Backed by (((eclipse ventures))) owned by lior susan. Another jewndoggle moonshot that'll mysteriously get $100M in govt funding, then fold the next day. Expect lior to be sipping mai tais on a tel Aviv beach this time next year.
THERE IS NO DRIVER SHORTAGE 😕
It's a driver pay that's short.
That said I see more Waymo than taxies today and it's only a matter of time.
Stupidest thing is a waymo hit a child in a school zone. The engineer working for waymo said it would have been worse. Had it been a human driver they wouldn't have stopped as fast. I'm a professional driver. I don't drive in school zones when kids are letting out and if I do I watch out for kids even ones running on sidewalks. Would I have hit the kid? I don't think so. As a professional I would have known better and not been there. Can't wait till a semi follows Google maps to the delivery zone, just think all of the tree trimming the company would be providing. LOL don't let your kids become truck drivers.
I am working on getting my CDL now and wanted to leave the IT industry. You have no idea how upsetting it is to see this crap! Knowing another industry is about to go away. AI/Automation is not progress, it is working class extinction.
The government is not going to protect the working class, no matter how bad things become for us. This is our future.
People in Silicon Valley really do just be sitting around drinking lattes and giggling to themselves thinking of hypothetical means to take away jobs from people before being replaced themselves.
It's stupid to us but it's fucking genius to investors and CEOs and safety regulators. Like it or not trucking is cooked sooner or later. The best thing truckers can do is learn a different trade. Older truckers don't have much to worry about but younger drivers will find themselves competing for a shrinking pool of jobs until the pay drops to minimum wage and eventually those will disappear as well when used trucks like this start hitting the market. This has already started and it will not wait until we're ready to lose our jobs. Our world is about to become almost entirely automated. And while the rich enjoy their 8 month luxury vacations and lives of leisure, those of us who fail to adapt to the new world will live in absolute slavery and poverty. We will all be forced into service jobs making just enough to stay aliveband dependant on their "generosity"
I just can’t be that doom and gloom about it. Automation and AI are going to happen, but I think society will have to come up with a way to meet the needs (and most wants) of the people. Something like the “universal high income” some people have imagined.
Billionaires do not think note care about how the American people will survive 10 or 20 years from now. They see the ability to literally get rid of employees and raking in Billions more right now. AI and Automation exist for one reason! That reason is not to make regular people's jobs or lives easier, the reason is not to create more jobs. The reason the technology exists is to do as much of the work possible so 100% of the profit goes to the shareholders and owner. The American working class is absolutely FKED! If anyone thinks differently then they must be living a fever dream.
People piss and moan about feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. Any UBI we start to receive will be less than the bare minimum. And they'll piss and moan about that too
I think America does a pretty good job with feeding the hungry between food banks, charities, and government programs. There isn’t much real hunger in the US. People “piss and moan” about abuse of the system and they probably should, especially when they are working to pay for it. If the majority of people can’t work I think people will react differently.
Also, the homelessness problem in the US is more of a mental health and drug abuse problem than anything else. It’s mostly a problem because we tolerate it. Which isn’t compassion. It should be an inpatient issue but we shut down our mental health capacities in the 80s and 90s like geniuses and then wonder what happened.
This argument is so old. Raising the minimum bar raises everyone up. You can't point and complain about homeless people living in tents and then do fuck all to change the situation that causes them. It is our duty to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. But that is also a pointless argument because it really is already too late. We're all in this together, whether we like it or not. And only taking care of rich people's needs and leaving everyone else hung out to dry or "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" is exactly what is causing all the bullshit we see happening today and in the near future.
I mean this has only been studied and proven in countries all over the world. College courses about this exact thinking etc etc. but yeah, I'm niave. Problems just go away if you complain about them hard enough. Foh. Maybe you can pray to Daddy Trump to lower these fucking gas prices and everything else that has fucking doubled in cost to the benefit of absolutely nobody. You fucking boomers/genx fried your brains eating lead paint in the 70s so now we all have to suffer the consequences
I run a custom built trailer, we have the only matched pair in the country, we're the only distributor for 2 of our product lines in our 4 state region, Our biggest customers are racers and our second biggest is food production plants. We also are one of the largest propane suppliers in our region. Im also the senior driver, Lead driver and driver trainer. I will be LONG dead before I ever worry about getting replaced by a robot truck
It will start with the Megas. The problem is all those drivers will have to go somewhere and they'll start driving down the pay in other areas. Special hauling like what you do will definitely be safe for a long time. Even moreso because none of those drivers will have the right experience.
Megas won't make the investment till it becomes proven tech. It's still cheaper to run a fleet of cheap Freightliners and pay foreigners than it is to invest in a whole new very expensive fleet of unproven tech.
You're describing the mom and pops. Megas are ALWAYS the first to implement unproven tech. ELDs were unproven until Werner started using them, all these damn safety sensors were unproven until Prime and Swift started using them. Even beyond that it's absolutely a no lose situation. Without a driver, companies lose almost all liability in accidents. Not to mention massive profit increases. Megas have been chomping at the bit for driverless trucks. It's exactly why there's so much investment in it. Even if the "trucks" are ass, they'd still be under warranty. The whole reason they even put out these videos is because they are ready to build the factories and need investors, and who is investing in this??? Swift, Werner, prime, jb hunt, etc. they also have the most to gain from tech like this. I'm just a stranger on the Internet so by all means take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt, but it would be extremely naive to just wait and see how it plays out.
I can see your point to a point if your talking existing platforms like Freightliner and paccar are working on. In this specific scenario this is a whole new platform. Maybe I am naive as I have zero experience with megas outside of being on the same roads. While I agree that they are chomping at the bit to get rid of drivers, Retro fitting existing trucks which I assumed theyd do seems way cheaper than buying all new equipment.
This video is just one of many companies trying to be the leader. But one of them will be one way or the other. Whether it is a retrofit Freightliner or this Interstellar "truck" the goal is still the same, eliminate labor costs, increase profit, fuck the world.
Eh idk if it will be completely cooked. The massive infrastructure change necessary to support these vehicles is an insurmountable task. Autonomous tractors can’t charge themselves, or perform pre and post trips, or secure their own loads, or navigate the tiny cramped spaces at a majority of the shippers and warehouses in this country. This particular model works for containers but what about regular trailers?
They would have to somehow automate attaching and disconnecting the air and electrical lines, and automate performing tug tests or add sensors to make sure they are properly attached to the trailers, automate opening and closing the trailer doors and lowering and raising the landing gears, etc. Do they expect people at shippers and warehouses to perform all of these tasks for the trucks?
All of this tech adds a ton of costs and even more failure points and if one sensor or camera goes out the whole thing is a bust. These things are only good for very limited uses, most trucking jobs will be safe for the awhile. I don’t think it’s a doom and gloom scenario for trucking and won’t be for many years.
Most of what you're claiming will be impossible for automated trucks to do such as hooking themselves to chargers or navigating cramped spaces or hooking up air lines, they can already do. The technology already exists for all of that and can easily be adapted to trucking if/when needed.
But you're right, some things like performing pretrips and securing loads won't be easy to automate. So those tasks will still be done by a human. And when I say 'a human' I mean exactly that, one person. One person or a small team will inspect trucks all day long. That will be their job. They won't need a CDL although some other sort of 'inspection cert' might end up being developed and required.
There are already tons of companies with employees whose job it is to open and close trailer doors and crank landing gear all day long. They're called yard jockeys. Perhaps you've heard of them. At many of those companies, the yard jockeys do not have CDL's nor any kind of trucking training beyond the afternoon or two they spent being trained by another company employee.
And you're wrong about the costs going up. Automated trucks won't have a 14 hour clock. They won't need health insurance or a 401k. They won't need time off to go to Vegas with their girlfriend or go hunting with their buddies. That will ultimately make shipping via automated truck cheaper and shipping via manually driven truck more expensive.
The writing is on the wall. Its just a question of how soon it comes about. Some seem to think it'll be 100 years from now but I would put my money on seeing the first commercial applications starting in less than 10 years and wide spread use in less than 25 years.
Trust me I’ve already stressed about this over and over until finally losing the energy to stress about it. Frankly I think your prediction is more hopeful than my own. I’m preparing in my own way.
One day there will be dedicated lanes through major cities, just like express toll lanes, that only these types of vehicles will utilize. Additionally outside and inside of major cities will be transfer hubs, where these vehicles will exclusively route themselves to distribution centers. From distribution centers, either human driven or smaller EVs will locally deliver product. In a world coming around the corner, I can't believe people don't think trucking will eventually change. Give this 15 to 20 yrs, and then it's over.
We live in a country where there are mass stretches of highway under perpetual construction, and have been for literal decades. Not to mention, states like Texas have infamously horrendous electrical grids that they just refuse to spend the money on actually fixing or upgrading properly.
We are not as good at infrastructure as you think we are.
Not to mention, even if a vehicle like this does see any real adoption, its range is too short for much of anything outside of really short hauls. Not to mention, these things have zero protectrion outside of their cameras, and would be extraordinarily easy to rob from. Unless and until that's resolved, these sorts of autonomous vehicles aren't going to see widespread adoption without just massive drops in costs. PE ain't gonna let these things go cheaply.
Self-driving trucks are a pipe dream at this stage, and they'll stay that way for the medium term, in the best of conditions. At worst, they'll be a failed experiment.
Blowouts wouldn’t actually be all that bad. They can be programmed exactly how to react. Plus it’s a rigid setup not a 5th wheel.
Even on the self driving tractor setups a steer blowout can be programmed for. Will be harder to correct for than this, but it won’t have some idiot with 30 seconds of training slamming on the brakes.
Allot of the data that ai picks up on needs someone with experience to know what to do with it.
Nothing about this is good and if you argue anything about this as a good idea I’m going to assume you’re a weird boot licker and feel bad when billionaires lose money.
And you don’t think they will be able to get the data or even simply run 1,000,000 simulations to find what is actually best?
Your argument here is pretty shit. Especially when your entire rebuttal is that I am a bootlicker for pointing out that you are incorrect.
If you want to point out the shortcomings, like I did, at least point out factual ones and don’t lose your mind when someone disagrees with your incorrect assumption.
I really don't know why there's even a push to do this.
Lidar doesn't function well in heavy rain, each and every single shipping facility is different and are constantly changing based off of their own internal demands. With an insanely complex system like that, I could only imagine the downtime that these machines would have when software bugs get in the system. These machines have been proven to make mistakes that no human ever would, because they literally have no common sense. And last but not least these machines are "hackable", creating a massive cyber security risk that puts people's lives in danger and is a threat to national security frankly.
This is all really indicative of wealthy people trying to make war generally on the public, and in snaring techno-utopian idealists into the fold against the best interests of humanity.
One of the the big ones they are currently pushing is:
One of the most significant milestones in the latest release is validation of a nearly 1,000-mile lane between Fort Worth and Phoenix — a route that exceeds traditional Hours of Service (HOS) limitations for human drivers.
The trucking industry is VERY MUCH pushing to get rid of interstate drivers, whether we like it or not.
I saw one at the fuel island in Van Horn at the Pilot. I went in, ate came out it was still fucking sitting there. I was thinking to myself dam even the driverless trucks clogging up the fuel island.
It's just going to start doing the things way more already get shit for doing (blocking traffic, stopping on train tracks, running lights, hitting people, pets, and things) but due to the size it will (maybe) be more swiftly delt with rather then just brushed off as the computer still learning.
if these things ever become a true threat to human truckers you just KNOW theyre gonna get trashed. one of these things has to stop in traffic? another trucker nearby? hes throwing a fuckin molotov cocktail at this thing.
they aint gonna make it, i tell ya.. one way or another. fuck these things and the design sheet they rode in on.
What can they charge you with if, someone did that? Destruction of private property?
Id hire a bunch of guys from the hood that want a rock, and dismantle as many of those things in the middle of the road. 5 minutes, 2 pick up trucks, and 10 guys in safety vests. Expensive piece of equipment just sitting in the middle of the road getting "fixed" by helpful "employees" of the firm.
Theyre crazy to let these 100,000$++ pieces of equipment out without someone to take accountability. Thats like leaving a roll of copper on the side of the road. Its stupid.
They take our jobs? We take their equipment... there wont be anyone to take accountability since no one in the cab. Who's going to call the police? Lol
Who is coming to blows to protect their haul currently? I know if 5 armed men want to hijack my fuel tanker, I’m handing them the keys. Are you dying for your company’s shit? How is this any different?
Are people hijacking driverless taxis left and right?
People are less likely to hijack someone thats actively just trying to make a living.
If there's no one behind the wheel, there's no one making a living there... that's one less job for an american citizen to make a family. Meaning less families. Thats like removing nurses from the hospital and putting robots. Theres no empathy factor.
Driverless taxis dont go to remote places in a truck that can have sketchy people. Theres also tons of electronics which contain gold and silver in each of these "driverless vehicles".
I guess I’m not following why driverless taxis are built with different technology than a driverless truck, or why they by design wouldn’t be called to less desirable neighborhoods. Oh well.
Driverless taxis have less copper and rare materials. Trucks also have many more sensors and cameras that aren't cheap.
Less desirable neighborhoods or not, someone will try to pull one of those trucks off the road, disable it, then take a bunch of high value components. If its a human driving, they know to call police and have a human to talk to.
Taking jobs away from hard working Americans, isnt right. If we're replaced fast like this, we shouldn't lay down and take it so readily. Theyre fixing a problem that doesnt need solving, just to create another problem later... its exactly why waymo isnt everywhere. Nothing is perfected, and wont be for another 20 or so years.
Hold on my Apple Watch will call 911 if I fall. You think these trucks won’t know, based on traffic patterns from other phones around them, that they stopped for literally 30 seconds without need, and a very human operator won’t be seeing what those cameras are seeing, and authorities won’t be immediately dispatched?
Or that the police protect the rich more readily than the poor? Those trucks will basically have a digital motorcade on them at all time. But I’m sure the average mobile chop shop gang will have the technology to bypass all this as soon as they hit the road.
Let’s talk about how they’ll hack the network and remotely drive these trucks to black market warehouses next.
I would personally put a quarter between its glad hands, the tech bros are never gonna figure out how to move it from their desk without having to make a service call 😅
Even just with the eventual typical crash or overheating, the battery fires are so hard to put out. Semis need multi-ton battery packs and they’re still just too dangerous and heavy.
Wait, now hear me out. WHAT IF we put a driver in the front one, just to monitor everything and make important decisions, and we put them on special metal wheels with a lower rolling resistance?
We could even build dedicated roads that no other type of vehicle is allowed on and physically attach them to those roads with a series of rails and tracks! Just think of it!
Yes, in my opinion trucking industry should be reduced to local delivery only, everything else goes on a train. But this is still better than having 5 drives.
I remember that being predicted 20 years ago on one of those shows in Discovery. Along with an motorized 5th wheel that tucked the trailer closer to the rear of the cab to help with aerodynamics
I remember that being predicted 20 years ago on one of those shows in Discovery. Along with an motorized 5th wheel that tucked the trailer closer to the rear of the cab to help with aerodynamics
Can you stop posting this shit? You keep posting AI selfless driving trucks like almost every day now. How the hell do you call mods to kick this guy out of the group?
I mean, yeah. This is the final form. just the trailer, hell they'll make the fucken trailer longer and haul more shit since they aint gotta worry about a cab/driver. This is the endgame. the goal pretty much of the industry. Honestly though i think if you're above 40 this shit aint gonna happen to you. They got a ways to go still.
Port workers wanted 90$ an hour because they voted in shit politicians supported by their unions that made the cost of living to high. When the port has to spend 187k per year per employee then the upfront cost of Autonomous equipment is more of value than risking that same employee in 2 years shutting operations down for a 50$ pay raise.
This video reminds me of when Nikola rolled their "electric" truck down a fucking hill so they could fool investors into thinking they had a running electric class 8 truck. Truth was the driver's door would fall off if they tried to open it
Yeah, the CEO of the company was charged and convicted of fraud for the whole thing. Then to then great surprise of no one was pardoned by Trump, and is now making a new company around AI planes or some dumb shit that's also, in my opinion, and obvious scam.
Won't be able to. Dot pulling it over will do what exactly...? Theres no one to take accountability. It'll be like way more, some guy on the phone will talk with the police, not know what to do, and say "sorry, thats as much as I can do on my end".
Usually the driver gets a ticket. How will they issue a ticket to the company with no one physically able to get the ticket...?
We've got a solid 10 maybe 20 years. Driverless trucks are limited to sections of Texas and California. Within a small area of a few hundred miles. The first driverless truck that causes a crash will bankrupt the company. Im looking forward to see the shitshow aftermath of a crash with a driverless truck and a american. I dont want anyone to die, but a driverless truck without a driver to point fingers at or do a drug n alcohol test... that will be very interesting. Company will probably pay millions just to shut everyone up.
It’s going to be way longer than that. These driverless trucks will serve as a stopgap to fill in for the driver shortages while the infrastructure and legal hurdles get ironed out.
Once they’re ironed out, they’ll start replacing drivers who are aging out or leaving the industry.
Then eventually they may end up replacing drivers. My theory is that they’ll always serve as a stopgap since they can’t do final mile. You’ll see OTR jobs disappear but local jobs become far more common. The OTR guys will transition to local.
You’re talking probably 30-50 years before that happens.
How incredibly optimistic of you. Bezos is salivating over the idea of eliminating drivers and pocketing even more money, and he's willing to dump millions into favorable legislation and billions into the tech.
You know electric trucks could work if they did it the way they do it in China. You pull into a fuel center or charging station a robotic arm comes out, pulls the battery out of it slot and then puts a fully charged battery in total time about 10 minutes. A lot faster than waiting in Pilot or loves to get fuel because some asshole decided to go brush his teeth and leave his goddamn truck ahead of the Trump so the next guy Guy can’t get out until he’s done fucking primping & preening
I mean yeah I just took a big ol steamer and it looked exactly like this AI created video loop of a concept driverless truck that wouldn't survive first contact with any port or rail yard in the USA.
What happens when some asshole creative parks, or a cone or barrel fell over, or some 4-wheeler blocks the roadway for whatever reason? Who is going to get out and tell it to move?
“Chronic driver shortage” they just created throwing all “illegal” being legally on visas and paroles cdl drivers. They now will be claiming those trucks are necessity now, taking you out of the job as well.
Love that they used the same damn clip like 17 times. All just to show something that somehow looks WORSE than the fkn Cyberdumpster Tesla made.
Frankly, it could be doable if you put like.. small nuclear reactors or something that are insanely safely protected in the rig. But make them look good, or don't make them at all man.
Yeah, these are scary. I always thought if they make self driving trucks, I'll eventually buy one, I'll still get paid for the load, I'll get it onto the highway and press a button and take a nap. But this thing will not just eliminate drivers, it will eliminate owner operators. This thing will eliminate everyone except mega corporations. I hope it fails.
So you’d have to have a power unit for every single container you’d want to move and then it just sits idle at a customer location while it’s loaded/unloaded?
Would the customer be expected to plug it in to charge while it’s waiting?
It just doesn’t make sense logistically.
Also let’s be real, they just copied the robots that the port uses.
And how many times have you showed up somewhere and there's no dock, so you have to move an empty. Wtf do you do when it's these things?
Imagine having to call them, be polite to the people on the phone who are taking our jobs, have to give them some id number off the truck and it takes forever, and then they ask you if you wouldn't mind closing the doors too. Fuck.
Oh, itll be a shit show. No one to coordinate with and the batteries have a limited up time... and no infrastructure to plug in..? Yeah, sounds like a nightmare and a very expensive lesson.
Crap like wont implement until everyone in this group is long dead. If it were to happen today or soon, the dead people would be others driving on the road. I thought i saw a post the other day first autonomous truck did a haul though. I do not understand why would need these trucks. So we are eliminating more jobs of everyday people so a goofy nerf gets to keep his making this garbage? Maybe thats who is kidnapping all the scientists? Blue collar saying eff this crap....
Oh its gonna happen, maybe not soon, but it will.. we all can bitch and complain about it, but they will first take over the ports and rail yards.. then terminal to terminal.. then eventually OTR.. companies are already doing it and once these things can be mass produced, then its the beginning of the end.. local and specialized trucks and freight should be ok till there is a solution for that.. only plus to this is there should be less pee bottles on the side of the road from us slobs...
China is already running a similar setup on a small scale. Low speed delivery trucks that run warehouse to warehouse or to stores in densely populated areas.
OK, it brings a can from the port/train to the terminal to get unloaded.
What then?
My home terminal we bring a lot of cans from the rail to the yard and either deliver them directly to a customer and drop, or the dock unloads it at the terminal and the empty can sits in an auxiliary yard for days to weeks.
So instead of a yard full of cans on chassis, we'll have a yard full of cans on bots?
Moving containers and a 200 mile range? This is just an automated container carrier to get stuff quickly out of Los Angeles and Long Beach container ports.
Nothing wrong with that, anything that can prevent the endless queuing will help with efficiency. And now you can move the distribution centers 100 miles inland where the drivers will pick up the freight to bring to the destination.
If only they would build a rail system to accomplish that goal, no need for individual containers to move to hubs like this. It doesn’t scale well, it’s just dumb. My 2 cents.
What happens when this thing is going down the highway and there's someone stuck on the shoulder? Can it detect and properly respond to that, because I know for a fact in my state it is law you slow down and get over when possible.
Too many variables for something like this to actually threaten the industry, go put it on rails and fight with UP you might have a chance.
If I had a nickel for every tech-bro who made promises about what his AI project could do, that said AI could in fact, not do, I'd have a lot of nickels.
"Driverless" passenger vehicles have already been in real world testing for a while, and it's not gone great. I'm pretty sure the only reason nobody's been killed by a Waymo yet is because they spend most of their time stuck in traffic jams they created.
I'd like to see these operate well enough out here in Washington or Oregon as well as the drivers out here year round. Sunshine or rain or snow or sleet up the passes n chaining up and when and if they crash there better be someone to hold accountable. I don't want to see people throwing their hands up in the air and waving em like they don't care if these things cause a wreck.
EmbarrassedTime9947@reddit
Backed by (((eclipse ventures))) owned by lior susan. Another jewndoggle moonshot that'll mysteriously get $100M in govt funding, then fold the next day. Expect lior to be sipping mai tais on a tel Aviv beach this time next year.
Sea-Count-5298@reddit
THERE IS NO DRIVER SHORTAGE 😕 It's a driver pay that's short. That said I see more Waymo than taxies today and it's only a matter of time. Stupidest thing is a waymo hit a child in a school zone. The engineer working for waymo said it would have been worse. Had it been a human driver they wouldn't have stopped as fast. I'm a professional driver. I don't drive in school zones when kids are letting out and if I do I watch out for kids even ones running on sidewalks. Would I have hit the kid? I don't think so. As a professional I would have known better and not been there. Can't wait till a semi follows Google maps to the delivery zone, just think all of the tree trimming the company would be providing. LOL don't let your kids become truck drivers.
0263111771@reddit
I am working on getting my CDL now and wanted to leave the IT industry. You have no idea how upsetting it is to see this crap! Knowing another industry is about to go away. AI/Automation is not progress, it is working class extinction.
The government is not going to protect the working class, no matter how bad things become for us. This is our future.
Mozzatav@reddit
People in Silicon Valley really do just be sitting around drinking lattes and giggling to themselves thinking of hypothetical means to take away jobs from people before being replaced themselves.
That said, this particular concept EV is stupid
Ayasdad@reddit
It's stupid to us but it's fucking genius to investors and CEOs and safety regulators. Like it or not trucking is cooked sooner or later. The best thing truckers can do is learn a different trade. Older truckers don't have much to worry about but younger drivers will find themselves competing for a shrinking pool of jobs until the pay drops to minimum wage and eventually those will disappear as well when used trucks like this start hitting the market. This has already started and it will not wait until we're ready to lose our jobs. Our world is about to become almost entirely automated. And while the rich enjoy their 8 month luxury vacations and lives of leisure, those of us who fail to adapt to the new world will live in absolute slavery and poverty. We will all be forced into service jobs making just enough to stay aliveband dependant on their "generosity"
Snookfilet@reddit
I just can’t be that doom and gloom about it. Automation and AI are going to happen, but I think society will have to come up with a way to meet the needs (and most wants) of the people. Something like the “universal high income” some people have imagined.
0263111771@reddit
Billionaires do not think note care about how the American people will survive 10 or 20 years from now. They see the ability to literally get rid of employees and raking in Billions more right now. AI and Automation exist for one reason! That reason is not to make regular people's jobs or lives easier, the reason is not to create more jobs. The reason the technology exists is to do as much of the work possible so 100% of the profit goes to the shareholders and owner. The American working class is absolutely FKED! If anyone thinks differently then they must be living a fever dream.
Ayasdad@reddit
People piss and moan about feeding the hungry and housing the homeless. Any UBI we start to receive will be less than the bare minimum. And they'll piss and moan about that too
Snookfilet@reddit
I think America does a pretty good job with feeding the hungry between food banks, charities, and government programs. There isn’t much real hunger in the US. People “piss and moan” about abuse of the system and they probably should, especially when they are working to pay for it. If the majority of people can’t work I think people will react differently.
Also, the homelessness problem in the US is more of a mental health and drug abuse problem than anything else. It’s mostly a problem because we tolerate it. Which isn’t compassion. It should be an inpatient issue but we shut down our mental health capacities in the 80s and 90s like geniuses and then wonder what happened.
Ayasdad@reddit
This argument is so old. Raising the minimum bar raises everyone up. You can't point and complain about homeless people living in tents and then do fuck all to change the situation that causes them. It is our duty to take care of those that can't take care of themselves. But that is also a pointless argument because it really is already too late. We're all in this together, whether we like it or not. And only taking care of rich people's needs and leaving everyone else hung out to dry or "pull themselves up by the bootstraps" is exactly what is causing all the bullshit we see happening today and in the near future.
Snookfilet@reddit
Yeah and I think you’re naive about human nature.
Ayasdad@reddit
I mean this has only been studied and proven in countries all over the world. College courses about this exact thinking etc etc. but yeah, I'm niave. Problems just go away if you complain about them hard enough. Foh. Maybe you can pray to Daddy Trump to lower these fucking gas prices and everything else that has fucking doubled in cost to the benefit of absolutely nobody. You fucking boomers/genx fried your brains eating lead paint in the 70s so now we all have to suffer the consequences
Snookfilet@reddit
Yeah thanks for confirming.
gooba1@reddit
I run a custom built trailer, we have the only matched pair in the country, we're the only distributor for 2 of our product lines in our 4 state region, Our biggest customers are racers and our second biggest is food production plants. We also are one of the largest propane suppliers in our region. Im also the senior driver, Lead driver and driver trainer. I will be LONG dead before I ever worry about getting replaced by a robot truck
Ayasdad@reddit
It will start with the Megas. The problem is all those drivers will have to go somewhere and they'll start driving down the pay in other areas. Special hauling like what you do will definitely be safe for a long time. Even moreso because none of those drivers will have the right experience.
gooba1@reddit
Megas won't make the investment till it becomes proven tech. It's still cheaper to run a fleet of cheap Freightliners and pay foreigners than it is to invest in a whole new very expensive fleet of unproven tech.
Ayasdad@reddit
You're describing the mom and pops. Megas are ALWAYS the first to implement unproven tech. ELDs were unproven until Werner started using them, all these damn safety sensors were unproven until Prime and Swift started using them. Even beyond that it's absolutely a no lose situation. Without a driver, companies lose almost all liability in accidents. Not to mention massive profit increases. Megas have been chomping at the bit for driverless trucks. It's exactly why there's so much investment in it. Even if the "trucks" are ass, they'd still be under warranty. The whole reason they even put out these videos is because they are ready to build the factories and need investors, and who is investing in this??? Swift, Werner, prime, jb hunt, etc. they also have the most to gain from tech like this. I'm just a stranger on the Internet so by all means take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt, but it would be extremely naive to just wait and see how it plays out.
gooba1@reddit
I can see your point to a point if your talking existing platforms like Freightliner and paccar are working on. In this specific scenario this is a whole new platform. Maybe I am naive as I have zero experience with megas outside of being on the same roads. While I agree that they are chomping at the bit to get rid of drivers, Retro fitting existing trucks which I assumed theyd do seems way cheaper than buying all new equipment.
Ayasdad@reddit
This video is just one of many companies trying to be the leader. But one of them will be one way or the other. Whether it is a retrofit Freightliner or this Interstellar "truck" the goal is still the same, eliminate labor costs, increase profit, fuck the world.
Kevo_xx@reddit
Eh idk if it will be completely cooked. The massive infrastructure change necessary to support these vehicles is an insurmountable task. Autonomous tractors can’t charge themselves, or perform pre and post trips, or secure their own loads, or navigate the tiny cramped spaces at a majority of the shippers and warehouses in this country. This particular model works for containers but what about regular trailers?
They would have to somehow automate attaching and disconnecting the air and electrical lines, and automate performing tug tests or add sensors to make sure they are properly attached to the trailers, automate opening and closing the trailer doors and lowering and raising the landing gears, etc. Do they expect people at shippers and warehouses to perform all of these tasks for the trucks?
All of this tech adds a ton of costs and even more failure points and if one sensor or camera goes out the whole thing is a bust. These things are only good for very limited uses, most trucking jobs will be safe for the awhile. I don’t think it’s a doom and gloom scenario for trucking and won’t be for many years.
jgremlin_@reddit
Most of what you're claiming will be impossible for automated trucks to do such as hooking themselves to chargers or navigating cramped spaces or hooking up air lines, they can already do. The technology already exists for all of that and can easily be adapted to trucking if/when needed.
But you're right, some things like performing pretrips and securing loads won't be easy to automate. So those tasks will still be done by a human. And when I say 'a human' I mean exactly that, one person. One person or a small team will inspect trucks all day long. That will be their job. They won't need a CDL although some other sort of 'inspection cert' might end up being developed and required.
There are already tons of companies with employees whose job it is to open and close trailer doors and crank landing gear all day long. They're called yard jockeys. Perhaps you've heard of them. At many of those companies, the yard jockeys do not have CDL's nor any kind of trucking training beyond the afternoon or two they spent being trained by another company employee.
And you're wrong about the costs going up. Automated trucks won't have a 14 hour clock. They won't need health insurance or a 401k. They won't need time off to go to Vegas with their girlfriend or go hunting with their buddies. That will ultimately make shipping via automated truck cheaper and shipping via manually driven truck more expensive.
The writing is on the wall. Its just a question of how soon it comes about. Some seem to think it'll be 100 years from now but I would put my money on seeing the first commercial applications starting in less than 10 years and wide spread use in less than 25 years.
Mozzatav@reddit
Trust me I’ve already stressed about this over and over until finally losing the energy to stress about it. Frankly I think your prediction is more hopeful than my own. I’m preparing in my own way.
SmokeLikeDawson@reddit
This.
One day there will be dedicated lanes through major cities, just like express toll lanes, that only these types of vehicles will utilize. Additionally outside and inside of major cities will be transfer hubs, where these vehicles will exclusively route themselves to distribution centers. From distribution centers, either human driven or smaller EVs will locally deliver product. In a world coming around the corner, I can't believe people don't think trucking will eventually change. Give this 15 to 20 yrs, and then it's over.
TheRegistrant@reddit
Our infrastructure in America doesn’t support this kind of technology right now, our roads and bridges are terrible and our power grid inadequate
Black000betty@reddit
Do you not realize how quickly that has been, and will continue to change? Electrical grid is hard at work getting updated for this need.
Lord_B33zus@reddit
Brother, it’s gonna take them 4+ year just to add some over passes to a section of San Antonio. Don’t hold your breathe on this.
homucifer666@reddit
The interstate in San Antonio has been under construction for expansion longer than I've been alive; and I've been alive a long time.
I'm convinced that it's basically an infinite money glitch for whoever has that build contract.
driver004@reddit
That’s the way I feel about a lot of Texas infrastructure
Snookfilet@reddit
Let’s talk about how fast (and efficiently) California can build high speed rail, lol.
robexib@reddit
We live in a country where there are mass stretches of highway under perpetual construction, and have been for literal decades. Not to mention, states like Texas have infamously horrendous electrical grids that they just refuse to spend the money on actually fixing or upgrading properly.
We are not as good at infrastructure as you think we are.
Not to mention, even if a vehicle like this does see any real adoption, its range is too short for much of anything outside of really short hauls. Not to mention, these things have zero protectrion outside of their cameras, and would be extraordinarily easy to rob from. Unless and until that's resolved, these sorts of autonomous vehicles aren't going to see widespread adoption without just massive drops in costs. PE ain't gonna let these things go cheaply.
Self-driving trucks are a pipe dream at this stage, and they'll stay that way for the medium term, in the best of conditions. At worst, they'll be a failed experiment.
Live-Door3408@reddit
We will be taken over, it’s just a matter of when at this point
Washedhockeyguy@reddit
It’ll never happen. I love how when they animate these things they always make the roads straight, through empty desert land, and no traffic
potatocross@reddit
Top speed 55, range 200 miles. It ain’t gonna make it to the empty desert they show.
ThePeterbilt589@reddit
Damned thing will get scrapped by crackheads before it even leaves the city 💀
DukeBradford2@reddit
I can see a bunch of angry truckers forcing it to the side of the road then taking their 34 in front of it
Unfair_Analysis_3734@reddit
If I see it turn on it’s turn signals to change lanes, I will sit right next to it and speed match it.
ThePeterbilt589@reddit
Awww man, one could dream lol. It'd be pretty funny to see the thing Austin Powers it's way out of that situation.
Gilgamesh2000000@reddit
What happens when it had a blowout? Imagine a steer tire blowout on one of these 😂
potatocross@reddit
Blowouts wouldn’t actually be all that bad. They can be programmed exactly how to react. Plus it’s a rigid setup not a 5th wheel.
Even on the self driving tractor setups a steer blowout can be programmed for. Will be harder to correct for than this, but it won’t have some idiot with 30 seconds of training slamming on the brakes.
Gilgamesh2000000@reddit
Allot of the data that ai picks up on needs someone with experience to know what to do with it.
Nothing about this is good and if you argue anything about this as a good idea I’m going to assume you’re a weird boot licker and feel bad when billionaires lose money.
potatocross@reddit
And you don’t think they will be able to get the data or even simply run 1,000,000 simulations to find what is actually best?
Your argument here is pretty shit. Especially when your entire rebuttal is that I am a bootlicker for pointing out that you are incorrect.
If you want to point out the shortcomings, like I did, at least point out factual ones and don’t lose your mind when someone disagrees with your incorrect assumption.
Gilgamesh2000000@reddit
I’m not arguing. Now go away
wickedcold@reddit
200 miles on a nice sunny 79 degree day on a flat road. Can’t wait to see how it works in winter lol
coppertech@reddit
no but it'll be prefect for ports to intermodal yards. oakland to UP in lathrop is only 67 miles.
OneMulatto@reddit
But how heavy and congested is that? It's like over there in Chicago when you get near the all those intermodal yards off 80, it gets cray cray.
endangeredphysics@reddit
I really don't know why there's even a push to do this.
Lidar doesn't function well in heavy rain, each and every single shipping facility is different and are constantly changing based off of their own internal demands. With an insanely complex system like that, I could only imagine the downtime that these machines would have when software bugs get in the system. These machines have been proven to make mistakes that no human ever would, because they literally have no common sense. And last but not least these machines are "hackable", creating a massive cyber security risk that puts people's lives in danger and is a threat to national security frankly.
This is all really indicative of wealthy people trying to make war generally on the public, and in snaring techno-utopian idealists into the fold against the best interests of humanity.
Infuryous@reddit
It already is happening, Aurora is running routes between Houston/Dallas, and Ft. Worth/El Paso and has been for over a year now. Many WITHOUT a safety observer in the cab... truly driverless. Aurora has received permission to increase their fleet to over 200 trucks and expand their routes to cover El Paso/Phoenix, Ft. Worth/Phoenix, and Dallas/Lareado.
One of the the big ones they are currently pushing is:
The trucking industry is VERY MUCH pushing to get rid of interstate drivers, whether we like it or not.
rockypoint28457@reddit
I saw one at the fuel island in Van Horn at the Pilot. I went in, ate came out it was still fucking sitting there. I was thinking to myself dam even the driverless trucks clogging up the fuel island.
MoashRedemptionArc@reddit
RemindMe! 5 years
RainbowNukes@reddit
It's just going to start doing the things way more already get shit for doing (blocking traffic, stopping on train tracks, running lights, hitting people, pets, and things) but due to the size it will (maybe) be more swiftly delt with rather then just brushed off as the computer still learning.
jduenas88@reddit
Run 1 3:45 load and charge it for 8 hours 😂😂😂
planetbuster@reddit
you guys are missing something.
if these things ever become a true threat to human truckers you just KNOW theyre gonna get trashed. one of these things has to stop in traffic? another trucker nearby? hes throwing a fuckin molotov cocktail at this thing.
they aint gonna make it, i tell ya.. one way or another. fuck these things and the design sheet they rode in on.
coperifaldia@reddit
What can they charge you with if, someone did that? Destruction of private property?
Id hire a bunch of guys from the hood that want a rock, and dismantle as many of those things in the middle of the road. 5 minutes, 2 pick up trucks, and 10 guys in safety vests. Expensive piece of equipment just sitting in the middle of the road getting "fixed" by helpful "employees" of the firm.
Theyre crazy to let these 100,000$++ pieces of equipment out without someone to take accountability. Thats like leaving a roll of copper on the side of the road. Its stupid.
They take our jobs? We take their equipment... there wont be anyone to take accountability since no one in the cab. Who's going to call the police? Lol
FindMateStraightFux@reddit
Who is coming to blows to protect their haul currently? I know if 5 armed men want to hijack my fuel tanker, I’m handing them the keys. Are you dying for your company’s shit? How is this any different?
Are people hijacking driverless taxis left and right?
coperifaldia@reddit
People are less likely to hijack someone thats actively just trying to make a living.
If there's no one behind the wheel, there's no one making a living there... that's one less job for an american citizen to make a family. Meaning less families. Thats like removing nurses from the hospital and putting robots. Theres no empathy factor.
Driverless taxis dont go to remote places in a truck that can have sketchy people. Theres also tons of electronics which contain gold and silver in each of these "driverless vehicles".
FindMateStraightFux@reddit
I guess I’m not following why driverless taxis are built with different technology than a driverless truck, or why they by design wouldn’t be called to less desirable neighborhoods. Oh well.
coperifaldia@reddit
Driverless taxis have less copper and rare materials. Trucks also have many more sensors and cameras that aren't cheap.
Less desirable neighborhoods or not, someone will try to pull one of those trucks off the road, disable it, then take a bunch of high value components. If its a human driving, they know to call police and have a human to talk to.
Taking jobs away from hard working Americans, isnt right. If we're replaced fast like this, we shouldn't lay down and take it so readily. Theyre fixing a problem that doesnt need solving, just to create another problem later... its exactly why waymo isnt everywhere. Nothing is perfected, and wont be for another 20 or so years.
FindMateStraightFux@reddit
Hold on my Apple Watch will call 911 if I fall. You think these trucks won’t know, based on traffic patterns from other phones around them, that they stopped for literally 30 seconds without need, and a very human operator won’t be seeing what those cameras are seeing, and authorities won’t be immediately dispatched?
Or that the police protect the rich more readily than the poor? Those trucks will basically have a digital motorcade on them at all time. But I’m sure the average mobile chop shop gang will have the technology to bypass all this as soon as they hit the road.
Let’s talk about how they’ll hack the network and remotely drive these trucks to black market warehouses next.
planetbuster@reddit
thats besides the point, not all of us are company drivers.
and even company drivers are threatened by this. you are thinking about the cargo when no one said anything about the cargo itself, at all.
its about jobs, my guy
RE2017@reddit
Ai taxis don't have $100,000 of the new Jordan's or boxed wine in back. See what the trains have to deal with getting stolen from in transit
EastSideFlo@reddit
I would personally put a quarter between its glad hands, the tech bros are never gonna figure out how to move it from their desk without having to make a service call 😅
MantisShrimpUpTop@reddit
Even just with the eventual typical crash or overheating, the battery fires are so hard to put out. Semis need multi-ton battery packs and they’re still just too dangerous and heavy.
fulmetalartimis@reddit
When I saw these in the movie, Logan, I knew it was not far off before we got autonomous trucks /vehicles like this
its_not_merm-aids@reddit
The dumbest thing about this nonsense is the goal is to put like 5 of those things ass to snout. That's a fucking train. We have those.
EnolaNek@reddit
Wait, now hear me out. WHAT IF we put a driver in the front one, just to monitor everything and make important decisions, and we put them on special metal wheels with a lower rolling resistance?
daemonescanem@reddit
We need rest, a computer doesnt.
its_not_merm-aids@reddit
Can we make that driver's life absolute hell?
EnolaNek@reddit
Of course!
Gilgamesh2000000@reddit
Driver needs a suppository camera to make sure he’s colon is clean while driving.
DustyOlBones@reddit
Do they get a pension?
MadeMeStopLurking@reddit
Yes! But here's the cool part! It doesnt actually pay out.
Mindes13@reddit
Ran by the yellow people than ran that pension
gnibblet@reddit
Sure...but no Social Security.
its_not_merm-aids@reddit
Let me introduce you to my friends in private equity!
EatLard@reddit
We could do that, but just to keep it all smooth, they need their own roads built specifically to work with those wheels, independent of other roads.
MoashRedemptionArc@reddit
We could even build dedicated roads that no other type of vehicle is allowed on and physically attach them to those roads with a series of rails and tracks! Just think of it!
VeganFoxtrot@reddit
Yes and let's make a high speed one! Oh wait, we can't have nice things I forgot.
NFLTG_71@reddit
Yes, and we could show everybody what 285 around Atlanta was originally supposed to be for
ratchetman0869@reddit
Insurance companies just left the chat
ciko2283@reddit
What's the difference between that and 5 trucks moving from city A to city B on the same day?
its_not_merm-aids@reddit
If the optimal form is a train, stop trying to imitate it and build the tracks.
ciko2283@reddit
Yes, in my opinion trucking industry should be reduced to local delivery only, everything else goes on a train. But this is still better than having 5 drives.
Round_Rooms@reddit
Australia already has them. Semi trains I mean
kwtransporter66@reddit
With a 200 mile range.
tonythebutcher13@reddit
That's 200 miles empty to, fill it to max weight and your probably at half that, plus if TOP speed is 55 that means 40 or 45 with a load.
So 2 1/2 hours to get 100 miles then charge for who knows how long. Won't have to worry about those HOS regulations though!
fidgeting_macro@reddit
It would be fine if the top speed was 45 MPH. Speed doesn't matter as much as consistent travel time.
Ranger7381@reddit
I remember that being predicted 20 years ago on one of those shows in Discovery. Along with an motorized 5th wheel that tucked the trailer closer to the rear of the cab to help with aerodynamics
Ranger7381@reddit
I remember that being predicted 20 years ago on one of those shows in Discovery. Along with an motorized 5th wheel that tucked the trailer closer to the rear of the cab to help with aerodynamics
biotox1n@reddit
had them in China for years
CarPatient@reddit
Leave the 53s for the trains eh?
RJonesLore@reddit
200 miles? Talk about soft hands.
PlasmaStones@reddit
Once they make a lane just for these it could be ball game
13_Silver_Dollars@reddit
Theres not a driver shortage, just a shortage of drivers who will tolerate shitty pay in an industry that promised them a fruitful career
Alive_to_Thrive5@reddit
Can you stop posting this shit? You keep posting AI selfless driving trucks like almost every day now. How the hell do you call mods to kick this guy out of the group?
fmccloud@reddit
Reminds me of the autonomous trucks from the Logan movie.
Beautiful-Slice166@reddit
We got the 2×4 lego brick rolling out
xeikai@reddit
I mean, yeah. This is the final form. just the trailer, hell they'll make the fucken trailer longer and haul more shit since they aint gotta worry about a cab/driver. This is the endgame. the goal pretty much of the industry. Honestly though i think if you're above 40 this shit aint gonna happen to you. They got a ways to go still.
GoMake_me_a_sandwich@reddit
Good luck with that
ImmortanOwl@reddit
Real Steel (movie) had these like a decade ago. This isn't a new idea, I'm sure it goes earlier than that but that's the first I saw it.
Cfwydirk@reddit
Always love the lie about “chronic driver shortage”
TomClem@reddit
100% there was no shortage when fleets wanted to grow in 2020-2023!
Cfwydirk@reddit
There has NEVER been a driver shortage.
There is a shortage of drivers willing to work for low pay, poor benefits, abysmal working conditions, job security, and, disrespect.
Low pay. Teamsters national master freight wages in 2002, $19.86hr. With inflation, the pay should be $37hr today. $1500 for 40 hours.
jhermaco15@reddit
Everyday we get closer and closer to reinventing the fucking train...
scorpiohorsegirl@reddit
So how you gonna drive this thing into the shop when it 100% breaks down?
mrockracing@reddit
They want to get ridof truck drivers so badly because we're one of the last missing links to their insane plan... according to themselves.
The problem is that none of this is feasible. And it won't be for quite some time.
tributarybattles@reddit
Saw this in an XMEN movie.
deadpat03@reddit
Port workers wanted 90$ an hour because they voted in shit politicians supported by their unions that made the cost of living to high. When the port has to spend 187k per year per employee then the upfront cost of Autonomous equipment is more of value than risking that same employee in 2 years shutting operations down for a 50$ pay raise.
Rubes2525@reddit
Lol, another shit startup with nothing but 3D animations trying to siphon money.
whodat209@reddit
But who’s gonna block the fuel islands and walk around and throw piss bottles out in the parking lot
TyrannicalKitty@reddit
200 range?
I swear these dipshits come up with everything except trains.
Cardinal_350@reddit
This video reminds me of when Nikola rolled their "electric" truck down a fucking hill so they could fool investors into thinking they had a running electric class 8 truck. Truth was the driver's door would fall off if they tried to open it
homucifer666@reddit
LoL, for real? That's hilarious.
Cardinal_350@reddit
Yea it's 100% real
Shoo-Man-Fu@reddit
Yeah, the CEO of the company was charged and convicted of fraud for the whole thing. Then to then great surprise of no one was pardoned by Trump, and is now making a new company around AI planes or some dumb shit that's also, in my opinion, and obvious scam.
ArikwithanA913@reddit
May work for containers and a ship yard. but those arent docking in tight low lit areas, and checking into customers.
BouncingSphinx@reddit
Absurdly low for any real use, maybe impressive depending on how it's outfitted on the electrical side. How quickly would it even charge?
But why though
Isn't that what already happens with most container haulers?
Glum-Leadership4823@reddit
It’ll be fun watching the truck try to find someone to readjust the container.
coperifaldia@reddit
Won't be able to. Dot pulling it over will do what exactly...? Theres no one to take accountability. It'll be like way more, some guy on the phone will talk with the police, not know what to do, and say "sorry, thats as much as I can do on my end".
Usually the driver gets a ticket. How will they issue a ticket to the company with no one physically able to get the ticket...?
Rcouch00@reddit
That’s the silent part, automate everything and Dot goes away too. Pack it up boys, jobs done.
coperifaldia@reddit
We've got a solid 10 maybe 20 years. Driverless trucks are limited to sections of Texas and California. Within a small area of a few hundred miles. The first driverless truck that causes a crash will bankrupt the company. Im looking forward to see the shitshow aftermath of a crash with a driverless truck and a american. I dont want anyone to die, but a driverless truck without a driver to point fingers at or do a drug n alcohol test... that will be very interesting. Company will probably pay millions just to shut everyone up.
qaf0v4vc0lj6@reddit
It’s going to be way longer than that. These driverless trucks will serve as a stopgap to fill in for the driver shortages while the infrastructure and legal hurdles get ironed out.
Once they’re ironed out, they’ll start replacing drivers who are aging out or leaving the industry.
Then eventually they may end up replacing drivers. My theory is that they’ll always serve as a stopgap since they can’t do final mile. You’ll see OTR jobs disappear but local jobs become far more common. The OTR guys will transition to local.
You’re talking probably 30-50 years before that happens.
Yeshavesome420@reddit
How incredibly optimistic of you. Bezos is salivating over the idea of eliminating drivers and pocketing even more money, and he's willing to dump millions into favorable legislation and billions into the tech.
meizhong@reddit
Don't worry, when the cranes become automated, the former crane drivers can check it and lock the pins until they build a robot for that.
Fuck the future.
Yeshavesome420@reddit
Time to lean into unions.
Ok_Assistant_6856@reddit
By removing the driver (cabin).... Freed up serious "payload capacity"
Mhmm..
hoarder59@reddit
You haven't seen payload capacity until you see the lineup at the roller dog machine at Pilot.
NFLTG_71@reddit
You know electric trucks could work if they did it the way they do it in China. You pull into a fuel center or charging station a robotic arm comes out, pulls the battery out of it slot and then puts a fully charged battery in total time about 10 minutes. A lot faster than waiting in Pilot or loves to get fuel because some asshole decided to go brush his teeth and leave his goddamn truck ahead of the Trump so the next guy Guy can’t get out until he’s done fucking primping & preening
NFLTG_71@reddit
Yeah, it looks like they took it from the third Wolverine film
fidgeting_macro@reddit
Yes, I saw this in a movie.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3315342/
Shoo-Man-Fu@reddit
I mean yeah I just took a big ol steamer and it looked exactly like this AI created video loop of a concept driverless truck that wouldn't survive first contact with any port or rail yard in the USA.
Microshlongg@reddit
That’s what aurora will be once they come full fledge. They’ll gut the sleeper area and passenger seat = less weight more money
xoutlawtrucker@reddit
What happens when some asshole creative parks, or a cone or barrel fell over, or some 4-wheeler blocks the roadway for whatever reason? Who is going to get out and tell it to move?
LordRaven74@reddit
I have driven around plenty of Waymo vehicles. I have one one good thing to say about them: they use turn signals for every turn and lane change.
Ephemeral_Ghost@reddit
Inevitable
Rare_Indication_3811@reddit
“Chronic driver shortage” they just created throwing all “illegal” being legally on visas and paroles cdl drivers. They now will be claiming those trucks are necessity now, taking you out of the job as well.
Hamhockthegizzard@reddit
I dunno if I *did* see it, all the footage looks like AI lmao
Jaycool10@reddit
As presented, it looks amazing!
Patient_Clothes3673@reddit
Did you hear that we're in a trucker shortage?
cheese_just-cheese@reddit
Yes, very smart and cool AI concept video! /s
Love that they used the same damn clip like 17 times. All just to show something that somehow looks WORSE than the fkn Cyberdumpster Tesla made.
Frankly, it could be doable if you put like.. small nuclear reactors or something that are insanely safely protected in the rig. But make them look good, or don't make them at all man.
homucifer666@reddit
"Free nuclear reactor to good home."
The theft risk would skyrocket.
TrontRaznik@reddit
Denial is a hell of a drug.
meizhong@reddit
Yeah, these are scary. I always thought if they make self driving trucks, I'll eventually buy one, I'll still get paid for the load, I'll get it onto the highway and press a button and take a nap. But this thing will not just eliminate drivers, it will eliminate owner operators. This thing will eliminate everyone except mega corporations. I hope it fails.
Nyx_Blackheart@reddit
They should have their own road so they don't mix with regular drivers. Then you can connect a bunch together and send them at once. Like a train.
We should use trains
polarjunkie@reddit
Warehouses can't keep enough staff to load and unload, are they going to hire more people to stand around and open and close doors?
Woahgold@reddit
So you’d have to have a power unit for every single container you’d want to move and then it just sits idle at a customer location while it’s loaded/unloaded?
Would the customer be expected to plug it in to charge while it’s waiting?
It just doesn’t make sense logistically.
Also let’s be real, they just copied the robots that the port uses.
meizhong@reddit
And how many times have you showed up somewhere and there's no dock, so you have to move an empty. Wtf do you do when it's these things?
Imagine having to call them, be polite to the people on the phone who are taking our jobs, have to give them some id number off the truck and it takes forever, and then they ask you if you wouldn't mind closing the doors too. Fuck.
coperifaldia@reddit
Oh, itll be a shit show. No one to coordinate with and the batteries have a limited up time... and no infrastructure to plug in..? Yeah, sounds like a nightmare and a very expensive lesson.
Mad_Ronin_Grrrr@reddit
Set up UBI and I'm all for this robot shit. I'm tired of dodging asshole drivers all day long anyway.
meizhong@reddit
UBI in this super capitalist country? Nah, look forward to your future of watching ads for money 12 hours a day.
Work as hard as you can while you still can. Then buy a sailboat and leave.
Kevo_xx@reddit
I love how for all the technology they pack in these things, all it takes is putting a single cone in their path to make them useless.
kwtransporter66@reddit
Lol, we don't have the infrastructure to support this. So let's put the panic cart before the horse.
Asstronomer6969@reddit
Crap like wont implement until everyone in this group is long dead. If it were to happen today or soon, the dead people would be others driving on the road. I thought i saw a post the other day first autonomous truck did a haul though. I do not understand why would need these trucks. So we are eliminating more jobs of everyday people so a goofy nerf gets to keep his making this garbage? Maybe thats who is kidnapping all the scientists? Blue collar saying eff this crap....
FlatbedtruckingCA@reddit
Oh its gonna happen, maybe not soon, but it will.. we all can bitch and complain about it, but they will first take over the ports and rail yards.. then terminal to terminal.. then eventually OTR.. companies are already doing it and once these things can be mass produced, then its the beginning of the end.. local and specialized trucks and freight should be ok till there is a solution for that.. only plus to this is there should be less pee bottles on the side of the road from us slobs...
olenamerikkalainen@reddit
China is already running a similar setup on a small scale. Low speed delivery trucks that run warehouse to warehouse or to stores in densely populated areas.
Long-Station7566@reddit
Driver shortage mentioned!
Rambler330@reddit
Paint a double yellow line around it and trap it.
CrispyLuggage@reddit
OK, it brings a can from the port/train to the terminal to get unloaded.
What then?
My home terminal we bring a lot of cans from the rail to the yard and either deliver them directly to a customer and drop, or the dock unloads it at the terminal and the empty can sits in an auxiliary yard for days to weeks.
So instead of a yard full of cans on chassis, we'll have a yard full of cans on bots?
PartySausage69@reddit
Remindme 4 years
errie_tholluxe@reddit
So basically someone saw Logan and thought gee just like that!!
tylerh369@reddit
Ive seen that movie
tylerh369@reddit
Ive seen that movie
GrimKiba-@reddit
Give it 200 years. It'll definitely happen but not soon.
thesimp@reddit
Moving containers and a 200 mile range? This is just an automated container carrier to get stuff quickly out of Los Angeles and Long Beach container ports.
Nothing wrong with that, anything that can prevent the endless queuing will help with efficiency. And now you can move the distribution centers 100 miles inland where the drivers will pick up the freight to bring to the destination.
Rcouch00@reddit
If only they would build a rail system to accomplish that goal, no need for individual containers to move to hubs like this. It doesn’t scale well, it’s just dumb. My 2 cents.
Commercial-Prompt-84@reddit
They aren’t going to have any more money to steal from the poors if they keep trying to do shit like this that’ll take all our jobs
Responsible_Egg_3260@reddit
I agree. I'm not sure why more people don't realise this.
Rcouch00@reddit
They fully do, that’s not a them problem. They will retire early regardless.
Beanz_detected@reddit
Hhhhhhh here we go again.
Hello, pedestrian
(THUD)
Oh, there's no longer an obstacle!
(VROOOM)
What happens when this thing is going down the highway and there's someone stuck on the shoulder? Can it detect and properly respond to that, because I know for a fact in my state it is law you slow down and get over when possible.
Too many variables for something like this to actually threaten the industry, go put it on rails and fight with UP you might have a chance.
chuckinalicious543@reddit
Ai this, ai that, GIVE ME A FUCKING STEERING WHEEL CONTROLLER AND SOME PEDALS AND I'LL RC THAT SHIT ALL DAY
Megalodon7770@reddit
Ai slop means nothing
edsavage404@reddit
Its going to use all of those miles just waiting at the port😂
CollegeStudentTrades@reddit
Looks like some shit volvo would do
itsaheem@reddit
pipe dream. there's no fuckin way this will ever float
Quynn_Stormcloud@reddit
Of course it won’t! She’s not seaworthy!
RobinSophie@reddit
This is some Mad Max dystopia bullshit.
I almost thought it was a trailer for a sequel to iRobot.
TomB205@reddit
If I had a nickel for every tech-bro who made promises about what his AI project could do, that said AI could in fact, not do, I'd have a lot of nickels.
"Driverless" passenger vehicles have already been in real world testing for a while, and it's not gone great. I'm pretty sure the only reason nobody's been killed by a Waymo yet is because they spend most of their time stuck in traffic jams they created.
Uneventfulrice@reddit
I'd like to see these operate well enough out here in Washington or Oregon as well as the drivers out here year round. Sunshine or rain or snow or sleet up the passes n chaining up and when and if they crash there better be someone to hold accountable. I don't want to see people throwing their hands up in the air and waving em like they don't care if these things cause a wreck.
Patalos@reddit
An entrepreneur's dream is an engineer's nightmare
ForgottonTNT@reddit
Ehh I’m not worried about , bc I’ll just get another trade under my belt