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EatBaconDaily@reddit

The casino side question was kino, and by kino i mean utter trash

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I remember asking aloud in the theater, "wait if rose and finn can just go get help why don't they just all do that" also i had to look up finn's name i googled "black guy from the force awakens" because they completely threw his character away because the chinese market doesn't like black people and I forgot about him. they did the actor fuckin dirty

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

Which is a shame, because I thought both Finn's actor and the idea of a renegade Storm Trooper were actually pretty great. They could have done so much with that character. Instead, they threw him away and let his last bit of screentime be a half hearted and then abandoned and retconned love triangle.

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TwumpyWumpy@reddit

Right out of the gate Finn's character was bad. >be raised since childhood to kill with other people raised since childhood to kill. >on first mission, see my friend get shot by a blue laser. Friend wipes blood on my helmet. Friend was also a child soldier, like me. >Somehow know that shooting civilians is bad. >see guy with gun that shoots blue lasers get captured. >decide to help guy that shot my friend while cheering and massacring an entire hangar of my fellow child soldiers with a turret in the back of a TIE fighter. >??? Finn's character was crap from the start.

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Longjumping_Belt_405@reddit

A stormtrooper rebellion would’ve been pretty cool

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rayschoon@reddit

I’m still mad that they didn’t make him force sensitive

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7fingersDeep@reddit

What’s amazing is you can literally edit out the ENTIRE Canto Bight subplot and the movie doesn’t change a single bit. I can’t get over how fucking bad the sequels were. They shit all over the other films. Essentially just killed off my interest in Star Wars. Except for Andor - that show is good as fuck. And Rogue One was good. Everything else is just trash.

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CptNeon@reddit

Rogue One truly was an anomaly in a sea of ass movies. My personal favorite

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lemonylol@reddit

I just rewatched it earlier today, pretty much the entirety of Po's storyline can be cut as well, all he does is tell people to do things they are already doing.

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secondcondary@reddit

That's around the time I fell asleep watching it on a plane and woke up after the movie was over

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izza123@reddit

Keno\*

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zqmbgn@reddit

kenobeeeeeee!

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misterpeers@reddit

Hello there.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

It really brought me back to the prequels

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Bancatone@reddit

“Fuck our mission and fuck the greater good, the space horsies need to be rescued, also I’m going to stop you from sacrificing yourself and monologue at you about saving the ones we love while our entire faction gets fucking obliterated by the laser you were trying to stop” What the fuck was Rose smoking

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TwumpyWumpy@reddit

TFA in its own made the OT pointless.

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Yeseylon@reddit

\> fucked over any goodwill TFA made for a new story What fucking goodwill? People generally went "meh" at that one, not like JJ was some savior. Frankly, of the three, TLJ is the most interesting, at least it tried to shift things in a new direction. Instead we're gonna get decades of Skywalkers and Palpatines.

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MoltenMirrors@reddit

TFA was slop, but everyone in the fandom was intrigued by the new characters and grateful the acting and direction wasn't as god awful as TPM. There was a cautious sense of hope. I agree that TLJ was as least interesting, but that's an indictment of how bad TFA and TRoS were and the dead end the sequels represent. TLJ was full of stray plot points that were never resolved, awkward pacing, and unrealized potential. It's my favorite of the sequel trilogy but it's still not a good movie.

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

While I'm not one of them, Force Awakens was pretty deeply enjoyed by much if not most of the fanbase.

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GeoffreyGeoffson@reddit

This is not how I remember it at all. I thought everyone was very bored with those safe it was.

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Gobbler_of_Cock@reddit

then you remember it wrong. The praise became much more tepid over time, but it received an A on Cinemascore and became 3rd highest grossing film ever. Obviously it was well received. I think most ppl liked it cuz it started off a bunch of character arcs that felt compelling at first, and might have actually been dope if the writers had planned them out instead of just starting a story without any plan on how to finish it

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AmaterasuWolf21@reddit

Everyone was saying Star Wars was back

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LazarusPizza@reddit

Episode 7 received a lot of good reviews and people were excited, if apprehensive, about a new Starwars trilogy. Then the shitshow from 8 happened, and despair reigned.

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DowntownGrocery6945@reddit

Yeah it didn't blow anyone's socks off, but it looked promising as a start. Rey was cool, Finn still had a lot of interesting potential (force sensitive Stormtrooper wouldv been sick), Poe was cool, the silver lady was still aura farming, Snoke was still mysetrious, basically the characters hadn't been completely shat on yet. Then 8 happened and none of the potential that any of the characters had actually came to anything.

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LazarusPizza@reddit

Phasma. Her name was Phasma. They cast Gwendoline Christy (Brienne of Tarth in GoT) to play her, and killed her off in a 2 frame scene that could have been off camera.

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fatkidking@reddit

One of The Last Jedi's biggest sins is cutting her best scene.

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carbonatedfuck@reddit

Ikr? I remember being so bummed about that. I remember the hype around Phasma after the first movie was crazy, people were super excited to see what would warrant a stormtrooper to have such cool armor was. Then they... Idk, decided to forget her? Have her do nothing cool at all, and die in a forgettable boring way? Didn't she have some super unnecessary 1v1 with Finn or something?

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LazarusPizza@reddit

I legit don't remember her having any scenes beyond showing up, and then dying in the next movie. The only cool standoff Finn had was with the trooper carrying anti-jedi equipment that yelled "TRAITOR!". The internet nicknamed him TR-8R, or something like that.

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NPRdude@reddit

I think TLJ would have worked in an iconoclast kind of way if Disney hadn’t panicked at the backlash and backtracked all of the new ideas it created. You could have had 7 be the safe retread of Episode 4 that gets the audience thinking they know how the trilogy is going to go, then 8 kicks down the door and says “guess what bitches none of your predictions are coming true”, and then 9 expands on that new direction. But instead we got an Abrams-Johnson-Abrams sandwich that made nobody happy.

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itsyaboihos@reddit

Yeah genuinely the big issue with it is that they didn’t continue the story, you could probably skip it and not really miss anything.

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NPRdude@reddit

I really could not forgive them for completing bulldozing over the “Rey is a nobody” idea that TLJ introduced. It was such a good premise that made the Force feel mystical and mysterious again, and then 9 just chucked that all out the window and went back to hereditary force sensitivity.

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oppositeofopposite@reddit

I've been sayin that too, 9 made 8 almost entirely pointless in the trilogy.

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TheCreepWhoCrept@reddit

Imo there was still too much wrong with 8 and how it treated 7’s plot threads for a successful trilogy to ever be completed afterwards. I agree that doubling down was the best option they had and would’ve certainly produced a better EP 9 than we got, but it never would’ve truly worked out. I think the Rian Johnson hate can get a little overblown, but there’s no denying that he didn’t like the cards he had, so he kicked over the game board and left a mess for everyone else to figure out. There’s a reason his trilogy never materialized.

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

So lots of promise and potential? Maybe even a little bit of mystery? From esteemed director JJ Abrams? I wonder where I've seen this before? Oh yeah, in the rise of Skywalker, where it turns out Rey is a Palpatine, but chooses to be a Skywalker or some shit. Finn is just irrelevant. Poe is irrelevant. The silver lady looked cool, but spoiler, was irrelevant. Snoke, fair enough, RJ killed him off, but do you really think that after everyone is either a Skywalker or a Palpatine, JJ really had something mindblowingly good in mind for Snoke? Guaranteed the "big reveal" is that he was some sith or Jedi we already know that was injured and disfigured, and came back evil. Now gee whizz, I wonder where I heard that one before. There is a reason the first movie/season in a JJ Abrams series is considered amazing, and by the end it's a pile of garbage. JJ is really great at setting up a mystery box, but never actually has anything good to put inside.

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RevBladeZ@reddit

Hence why being responsible for only the first part of a trilogy and let others figure out the rest seemed like perfect for him.

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

Honestly, I feel like if RJ, or at least someone else, had gotten part 3 and build up on the last Jedi, the series would have turned out better.

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RevBladeZ@reddit

Would have been funny because it really felt like Rian Johnson finished his movie like "lol have fun figuring out the next one"

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kailethre@reddit

poe and finn had serious bromance potential and it was utterly squandered

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The_Pepperoni_Kid@reddit

Who the fuck came up with the name "Snoke?" It's gotta be one of the worst

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DowntownGrocery6945@reddit

I mean tbh the name Snoke has to be one of the lesser sins of the sequel trilogy

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IudexJudy@reddit

It set up a lot of interesting plot threads with Finn and Rey, and promptly abandon it. I was genuinely excited to see a random ass clone become a Jedi, it would be so cool to have someone not even kind of related to the main cast be a force user But nope, everything HAS to retread old plots and character assassinate for whatever reason

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Psylux7@reddit

If you ever want to see a random ass clone become a jedi, have a look at the old handheld game, star wars battlefront elite squadron. It somehow did a better job with that idea than Disney.

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SgtRinzler@reddit

Utterly throwing away Poe and Finn's characters was so disappointing

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Doomie_bloomers@reddit

As someone who thinks it's boring as an "Episode 4 again, but bigger this time": at the time it quite literally worked off of hype and aura. In the moment the movie felt good to watch, but in terms of substance there was not much there. (Maybe Finn as an ex-stormtrooper and teasing of more internal politics as to how the republic failed again) From what I read back then, that was the general sentiment. Not black and white "good" or "bad", but slightly nuanced "fun, but boring".

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NanoscaleHeadache@reddit

It was exciting because they opened up a lot of cool possibilities. It’s not as exciting now because the new directors canned every one of those possibilities

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HeavilyInvestedDonut@reddit

The general consensus from everyone I knew personally, whether they already loved Star Wars or not, was that they really enjoyed it. It was a new movie (finally!) and the first of what Disney had to offer. It was beautiful, had some great moments, was a little too slap sticky but not absurdly so, and it felt promising. Honestly, i didn’t make the connection of it being ANH 2.0 until I saw people start mentioning it WEEKS after release. I saw it several times with several groups of people and loved it each time. It’s only now after the ball was dropped in 8 and 9 that watching 7 feels bad, because any questions it offered, any hope it gave, was all dashed for no reason. The only thing TLJ had going for it imo was how pretty of a movie it was. The story sucked, the twists were deflating, and plot holes were gaping, etc. and again everyone I knew felt the same way. It literally made my dad give up on Star Wars, something he and I enjoyed ever since I was little. We’d seen every movie in theaters that had released since I was born until Solo. Still makes me sad

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Ao_Kiseki@reddit

Online everyone hated it, but people who don't argue about movies on Twitter/Reddit really liked it.

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Starquest65@reddit

I remember a car full of Star Wars fanatics driving home in complete silence.

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Killzark@reddit

I was deep in the fandom at the time. I got both, “yay it didn’t completely suck!” And at the same time, “So, that was basically just a shoddy remake of episode IV, right?”. At the time it seemed to try to appeal to what people wanted but also basically setting up nothing with no plan for the future while also pissing a lot of people off along the way. We now know how the rest went.

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sludgefeaster@reddit

It was very praised as a return to form. Prequel chuds are the only one screaming about it.

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wpm@reddit

And safe made sense. It was 2015. The Plinkett Reviews were only 6 years before that. The prequels hadn't had their public opinion rehabilitated, ironically, because the sequel trilogy hadn't happened yet. A Star Wars movie that "felt" like a Star Wars movie was a show of good faith "Hey audience, we know the last three movies were kinda poop, we're back though"

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

People criticized it for sure, but it was a pretty big hype train and people generally really enjoyed it. Criticism doesn't mean people dislike it. Again, I am not in that camp. I really didn't like TFA for that exact reason, and the Marvel humor it was just not good, but I'm not denying that it was pretty well received by most. It was easily the most well received sequel - sure not saying much - but still.

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JamesHenry627@reddit

Maybe the fact that I was 10 when it came out, but I remember the jubilation and genuine excitement this movie spawned. You can't be disappointed in a trilogy if you never had good expectations to begin with, no matter what sarcastics might say. I remember myself and many older fans wanted to immediately watch the movie again, which it doesn't do too well on rewatches.

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Doobalicious69@reddit

I remember a lot of the fans saying it was just a rehash of a new hope. Rey in particular was criticised as a protagonist as well.

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

Deeply enjoyed? What revisionist bullshit is this? The overwhelming consensus at the time was that is was essentially just a remake of "A New Hope" following literally the exact same story beats.

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Mythun4523@reddit

You're engaging in revisionism lol. The movie was well liked when it came out. Most people walked out liking the movie. It was after people sat with it that they started to see cracks. Similar to no way home. Hype when it was in theatres, but the time it came out on streaming people realised it's just nostalgia slop.

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

Those aren't mutually exclusive. People love slop.

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MrCockingFinally@reddit

People love slop sure. But deeply enjoyed? No one can say they "deeply enjoyed" scrolling TikToks for 5 hours.

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

I think you really misjudge how much people love slop.

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Smooth_Monkey69420@reddit

Bland, but hopeful was what I said after the credits rolled that first time watching TFA. TLJ was just a two and a half hour grimace

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RevBladeZ@reddit

Depends on at what point in time. After release, sure, people were just glad there was a new Star Wars movie. Though pretty much immediately people questioned why was it so similar to the original movie. But after the honeymoon period was gone, things were very different.

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

Yeah all I'm talking is release. I think it's always been dogshit and I'm glad people are really starting to turn on it. Like I was never alone in my opinion but very outnumbered.

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Xalethesniper@reddit

Definitely not deeply enjoyed, not even right when it came out. In a vacuum it was acceptable as an opener to a beloved franchise under new direction following a 10 year hiatus. And then TLJ came out… which was immediately widely criticized, and the meager amount of goodwill TFA already had going for it evaporated overnight.

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Noooonie@reddit

No shit it was just episode 4 with updated graphics

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viciouspandas@reddit

Mostly because of the massive nostalgia trip. It was a bad movie with a bad premise and I think people would have woken up to it because the sequels were bound to be bad with the setup imo

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

I'm not disagreeing. I'm just pointing out that it was way better well received. Believe me, I'm a professional sequel hater, but even a hater needs to understand how TFA lined up to the others in the viewers eyes.

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Kaeru-Sennin@reddit

> Believe me, I'm a professional sequel hater Don't you dare steal my job ! Joke aside I think it was wall received because while it was being mid / unoriginal (people saw it was basically an ep4-5 remake) it still get some "Well it's the first one, let see how the trilogy will end up" cope. We all now it ended up being shit of course but people still had hope back then. Not me though. The instant-Force learning really shot me in the heart.

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keeleon@reddit

Personally I was kind of excited at the idea of a stormtrooper turned jedi. I was also excited at the idea of seeing Luke Slywalker return...

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MothWaifu1711@reddit

JJ hates the prequels with such a burning passion that his entire plan was to essentially retell the original trilogy with absolutely minimal prequel connections possible. It’s meh because he didn’t actually care about making the movie good, he just wanted it to be better than the prequels.

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TheMerryMeatMan@reddit

I've been saying since it came out. While the movie was bloated, the idea of totally throwing the entire Jedi/With conflict to the wind and letting the finale come down to Rey and Ben both trying to convert one another was an *excellent* place to take the series at the time. The execution needed a lot more polish but I left the theater for TLJ *really* excited to see how that ending would play into the last third of the trilogy.

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

I would agree that they should have taken the movies in a different direction than the tired tropes of the last six movies - but the Sith/Jedi conflict is fundamentally core to Star Wars. You may as well have Star Trek without the Federation, or Transformers without the Decepticons. It just sort of breaks the core fantasy. Personally, I thought that they were going to/should have made Rey fall to the dark side. They could have subverted all the tropes they wanted with interesting character choices and plot twists without trying to reinvent what Star Wars fundamentally is.

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BaltarstarGaiustica@reddit

"Star Trek without the Federation" So, Star Trek: Enterprise?

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Glenmarrow@reddit

Which was about building the federation

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morbnowhere@reddit

Rei should've been converted, killed lei Kylo sees that, goes back to the light Finn should have been the new jedi, joined Ben in taking down rei

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GoGoSoLo@reddit

Honestly, leagues better than the runny shit on a plate we got served with that sequel trilogy.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

They did the most interesting part of TLJ so fucking dirty in the follow up. I know the last Jedi was divisive, and I myself am pretty mixed on the film as a whole, but I guarantee if they stuck the landing with what was set up by that film the entire trilogy would be redeemable.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

TLJ was the only movie with something to say in the whole trilogy. And I say this as someone who doesn’t really care for the film.

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Magallan@reddit

What do you think it had to say? "Acshually, both sides are bad guys"

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page395@reddit

I will take a safe movie over a massive fucking miss any day of the week

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Kaeru-Sennin@reddit

The only thing that """"movie"""" says is "LOOK AT MY I AM RIAN JOHNSON AND I HATE THIS FANDOM AND JJ ABRAMS". I hate this fucker with every fiber of my being.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

most normal Reddit Star Wars fan response

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Kaeru-Sennin@reddit

I am not a Star Wars fan anymore. They broke me.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

happy for you

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KonamiKing@reddit

What it had to say was trite and didn’t fit what came before it. You can have whatever message you want but it has to make sense in context.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

Care to explain?

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IamAwaken@reddit

You said it had something to say. They said it didn't. You demanding they explain first is bad etiquette from most any normal discussion. On another note the nature of the storytelling also had bad etiquette by not building up plot and then abandoning lots of plot threads to shovel random narratives in a shotgun pattern. Every movie good or bad "says something" but does it do so coherently and for a reason that was built up slowly like a stack of cards or is it just force levitating the top of the card house and telling you to be happy they spent unfathomable resources on it when they are a business that simply failed to create a proper business product. In some sense the narrative we built here trash talking has more coherent plot that the recent trilogy. It lacked the general human story for any of the main characters to develop around like an estranged father or perhaps in Rey's case the nature of being completely alone in the world and having everyone against them. But I won't waste more time with something that is beyond discussing. I hope this helped with your "just wanna know" part though that was a good story writing hook.

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FungusTheClown@reddit

The only reason there was another Palpatine is because Rian stupidly killed off the main villain in 2 instead of raising the stakes for the 3rd movie. Also the dialogue was cringey as fuck TLJ, Casino planet storyline was boring, stupid Mary Poppins Leiah. Total abomination of a movie.

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Wiinterfang@reddit

Revisionist history. The Force Awakens was so successful, even minor movies like Rogue one made a billion dollars. Star Wars hype was through the roof and Force Awakens while a pseudo reboot sprintle enough teases to give the following movies places to go. Ryan Johnson took a shit on all of them.

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acart005@reddit

Precisely. JJ did nothing wrong the first time. He gave the world the prequel palate cleanser it wanted and what better way than ANH2. Rian indeed shit on everything, then JJ did EVERYTHING wrong in RoS. Which being fair to him was certainly disney in panic mode. The answer for the Mouse is really easy. Launch Rian into the fucking sun, let Ahsoka do timey wimey bullshit that nukes the sequel timeline then go back to the end of TFA.

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MisterBobAFeet@reddit

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I ended up seeing it 4 times in theaters due to different friends and family wanting to see it. Everyone liked it. They had some gripes like Luke basically not being in it and Han Solo getting killed by his son. But they liked it. Then TLJ came out and "Subverted Expectations" by being a shitty sequel. The fact that 2/3 of the trilogy takes place over a 4 day weekend is fucking ridiculous and a giant reason why the trilogy failed.

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No_Oddjob@reddit

I agree, but The Last Jedi's box office take proved that people were still invested after TFA. TLJ was where the actual massacre took place, despite TFA being generally meh. The proof is that when Solo came out only five or six months later, no one showed up. I mean no one. So bad that you can't actually claim the movie's flaws were solely to blame - it was active and conscious disinterest from moviegoers following TLJ. Can't even blame saturation bc if TLJ had left them wanting more SW, they'd have shown up for Solo.

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Delvakiir@reddit

It was so blatantly A New Hope all over again. The dude barely had any new ideas. And the ones he did nothing were ever done with.

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Laxhoop2525@reddit

TLJ doesn’t get credit for “steering things in a new direction” when that direction is right off a cliff.

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TheCreepWhoCrept@reddit

Some people went meh. Normies loved it. Of course normie love doesn’t always translate to genuine staying power. People forget how huge TFA was when it came out. You have to place it in context. This was before the cultural reappraisal of the prequel trilogy, and the atmosphere was very much that TFA had to redeem the shiftiness of that trilogy. TFA was painfully mid, but in the eyes of the public that was all it needed to be. That alone generated a lot of goodwill and optimism. At the time, even people who disliked TFA were often still cautiously optimistic about the future of the franchise. How naive we were…

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Darkwr4ith@reddit

Yeah my literal reaction walking out the cinema was "I don't think I liked it but I'll reserve judgement until I see where it all goes"

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GoGoSoLo@reddit

\> TFA \> New story Is the new story in the room with us now?

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JustSomeTrickster@reddit

TFA was New Hope copy paste, but we had Snoke, Knights of Ren etc, so there was potential to actually go somewhere. TLJ was all about SuBvErTiNg ExPeCtAtIoNs just for the sake of it and killed every interesting concept that was put into the sequels

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_TheKid_@reddit

Ok Ryan

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Pupulauls9000@reddit

The Force Awakens is one of the highest grossing movies of all time

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Danpocryfa@reddit

Came to the comments to say this. TLJ is easily my favorite movie of the sequel trilogy just because it actually referenced what came before without bland and blind reverence, and tried something new; with Kylo overthrowing Snoke, it would've let us see what the Empire might've looked like if Anakin had overthrown Palpatine. It's not Rian's fault that JJ did the same thing with episode 9 as he did with 7, and brought everything back to basics while ignoring everything interesting that came before.

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VengineerGER@reddit

I have to disagree there. TFA was generally well received as a set up for a future movie even if the movie itself wasn‘t actually that good in hindsight.

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KonamiKing@reddit

TFA is the #1 US box office film of all time. Normal people LOVED it they were not ‘meh’. TLJ dropped 1/3 from it and the franchise cratered after that.

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nazare_ttn@reddit

I remember people (including me) being skeptically optimistic. It wasn’t great but good enough where I’d be willing to go see the sequel opening weekend to answer the questions left by TFA. Only for none of it to be worth the money or time.

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AdeptusShitpostus@reddit

TFA was fine for people who wanted more Star Wars. Wasn’t anything special but filled the usual hero’s journey action/fantasy format well enough

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EchoLoco2@reddit

Boggles my mind that people actually defend how this movie affected the series. Yes TROS was absolutely worse but it wasn't the one that initially threw everything off course. There are absolutely things to praise about TLJ but I get really sick of the r/letterboxd crowd who are convinced it's high cinema everyone just doesn't understand

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maninahat@reddit

TLJ isn't high cinema, but it is a fun action movie that tried to do new things within an overly rigid formula. The dirty truth is that Star Wars fans, at least the most nostalgic ones, would have sooner preferred a clone of *Empire Strikes Back*, even whilst bitching about how unoriginal it is the whole time. Or they would demand Thrawn/Mara Jade garbage, and still complain about the woman protagonist being a Mary Sue.

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EchoLoco2@reddit

This is such a nothing defense for bad writing lmao

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maninahat@reddit

I didn't even bring up the writing, I'm simply pointing out that I liked the movie whilst not seeing it as "high cinema".

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Technical_Prize_8193@reddit

I literally cannot remember one line or scene from this movie. Crazy how fast Disney killed one of the greatest cultural/artistic projects of America.

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Tom_Blunty@reddit

Yet somehow..

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ThorinSmokenshield@reddit

Emperor Jump The Shark returns.

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WASTELAND_RAVEN@reddit

I literally LOL’d so loud in the theatre and made people mad haha I got dragged to that movie by some friends, don’t even like star wars - holy shit what a bad plot. Million dolla’ turds

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staybehind23@reddit

It's like voluntarily giving up. They have the entire, massive EU (extended universe) filled with ideas and sick fan-theories. And literally decided on nothing.

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Curaced@reddit

They could've just straight-up run the Thrawn trilogy and it would have been amazing. Instead, we got this spectacular pillar of mediocrity.

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agvkrioni@reddit

I've been waiting for a Thrawn movie or animated show or something for like two decades? I still fucking miss the original Star Wars without the Lucas late addons of extra CGI and the other bullshit. Why do they keep doing this??

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Fwob@reddit

almost like the point was to ruin it

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Whenwasthisalright@reddit

So royally screwed up it begs the question; was this intentional? Did they scuttle the sw franchise?

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warlocki71@reddit

I was a huge Star Wars fan and watched only the first two. After that, when my wife asked me to go warch the third one in the cinema she went without me. Now I could not care less about anything Star Wars.

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empire_strikes_back@reddit

Out of 1-9, 9 is the only one I didn’t go see in the cinema.

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darkoopz43@reddit

I didnt go back to the theaters for 6 years after ruin johnsons, only time in my life I genuinely felt like asking for a refund on a movie ticket.

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ErZakeh@reddit

I went just because I saw the other two. It's the only film ever that made me want to just leave

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lemonylol@reddit

There was that one scene where that dude touched the ground and was shocked to find out it was salt.

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BazelBuster@reddit

>Crazy how fast Disney killed one of the greatest cultural/artistic projects of America. ![gif](giphy|efTCy9loCBqne)

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BigBootyBuff@reddit

"this is how we are going to win this war, not by fighting what we hate but by saving what we love." Which I only remember because some dude in the theatre was like "is this carebears??"

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latedescent@reddit

Holy hell, did he yell it out? I would have erupted with laughter and probably high fived the dude then left

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BigBootyBuff@reddit

He said it to whoever he was with but loud enough for all us around to hear. Caused some laughter yeah

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MrBingly@reddit

Hey that was the most memorable scene for me too! But more because it was the one time I let myself get hyped thinking they were finally doing something cool that would redeem Finn's pathetic character, and then getting slapped in the face with that bullshit.

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Tiiimmmaayy@reddit

I still remember busting out laughing in theaters when Leia got shot into space and then started flying like Superman through space. So ridiculously dumb.

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NorthKoreanKnuckles@reddit

"Somehow palpatine returned"

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BlackAxemRanger@reddit

And crazy with how blatantly it's just a cluster fuck, people will still defend it because people will defend anything really

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Tiiimmmaayy@reddit

I honestly don’t think I have seen a single person defend the newest SW trilogy. Maybe people claiming “it’s not THAT bad”, but not straight up saying they were any good.

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BlackAxemRanger@reddit

I've seen it here on Reddit just not sure where. But you guys understand if no one else, kids have no frame of reference and everything is amazing at that age

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MrBingly@reddit

I remember two scenes particularly well. The one where they fight fight the red guards after killing Snoke, and the guards are just running around like it's some dance choreography without any dancing. And then the one scene I got hyped for because they were finally doing something with Finn's character, where he was going to sacrifice himself to save everyone, and the utter bullshit of derp bitch effectively teamkilling him because she was fangirling too hard to let him die before she could ride his dick.

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techaansi@reddit

Over exposed

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Fern-ando@reddit

The sequels made the original triology pointless, evwrything reverted to pre episode 4 during the timeskip.

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RinTheTV@reddit

I don't mind the First Order "winning" Imo it would've been interesting seeing how the First Order somehow managed to wrest control from a newly traumatized galaxy fresh from Sith Palpatine pains, while under management of very popular, very active war heroes like Han, Leia, and Luke. But the sequels basically just went EHHHHH SHIT HAPPENS and handwaved it all away. This would be like finishing LOTR only for someone to go "you know what LOTR needed? LOTR 2, but Aragorn is now a fat subhuman chud living in bumfuck nowhere cos he tried to kill Frodo's kid who's actually Dark Lord Sauronman's 2nd in command." Like, what?

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Section8firearms@reddit

> Imo it would've been interesting seeing how the First Order somehow managed to wrest control from a newly traumatized galaxy fresh from Sith Palpatine pains, while under management of very popular, very active war heroes like Han, Leia, and Luke Thrawn legends trilogy is sitting in a library for free.

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RinTheTV@reddit

I already read those. I have a whole library of EU books. Unironically lol

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wpm@reddit

They felt they *had* to follow the same beats as ANH to a fault. Nothing says the trilogy *had* to start off on a desert planet with an orphan finding their destiny and blah blah blah. They coulda started it off doing exactly what you said, like for fucks sake, 20 minutes setting the scene of a rotting New Republic barely holding on, you know *establish the fucking setting* and setup your main villains? ANH could get away with its out-of-the-blue start because it was a brand new IP, TFA had two trilogies to follow up on. We *know* it all ended with the Emperor getting throwed into the fucking reactor and Yub Nub, why are there space nazis now and why are they all so pathetic? They did the same lazy shit the Halo writers at 343i did. They had a room full of fucking morons go "we have all these cool story beats we want to hit" so they did that, then hired writers who at least know the basics of worldbuilding and storytelling to fill in all the blanks in the fucking novels and whatever. Paint-by-numbers writing, all you gotta do is tell the suits that the numbers are gonna be good and they let you do whatever.

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JudgementalChair@reddit

For real though. Wtf was Guardians, and 1) Why was that story ever greenlit, 2) Why did they not even finish it in game? If you're going to make me wrap my head around a weird story and antagonist, at least let me play through the best part

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BlueOmicronpersei8@reddit

I still think a chaotic criminal gangster wasteland would've been better than bringing back space Nazis. Having the galactic evil super oppressive government fall, and then crime and corruption taking over is sadly realistic. Kind of like the fall of the Soviet Union.

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Prancer4rmHalo@reddit

I’m not into Star Wars and I would have gone to see this.

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Sengfroid@reddit

_Epsiode 8: Rise of Order_ goes hard. Could have been a good watch, having a split form over the trilogy, between a main character that goes down the dark side bringing "Order" to the power vacuum and the and the other that's trying to restore the Jedi Order. Great opportunity to explore more of Han's background in the criminal underbelly, and you could still kill him off, starting his son down the path to the dark side via vengeance in his desire to bring the criminal elements of the galaxy to heel. And then _of course_ eventually the two once-allies have to fight as the one is building a to a new empire as the other seeks justice. Thus both mirroring the end of the the original AND the prequel series, and sending home the message that tyranny is not defeated once, it must be resisted constantly both externally and within. Bam, five minutes of an outline, massively more compelling. Had they just sat down for five minutes to even consider the overall direction...

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wpm@reddit

This would've gone hard as fuck

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Sengfroid@reddit

I blame Yub Nub for dooming everything after it

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croptochuck@reddit

The first order shouldn’t been more like rebels who rejected the Jedi way. They felt safe with the empire because the empire brought law and order. Then a Jedi comes in destroys the empire with no plan to replace or protect the galaxy.

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popopornado@reddit

Never seen LOTR, except the first 15 minutes on a flight without my consent, but I fully understand what you are saying and it’s sad.

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AwakenMirror@reddit

Can't confirm. "We are what they grow beyond." Is probably the best line of dialogue in all of Star Wars. Snoke was just a stupid Palpatine clone (literally as EP9 confirmed). He was bad in the first place.

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MDeimos@reddit

You'll be surprise to know that SW Fans rated as one of the best movies on the franchise. That Fandom is so fkn dumb.

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The_Noremac42@reddit

I just remember Snoke reminding me heavily of Hugh Hefner.

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redpanda575@reddit

Welp...... can't unsee *that* now. Thanks

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PomegranateHot9916@reddit

I remember one line/scene and it was the one that made me check out mentally. start of the movie, poe to first order wanker "your mother" and just like that, I was no longer a star wars fan

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razwhee@reddit

Honestly the only bit I remember is the lesson poe(?) learned about not ever questioning authority

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maninahat@reddit

We won't be the ones who decide what has staying power. No one liked the prequels until the sequels started coming out, then all of a sudden we're hearing endless prequel memes and feeling nostalgia for those shitty old movies. The same thing could well happen for the sequels, which were seen my millions of kids who have yet to grow up.

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tinydeepvalue@reddit

Well thats what happens if you give "the story of rebels and freedom" to the empire.

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spacenavy90@reddit

I remember a couple dumb "witty" Marvel one-liners only because they were so stupidly out of place.

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Idontpayforfeetpics@reddit

Oh I remember one. “Got milk” *milks blue goo from large wet creature* “I’m retired”

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Trashypuppy@reddit

People constantly be out here hating on Rian Johnson and I know their asses haven’t seen the peak that is his first movie Brick.

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ItssHarrison@reddit

As if the force awakens was any better lmao

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SaltyFlavors@reddit

No one said that. But JJ had to try to deal with the consequences of the absolutely insane disaster that made no sense at any point that was TLJ. JJ is not a good enough writer to dig himself out of his own holes, let alone someone else’s.

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Swerdman55@reddit

I genuinely think this is a braindead take. All they had to do was make Kylo a genuine villain and stick with Rey being a nobody. If JJ just stayed the course, we would have had an infinitely better Episode IX

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SaltyFlavors@reddit

I mean that’s fair

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FlowerGathering@reddit

The sequels were always shit TFa was just another into darkness wrath of khan.

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JohnnyXorron@reddit

Because he’s also capable of making good shit like Knives Out. He did completely fuck up Star Wars, though.

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egrota@reddit

They had a great first movie. I really did have a great time watching it. The second and third kill it immediately.

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egrota@reddit

They had a great first movie. I really did have a great time watching it. The second and third kill it immediately.

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vitringur@reddit

It was by far the best of the sequels. TFA was shit

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Banana_suit_guy@reddit

Maybe star wars is just trash

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jim9162@reddit

This movie was a horrendous movie. Rian clearly does not understand Star Wars, or he outright despises it. The only time a lightsaber hit another lightsaber was in Lukes flashback/character assassination. The big fight was the throne room fight against nameless faceless goons. There was no lightsaber duel in a star wars movie. That's like a James Bond movie where he doesn't seduce a sexy woman, drink a cocktail, or use any gadgets.

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stater354@reddit

Why is a lightsaber duel necessary? You need to see people spinning and flipping for a movie to be good?

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CaseClosedEmail@reddit

Yes. Because it’s a movie about people with light sabers

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stater354@reddit

No it’s not. Star Wars is about space politics and rebellion. The series is not “about” the Jedi, or the Sith, or lightsabers.

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jim9162@reddit

Ah I see you don't get Star Wars either. A Star Wars movie only needs to accomplish one thing. It needs to be fun. that's why the prequel trilogies, as flawed as they are, will be remembered fondly. And the sequels will not.

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strawbery_fields@reddit

What about Rouge One and Solo?

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jim9162@reddit

They were great movies (Rogue > Solo) but it wasn't a numbered entry in a primary trilogy.

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MetroGnome1992@reddit

Ryan Johnson single handedly humiliated JJ Abrams by proving that his stupid “Mystery Box” was empty all along.

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-TwistedHairs-@reddit

The goal was to make Rey hot as fuck and get my peener hard

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nodisintegrations420@reddit

Oh i love saag peener!

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internetlad@reddit

Send boba

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Ardalev@reddit

Fett or Vagene???

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CallsYouCunt@reddit

Hello bitch, lasagna.

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palmerry@reddit

Fetty wap

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piketpagi@reddit

you know, reddit (or 4chan?) has weird fixation on Daisy Ridley's armpit

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-Moon-Presence-@reddit

Sauce

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piketpagi@reddit

No.

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Kronomancer1192@reddit

I could never get over how the actor is unable to make any more than 5 facial expressions. Most of the movie she just looked dumbfounded.

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TrollerCoasterWoo@reddit

Every time Han Solo moved, you could tell every bone in his joint in his body had arthritis

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onarainyafternoon@reddit

Snoke made my peener like diamond

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emparer@reddit

Fuck man this comment section brings the feral beast out me I will never understand Rian supporters that took the script and absolutely shits on it, straight diarrhea in terms of writing. I’ll give him one thing though he somehow brainwashed half of the people that watched it to be his loyal dogs for the rest of time. JJ took an uninspiring dookie on starwars while rian absolutely demolished everything about the ip, he won, the holywood execs won and half the people rejoiced for what was taken from them. Wild stuff.

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SegridHelmsman@reddit

>Star Wars still hasnt bounced back from it Idk man I think its been pretty peak lately? The only bad things to come out since the movies were acolyte and kenobi. BBF and Ahsoka were mid+, and everything else has been really good. I mean look at Maul, Bad Batch, Andor, Mandalorian, the Tales series, the Visions series, etc. All great star wars content that adds to the universe and story.

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scottyg561@reddit

TFA was just A New Hope rehashed, TLJ is quite clearly the best movie in the sequel trilogy and set up a bunch of stuff to actually move the franchise forward that TROS just threw it all away because they were scared of Sloptubers.

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FungusTheClown@reddit

L take. TLJ literally had one job and failed. Raise the stakes for the 3rd movie. Imagine if Empire ended with Darth Vader being a good guy and killing Palpatine when there was still a 3rd movie scheduled. What do they even do. Plus the Casino planet subplot was boring, the dialog was cringey and unlike the characters, the Mary Poppins Leiah scene was dumb. Worst Star Wars movie ever made.

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SleepingPodOne@reddit

Artistically it’s the best one in the trilogy but admittedly the bar was kinda low. TFA was completely soulless and did nothing to advance Star Wars and its story. It can be enjoyed fine on its own as a movie (its fun, the filmmaking and script are perfectly competent, even tight) but it really suffers in the broader context of Star Wars. I couldn’t help but think the film was one of the most cynical attempts at fanboy appeasement I’ve ever seen. I remember walking out of it and turning to my girlfriend after she asked what I thought and telling her I might’ve actually despised it not because it was a poorly made and written film but a cynical one. I just couldn’t bring myself to actually respect the movie at all because the movie doesn’t respect its audience. (fully admitting here that I don’t think Star Wars fans are deserving of respect tho lol) TLJ took me three watches to really “get” it, mostly because I found myself too annoyed at the sub plots of Poe and Finn so damn thin and annoying. Johnson clearly cared about the central Rey/Luke/Ben storyline because it was genuinely great, but could not give less of a shit about the other two and it shows. I still can’t really bring myself to like that movie all that much because of it. As a whole, it’s a mess. But deep down there is something great there. And then rise of skywalker did the same shit TFA did, just treated the audience like pigs for their slop again except even worse because the screenplay wasn’t even competent. Best part of the theater experience for that movie was the spicy gay couple in front of us laughing at it.

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maninahat@reddit

Mostly agree, except to say that *Rogue One* is in fact the most cynical attempt at fanboy appeasement. It feels like an extended YouTube fan movie, complete with a gratuitous Vader and lightsaber cameo that exists for no reason than to get seal claps. It's basically *Attack of the Clones*, a panicky "no, please come back, look at all these references you know!"

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TheDBagg@reddit

Yeah after how familiar TFA was TLJ really subverted my expectations and set up some plot points that should've made the third film completely different to the original trilogy as well - Kylo becoming the leader of the villains should have precluded a Vader-style redemption, the rebellion down to a handful of people should've meant something different to a massive battle to decide the victory... and then everyone complained because apparently we just want to watch the same movie remade every few years.

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TheInsanernator@reddit

Peak “audience has everything figured out so I’m making a left turn and pulling the rug out from underneath you all because how dare you be invested in the material to make smart predictions! Haha I’m such a clever writer!”

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Dasnap@reddit

They really just needed to keep the same director for all three films instead of having them fight back and forth over what the story should be. Johnson might have been able to make an interesting trilogy if he was allowed to make it a subversion from the start.

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FungusTheClown@reddit

Id rather JJ did them all. The cringey dialog from TLJ in all 3 movies would be a disaster

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Razurus@reddit

This drove me insane for the 2nd Knives Out movie "haha the twist is that mystery plots are dumb and so are you for wanting one lmao."

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confused_smut_author@reddit

I find it hard to care how good or bad this one is when the other two are also terrible and the third one in particular might be genuinely the worst film I've ever seen, in terms of basic filmmaking incompetence but also waste of creative potential on an unprecedented scale. And blaming RJ for ruining the third one is 100% cope.

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

>the third one in particular might be genuinely the worst film I've ever seen I'm not going to sit here and defend Rise of Skywalker - because you're right that it's trash. But *genuinely the worst film you've ever seen* is just nuts. At the very least RoS was a mediocre popcorn movie. There are absolutely movies that fail even at that. How old are you? Have you never seen the fucking Dungeon Siege movie? Or the old Mortal Kombat?

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confused_smut_author@reddit

When I say this, people like you often don't understand what I'm saying, or why. And that's okay.

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

If you were attempting hyperbole, you failed.

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confused_smut_author@reddit

You feel very strongly about this, don't you?

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

Not really. If you're expecting me to bite on your trolling, good luck.

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confused_smut_author@reddit

waaaaah man whose comment i obviously didn't actually read has different opinion than me waaah trolling waaaaaah

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maninahat@reddit

I've described RoS as a bad movie full of good bits. It's one I'll happily rewatch, even knowing it is a bad movie. I can't say the same for the genuine worst movies I've seen.

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djaqk@reddit

Only good recent one was Rouge One(?) because (major spoiler) they had the balls to actually let the characters die in a war, crazy ik like who would think of something so brave?

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Al_Fatman@reddit

Luke Skywalker saw the light in Darth Vader. Vader, a genocidal monster, who had slaughter men, women, and children for decades at this point. He had blown up towns, cities, and planets. He was ruthless; stopping at nothing to get intel to find, and destroy the last remnants of the Jedi. And Obi Wan? The man was OBSESSED to kill him. He pulled spaceships from the sky just at the chance to kill him. And Luke saw the light side in Darth Vader! Luke saw Anakin was still there, buried inside all the hate and anger, and throughout all of that, managed to bring it back and fulfil the Prophecy. But Ben Solo has *ONE* bad dream, *ONE* dream tied to the dark side, and Luke decides to kill him.

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jezzete@reddit

Crying about it more should help

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ohyousoretro@reddit

I still like TLJ better than any of the OT movies.

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JudgementalChair@reddit

I'll never forget the Star Wars bootlickers after The Last Jedi came out. So many people defended it when it was objectively bad for the greater series. There was no coming back for Rise of Skywalker. Abrams cobbled together the scraps of story that he could to finish the series off, but we end up with a clone trope and a hidden mega army trope which was dog shit for Star Wars as a whole. The Mandalorian was the only thing that barely "saved" Star Wars, now they're just squeezing the ever living shit out of that fruit for any juice that's left

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Laxhoop2525@reddit

Because he made a few literal garbage who-dunnit’s that people think are good for no reason.

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Slingbr@reddit

Is he tho?

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Buttchugger2@reddit

I liked TLJ and TFA, HATE ROS, love rogue one andor. Which faction does that put me in?

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NPRdude@reddit

A reasonable middle ground that doesn’t get bogged down in fanboy whining.

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Dadaman3000@reddit

I fucking hate this narrative. He was the only guy who actually took risks and tried to do something new. TFA was hust ANH with new characters and J.J. Abrams or Disney didn't actually write any over arching plot. I'm glad Rian tried to make something interesting with it, even if he ultimately failed. It would've been a lot better if Rian could've directed a full trilogy of "not interested in Skywalkers".

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Cowboy_Dandy_III@reddit

This old chestnut again?? Just because he took (damaging) risks doesn’t mean he should be appraised for it If I take risks by eating a vindaloo with my IBS and I shit my pants at the table, should I still be praised for “muh taking risks”???

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VengineerGER@reddit

You can respect Rian for wanting to take risks but TLJ was not the right place to be taking risks. This is the second movie in your trilogy in a multi billion dollar franchise. This isn’t the place where you try to completely upend the status quo of an established franchise and try to move the focus away from the characters everyone is watching the movie for. When the actor for the main character of the previous trilogy is saying you’re writing his character wrong maybe you should listen and reflect instead of charging ahead with your ideas. A show like Andor took many risks and turned out to be a masterpiece. It’s not that you can’t focus on a different side of Star Wars. You just shouldn’t use the main trilogy to do it.

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GuyKopski@reddit

The bizarre thing about TLJ is that it takes enormous risks with the legacy characters, but then plays things ridiculously safe with the new characters. If anything, they should have done the opposite. We've all heard the arguments about Luke before so I'm not gonna get into that. But Rey, that part where she and Kylo team up against Snoke and then he offers to make something new with her, I have literally never seen a single person say that Rey saying no to that was the right call. Everyone was excited at that prospect, to the point where people thought TROS should have brought it up again, even though it's shot down immediately in TLJ and she's never even tempted. Same with Finn. A lot of people feel like it would have been more meaningful if he'd actually died at the end of the movie, especially in hindsight since he pretty much becomes a pointless character in TROS.

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VengineerGER@reddit

Yup I couldn’t agree more. Especially when it comes to Finn my man should have had his sacrifice to save his friends but no Rose had to pull some reality defying warping shit to somehow get ahead of him in the exact same vehicle travelling at the same speed and not getting shot by any of the walkers on approach. I could rant about that scene for a good while.

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StarvinPig@reddit

I mean, it would be the right spot to take risks had they actually sat down and thought about how those fit into the overarching story. Its not like ESB was a complete status quo keeper either

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Mythun4523@reddit

Bro's out here applauding the mentally ill homeless Man for smearing his shit on an apple store window because he thinks it's performance art or something

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Kaeru-Sennin@reddit

Episode 7 was a fast-food hamburger : unoriginal, cheap and blantantly generic. Episode 8 is the same hamburger but you remove the steak and put dogshit instead before pissing all over it. Is it "a risk" and "new" ? Yeah probably, but it doesn't makes it good in any shape or form.

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Psylux7@reddit

What people forget is that it would not be a risk were it always a positive. Someone can want a risk to be taken, but they are not obligated to like the end result. This idea that people should support TLJ's dumbass decisions because it took risks is silly.

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decafade9@reddit

I appreciate how he got rid of Snoke who felt like a poor mans Palpatine and Luke who got a moment of redemption but cleared the way for the struggle between Kylo and Rey to be the focus of the last movie. Though Johnsons movie had things that didn't work too well the last movie wasn't terrible because they didn't have the material to build on from The Last Jedi.

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wpm@reddit

Rian Johnson put a bullet to a lot JJ came back and double-tapped. Anything redeemable in TFA was undone by Rian Johnson, and redeemable from TLJ was undone *again* by JJ Abrams. Somehow, Palpatine fucking returned lmao.

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decafade9@reddit

Though I'm sure JJ would have done the second movie very differently I don't think it disregards the first as much people act like it does. Snoke was barely developed in TFA beyond being some shadowy figure behind Kylo so having Kylo take him out seems like a reasonable continuation of the first movies story and gives Kylo space to assume greater power for the finale. Others might continue it in an other way but if they wanted that they should have locked down a story in advance or had one director to do all the movies. Kylo and Rey had the most potential from TFA and TLJ did a lot to continue the story and set up a clash in the final movie. Fin and Poe plots aren't the best but they have some character development. TFA sets up Luke as being in self imposed exile, TLJ continues that. People might not have enjoyed watching Luke being disenchanted with the force but it's a continuation of the story from TFA and he gets his redemption without overshadowing the Rey and Kylo story. The rebels being on the run seems like standard second movie in a trilogy plot after the first movie had them strike a blow against the Deathstar. the Reys parents being nobody special seems like the only satisfying answer, it would be terrible if she was related to the Skywalkers or Palpatine, if JJ had a better answer to the plot thread he left hanging I have yet to hear it.

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wpm@reddit

> Snoke was barely developed in TFA Vader wasn't really developed in ANH either. They didn't kill him off in ESB though to make room for Palpatine. > Others might continue it in an other way but if they wanted that they should have locked down a story in advance or had one director to do all the movies. On this, we can agree. > The rebels being on the run seems like standard second movie in a trilogy plot after the first movie had them strike a blow against the Deathstar. Except they could have just left any time to go to Canto Bight as was demonstrated by the film's C plot. > it would be terrible if she was related to the Skywalkers or Palpatine Yeah, totally...sure would be. Have you *seen* TLJ? That's literally what fucking happens! She's a fucking Palpatine, and then the **movie ends** with her saying "uhmrn no aktschually i'ma skywalker" And that's from the movie JJ wrote and directed lmfao

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decafade9@reddit

My point was merely to say I don't see TLJ as completely acting against what TFA set up. > Vader wasn't really developed in ANH either. They didn't kill him off in ESB though to make room for Palpatine. I agree the Original trilogy did it well, but if we are making another 3 movies based on it I don't think a worse version of the previous trilogies villain does the trick and I think few will disagree that bringing back Palpatine was even worse. > Except they could have just left any time to go to Canto Bight as was demonstrated by the film's C plot. Although the C plot had problems I think it makes sense smaller ships could break away from the pursuit while the main Rebel fleet could not. > Yeah, totally...sure would be. Have you *seen* TLJ? That's literally what fucking happens! She's a fucking Palpatine, and then the **movie ends** with her saying "uhmrn no aktschually i'ma skywalker" And that's from the movie JJ wrote and directed lmfao That was my point, TFA poses the question of Rey's parents and TLJ answers it reasonably well but for some reason ROS changes it to something worse. I mostly see TLJ working within the framework set up by TFA while the ROS tries to disregard TLJ.

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lblack_dogl@reddit

We literally got a pissing match of a trilogy, nobody fucking sat down and wrote three movies before they started, absolutely trash planning.

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BallIsLifeMccartney@reddit

idk if we should be blaming tlj for how bad ros was. ros is far and away the worst star wars movie and it’s not even close. i’d rather watch the holiday special.

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throwtheclownaway20@reddit

He didn't fail. Disney failed the entire franchise via Abrams

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alldaymacdre@reddit

It would have been nice for Rian to actually understand Star Wars. His movie was shit and ideas were shit it fucked over everything that came before it and after it.

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omyrubbernen@reddit

If I had to choose between a chef with no original ideas who always follows the recipe to the letter, and a chef who serves his own shit on a platter, I would go with the chef who isn't taking risks and trying to do something new.

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EchoLoco2@reddit

I respect how it took risks, I do not respect how the risks spat in the face of other entities in the series.

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

Right. The people who lionize The Last Jedi are basically applauding somebody for smearing shit on the bathroom wall, because at least it was different than the same old sharpie drawings. You don't get points for garbage. He deliberately sabotaged the trilogy story beat.

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Shannontheranga@reddit

Nah bro. Star Wars middle movie in sequel trilogy. Not where you take unproven risks that if fail have drastic repercussions across the whole cannon and other projects.

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wilhayrog@reddit

I know, can you imagine a Star Wars movie in the middle of the trilogy that suddenly has a much darker tone and takes major risks by having a twist come out of nowhere at the end and making the movie end with the main characters losing? Cause I think that's a clear sign of it ruining the franchise /s

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wolphak@reddit

Wild take: star wars fans don't want risks they want formulaic space opera/heros journey. That's where they went wrong. They had to make it theirs. There had to be a defining line between Disney Star wars and Lucas Star wars. And that was the most absolutely dumber than fuck thing they could have done.

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lblack_dogl@reddit

Disagree, I wanted a new story, TFA was hot dog water.

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antraxsuicide@reddit

People say this, but stuff like Mando (BoBF&S3) and Acolyte shows the more formulaic stuff is much worse and more poorly received than the interesting stuff like Mando S1 and Andor. You really can have too much ice cream. Just look at Michael Bay’s career. He puts exactly what the people who buy tickets to his films expect (tons of explosions and VFX) but he misses more often than not. It’s also why YouTube fanslop films (where it’s all flash, no substance) hasn’t overtaken traditional media. You watch some guys do lightsaber choreography in the dark for a few minutes, you get the idea, and you close the tab.

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SoylentCreek@reddit

Yeah. TFA was a solid return to form, but didn’t offer anything new. TLJ at least TRIED to do something interesting by laying the groundwork for abandoning the tired “only special because of lineage” trope. Disney and Lucasfilm panicked, and capitulated to the toxic fanbase, which lead to the shittiest Star Wars movie getting made. I ultimately think the blame falls on the execs. The fact they did not immediately lock in on a singular vision for the trilogy, and instead opted into giving every director their chance to pick up the narrative and just run with it just shows how horribly managed the franchise has been.

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wpm@reddit

Diogenes tried something new too. Doesn't mean we all have to clap

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Cowboy_Dandy_III@reddit

Because he directed Ozzy Mandy Ass

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sharksalad@reddit

According to wikipedia everyone loved this movie

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maninahat@reddit

That's because reviews are written by professionals who like watching movies, not redditors who like watching people complain about things on YouTube.

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sharksalad@reddit

Do you believe in Santa Claus also?

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maninahat@reddit

Are you 15? What part did I say that was untrue?

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cat_pavel@reddit

Rey was kinda hot

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Aphrel86@reddit

They should just hand the reigns to whoever made Andor tbh.

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ExtraPomelo759@reddit

Cuz, credit where it's due: TLJ looks impressive. The script is dogshit, but the directing was inspired. Also, Johnson made more stuff that doesn't suck.

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ExtraPomelo759@reddit

Cuz, credit where it's due: TLJ looks impressive. The script is dogshit, but the directing was inspired. Also, Johnson made more stuff that doesn't suck.

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soldiercross@reddit

Knives Out is a good franchise and all 3 films vary between entertaining to excellent.

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TheSerpentLord@reddit

TFA was a mindless garbage that basically rehashed A New Hope almost scene by scene. It's been so many years and I still don't get why people ever praised that shameless copy paste of a film. No matter how many flaws the Last Jedi had, at the very least it attempted to salvage some scraps of originality for the Sequel Trilogy. Which were then intentionally buried in Episode 9.

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touwkonijn@reddit

dont fool yourself, episode 7 was just as garbage

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GargamelLeNoir@reddit

He actually tried something. There was nothing interesting about what Force Awakened set up. Getting rid of Evil Sith #3356 and making Rey's lineage irrelevant were great ideas. The movie was still a failure but at least it tried, which makes it the best of that trilogy.

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SaltyFlavors@reddit

Did anyone else see TLJ in theaters and then just never watch The Rise of Skywalker or whatever it was called? I suppose I should be thanking Rian for that. His impressively piece of shit movie saved me from ever caring to watch all unimpressive piece of shit movies that followed.

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ConfidentMongoose@reddit

I saw the force awakens and never bothered to return for any of the sequels. Everything star wars, besides Andor, that Disney touches, turns to shit.

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FifthOfJameson@reddit

It’s crazy how people focus on this and not The Rise of Skywalker. Aside from the handling of Luke, I don’t have a ton of issues with The Last Jedi. Rian Johnson looked at The Force Awakens, saw that it was a rehash of A New Hope with a few adjustments, and decided to shake things up rather than do a remake of Empire. The dorks who clapped like seals for TFA lost their goddamn minds, and Disney pooped their big boy pants and put out a turd just to walk everything from the previous film back. Switching up on Rey’s origin multiple times because JJ hadn’t actually figured out what the fuck the movie even was? Fucking amateur hour. I’m a casual Star Wars fan. I like the games a lot. Shadow of the Empire on N64 fucked. The Kyle Katarn games on Xbox fucked. From what I’ve read in Wookiepedia, there are a lot of great ideas in the shit Disney decided isn’t canon anymore. It’s all to sell toys folks.

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misterpeers@reddit

I actually like TLJ.

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OldSkooRebel@reddit

He just didn't/doesn't care about Star Wars Didn't care about where the story left off, didn't care about the way he left it

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SaltyFlavors@reddit

https://preview.redd.it/xpb2yale1vzg1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2bdfcf53b9c3062442dc53c90c48fc1bb17fdb46 \>shows up in your unplanned slop trilogy \>makes most impressive piece of shit movie imaginable \>leaves \>actively destroys slop trilogy Based

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donutmcbonbon@reddit

Bro that's JJ Abram's as well. Him and his mystery box bullshit need to leave Hollywood right now.

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OldSkooRebel@reddit

I'm definitely not a JJ defender, but if one person made all three movies it would have at least made for a more coherent trilogy, even with no real plan in place. But each film tries to course correct from the last

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homingmissile@reddit

Knives Out was great

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TionKa@reddit

He did what the upper management wanted without any questions at all , like a good lapdog . Thats why hollywood likes hin.

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HitIerWasBad@reddit

I like the knives out series

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Clyde-MacTavish@reddit

I also really liked looper. That's the type of stuff he's good at making. Star Wars? Not so much imo.

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cuteplot@reddit

My favorite part was the strong resemblance between Joseph Gordon Levitt and Bruce Willis

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Crashover90@reddit

Its uncanny how much their upper lips look like each other's.

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esssssto@reddit

As a movie It wasn't bad, but It didn't make any sense in the context of the saga. It was set to contradict everything that happens on the episode VII and in the universe in general. Whatever plan JJ Abrahams had was squished, and he tried to go back to It in episode IX making a hard turn while maintaining the cannon of the two previous films, and failed even harder.

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tthblox@reddit

Knives out.

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TrueGootsBerzook@reddit

Cuz he made other good movies.

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RevBladeZ@reddit

His problem is that he should never have been allowed to work on a movie in a lore-heavy series when he himself admits lore does not interest him. His other movies work because they are not that.

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just_another_cs_boi@reddit

all the knives out movies have giga boosted his rep

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theyeshman@reddit

Don't get me wrong those movies are good fun but do people like the way they're directed enough to prop up a director's reputation? I feel 90% of the appeal of a knives out movie is that they're tightly written, and unravel at the right pace to make everyone feel smart for solving it when they do. Daniel Craig puts in good performances in em, and I'm sure some of that is on the director, but they just don't seem like directorial masterpieces to me. IG some of it could be blockbuster audiences attributing everything good and bad about a film to the director and lead, but I thought people wised up to that like 20 years ago now

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glashgkullthethird@reddit

You'll be shocked at who's written them (it's also Rian Johnson)

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theyeshman@reddit

I am indeed shocked

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lblack_dogl@reddit

Dang bro just solved the mystery

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decafade9@reddit

Well he wrote the scripts and directed for all 3 Knives out so it's fair to give him a fair bit of credit, some directors have made bad movies even with good scripts and actors.

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Deruji@reddit

Wookiees don’t wear pants, you’d sniff that copilot seat.

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BambooSound@reddit

The Last Jedi isn't a good film but it's so much better than TFA and the other one. At least it tried to do something.

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UpsetPhilosopher4661@reddit

pretending the star wars franchise has good movies aside from hope and empire is as dumb as twitter discourse

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genie_on_a_porcini@reddit

The only good star wars film is rogue one. Tho the editing of the empire strikes back is amazing. Homies wife was clutch in saving his directionless drek

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Judah_Earl@reddit

Star Wars fans are insufferable, so I'm glad he killed off Star Wars.

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Randyd718@reddit

Best sequel unironically

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internetlad@reddit

I do like Rians other work but holy shit what he did to star wars was unforgivable

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The_real_bandito@reddit

The Force Awakens was a bigger pile of shit than the Rise of Skywalker by far. RotJ at least tried to make something new even if it failed at it, but Force Awakens was a rehash with a lot of plot holes that never got solved.

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KnownAsAnother@reddit

He's a good director just not a good Star Wars director.

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BrunoTheYeti@reddit

Imagine being an adult and liking Star Wars. Even worse, wants to find any actual *quality* in a movie like that, what a waste Rian Johnson was right

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The_Law_of_Pizza@reddit

You went too hard. Trolling has to be believable, such that other users think you might actually be serious and engage with you. Go too far, like this, and everybody knows you're just faking it.

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moragdong@reddit

What did he say?

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CornginaFlegemark@reddit

Tlj is genuinely the closest any star wars film has ever been to being interesting imo. The generic good vs evil shlock is violently upended into a much more interesting dynamic about the failures of the past and how to move past them. Still not a good movie but def best, maybe 2nd best, in the series

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Lunai5444@reddit

Disney is a shitty cash machine that is lucky enough to own Pixar

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BeesVBeads@reddit

Robo leg Maul leading the crime syndicate would have been so much cooler than the weird slop we ended up with.

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sludgefeaster@reddit

TLJ was great. Prequel chuds just hate it because Luke can’t have a mental break or impulsive decisions, despite the fact that he has impulsive decisions throughout the OT.

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Sec_Chief_Blanchard@reddit

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Shannontheranga@reddit

Rian Johnson genuinely a miserable man. Intentionally decided to fuck over Star Wars. Only people worse than him are the ones that let his grubby hands touch Star Wars.

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antraxsuicide@reddit

\> TFA \> new story Wut

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Yuri909@reddit

He isn't?

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Clear_Adhesiveness60@reddit

Sometimes its funny to trojan horse a well established series anon does not appreciate sabotage in his recycled slop

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okruina@reddit

The end game is to ruin creativity and fun

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hairyballsinmybutt@reddit

He's actually made a lot of good movies. Last Jedi more than likely had a lot of studio interference too.

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ufailowell@reddit

Knives Out slaps and its on Disney for not having a vision going into star wars instead of playing baton pass with visions and no supervision

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yeezusKeroro@reddit

At this point there are like 3 genuinely good movies in this franchise, a few okay movies and 1 or 2 good seasons across all the shows. Forced myself to watch episodes 1-6 to see what the hype was about and ultimately I can't bring myself to watch episode 9 to this day. This series is and always will be wasted potential.

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SuperArppis@reddit

What you mean? You mean how Star Wars fans has hated everything Star Wars from Return of the Jedi to modern day?

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StinkingBadge@reddit

There’s a good movie in there. I thought the Rey and Kylo parts were the best. It basically went down hill right away with the can’t hear you bit. Then Rose showed up. Honestly the worst character. Her sister that died right away was a better character. And then the casino waste of time. It’s funny that leia goes away and everyone is fighting to be the biggest moron on the ship

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Ecstatic-Compote-595@reddit

Brick was a good movie

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necronformist@reddit

It's been nine fucking years you bunch of manchildren move on

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JamesHenry627@reddit

Might be an original opinion but I didn't find too much to hate about this movie, aside from the dumbass Pokemon plot. It wasn't the worst sequel nor is it a bad movie, it's like B grade and had some genuinely interesting ideas that might've benefitted from a fully fleshed out trilogy plan.

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downvoteaway_idgaf7@reddit

I'd call the new Maul series a very nice bounce back. Of course, almost anything Dave touches is gold

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SipoteQuixote@reddit

Saw what the fanbase had become and said "I have to implode it from within..."

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TectonicTechnomancer@reddit

#ReleaseTheJohnsonCut

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