91@reddit

You don't need to be a Vulcan to do a nerve pinch

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