Air India crash probe that killed 260 enters final stage, report in a month.
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Smart_Rest_2159@reddit
I must admit that I suspected the captain but I am not that convinced anymore. I believe that WATER brought the 787 down and that the pilots (and Captain's father) will be vindicated.
After a frame by frame review, the not-so-independent SMF alleged that the RAT deployed before the switches going off. No American sources confirmed this, but SMF would look like fools if untrue.
In 2019, ANA 985 proved that TCMA can cut the engines by itself if it believes that it is on the ground.
My new revised little theory; there was excessive water somewhere IN the plane, due possibly to flooding from a toilet or excessive A/C (it was 38 deg C). [b]During rotation, the water got in touch with something electronic and TCMA decided that it was on the ground...[/b]
It is quite possible that a lot of people here will have to eat their words back!
Taken from safetymatters
https://safetymatters.co.in/did-the-emergency-power-come-on-before-the-fuel-was-cut-off/
[img]https://i0.wp.com/safetymatters.co.in/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/slide_15.jpg[/img]
Again, unconfirmed by American sources.
There were multiple FAA Airworthiness Directives (ADs) addressing water-related issues on the Boeing 787 since June 2025, including this one released two weeks ago.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2026/04/29/2026-08306/airworthiness-directives-the-boeing-company-airplanes
[quote]The NPRM was prompted by reports of a loss of water pressure during flight and water leaks that affected multiple pieces of electronic equipment.[/quote]
It looks to me Air India will be blamed heavily for poor maintenance, a reputation that they constantly deserve.
This new narrative sounds way more intuitive than an established 56yo,described by colleagues as professional/meticulous/well-respected & looking for retirement... going rogue... not impossible but doesn't make much sense.
Quaternary23@reddit
Ah yes bringing up a theory that has been brought up and dismissed and discarded already. You’re very smart. Can’t wait for your comment to age poorly as the final report basically ends up concluding and confirming pilot suicide in a month.
Smart_Rest_2159@reddit
Not even true that it has been discarded (nothing has been discarded) and you can lose some little attitude.
Quaternary23@reddit
Your comment will still age poorly. Watch
Smart_Rest_2159@reddit
No problem. In the meantime I don't know if it is related OR NOT to this crash, see the January 2022 incident where VT-ANB AI181 had 60+ faults + a fire ... WHILE FLYING; the main panel power burned, nothing less. You can see a photo of the VT-ANB's burned panel at page 7 of this report, published on avherald. It was for the US Senate, not a public report (unconvinced by its general content, but this very serious incident happened).
https://avherald.com/files/Senate%20PSI%20Presentation%20-%20Jan%2012,%202026.pdf[/quote]
Quaternary23@reddit
Yeah the fact that you’re on airliners.net and likely other sites spreading your stupid theory tells me to not take you seriously. I’ll wait for the final report to conclude pilot suicide (intentional act).
ByebyeParachute@reddit
It’s really simple. Air India is dangerous and their regulatory body cannot be trusted. You couldn’t pay me ANY amount of money to fly it.
HiBuddySam@reddit
This is the real reason coupled with the aircraft being boeing
that_can_eh_dian_guy@reddit
I know it's cool and all to hate on Boeing, but you can't really blame them for intentional pilot actions like that....
Quaternary23@reddit
Except it’s not cool and all to hate on Boeing. Not to mention the haters dick ride and worship Airbus while they’re at it.
Gloomy-Employment-72@reddit
Airbus, Boeing, Embraer…doesn’t matter. If the pilot hits the fuel cutoffs, you’re only going as far as the crash site.
SA1996@reddit
I just hope Captain Sumeet's father is alive when the report is published.
He deserves to know his son was a coward.
Tinosdoggydaddy@reddit
No airline likes to admit they have pilots on payroll who, on any given day, can point the airplane at the ground and kill everyone on board. Air India will publish a slightly altered version of the facts and hope the public buys-in…they won’t. This pilot (the Captain, left seat) is one of the largest mass murderers to ever live. The airline industry needs to get a handle on how to evaluate mental health of their pilots on a regular basis.
Command0Dude@reddit
Was it established he was the one who cut the engines? Last time I heard about this it was still an open question which pilot had done it.
Tinosdoggydaddy@reddit
Can it be proven without doubt? Maybe never. It was pretty clearly the co-pilot’s voice that said “why did you cut-off?” And the captain replied “I didn’t”
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
I have some experience with risk assessments for people that have severe mental illnesses and have committed crimes. It's pretty hard, and it helps if the person isn't very smart so it is harder for them to predict the "right" answers.
Predicting which pilots will do this is going to be impossible. To be sufficiently sensitive you'd be getting thousands of false positives for each true positive
chaosattractor@reddit
Since when did airlines publish accident reports? What all are y'all yapping about
Inverted-Rockets@reddit
The issue isn’t with evaluating per se, but with the plethora of disincentives pilots have to be honest during those evals. The rules around returning to duty are strict and time consuming, doubly so if any medication is prescribed. Then even if you come back, it follows you for the rest of your career in the form of physical records and a notable gap in your resume.
Many see it as choosing between their career and their mental health, and that simply can’t be the case if we want a safe aviation system.
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
Are there articles about it
LevoiHook@reddit
O have no idea why people are getting upset by questions like this. It wasn't clear from the preliminary rapport who said what. I will just wait with my judgement until full information has been provided.
Numerous_Car650@reddit
100% … national pride has no place in the pursuit of safety.
Az1234er@reddit
They’ll have to include cabin full audio transcript. It was suspiciously absent from the preliminary report despite being fairly important and instead we had half baked tidbits
peterpanic32@reddit
No, it wasn't suspiciously absent. Those are very rarely released in preliminary reports.
SAMEO416@reddit
I never claimed the CVR should be in the prelim report - read what I wrote, not what you think I wrote. The CVR detail might be in the final report, as opposed to one line snipped out of context.
What is conspicuous in the prelim report is the lack of a unified FDR based timeline. That is very typical in a prelim report. And if the FDR wasn’t available it would be stated, instead the prelim report is salted with pieces that could only come from the FDR, but in no unified way. There’s also ACARS data which isn’t mentioned.
I’ve been reading those reports for decades, and this one stood out as a weirdly presented report. Contrast it with the prelim report for the ET-302 crash to see what I mean.
I’m not presupposing the result, but I’m no where near as self-assured about the cause as you all appear to be.
The worst thing an investigator can do is make preliminary decisions about causation before all the data are available.
SAMEO416@reddit
Yes. Almost like the preliminary report was intended to be misleading.
The CVR is one critical piece supporting whatever causes are established in the report.
The other is release of FDR traces. Many of the outstanding questions can’t be answered conclusively without establishing systems states. As an example, one key timing point is when RAT deployment occurred.
peterpanic32@reddit
What was misleading about it?
Not really, the record of the fuel switches being flipped to cutoff is the most critical piece of evidence.
It almost never happens that black box recordings would be released in the preliminary report.
The information isn't released to you for you to make your own independent evaluation of what the air crash investigators are evaluating.
Why do you think this is a key timing point?
SAMEO416@reddit
Preliminary reports typically present a unified timeline of events and, if the FDR has been processed, a preliminary plot of some parameters.
I’ve never seen a prelim report that seemed to be written specifically to confuse the timing of events. Some events are indexed to the FDR, some are unattributed, some are not fully described.
I’m not going to argue the point as you’re all comfortable in your convictions. Except one thing.
The prelim report no where states that the switches were physically moved. Everyone has made that conclusion including most media, but it’s not what the report stated. The word used is ‘transitioned’. It’s a very specific word choice, when it would have been simpler to just say the switches were moved.
I’ve worked in aerospace engineering a long while, and done aircraft accident investigations. Detecting the state of a physical switch connected to a digital system is not trivial - if the digital record indicated a state transition in the switch, the next question is interpreting the meaning. If the system is detecting +28 volts and using that to derive the switch position, what happens to that state assessment if there’s a loss of 28 volt power? The digital detection may interpret that as a state transition, even though the switch may not have physically moved. You can add additional detection to test for that condition, but there’s no mention of any of that in the prelim report.
There has never been a commercial aircraft designed like the 787. Assumptions based on past experience won’t always work as it is a digital system, highly integrated, which creates all kinds of novel failure modes.
As a parallel, there have been 4 or so dual engine failures on modern aircraft, due to the thrust control module faulting. That was entirely unexpected but was a new, emergent failure mode due to the digital systems.
railker@reddit
Well thankfully nobody crowdsources accident investigations to the general public. It's a free country, we can all feel free to speculate on what we have, but let's not pretend like we need that data as if it's our job to figure out what happened and they're stopping us from doing that.
They released a preliminary and their next obligation is an interim or a final report in June.
railker@reddit
Absolutely not, I'm trying to think of any Preliminary report that had the transcript from the CVR and am struggling. We didn't get one for the Jazz CRJ crash in LaGuardia or the DCA crash in 2025.
That transcript takes hundreds of hours of work from a dedicated team. Like the Jazz accident they can release a general guide or bits of relevant information, but times have to be correlated, sounds have to be identified. That's not happening in 30 days. Period. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never read accident reports.
Main_Violinist_3372@reddit
Looking forward in a month when this releases and the Indian ultranationalists kick and scream that it was a “Boeing coverup” and can’t fathom the fact that the Captain was a suicidal mass murderer
TheEvilBlight@reddit
It could only have been Boeings fault
Vectron383@reddit
So we can expect a few more attempts at diverting attention from the obvious cause, political squabbling and probably one more kooky theory being spread by those with vested interests
sofixa11@reddit
Who are those with vested interests? The families of the pilots and the victims?
Because I know this sub likes circlejerking about India doing a coverup but a) India has had multiple embarrassing air crash investigations not covered up and b) there has been zero indication of anything from the investigators or the government after the initial arguments with the NTSB about who opens the black boxes and where. The preliminary report and all the leaks have been abundantly clear
goro-n@reddit
The Chief Justice of India’s Supreme Court told the father of the pilot that the crash was not due to pilot actions. Make of that what you will.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c33pzypkkdzo
sofixa11@reddit
Do you think it's the supreme court justices who do air crash investigations?
Vectron383@reddit
I think a sitting judge on the highest court of a country which at best can be described as a hybrid regime (in the context of democratic/autocratic) might have quite a bit of influence over other government bodies. Anybody disagree?
chaosattractor@reddit
Yes actually because shockingly enough separation of powers is a thing that exists
To hear y'all talk, one wouldn't realise that the facts of the case that you're ever so sanctimonious about were released in a preliminary report by India's DGCA as opposed to heroically unearthed by some whistleblower
Vectron383@reddit
‘Separation of powers’ would mean the judges stayed in their lane and didn’t get involved in the case. Instead, the Supreme Court literally made a statement that “nobody in India believes it was the pilots’ fault”
Do you understand how insane it is for individuals in positions of power with zero aviation experience, let alone air accident experience, to make such a sweeping statement? Clearly a good chunk of Indians have already made their mind up with the way they refuse to acknowledge the most likely cause of the accident, but a Supreme Court judge making statements like what I’ve quoted 100% has an influence on public opinion and clearly was made to try and exert influence over the report
chaosattractor@reddit
No, actually, separation of powers means that the judge can say whatever the fuck they like and the party responsible for actually investigating the accident is and remains India's AAIB.
The literal PRESIDENT of the United States blamed "DEI" for the midair collision at DCA just last year and his minions still bleat about the army helicopter pilot being a woman to this day. But I didn't see any of you chucklefucks whining about how that meant the obviously ongoing investigation wasn't obviously going to proceed normally. Oh wow, it's almost as if you understand what "separation of powers" actually means when it's a western country!
Again, do you idiots not realise that the facts of the case you're using to claim that the investigation won't be carried out properly...came FROM INDIA?
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railker@reddit
They might, but as it stands that judge is no part of the investigation in any way, shape or form and those who ARE conducting the investigation have so far adhered to ICAO Annex 13.
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit
Why are you so defensive?
sofixa11@reddit
Because I find it infuriating how random Americans have decided, based on no knowledge or facts, that India will do a coverup. Even though we already have the preliminary report which is pretty damn clear.
And no, I'm not Indian, I've never been. But I know when to research, when to speculate, and when to shut up because I have no clue.
Vectron383@reddit
I’m not American lol
CaptainPonahawai@reddit
How do you know that they are American?
Seems you're making assumptions based on limited knowledge and facts too?
peterpanic32@reddit
Yes, plus several elements of the government.
That's correct and fair...
Though numerous other parties have been far more questionable about this, including several elements of the Indian government. The AAIB is clearly under a lot of pressure, and if they come through with an honest report, good on them.
kbuva19@reddit
China 🤝 India
Friendly_Kangaroo877@reddit
China didn't even release a preliminary report atleast india didn't hide anything and released the preliminary report and will also release the complete report
The_MadStork@reddit
Malaysia feeling left out
GatotSubroto@reddit
Meanwhile Germany sitting in the corner being sad about being forgotten…
Albort@reddit
it makes me wonder how they will twist this. blame the plane?
Chumsicle@reddit
Cockpit color scheme
fadsoftoday@reddit
Shhhhhhh!
LostInAPortal@reddit
It would be interesting to see if India releases the CVR transcripts. It’s not known for transparency if I go through their past reports
Friendly_Kangaroo877@reddit
What past reports?? Are these past reports in the room with us? I'm just shocked at this much blatant disinformation being spread against indian aviation board. India released the preliminary report in a month and gave every detail without any coverup and will release the complete report in under a year. Why are u people just blatantly lying about something u have no knowledge of? What do u gain by it?
chaosattractor@reddit
What past reports specifically did you go through to come to this conclusion or did you pull that right out of your ass?
LostInAPortal@reddit
Go through all the listed reports and see for yourself
chaosattractor@reddit
Mmm, so you should be able to name a single report you looked at then?
LostInAPortal@reddit
Not here to convince anyone. Do your own homework
chaosattractor@reddit
Yeah so you just pulled some bullshit out of your ass. Good talk!
HatRemov3r@reddit
“We have investigated ourselves and concluded we’ve done nothing wrong”
creatorop@reddit
All the leaks have all been towards the intentional act tho
HatRemov3r@reddit
I will not.
sofixa11@reddit
Why? Are you that proud of how stupid and probably racist you are? (There is zero reason India, a country with at least three embarrassing and highly critical of institutions air crash investigations I can think of, would cover this up. If you had bothered to check you'd know that, but you didn't, so I'm going with racism)
HatRemov3r@reddit
Are you literally blind?
sofixa11@reddit
Are you? Did you bother to look at previous investigations in India?
HatRemov3r@reddit
Yep. Corruption all around.
sofixa11@reddit
Do cite examples
HatRemov3r@reddit
**gestures broadly**
sofixa11@reddit
Excellent examples, thank you.
Next time do us all a favour and keep your genius to yourself.
Inspyur@reddit
It’s so hard to put into words how frustrating it is seeing someone’s low IQ give them the confidence to be so ignorant.
chaosattractor@reddit
Don't waste your breath, this sub will continue to pretend that it hasn't been incredibly, obviously racist/xenophobic in its discussion of this accident.
goro-n@reddit
The Chief Justice of India’s Supreme Court told the father of the pilot that the crash was not due to pilot actions. Make of that what you will.
creatorop@reddit
CJI does not conduct the investigations
Hope you'd know that
goro-n@reddit
Courts can order probes, they can order reports sealed or unsealed, and they can direct agencies to take actions. It’s not a stretch to suggest one of those things may happen in this case.
sofixa11@reddit
I'm making of it nothing, because the preliminary report is quite obvious, and supreme court justices do not perform air crash investigations.
Telepornographer@reddit
That's not what the preliminary report said, though.
Telepornographer@reddit
People keep saying this but the preliminary report didn't seem to be trying to hide anything and the investigation is moving at a pretty normal pace.
SA1996@reddit
The report could be written in 2 pages.
We all know what happened.
Cheetawolf@reddit
Two words.
Pilot Suicide.
Snck_Pck@reddit
Are we expecting this to be the result of intentional pilot acts?
lordtema@reddit
Yes.
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
How do we know?
The last I remember was the black box where the 2nd seat asks why he shut the power off and the captain says he didnt?
AdditionalAsk159@reddit
My personal theory is that he lied. Based on what I have seen, it is near impossible to shut power by accident.
I will of course wait for the final report, but I don't know if I will trust it. The industry as a whole needs to change and get better at recognizing and safely treating pilots' mental health.
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
did they fail at same time or like, left and then right?
ooookay@reddit
Switches were sequentially flipped to kill power to each engine
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
ohhh ewf. Yeah - that's ..... intentional.
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
FWIW - I found this.
https://old.reddit.com/r/indianaviation/comments/1m2fuj9/captain_sumeet_sabharwal_ai171_and_beyond/n3v9leh/
Ok-Poet-568@reddit
Really went fishing
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
Man this sub is full of assholes 🤣
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awarapu2@reddit
Yeah, you’re making that pretty obvious 🙃
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
Wut
FrankReynoldsCPA@reddit
You really really need this to not be an intentional act. Why?
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
Oh no I don’t haha.
I just searched his name and found that and thought it was worth sharing.
I’ve been depressed; I’ve had suicidal solutions to silly problems.
(Not a pilot btw)-
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
People don't murder hundreds of people because they are depressed. This is more like suicide bomber than a suicide due to mental illness.
bohemian-soul-bakery@reddit
No.
As someone who has had depression, it is dark and committing acts of violence is exciting. There's an aspect of making others feel bad, like you always do.
It is NOT a fun place to be.
Tangata_Tunguska@reddit
That's super unusual, and concerning, ngl
Foryourconsideration@reddit
a dreamliner is one of the safest planes in the world. it is doubly impossible for the power to just shut off on this one 787.
peterpanic32@reddit
Both fuel switches were successively, manually flipped to cutoff at the most critical point of the flight. Why are you ignoring the most important part?
The pilot flying asked why the other pilot why they cutoff the fuel and they denied it... but surely you see why taking that at face value is meaningless.
railker@reddit
That'd be the easy end to the prison overcrowding system.
'Well the guy says he didn't do it, so this case is closed, let's all go home.'
birdperson09@reddit
If it was suicide, what would even be the motive? I’m not sure whether the AAIB investigates motive or only focuses on what caused the crash. In previous pilot suicide cases, was there ever a confirmed reason why they did it?
peterpanic32@reddit
Lol, you're unable to contemplate the potential motives of something that a million people do every year, and millions more attempt? It's one of the leading causes of death among prime aged people.
There are millions of potential motives.
It's effectively impossible to confirm motive for suicide unless they literally tell you their motive (e.g., through a note). You can only speculate.
birdperson09@reddit
Lol I was just wondering and that’s why I asked. People in this sub seem to be hating on a genuine question. Aviation is such a closely monitored and health conscious field, so pilots deciding to bring down an aircraft and kill everyone onboard is something people naturally want to understand better.
In recent suspected cases like MH370, China Eastern and now Air India, the suicide angle keeps coming up, yet there’s still very little public information about motive. Considering the level of planning involved in some of these acts, I feel there has to be something deeper going on psychologically in at least some pilot suicide cases.
A person wanting to die is one thing but taking 200-400 other people along with them feels fundamentally different from ordinary suicide statistics. I agree impulsiveness can play a role, but I’d still like agencies, whether crash investigators or judicial authorities to investigate the underlying causes behind these kinds of acts.
peterpanic32@reddit
Probably because no one thinks your ask is genuine.
Mental health challenges are universal. There's no single cause. Surely you understand this. You're being intentionally obtuse.
People do these things thousands of times a day literally all over the world.
I already told you, "It's effectively impossible to "confirm" motive for suicide unless they literally tell you their motive (e.g., through a note). You can only speculate or deduce."
Why do you think there's planning involved in these acts?
I already told you - most male suicides are highly impulse based. Neither China Eastern nor Air India indicate the slightest amount of planning - it doesn't take any planning to flip the fuel switches or push the yoke down.
It's insanely rare. You're talking two incidents in a decade.
People still do similar things all the time all over the world.
And what? If the dude was depressed because his wife left him, then what?
What exactly is your point?
sofixa11@reddit
The BEA final report about that Germanwings crash covers the medical history of the perpetrator, but doesn't go into discussing a motive: https://bea.aero/uploads/tx_elydbrapports/BEA2015-0125.en-LR.pdf
It's probably out of scope for them.
Telepornographer@reddit
Exactly. So many people here don't seem to realize that these investigations are not about liability or motives; those are legal matters.
LucidNonsense211@reddit
That’s one deadly probe…
ThirdSunRising@reddit
They really need to look into why these investigations are so deadly
theloopweaver@reddit
Indeed. Came here to point out the crash blossom.
ScaryDuck2@reddit
Mfs will live on this earth for 40 years and still not know how to use basic grammar lol
PozhanPop@reddit
It will be just like the CAAC, Ethiopian and Egyptair reports, as family and national honor are at at stake here. I would be really surprise if CFIT by the pilot is stated as the cause.
lordtema@reddit
It was not CFIT. The Captain pulled the fuel cutoff switches right after V1 dooming the entire plane in the process.
PozhanPop@reddit
I meant after he shut the the fuel off, CFIT
BiggyShake@reddit
damn, why they killing people during the probe?
goro-n@reddit
Many Bothans died to bring us this probe
EmotioneelKlootzak@reddit
4 out of 5 comments on this thread are automated bots, this is getting kind of ridiculous.
maverick4002@reddit
How do you know when its a bot?
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Most "official" bots (which is what OP was talking about) have a gray hexagonal icon next to their username with the word "app" (on mobile, IDK about new or old reddit on desktop). They also often will say "this action was performed automatically" or something like that.
baseballlover723@reddit
The app label does not show up at all on old reddit. But it does on sh reddit.
usgapg123@reddit
Bots should be labeled with a “Bot” tag.
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How do you know that? Or do we assume when we don’t agree it’s a bot? Just curious when redditors say bots are here
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You weren't just "asking questions" you were trying to be smug. There were literally mod bots going haywire and those posts got deleted.
mynewusernamedodgers@reddit
How would I know that hahaha being smug. Aviation sub is full of snobs lmao.
DeathToHeretics@reddit
Because it wasn't about asking a question, it was about being pretentious lmfao
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It’s literally accounts with bot in the name, like AmputatorBot
danit0ba94@reddit
I see literally one single supposed bot account with bot in the name. A.putatorBot.
That's the only one. I don't know what you people are talking about. There are not multiple bots in this comment section.
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There was three “please provide a source” bots, they’ve been deleted now
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Post explainer bot is/was broken site wide.
Aksds@reddit
Because it’s the sub Reddits automated mod bot…. Nothing about agreeing or not, it’s literally just a bot
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No they're literally bots. The post-explainer bot is broken and posted 3 times and then OP posted an AMP link so the AMPutator bot posted
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Yeah I think their post-explainer bot is broken. And repeating it self.
Twitter_2006@reddit
Pilot suicide for me. It was intentional.
s0ulfire@reddit
Picking sides before the report is published ?
Gold-Mine-Trash@reddit
Captain or FO?
Eat_Turnip2193@reddit
Sabharwal
christopher_msa@reddit
Cap
christopher_msa@reddit
Same
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The probe into the Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner crash that killed 260 people last year has reached the final stage, and the final report will “mostly” be released within one month, Civil Aviation Minister Ram Mohan Naidu said.
"As per the information we have received, the investigation is in its final stages. However, the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) is conducting the probe independently, and we have provided them with all the resources they require. We expect the process may take around another month," he said.