The earth is not flat

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dontshitaboutotol@reddit

They thought it was feminine to do, so... "That's gay bro"

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iSailor@reddit

Well Europeans specifically. There's been many cultures who figured it out earlier.

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Tr1LL_B1LL@reddit

I think there are some cultures who still haven’t seemed to figure it out

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ZyklonFart@reddit

It's pretty funny watching destitute people spend their entire life trying to find someone to look down on and settling for some of the poorest people in the world.

All while Ranjeet overtakes their shit box in a brand new BMW in their own country.

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You assume he’s white because he’s telling people to wash their hands?

You are mad as fuck

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6h00@reddit

Nah you stupid fuck. He's from Norway.

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It's not. They have 1.4 billion population and not enough infrastructure to support such a large population across it's huge land mass. Which leaves several areas impoverished. They are undergoing rapid industrialization which leads to several sectors go unnoticed for the benefit of one. No one cared when people used to shit in the bushes, but those bushes are now roads and city buildings but a lot of people around those areas didn't get the opportunity to gentrify. So now they shit where there were once bushes and suddenly it's undignified and dirty. Foreigners love to degrade Indians for things like this but ignore all the brilliance that the Indian subcontinent has brought. Before colonisation, every culture north of the equator were pillaging, warring, raiding and enslaving. Their culture isn't centered on shit and piss, it's just your culture is centered around degrading others.

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Zebra1523@reddit

They sell cow piss to drink in my country. Had an argument with a bunch of Indians saying drinking cow piss is sterile and as good for you as eating the meat.

Are you under the impression that Americans do not wash their hands?

I’ve never heard of this before as an American, washing your hands is the norm and I’ve never met someone who doesn’t, at least as far as I’m aware.

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Comfortable-Mode-972@reddit

You’ve met plenty of people that don’t wash their hands as much as they should. Stand in a men’s bathroom for 5 minutes and you’ll be disgusted

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America did not have “the highest number of Covid deaths” either in total or per capita. It was not even in the top 10.

Also, I didn’t know that the Americans who refused to wear masks or social distance also refuse to use soap. But okay…

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miraclewhipisgross@reddit

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BankofAmericas@reddit

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miraclewhipisgross@reddit

I admit defeat, I will stop spreading false narratives

airfryerfuntime@reddit

All of the things you listed are why the average American can't afford sufficient heathcare.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

Yes I agree with you, universal healthcare would lower the quality / speed of care

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Proglamer@reddit

Dedicated washing sinks

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AlmightyDarkseid@reddit

Specifically only some Europeans

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The sponge.

Jokes aside, I meant the European colonizers of the 1500s

They had terrible dental health and horrible hygiene compared to Aztec, who regularly bathed and had basic dental health procedures.

Hell, even some European cultures still have a habit of not showering and letting their body odor wild, most people really get a bad first impression in some highly populated French cities.

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_sephylon_@reddit

Even worse of an example, because killing civilians in war is a thing but killing people because you think they’ve done something bad and horrible is even more justifiable than "if we don't kill people every other week the world ends"

Also 99% of the shit people know about witch hunting is made-up myths, most of which Protestant propaganda made to make the Catholics look bad. They weren't burned at the stake, for one.

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onarainyafternoon@reddit

Man you really are just full of misinformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_trials_in_the_early_modern_period

In the early modern period, from about 1400 to 1775, about 100,000 people were prosecuted for witchcraft in Europe and British America.[1] Between 40,000 and 60,000 were executed, almost all in Europe.[2][3] The witch hunts were particularly severe in parts of the Holy Roman Empire. Prosecutions for witchcraft reached a high point from 1560 to 1630,[4][5] during the Counter-Reformation and the European wars of religion. Among the lower classes, accusations of witchcraft were usually made by neighbors,[6] and women and men made formal accusations of witchcraft.[7] Magical healers or 'cunning folk' were sometimes prosecuted for witchcraft, but seem to have made up a minority of the accused.[8][9] Roughly 80% of those convicted were women,[10] most of them over the age of 40.[11][12][13] In some regions, convicted witches were burnt at the stake, the traditional punishment for religious heresy.

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Max2tehPower@reddit

60,000 people in about a 400 year period? So like 160 people a year or even less if we consider that most executions happened in certain periods.

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puff_of_fluff@reddit

I’m gonna take a random guess that the term “ethnocentrism” doesn’t have much meaning for you?

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_sephylon_@reddit

Now tell me how does this relate to anything instead of throwing buzzwords around

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puff_of_fluff@reddit

“Words I don’t know” =/= “buzzwords” lmfao

Go read a book sometime buddy. They’ll give you some good recommendations in freshman Lit.

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Flamefull-the-meme@reddit

The Romans committed multiple genocides and ritual sacrifices on the steps of Jupiter’s temple.

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_sephylon_@reddit

Did the Roman Empire fight the Aztecs

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gishgudi@reddit

Yeah violence is unfortunately a part of survival for the vast majority of species. However ritualistically cutting out the hearts of unwilling people to offer to the sun is mega regarded

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Ok? Many languages and cultures die.

My own culture has been in decline for decades. Perhaps the Aztecs should have been Nicer.

Race is a social construct just like gender. If Mexicans want a white Jesus let them have it

“Who benefited from salvation” Literally the thousands of native that sided with Spaniards who were sick of being brutalized by the Aztecs 😂

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TrafalgarMathias@reddit

Okay, bro. Good for you. At least you have a culture that can decline. For the Mexicans, their culture was subject to genocide and pillage, and now they worship the same people who did it, while rejecting their own heritage. Viewed literally for the facts of how that has played out, it's a cultural travesty with a profound cultural gaslighting effect that continues to perpetuate itself.

There’s a difference between Christianity (a religion designed around ending pagan human/ animal sacrifice)

And a culture that is built around human sacrifice

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TrafalgarMathias@reddit

Again, we're talking about the capacity for change over X period of time. Not the intensity of it over X period. It took ages for Christianity and European societies to appear half as civilized as they are now.

It, honestly, would have taken the American Natives longer in a vacuum, but my main point is to dispel the talking point that assigns them the inherent incapacity to change and evolve.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

My intention was never to say they couldn’t evolve change, that goes against literally all of human history

My point is that the colonization of the Americas was ultimately a good thing for humanity

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TrafalgarMathias@reddit

Look, man. I'll throw you a bone. You're maybe right, and only - strictly only - if you limit yourself to the Aztecs; and only because they were the most barbarous. The North American Indians are by all historical accounts a bunch of legitimate victims, who only really retaliated when colonists repeatedly encroached upon them with aggressive intent. I don't know enough about the other South and Central American tribes to make a judgment call, but I do know there aren't whole chapters of history dedicated to them being barbarous ala Aztecs.

So maybe you have a point for basically the Yucatan Penninsula.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Northern natives were innocent” dude this is also an ahistorical rhetoric. Just look at the Comanche. Brutal civilization that took whites and blacks as slaves. Would skin people alive and were so effective at killing. It took the invention of the 6 shot revolver by Samuel colt for the texas rangers to finally turn the tide of battle

“Retaliated” they retaliated by killing innocent women and children settlers. Were they also victims ?

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TrafalgarMathias@reddit

After they were encroached upon. Do you even know what America did to the natives? How many treaties were violated, time and time again? Or do you only care when its your people who get caught in the crossfire?

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Do you know what happened to the natives”

Ofc it’s core curriculum in our schools

Are you aware of the amount of native lives spared by Lincoln ? How much natives have got and continued to receive in reparations ? No other native group in human history has gotten the reparations native Americans have

Both sides did good and bad. Both sides were just trying to survive . It’s as simple as that

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TrafalgarMathias@reddit

Simple? Hah. History is many things, but it is far from simple. How convenient. The Colonists were aggressors. There are many accounts thats verify this. Lincoln and other leaders wouldn't have had to 'spare' anyone if it wasn't for the fact that the first colonists were abusive bullies who kept trying to get more and more out of their relationship with the Indians. Fuck, man. You want to talk about Presidents? Andrew Jackson. The Trail of Tears? Manifest Destiny. The eradication of the Bison so as to literally starve them.

Get your history straight.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

“Simple” my point was literally that history is nuanced and NOT good vs evil.

“All the colonists every single one were aggressors” now THAT is simply history 🤭

“Lincoln wouldn’t have needed to spare-“ close! It was the native senator started the Dakota war that kills hundreds of innocent settlers. Why do you have a grudge against peaceful immigrants ?

Again both sides. Accept it or cope

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TrafalgarMathias@reddit

Do you feel good adding words into other people's quotes? Or are you as illiterate and delusional as you are historically challenged? I sure love my strawman arguments. You probably learned how to argue at the Ben Shapiro School for Good Imperialists.

I did not say 'every single one' - but I do appreciate a glimpse into how your mind works, if only to disappoint.

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JustChillin3456@reddit

I honestly had no idea how else to interpret that “settlers are aggressors” 😂

Ben Shapiro? I’d slay him on sight

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Epicmitch197@reddit

The important distinction is the “exposure to other cultures” if every culture available (geographically) practices something, until proven otherwise by a different culture it would continue to be the norm, and would continue to happen.

I very generally agree with this but it does leave out a crucial part of the (really don’t want to sound insensitive here) good that came out of the colonization of the region as well. If we are going to talk about current negative ripple effect of colonization you kinda have to talk about the eventual good (various technologies) which “offsets” at least some of the suffering. So I don’t think the morality question is completely pointless, as it does serve as an interesting hypothetical for good discussion nonetheless.

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Well considering they introduced disease that would wipe out half of the native population they could have just stayed away as that really dwarfs anything the Aztecs ever did

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JustChillin3456@reddit

How could they prevent something they didn’t know existed ?

FunnyP-aradox@reddit

Aren't all of those divisable and made of singularities ?

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Leozito42@reddit

Fundamental particles and the 4 universal forces are the simplest means we have to explain physics. They behave more like waves in a field then particles and we don't know yet if there are many fields or just one indivisible thing.

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Greencheezy@reddit

Google the difference between theory vs hypothesis, you fucking moron

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Alive_Ice7937@reddit

How many atoms have you seen?

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SpottedWobbegong@reddit

Unimaginable numbers of them, technically.

Our theory is backed up by countless experiments, theirs was just imagination. It's very impressive, yes, but I wouldn't call it knowing.

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Altruistic-Local-541@reddit

we don't really know anything either, we just have better experiments and can guess with more confidence

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Retnuhswag@reddit

We definitely know more than you’re leading on with this comment.

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Zackie86@reddit

Go on Google images, type "photo of atom" you will find a few

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PomegranateHot9916@reddit

>Smoking, cars, deforestation on an unprecedented scale, eating so much processed/fried food

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Quolley@reddit

Yeah exactly, so reply to Cheese Nexus and not the guy adding to the point. At that point you're putting words into someone else's mouth

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Antanarau@reddit

But I did???? Like, and I can't stress this enough, I replied to CheeseNexus who replied to me.

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Quolley@reddit

My bad you're right, I read that wrong

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Antanarau@reddit

25 or more (Judging by the upvotes) people telling me that I replied to the wrong person without even reading who I replied to

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And with allowing morons to pilot 3 ton death machines with the pathetic licensing standards we have...

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_bully-hunter_@reddit

I mean not if the person viewing history realizes cars came into existence and prevalence well before the automation capable of safely operating them did

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SergenteA@reddit

MICROPLASTICS

To be fair, it is all a leaded gas situation. Or even leaded water tubes, like ancient Rome had. Some scientists may know it is a terrible idea. Society however just looks at how much money they can save and closes off their ears.

FunnyP-aradox@reddit

You can have houses and trams/bus driving you to the neibourghood, no need to have appartement complexes to have public transport

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ImJLu@reddit

Hope you haven't been complaining about the prices of gas that you insist on needing then 🤷

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SortOfSpaceDuck@reddit

Solution to cars? Rebuild every city. Good one.

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Jwkaoc@reddit

You don't need to completely rebuild every city. That's absurd. You can make improvements and adjustments to what's there. We already did it once starting in the 50's. We can do it again if the willpower is there. It just isn't for the most part.

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benjyvail@reddit

That would be absurdly expensive. Some communities can barely maintain existing roads, how the on earth are they to afford a redesign and maintenance of expensive infrastructure like light rail. Also walkability requires population density, you can’t just redesign most US communities and somehow generate ridership to justify the costs, people just aren’t going to use it.

EquivalentSnap@reddit

Sure but it means those homes are more expensive and further away

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ITheBirdKingI@reddit

It’s a skew from how people will live in the future. At a certain point we can expect all cars to be autonomous. Most will probably be terrified of the idea of controlling a death machine on a daily basis that they’ve never had to operate themselves.

Plus, I could see a future renewable resource becoming available causing future generations to go “they used gross shit from the ground to power their fucking cars?”

real talk though, it's absolutely disgusting how many people don't wash hands. Like, ever.

Next time you're in a public bathroom, keep watch. Eyes on your own dicklet and all, but use your peripherals to observe and see how many men don't wash after using the bathroom.

And if you aren't washing after taking a fat dookie or squeezing the sausage... it's probably safe to say they nearly never do.

It's absolutely foul. These are the same dudes touching handrails, buttons, carts, door handles, etc that you are. Maybe even preparing your food.

Wash wash wash every opportunity you can.

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sassystardragon@reddit

Real talk my dick is cleaner than any surface in that washroom, if I have to touch literally anything TO wash my hands ill leave and apply hard sanitizer.

If I touch stuff in the washroom then whatever ill wash full soap and lather and such but if I've avoided everything except the base of my shaft then fuck outta here touching everyone else's shit and piss germs TO wash my hands.

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Reading_username@reddit

Remember folks, these are the kinds of people you are surrounded by in public.

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sassystardragon@reddit

People that use hand sanitizer?

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ItBelikeThatSomeTme_@reddit

People who put self importance over public health

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vjmdhzgr@reddit

He was put in a mental hospital because he was an obstetrician working in the dirtiest hospital in Europe so he caught syphilis which eventually developed into neurosyphilis which really does make you insane.

Though the mental hospital he was sent to was absolutely horrible they basically just executed him slowly over the course of two weeks in there. The general concept of Semmelweis being sent to a mental hospital would be correct.

Also when I went to check exactly how his death went I found that the rejection of his ideas is greatly overstated. There were a bunch of British doctors that agreed with his ideas and began spreading them, reportedly very successfully. And actually the first response he received from a British doctor was that Austria-Hungary must have no knowledge of british obstetrical literature, because he had already found out that childbed fever was contagious and chlorine washing should be used to protect from it.

page 174 of this book https://archive.org/details/etiologyconcepta0000unse/page/174/mode/2up

On the page before that he actually mentions a favorable review from the chief physician at the imperial hospital in vienna.

Getting to the ones critical of him, there's some decent criticisms about the way he conducted the experiment, and lots of hospitals going like "We already don't do dissections and childbirths by the same people."

It's a lot more, "I think there's a different cause to this problem than just "corpse contamination" and so there are probably better solutions, and we should be trying different things instead." than "You dare insult my heavenly doctory hands? These could never spread a disease!" To my understanding his treatment at his home hospital was quite negative, which was probably something of a "I couldn't have been responsible for killing all these women at the worst hospital in the country! It must be Semmelweis who's wrong!" But the wider medical response seems pretty reasonable actually.

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TheTMJ@reddit

It was widely accepted and recorded in texts by then.

It was figured out multiple times. It just never survived outside of certain areas as knowledge wasn’t properly accumulated and assimilated by conquering empires.

Europe could have discovered it earlier but the doctor who made the connection went against the established norms and was ostracised and discredited, which still happens today, albeit less frequently

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piketpagi@reddit

Most water wasn’t safe to drink so their primary means of hydration was alcoholic beverages.

Everyone was too sloshed.

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gooberphta@reddit

Quit spreadin misinformation, they drank low alcohol beverages as a food, they knew that shitting and drinking in the same river wasnt great, they had wells. I

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TheMacarooniGuy@reddit

Maybe they knew it, but knowledge doesn't make water clean

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Kotoy77@reddit

wells have clean water bro

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TheMacarooniGuy@reddit

Yeah, but wells don't exist anywhere you want them to exist.

They're also only as clean as the water feeding it too. Humans and other animals and their different activities in our society can be pretty dirty. I don't know about you but if I lived back in the middle ages I would opt out of drinking from wells if possible.

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Okaoka_12@reddit

Seriously it took that long? Now I'm wondering what else we don't know

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Marciano_il_Mario@reddit

Yet Anon still hasn't figured out how to bathe.

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MrYougan@reddit

No it didn't, but stupid myth depicting pass generations as more stupid than the current one are very hard to kill.

Wich is why we still have books calling the early medieval "the dark age".

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agentofmidgard@reddit

On a related note, remember when celebrities filmed tutorials on how to wash hands during the lockdown?

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Treqou@reddit

200 million years of evolution baby to get wiped out by an invisible boogy man. Open your eyes sheeple /s

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BankofAmericas@reddit

America did not have “the highest number of Covid deaths” either in total or per capita. It is not even in the top 10.

Haven't seen it mentioned here but the reason European doctors didn't wash their hands was because they genuinely believed 'a gentleman's hands are never dirty' and the mortality rate of women during labor was high because doctors would legitimately handle corpses/perform autopsies before delivering a baby without washing or cleaning themselves and pass on god knows what to the immuno-compromised mothers.

Then the guy who suggested doctors should wash their hands was publicly shamed, discredited and tricked by other doctors into an asylum where he was beaten by guards for trying to leave and died of sepsis stemming from injuries from the beating.

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