Why have I always felt deeply connected to British/English values?
Posted by Addy_Goodman@reddit | AskABrit | View on Reddit | 211 comments
Ever since childhood, I have felt a deep connection to English and British values, as if they were an intrinsic part of me. I deeply admire English manners, etiquette, politeness, and compassion. The calmness in the culture of saying “please,” “thank you,” and treating others with courtesy, regardless of status, has always deeply inspired me. Historical aristocracy and the traditions of nobility, honour, formal conduct, refined speech, old estates, academic excellence, and the deep respect for heritage and institutions.
My natural preferences from food to clothing have always leaned toward "English". I walk, talk, eat and sleep in English. People around me have often criticised me for adopting what they call “outsider values” or for not being patriotic enough. However, I never believed in pretending to embrace values that did not feel natural to me.
Although I come from a Commonwealth nation and the English left nearly a century ago, with little trace of them, I still feel a strong and natural connection to Britain, almost as if I belonged there in another life. I may not have a natural British accent, but I am actively learning and improving it. I watch British shows like downtown abbey, Outlander, peaky blinders etc to understand "Brits culture".
One of my greatest aspirations is not only to study in England, but also to truly experience Great Britain in its traditions, academic culture, countryside, literature, architecture, history, and way of life. So, I would love your opinion on how to fulfil my wish .
ExcitingWinter1800@reddit
...the concept of "British values" is highly contested. Can I suggest that you maybe you should view these as your own values and give yourself some credit instead of buying into the propaganda?
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Elaborate please?
No_Room_3932@reddit
Stop watching period dramas to find out about British culture. They’ll tell you nothing about today’s culture. Half the time they won’t even accurately tell you about the historical culture as they are written with modern sensibilities in mind.
If you come here you’ll find plenty of people don’t say please or thank you. Like everywhere else people can be kind but others can be rude and disrespectful.
“Historical aristocracy and the traditions of nobility, honour, formal conduct, refined speech, old estates, academic excellence, and the deep respect for heritage and institutions.”
You’re living in cloud cuckoo land if you think that is what the UK is like now. I don’t think it ever was.
WellCollector@reddit
There's enough evidence it at least used to be, but these stereotypes applied to modern britain make me laugh (as a mancunian at least).
Elegant-Mission-4470@reddit
This person is so entrenched in TV-based upper class propaganda, it's fascinating how well those shows are doing their job
No_Room_3932@reddit
A lot of viewers of Downton Abbey don’t seem to understand that it portrays the aristocracy in such a good light because it was written by Julian Kitchener-Fellowes aka Baron Fellowes of West Stafford. Who’s wife is the descendant of Lord Kitchener and was a lady-in-waiting to Princess Michael of Kent.
Due-Property-6995@reddit
I didn’t know that either. But I also didn’t think those were the good ole days.
MuhammadAkmed@reddit
yes because he should watch all the kidulthood trilogy and listen drill rap to learn about Britishness.
No_Room_3932@reddit
Yes, because the only entertainment the UK has ever produced is Kidulthood, drill rap and period dramas.
Why did you reply with such a nonsensical response?
Grey_Belkin@reddit
“Historical aristocracy and the traditions of exploitation, abuse, dishonour, prejudice, protectionism, greed exclusion, and a deep disrespect for human life and dignity.
Fixed it for them...
stinkyswife@reddit
The shows you mentioned are all historical and exaggerated, and have little bearing on British culture today. Do you watch contemporary ones too?
The (depleted) aristocracy and establishment are viewed very differently now, and while people are still born into privilege,respect has to be earned - ask the former Prince Andrew.
Manners and courtesy are good traits and surely would benefit all cultures, so I'd just concentrate on that rather than foster romantic notions of crinolines and butlers. But hey, come visit and see for yourself, if you get the chance.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
How can I ask "The prince"? I don't think he's commonly available l and I bet he's busy with Palace duties. I liked your description though
stinkyswife@reddit
'Just ask...' is an expression. It's not to be taken literally in this context. It's a way of presenting an example.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Okay got ya
Sad-Wrap6555@reddit
'the past is a foreign country' that in this case never even existed
its an overblown snow job exported to the colonies back in the day, to sell the natives on the idea that a load of chinless wonders were superior to them and should be obeyed
my honest advice? dont bother
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
So there's no truth to it? Do Historical places of Victorian era no longer exist?
Theo_Cherry@reddit
Yea, the Windrush Generation found that out real quick!
YouSayWotNow@reddit
Brit born and raised. In my 50s. I do NOT think you have a REMOTELY accurate idea of what British culture, values and behaviours really are!!!
You are confusing fictional accounts of historical periods with accurate descriptions of modern-day.
> British shows like downtown abbey, Outlander, peaky blinders etc to understand "Brits culture"
Yeah, NO! Those do not reflect British culture or values! 😂
msmoth@reddit
Outlander being particularly egregious here!
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Why ? I think it tesonates with many people because it beautifully showcases parts of Britain and especially Anglo-Scotish traditions, The landscapes, Highland traditions, historical conflicts, castles and sense of heritage.
phoebean93@reddit
I've thought about this quite a lot, and if I were to recommend TV viewing for getting a decent understanding of our culture, my first choice would be Gogglebox. Also considering it's an American produced show, Ted Lasso does a good job as well.
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
Next you’ll be telling us that Yanks don’t have duels at high noon against outlaws
BambiTheInsane@reddit
Where ya from brother? Canada? Australia? India?
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
India
phoebean93@reddit
Our ancestors treated your ancestors so abhorrently that (as I'm sure you know better than me), India is still affected by the actions of the British in past centuries. The same people you admire, the aristocracy, are the ones who literally violently looted half the world. You can see the beauty in this country and its history, but the ugly side can't be forgotten or ignored.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Yes I understand that and that past horor still affect us but, I just have a natural fondness that I can't erase. I grew up watching English shows and felt one of them.
Miffy_The_Rabbit@reddit
I would recommend you visit for a few weeks if you haven't already. It sounds like you see the very curated view of England we like to portay, but you might find that the actual experience is very different.
We'd love to have you come, just want you to be sure of what you are getting yourself into before you make any big changes.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I will definitely visit the majestic places of England someday and form my own opinion then. I’m currently a student, so I can’t afford to travel right now, but hopefully in the near future I’ll make a trip there and make lots of friends along the way.
Curious_Reference408@reddit
May I suggest some of our wonderful smaller towns like Crewe, Stoke on Trent, Doncaster and Scunthorpe?
Due-Property-6995@reddit
And Luton! Don’t forget Luton, just outside of London.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Yes please
selfawareusername@reddit
I mean if you want to study here you can. You just apply for a place (but not being from the UK it may be v expensive though there are some commonwealth schemes though you would have to look and it depends on the uni)
Otherwise just jump on a plane but I feel you may be disappointed. If you want that sort of experience you're describing then visit Oxford or Cambridge maybe the nice parts of London or Edinburgh. Go to the lake district for a more picturesque part
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thanks, mate! I know it would be incredibly expensive, so I’m thinking of pursuing my undergraduate studies here first and then completing my master’s degree there. Law is my major, and I hope that one day I’ll get the opportunity to work at one of the UK’s prestigious Magic Circle law firms. I know the journey will be tough, but I’m determined to make it happen.
selfawareusername@reddit
You'll have to pass some qualifications here to practice. Don't worry if you can't get a prestigious one straight off I know a few guys in law and there are lots of fields that you might be surprised interest you. My mate works in contract law (between two firms merging stuff like that) he finds that really interesting.
Antway good luck
Sophie_Blitz_123@reddit
Completely unnecessary downvotes on this. Come on guys.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
What you have here is good old fetish. In the old meaning, not whips and chains. You've created this beautiful creature you worship called 'England' that none of us but you recognise and popped her on a pedestal to mentally wank over.
In the same vein as Western youth fetishise Japanese life, or gorja the Romani vardos, you've taken a hyper stylised often incorrectly presented or badly researched version as 'True'. Some of it - manners etc - is basic human decency, so you know, hold on to that. As for the rest, do some proper research, some other comments have been already helpful, or book a visit to hit some highlights of British / English life-and for heavens sake work out which one, they are NOT interchangeable. You'll get shot at, but not with ye olde pistol.
I suggest a robust tour of the wilds of Bristol - St Paul's is charming - and itd nightlife- Stokes Croft on a weekend is an education in enunciation for sure. After that who knows. Local fishing villages in Cornwall with minimal access to chain shops and supermarkets, they are wonderful, beautiful and wild. Outer London or similar where the accents are multiform and free parties grow like mushrooms (also available). Northern soul in the upcountry, and mid seams. Birmingham has an accent, go from there ..... they change quickly and fluidly as do the names for a bread bun. You'll get called 'pet', dont take it personally..
Odd-Quail01@reddit
Teaboo
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thanks for adding a new word to my dictionary
Odd-Quail01@reddit
It's really quite sweet
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thank you but I'm not that obsesseddd. I just have a certain affinity
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I know I'm not generalising. I just look towards more positive side. From the legacy and the grace of the Victorian era to landmarks like , every part of it reflects centuries of history and cultural depth. I will surely take your recommendation
Orange_Codex@reddit
Everything you describe exists, but an everyday Brit needs to go well out of their way to find it.
ExternalAttitude6559@reddit
I'm Bristolian. Two Irish Grandparents (one of each flavour), one Gypsy Grandparent, Mum brought up in Brum (with the accent to match). Brother lived in Japan for years (and found it bewildering at times), I spent the best part of two decades in Scandinavia - another place that gets heavily fetishized. I agree with everything you've written, especially the fetishization of people and places. It's as much reality as Scooby Doo represents Police procedure.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Thankyou! I write from a similar place - Welsh on dad's side, Rom / heinz 57 on mams, grew up between rural Somerset and Wales, lived in a free house in Bristol amongst other adventures. That Brum accent though, once you hear it you love or hate it , never really ran into it until Uni. Its a real shock to the tourists system. Can only hope your in the 'love it' camp!
So much of my life and experience gets met with the wide eyed oooh of 'that must have been exciting / thats so cooool ' response. Its exhausting isn't it, really annoys me when I see it in the wild!
Scandinavia looks beautiful BTW, I hope you enjoyed your time there. Im perfectly content to admire from afar and plan trips.
ExternalAttitude6559@reddit
I was born in 1969, grew up around S Bristol & Somerset, and learnt how to camouflage at an early age, thanks to so many British people having, how shall we say, attitudes about certain ethnicities (especially during the Troubles). The midwife who delivered me was Jamaican, married to an Irishman with a Jewish surname (and no idea how he got it), and the town I grew up in could only get Welsh TV until the mid 1980s. As for accents, I grew up surrounded by them & don't judge people because of them - I try to to find connections rather than prejudge people. I've got a fairly mild Bristol / N Somerset accent, look like a Farmer (I work with trees) and people - especially tourists - regularly get confused when they find out I'm fluent in three and a half languages other than English. Swedes think I'm Swedish, Norwegians think I'm a Swede with an impressive Norwegian vocabulary, & Germans can't figure out where the hell I'm from.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Oh I love accents aa a rule, its just a surprise when youve come from a place pretty standard and all of a sudden youve got a million different voices all at once! I have ASD so the huge range just took some processing at first, the different sounds etc I had to tell my ear weren't wrong pronunciations just different. Now its amazing.
Im fairly RP bland until im drinking or raging, then the Welsh really comes through. It amuses friends no end.
MJsThriller@reddit
Indian?
Due-Property-6995@reddit
That was my thought too and had been confirmed.
ExternalAttitude6559@reddit
What you're describing is, and always has been pure fantasy. That you've incorporated this fantasy into your life just makes you a dedicated cosplayer, no different than somebody who dresses up as a Superhero and starts thinking they are that superhero. Most of the attributes you claim as 'British / English' only ever applied to the upper classes & nobility anyway, and I hate to break it to you, but they are - and always have been - just as likely to break the rules of decency and honour than adhere to them. As for 'Academic Excellence', again, I hate to break it to you, but the upper classes are renowned for being thick as shit. Centuries of inbreeding will do that to you.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I don’t really understand why everyone's saying this. I’ve always looked up to Britain and admired many aspects of the country. For countless students around the world, institutions like University of Oxford and University of Cambridge represent excellence, history, and opportunity. Dreaming of studying there is not some “fantasy” but is a genuine ambition shared by people globally. While I understand your concern about this culture being limited to "Upper class", I just like to look towards various opportunities, exposure and progress I'll get to be part of this nation.
ExternalAttitude6559@reddit
I hope you've worked this out by the responses to your post, but it's pretty insulting to be told what your culture is, especially when it's an incredibly inaccurate view of your life & history. Especially when you seem to think British & English are interchangeable. They're not, no matter how many English people seem to think they are. You're more than welcome to study at Oxbridge, but it's nothing like Inspector Morse, and never was, especially not for Foreign Students (and I know people who were foreign students there in the Morse era).
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I apologise if I offended your view point. I just shared what I've seen and understood through my view point. I know being an foreign student will not be easy but I won't let them stop me from pursuing my interests
Due-Property-6995@reddit
No, you didn’t insult their “view point” but their culture. That’s a different.
ExternalAttitude6559@reddit
One of my friends described 'my' culture (ie Bristolians of a certain age) pretty accurately; you go to the Pub with three mates. One supports Rovers, one supports City. One is Gay. Two are women. One is mixed race. One is teetotal, one is drinking rough cider, another is drinking Irish Whiskey, one smokes industrial quantities of weed. One is Half Welsh, one is Half West Indian, one was born abroad and one has dual nationality. One went to Private School. One is wearing pinstripes, one is wearing builder's work clothes. At least one has a strong regional accent from outside the area. And the guy in the Pinstripes is just as likely to be the weed smoking, gay, half-Welsh person as the builder is to be the Private School educated Irish Citizen drinking rough cider.
Curious_Reference408@reddit
Friendo, if you're not born into that world you'll never be part of it. Even the British middle classes can't become part of the upper classes/aristocracy. You really are operating on a level of almost worrying delusion. The England/Britain you think exists is a total fantasy.
strawberriesrpurple@reddit
it’s great that you have such a high aspiring dream.
you’re right, Oxbridge are prestigious and historic institutions and they definitively produce great research. some of their graduates have gone to do great things, and you could be one of them.
but you need to make an informed decision before committing hundreds of thousands of pounds to 2 years of education. i’m with you, an oxbridge degree would be great for you.
but, firstly, can you afford it? rent will average at maybe £20k yearly, maybe around £60k for tuition and college fee. add another £1000-£3000 for transport yearly, food and bills another \~£900 yearly if you’re very lucky. that’s a lot of money, and there’s no guarantee you’ll get a job. sure, oxbridge is a ‘target university’, but you also need a competitive degree and a high average, and previous work experience to get a job. the job market is extremely competitive for graduates, and everyone you’re competing with on a shortlist has also earned a good degree from a good university with good grades. a lot of the graduate schemes you apply for already have 5 other graduates lined up before you because they did their internship there and they were promised a job upon graduation. every british, and many many European nationals will be hired before you, because it’s easier and cheaper for the employer to hire someone who has the right to work in the UK. this is the financial side. besides, maybe you won’t even like what they teach or how they teach. maybe you’ll find oxbridge too stressful, or the people there just won’t be your crowd. maybe go on an open day to get an actual feel of it.
secondly, if you want to experience british culture, come here, but don’t just visit London. go to the north of england (yorkshire), visit scotland and the south. go on a pub crawl. make some friends at the pub, be loud, share some cigarettes, drink beer, do a pub quizz, go to a chippy after you swam in the sea — experience the constantly cold water and the pebble beaches. sniff the sea and the weed that’s everywhere you go. love a queue, go to a big barbecue and enjoy the nature, because there’s so much to see. although you think everyone here is calm and poised and well mannered, it’s really not how it is. people are pretty direct and they aren’t afraid of expressing themselves, although not inconsiderate of others. there are strong political opinions on each side (left/right) of the spectrum, and i think you should be prepared for that. people are generally friendly and helpful, and you’ll get smiles on the street. also, don’t expect to meet only academics here. education levels and quality of life vary a lot in the uk. it would be education for you to have a look at council estates. there’s also british documentaries about social housing and some true crime stuff on Netflix.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thank you for your thoughtful comment. I genuinely appreciate the advice and perspective you shared about studying and living in the UK. I know I’m not currently in a financial position to afford studying at big universities because I come from a middle-class family where money is always an important concern. However, through hard work and by cracking a competitive exam, I was selected for a government-backed law college
My goal is to keep improving myself academically and professionally. I want to participate in MUNs, debates, and moot court competitions, hopefully even in the UK someday, and build myself into someone capable of working in diplomacy or international law. Also, I wish to be a parliamentarian.
I also love to understand british culture and it's relevance in a globalised world. The history, literature, academic traditions, public discussions, and social diversity are part of what attracts me.
My parents told me that if I truly want to pursue my master’s degree in the UK in the future, they would support me as much as they can. So for now, I’m focusing on working hard and building a strong future step by step. I will keep pursue learning "British English" Academically side by side my UG degree.
spidertattootim@reddit
If you struggle to understand what people are explaining to you in their comments, you shouldn't be too hopeful about getting into Oxford or Cambridge.
No_Room_3932@reddit
There’s a difference in wanting to study at Oxford or Cambridge and what you wrote. Yes, studying there could be achievable and they are world renowned universities. But the bits about everybody is polite and always treat other people with courtesy is not true. We are like any other nation - some people are nice and some are not. Some people do speak in a posh accent and may use formal English but most people have different accents and use incorrect grammar and slang.
The idea that the aristocracy (now and in the past) treat everyone with respect despite their social status is rubbish. But as a Downton Abbey fan I can see why you might think that. Not everyone here is a fan of or respects the aristocracy or the royal family. There’s many who would do away with them and there always have been.
It’s like someone who is into reading novels or watching shows about Samurais and feudal Japan and thinking that is what modern day Japan is like.
halfxdreaminq@reddit
It can be charming in the UK. However, think deeply and carefully about the relationship between your commonwealth nation and Britain. Consider what the aristocracy and traditions of nobility, old estates and refined speech represent.
Orange_Codex@reddit
Don't forget the true hallmarks of nobility: Isle of Man residence and social cocaine.
cxmari@reddit
You seem to have a deep admiration of the upper classes in the UK, rather than the actual British way of life or in fact actual modern British culture. I have/had deep love for British history growing up and pursued it academically in my home country. I ended up here purely by chance after meeting the love of my life whilst living in Singapore (who happened to be English) and we now live a very normal, very working class life in the Midlands. You definitely should visit and probably watch the shows people have been recommending here for a more “accurate” view of what modern British culture is. Your thoughts and opinion might change about the values you think are prevalent here, but you can easily make peace with it and crack on. Wishing you the best!
Odd-Quail01@reddit
I like you. Thanks for being nice to the teaboo teenager. The enthusiasm is adorable and shouldn't be stomped on too hard. For my part it's well-meant.
cxmari@reddit
Thank you! Thats very sweet. I remember being that age and thinking exactly like that. We would all benefit from being kinder to young people in their formative years for sure ☺️
sfxmua420@reddit
That tend to happen when you romanticise something to the extent I believe you might have.
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
I had a friend with a wife like you. She was a massive Teaboo. Her understanding of Britain and British culture all came from fiction and celebrities. The learning curve was…steep.
phoebean93@reddit
Omg Teaboo
spynie55@reddit
We're never as good (or as bad) as people think on the internet.
Much-Beyond2@reddit
Have you actually visited..? there's something very 'Paris syndrome' about this and I fear you may be disappointed when you find that the reality is not the same as cherry-picked cultural content.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I understand online aesthetics can be different but my admiration for the UK is not based only on “cherry-picked” content. There are even courses specifically designed for foreigners to study English culture, history, etiquette, and literature, which shows how deeply influential that heritage remains worldwide. The legacy alone shaped global literature and language. Many influencers and places from the UK still showcase traces of the Victorian lifestyle.
Curious_Reference408@reddit
Bless you. I can guarantee those courses won't resemble anything a real Brit would recognise
TheWelshPanda@reddit
I bet they dont show you videos of a 24 hour ASDA after 2am. The witching hour.
Those courses are also heavily curated - Ive a friend whose job is to deliver them and has worked globally. We've laughed at the content. Yes We've a rich history of art, literature and language but so has many other, earlier places. Research. English is literally a thief of a language, as the late great Pratchett stated, amalgamated from Latin, aramaic, various Celtic dialects and even non romance roots such as the Indo-Hungarian languages. We are influenced BY the world, we stole our nations favourite drink for heavens sake, from rain soaked terraces of the far East. There was a whole shipping company!
Etiquette? Unless you are inhabiting a certain echelon of society, stop it. Queuing, tube riding etc is more needed. I went to a public school on scholarship and was exposed to much of this and it was a total fiction then, 20 years ago, as to needing it in real life. The richest ate chips on their knees in leaking rooms. The Victorian lifestyle as you charmingly allude to is more of this fetishisation of a lifestyle that doesn't exist and to a huge extent, never did. The influencers are selling you their lives, it has to look pretty for the 45 seconds its kn screen.
Dude, read these comments and responses from Real British People. We are actually the life of the place. Also as I said English v British... if you are just looking at 'English' an awful lot of that influential literature you are placing in high regard doesnt count!
SaltyName8341@reddit
What! Beer isn't from Asia!
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Goddammit, Beer again! I charge you to a duel at sun up, I need a second!
sips tea
SaltyName8341@reddit
Can we do sundown I'm crap at getting up in the morning
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Its that Beer. Try a tea.
But yes, suits me better, it's around Gin time..
SaltyName8341@reddit
It's a date
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I didn't get what "24 Hours ASDA" means. I understand that those sentences are curated but doesn't mean they're wrong.Example of video. You're unnecessarily being pessimistic. Every language in this world is influenced from one another.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Thats a great video for nuances but is about English language in its current form and usage so not really what we were talking about. We call this style of thing 'dad jokes'.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Oh the 24 hour ASDA is an amazing place... its the equivalent of Walmart in America. Things like that statement, 24 hour ASDA, are more in line with current culture tbh.
And no. Not every language. Taproot languages exist, that have no prior seeding. Linguistics defines them in various studies. And its a proven fact the English language is a notorious bastard of a beast with stolen bits from everywhere, way back to the Romans wandering over. We even had 3 or 4 'English languages' or syntaxes/dialects at several points depending on class, locale, etc. Archaeology and Prehistoric Britain degree ;) with a side in Anthropology Studies, this was literally my jam, prior to leaving the profession and mid PHD due to a total lack of funding.
And I will tell my friend who delivered these courses and helped curriculum plan several that we were unnecessarily pessimistic. This was at the British School, amongst others. They absolutely catered to the audience I'm afraid.
AliceMorgon@reddit
Come visit me in the North of Ireland, that’ll take the lustre off PDQ
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thanks for inviting me. I'm currently a student and not financially capable for affording but soon in future I'll visit the places I've always wanted.
Due-Property-6995@reddit
Yeah that sounds like you want to be a vampire because you read the twilight saga. Maybe live in England for a few years (and not just in a college) and get the real England.
Odd-Quail01@reddit
How do you feel about flat roofed pubs?
corobo@reddit
Lived here my entire life and I've never been taught these things lol.. well, literature a bit if you limit it to the 3 books in the curriculum. History too if you are ok with us only ever being the good guys.
I think you're limiting yourself to upper class Britain a bit too much mate, that's so far away from real life for anyone without generational wealth you might as well be looking forward to going to Hogwarts
Glittering_Win_5085@reddit
Peterborough Syndrome
imma2lils@reddit
🤣
Omg_stop@reddit
15 minutes on a UK train, problem solved.
Aubrey-Grey@reddit
Paris Syndrome is right up the with Foreign Language Syndrome for me in terms of being absolutely fascinating. Like I just got bog standard bi-polar but there are people out there that can’t compute Paris? Wild.
Much-Beyond2@reddit
I get it.. I like visiting interesting places all over the world but even I get caught in the expectation vs. reality trap, truth is we shouldn't idealise anything and most places around the world are just people getting on with their lives with all the messiness and mundanity that involves. Nowhere is magic. Imagine being told all your life that something is X, you go on a once-in-a-lifetime trip only to find out it's Y.. not only that, the Y-ness of the place assaults all your senses and there's no way to avoid it.
Aubrey-Grey@reddit
Yeah I guess, but I’ve never understood people romanticising places anyway. Like yeah there are expectations of places but the notion there is magic in the air is weird to me. I guess because I live in London and have travelled Europe so much it’s more of a “yeah that’s a real place” to me? I guess it’s an escapism thing huh, like the idea that there is some perfect place in the world that can take them away from their bs for a week. Then they find out that actually we got our own bs going on.
Funk5oulBrother@reddit
Everyone imagines the English countryside to look like the Cotswolds, when in reality it’s Ashford, Kent.
According-Course1894@reddit
I know why I do, recently found out I have Northwest England dna... Manchester area in particular
Top-Locksmith-9168@reddit
Don't be put off by all these negative, bitter posts. If you feel you have an affinity with the UK, come and see for yourself. Like any other country, we have our issues and problems, but this is generally a good place to live, and yes we do have amazing historic places, and our 'old' culture is fascinating. Bear in mind though, that I notwithstanding our history, good or bad, this is 21st century Britain, and probably won't be quite what you expect. Come and see for yourself, and don't listen to these miserable whiners. It's a beautiful country.
Icy_Pear1694@reddit
My sweet summer child, don't go to Middlesbrough it will ruin you.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Why would I join a football club?
Icy_Pear1694@reddit
If you're up for it I reckon you'd have a chance at centre back for them.
mrshakeshaft@reddit
Jesus. I think you have been watching too much tv. Also how does one sleep in English?
stinkyswife@reddit
One apologises every time one farts or hogs the quilt. One has a thermos of tea at one's side in case one is awakened by owls hooting or foxes screaming, the little blighters. One wears blue and white striped, or burgundy pyjamas - pressed, naturally.
strawberriesrpurple@reddit
don’t forget the hot water bottle!
Responsible_Bird3384@reddit
I’d fight you for that hot water bottle!
BigBunneh@reddit
Someone's hacked my Ring system!
Away-Parsnip-3785@reddit
[Hwaeting intensifies]
corobo@reddit
Pinkie out
Fluffy_Ad2274@reddit
Unfortunately, this is a very outdated view of Britain, as looking on any of the UK subs will confirm. Of course, Reddit is not a good representation of the nation (thankfully, in many cases)but the Britain you describe is largely now found in the pages of pre-1950s novels and nostalgia, not reality.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Well I kinda knew that my perception is outdated but still I thought there might be places which would cater my view.
Due-Property-6995@reddit
Yes, the shows you watch are that place. I live in Cambridge and even we don’t have that.
Fluffy_Ad2274@reddit
Sorry to disappoint - you may find tiny pockets like this in specific contracts and locations, but unfortunately, it's neither common nor representative.
Pcful_Citizen@reddit
Whilst it is a bit of a romantic view of the homeland don’t listen to the miserable sods in the comment section. If you’re enjoying engaging in this aspect of the English culture then keep doing you. People here just want to drag you down to their level.
thelilistchode@reddit
I know it’s all crabs in a bucket on this post.
Shackled-Zombie@reddit
Honestly, I would read that back to yourself and make personality adjustments as necessary.
MJsThriller@reddit
Come and visit us in Methil for a wee holiday
Due-Property-6995@reddit
But you know that none of the films you mention are actual British culture? Also most of British food is awful. Have you been the England for an extended period of time? It feels like you are swooning over a long lost image of what it means to be British or movie -English.
TrueMog@reddit
My grandparents came from a Commonwealth country and my grandfather was huge Anglophile as well. He used to quote poetry and Shakespeare.
However, I think it’s important to understand that you cannot truly understand a culture from outside. All media have a bias to it. That doesn’t mean you can’t learn about it by visiting! You may find you actually dislike modern British culture!
It would definitely be a fun experience to study abroad. That would be a good way to experience it and intricate for a time!
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Thank you for your postive comment. I am just in awe of rich literature, language and etiquette of Britain. You are lucky you're already living that life. I also love to quote poetry but no one gets it. BTW- thanks for adding a new word "Anglophile" to my dictionary
TrueMog@reddit
No problem and I hope that you will get the opportunity to visit one day!
However, I would recommend not putting Britishness on a pedestal. in real life, nothing is as straightforward as it is appears from the outside. You may have heard that cultural differences are getting more divisive here!
The way I see it, I LITERALLY wouldn’t exist without British history being what it is for better or for worse so I try to see both sides in that regard.
However, I do think my home country has a lot of great things going for it (especially historical accomplishments such as the NHS). There are also a lot of not so great things.
I love my dear departed grandfather, but because he wanted to distance himself from his own heritage. He straight up lied to everyone about what his mother’s name was. He told everyone that it was a traditional English name rather than one from his own country (he was from a Christian family so he WAS born with an English name himself so it wasn’t a crazy reach that she may have had an English name …but she actually didn’t!)
We only found this out when we started talking in depth with extended family when we were establishing a family tree and a family history.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I know divisive attitudes are taking alot these days but i still hope that it isn't the attitude of majority. I really enjoy your grandfather's story and I feel same enthusiasm as him. I understand that one shouldn't completely uproot themselves of their roots but I guess he must've thought of England as some mythical place anf admiration. Could you tell me which nation he was from?
Fluff95@reddit
We all know you're Chris Eubank
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I don't know who that is. I'm just a normal student from a commonwealth nation with deep admiration to Britain
Fluff95@reddit
Google him, he's fantastic
ReySpacefighter@reddit
None of the things you're talking about reflect what life is actually like here for normal people.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Idk mate! I naturally feel more closer to the lifestyle described through novels. Ex- Pride and Prejudice
TheWelshPanda@reddit
I personally feel EXTREMELY close to wearing a ballgown a attending a ball every weekend, taking afternoon tea with fresh scones daily and having someone to undress and redress me.
The nearest I got is a Corgi who steals my socks off my very feet at the end of the day in her haste to run off with them.
I also feel very close to a lifestyle including a half naked rugby player at all times, but alas, no joy. The Welsh girl wants, what the Welsh girl wants, her tinder/bumble profile says 'no matches in 15 miles'.
You see the point I'm making, right? Imagined life v real life? Etc?
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Yeah I understood Sorry! 😔 I just admire and look towards the postive side. I love English language, History and literature and it adds to my fascination. BTW how does it feel to be welsh? I've always been intested in folkore and I've heard about King Arthur.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Im sure he was a lovely lad like, but hes spread thin across the Isles these days.
How does it feel to be Welsh? Much the same as it feels to have two arms . Its who I am not a mythical wellspring of heroic force. If you want to dig into the politics of it all, not the right thread as its a minefield. Literally. Quite like dragons, I do own a Corgi. She is firey.
You seem young from your comments of not having done undergraduate etc yet, so hopefully a lot of wild experiences are coming your way in life. Britain the UK, as a whole is a beautiful and storied place. But please stop 'looking to the positive side' as you are dressing this up as. You've gathered it doesnt go over well nor is it accurate, perhaps broaden the horizons before trying for law practice here. You'll represent huge swathes of human life and you'll have an almighty shock otherwise!
Carry on enjoying the literature and art but update it. Read books like Shuggie Bain, A Little Life, One Day, Slow Horses, Scuttlers Cove - a wide range of genres there. Modern art is thriving, edgy, grimy, beautiful and yes some very traditional still. I am a writer of Folk horror, so 'folklore' is a huuuge subject, but there are amazing things influences by it out there. Watch Small Prophets a recent BBC programme for instance. At heart we are still quite a pagan place in patches, its fun to find them out.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Woah I literally thought of you as mysical being lol. Thanks I'll quickly look for all the stuff you mentioned. I'm so excited to learn about these genre. Wow you're a writer it seems so cool. I'd like to read your works. I'll watch the Small prophets as I'd like to deep dive into the pockets you mentioned
Dr_Havotnicus@reddit
Most people in the UK aren't going to balls or fretting about succession and inheritance
imma2lils@reddit
This made me giggle. I'm just trying to survive the CoL crisis. 🤣 No time or money for balls, unfortunately.
Odd-Quail01@reddit
Three hundred years ago in a fictional family where they were all too rich to work.
Jane Austen was a great observer, we love her writings, but it's not reflecting how people live in the here and now.
Calling people you don't know 'mate' is not something we tend to do unless we're employing passive aggression.
I wish you good luck and hope the disappointment isn't too much of a bump when reality does not match your mental image.
Moron-with-a-drill@reddit
What are "British Values"?!
AkihabaraWasteland@reddit
This is some outstanding Russian trolling.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I'm not trolling. I don't understand why everyone's so pessimistic here
AkihabaraWasteland@reddit
The second sentence in itself is a brilliant example of not understanding British culture.
IncomeFew624@reddit
You use English and British interchangeably, a key part of English culture.
There is no 'British' accent.
English is not the only language used in 'Britain'.
Sounds to me like you'd likely disappointed if you visited, England is not an amusement park, it's a real, often gritty place.
prustage@reddit
I am strongly connected to those values but I think it is a conceit to regard them as uniquely "British". They are common to many civilized countries
SimpleManc88@reddit
Sorry everyone is shitting on your dreams. Some Brits have this weird low self-esteem, believing we’re the worst nation on earth - which couldn’t be further from the truth.
Hopefully you’ll visit someday. Although we have our problems, and shitty people (where doesn’t?), Britain is a beautiful place geographically, full of lovely and kind people, a rich and cultured history, and plenty of stuff to see and do.
See you soon 🇬🇧
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
I understand that times have changed, and perhaps I may hold an idealised or romanticised perception of Britain and its culture. Yet, despite that, a part of me still wants to believe in those values and traditions that I have admired since childhood.
ITAW-Techie@reddit
You're allowed to believe in those values, they are good values to hold. Just don't be surprised if you ever visit and find the majority of the country doesn't agree with you.
MolassesInevitable53@reddit
Which traditions are you thinking of?
stinkyswife@reddit
I don't want you to give up on your dreams. This country does have a lot to offer. I just want you to be more relistic, or you're heading for disappointment.
Theo_Cherry@reddit
This post reeks of romanticism.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
Why can’t I appreciate or romanticize something that has positively influenced me and have had a massive impact on literature, education, science, philosophy, and law.
ITAW-Techie@reddit
Because you are appreciating and romanticising a fictional idea. Unfortunately your idea of Britain is unrealistic and incorrect in a number of ways, it's at a minimum going to be a major disappointment for you if you come here with your current ideas of British culture.
mahki25942@reddit
Because that is the beauty of our empire
stewpman@reddit
There is nothing wrong with having a appreciation for another country. Our ancestors went to 63 to 65 countries thats how many celebrate independence from us ,we are bound to leave so influence sides from all the bad bit. It also depends what you look for mate as brits we all have our own history I am english and the scotish, welsh and irish all have their own customs and alot to take in . We are not posh though mate so you maybe heart broken when you get here. Also I was born in Plymouth and raised in Manchester we all have our own accent and slang words . If you come and can speak well enough you will do fine but dont concentrate on it mate . We all butcher our own language I miss pronounce words because my accent struggles with words like school and pool. I hope you get here one day and enjoy you time its a bit rough though think big council estate not Buckingham Palace 😂
neo4025@reddit
Loved reading that, OP. Thank you. I left the UK just over four years ago. After only two years, I very quickly realised how much of the UK I missed. You brought up a lot of them. I’ve now been back two years and I have never been happier. You do get self hating brits. Like most countries I’m sure. But it’s a great place, that I will never make the same mistake of, leaving again. I hope you can come here one day.
Good_Lettuce_2690@reddit
"English manners, etiquette, politeness, and compassion" - I guess you've not visited the UK in recent years? It's all "I'm alight jack", flag shaggers and white van man now.
>I watch British shows like downtown abbey, Outlander, peaky blinders etc to understand "Brits culture".
You should be watching Peep Show instead.
imma2lils@reddit
Or Shameless 🤣
Odd-Quail01@reddit
The Royle Family
Good_Lettuce_2690@reddit
Yeah, far more representative of the real England. Or This is England.
spidertattootim@reddit
I love how automatically so many of us point to This Is England and Peep Show as touchstones of real British culture
Good_Lettuce_2690@reddit
Certainly are compared to Downton.
knotatwist@reddit
Yeah! My recommendations would be:
Shameless, Skins, 2 pints of lager and a packet of crisps, this country, Inbetweeners, outnumbered and the royle family
Probably also Coronation Street and EastEnders
libelible@reddit
“treating others with courtesy, regardless of status” please, the UK is a very classist country. The way people treat you changes totally depending on the job you do.
IkeTurn@reddit
If you come over, never ever go to a pub called "The Slaughtered Lamb" .
Khuros@reddit
Watch Come Dine with Me and update us after
TheWelshPanda@reddit
The whisk episode, angry man erupts at finale episode and the food delivery through the window episode are all EXCELLENT starting bricks.
No_Room_3932@reddit
Yes, because the only entertainment the UK has ever produced is Kidulthood, drill rap and period dramas.
Why did you reply with such a nonsensical response?
Illustrious-Divide95@reddit
I think that most of "British values" are the same as anyone from a democratic, broadly tolerant society.
I believe in human morality and freedoms and don't believe they are the preserve of one nation
spidertattootim@reddit
I've been arguing on FB with some Reform bellend the last few days about how Britain supposedly gifted democracy to the world and ended slavery, and that that's what should be taught in schools instead of the 'revisionist woke version' of British history
Illustrious-Divide95@reddit
That's Reform people for you.
Everyone's history has good and bad in it. If we ignore everything bad we've done over the years, you end up with deluded people who think we're infallible and somehow the chosen ones. (See: Maga)
To be honest I've seen what my teenage daughter is studying at school and it hardly touches on anything controversial about British history. It's all quite broad and generic
misskittygirl13@reddit
Watch The Young Ones for some British culture.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Add in The Thick of It for language and literature appreciation!
Fantastic-Speech-438@reddit
Don't forget Bottom too. And the Viz comic.
TheWelshPanda@reddit
Spaced, Skins and Shameless. Three good 'S' for the list!
Upbeat_Branch_4231@reddit
Also Dinner Ladies, The Good Life, Yes Minister, Grange Hill, Brookside, Eastenders.....
strawberriesrpurple@reddit
i completely forgot about yes monster and Eastenders. thank you for reminding me!!!!
Fred_Blogs_2020@reddit
Peepshow and The Office
strawberriesrpurple@reddit
there’s so many good shows and films OP could watch to get a better sense of the culture.
some pretty good satire & humour in Cunk on Britain, Monty Python. i really loved Blackladder growing up. the Inbetweeners was very good as well.
Shameless and Peep Show are pretty realistic, and funny.
there are some good, more thrillers shows that came out recently as well. Broadchurch and Adolescence. There’s also Marcella which, although not my cup of tea, portrays a pretty gritty side of London. Trainspotting is heavy but i definitely think is worth watching.
Other good films are This is England, Misfits, The Selfish Giant, and Three Flavours Cornetto Trilogy. a bit on the dramatic side: I, Daniel Blake and Sorry We Missed You.
Mikon_Youji@reddit
Watching downtown abbey and the like is going to tell you nothing about modern British cuture.
Pristine-Ad6064@reddit
No such thing as British values, Scottish, Welsh, Irish and English values yes but we are all different and hold very different values
ALittleNightMusing@reddit
Where are you from? That context might help explain some of the differences/qualities you've focused on here.
Lloytron@reddit
These are all stereotypes. Not inaccurate, but this is a thin slice of 'British' culture and values.
What you are hinting at here is the traditional British value of fair play. I think most decent people from across the world agree with that too so its easy to associate with. But there is a lot more to us than this, better and worse. And not everyone here agrees :D
Gingers_got_no_soul@reddit
Ok now watch Skins, Trainspotting, Fishbowl, and Aftersun
MisabelWearsNikes@reddit
What you're describing doesn't exist anymore & only in the shows that you watch, which are fictional. There are shows that are more realistic depictions of modern Britain but I doubt they will live up to your romanticised expectations of life here.
FineStranger4021@reddit
You may find the reality does not live up to expectations.
MisabelWearsNikes@reddit
May is an understatement....
spidertattootim@reddit
You are describing a stereotype that doesn't exist in reality. You can't actually have a connection to something which isn't real.
Your post makes me think of somebody who loves Star Trek so much that their greatest wish is that they could join Starfleet.
corobo@reddit
I think you care about being British more than I do lmao
St3lla_0nR3dd1t@reddit
Our media used to show an idealistic version of the country and people aspired to it. Now partly through left wing political realism and partly through what is now thought about as clickbait but started out as something dramatic for the big story for the finale of a series or a Christmas special, we have a lot of the bad parts of the country are shown. Not saying this is aspired to, but there is an acceptance of this as normality. It’s hard to find the idea that we are aiming for the old ideals.
Ideals always look better than reality. (Don’t mention the Brexit, I almost mentioned it but I think I got away with it😂🤣)
Magic-Bicycle@reddit
You are in for a shock…
rapidbunny4404@reddit
Ah you mean England of olde
dogsbollocks25@reddit
The England of old for a few hundred families.
coolfunkDJ@reddit
Ermmm, we don’t act like how you’re describing 😬
dogsbollocks25@reddit
3 months in Dagestan? No! 3 months in Luton and you will change your tune!
wildflower12345678@reddit
Its really nothing like what you see in films and read in books. Have you actually visited at all?
Upbeat_Branch_4231@reddit
"I would love your opinion on how to fulfil my wish" Simple. Come visit. Take a hotel or B&B in a rural town or village (NOT London) and mingle with the locals. They will be glad to advise and assist you.
scottyboy70@reddit
Number one tip: learn not to conflate England with Britain.
freebiscuit2002@reddit
Fictional TV shows are not reality.
Have you ever visited? If not, you should.
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
No I haven't. I'm a student rn and I'm not financially capable to afford a visit but I will.
RegularWhiteShark@reddit
It sounds like you don't actually know much about Britain and life here.
parsl@reddit
You’d get a lot from Membership of the National Trust.
As many cream teas in old stable blocks as you could ever want.
Moon_is_wensleydale@reddit
It seems like you’re overly romanticising British culture and way of life. Like you’re trying to cosplay “British”, which is fine, but it’s not real.
MolassesInevitable53@reddit
It sounds like you are cosplaying 'British/English'. You have no idea of the reality of, of diversity of, life in the UK.
-Londoneer-@reddit
We’re an English speaking country (which makes us easy to understand) with shared culture (so not difficult to fall in step with) at a time when difference from your own culture might be a motivating factor.
You might be just as thrilled with the Tajik way of life but simply don’t have exposure to them.
Do be aware of Paris syndrome, we’re just people with the good and bad that there is everywhere.
That being said, we’re generally nice and generally tolerant so you’d be very welcome.
EasternCut8716@reddit
I disagree with everyone.
Well, not really, they are likely right.
But they might not be. Often, people take what they have for granted. This reaction of insisting that there is nothing special about us is, in itself, very British. There are plenty of things that British people take for granted.
The warnings are well meant and decent. But you might love it here.
Junior_Syrup_1036@reddit
AI ???
Addy_Goodman@reddit (OP)
No
unk1ndm4g1c14n1@reddit
Bro this is like all those American YouTubers going to China and Japan
No_Bag_9911@reddit
For some more cultural enrichment, watch The Inbetweeners
Adept_Strategy_9545@reddit
I’ll offer a slightly different perspective - being an American whose family came from England, I grew up so resentful of being held to English standards of manners and conducting myself, while all my peers got away with wildly uncouth American behavior. But now I visit regularly for business, I am glad I was raised in that tradition (even though modern England is significantly less uptight than it is portrayed in our media)
Standard-Spite-6885@reddit
As a non UK citizen living in the UK, I think the idea of British mannerisms is mostly made up by American TV and movies
FishUK_Harp@reddit
You should visit. There's some great cultural heritage here, but it might be worth you seeing the more mundane side of life too. People are generally more courteous and considerate of others compared to much of the world, but standards have notably slipped substantially since the Covid-19 pandemic. Many towns and cities were blighted by the Blitz in WWII and the ill-conceived redevelopment attempts in the decades that followed.
That said, we have some gorgeous (and free) National Parks, a seemingly endless supply of stately homes and castles, a ridiculously rich global cultural output, great and normally free museums, a breadth of fascinating history, some truely fantastic cites (some are beautiful, some are culturally outstanding, and London is unquestionably one of the world's greatest), and thousand and thousands of miles of coastline by virtue of being island - much of it really quite beautiful.
FieldyGB@reddit
Can’t blame you. When it’s good (and yes it still can be) it is the greatest place on earth. I say this as an Englishman who left the UK for nearly a decade for work it made me realise quite how beautiful, energetic, historic yet modern a country we have. Yes the weather can be awful and grey but only country like ours would have the sheer positivity to have the highest proportion of convertible cars in the world! My advice, come visit, spend a weekend in London, then get out and see the countryside, get to the new forest, go to the Isle of Skye, go to the beach on the Jurassic coast, go to the Lake District and go to pubs in all these places and enjoy.
sinnertra@reddit
I'm sorry, this does not sound healthy. You are romanticising the UK far too much (especially being a Commonwealth citizen).
SocieteRoyale@reddit
aren't they just human values? applying the term 'British values' is just government propaganda at this point as though 'foreign types' are all just beastly savages to one another?
Infundibulus@reddit
I suspect you may be disappointed if you come, but if you want to immerse yourself in our history visit National Trust and English Heritage locations.
geesegoosegeesegoose@reddit
Where are you from?
Green-Dragon-14@reddit
To be a true Brit you need to watch cori (coronation street), Doctor who, have a chippy tea on a Friday & call people sweetheart or love.
Gary_Garibaldi@reddit
You could buy a plane ticket and come and visit. We have a lot of cultural sights you could visit to get your fix, old stately homes, grand academic buildings, traditional cafes and ye Olde England to visit
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